The abduction of Travis Walton

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Hello, Bizarre Story friends.
You've tuned in at The Bizarre

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the strange, the unusual, the

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unknown, and all things bizarre
AF.

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I'm Kevin.
I'm going to be your host for

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today's episode, and as always,
we ask that you keep an open

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mind.
Keep a skeptical ear, but keep

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listening to those facts as we
take you on our newest journey,

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the abduction of Travis Walton
The well.

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Hello everyone and welcome to
our latest episode and please

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welcome my Co host Tess with the
most Tess Alasha.

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Hi, Alasha.
How are we doing today?

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Good.
How are you doing Ta da?

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I'm good.
I'm really good.

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I'm super stoked.
And it's not the pineapple wine.

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That's isn't it amazing?
Yes, it's Kevin and Dan, right?

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Are good friends, friends of the
pod.

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Maui, Maui, Yeah, some kind of
Maui Blanc thing.

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Yeah, yeah, but it's a pineapple
wine.

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Yeah.
Normally we have like Cava or

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something a little bit sparkly
which is our fave but.

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Twist it up a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, do something a

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little bit funky and like,
cheers, cheers.

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Yes, thanks.
We have a lot to celebrate.

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We were just talking and I am
excited about us going to on a

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little road trip.
So you guys, we're gonna have to

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stay tuned.
Yeah, Yeah, we're really, it's

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gonna be so much fun and we're
gonna bring you along.

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But that's like we were talking
about it.

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We really are gonna start
ramping up our social media.

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So this is part of it and the
summer of 2024 we're in 2024.

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Right.
Yeah, we are.

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We're in the future, in the
past.

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I don't know.
It's a bizarre world.

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Right?
Exactly.

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Yeah.
So I think this is like the

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start of us, like kind of bring
you guys into our our own world

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and getting really weird.
Yeah.

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I'm excited.
Yeah.

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I'm super stoked.
Yeah.

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So, yeah.
So stay tuned.

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Some cool stuff's gonna be gonna
be coming up.

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Yeah.
So Alicia, have you ever heard

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of APRO or APRO?
Not AARP.

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No.
The thing that I could.

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Recently just start joining.
No, not.

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Oh my God, you don't even look
like it.

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No thank you.
No, not that thing.

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No, no apro you never heard of.
It no.

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Tell me.
Tell me all about it.

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Aerial phenomena research
organization.

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Oh my God.
OK, Yeah.

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Right, right up your alley.
Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

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They receive hundreds of USFO
reports.

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I mean like they are the place.
That's where you're gonna go.

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That's where you need.
To go if you see.

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Something yeah, like legit go
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, but in in November of
1975, they're going to they get

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a report that's right in their
very own backyard.

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It's going to change everything.
Oh my God, I I know that we've

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said this before, but like, I
have a feeling I'm going to be

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scared tonight.
This.

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I'm OK.
Listen, you did, Betty and

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Barney Hill.
Yeah.

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Shit was real.
Yeah, that's real.

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It's real.
Yeah.

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This one so real.
Fuck Kevin, I'm sleeping alone

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tonight, can I get Gizmo?
Yeah, you can.

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You can.
Gizmo the dog I need to get him

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I'm just sleeping with.
Me now this is this is the real

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deal girl.
OK.

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Like it like it's so like, if
you don't believe it after this,

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then there's something wrong
with you.

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Right.
Yeah, this is the.

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Real deal.
Like he's the real deal, this

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whole story.
Is real.

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I'm not even lying.
It's real.

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Strap up, strap in, here we go.
OK Snowflake AZ.

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Oh, my God.
I know, Snowflake.

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OK, Do you?
Yeah, I do.

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OK, small town.
It's a very.

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It's a.
Tiny, Yeah.

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Little town, Yeah.
It's got maybe 6000 people.

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It's about 30 miles away from
the Apache National Forest.

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And on November 5th of 1975, 7
loggers pack up after a long day

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of logging up in the mountains.
Doing some real manly.

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Real manly work and they are
tired and they want to go home.

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So their names are Mike Rogers,
Steve Pierce, Kenny Pearson,

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Allen Dallas, Dwayne Smith, John
Goulet and Travis Walton.

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And they're all getting in the
truck and Mike's the foreman and

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they're all, you know, friends.
I mean, they're loggers.

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They do this is what they do.
They get hired to go do these

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clearings.
Right.

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It's like huge clearings and
it's like it's very blue collar

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work.
Yep.

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Yep.
Very much like.

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Everyone knows them small town,
you know, right?

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Sure.
So they're working up sun up

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sundown and so starting to get
dark and they start there what's

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ultimately a 45 minute drive
back down to Snowflake because

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they're up in the mountains.
Yeah.

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And so keep in mind, like,
there's not like some freeway

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they hop on after work.
Like they have to drive down the

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mountain like these wooded
forestry Kirby roads to get to

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like a main road to then to get
home, Right.

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So they hadn't driven far at
all, like maybe 1/4 of a mile.

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And then they noticed something
really weird.

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They like see this bright light
through the trees.

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Oh my God.
Now a few of them after the

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fact, they say they think it's
the moon.

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They think suddenly the moon is
shining through the trees.

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Sure, like a full moon or
something.

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But then they're like, wait, the
moon's fucking over there.

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Oh no.
So they're like what is

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happening?
And so they're driving through

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the the Bindi Rd. and as soon as
they come around this one bend,

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they see it.
What?

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It's this clearing.
It's a small clearing on the

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side and there's this big thing
hovering above the ground that

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they've never seen before.
Yeah, it's not a moon.

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It's clearly not a moon.
And they describe it as kind of

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glowing from the inside.
It's kind of how they described

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it.
It was just kind of like

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radiating this light.
And it was kind of hard to

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describe, but they knew it was.
It was like a shape of a saucer.

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It was like a this UFO like,
well, you would think of a UFO.

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And before Mike could actually
even fully stop the truck,

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Travis Walton, he opens the door
and is like walking out of the

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truck.
He's like, in some like, weird

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trance.
Oh, he's dead.

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Yeah.
He's like, he's like.

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He can't.
He.

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Oh, so he's like, he's like a
moth.

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Like, yes, like a moth flame.
Yeah, exactly.

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So he's like, like, just like
transfixed on this line.

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Exactly, exactly, exactly.
And so he's kind of walking over

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there, you know, pretty quick.
And then he stops for a second

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and then soon as he stops, like
the ship starts making an

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audible noise like this rumble.
And Mike said he could actually

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feel the steering wheel vibrate.
Of the ship.

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He could feel of steering wheel
of his truck vibrating from the

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sound of this ship that the ship
was making.

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Oh my gosh.
That's kind of how loud it was.

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And they described this blue
kind of green light.

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It starts to emit from the shape
of the ship.

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And it was so bright that Mike
said he real he could see the

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hood of his truck glowing.
That's how bright this this was.

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Oh.
My God.

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Suddenly, this light, it shoots
out of the ship.

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It hits Travis Walton in the
chest.

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Oh no, 'cause he was the idiot
who got out.

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Shoots him back like 10 or 15
feet.

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And Mike said that it was so
forceful that he actually saw

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Travis like bounce off the
ground.

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Like when he hit it bounced him
off the ground.

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He could see him bounce.
That's some force.

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Well, the mic is like
unconscious, so sorry, Travis is

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unconscious.
So Mike's freaking out.

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All the guys are freaking out.
So Travis like steps on the gas

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and like out of here 'cause
they're like, well, Travis is

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dead.
I mean, just fucking killed

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Travis.
Let's be honest, 1 blue collar

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collar workers, they don't fuck
around.

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They don't fuck around with shit
right?

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Like they do not, it's not like,
oh, maybe this is like, you

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know, some kind of like, you
know, let's just check it out.

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Yeah, let's like go and check
it.

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No, you do not check it out.
You just like, move on.

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You don't question you can you
move on.

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But he goes towards that.
They see their friend bounce off

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the fucking ground from the
force and then one dude opens up

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the fucking car door.
I don't know.

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I I want to believe I'm a good
friend.

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I want to believe I'm a good
person.

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Well, and they're screaming at
him too.

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Like to.
Stop in the car, yeah, but it's

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like nothing stopping.
Him.

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He is.
He's like a moth to flame.

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He cannot stop.
And you would, you would go

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like, oh, would I go help him?
But like you saw him got shoot

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by a laser bounce off the
ground.

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You're like fuck, am I next?
I, I think I would be in such

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shock that yeah, there's no way
I wouldn't.

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I would not.
Well, he, he stepped on the gas

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speed out of there, drives about
1/4 of a mile and then he goes,

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what am I doing?
And he stops, slams on the brake

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and he goes.
We got to go back and the guys.

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Oh, so they left him?
They left him?

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Left him, Yeah.
And the guys are like, what are

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you doing?
Go, go, go.

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Keep on going, we don't want to
get stuck.

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Exactly.
They're like, they could be

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after us and they get out of the
car and they're all arguing and

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fighting and he's like, no, we
got to go back.

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We got to go back.
We got to go back.

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They've all seen scary movies
and they know.

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Well, 1975 was a big year for
sightings of UFOs in Arizona.

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Fuck Arizona.
It was like a a thing.

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Was it like, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Arizona's weird.

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I grew up there.
It's it's weird, it's weird and

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and like it's weird, not the
coolest ways, right, But like

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sit down at school anyways, off
the topic, right.

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So they're all.
So they're all freaked right

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out.
They're like, they leave, we

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gotta go.
Yes.

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Mike finally goes, no, get back
in the truck.

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We gotta go back after Travis.
Yeah, they do.

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God bless him.
Right as right as they're

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starting to get back in the
truck, they see this flash of

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light in the kind of a glow and
this streak goes off in the sky

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and, and the the light's gone.
And so then now they're kind of

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like getting their courage back.
And so they get back in the

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truck, they go back up to the
clearing.

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There's nothing there.
There's no ship, there's no sign

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of, there's no Travis.
Oh, I was gonna ask.

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No, they're calling out his
name.

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They're searching all kind of in
the area, like going back into

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the trees.
Like did he crawl?

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No yelling his name.
I have some questions.

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Yes.
OK, so here's the thing, we all

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like a cocktail after work,
right?

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Like all of us don't mind like a
a nice ice cold Modelo, whatever

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your poison is really nice.
If you've been outside for a

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long time.
If I've gone on a long hike,

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'cause I work at a desk.
If we work at like if you're

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working outside, a nice cold
beer is great.

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Like did they like partake in
any alcohol beforehand?

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Not a drop.
Did they partake?

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In the gotcha, not a hit and
none of them will do it because

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of their dangerous job.
So they will.

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They do not do that at work,
right?

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And they were just getting in
their car and coming home, so

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not a chance to do it.
Anyway, there's not.

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They're not under any kind.
Of no influence.

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And they're all in the same car.
On the same truck.

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Exactly.
So they go down the there's, so

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they're going home.
They get off the Dirt Rd., They

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finally get to a main road and
they're all in complete fucking

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shock and they're like, we got
to call the cops.

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Yeah.
I mean, our friend has just been

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abducted.
I mean, we can't find our

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friend.
We can't find number one.

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Like something happened to him.
He could be, let's just say like

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devil's advocate, like he was
knocked out unconscious.

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They went forward, he came to,
he started walking around.

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Yeah, unconscious by what?
Right.

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I mean, yeah, yeah, IA raccoon.
Yeah.

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Yeah, no, unconscious by like
really weird circumstances.

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But like, even if like they
could try to write everything

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off, Yeah, he's still stumbling
around.

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Yeah, We cannot make sense of
it.

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So they get they find a payphone
at this convenience store, call

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the cops and wait.
First officer on scene, this guy

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named Chuck Ellison.
What does he do?

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The first thing Alicia just
thought of.

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Are you drunk?
Where are the bottles?

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Do I see any pipes?
Yeah.

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Any little you know stubs?
Little Ganj.

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Uh huh.
Little.

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Any of that shit?
Nope, don't see any of that,

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Don't smell it.
He talks to every member of the

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crew, starting with the foreman
Mike, and every single one of

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them tell them their friend has
been abducted by UFO.

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They're all freaked out.
They're all freaked out and

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they're all telling him the same
story.

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So he's like, OK, I think I need
to call my boss.

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So he calls his boss, Martin
Gillespie, and he comes down,

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tell him what happened.
So he's looking for alcohol,

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marijuana, drugs.
Do I smell it?

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Do I see?
It.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's exactly what I

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had was wondering about.
Yeah.

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What?
You said he knows they're

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scared.
He can see they're scared, but

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he doesn't know why.
Like, did we do something

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accidentally?
Did someone accidentally kill

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him?
Did they intentionally kill him?

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Can we also, Yeah, something
weird's going on.

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And like any kind of like police
officer in a small town, like

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Snowflake.
Snowflake is still small.

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Like it's not, it's not a but
like they might have an inn and

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like a cafe.
Like there's it's tiny, it's

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tiny.
So this guys probably used to

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like traffic violations and the
domestic violence.

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Abductions and kidnappings and
murder.

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Yeah, definitely not.
Kidnapings and murder like this

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is definitely not his Forte.
So like, right, Holy shit, I'm

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in the shit.
I need to like, call the big

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guns.
That's right.

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And so he goes, OK, three of you
are going to take us back to the

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scene.
The rest of you are going to go

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home and we are going to have
we're going to continue this in

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the morning.
OK.

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So so the Mike Allen and Kenny
take the sheriff and the deputy

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back to the site.
No sign of the craft, no sign of

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Travis, nothing.
It of course, they don't have

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lights, they don't have
resources.

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Not if they can do some like big
city search.

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So they're like, OK, fine, we're
going to take two in the

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morning.
So snowflakes I guess.

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Pretty religious and so.
Yeah, it is.

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It is.
There's a lot of Mormons.

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There's a lot of Yeah.
So the news of course spreads

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very fast, as would any small
town.

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And, of course, nobody in the
town is believing a word of it.

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So they know these guys and
they're like, yeah.

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They're like, what's what?
What really happened?

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Really.
Yeah, no one's believing them.

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Because it's so absurd.
That's the problem.

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Exactly, exactly.
And like I said, there's a lot

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of UFOs happening in Arizona at
the time. 197575 Yeah.

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And so part of me goes, well,
wouldn't you guys put like some

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credibility, like something's
happening, like, or would you

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go, are you just chalking up
something fucked up happened to

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the UF OS?
You know what I mean?

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Like it's hard to say what
people's minds are saying.

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Well, when you're in a small
town like you, the last thing

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you want to do is be like known
as the town weirdo.

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I mean, I would be fine with
that, but a lot of people would

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not be right.
Like you don't want to stick

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out.
Everyone knows your business.

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So like, you know, be like, Oh
my God.

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Yeah, Actually.
Well.

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These were businessmen.
They, their livelihoods depended

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on their reputation and depend
on a lot of things.

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So you know.
Yeah, they're honest people just

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trying to make a living.
Like, it's not like logging's a

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pretty hard.
Job yeah, so they had

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helicopters, they're bringing
dogs.

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Like there was a couple 100
people like doing walks like no

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sign of Travis.
So there's certain foul play

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shenanigans.
Yeah, dudes killed him over some

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kind of.
Stupid argument.

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Yeah, by.
I would think that.

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Something, something, whether
it's accident or not, like

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they're covering up like
somebody fucked up Travis and

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like something's getting covered
up.

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And someone's not speaking the
truth.

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Yeah, the cops split him up into
like, split him apart, right?

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And they, they take them up into
the scene and take them apart

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and they're like searching,
right.

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The cops, some cops are taking
them this way, this way, this

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way.
And all of them are doing the

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same thing, like, OK, just tell
us where the body is, dude,

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right, Just tells where it is.
Like it'll be better for you.

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It's.
Cool.

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We gotta yeah.
And so now the guys are like,

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OK, definitely.
No one believes us like we are.

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We're alone, right?
Yeah.

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And so at one point, someone,
one of someone brings a Geiger.

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A Geiger.
Counter.

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Can you remind me what a geyer
counter is?

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It measures radiation.
Oh, yes, yeah.

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So it's like one of those, like
it looks like a metronome or

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something, or like a little,
yeah, it's a little thing.

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And like it'll move.
Yes, the little needle.

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The needle.
Moves as as it.

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Attacks radiation, yes.
So they bring it up there and

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Travis's, yes, Travis's brother
Don is up there helping, right?

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He's with the guy that has the
Geiger counter.

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He sees the Geiger counter Max
out at the spot and then sees it

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drop like 100 yards out of the
area, sees it go away.

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But here's the problem.
What?

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Oh my God.
Don today is the only person

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alive that saw the Geiger
counter do that.

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Go off.
Yeah.

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So who's the only eyewitness?
Alive, yes.

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Exactly.
I mean.

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Currently, yeah.
Currently, yes.

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So now we're on Day 2 news
spreading globally.

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You're right, right.
This guy's missing.

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We haven't been able to find
him.

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They're all saying like, like
straight up saying abducted.

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He's abducted by aliens.
Not just like, we don't know,

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like he could have like, shark
or something.

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Like no aliens, full on aliens.
And that is some sexy shit.

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Yeah.
I mean.

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Hell yeah.
So every media around the globe

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is coming to Snowflake.
Well, of course snowflakes.

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Like teeny tiny.
Yeah.

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And so now the men notice how
these government officials like

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following them like, you know,
full on men in black.

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Yeah, like you can tell.
Yeah, yeah, they, they look a

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little weird.
They're out of place, I don't

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know, wearing like suits and
shit.

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Yeah.
Exactly.

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So now we're on day three.
Oh good God.

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They know nothing more than they
know on day one the sheriff's

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investigating this case as a
homicide.

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And now they're dead set.
They have a suspect and they're

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they're like, we know who it is.
Oh.

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And they think it's Allen Dallas
because they found.

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Yeah.
And they found out that he had a

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fight with Travis the day before
sometime recently.

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Dude has a motive.
And so now they're putting all

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this pressure on all the other
guys because they're convinced

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it's Allen, OK, or maybe John,
OK, we think it's an Allen or.

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Ton, I don't know it's.
One of those.

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It's one of those.
OK, it's one of those.

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One of those guys, we have a
little bit of pressure you.

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Know so they ask all the guys to
take a polygraph and they jump

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at the chance.
And Mike in fact is quoted by

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saying give me sodium pentathol,
give me hypnosis, give me a

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polygraph, give me whatever you
want to do.

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I will do it because I'm telling
you what we are telling you is

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the truth.
Yeah, I have nothing to hide.

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The sodium pentathol or
whatever, that's like supposed

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to be like a truth elixir,
right?

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So, I mean, dudes like throw it
all, throw it all at me.

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I don't.
I'm not afraid.

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Because I saw what I saw.
I saw what I saw.

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Yeah, so now we're on day 55 and
the men are summoned to take the

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polygraph test.
Yeah, and the polygrapher.

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Polygrapher Poly.
The guy that gives the test,

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yes.
Asked the five guys all the same

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questions, of course, and he
does it three times.

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He asked all of them the same
questions three times, right?

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And the first four questions
were always the same and they

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were about Travis.
And those questions were, did

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you cause Travis Walton any sort
of physical injury last

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Wednesday afternoon?
Yep.

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Do you know if Travis Walton was
injured by some other member of

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your crew last Wednesday?
Do you know if Travis Walton's

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body was buried or hidden
somewhere?

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And did did you tell the truth
about actually seeing a UFO last

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Wednesday when Travis
disappeared?

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All yes or no questions, which
they have to do in polygraph

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tests, yeah.
The interviewer later said that

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as he got further in these
interviews, he was convinced

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that the UFO was real.
No.

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So he's interviewing all these
guys.

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00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,280
It's not just like two guys.
It's like.

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It's 7.
Yeah, yeah.

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Six now.
Yeah, 'cause one of them left.

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Yeah, was objective.
Yeah, six.

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Five of the six passed the lie
detector.

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Only Allen Dallas comes back as
inconclusive.

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They said he actually passed the
first two runs of the test and

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it was reported he didn't pass
the third one only because he

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was getting irritated by the
whole thing and he pulled

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himself off the test.
That's what they say.

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OK, I can't.
Well I mean let's be honest,

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dude was like being grilled for.
And he?

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Five days.
And Dallas was, remember the one

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that had the tude with Travis
anyway, right?

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Had a bit of an attitude.
He was one of those.

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Guys, he's just like hot headed,
hot headed.

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He's a hot headed guy.
And then also they're probably

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putting more pressure on him to
like, yes, confess to something.

449
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Exactly.
And.

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It's like fuck.
That dude's like I'm, I'm over

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it.
I'm telling you the fucking

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truth.
Yeah.

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So the examiner files his report
and said the men were being

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truthful when they answered the
questions and it proves that

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they saw some object that they
believed to be a UFO and the

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Travis was not injured or
murdered by them.

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Wow, that was his report.
Conclusive.

458
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Conclusive.
Now the sheriff's department's

459
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,000
back to square one.
Like, OK, well if they didn't

460
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,320
murder him, where is he?
And there's always that question

461
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,920
of can you use lie detector
detector test like there's a lot

462
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,760
of.
Yes, because you could fake it.

463
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Fake it.
People get very nervous, it

464
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,200
messes things up, blah blah
blah.

465
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,360
But like.
Exactly.

466
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,600
You know you're it doesn't
matter like I.

467
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,760
Think when you when you test
enough people you know, you can

468
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,600
tell when people are lying or
not.

469
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,560
Yeah, he knew.
He knew.

470
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Yeah.
So Travis's brother-in-law,

471
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,920
Grant, which is his sister's
husband, gets this call later

472
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,800
that night.
And it's this voice that says,

473
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,720
this is Travis, come get me.
What?

474
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,640
And he thinks it's a prank.
Yeah.

475
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,680
I would I would think the.
Same thing, he's getting ready

476
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,760
to hang up and the guy goes
don't don't don't, don't hang

477
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,920
up, it's me, it's me.
And he describes as best he can

478
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,120
where he is and convinces him to
come look for him.

479
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,680
So he grabs Travis's wife, his
mother, and his brother.

480
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,200
And he drives to where this guy,
this voice says he is.

481
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,520
And sure enough, there's Travis.
Oh my God, passed out in a phone

482
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,280
booth.
Oh, he had called them and then

483
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,040
just passed out and passed out
so.

484
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,920
Now this is five days later.
Yeah, five days.

485
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,000
They thought he was dead.
Thought he was dead.

486
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,680
They thought they were looking
at a fucking murder victim or

487
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840
like a a murder.
Like where is he?

488
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,600
He's definitely dead.
He calls up and is like no no,

489
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,640
no trust.
Me.

490
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,920
Yeah, I'm here.
So they take him home and in the

491
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,800
interview with Travis, he said
that he found himself lying in a

492
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:07,160
road and he sees this kind of
blue light above him and then it

493
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,560
shoots off into space.
And now he's alone on in the

494
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,120
street and he gets up, he's
stumbling.

495
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,640
He's kind of confused.
He's walks for what he says he

496
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,840
thinks is ours.
And he's seen, he sees the

497
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,280
horizon and he can see, he can
tell the lot what the lights

498
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760
are.
And he he knows that these

499
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,680
particular lights are, it was
some town.

500
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,520
I can't remember the name of the
town, but he could.

501
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320
He could tell where he was.
Yeah, he knew the the skylight,

502
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:35,760
the.
Skylight.

503
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Yeah.
So he knew where to go.

504
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,400
Yeah.
And so Herbert, Arizona, that's

505
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,640
what he.
Saw Oh Huber.

506
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,080
Huber, thank you.
Yeah.

507
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,680
So he finds his payphone.
He calls his family.

508
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,120
That's when that happened.
He's on his way home.

509
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,680
And he said what he really
struggled with is that they told

510
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:06,080
him that was five days later and
he thought it was the exact same

511
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,920
night.
Oh my God, it's that time lost

512
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,400
thing.
Exactly.

513
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,920
I'm with him.
That would fuck you up.

514
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Like where have I been for five
days?

515
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,800
OK.
Can we just like pause this?

516
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,160
Have you ever been put put under
like for a surgery or something?

517
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,880
No.
Me neither.

518
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,880
So I've never had that kind of
moment where you fall asleep and

519
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,240
you wake up and it's like hours
have passed unless you're

520
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,520
sleeping, right?
Like if I'm sleeping, I'm

521
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,680
sleeping hard.
I'm like, wow, I slept really

522
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,600
hard tonight or whatever.
It's not like falling asleep for

523
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,760
a procedure, waking up, the
procedure is gone and you've

524
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,160
kind of lost time.
I've never experienced time

525
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,320
loss.
I haven't either.

526
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Yeah, I think just like from the
perspective of like having a

527
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,920
surgery that would fuck my head
up and that's like something

528
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,640
that's.
Rational.

529
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,520
It fucked him up.
But he's been gone for five days

530
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,920
and he's like, no, no, no.
No, I was just just, it was like

531
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,320
a a couple hours.
Ago.

532
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God that would fuck with

533
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:28,920
my head.
So he's desperate for help, and

534
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,480
Travis and his brother reach out
to the APRO.

535
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,280
APRO.
Yeah, yes.

536
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,240
It's a guy, a man and a wife,
Jim and Carol, they started this

537
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:50,600
company or this business and
they're, they're very credible.

538
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Like they have a lot of
scientific, unbiased

539
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,920
perspective.
Like they're very, they're not

540
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,760
like UFO freaks.
They're just, they're trying to

541
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,680
be very scientific about the
whole thing, right?

542
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,920
They don't have Silver Skulls.
Right.

543
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,920
They have doctors and scientists
like, yeah, they, yeah.

544
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,280
I mean, they're.
Trying to be.

545
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Very trying to be.
Scientific.

546
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Yeah.
So in the dead of the night,

547
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Dawn Travis Brothers sneaks him
out of Snowflake and takes him

548
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,680
to APRO so some doctors can
examine him.

549
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,200
Because remember, this is a
science.

550
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,760
I mean, this is a media circus.
Right, right.

551
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Yeah.
So before the exam begins they

552
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:35,000
he tells the doctors what he
remembers and he remembers

553
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000
exiting the truck.
He said it was just an impulse

554
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,920
and assumed it was going to take
off before he got very far but

555
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,160
just felt like he needed to get
out of the truck.

556
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,840
And he remembers hearing the low
rumbling sound and then the high

557
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,640
pitched sounds, and then the
closer he got the louder the

558
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,640
ship was, and then it started to
remove or move.

559
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,760
And he remembers he's about
ready to run when he sees that

560
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,320
blue light that hit his body.
Oh, so he remembered.

561
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,040
It remember that and then he
wakes up under that same light

562
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,600
five days later.
That's why he thinks it's all

563
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,760
the.
Same day.

564
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Together.
Yeah.

565
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Oh fuck.
And so now they got to figure

566
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,000
out, well, what happened in
those five days.

567
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Right.
And so he agrees to go under

568
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,960
what was a very controversial
procedure then called regressive

569
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,320
hypnosis.
Still controversial?

570
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Betty and Barney Hill.
Yeah.

571
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,000
Same thing.
Yeah.

572
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,880
And the idea behind like the
regression, you know, hypnosis

573
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,520
is like you.
You have like a therapist who's

574
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:55,280
like, guiding you through a
hypnosis where you're supposed

575
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,000
to be what, like getting things
from like.

576
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Getting past this whole physical
mental block and really getting

577
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,680
into those deep recesses of your
mind.

578
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Yes, yeah, like the past, the
conscious like levels.

579
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Now the issues with that and we
talked before with Betty and

580
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Barney Hill is can thoughts be
implanted?

581
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Can can things be implanted by
the therapist or who's walking

582
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680
you through this?
Are these your actual?

583
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Can they influence?
Yes.

584
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Yes.
Yeah, which is a huge problem.

585
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,520
OK, So it's interesting.
So he went under hypnosis did.

586
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,400
I mean, so they did physical
test, they did blood, urine, all

587
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,160
this stuff, nothing abnormal, no
traces of drugs.

588
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,200
And so while this is happening,
something else is happening.

589
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,360
So it turns out Travis's family
didn't bother to tell law

590
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,440
enforcement that Travis was
alive.

591
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,760
What?
What girl?

592
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,199
Oh, that.
Oh, you want to know if he was

593
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840
alive?
Well, you didn't say that.

594
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,880
I mean, you didn't ask.
Well, so the family thinks he's

595
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,760
too unemotionably unstable to
handle this, which I get.

596
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,480
They're trying to protect him.
Yes, yeah.

597
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,159
I say get it.
I get it.

598
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,679
I could totally get it.
You any, any of us would do

599
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,920
that.
But here.

600
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,960
There's some.
Lots of people doing stuff

601
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,960
thinking he's down.
I don't know, call me crazy, but

602
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,560
like they're, they're also like
there's a murder investigation

603
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,159
going.
On yeah, there's some stuff.

604
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:49,320
Happening.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

605
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,880
You can't really, like, hide
from this, yeah?

606
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,000
So the only way that they found
out that Travis this is like

607
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,520
post alive.
OK.

608
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Was this because when Travis
called made that phone call, he

609
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200
had to call Collect?
Of course, he had no change.

610
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Right, right.
No.

611
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Well, the.
Operator was like, hey, I know

612
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,560
that name and that voice, I'm
going to listen in.

613
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,760
And so she listened in and she's
like, Oh my God, that's Travis.

614
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,520
And so then she called the cops
like I heard Travis on telephone

615
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,320
calling collect his family.
I just wanted to let you all

616
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,560
know that he he might be be
actually not no longer under the

617
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,840
influence of or dead.
So, by the way, my name is Verna

618
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,440
and I'm here all night.
If there's anything else going

619
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,320
on you want me to figure out,
I'll be happy to.

620
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,440
Cheryl.
Yeah.

621
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,200
So the first few days on his
return, his brother Dwayne acts

622
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,720
as the family spokesman, right?
And he the news is all over the

623
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:03,560
world and they're all scrambling
to talk to Travis, but he's

624
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,600
hiding out in Phoenix Hotel
trying to get help from APRO.

625
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Right, right.
Like.

626
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,400
Like he lost five days.
Yeah, Daddy needs some help.

627
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,840
For sure.
OK.

628
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,800
So now is November 14th.
Four days after he got back,

629
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,960
he's meeting with a guy named
Doctor James.

630
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Harder for that regression
hypnosis.

631
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,720
His wife Dana, who by the way,
is Mike's sister.

632
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,240
Oh, OK.
OK, that's why they're buddies.

633
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,960
Yeah, it's like BFF, right?
And his brother Dwayne are with

634
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,440
him.
Travis describes the events like

635
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000
this.
Oh good God, great.

636
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,400
Oh my God.
This is this.

637
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,320
Is where OK if you guys, if you
guys are going to get nightmares

638
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,080
like I am, this is where you
tune out, OK?

639
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,720
Do not pass code.
Do not collect $200.00.

640
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,600
Just turn off the podcast.
I would never tell you that, but

641
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,280
you're afraid.
I should have some eerie music.

642
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,840
Oh.
No.

643
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,840
Like bizarre.
No, that.

644
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,320
Not that one.
No, that one.

645
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,920
No, I don't have any.
OK, we don't we.

646
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,200
We need to get one.
We need to get one.

647
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,680
But if you are afraid of aliens
like I am, please turn off the

648
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,280
podcast now.
I will not be sleeping.

649
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,240
I'm probably going to be bugging
my friends tonight and texting

650
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,680
them and sending them Tik Toks,
you know, and also posting Tik

651
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Toks in our TikTok.
The bizarre F Oh my.

652
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,360
God, I'm going to make.
I'll let Gazmo sleep with you.

653
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Please.
Yeah, I'm terrified.

654
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,000
So please, Kevin.
OK, here we go.

655
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,560
Tell us what happens.
Wow.

656
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,360
Crazy.
You're crazy, girl.

657
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,840
That wasn't the one, but OK
here.

658
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,480
We go.
But I mean, still, you're crazy

659
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,440
girl.
He awakens laying on his back.

660
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,680
He comes too slowly, and at
first he thought he was in a

661
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,640
hospital and something was like
wrong with him.

662
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080
But there's this light above him
and it's not so bright that he

663
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,800
can't look at it.
But it kind of interfered with

664
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,480
seeing things around him because
it was, it was kind of that,

665
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,560
that bright.
And he was looking around to see

666
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,880
where he was, but it was a
pretty small space and there's

667
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,200
something lying on his top of
his chest.

668
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,760
What?
Yes, there's a device on his

669
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:41,440
chest, something on his chest.
And he seems there's some kind

670
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,160
of light coming from this thing
on his chest as well.

671
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,080
And so he looks, so he's laying
down and he looks beyond the

672
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:58,680
device to see past the device
and he sees what looks like

673
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,720
faces, but it's kind of, you
know, dark.

674
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,440
So he thought it was doctors
wearing surgical masks.

675
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,280
And it's an electric a matter of
seconds before he realized that

676
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:20,560
these things weren't human and
they were very, very alien.

677
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,320
And in fact, when I say very
alien, you would know them as

678
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,280
the Grays.
No, that's the scariest one,

679
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:36,080
yeah.
They're about 5 foot tall, no

680
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,840
hair, great big eyes, large
features.

681
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:48,880
Tiny mouth, tiny nose.
He had this feeling of pain, of

682
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,440
suffocation, but the aliens
weren't expressing any emotion

683
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,240
at all that he was feeling this.
And so he freaks out and he

684
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:03,000
jumps off the table and when he
did that, that device like fall

685
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,440
flies off of his chest and smack
and lands on the ground and kind

686
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:14,440
of breaks.
And at this point, it's fight or

687
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,200
flight.
And so he grabs this like he

688
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200
called it like a rod, like a
tube or something that was on

689
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,320
this table.
And he's, you know, he's

690
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,800
swinging it at him like you
would do, like get back, get.

691
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Back.
Get back.

692
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,240
And the only opening in the room
was behind the aliens.

693
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,440
Oh, of course it was.
That's how it always is.

694
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,120
Yeah, always.
But the aliens quickly leave the

695
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,560
room because he's fucking
freaking out.

696
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,120
They're like, they don't want to
probably be in here, so they

697
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,600
leave.
Well, he's think he's afraid

698
00:40:51,600 --> 00:41:01,200
that they're going to come back.
So he leaves that room and he's

699
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,480
walking through the halls.
And he said the whole craft was

700
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:09,160
like, kind of dimly lit, and it
was like he couldn't get enough

701
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,720
air, his oxygen in his lungs.
And it was real humid, like, low

702
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:21,160
oxygen, high humid.
Hello, J Rod.

703
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,560
Oh my God.
Oh my God, Kevin, I totally

704
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,720
forgot.
He needed lower oxygen and more

705
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,560
humidity.
I wonder if J Rod was like, no,

706
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,000
yeah.
I don't know.

707
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,560
We don't know.
But that's a weird connection.

708
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,360
I didn't even think about that
until you just, I mean, yeah,

709
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,840
'cause they had to like, create
like an entire like.

710
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,560
Hydrogen, right?
Yeah.

711
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,520
Yeah, 'cause he could not
survive well with this in our

712
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,160
atmosphere.
Yeah, so he needed so.

713
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,560
Something OK, yeah, I I digress.
No, you're not digressing.

714
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,200
This is.
Beautiful.

715
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,760
So he comes across another door
and he goes in this and this

716
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,680
room is empty except for a
single fucking chair in the

717
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,280
room.
And as he approaches the chair,

718
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,120
like, these holographic images
start to get brighter and

719
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,080
brighter.
Like, you know, if you're

720
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,520
approaching something and then
it like lights up because he

721
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,320
sees you and it wants to like do
whatever you need to do.

722
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,920
That's what was happening as he
got closer to this chair.

723
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,440
So, and it's like some
projection of like stars and

724
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,000
maps is what he thought it
looked like to him.

725
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,560
OK, Yeah.
And so he sits in this chair and

726
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:47,920
now the map is very visible and
he sees this like little control

727
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,200
panel or screen on the arm of
the chair.

728
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,840
And so he's like, frantically,
he's like trying to push buttons

729
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,960
and stuff like, yeah, something,
something needs to happen.

730
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,760
I need to get the fuck out of
here.

731
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,960
I'm trying to get out.
I cannot do it like it's like

732
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,000
that.
Kate McKinnon like SNL skit.

733
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,120
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly, which is like.

734
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,880
She's all calm now, like.
She's still gets around and

735
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,880
she's like, Oh yeah.
Except, you know, right, right.

736
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,240
Like we found out love and like
and like she's like, that's what

737
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:25,000
you found out.
They're like that in my.

738
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,320
That in my tinga tongs.
Exactly.

739
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Yeah, fucking Travis is in this
shit right now.

740
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,480
Right, exactly.
So the buttons are doing

741
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,480
nothing.
Right.

742
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,120
He stands up and to leave, and
when he turns to go back out the

743
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,960
door, someone's standing in the
doorway.

744
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,640
Except this person looks human.
What?

745
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,040
Yes.
No very well built humanoid

746
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,920
looks like a human.
Not like the great but.

747
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,520
He's in no like a human in a
space suit.

748
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,760
And so he goes, oh, fuck, the
military's here.

749
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Like finally the Air Force is
here to save me.

750
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Like they're here to to get me.
And so he goes up to the human.

751
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,160
I'm air quoting because he says
this person would pass as a

752
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,720
human.
Sure, lot taller than everything

753
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,720
else is and like does not look
the same.

754
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:30,280
Right.
He tries to talk to this guy.

755
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,760
Not answering.
He starts saying who are these

756
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,680
people like Hilton, Where am I?
Go ahead, Get Me Out of here.

757
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,040
Doesn't respond.
Instead, to suit, a guy takes

758
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,000
him by the arm forcefully and
escorts him down the hallway.

759
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,720
Well, when they come to the
door, the door opens and they

760
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,600
enter some kind of like airlock.
And so now they're in this other

761
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,560
room and he is overcome by this
total shift of environment.

762
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Like it's cooler, it's he can
breathe, there's more oxygen.

763
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,480
Right.
And that the room was lighter.

764
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,880
It was brighter.
It wasn't so dark.

765
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,640
He goes, hello.
They got big fucking eyes.

766
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,720
They need like them.
Yes.

767
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,320
Yeah.
Fucking big eyed motherfuckers.

768
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,040
And so he gets LED out of this
craft into what would be

769
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,120
described as a bigger building
or a hangar like this, like this

770
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,040
ship was in a hangar kind of
thing, right?

771
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,320
And so they walk him through
this building into this other

772
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,680
room that had other people that
looked like this humanoid.

773
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Dude who is escorting?
But they didn't have a they

774
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,880
didn't have helmets like these
humanoids didn't have helmets.

775
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,360
But they looked like similar to
him, right?

776
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,160
Well, Apro referred to these
beings as Nordics.

777
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:58,520
Oh my God, I've been wanting to
do an episode on the Nordics.

778
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,600
I was going to do it with you
and Shannon originally 'cause

779
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,680
the Nordics freak me the fuck
out and guess.

780
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,040
What they look like people.
'Cause they look like people and

781
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,400
they look like you.
Yeah, They do not look like me.

782
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,120
They do not look like me.
They are not.

783
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,520
There's not much pig, not much
melanin.

784
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,320
Yes, they look like they say
Nordic, Swedish and tall, tall,

785
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,720
blonde.
Yes, blue eyes, Kevin, are you

786
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,840
not?
Are you a Nordic?

787
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Scandinavian, Nordic, Yeah,
Yeah, No, it's, but, but like

788
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,040
they're, they're, they tend to
be like obscenely tall, like

789
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,600
super tall.
Very fit.

790
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Super fit, Super svelte.
Yeah, so there's this

791
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,000
examination table in the middle
of the room and this man escorts

792
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,320
him there in the guy that in the
spacesuit escorts him there.

793
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,640
And he resists, of course, just
want to be on a fucking

794
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,280
examination for.
That.

795
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,920
Yeah, and so then the other
Nordics, they step in, overpower

796
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,880
him very easily.
Very easily, he said.

797
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,160
Like with no effort.
Oh, he's like, he's trying to

798
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,320
push.
And these are like the loggers,

799
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,720
like a man who.
Yeah, he's not.

800
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,720
He's not like some fat chubby,
you know.

801
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,480
Yes, lazy fuck.
Yeah dude like like he works

802
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,960
like hard and lifts weights or
let it lifts weights but like

803
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,320
lifts locks, literally locks
like that is some hard back

804
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,720
breaking work, yes.
They put a mask over his face,

805
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,800
they had nothing connected to it
and he blacks out.

806
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,200
It's not chloroform.
Yeah.

807
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,600
Right.
The next thing he remembers,

808
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:54,760
he's in a road with a blue light
over him, zipping off into

809
00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:00,080
space.
Oh, so that's that's the last

810
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,240
thing here thing he remembers.
So literally he probably recalls

811
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:10,680
like what I mean, if we're, if
we're to like map that whole

812
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,760
thing out, maybe three hours
potentially.

813
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,440
You would think.
Yeah.

814
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,080
But it was days, girl.
Right, Five days.

815
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,520
Like that's insane.
Insane.

816
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:31,880
Bizarre AF.
So it's almost like it's like

817
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,920
the last hour, a few hours
before they dropped him off is

818
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,240
what he remembers.
That's what it's like.

819
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,480
So like that's like, let's say
you're listening right now on a

820
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Monday, you wouldn't like, it
would be like you not recalling

821
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,400
anything from Wednesday on, like
you couldn't recall the weekend.

822
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,680
You couldn't recall half of the.
That's terribly unsettling.

823
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,640
I I would panic, yeah.
It's the idea of control.

824
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,040
That's why I'm not very.
Yes, it's the idea of like, yes,

825
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,240
exactly.
It's like a lot.

826
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,840
I was.
I was in, not in control for

827
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,720
five.
Days, yeah, I, I, I have no

828
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,720
clue.
Like that's why I'm not great

829
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,080
stoned.
Yeah, I can't, FYI.

830
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,240
That's exactly why I can't do
it, Yeah.

831
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,400
I wish I were like one of those
cool like Stoner girls who would

832
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,320
be like, let's just like like,
OK, not TMI, but like honestly,

833
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:31,640
I love watching ancient aliens
and having like an edible, like

834
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,840
like a little tiny 2 milligram
edible and like just chilling

835
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,520
out like that's beautiful to me
hanging out with people doing

836
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,680
anything like no thank you.
I often times will just conk out

837
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,640
and I'm like, I don't I don't
even remember what happened and

838
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,680
that freak like that freaks me
out, even though I can really

839
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,880
remember.
But I'm like, I didn't have

840
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,640
issues sleeping, which was is a
big deal for me.

841
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,800
No, it's, it's like the lack of
control, no.

842
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,680
You can't do it.
Me neither, no.

843
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,160
We're we're just not that
person.

844
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,760
No.
So the next day, Travis and his

845
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,880
brother and his wife go home.
It's a total fucking circus.

846
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Sure.
Yeah, media's still there.

847
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Still there waiting to talk to
Travis.

848
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,000
He's still traumatized.
He does the interview to try to

849
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,440
get him off his back.
Doesn't help a fucking thing.

850
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,440
People think she's just lying,
right?

851
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,720
Even though his crew just said
the same goddamn thing.

852
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,400
They've been saying the same
thing for five days that like.

853
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,040
He everyone thinks they're just
pulling off a con.

854
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,320
He thinks they all think they're
all pulling off some con.

855
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,680
This is a long time to pull off
a con and we did a con artist

856
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,000
like a con artist episode like.
And they do do long cons.

857
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:56,200
There's some long cons, but like
to have seven people in on it,

858
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
it's really difficult and.
I'll pass into light.

859
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,160
I mean, it's like a lot.
Yeah, where's the monetary game?

860
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,560
Yeah, what is the game?
Yeah, I just assume it's money.

861
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,920
Have you ever heard of a man
named Phillip class with a with

862
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,000
AK?
As in, I'm not going to say it

863
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,240
'cause it'll offend people, but
he is A, he's AC, he's ACU next

864
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,360
Tuesday.
Oh, OK, OK, see you next

865
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Tuesday.
OK.

866
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,040
No, I've not heard of him.
He's a total UFO debunker.

867
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,600
Oh good God.
Riddle fueled anyone who

868
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,840
believed in in UFOs, including
especially Travis.

869
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,840
Confident, Confident.
He knows for a fact they made it

870
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,920
up.
How?

871
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Spent tons of time and money to
prove that they made it up just

872
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,160
to get out of their logging
contract, he thinks.

873
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:03,440
And like, even if the foreman
did all this con to get out, I

874
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,240
mean how did he get all his
whole crew to play along and

875
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,640
pass these?
Yeah, fuck it, idiot.

876
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,200
So a lot of accusations made
about Travis and the crew haunt

877
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,280
them for years.
Yeah, haunt them for years.

878
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,960
So this made them wonder, Well,
is there some larger effort to

879
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,480
discredit us?
Like, like, what is?

880
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,000
Yeah, like.
Yeah, what organization's trying

881
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,560
to stop this?
Because we're, we're just trying

882
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,400
to tell the truth, man.
What do we have to?

883
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,600
Lose Apro comes to their
defense, tells everyone that his

884
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,440
blood test shows that he was
dehydrated and about 10 lbs

885
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,400
lighter than when he laughed.
Wow.

886
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Which would make sense.
And they're looking for what are

887
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,280
called ketones, which are
present and they represent when

888
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,640
a body's trying to feed on
itself, when it means reserves.

889
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,600
Yes.
There were none.

890
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,440
So ketones, that's like the
ketogenic diet, that's what you

891
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,840
want.
Those didn't exist yet.

892
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,280
He was 10 lbs lighter.
Yeah.

893
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,880
And like for someone who has a
very active physical job, that

894
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,200
would make a lot of sense if he
was not consuming anything.

895
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,560
His metabolism, his metabolism
is like automatically like

896
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,960
through the roof.
He's used to having to consume a

897
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,280
lot of calories 'cause he's
burning a lot of calories, so.

898
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,560
Right.
So so clearly these aliens knew

899
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,360
how to keep him nutrients going
so that these ketones wouldn't.

900
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,280
He wasn't going, yeah, he wasn't
going into like.

901
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,360
Starvation, yes, but yet he lost
10 lbs.

902
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:51,600
Yeah.
What?

903
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,440
Because he wasn't doing anything
the fuck they chose.

904
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,120
Something.
Did they take something?

905
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,360
Do you think they took
something?

906
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,600
How do you lose 10 lbs in five
days?

907
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,360
What is the soul?
10 lbs.

908
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:09,560
Even if you can't, apparently.
It's always exactly 10 pounds,

909
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,680
10 lbs.
So they also had been recording

910
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,680
a spike in the events just prior
to Travis's abduction.

911
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Apro Head.
Right in the area.

912
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,880
Yes, a woman and her child
reported hearing that same low

913
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,760
rumbling sound just a month
before Travis's abduction.

914
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,080
You have six people stating the
exact same thing that passed and

915
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,760
they passed the polygraph
telling the exact same story

916
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,640
that they had said something
similar.

917
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,520
And then Travis's brother takes
their own polygraph because now

918
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:40,960
they know what has been going
on.

919
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,600
He passes.
And so now, you know, remember

920
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,760
the back, back then, the
government's responses was look

921
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,880
over there.
Oh, you're red herring.

922
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,720
Here's the red herring.
Check this out.

923
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,040
Look, look, look, look, look,
look.

924
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,080
Right now, the government is
behaving differently, but back

925
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,840
then it was like.
Didn't.

926
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,840
Care didn't.
Yeah, you're you're a crazy

927
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,520
person.
Travis writes a book is very

928
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,760
rare written.
He presents arguments for both

929
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,640
for and against his case.
I think it's very neutral in

930
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,720
that respect.
He tries to criticize his own

931
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:25,280
things.
Yes, exactly.

932
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,200
The criticisms, the debunking,
all of that stuff.

933
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,880
Paramount makes a movie out of
it called Fire in the Sky.

934
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:36,960
Oh yeah, I remember that one
did.

935
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,880
You see it?
I didn't watch it, no, because

936
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,480
aliens freak me out.
So now Travis is spot forcing

937
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,360
the spotlight again.
Again, Credibility doubted all

938
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,480
the skeptics, all the
criticisms, including Phillip

939
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,200
Class.
That mother.

940
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,520
Shit hole.
Fucker.

941
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,960
But then Travis gets the last
words, so they're on Larry King.

942
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,000
And Travis and Larry are on
Larry with Larry King.

943
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,000
And Larry King goes, so are we
to believe that all seven people

944
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,840
are lying?
This is what he tells class,

945
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,920
right?
And class goes, well, based on

946
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,520
physical evidence, yes, meaning
physical evidence that should

947
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,360
have been there, wasn't there,
K?

948
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,160
And Larry King goes, why are you
laughing, Travis?

949
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,960
And Chavis goes, well, because
this is typical of him.

950
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,760
And in tacking all UFO cases, he
equates the absence of evidence

951
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,080
to evidence of absence.
And like, yes, right, right.

952
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,960
It's so like fucking Dick.
That's The thing is like, it's

953
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,000
so easy to be a skeptic and to
like poke holes, like not to be

954
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,360
a skeptic exactly like a true
skeptic is like someone who's

955
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,680
like, show me the proof.
Show me the evidence I am

956
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,920
willing to believe if everything
comes together.

957
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,160
But that's the thing, if you're
not willing to believe, I could

958
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,360
show you any evidence and you
wouldn't believe it.

959
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,560
Yes.
So like people who wear that

960
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,960
like badge of skepticism,
oftentimes they're just so close

961
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,560
minded.
They could have exactly an alien

962
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,600
come in front of them.
They're like.

963
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,400
No, it's just an.
Outfit or like they like

964
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,360
materialized in front of me did.
You put shit in my drink.

965
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,560
Right, exactly.
There's there's a million

966
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,720
reasons why someone can say,
yeah, it's not the case.

967
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,840
It's all that's the thing.
Like I think with anything

968
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,840
paranormal, it's so easy to to
like disprove or to say like,

969
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,560
yeah, this is not exactly like,
like you can say a million

970
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,360
things.
Yeah.

971
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,160
And it can, it can make you're
not really truly being open

972
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,160
minded, right?
Like at that point you're not

973
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,600
being open minded.
No, you're not just trying to

974
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,560
push your own agenda.
And with someone like class

975
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,360
like, that's seems like
definitely what he's trying to

976
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,840
do.
Because people need to be able

977
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,560
to challenge this stuff, but you
need to be open minded.

978
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,320
Yeah, You need to be willing to
listen to people who are

979
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,840
clearly, like, affected by some
trauma that they fucking went

980
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,800
through.
Like, it's not like these people

981
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,160
are just sitting there thinking,
guess what we're going to do on

982
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,320
a Friday after we've worked our
asses off.

983
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,600
Pretend we got them ducked off,
yeah?

984
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,520
Yeah, and have like, have all of
these like news reporters and

985
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,320
stuff come in and like make us
stars.

986
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Like, I don't know, Travis
Walton isn't very I I've known

987
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,400
of Travis Walton, but like, your
average Joe's not going to know

988
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,400
who the fuck he is.
So like, he had a lot to lose.

989
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Yes.
And discredited and.

990
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,440
This is real, peeps.
This is real.

991
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,120
He's a fucking logger.
This guy is not a guy who's like

992
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,440
just a weirdo who just wants to
like make up stories.

993
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,320
Like he hasn't added to it or
like it seems like he's trying

994
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,080
to work through what he
experienced and that's trauma.

995
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,480
That's like trauma work that
he's doing.

996
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:09,960
So all this new interest begets
a new investigation and it's

997
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,560
discovered that the trees around
that clearing where the ship was

998
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:23,280
were odd.
Dating the trees and looking at

999
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,160
the tree rings, the area of the
trees that were facing the

1000
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,920
clearing have thicker rings than
the sides that were facing away

1001
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,920
from the clearing.
So the question is, did the

1002
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,520
radiation emitted from the UFO
per the Geiger counter, by the

1003
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,040
way they were counted, you know
that they measured back in 75.

1004
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,720
Did that mutate the inner side
of the trees?

1005
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,480
Because there are some studies
after Chernobyl that the trees

1006
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,920
in those areas behave the same
way.

1007
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,120
Really.
Wow.

1008
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:01,680
So that's interesting.
Soils were tested.

1009
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,240
Higher concentration of iron
than anywhere else.

1010
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Why?
Because of the magnetic

1011
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:17,200
properties of the ship pulling
the iron or into concentrating

1012
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:23,320
it into a specific area?
Because it's nowhere else that

1013
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,960
concentrated.
Like something fucking happened

1014
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,720
there.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it was a a

1015
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,880
perfect like ring or like circle
in the area that the that the,

1016
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:37,880
you know, the UFO was.
So it's not like, yeah, this is

1017
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,720
just like it's fall.
So like, like this is a tree

1018
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,560
that just like sheds leaves,
that just tends that that's

1019
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,880
where the fucking no, it's like
the soil itself is different.

1020
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,400
The tree trunks are different.
We're not making this shut up.

1021
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,880
These people are not making.
But it's so much easier to

1022
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,960
discredit witnesses rather than
look and say, maybe there's

1023
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,280
something to this.
Maybe we're not alone.

1024
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,720
And what does that mean?
Exactly.

1025
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,760
What does our existence look
like?

1026
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,920
People don't want people don't
want that.

1027
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,920
I mean, do you want that?
Yes.

1028
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,720
I don't know.
Sometimes I think I don't.

1029
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,640
Yes, I mean they could be
helpful.

1030
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,520
They could be helpful, or it
could be Independence Day, where

1031
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,080
we all die and we're trying to,
like, welcome the fucking, you

1032
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,120
know, aliens.
And they come down and they just

1033
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,240
strike all of us.
OK.

1034
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,720
Or they can be really.
Super cool people.

1035
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,440
I really hope like do you think
the Nordics are some of the

1036
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,920
Super cool people?
Well, they were behaving very

1037
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,480
poorly.
I agree.

1038
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,080
Poor Travis.
Yes, I do not like how they

1039
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,680
treated Travis at all.
But if they're like the

1040
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,400
bodyguards of the Grays, like, I
mean, were they just doing their

1041
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,480
job?
Maybe.

1042
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,720
They were, yeah.
They were just doing their job,

1043
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,040
but don't trust them.
So if you see anyone who has

1044
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:17,800
blonde hair, blue eyes and like
looks a little bit like my Co

1045
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:24,080
host over here, it's funny.
No, I, I think, I think that

1046
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,720
like it's easy to discredit
these witnesses and these people

1047
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:35,160
because the ramifications of
this being true and people being

1048
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,480
potentially like medically
tested on or it.

1049
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,240
Is.
True, I think.

1050
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,240
I think it's true too.
It's true, yeah.

1051
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,960
It's true.
We have no control, but we have

1052
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,960
no control, and that's the
problem is that none of us have

1053
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,480
control.
And that's why we don't want it

1054
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,520
to be true.
Yes, that's why we will

1055
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,240
discredit these people rather
than listening to them and

1056
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,200
saying what can we do to try to
get past this?

1057
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,560
Yes, that's the problem.
Yes, it is.

1058
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,760
It is.
So you're not like super scared,

1059
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,480
right?
I mean, right now I'm not, but

1060
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,480
like when I go into bed, I'm
going to be like, I'm going to

1061
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,120
be like, Oh my God, what if they
come and like there's a blue

1062
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,720
light and like it's going to
come and hover and.

1063
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,600
Damn it, I was going to put a
blue light in your room.

1064
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Shut up.
You were not, were you?

1065
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,080
Oh God, I'm not going to do it.
I would have been so scared.

1066
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,480
I don't.
Like from your closet.

1067
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,160
Like this blue light?
I would have been sleeping at

1068
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,880
the foot of your and Roy's bed.
I'd be like, OK, guess what?

1069
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,400
Guess what you have to deal with
now?

1070
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,480
Me.
Or under your bed starts glowing

1071
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,480
girl.
Oh my God, I'd be so stressed

1072
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,480
out.
That's why I wouldn't do it.

1073
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,560
Yeah, it.
Would be too much.

1074
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,840
We have too much to do Yeah Oh
my God, what a great episode.

1075
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,280
Thanks and like it.
I think if you have not heard

1076
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,240
like the Travis Walton story
like he has.

1077
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,880
Also he's still has like been
interviewed and is not changing

1078
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,800
his story.
No dude is saying the same shit

1079
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,600
since 1975.
What does he have to gain?

1080
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,240
Nothing.
Nothing.

1081
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,760
Nothing.
Now people go over their books

1082
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,960
and fuck off.
I mean, sure, look, the dude was

1083
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,440
a fucking logger.
It's not like he came from like

1084
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,920
a lot of money.
Like the dude needs to make some

1085
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,440
kind of money.
But also maybe he wants to just

1086
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,480
get his fucking thought, like
his thoughts out there like for

1087
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,640
posterity or whatever.
Wouldn't you like I would.

1088
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,480
I'd want to warn people because
losing 5 days and like not

1089
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,840
necessarily knowing what's going
on and understand that we're all

1090
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,720
just humans trying to make this
work.

1091
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,280
I I think that.
Yeah, well, were they doing?

1092
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,920
I was being violated like
that's, I'll be like, I was

1093
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,160
being violated like, yeah, I
would want people to know.

1094
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,600
No, no, no.
Like I, there's some validity

1095
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,200
here and it's worth looking into
and I'm happy that you were able

1096
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,440
to like bring it because it's
like a very exciting story.

1097
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,240
It is.
That's why it's not like just

1098
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,320
some UFO story.
No, like it's got.

1099
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,480
Here's a shaky camera.
Teeth, dude.

1100
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,760
It really does.
Yeah.

1101
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,920
And, and none of all these guys,
like they have not come back.

1102
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,040
Like they've been like, maybe
there was something, you know,

1103
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,080
like, maybe I was like making
something out of nothing.

1104
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,960
But like, these guys are not
saying this never happened.

1105
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:34,240
No.
Like they're not disputing it.

1106
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,960
No, because they know what
happened.

1107
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,000
They know what happened.
I don't know.

1108
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,280
It's freaking.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

1109
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,520
Well.
Thank you for sharing that with

1110
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:43,840
us.
Sleep well.

1111
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,000
Yeah, or don't.
Sleep I did that to you on last

1112
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,480
episode too.
Sleep well you.

1113
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,440
Why are we recording these scary
ones at night?

1114
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:50,960
I.
Don't know.

1115
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,600
I know we're not supposed to
tell people we're recording at

1116
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,600
night.
I have to go to bed.

1117
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:58,360
All right.
Well, thanks for.

1118
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,840
Joining us, Oh my gosh, thank
you so much.

1119
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:06,800
And you know, like, like we said
before, we we will be on like

1120
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,400
TikTok and Instagram and stuff
like that.

1121
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,760
So, you know, feel free to come
and bother us there.

1122
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,000
Yes, follow and like and comment
and.

1123
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,280
Wherever you're listening to
this like that would help us out

1124
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,360
a whole.
It really.

1125
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,760
Would thank you.
And we have a website,

1126
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,480
thebazaaraf.com.
You can actually leave us a

1127
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,960
voicemail and we'll listen to
it.

1128
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,960
And don't be too scary.
Actually be too scary.

1129
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:28,720
Yeah, be scary.
Please.

1130
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,680
Yeah, yeah.
OK, see ya, see ya.

1131
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:31,960
Bye.