Demons and Possessions

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Hello bizarre story, friends.
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today's episode, and as always,
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mind, keep a skeptical ear, but
keep on listening to those facts

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as we take you on our newest
journey, Demons and possession.

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Well, hello, my cohost with the
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How are you, Boo thing.
You look absolutely terrifying.

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Thank you.
My if you're watching online,

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I'm zip a face.
Yeah, yeah, and you are fucking

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adorable as Mr. Edwards
Scissorhands.

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Look at that face.
Little Boo Boo I this is so

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cute.
It's you know what I think we're

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both dressed up as like one of
our favorite thing.

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Yeah, I did Edward last year.
You've you've done Super face.

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I've done super face before and
just I just love doing like

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signs like, you know, scifi and
like horror kind of makeup.

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It looks so good, so good.
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Yeah.
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I'm so, so fun.
Yeah, it's spooky season.

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And spooky season.
Yeah, we have to dress to

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accordingly.
We have to dress accordingly.

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You know, we love with themes.
So we are, we are all, all, all

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set.
And you know, before we start,

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you know, into our episode, I
wanted to, you know, just cheers

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because it is Halloween time.
We do deserve a little bit of a

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cheers for today.
So to Halloween to.

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Halloween.
Cheers a little, Aussie

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spumonti, what is that?
It's like a sweeter supersecchio

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Prosecco, and I don't like
sweet, but that's really good.

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It's not like it's Uber sweet.
No, it's not Uber sweet.

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I love it.
Edward loves it.

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OK, So typically when we talk
about the demonic possession, it

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kind of conjures irrational or
even otherworldly behavior.

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That's what you're thinking of,
right?

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We're talking about climbing on
the walls, speaking in like

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strange, biblical, Aramaic, like
languages, dead languages.

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Walking upside down on all four?
Exactly.

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That's exact I was thinking of,
and I'll be honest, out of all

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of the topics that we've covered
aside from aliens, because

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aliens really scare me.
This topic scares the shit out

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of me.
Which is why I was like, I have

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to do it for our spooky season
because it really Spooks me out.

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All right.
Good.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, so I I don't know.

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Were you scared of demonic like
demons?

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Like I wouldn't be able to
sleep.

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I used to not be able to sleep.
If I watched a movie or like

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heard about like a possession or
demons, I would it would keep me

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up at night.
I would be convinced that I

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something's just lurking around
the corner.

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No, there were.
Like, I think that the Super,

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super unreal stuff never really
bothered me.

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I never.
I could watch it no problem.

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Like Freddy Krueger.
I love Freddy Krueger, don't get

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me wrong.
But, like, it didn't scare me.

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It's like when it starts getting
plausible that I get scared.

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That's when I get scared, Yeah.
And I don't.

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Oh, my zipper's falling down.
So like those demon ones Or the

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creepy the Jeepers Creepers?
Ever see that one?

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I didn't see Jeepers Creeper.
So it's just because it's so

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like there's nothing scary about
it per se until near thing, but

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it's just that thought of the
unknown, evil, scary possession

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stuff.
This again, that seems

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plausible.
That's what's kind of scary.

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I I think, and I mean, you know,
it makes sense.

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Like at least for me, I I think
and and we both live in this

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country.
But this was like, this has to

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do with my upbringing.
I was raised in a Protestant

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church growing up, not a
particularly conservative one,

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but I was raised in a church
nonetheless.

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And I remember stories even of
Jesus driving out demons that

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like adults were talking about.
This was like super scary,

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right?
Adults are like, no, no.

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This is really terrifying.
And you know The Exorcist.

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Exactly.
You know, they start speaking in

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tongues and they start doing
like spinning their heads and

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their eyes rolling back.
I mean, and it's normal humans

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who just have something like
possess them or whatever.

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It's so scary.
So we were just talking about

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it.
You know, we're talking about

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the Christian and Catholic, you
know, form of possession, which

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is what we typically think of.
We think of, you know, the

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Exorcist, the exorcism of Emily
Rose.

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These are things that, you know,
come into your head first.

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But there are other ways, you
know, that people can be

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possessed.
And I think the real issue, like

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you were saying, it's, it seems
like it's real, it's people are

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having an altered state of
right, you know, emotion or

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whatever.
That seems uncontrollable,

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uncontrolled, something unknown.
Yeah, it's unlike who they are.

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To do.
It's gonna do, yeah.

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And it has like it typically is,
like with possession, negative

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connotations for the human being
that is being possessed, right?

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Right.
And we've talked about start,

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interrupt voodoo.
Remember how when we talked

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about possession like that's an
IN?

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That's a wanted thing?
Because it's not.

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Demonic or evil in in its
intent, right, that people go

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into and we'll talk like
lightly, you know, go over some

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vodu.
But like you're right.

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Like it is, the intent behind it
for folks is to seek out answers

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right and to get something from
the spiritual realm.

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But in our context we're talking
about the, the not so friendly.

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We'll talk a little bit about, a
little bit about everything, but

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but normally you hear demons,
you hear demonic possession, you

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hear possession and you're like,
that's not something you want to

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do, right?
And in all different types of

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religions and stuff, they have
that.

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So in Judaism it was after the
destruction of the temple in the

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3rd or 5th century, there was a
huge practice of magic and this

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included like amulets,
incantation bowls, and these

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were to ward off evil spirits.
But one dude took it even

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further, as they always do,
right?

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Isaac Lucia actually created the
idea of a dibic, which is a soul

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that inhabited A victim until
it's stoned for its sin or atone

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for its sin.
And there's a book called

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Balshem that can remove a dibic
via exorcism that's that's in

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Judaism.
So this is like the version of

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possession that we know well,
where the devil or a demon takes

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over an unsuspecting person.
So when you're thinking of that,

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we're thinking of that people
climbing on the walls and like

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not acting normal.
Magically anti gravity

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abilities.
Yeah, and like superhuman

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strength and stuff.
And ultimately, like, I could

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break it down by by Christian
denomination, but I'm not going

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to do that.
Don't worry about it.

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Okay, Kevin.
So since you and I were raised

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in the Protestant US culture,
we're well aware of demons and

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demonic possession and the idea
of spiritual warfare, which is

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where the devil and his cronies
are.

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Try try to influence and take
control of a human, That's a

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very real thing.
The Catholics believe that

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possession occurs as involuntary
as well.

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So like, nobody's asking to be
possessed.

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It just happens.
And they have a very specific

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means of exercising these demons
out.

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What we'll go over a little bit
later.

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But if you're thinking about
sleeping tonight, Kevin, I'm

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sorry, you're not going to be
able to, I think.

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You're not going to be.
No.

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I mean, I'm saying that just for
myself, probably.

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I'm going to actually put on my
dusty former Bible study leader,

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hat on and quote the good word.
I know because even Jesus didn't

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have time for trifling ass
possession.

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OK, so this was actually from
Luke chapter 4, verses 33

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through 35.
In the synagogue there was a man

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that was possessed by a demon
and evil spirit and he cried out

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at the top of his voice.
Ha, what do you want with us,

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Jesus of Nazareth?
Have you come to destroy us?

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I know who you are, the holy one
of God, you know, just in front

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of him.
And Jesus like comes in.

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Be quiet, it's what he says has
come out of him.

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And the demon threw the man down
before all of them and came out

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without enduring the man.
All the people were amazed and

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said to each other.
Because he was scared of Jesus,

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right?
They're like, oh, what is this

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teaching?
Like who is this guy, right?

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With authority and power, he
gives orders to evil spirits and

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they just come out and the news
spread about him throughout the

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surrounding area.
So that's the quote.

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And I like to think of like
Jesus walking out with like a

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chain, a backwards cap, a hat,
like hat on and like some lokes

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and just like him, just like
walking away like a real gang.

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So, like, get out of there.
And they're like, yeah, OK,

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sure.
And like everyone was fucking

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talking about him because he's
such a gangster.

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So it's like, that's the story,
like in the Bible.

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Then we have like, Islam.
And Islam actually has many

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types of demons and spirits,
some of which deserve their own

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episode.
And I definitely want to cover

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them.
The one that I'm most stoked to

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cover is the gin.
Have you heard of the gin?

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So you've heard of genies,
right?

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Yes, so.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
It's like the more official

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right the judge in in the Quran
they talk about the gin.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yes, I have.

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Now that you say that, yeah, so
the gin are not so dissimilar to

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humans.
They're more powerful, but they

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have free will just like human
beings do, and they are judged

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by God at the end of their
lives.

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Are they immortal?
They're not immortal.

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I think they have a longer
lifespan than human beings, but

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they're not immortal.
So they're judged by God based

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on the decisions that they make,
just like humans are.

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So what they look like, they're
typically invisible.

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They have thin bodies that they
can actually change into

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whatever they want.
Typically this is snakes,

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scorpions, lizards, and even
human beings.

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So they can like kind of morph
into anything.

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They can smash With humans, they
can.

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They can, you know, with humans
and have offspring.

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Yeah, they can also be injured,
and they'll seek revenge by

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possessing A human's body, so
they won't leave until it's

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forced via exorcism.
But don't be scared, because

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they preferred really to stick
to their own.

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They prefer to stay in their own
communities and you're.

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Going to make.
In other words, you're going to

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make me possess you.
I'm going to do it, but really,

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rather not.
Yeah, I'd really rather not.

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They'll mess around like the
weird ones will mess around with

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human beings.
Sure, they like to stick, yeah,

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because they can.
But like really, they like to

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stick to their own folks and you
can protect yourself with

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amulets if you need to.
So there's the Shayton which is

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also in Islam.
In the Quran it's the most note

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and the most notable notable one
of this shayton is the Bliss,

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which is similar to the the
devil.

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So you can think of him as like
being the leader of the pack,

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much like Lucifer is like
demons.

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They're invisible but they are
depicted and believed to be

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disgusting like vile looking
creatures.

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Their whole thing is to cause
human and Gen. to sin by like

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whispering into their hearts and
brains and tempting them to do

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bad.
OK, so there are some parallels

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with Christianity and
Catholicism and the fact that

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like, you know, the Devil,
Lucifer, fallen angels.

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It's very similar.
Like there was a war and like,

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you know, it's a very similar
idea, but they are really the OG

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influencers, so.
The OG influencer?

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Yeah, they're like, they're like
whispering, ooh, you want to do

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this?
Oh, like, I think you should do

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this.
This is going to sell out in

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Sephora, you know, like,
whatever.

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It's like kind of the idea.
They are not like the Jen who

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are able to choose good and
evil.

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They are just plain evil.
No matter what.

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They are just evil, evil things,
and there's really they can't

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choose good to be good.
Yeah, yeah.

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So there's not much talk about
them actually possessing people,

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really, the ideas that they're
influencing.

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And they can steer over, take
people's thoughts by whispering

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temptation into their ears, and
it's done to humans and gin

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alike.
So we had spoken about before in

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your voodoo episode, Voodoo in
Haiti.

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And that spirit possession is
not always a bad thing.

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So can you break that down a
little bit?

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Yeah, yeah, that's not.
That's exactly it.

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So as Alicia said earlier, like
when we hear possession like

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it's instant negative
connotation, whereas in voodoo

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as we speak in our episode, it's
a good thing because of the

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spirits.
Get just as much out of it as

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the human that is being
possessed.

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There's kind of this trade off
and this agreement and you know

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I'm going to possess you and I'm
going to get this and you're

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going to get this and and it's
just a kind of a balance and a

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intended just good thing And
then of course Western cult I'm

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I'm you know blame stupid
Americans in western culture for

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just turning it into you know
great.

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Movies, yeah.
Scary.

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Just it's always negative and
gross and murder, right?

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Major right.
And in reality it's a reciprocal

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relationship where where the
those who are being possessed

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are getting knowledge or
whatever, and then the ones that

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are possessing are also gaining
something like an experience or

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whatever, eating stuff like
that.

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Yep.
Exactly So in Buddhism, like

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Buddhists believe that there are
Caesars or those that threaten

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the lives of young children and
and they tend to appear in

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animal form like a cow, lion, a
fox, a monkey, horse, dog, pig,

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cat, crow, pheasant, owl, snake.
And that's the image of the

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demon.
And the way that the child moves

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and sounds, like the noises that
they make is actually something

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that can be a good indicator of
what type of Caesar it is, what

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is possessing them.
But like in Vodou, it can be

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beneficial.
So there there is, like in

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Buddhism, there's a Mara which
is sometimes translated as demon

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and it can be being suffering in
the hell realm or even a

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delusion of a person.
So there the idea was, before

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Siddhartha became Gutiyama
Buddha, Buddha, he was

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challenged by Mara and the
embodiment of temptation and

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things like that and overcame
it.

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Not so dissimilar to Jesus
being, you know, in the in the

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desert, being tempted by Satan.
Yeah.

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And that's just it too.
You like these religions,

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believes, whatever.
And I don't even talking about

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organized religion.
I'm just talking about, you

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know, communities and peoples
and believes, like, it's so

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funny like everyone has the same
stuff, just in a different.

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Description or format or.
Yeah, order or whatever, right.

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It's it's similar.
They're all similar themes.

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Yeah.
That you see around the world.

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Yeah.
It does take like they're they

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have different names but like
they're not so dissimilar,

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right.
So in the in Buddhism they have

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different types of Mara's or
like spirits.

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And the Kelsamara is an unskill,
is in the embodiment of all

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unskillful emotions like greed,
hate and delusion.

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There's another Mara, that's
death, that's like the

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embodiment of like death.
There's a ska Honda Mara which

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is a metaphor of for the
entirety of conditioned

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existence.
So what we're conditioned to do,

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which is kind of like a a
negative or like a spirit or

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whatever, there's one that Devop
Torah Mara, which is the diva of

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of the sensuous realm who tries
to prevent Gutama Buddha from

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attaining liberation from the
cycle of rebirth on the night of

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Buddha's enlightenment.
So it was like a hey come over

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here, look over here.
And Buddha's like maybe?

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Look at these.
Yeah actually I have to do

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something important but but you
can understand how that would be

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so ultimately like these Mara's
will depart to a different realm

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once they are appeased.
So once you come over overcome

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this temptation they are
appeased and they leave.

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So Indonesia, they Bali people
actually choose like in Vodou to

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be possessed for specific
reasons.

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So they'll they actually go just
like in Vodou, they'll go into a

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very a practice which was a very
specific and controlled state

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with rituals.
And the idea is to believe to be

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to cleanse people and places of
evil influences and actually

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restore spiritual balance
because the the goal, the

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attainment is spiritual balance
and not you know skew one-on-one

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way or the other.
So it's often actually referred

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to as a exorcism ceremony.
So in Sulawesi, the women

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practice a possession trance
ritual, which they smother

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glowing embers with their bare
feet at the very end of it.

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And I've seen this, you, you may
have seen this.

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It's like these women are
putting their bare feet in this,

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like it's just red hot embers.
Yeah, coals.

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And the fact that they're not
burned on their feet afterwards

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is, is the idea or considered
proof that it is authentically A

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possession that they're not
actually human.

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Gotcha.
And when they got through it, So

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now that we know like some
different types of it, right.

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And by the way, would you ever
do that?

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Would you ever like?
Try to do these things that

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would like let's say it was like
something like vote, do like

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would you.
Allow me to be possessed or, you

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know, I I haven't given that
much thought.

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Like I felt gosh.
OK, so here's the problem.

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Yes, please.
Here's my problem.

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So I'm so conditioned into bad
juju.

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Yeah, that it's kind of like the
Ouija board stuff.

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Like, I don't like.
It's all about intention and

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stuff.
I always go and make sure I go

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into it very, very clean and
pure because I'm scared of the

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like doing something that I
don't know I can do or doing

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something that's like no win
out.

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And so even going into that it
with a good heart and good mind,

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I would still be slightly
apprehensive about taking a

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risk, an unnecessary risk.
And again, I think it's just

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because my Western conditioning.
Right, right.

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So I think I would want to do
experience something like that

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but but just I think I would be
slightly hesitant like what

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what, what about you?
I think, I think that if I were

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in a position that I was like,
OK, I feel like I can really

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trust.
This situation, I think I'm

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becoming a little bit more open
to that kind of thing only

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because I see that like the yin
and Yang, like you have to have

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good and evil.
And like, sometimes it's really

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fun to be a bitch.
And sometimes like, it's

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sometimes it's necessary right,
to to have like negativity in

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order to serve a greater good or
a greater purpose.

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So I'm starting to see more of
that balance.

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I think that.
I'd like like you.

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I'd like to believe that I would
do it, but it does terrify the

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shit out of me.
Like all this stuff is I cannot

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undo.
Like being 13 and seeing The

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Exorcist.
I cannot undo not being able to

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sleep for two weeks after seeing
The Exorcist.

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And my friend, can I tell you
the story when I saw it?

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Yeah.
Okay.

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So my friend was like, oh, I'm
going to watch The Exorcist.

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And my mom's like, I'm not
watching it.

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My parents are both like, that's
like one of the scariest movies.

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I'm like, I really, I like being
scared.

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What do you like?
What are you guys thinking?

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My my parents are like, if you
really want to watch it, you

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can.
But I'm not willing.

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And I've always like, it was
like that forbidden fruit.

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I wanted to taste that fruit.
So I did and.

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My friend was like, yeah, this
is like the movie.

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It was like over halfway, Like
over now.

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Were your parents very
religious?

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They were raised, so they're
born.

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My mom was raised Catholic, My
dad, his parents were Catholic.

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And then he ended up converting
to Christianity.

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My grandfather's a minister, and
I thought I was going to be a

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minister.
OK.

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So I was very I was more
religious.

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OK.
At that age, OK, so the movies

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half over?
It's like half over And my

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friends like, hey, I'm gonna
take a shower.

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Are you OK for me to do?
Because her her dad was out of

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town and so we kind of had the
house to ourselves.

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And why was she taking a shower
during the middle of the movie?

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Well, does she have evil plans?
Dude, let me tell you.

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Damn it.
So because I'm sitting there

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watching and they had this
little poodle.

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So her dad's girlfriend was out
of town and the poodle was

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there.
And the poodle, you know, love

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poodle.
So I can't.

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But the poodle was like, sitting
there.

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I'm like, OK, if anything
happens, this fucking dog's

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going to Alert me, right?
Like animals.

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No, they know.
So she.

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I'm like, yeah, sure.
Like, it's really not that

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scary.
She's like, yeah, I don't think

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it's really that scary either.
I'm going to take a shower.

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I'm going to go take a shower.
And I'm like, yeah, sure,

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whatever.
It's not that scary.

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That's when all the shit happens
in the movie.

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Yeah, yeah, it's like, I feel
like she intentionally.

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Had me watch it alone.
Darkened fucking room by myself

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and the dog started fucking
barking at the corner of the

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room and I was like, she's
taking a shower.

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The longest shower known to man.
She's probably like this scares

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the shit out of me.
I don't want to let Alicia know.

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This scares me exactly.
But I'm like sitting there like,

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Oh my God, the dog's fucking
barking.

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And I'm like, I don't know how
to stop the VCR.

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Because yes.
VCR at that time, but be kind

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rewind.
Be kind, rewind, but it was

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like, are you fucking kidding
me?

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So whatever ends up happening
and I'm terrified, I the only

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thing that made me feel safe was
I had my baby sister.

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She was like months old, so I
must have been 14 and I had made

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her like sleep in bed with me.
Because I was so scared and I'm

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like something this pure cannot
hurt me.

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So that was like my first.
I'm like never.

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I would.
I would watch it again and

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probably not sleep.
I would need like you think.

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Have you watched it?
You haven't watched it since

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then, obviously.
No, I haven't.

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Have you?
OK, let me just.

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I don't want to digress.
Or I'm going to digress for a

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little bit.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But if you watch those kinds of

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Movies Now, at least for me, I
go, I was scared of that.

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Like, that's like, dumb.
Like, really?

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Yes, I go.
The Exorcist though?

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Well maybe not The Exorcist.
I don't know cuz I haven't

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watched it in like decades.
But I'm just saying like some of

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them, I've gone back and
watched.

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I'm like, Oh my God, this is so
cheese ball.

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Like, why was I scared of that,
like?

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Rosemary's baby?
Sure.

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Like that.
I do think that was like, it's

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like more of like a
psychological like scary you

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kind of movie.
Yeah, yeah.

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But at the same time, yes, like
we need to have an exercise or

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exorcism night.
I mean, a exorcist night.

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Where we watch it, Yeah, we'll
do Ouija board and then watch

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Exorcist and then make you stay
up all night.

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Long.
No.

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This is what I'm going to do.
You guys are not going to sleep.

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I am sleeping with you and Roy
and the bed.

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I'm gonna be like you
motherfuckers.

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00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:23,500
I'm so scared.
I'm crying like I don't give a

451
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:26,580
shit.
There are demons out there.

452
00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:29,580
Roy won't watch any of that
scary shit at all.

453
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:31,140
He's.
Not a fool like us because he's

454
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:33,300
not a fool.
He's not a fool, yeah.

455
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,140
He certainly won't do Ouija
board or.

456
00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:37,280
He won't.
He won't not, you know, he

457
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,680
doesn't even like Big Brother
drama.

458
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,520
We were just talking.
About Oh my gosh, yeah, that's

459
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,360
very true.
So I'm like, give me the drama,

460
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,040
give me the TI want to know
everything.

461
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,080
I don't want to be a part of it.
I just like the drama.

462
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,800
Okay.
So anyway, sorry.

463
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,400
So now that we take crush, so
now that we know the different

464
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,600
types of of demons, what about?
How do you get rid of them?

465
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,040
How do you exercise them?
I'm gonna actually turn to

466
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Catholics for this one.
Sure, because that's what we

467
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,320
know of as the way to eliminate
the demo.

468
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,920
Well, and they're also dramatic.
So like so full of symbolism and

469
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,200
and devices.
And things and yeah.

470
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,680
Rules and like, oh, this is what
you have to do and you have to

471
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,280
be approved and you have to be
guilted.

472
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,600
Like, I mean, come on, look at
the fucking Pope.

473
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Like, how dramatic?
Well, Catholicism is so

474
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
symbolic.
Like there's rituals and there's

475
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,920
symbols and there's.
There's smells, just things.

476
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,320
They have incense like, yeah, I
never had incense super dramatic

477
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,200
or smells.
It is a theatrical like

478
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,080
particularly, it truly is.
We are dramatic people.

479
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Yeah.
We love that.

480
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,960
Love it.
So I have to go through that.

481
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,960
Yeah.
OK, so Catholic exorcists

482
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,800
actually said there's two types
of possession, the ordinary.

483
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,800
So just think of like normal
stuff like temptations, just the

484
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,760
basic version.
Yeah, like maybe you're like.

485
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,200
Fuck that person.
I'm gonna trip them when they

486
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,160
walk past me or whatever.
And then you also have

487
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,880
extraordinary demonic or satanic
activity and that extraordinary.

488
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,760
So there's two levels.
Yeah, there's two levels of

489
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,920
possession.
I feel like there needs to be

490
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600
like more, but.
Oh, there's like subcategories.

491
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,240
It's done.
Oh, OK, cuz yeah, with that

492
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,880
basic and then like, yeah.
Exactly.

493
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,480
So it's like you have like an
evil thought and that's one form

494
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,640
of possession because like,
something's whispering into your

495
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,720
ear like the Satan or Satan.
Not Satan, shaitan, whatever it

496
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,470
was with Islam anyway.
So the extraordinary type,

497
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:46,590
there's six different forms of
extraordinary, OK, Possession

498
00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:48,510
forms of extraordinary, yes.
OK.

499
00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:53,510
So it and that ranges from like
complete control by Satan to

500
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:56,950
voluntary submission.
OK, so there's my levels.

501
00:28:56,950 --> 00:29:00,670
Yeah, yeah, there's your levels.
So the first one, possession,

502
00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:03,710
which Satan or demons take.
Full possession of a person's

503
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:06,630
body without their consent.
There is no consent here.

504
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:12,490
We we prefer consent.
Consent, consent, Consent No

505
00:29:12,490 --> 00:29:14,050
means no.
No means no.

506
00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:17,890
OK, Demon, OK Lucifer.
No means no.

507
00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:20,370
They don't give a fuck.
That's the first one.

508
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:24,130
It usually comes as a result of
a person's actions.

509
00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:27,010
So they have actions actually
lead to an increased

510
00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:29,530
susceptibility to Satan's
influence.

511
00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:32,570
So maybe they're.
I don't know.

512
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:35,210
I don't really think that
anything is like a sin, sin.

513
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:37,000
But.
Catholics do, right?

514
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,240
Like maybe idolatry?
Maybe there's.

515
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,640
Murder.
Maybe there's like fucking

516
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,200
adultery.
Maybe there's like, lying.

517
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Yeah, they're very judgmental
people, so it could be many

518
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,600
things.
Sorry.

519
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,520
No, no, don't be sorry, not
sorry.

520
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,080
The second one is obsession and
this includes sudden attacks of

521
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,480
irrationality.
So obsessive thoughts like think

522
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,600
OCD, like you know when you're
like obsessively thinking about

523
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,310
something and but it usually.
Culminates and suicidal

524
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:14,310
ideation, and it also typically
is the the typical thing is like

525
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:15,870
that.
It'll influence dreams and

526
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:20,070
stuff, so people will think
about, like, you know, killing

527
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:21,550
themselves off themselves, stuff
like that.

528
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:26,990
Once again, it's never worth it.
People love you.

529
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:30,870
You're worth it.
Oppression, So there's no loss

530
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:33,510
of consciousness or involuntary
action.

531
00:30:33,910 --> 00:30:37,440
So.
When you think of Job, the book

532
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,480
of Job in the Bible.
So Job was tormented by Satan

533
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,040
fucking.
I don't know this, but you don't

534
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,120
know this.
No, I don't know this the most

535
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,200
fucked up story in the Bible.
Basically it's a story of God

536
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,160
and Satan having a bet as to
whether or not this guy hope

537
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,120
will, like will succumb and say
fuck God.

538
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,680
And God's like, Oh yeah, I'll
put 20 on it.

539
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,240
Let's try to do everything to
him, try doing everything to

540
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,000
him.
We're oh, yeah, he's not going

541
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,800
to.
That's like like, honestly, it's

542
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320
like a bet between God and Satan
and and like like Satan's like,

543
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,040
oh, you're most devout follower.
Job.

544
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,440
Job is he.
He's not actually like, I can

545
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,200
turn him and God's like, sure,
be my guest try.

546
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,630
It's not going to happen.
So like his family dies, did

547
00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:29,910
happen.
His family dies, he goes through

548
00:31:29,910 --> 00:31:32,790
famine, he like loses his job.
He was very successful.

549
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:38,910
He gets like boils all over his
body and literally only has like

550
00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:42,350
a pot to piss in that breaks and
he didn't.

551
00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:47,990
And he cuts the boils open and
his body, and still he laments

552
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:51,230
God, but he does not stop
believing.

553
00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:53,590
So it's like demons fucking with
you.

554
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:56,910
And if you're a job in the book
of Job, God's like saying.

555
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,720
Yeah, sure, try it.
Fuck that.

556
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,720
Fuck you.
I'm sorry, that is like such a

557
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,280
shitty story.
Anyways, that's job.

558
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,720
So they're tormented by Satan
through a series of misfortunes.

559
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,880
The 4th one is external physical
pain caused by Satan or demons.

560
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640
So like.
You know, think of burns that

561
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,280
have no reason.
Like, you know, Yeah, just,

562
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,960
like, magically.
Like scratches, like people talk

563
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,840
about.
Like scratches.

564
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scratch is a huge thing, yeah,

565
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,880
bruises, things like that.
The fifth one is infestation.

566
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,320
So this affects houses.
So it's objects inside of your

567
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,800
house, things, animals.
So like it's it's more of.

568
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Outward not within you.
It's more of the things

569
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,360
surrounding you that becomes
possessed and then subjugation,

570
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,520
which is the 6th one which a
person actually chooses to be

571
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,680
possessed.
Possessed submits to Satan or

572
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,720
demons.
So in of course those are all

573
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,160
the types.
Now how the fuck do you get rid

574
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,400
of them?
So the Roman ritual or true

575
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,080
demonic or satanic satanic
possession, it has four

576
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,400
characteristics.
So they have to have a person

577
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,530
come in.
That is ordained by the Catholic

578
00:33:17,530 --> 00:33:23,330
Church to to do these do a
possession or to exercise an,

579
00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:29,010
yeah, an an exorcism.
Yeah, has to come in and he has

580
00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:31,130
to observe everything that
happens.

581
00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:33,730
OK.
So yeah, to to understand what

582
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,560
needs to be applied.
Well, to understand, is it

583
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,560
actually possession?
Demonic possession?

584
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,200
So you mean in other words, are
they just cuckoo?

585
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Right.
Exactly.

586
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,360
That's part of it is like the
idea is to go through that in

587
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,520
order to to summize whether or
not they are actually possessed

588
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,720
by a demon.
Or is it just, Yeah, emotional.

589
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:55,920
Sure stuff.
OK.

590
00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:59,340
So the they have multiple
characteristics, the four

591
00:33:59,340 --> 00:34:01,060
different characteristics that
they have to watch.

592
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:04,580
So the first one is the
manifestation of superhuman

593
00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:07,180
strength.
They're like moving things or

594
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:10,020
like doing things that a body,
like a human body would never

595
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:12,900
do.
Speaking in tongues or like

596
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:16,580
those dead languages.
They don't know devil Latin and

597
00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:17,380
stuff.
Yeah.

598
00:34:17,380 --> 00:34:19,460
Or like Aramaic or like, yeah,
there.

599
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:23,100
And people like I've never heard
Latin like outside of.

600
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,679
The third one is revelation of
knowledge, whether it's distant

601
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,440
or hidden that the victim cannot
know.

602
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:38,080
So like maybe some ancient
things about you know, demons

603
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,719
about Satan, about you know
Jesus.

604
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Whatever sure for is blasphemous
rage.

605
00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:49,489
These are obscene hand gestures,
using profanity and an aversion

606
00:34:49,489 --> 00:34:53,650
to holy symbol symbols, names,
relics, places.

607
00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:55,170
So that's why I like Gotcha the
Cross.

608
00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:57,130
I'll have the cross, I'll say
the holy water.

609
00:34:57,170 --> 00:35:02,410
Yeah, holy water, the power of
Satan compels you, or the power

610
00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:04,010
of Christ.
Compels you.

611
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:06,650
Yeah.
So like and they're like, you

612
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:09,450
know like freaking out.
But like that's that's like

613
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:12,090
another thing.
Like are they are Do they have

614
00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:14,650
all four of these signs?
So.

615
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:20,730
Actually, I looked at different
Catholic encyclopedias to kind

616
00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:24,850
of find like, you know what,
what it is that how they break

617
00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:26,810
it down.
Because there's a lot of room

618
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:30,650
for error in this, right?
If these people who are judging

619
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:34,050
whether or not someone is
actually possessed aren't

620
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,170
they're not doing it correctly,
then like a lot of people can

621
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:38,650
die because they are mentally
unwell, right?

622
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:41,930
Sure.
So this is like a medical like a

623
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:43,330
doctor.
Right.

624
00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:45,410
Yes, you could totally do the
wrong thing, dude.

625
00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:49,890
Absolutely, yeah.
So what it states, the new

626
00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:54,290
Catholic Encyclopedia states a
class ecclesiastical authorities

627
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:58,570
are reluctant to admit
diabolical possession in most

628
00:35:58,570 --> 00:36:02,290
cases, and this is because they
can be explained by physical or

629
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:06,690
mental illness.
So therefore medical and

630
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:09,690
psychological examinations are
necessary before the performance

631
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:13,970
of mate a major exorcism.
For an exorcist to be morally

632
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:18,570
certain or beyond reasonable
doubt that he or she is dealing

633
00:36:18,570 --> 00:36:20,770
well, it's mainly he, because
we're talking about Catholics,

634
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:24,170
he is dealing with a genuine
case of demonic possession.

635
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:27,050
There must be no other
reasonable explanation for the

636
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:31,690
phenomena in question.
So they do say that you need to

637
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:36,930
have like a psych psychologist,
like psychiatrist, deem that

638
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:39,690
this is like outside of like
schizophrenia and stuff.

639
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:45,140
I wonder what if you had a non
religious psychologist though,

640
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,420
Like wouldn't they always be
able to explain it as some sort

641
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:50,940
of a mental defect?
Like it's interesting.

642
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:53,700
It's funny that you say that
there is a dude when I was doing

643
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:58,020
research for this that was
saying he's like I there's a guy

644
00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:01,860
who's an exorcist that is near
me and he has me, he's a

645
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:05,420
psychiatrist, has me go in and
like check these cases, he said

646
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:09,270
a lot of them are.
Multiple personality disorders

647
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:13,190
like different issues, but there
are some that like have no,

648
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:16,910
there is no history.
There is no, like explanation

649
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:17,910
for this.
Really.

650
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:20,350
Yeah.
And but he cut goes in first, so

651
00:37:20,350 --> 00:37:22,710
he works directly with an
exorcist and he's a board

652
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:25,070
certified section.
So this is like legit like like

653
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:27,230
you know someone that does it.
Yes.

654
00:37:27,590 --> 00:37:29,150
Wow.
Yeah, it's fascinating.

655
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:33,230
OK.
So the official Catholic

656
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:35,870
doctrine affirms that demonic
possession can occur.

657
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,320
As distinguished from mental
illness.

658
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
So mental illness is separate
from demonic possession.

659
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,280
They are not one in the same.
You can be mentally ill and or

660
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,440
well or and and or.
Can, yeah, ultimately take care

661
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,440
of the mental illness before you
treat the exorcism.

662
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,800
Yeah, yeah.
But they stress that cases of

663
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,880
mental illness should not be
misdiagnosed as as demonic

664
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,880
influence.
Well if one believes in

665
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,940
possession then it goes to
reason that you would need to

666
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:15,780
fix your mental issues as that
actually could have potentially

667
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:19,980
opened the door for possession.
So it seems sounds to reason

668
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:24,060
that you would want to address
your mental problems before you

669
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:28,860
try to exercise the the demon.
Absolutely.

670
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,500
Yeah, absolutely.
And what they they also like

671
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,260
when they are actually choosing
to do an exorcism.

672
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:40,750
They say that the authority can
only come from a Bishop.

673
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:45,510
So in order for a Catholic, like
an actual Catholic exorcism to

674
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:49,270
take place, you have to have a
priest who says, OK, I think

675
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:52,070
this is what's happening.
Then the Bishop has to look at

676
00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:54,110
it and say, is this actually
what's happening?

677
00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:55,750
Yes, it's actually what's
happening.

678
00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:59,830
Let's perform a exorcism.
That's the only way.

679
00:38:59,830 --> 00:39:03,430
It has to be very official and
the rules in which they.

680
00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:06,910
They just make that decision are
super strict.

681
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:13,750
They even say that like a simple
form of exorcism occurs during

682
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:17,070
baptism.
So, like, when you're baptized,

683
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:20,550
it's like a simpler like like
nothing sure can.

684
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:21,990
Which, by the way, have you been
baptized?

685
00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:24,590
I'm not.
I was baptized, but not the

686
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:26,470
Catholic Church.
Yeah, What?

687
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:27,870
How?
How are you baptized?

688
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:32,030
Presbyterian And do they how do
they just like drip water over

689
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:33,510
your head or do they like little
dunk?

690
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,270
Yeah.
So that's like more a Southern

691
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:38,190
Baptist.
Yeah, Baptist, of course.

692
00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:40,150
They're very dramatic.
And so they have to do that

693
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:42,910
press.
I was raised Presbyterian, and

694
00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:45,230
Presbyterians are kind of like
the nerds of the Bible.

695
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:49,940
Yeah, they go into like the.
Root words and Aramaic and shit.

696
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:52,300
Anyways, that's what I was
raised and go figure.

697
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,420
But you basically do a
confirmation class very similar

698
00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:59,380
to Catholicism.
You have to do a series of

699
00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:02,300
classes and talk about like what
God means to you.

700
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:03,660
Do you understand what you're
doing?

701
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:06,420
The difference between the
Presbyterian Church and the

702
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:08,700
Catholic Church is the Catholic
Church.

703
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,730
They do it much younger.
I was like a teenager when I

704
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:13,890
did.
I think it was like 14 or

705
00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:16,770
something when I got baptized
and I had to do a confirmation

706
00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:21,130
class and have like somebody
who's like a spiritual mentor

707
00:40:21,970 --> 00:40:24,570
walk me through it and stuff.
And there's a bunch of us who

708
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:25,850
did it anyway.
OK.

709
00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:29,170
So you've been you've had an
exorcisms.

710
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:32,770
I guess I've had according
according to the to the

711
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:34,770
Catholics I have.
Yeah, absolutely.

712
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:38,880
So now that we actually know
what demons are around the

713
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,200
world, and we know how to deal
with them in a possession, I

714
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000
thought we could look at a
couple of notable possessions.

715
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,280
OK, I thought you were going to
say we were going to have a live

716
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,520
exorcism, but that's OK.
Oh my God.

717
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,880
I would be so scared if you're
like, I like it started doing

718
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,960
that.
But no, no, please, please,

719
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,910
please.
Who do I need to call?

720
00:40:59,910 --> 00:41:05,430
Where's that?
OK, so there's the exorcism of

721
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:09,790
Roland Dole, which is actually
what the the story The Exorcist

722
00:41:09,790 --> 00:41:16,270
was based off.
Of So it's Roland Dole or they

723
00:41:16,270 --> 00:41:19,950
also call him Robbie, like
Mannaheim.

724
00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:23,150
So it's one of the two.
So it's a it's a fake name,

725
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:26,030
right?
But it happened in the late

726
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:29,480
1940s.
The Catholic Church actually

727
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,640
performed a few exorcisms on a
14 year old boy.

728
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,720
And the priest, Raymond J
Bishop, wrote it all down

729
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,520
because that's what they do.
They write everything down.

730
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,960
And that's how we know what
actually happened today.

731
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Roland lived in cottage City, MD
in the 1940s and he was the only

732
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,600
child and lived with his parents
and an aunt.

733
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:56,230
And his aunt Harriet was a
spiritualist and we talked about

734
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:58,950
spiritualism last year on our
Halloween episode.

735
00:42:00,230 --> 00:42:04,110
She loved talking to the dead,
and one of the ways that she

736
00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:07,790
would communicate with the dead
was yes.

737
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:12,510
Ouija board, Yes, Ding Ding
Ding.

738
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:16,190
It was the Ouija board.
And like a good aunt, would she

739
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:19,390
actually let Roland or Robbie
use it with her?

740
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:24,140
So, you know, let's move forward
and Harriet dies.

741
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,340
And after that, the family said
that there were, like, strange

742
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:31,660
noises in the house and
furniture seemed to move and

743
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:35,380
objects would start levitating
and flying around whenever

744
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:40,710
Roland was in the room.
Now, this is something that we

745
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:43,430
typically think of with like
poltergeist activity, right?

746
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:44,310
Yeah.
Like when you think of the

747
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:46,790
poltergeist.
And yes, well, you know, I

748
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:48,630
always say this, but like, we're
gonna it's it's one of the

749
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:51,350
topics that we're going to
discuss in a future episode is

750
00:42:51,350 --> 00:42:56,380
like poltergeists, but it's
typically around like kids when

751
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:59,860
they're like 1314.
Like in that early pubescent

752
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:03,100
stage is always that early
pubescent stage that this shit

753
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:05,380
happens.
Between the innocence and the

754
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:07,100
non innocence.
Is that the deal?

755
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,380
I don't know.
Like, like if you're asking me

756
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:12,740
like if I were to guess what it
was, I think that there's like

757
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:17,540
so much energy that's occurring
within within their body and

758
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:19,140
like.
Puberty and all the puberty, all

759
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:22,380
these hormones like who who, who
knows what kind of chemicals and

760
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:25,450
stuff that we don't even maybe
understand like what that's

761
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:29,290
doing And like you have the
perfect conditions and we talk

762
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:32,130
about telekinesis, we talk about
like moving objects with your

763
00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:35,890
mind and stuff like that.
It's like these things are can

764
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:38,850
happen and people have shown
that can happen when you have a

765
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:42,090
surge and like energy and stuff
of course like it makes sense it

766
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:44,090
would happen anyways.
This is happening with Roland

767
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:49,130
and they the family was super
freaked out.

768
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:51,690
They're like this is not normal.
What is going on?

769
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,360
So they contacted their pastor
and their pastor was actually a

770
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,960
Lutheran pastor.
His name was Luther, go figure

771
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,120
Miles Schulz Luther, the
Lutheran.

772
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,400
He was probably named after
Martin Luther, which was the

773
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,640
creator anyways, so he was
really into parapsychology.

774
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,560
So he was really super into
ghosts and like all this shit.

775
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:24,310
And he's like, hey, parents have
this 14 year old boy stay the

776
00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:29,470
night at my house so I can
observe his behavior.

777
00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:31,630
It's only to observe his
behavior.

778
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:34,190
Okay.
God, here we go, right?

779
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:39,070
Like, that's not weird, right?
Like you, have someone come over

780
00:44:39,070 --> 00:44:40,310
to my house?
If you were.

781
00:44:41,570 --> 00:44:44,250
Family of God.
If you were God fearing they

782
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:46,370
would, why would you think you
would Think twice about that?

783
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:48,170
You would never think twice
about it.

784
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:49,930
You would be like, oh, this is a
pastor.

785
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:51,530
My pastor is like, cares about
me.

786
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:55,050
He loves me, like, why would he
ever steer me wrong, blah, blah.

787
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:58,290
Of course.
So they listened to him.

788
00:44:59,250 --> 00:45:03,290
And Pastor Luther, he's like,
let let me watch and see if

789
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:06,090
anything happens.
He said that shit started moving

790
00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:09,890
around in his home on its own,
and he knew that he was like

791
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:12,480
basically out of his depth.
So he.

792
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,000
He So he was.
Was he a legit?

793
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,240
No, he wasn't a legit exorcist.
No.

794
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,640
No.
Like, so ultimately what

795
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,800
happened was, you know, the
shits like moving around,

796
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480
parents get freaked out.
And they're like, who do we go

797
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,520
to?
Yeah, let's go to our pastor.

798
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,440
We go to church every Sunday.
He'll know what to do.

799
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,480
And he's like, let's see if it's
actually happening or if they're

800
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,800
just, you know, Yeah.
And he's like, no, it's actually

801
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,960
happening.
Just there's something to this.

802
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,320
It's like documented.
Yeah, yeah, it's documented.

803
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,480
It's crazy.
We'll get, we'll get further

804
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:52,600
into it.
So he he ends up going to to

805
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,960
like tells the parents like you
need to find a Catholic pre

806
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:03,850
priest, OK yeah.
And so they of course listened

807
00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:04,610
to him.
Well, they're.

808
00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:06,250
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.

809
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:08,690
Anyway, they're desperate.
What are you supposed to do?

810
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:09,810
Yeah.
What would you do?

811
00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:11,730
Like, what else?
What other options are there?

812
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:16,810
Quite honestly, I mean, if
you're, if you're, you're.

813
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:21,170
What other options are there?
Let me just ask the question

814
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:23,890
before you get into it.
What other options are there?

815
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:28,170
Like I know of none I've seen of
like I've never.

816
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:31,490
Yeah, I don't know of no other
options.

817
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:35,170
I I think that I think when
you're dealing with something

818
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:38,010
you can't explain, you try to
find any kind of reasoning

819
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:38,850
behind it.
Yeah.

820
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:42,010
And like a situation like this,
it would make sense that you

821
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:48,070
would reach out to someone who
like who has like A1 direct

822
00:46:48,070 --> 00:46:51,270
route to God and if they're
like, oh hey, by the way, this

823
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:54,110
is for real talk to a fucking
Catholic priest.

824
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:56,830
He's like pointing them in that
direction instead of being like

825
00:46:56,830 --> 00:47:00,230
let me figure this out.
But he does.

826
00:47:00,310 --> 00:47:02,150
And and so that's exactly what
they do.

827
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:08,390
They start saying like, yeah, we
we need to do something about

828
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:12,830
this.
And according to the actual

829
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:15,980
traditional story, the he
actually went through a number

830
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:17,980
of exorcisms.
It wasn't just one, it was

831
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:21,500
multiple exorcisms.
Edward Hughes, who?

832
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:23,620
Was it was deep or something
because?

833
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:25,860
Like, like they couldn't, Isn't
it?

834
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:28,420
Whatever one of those levels,
like he was just like.

835
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:32,300
And he talked on the Ouija board
a little bit too much.

836
00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:36,500
See apparently.
My fear has come to come true.

837
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:39,180
That's what they said it.
That's what they said was the

838
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:43,580
reason was because he was on the
Ouija board that that was, it's

839
00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:45,900
like he's 14 years old.
See, that's just it.

840
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,780
Like sorry, but he he didn't
know.

841
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:54,500
He he doesn't 14 years old.
You're gonna do, you're not

842
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:56,940
gonna think this through.
You're just gonna go do stuff.

843
00:47:56,940 --> 00:48:00,140
You're not gonna be an adult
about it and go, OK, this

844
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:03,300
probably bad idea.
I'm gonna have some intent.

845
00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:05,940
And your Aunt Harry?
Yeah, I did want to go ooh,

846
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:08,000
let's speak to.
Psycho.

847
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,760
The murderer.
Yeah, of course.

848
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,880
You're like, I want some.
I I'm in the 1940s.

849
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,920
Like, there's not shit going on.
Aunt Harry.

850
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,440
I have no one to play with.
I don't have any kids in the

851
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,040
house.
Right.

852
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,520
It's me and Harry and my fucking
parents.

853
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,760
My parents are fucking squares.
Aunt Harriet's cool because she

854
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,320
believes in ghosts.
So let's do some ghostly shit.

855
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,160
Hell yeah.
I would definitely be doing

856
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,280
that.
See, be careful, people.

857
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,080
I mean, be careful, of course,
but also understand, you know,

858
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,600
this is my soapbox.
You have power over anything you

859
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,200
know.
If you believe something's going

860
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,680
to overtake you, it will
overtake you.

861
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Again, but intent, Yeah, intent.
Intent in hearts, Yeah, yeah,

862
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,840
yeah.
OK.

863
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,600
So where Edward Hughes, who's
the Catholic priest they

864
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,680
actually connect with, he
conducts the exorcism on Roland

865
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,120
at the Georgetown University
Hospital, which is a Jesuit,

866
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Jesuit institution.
It's a Catholic institution.

867
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:09,150
So during the the exorcism
itself, he Roland slipped one of

868
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:12,990
his hands out of a restraint,
broke a bed straight, a bed

869
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:17,150
spring from under his mattress
and used it as a weapon.

870
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:21,150
So grabs one of those springs,
uses that as a weapon, slashing

871
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:25,590
the priests arm and actually
results in the exorcism being

872
00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:27,590
like ending.
You're right, you know, sure,

873
00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:28,710
because he has to take care of
it.

874
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:30,870
So the family ends up traveling
to St.

875
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:37,270
Louis where his Roland's cousin
was contacted contacted one of

876
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:42,430
the professors at Saint Louis
University, Bishop, who who

877
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:47,230
spoke to William S Bodern, an
associate at college Church.

878
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:51,390
So together both of the priests
actually visited Roland's home

879
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:56,070
with the at his parents place
where they said that there was a

880
00:49:56,070 --> 00:49:59,870
shaking bed, flying objects, and
the boy was speaking in a

881
00:49:59,870 --> 00:50:03,510
guttural voice and exhibiting an
aversion to anything sacred.

882
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:06,400
Right.
So we're kind of crossing off a

883
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,400
lot of those things.
So bird boater and was actually

884
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,520
granted position, permission
from the Archbishop to perform

885
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,760
another exorcism.
So he's already done one.

886
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,160
They had to end it quick.
Now he's, you know, they've

887
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,320
gotten permission to do a
second.

888
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:29,000
Take two, take two.
So the next exorcism takes place

889
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,910
at another hospital in South St.
Louis, MO.

890
00:50:34,030 --> 00:50:38,950
So before the exorcism like
began the that ritual, another

891
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:43,510
priest, Walter Halloran, was
called as the psychiatric wing

892
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:46,710
of the hospital where he was
asked to assist the priest.

893
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:50,710
Bodern.
William Van Rue was a third

894
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:53,310
Jesuit priest.
So we have like 3 fucking

895
00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:56,430
priests in there also there,
yeah?

896
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:59,910
At this point I would have an
army because I'm like, what the

897
00:50:59,950 --> 00:51:02,030
fuck?
What the fuck this guy's been

898
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:03,710
like.
His arm was slashed by a bed

899
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:05,310
spring.
The kids somehow grabbed.

900
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:09,150
Yeah.
Halloran actually stated during

901
00:51:09,350 --> 00:51:14,630
this scene that words like evil
and hell, along with other marks

902
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:19,870
started happening on the child.
There's another another level.

903
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:22,570
So it's yeah, it's like Pal is
written on his book.

904
00:51:22,610 --> 00:51:25,090
Oh my God, he has like all these
marks that are not.

905
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:27,970
There's no one there, right?
Like he's checking all the

906
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:29,490
boxes.
Exactly.

907
00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:34,130
So allegedly, during the Litany
of Saints portion of the

908
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:37,330
exorcism ritual.
It's part of the ritual The

909
00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:38,810
mattress began to shake.
Right?

910
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:45,890
Right.
And Roland, the kid broke

911
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:48,290
Halloran's nose during the
process.

912
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:51,970
So he broke his nose.
And the priest told the a

913
00:51:51,970 --> 00:51:55,570
reporter that after the right
was over, the anonymous subject

914
00:51:55,610 --> 00:52:00,010
of the exorcism went odd to lead
a rather ordinary life.

915
00:52:00,770 --> 00:52:02,650
So he's like, yeah, all this
shit happened.

916
00:52:02,810 --> 00:52:04,650
He had hell written on his like
thing.

917
00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:09,770
He broke someone's nose.
He, you know, got a fucking bed

918
00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:12,890
spring out from underneath his
bed, you know hurt someone.

919
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:17,370
And he was, he lived a normal
life afterwards because his the

920
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:25,320
guy is like like who he was has
never come out.

921
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,840
We don't know who he was.
He's always been like anonymous.

922
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,560
Yeah.
So we don't know who the guy

923
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,920
was.
But the priest is like, yeah, he

924
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,920
lived a normal life.
After we we're done with it.

925
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Oh my God, yeah.
Which is, I think it's kind of

926
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:46,160
interesting that they talk about
it, because here's the thing,

927
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,160
we've never heard of who this
person actually is.

928
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,000
And just like you're probably
thinking right now, there's so

929
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,600
many fucking questions that I
have.

930
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,320
So many questions, yeah.
And everyone's had like, you

931
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,960
know, The Exorcist came out,
which that book was based off of

932
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,440
Sounds.
Very like The Exorcist, right?

933
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,200
Made a lot of money.
The book made a bunch.

934
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,040
Of money you go, Yeah.
See my little skeptical hats

935
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,940
coming on.
Well, it's just because it's so

936
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:22,060
because there's only question,
yeah.

937
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:24,300
And you don't have anyone to ask
them to.

938
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:27,380
You can't be like, oh, it's, you
know, Josh, you know, whatever

939
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:29,780
down the street.
We've talked to him.

940
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:33,300
He said it happened right.
Now he works in like, yeah, now

941
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:34,780
he works as like a fucking
welder.

942
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:36,060
And he lives a totally normal
life.

943
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:37,740
That's right, Josh.
I'm going to hear from your

944
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:40,780
perspective.
Well, like you and I, we have

945
00:53:40,780 --> 00:53:44,590
questions.
Thomas B Allen wants to

946
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:46,750
investigate this.
He has questions.

947
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:52,750
So he actually wrote a book
called in 1993 called Possessed

948
00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:59,910
the True Story of an Exorcism.
And what he found was the expert

949
00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:03,790
said that Robbie was just a
deeply disturbed boy and there

950
00:54:03,790 --> 00:54:05,710
was nothing supernatural about
him.

951
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:10,930
So another author, Mark
opposite, opposite Nick

952
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:16,250
questioned many of those
supernatural stories and he's

953
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:19,170
he's proposing that like Roland
Dole was just a spoiled,

954
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:21,970
disturbed bully who threw
deliberate tantrums to get

955
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:23,890
attention or to get out of
school.

956
00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:30,090
So he also said that he just
mimicked Latin words that he had

957
00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:34,620
heard.
Now, ultimately, during the

958
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:39,140
investigation, this guy was like
going through He found that the

959
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:43,500
exorcism did not take place at
3210 Bunker Hill Rd.

960
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:47,220
And Mount Rainier MD.
Like the the writings had

961
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:49,660
suggested.
He said that the boy never had

962
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:53,140
even lived in Mount Rainier.
So like, once again, it's like

963
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:54,940
okay.
Well, the story's off, the

964
00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:56,300
story's off.
Period.

965
00:54:57,140 --> 00:55:01,700
OK, the boys home was in Cottage
City, MD.

966
00:55:01,940 --> 00:55:05,180
Much of A commonly accepted
information about those stories

967
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:08,940
actually based on hearsay.
It's not documented and it was

968
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:14,780
never really fact checked.
OK, there is no evidence that

969
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:18,820
Father E Albert Hughes visited
the boys home and admitted him

970
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:22,890
to Georgetown Hospital.
There's no evidence that he had

971
00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:27,770
requested the boy be restrained
like they say that he was, that

972
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:31,290
there was ever even an exorcism
that occurred at Georgetown

973
00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:36,090
Hospital or that that he was
injured by a boy during an

974
00:55:36,090 --> 00:55:38,370
exorcism or even at anytime on
his arm.

975
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:45,720
So there is a lot of evidence
refuting the claims that, like

976
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,400
after the exorcism was done or
during that time, that Father

977
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,080
Hughes had suffered an emotional
breakdown, which is like one of

978
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,040
the things that they believed
had happened and disappeared

979
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,880
from from that community.
A lot of this is just

980
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,800
speculation, right?
Psychiatrists look at a lot of

981
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,840
the symptoms that they talk
about.

982
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,880
Roland Dough like experiencing,
and they're like he has mental

983
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,680
illness.
To priests, it's a case of

984
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,880
demonic possession.
Right to to like people like

985
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,480
directors and producers like,
oh, we can make a movie out of

986
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,280
this and make a lot of money,
but in reality, you know the

987
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,760
people who are who are doing
this, they are seeing what they

988
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,160
were trained to see.
You want to believe that

989
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,760
possessions occurring, it's
going to occur, right?

990
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,980
Is that necessarily the case?
I mean, I don't know.

991
00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:44,940
I I think so.
Like he also spoke to kids who

992
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:48,420
knew the kid, the person who
this happened.

993
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:51,780
To the person that's researching
it, spoke to people that knew

994
00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:56,340
the guy that got possessed.
And neighbors and childhood

995
00:56:56,340 --> 00:57:00,690
friends of the boy he actually
has spoken to and they.

996
00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:04,290
And he concluded that the boy
had been a very clever trickster

997
00:57:04,570 --> 00:57:07,330
who had pulled pranks to
frighten his mother and to fool

998
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:13,210
children in the neighborhood.
OK, now I am having so many

999
00:57:13,210 --> 00:57:17,770
mixed I know thoughts.
I think like and they talk about

1000
00:57:17,770 --> 00:57:24,050
tantrums and like trances and
moved furniture, hold objects,

1001
00:57:24,050 --> 00:57:26,090
automatic writing, superficial
scratches.

1002
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:31,040
They're just the kinds of things
that someone at Roland's age

1003
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,840
would do because he's hormonal
and frustrating.

1004
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,720
So then, so then the question
that I keeps coming back to my

1005
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,400
head is what about the hell, the
word on his body?

1006
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,760
What was the word?
Hell.

1007
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,680
Yep.
Hell yeah.

1008
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,240
So.
Then you go was So is that just

1009
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:53,680
like sensationalized by someone?
Was that like, well, it?

1010
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,080
Probably just happened in front
of my face, but I saw it on his

1011
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,520
chest.
Or you know what I mean?

1012
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,680
Like, right.
Yeah.

1013
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Like, is this actually for real?
Is this something or is it?

1014
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,280
I mean, here's the thing.
You have skeptics who are going

1015
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080
to refute it.
Of course you have like

1016
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,880
religious people who are going
to say this is proof that you

1017
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,960
know God exists and devil the
devil exists and like we there's

1018
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,600
spiritual warfare actually
happening.

1019
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,600
Of course I think he could
probably take it, like there's

1020
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,360
the answer is probably somewhere
in between.

1021
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,400
But right.
I didn't realize that there are

1022
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,040
quite a few people who actually
knew who this kid was and was

1023
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,640
like, yeah, yeah, no, he's an
asshole of a kid.

1024
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,480
So he knew who he was, that he
ever talked to him.

1025
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,280
I don't think he, I mean it
doesn't say that he spoke to

1026
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,640
him.
That would be a great answer.

1027
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,400
And like what they say is like
this.

1028
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,620
At least what I've seen is like
this person doesn't necessarily

1029
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:45,260
want to talk about it.
They keep going with their

1030
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:45,820
lives.
Fair enough.

1031
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:52,740
But I'm sorry if he had, OK, I
think from both sides, like if

1032
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:56,220
you were a Dick when you were a
14 year old, like you wouldn't

1033
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:58,660
want to talk about it.
But if you weren't fair enough,

1034
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:01,020
like and that was actually a
legitimate thing that happened

1035
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:05,500
to you, you're like, that was
like 3 weeks of my life.

1036
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:07,580
I've done a lot more.
I'm more.

1037
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:09,700
Than that.
More than that, I don't want to

1038
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:13,130
talk about it anymore, you know,
which I so I could kind of see

1039
00:59:14,090 --> 00:59:18,690
how that goes.
I I don't know.

1040
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:21,530
Well, I guess the jury's out on
that.

1041
00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:25,890
Yeah, jury's out, so jury's out.
There's another exorcism that

1042
00:59:25,890 --> 00:59:28,290
happened a little bit more
recently that I had never heard

1043
00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:32,570
of, and it was.
It's called the Tan Tanaku

1044
00:59:32,610 --> 00:59:36,590
exorcism.
So ultimately 1989 Romania,

1045
00:59:36,590 --> 00:59:39,110
that's where it takes place.
What you need to know is that

1046
00:59:39,590 --> 00:59:43,830
Romania used to be a socialist
country and go figure you know

1047
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:46,190
socialist country fell.
That's kind of what happens.

1048
00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:55,110
It was also atheist and since
the fall, the fall of of the of

1049
00:59:55,110 --> 01:00:00,070
socialism, there was no longer
persecution against Catholics

1050
01:00:00,070 --> 01:00:03,710
and Christians which.
In Romania?

1051
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:05,830
And what happens when people are
told that they can't do

1052
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:08,550
something, they do it.
They want to do it even more

1053
01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:10,790
like, oh, you're telling me I
can't be a Christian, I can't be

1054
01:00:10,790 --> 01:00:12,150
a Catholic?
Yeah, I know.

1055
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:13,830
I want to be anymore.
That's what I want to be.

1056
01:00:13,830 --> 01:00:16,350
Yeah, exactly like, OK, mom and
dad.

1057
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:21,310
So religion becomes incredibly
popular after the the fall of

1058
01:00:21,590 --> 01:00:26,230
socialist Romania and there's a
huge surge of Christian

1059
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:29,830
monasticism.
Christian monasticism is like

1060
01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:33,990
think like nuns and like people
who devote their life to Christ

1061
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:38,350
and stuff like the Catholic
version of of convents and

1062
01:00:38,350 --> 01:00:42,230
monasteries, so in the
countryside.

1063
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:45,590
So the hot thing was to do was
to grab your friend and join a

1064
01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:48,990
convent or a monastery.
Fast forward to January 20,

1065
01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:55,750
2523.
Year old Marcisia moves to the

1066
01:00:55,750 --> 01:01:01,870
Tanaku monastery at at the the
urging of her of her friend.

1067
01:01:03,070 --> 01:01:06,950
So at that young age she'd
actually seen some real shit.

1068
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:09,550
She was only 23 years old and
her family was actually pretty

1069
01:01:09,550 --> 01:01:13,190
dysfunctional.
She actually found her father

1070
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:16,950
after he had committed suicide.
She and her brother had grown up

1071
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:21,090
in an orphanage because of that,
and when she was 19, she worked

1072
01:01:21,090 --> 01:01:26,650
as a nanny in Germany and then
for another family in Romania.

1073
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:30,050
A friend of hers from this
orphanage was like, yeah, come

1074
01:01:30,050 --> 01:01:33,530
to this monastery and be a nun
with me.

1075
01:01:33,850 --> 01:01:36,200
Like, what else are you going to
do right now?

1076
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,440
There's some speculation Word on
the street or like in the

1077
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,120
stories that I've read about
her, her father had sexually

1078
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,400
abused her.
She did not want to be seen as a

1079
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,680
sexual object.
She would always wear very baggy

1080
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,320
clothes.
So being a nun, A cloistered

1081
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,720
nun, not having to have sexual,
you know, intimacy with a man or

1082
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,480
with anyone with something, that
was very appealing to her.

1083
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,960
So of course she would seek out
and become a nun.

1084
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:09,250
So soon after becoming a nun,
she actually starts giggling

1085
01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:13,650
during mass okay.
And by April her mental state

1086
01:02:13,650 --> 01:02:18,970
deteriorates and doctors at the
local psychiatric hospital in

1087
01:02:18,970 --> 01:02:22,530
Romania diagnosed her as having
schizophrenia.

1088
01:02:24,130 --> 01:02:26,650
Which is a very common thing
that happens to people who have

1089
01:02:26,650 --> 01:02:30,810
been, who have one gone through
trauma like children who have

1090
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:34,570
gone through a ton of trauma and
who have had sexual like you

1091
01:02:34,570 --> 01:02:38,200
know, sexual trauma.
It's very very common

1092
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,560
unfortunately.
So after two week treatment they

1093
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,560
released her into the care of
the monastery.

1094
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,320
So her friends also say that she
never exhibited any other signs

1095
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,960
of mental illness.
When she came back her brother

1096
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,120
said that he was with her.
When he he said that, he saw

1097
01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:00,760
once again Satan go into her
after the fact and said she

1098
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,690
suffered demonic possession.
So we're going to talk about

1099
01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:06,090
this dude.
I'm not even going to call him

1100
01:03:06,090 --> 01:03:10,610
Father anything because he was
never an ordained fucking, you

1101
01:03:10,610 --> 01:03:13,370
know, priest.
We're going to call him Daniel,

1102
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:15,530
Daniel the fucking Dick.
Okay.

1103
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:19,810
He's a 29 year old priest of
this monastery.

1104
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:25,350
Before becoming a man of the
cloth, he was a football player

1105
01:03:25,870 --> 01:03:28,710
in a local like town, his own
hometown.

1106
01:03:29,310 --> 01:03:32,790
And he began following religious
studies at the at the

1107
01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:34,870
university.
And after he could not secure

1108
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:42,230
admission to another university,
the University of Bucharest, he

1109
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:45,230
which is where he wanted to
study sports or law which is,

1110
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:49,710
yeah exactly what you want your
fucking priest to be studying.

1111
01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:52,600
He he's like, OK, what am I
going to do?

1112
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Well, a year later a businessman
from his hometown reaches out to

1113
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,120
him and recruits him and says,
hey, look, there's this

1114
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,640
monastery.
Let's try building it near the

1115
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,560
hills of the city.
There's like money to be made.

1116
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,600
So he was ordained by the local
Bishop who expected that he

1117
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,120
would continue his studies.
So that's the only reason he was

1118
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:15,800
even ordained to begin with.
He was like, yeah, I'm not going

1119
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,980
to continue my studies actually.
And he gave up his university

1120
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:23,260
and education to devote himself
to running this monastery.

1121
01:04:24,980 --> 01:04:27,980
This is not common practice and
it's not okay.

1122
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:31,420
The dude was like really
ignoring the normal steps that

1123
01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:34,420
you would take to become a
priest, like or like actually

1124
01:04:34,420 --> 01:04:36,740
ordained that you'd have to.
You have to finish school, You

1125
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:40,300
have to do all these things.
The guy has 0 credentials and

1126
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:44,540
he's starting this monastery
okay and he has a beard as

1127
01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:46,820
bright as lava.
I'm not kidding you like, you

1128
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:48,780
see pictures of this dude, It's
like fucking.

1129
01:04:48,860 --> 01:04:52,540
He wears all black, bright red
beard, bright red hair.

1130
01:04:52,540 --> 01:04:54,100
You're like, that cannot be
natural.

1131
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:57,620
But it is.
Yeah, like he's he's a fucking

1132
01:04:57,620 --> 01:05:00,540
yeah, totally.
So the archdiocese hears about

1133
01:05:00,540 --> 01:05:03,580
him and they're like, you cannot
start this community, you cannot

1134
01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:06,860
start this monastery.
This is not kosher.

1135
01:05:06,860 --> 01:05:10,860
You do not have our blessing.
And he's like it's like already

1136
01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:15,000
dead already did it.
Look at these devout lady nuns

1137
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,320
who all love me because they
love my fucking red beard and

1138
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,080
shit.
They will do whatever I want

1139
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,960
them to do.
So go figure.

1140
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,040
Daniel Redbeard sees our girl
who's having these mental

1141
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,760
decision like issues and says
easy, easy prank, right?

1142
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,240
Possession.
She's possessed by the devil.

1143
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,520
And not not just like any
possession.

1144
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,640
Possession by the devil himself.
Lucifer, right?

1145
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:44,430
He'd say.
Like later on, like after the

1146
01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:47,670
fact, he would say that you
can't take the devil out of

1147
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:54,470
people with pills.
Take the devil out of people

1148
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:56,510
with pills.
Oh, got it.

1149
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:57,550
I understand.
Yeah.

1150
01:05:57,550 --> 01:06:03,430
So in other words, I can do it
because I'm a man of the cloth,

1151
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:06,990
but you can't do it with your
shrinkness and your medication.

1152
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:09,310
Yeah.
It's not schizophrenia.

1153
01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:12,570
Yeah, it's the devil.
You shouldn't be taking these

1154
01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:13,650
fucking.
Yeah.

1155
01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:15,890
You can't take the devil out of
people with a pill.

1156
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:17,210
Yeah, it's like extreme.
It's.

1157
01:06:17,290 --> 01:06:19,410
And it's he's an extremist,
right.

1158
01:06:20,090 --> 01:06:27,330
And so our girl was, rightly so.
He's like, you know, she needs

1159
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:30,490
an exorcism.
They come in, grab her like you

1160
01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:32,090
need an exorcism.
And rightly so.

1161
01:06:32,090 --> 01:06:35,250
She's like, no, I don't want an
exorcism.

1162
01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:36,850
I'm not going to have an
exorcism.

1163
01:06:36,850 --> 01:06:40,530
So she starts, like, throwing up
like herself about and starts

1164
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:43,090
hurting herself because they're
trying to, you know, restrain

1165
01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:46,130
her.
So like, oh, she's gonna be a

1166
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:48,490
harm for herself.
She is possessed.

1167
01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:50,650
She is possessed.
Yeah, this is like crazy.

1168
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:52,570
This is crazy.
A crazy reactions.

1169
01:06:52,570 --> 01:06:56,090
Like, no, you guys are coming,
literally cornering her and

1170
01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:58,410
saying you shouldn't be taking
like she's been diagnosed just

1171
01:06:58,410 --> 01:06:59,530
schizophrenic.
OK, God.

1172
01:07:00,130 --> 01:07:04,560
So the nuns bound her feet and
hands and locked her in her room

1173
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,360
while they made some like she
did.

1174
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,120
They did some like lame church
things, but they left her alone

1175
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:17,680
a few days later.
A few days later, they straight

1176
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,720
up chained her to a cross and
carried her into the church so

1177
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,680
that they could anoint her.
OK.

1178
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,000
Gross.
Let's just like say this has not

1179
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,910
this was not okayed by an
Archbishop.

1180
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:35,390
She's not exhibiting all of
those, you know, just continues

1181
01:07:36,350 --> 01:07:40,110
that fucking boils my blood.
She's been diagnosed as

1182
01:07:40,110 --> 01:07:42,630
schizophrenic and yet they're
still doing this, right?

1183
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:45,390
So according.
To He's still doing it, He's

1184
01:07:45,390 --> 01:07:47,910
still doing it well.
And the nuns, they're all doing

1185
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:49,230
it.
They'll do whatever they want,

1186
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:51,350
whatever he wants them to.
Do them to do.

1187
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:55,230
Yeah, sure.
So according to one of the

1188
01:07:55,230 --> 01:07:59,040
sisters, they said that if she
hadn't, if our girl hadn't been

1189
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,160
restrained, that she could have
either killed herself or killed

1190
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,720
someone else.
That's why they had to train her

1191
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:11,280
to a fucking cross.
So she said that that our girl

1192
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,319
arena actually knew that she was
possessed by evil spirits

1193
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,279
because she was begging us to
tie her up.

1194
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,560
So she knew she wanted us to tie
her up.

1195
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,560
Her wrists and her forehead were
then anointed with holy oil, and

1196
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,760
then she was kept in it in the
church for three days.

1197
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,720
They put a towel to her mouth to
stop her from cursing.

1198
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,680
So they put one inside of her
mouth and they prayed to cast

1199
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,840
out the devil as they wet their
her lips with holy water.

1200
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,279
Yeah.
So she was then moved from her

1201
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:53,439
room and united.
And when she was, according to

1202
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:58,109
that fucking Daniel, the Dick,
she was cured.

1203
01:08:59,350 --> 01:09:00,710
She was cured.
Everything was good.

1204
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:04,109
Yeah.
So we gave her bread and tea,

1205
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:05,990
and then she fainted.
After eating.

1206
01:09:07,029 --> 01:09:11,189
The nuns were unable to wake her
up and they checked her pulse

1207
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:13,029
and she she was feeling weak.
Oh, I don't know.

1208
01:09:13,029 --> 01:09:17,109
Maybe because she had been like,
like, left alone and unable to

1209
01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:20,029
move or do anything for fucking
a week or so.

1210
01:09:20,830 --> 01:09:23,830
So they called an ambulance.
And while in the ambulance, she

1211
01:09:23,830 --> 01:09:28,950
was administered 6 doses of
adrenaline. 6 doses.

1212
01:09:29,310 --> 01:09:31,350
By the time she reached the
hospital, she was dead.

1213
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:34,630
Yeah.
So the police were actually

1214
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:38,790
notified by the doctors at the
hospital and they actually noted

1215
01:09:38,790 --> 01:09:40,390
like, she had marks on her
wrist.

1216
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:45,279
This is not normal.
She's 23 years old and the 2005

1217
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,520
autopsy actually claimed that
she had died of dehydration,

1218
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,840
exhaustion and lack of oxygen.
No, Satan took it out of her.

1219
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:52,080
Yeah.
Yeah.

1220
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,560
No, no, it was definitely Satan.
Satan.

1221
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:00,520
So Daniel, that fucking fake
priest, and those four nuns who

1222
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,440
helped him were actually charged
with murder, thank God, in

1223
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,840
Romania.
Yeah, and depriving a person of

1224
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,720
of liberty, so.
Yeah, that's called kidnapping.

1225
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:20,950
They actually tried getting the
priest with a life sentence, but

1226
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:25,830
he was sentenced in 2007 with 14
years in prison, while those

1227
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:29,830
four nuns were sentenced between
5:00 and eight years each.

1228
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:35,510
So many of the people in that
courtroom, you know, that Daniel

1229
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:38,070
fucking Red Beard, like he had a
huge following.

1230
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:39,630
So they were there to support
him.

1231
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:42,190
Exactly.
Exactly.

1232
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:48,200
And the Quarter of Appeals did
reduce his sentence to seven

1233
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,600
years.
And he was freed from parole and

1234
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:56,160
November 2011, after serving
just 2/3 of his punishment.

1235
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,840
Yeah.
Has he started another cult?

1236
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,120
That's a great question.
I wonder where he is.

1237
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,400
I mean, no matter what, we
should just, like, ostracize him

1238
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,640
and yell shame every fucking
time you see him.

1239
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:13,190
Like, fuck you, motherfucker.
But our girl, they say that she

1240
01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:15,830
was lowered into her grave
during her funeral.

1241
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:20,070
Claps of Thunder were heard and
fucking Daniel was like, Oh

1242
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:22,270
yeah, the will of God has been
done.

1243
01:11:22,750 --> 01:11:24,390
This is like proof.
Thanking me.

1244
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:26,990
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is we did the right thing.

1245
01:11:27,710 --> 01:11:30,790
So ultimately the Romanian
Orthodox Church closed down the

1246
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:34,790
monastery and they had Daniel
defrocked.

1247
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:38,590
So he was, he's no longer
allowed to serve as an ordained

1248
01:11:38,590 --> 01:11:43,120
priest.
So there was the coroner who

1249
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,400
eventually says I was part of
the team who handled the they

1250
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,040
exhumed her body and it was
concluded that the woman died,

1251
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,920
actually, of overdose, of
adrenaline, he said.

1252
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,400
I don't know why the judges did
not take that into account, that

1253
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,080
it wasn't just dehydration and
stuff.

1254
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,000
And he said that my biggest
mistake was that I called the,

1255
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:08,470
excuse me, the father fucking
Daniel, the Deck said.

1256
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:10,630
My biggest mistake was that I
called the ambulance when I saw

1257
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:13,110
that she was not moving.
I think she died because the

1258
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:16,150
medics who came with the
ambulance tried to resuscitate

1259
01:12:16,150 --> 01:12:17,710
her by giving her too much
adrenaline.

1260
01:12:17,790 --> 01:12:20,270
The medics killed her.
It wasn't me.

1261
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:23,590
No, I had nothing to do with it.
No, she would be totally fine if

1262
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:26,470
it weren't for the.
The medics in their adrenaline,

1263
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:30,030
yeah.
So in that town, Tanaka, like

1264
01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:33,990
they a lot of people still think
that she was possessed instead

1265
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:37,950
of mentally ill, although she
had been diagnosed as

1266
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:44,430
schizophrenic and that that
Daniel had actually helped her

1267
01:12:44,710 --> 01:12:50,630
at that point.
I think that they like people

1268
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:52,510
are like, Oh well, they took her
to the hospital alive.

1269
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:55,070
The medics were the ones who,
you know, she was still alive

1270
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:58,430
when she left here.
They killed her and there was

1271
01:12:58,430 --> 01:13:04,630
actually a movie in 2012 exactly
the called Beyond the Hills that

1272
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:11,110
was based on on this story.
And the Crucifixion also in 2017

1273
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:15,870
was also based on on the story.
I mean look like I think there

1274
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:19,230
are genuine cases.
Potentially of exorcism.

1275
01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:27,980
I do think that unfortunately
often times people, especially

1276
01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:32,220
back in like in the medieval
ages, like they do confuse

1277
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:36,580
mental illness with.
Or sure, yeah.

1278
01:13:36,740 --> 01:13:40,380
And like you said, sometimes
they can be together.

1279
01:13:40,460 --> 01:13:43,060
Yeah, absolutely.
But they can be together.

1280
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:47,580
I I think that one taking into
account persons, free will and

1281
01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:51,530
the fact that every single one
of us have the ability to rise

1282
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:55,370
above and to choose to seek out
mental help like there are

1283
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:58,330
other.
There are other cases that I

1284
01:13:58,330 --> 01:14:01,930
could have taken, like exorcism
cases, but like the case of like

1285
01:14:01,930 --> 01:14:05,930
Annalise, like that the exorcism
Emily Rose was based off of,

1286
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:09,650
like that was clearly she was
very mentally unwell, she was

1287
01:14:09,650 --> 01:14:14,420
very mentally ill And I think
oftentimes people take advantage

1288
01:14:14,540 --> 01:14:18,380
of mentally ill folks and women
mainly, mainly women, right?

1289
01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:23,740
And these women die at the
because they're poor at the

1290
01:14:23,740 --> 01:14:27,620
hands of people who want to do
sadistic shit in the name of

1291
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:29,940
religion.
It's unfortunate.

1292
01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:33,220
I know.
Wow.

1293
01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:35,060
So insanity.
Yeah.

1294
01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:37,500
You know, like like you said,
like, I think there's some

1295
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:39,940
legit.
Things and whether those two

1296
01:14:39,940 --> 01:14:42,940
have some legit in stuff in
them, I mean who know who's to

1297
01:14:42,940 --> 01:14:47,580
say.
But yeah, I think there, I think

1298
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:50,980
there's some, there's something
there, there's something there.

1299
01:14:50,980 --> 01:14:54,780
But like, does it have to?
Is it always the answer to try

1300
01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:56,300
to like?
Right.

1301
01:14:56,460 --> 01:15:00,220
I think the answers now right.
So I would agree, mental mental

1302
01:15:00,220 --> 01:15:03,100
health is a very important
thing, exactly that we need to

1303
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:06,270
keep and we know more about.
So we need to keep that at the

1304
01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:09,790
forefront of our minds.
Yes, it's not all about Satan.

1305
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:11,910
No, it's not.
It's not all those Satan's

1306
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:13,550
fucking.
Punk rock?

1307
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:14,350
Not today.
Satan.

1308
01:15:14,430 --> 01:15:16,910
Yeah, not today, Satan.
Period.

1309
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:19,350
Thanks for the episode.
Yeah, thank you.

1310
01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:22,190
And it's been great looking at
you this entire time because you

1311
01:15:22,190 --> 01:15:24,070
look so cute.
So we both look so cute.

1312
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:25,910
OK all.
Right.

1313
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:26,990
We'll talk to you soon.
See you later.