The Denver Spiderman

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Hello, Bizarre Story friends,
You've tuned into the Bizarre

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AF, a place where we talk about
the strange, the unusual, the

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unknown, and all things bizarre
AF.

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I'm Kevin.
I'm going to be your host for

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today's episode.
As always, we ask that you keep

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an open mind, keep a skeptical
ear, but keep listening to the

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facts as we take you on our
newest Spooktacular story,

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Denver Spider Man.
Well hello my bizarre besties.

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Please help and welcome my Co
Hostess with the mostess Alicia.

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Hey, girl.
Hey.

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Hi.
Hi.

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Hi.
Whoa, whoa, I said.

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I was so far away, and then I
just ran right up here.

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Wow.
I know how.

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You doing?
I'm doing good.

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I'm doing good girl, how are
you?

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Good, good.
No spooky season.

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October we love.
Oh my God, I I love, I love the

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spooky, I love the scary.
Give me all the ghost stories.

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Like honestly.
Anything.

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Anything.
Anything yeah and, and give me

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like, like what's what's
interesting like we were talking

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about like, honestly, we could
probably do a different topic

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every single day.
That's like scary.

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It's just like scary and spooky,
but I love, I love the cool

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weather.
I love like getting all bundled

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up and getting, I love fall
clothes.

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Oh my God, yes.
I'm so excited.

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So spiders are creepy.
You know what I'm not very

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scared of?
Spiders No.

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No, but don't they look kind of
creepy though?

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Especially like tarantulas.
And they're like long spindly

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legs, I.
Like.

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The way that they move.
Exactly.

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And, and they go, they're they,
they go hand in hand with

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Halloween.
They do, absolutely.

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So I thought this, this, this
fits, this fits our, our theme

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this month.
And you remember the story about

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the Tylenol murders?
Remember that.

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I do, yeah.
Remember how they found a

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dismembered body in the attic?
I do remember that, yes.

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Do you remember there's a couple
of bizarre news story episodes

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back and I talked about all of
the string of murders and crazy

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people living in attics and
under beds.

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Oh my God, do you?
Remember that?

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Yes.
Yes, yes, well, this nightmare.

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Fuel.
I have another one for you.

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I'm.
So excited.

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I'm so excited for this story.
So I know you have heard of the

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Denver Spider Man.
I love this story, Yes.

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Yeah, you probably know the
whole did the general story, but

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there's a few deets that I found
that kind of put a little bit

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more context into his behaviour.
Oh, OK.

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I don't know about that.
Yeah, good.

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Since, and I think some of this
will be will be new for you yes

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you know what's also funny is
that there's a couple of

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episodes of very popular
television shows that were

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inspired by the Denver spider
man.

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There was ACSI episode called
Stalker and there was a Simpsons

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episode called The Ziff Who Came
to Denver and those were two

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episodes are based around Dimmer
Spider Man.

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I had no idea, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah, now I wanna go watch.
I haven't watched him, but I

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wanna go watch.
Yeah.

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Same.
I like a Simpsons episode.

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Come on.
Right.

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Oh my God.
OK.

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Right.
I can't believe South Park

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hasn't done it, to be quite
honest.

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I'm, I'm actually real, I'm
shocked that they haven't.

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Well, I guess they have some
really great material right now

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that's happening.
Kind of taking part.

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Yeah, like like that's, that's
in the.

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We got enough material, yeah.
When we don't have an idea,

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we'll use Denver Spider Man.
Yeah, that's a great point.

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OK, so I'm going to, I'm going
to tell y'all about Denver

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Spider Man.
And again, it's just another

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bizarre AF story in our arsenal
of crazy because we got, I mean,

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and you've particularly have
made pages and pages and pages

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and pages and pages of topics.
This is just one pulled

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out-of-the-box.
Hundreds.

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Yes.
So we're going to go back to the

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late 1800s.
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Theodore Konis was born November
10th, 1882 in Pittsburgh,

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Illinois.
Thomas Konis, born in 1844,

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married in Canadian.
It was a Canadian.

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He was a Canadian, Never Grant.
And he owned a hardware store in

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Petersburg.
And his wife, Isabella Ellum, I

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think El AM, she was born in
1851 and they were the parents

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of Theodore, right?
OK.

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Immigrant roots.
Yep, Yep.

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So Thomas, which is Theodore's
dad, dies in 1888.

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And so Isabella and Theodore end
up moving around, but they end

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up going to Denver, come to
Denver color, or should say come

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to Denver, Co around 1898, where
she worked as a housekeeper at

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what was called the Denver
Democratic Club.

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Oh, OK.
Now, Theodore suffered from poor

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health his whole life.
In fact, he had been told by

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doctors to not expect to live
past her 18th birthday.

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And because of this, theater
decides, well, then why do I go

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to school?
I'm not even going to go to

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school.
Like, what's the point, right?

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I'm gonna enjoy life.
Enjoy life.

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Yeah.
So Theodore was actually quite

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good at the mandolin.
Oh, the instrument, yeah.

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And he would walk the streets of
Denver playing anywhere he

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really could to make money.
Because he didn't have an

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education.
Right, exactly because he didn't

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have much of A choice.
Right, right.

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He's gonna die by before 18.
Yep.

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And his, you know, he didn't
have the diploma and his mother

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wouldn't let him work because of
his condition.

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Because he's incredibly sickly,
not like.

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Incredibly sickly.
Yeah, it's not like this kid,

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you know, You're like, OK, make
sure you're all buttoned up and

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you don't catch a cold cover
your chest.

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Like she was like the ultimate
hover parent, right?

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Totally.
I lost my my husband.

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I'm not going to lose the only
thing that I have tied to my

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husband.
Right.

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And she's going to let you know
she's going to lose him soon.

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So yeah, totally protective.
So in 1899, Theodore is 17 years

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old.
We'll call him Theo.

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Yeah, Theo.
And a man by the name of Philip

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Peters had just started his
career at a Denver, the Denver

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Railroad office, and he had a
brand new bride and he purchased

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a new bungalow on a quiet St. in
Denver's Middle North Side.

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And if you're at all familiar
with Denver, that area is now

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what we refer to as Highland.
The Highland.

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And it is now kind.
It's like hipster Poshy.

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Oh yeah, these are the like,
even the shittiest looking house

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is like $1,000,000.
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Like these, these are it's, it's
beyond his.

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It's like it's totally posh.
Like that is like one of the

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hottest neighborhoods to live
in.

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Yeah.
You know the the young like.

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Walk around, go go in your
neighborhood.

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Holding your phone on you know,
and you have your little.

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Coffee your.
Little Louis Vuitton bag and

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you're walking to a shop and.
Yes.

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And you're and you're Pataguchi
with your designer dog.

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Like in the in the corner.
You're like, oh, hey, yeah,

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yeah.
I live in the Highlands.

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I I'm paying like over
$1,000,000 for my house, but I

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have no parking.
There's no parking.

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Oh God, that right.
There's no parking in that

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neighborhood and and very few
people have garages.

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These are all old.
Homes and the developers don't

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want to put garages because they
need the space for all of their

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freaking apartments.
Exactly.

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Exactly.
It's so Philip Peters and his

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wife would host people at their
home and they called it the

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Mandolin Club because they
wanted to learn how to play and

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their their friends wanted to
learn how to play.

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And Theo lands this gig giving
them mandolin lessons.

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Great, the one thing he knows
how to do right.

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Because remember, he can't get a
job because mummy won't let him

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work so.
And he's sickly, he's going to

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die and.
He can play the mandolin.

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So yeah, we're making money.
So he the more he comes to their

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home and, you know, is teaching
them the mandolin, the more he

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kind of starts to resent and
hate Philip for really his

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success and ultimately his life,
his wife, his home, like,

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everything.
He becomes completely resentful

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and jealous, right?
He, like, thinks he has

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everything and he's about to
die.

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So yeah, he gets very resentful.
Sure.

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At this point, remember, he
thinks he has less than a year

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to live.
I guess he's 17.

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Yeah.
Oh, yes.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Right.

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And there were many, many nights
in the fall of 1899 when Thea

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was actually the only guest at
their house, and one night the

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Peters had asked him to dine
with them.

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Will you dine with us?
He told them he had not finished

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high school, that his mother
wouldn't let him get a job and

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how he was going to die very,
very soon.

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He told them all about his
boyhood in Illinois and how his

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father died when he was really
young and an infant.

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Really talked about how he
really wanted to play ball, but

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that wasn't good for his heart,
so he couldn't play ball.

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And that really how he
ultimately hated people for

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staring and laughing at him
because he looked sickly.

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He looked sickly and he wanted
to live by himself where he

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couldn't, you know, hear people
judging and mocking him.

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Oh my God, He's like the best
dinner guest ever.

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Yeah.
Like this is great.

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We're so happy we made this
fucking meal and are just

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sitting here listening to you
right.

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Oh my God, he sounds like an
insult.

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Doesn't he sound like a joy?
He sounds like like a red

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pillar.
He sounds like one of those

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those people who just like
blames the world for all of

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their their issues.
He's bitter, bitter, bitter.

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Bitter, bitter man.
Yes.

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And you know, like, they're so
nice to give him one a job, but

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then to say, hey, why don't you
come on over?

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You seem a little fucking weird.
We're going to try to like

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befriend you and take pity on
you because you're a weirdo.

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And we are good people with
good.

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Hearts.
Exactly.

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So ultimately, the lessons stop.
They're like, oh, this is who

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you are.
Several years later, it's a

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snowy evening when Phil Peters
was leaving work.

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He brushed shoulders with this
slender, shabby figure.

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And guess who it was?
Theo.

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Oh, Theo.
He tells Phil how his mother had

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lost their money to some men who
had talked her into selling

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property in Illinois.
That property that they had they

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owned in Illinois and investing
in a mine in the foothills of

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Denver, but they never saw them
again, so they lost all of their

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money.
Oh, my God.

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So Peters invites him to dinner
again, and Theo tells him that

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really, he's doing his best to
take care of his mother.

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You know, he has to take care of
his mother.

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And that he got a job at an
advertising firm down in

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downtown Denver.
Oh nice.

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Evening finishes, they part ways
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The next time Phil sees Theo was
in the spring of 1912.

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So we are 12 years later.
So you're telling me he didn't

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die when he?
Was didn't die when he was 18.

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Oh God, could you imagine?
Like, like you're building up

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and you're thinking I'm gonna
die.

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I'm gonna die in less than a
year and like, I'm just gonna

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live life to the fullest.
And it just keeps dragging and

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dragging and dragging.
I'm gonna die any minute.

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I'm gonna die any minute.
Die any minute.

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No wonder.
Why he was like the epitome of

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like macabre Eeyore you're.
Right.

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Exactly like this guy's like
super like Downer, like Debbie

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Downer, Theo Downer, you know,
like, like he was just like

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super not great.
And and at least he now has.

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But it's like one of those
things like you think about, OK,

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he keeps on like saying all this
negative stuff and all this

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negative stuff starts happening
to him or is continues to happen

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to him.
So it's like he's just focusing

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on that and not like the hey,
it's great.

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I got a job and, you know,
advertising downtown Denver even

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though I didn't even have like a
degree or graduate from high

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school.
Go to school.

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Like he could have made
something of himself, no doubt.

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Absolutely.
So this is spring of 1912 and

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Theo tells feel that his mother
had died the previous year, so

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1911, and that he's just he's
kept living, not expecting to

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live.
And he just he never knew what

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to do because he just was never
expecting to live this long.

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He hadn't planned like nothing,
right?

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So again, they part ways during
the next few decades.

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Theo is all over the place.
OK.

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He tries to get into the Army,
but with his health, right,

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They're actually literally
laughing him out the room.

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Like are you Cray Cray Boo?
No way.

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Yeah, you can't do anything.
He somehow manages to go to

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California where he lives like a
complete hobo under this bridge.

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It was like like all jungly and
stuff.

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He lived there.
He would find total shit holes

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in flip houses, flop houses to
live in.

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Just like a total homeless
person.

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He drifts state to state to
state, actually ends up back in

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New York to try to become a
salesman that ultimately fails.

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He gives that up and ends up
coming back to Denver in

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September of 1941.
Oh my God, this guy.

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So the guy's living and living
and living and living.

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I mean, and he's living on the
streets.

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He's not nearly as sickly as
they thought he was.

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What the hell?
And he can't be healthy living

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like a homeless person.
No, underneath the bridge.

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Yeah.
Yeah, he was.

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Literally his body was doing way
better than people thought.

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He's literally a troll under the
bridge.

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Yes, like, exactly what I mean.
Yeah, and he keeps on living.

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Crazy.
Totally crazy.

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Crazy.
Can't even have life.

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So this is September 1941.
So a neighbor of Phil Peters had

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been preparing dinners at her
house for Phil because his wife

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had broken a hip a couple weeks
prior and she was in the

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hospital.
OK.

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And this was October, an evening
in in October of 41, and he

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never shows up to pick up the
meal.

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And the neighbor knew that he
had personally not been doing

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well without his wife at home.
And so she went to go see if he

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was all right.
But no one came to the door when

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she was ringing the doorbell.
And it was dark.

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And so she goes and grabs other
neighbors and says, hey, you

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know, Phil's not answering.
Come to the house with me.

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And, and this helped me figure
out, you know, it feels OK.

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And so they all tried the doors.
They were all locked as well as

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the window screens.
But a girl did find one screen,

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loosened it and pried open the
window so she was able to climb

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inside.
So she enters the the dark, dark

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house and then suddenly they all
just hear her scream.

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And she found Phil Peters dead
on the floor.

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And he was 7073 years old at
this time.

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So when the police arrive they
discover his body in the

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downstairs bedroom.
He was bloody, half dressed,

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barefooted and had been beaten
and beaten and beaten.

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Oh my God.
And clearly beaten long after he

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was dead.
I did not know this.

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So.
This is.

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Personal if you, if you want.
Bingo.

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If you watch any TV at all in
these crime shows, you know that

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when people murder people that
way, it's personal.

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It's not just some random murder
or house robbery.

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It is personal.
Yeah.

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And they're pretty sure Phil
never even knew what hit him.

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That's they're pretty sure about
that.

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Oh well, thank God for that.
They found his watch and his

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money laying on a dresser, so
they knew no one's.

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Robbery.
Yeah.

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No one stole anything.
No one stole anything.

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They beat the shit out of him
even after he was dead.

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So, OK, all right, at least we
kind of have an idea that

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someone he knew, someone that
hated him.

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Has a vendetta against him some
like 70 year old man like so

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weird.
So here's where it gets creepy

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AF.
OK.

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So the front and the back door
was locked, but the front door

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was also secured with a chain.
This is when the when they

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arrive.
Right.

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Which means that how could you
murder someone, leave, and then

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chain the door?
Yes, yes.

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And they found 2 cast iron
shakers and they do.

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You know what cast iron shaker
is?

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You know what Shaker is and the
old time the stoves, especially

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when you had wood stoves, they
had these things that you would

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shake them and it would put the,
send the coals down into a

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bucket and so that you could
take the bucket and empty the

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coals.
And they're, they're called

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shakers and they're generally
made out of cast iron cause

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those ovens were made out of
cast iron and they're big.

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So they're, you know, about like
that, like maybe a foot by, I

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don't know, 8 inches, 10 inches,
maybe maybe they're longer, 14

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inches.
So it's, it's kind of big.

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Yeah.
So they find two of those

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shakers in the kitchen, one that
had lots of dust and ash on it,

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and the other one was clean.
And they also find a damp towel

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with blood stains on it.
And so the police start

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profiling the murder and they
come to the conclusion that this

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guy was must be a big guy.
Like they're calling him blood

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crazy.
Like thirsty.

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Crazy.
Bloodlust, big guy and that, or

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her and that.
He or she had completely

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vanished without a trace.
This is what they're left.

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With.
Well, yeah, like this seems like

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a ghostly apparition, like, came
in to to kill.

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And, you know, you hear about
this all the time.

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Like it's defying any kind of
understanding we have if

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everything's still locked on the
inside of the house, Like.

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Yeah.
What?

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How the hell did they get out?
Yeah, yeah, How did they get out

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and what kind of like crazy ass
like magic is?

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I don't know that like I'd be
like there has to like there's

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no other way.
There's no like intruder.

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It's not like they have like,
you know, tarred footsteps or

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muddy footsteps or bloody
footsteps going out the door,

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which I'm assuming that if
they're if the if those guy was

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beat so bad and even after the
fucking he's dead.

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Like how is there not any kind
of evidence of an intruder

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leaving?
There has to be blood all over

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the place.
And they've searched the house.

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They searched the house.
They actually even see, you know

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how in the house you have a
attic, like in the closets, you

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have a hole to get up in the
attic.

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I even saw that, but it was
tiny.

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It was tiny.
It's not like someone could be

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hiding up there.
And they even pushed it.

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It was like they couldn't open
it.

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So, and they searched this
house.

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Nothing, absolutely nothing is
in there.

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And so now it's January of 1942.
This is a couple of months after

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Phil's murder.
Bitter cold day, temperature

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below 0, which it had been for
many days.

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There's this group of children,
they're hurrying by the bungalow

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going to school, and they report
seeing a light inside the house.

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And just days before that,
another neighbor reported she

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had seen this ghostly face
inside the shadowy window.

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I mean, come on, ghostly
apparition, we.

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Love it.
Everyone is convinced in the

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neighborhood that the the house,
this house is haunted.

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Yeah.
So once Missus Peters recovers,

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she decided to return to that
house that had been her home for

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50 years.
Oh my God, yeah.

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And so one night, something
startled her.

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She fell.
Ree broke her hip.

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Oh my God.
I mean, she's an old, old lady.

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Osteoporosity, you know.
What, so she didn't want to go

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back to the hospital so she ends
up hiring a full time nurse?

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Understandable.
To live with her.

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And one night this nurse asked
Misses Peters is if her house is

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haunted.
And she said, of course it's

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not.
But the nurse tells Misses

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Peters that she hears rattling
noises inside the house.

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She can't figure out where it's
coming from, but she's hearing

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these rattling noises.
So they tell the police.

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And after another thorough
investigation, they're finding

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nothing.
And a few days later, the nurse

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reports what she called a spook
on the back stairs that

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chattered its teeth at her.
You know, like.

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My God, that's that is the last
thing you would want to see.

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No thank you.
No thank you.

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Holy shit.
So she immediately resigns.

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OK, I don't care how much these
people are paying me, I am not

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staying.
Here, Mama gone.

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Yeah, someone's doing this,
chattering their teeth at me,

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and I'm hearing shit like in
this house, this woman's husband

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just died.
I don't care how broken this

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woman's hip is, it is not worth
me also dying.

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Exactly, exactly.
That's the first.

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Thing it's haunted.
Could God?

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And the neighborhood was very,
very tight knit.

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Lots of caring neighbors.
So one of the close neighbors

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stepped in to help instead.
Makes sense.

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Several days later than that
neighborhood believes, she heard

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a mysterious noise, and without
turning on the light, she

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hurried into the kitchen to
investigate, where she saw a

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quote ghost at the foot of the
stairs.

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You know.
And she told investigators that

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it was like a filthy wrath like
thing that vanished when she

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screamed and she had no idea
where it went.

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This is, it's like one of those
things you're like, is this, is

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this like, are these
apparitions?

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Are these things happening
because people are just paying

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more attention to it now or like
what's going on here?

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What's?
Going on.

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Like, it's like all of this
action, this energy is happening

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around the same time.
Yeah.

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But also is the woman who like
now lives in the house A7 year

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old woman?
Is she hearing these things or

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seeing?
These misses Peters.

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Misses Peters like is Misses
Peters actually like, well,

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she's bad.
She's hearing some, which is

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what caused her to refracture
her hip right she's.

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Hearing some so she's saying
there is something going on.

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Yeah, but she's just not sure.
Also, she's staying in her

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house.
She's.

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Kind of one of those people that
just don't want to leave their

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50 year old home, right?
They're just like, fuck that.

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I'm not letting some ghost kick
me out of my house.

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I guess I get it.
The police decide to They're

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going to keep a watch on the
House.

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We're just going to watch the
house now.

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And finally misses Peters
relatives through insisting,

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insisting, insisting, insisting.
Finally get her to go live with

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her son in western Colorado.
Not entirely sure, probably like

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Grand Junction or something.
Right now the house is empty.

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It's now July 1942, and two men
from the Denver Police

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Department were stationed on the
lookout across the street from

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the house.
The sun was starting to get low

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and as there was a postman that
was making his deliveries and

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the policeman had been watching
him when one of them sees what

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he called a hobgoblin like face
in the opening between the

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curtains in the bungalow.
And so he elbows the other guy

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go hey, hey, hey, hey.
And he sees it and it freaks

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him, obviously the F out.
So the two policemen take off

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across the street and one of
them was blowing their whistles

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back when they had whistles in.
The window vanishes as they're

457
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,160
running out to the house, and so
they bust in the door with their

458
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,880
shoulders.
Yes, a furniture all covered in

459
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,400
sheets.
There's old magazines laying all

460
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,960
over the place.
It was dark, it was musky.

461
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,760
And they see this portrait
that's hanging over the piano,

462
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:52,760
and it was of this kind of tall,
frail, sickly looking, thin man

463
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,160
with a turtleneck sweater
holding a mandolin.

464
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,440
OK, 11 the the ghost came out
and created had a had a painting

465
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,000
created of him like like or or
this is the haunting of like

466
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,600
this.
They were the first the this

467
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800
family was the first ones to own
the house, right?

468
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,000
I don't think that that's
necessarily true.

469
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,280
OK, I mean, but there weren't a
ton of.

470
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Family.
I mean, it could have been, but

471
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,760
yeah.
Yeah, it's not like they had

472
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
like it's, it's been a house
that's been around for

473
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,440
generations.
Yeah, right.

474
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,040
It's not that.
They're one of like the first

475
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,120
yeah owners.
So no doubt we can't like look

476
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,040
at it and be like this was some
kind of like French.

477
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,920
Ancient, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, what the hell?

478
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,400
So the two men begin to search
the lower level, and they're

479
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,520
complaining the whole time that
the rooms reek of some, like,

480
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,480
gross animal stench.
There were more police coming to

481
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,040
help them.
They head upstairs just in time

482
00:27:52,040 --> 00:28:00,400
to see a closet door close.
And so the cop opens the closet

483
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,560
door and he sees that are two
bare feet kind of kicking

484
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:12,360
violently from the ceiling.
And he ends up grabbing these

485
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,120
trousers and his feet.
And of course, he's kicking,

486
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,840
kicking, kicking, kicking.
And the cop grabs his pants leg,

487
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,400
but it rips off.
And so the the legs are starting

488
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,880
to go up.
And so then he grabs the ankle

489
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,320
and he pulls really hard.
And they just hear the scream in

490
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,400
the attic.
Yeah, and they finally get him

491
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,280
down and it's just real, like
scarecrow of a man, like gaunt,

492
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:45,920
thin, like skin and bones,
totally tattered clothes, filthy

493
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200
bare feet.
His hair is completely tangled

494
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,720
and he's now laying outstretched
on the bedroom floor,

495
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,280
unconscious because of this
pain, I guess.

496
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,840
Probably knocked him unconscious
or in the fall or something.

497
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Yeah.
So the police captain orders

498
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,480
them to get a doctor and an
ambulance because the man was

499
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,600
like barely alive and clearly he
was malnourished and starved.

500
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Like skin and bones, skin and
bones person.

501
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,840
So they take a look at the hole,
and it was a hole that was just

502
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,200
about, you know, how big a cigar
box is.

503
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,920
You know, it's about like, what
is that at 12 inches by, I don't

504
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,360
know, eight or something?
It's not very big.

505
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,320
Yeah, like smaller than a, than
a shoebox, like maybe a

506
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,520
children's shoebox or something.
They said it was no bigger than

507
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,920
three of those put together.
It was a tiny, tiny hole.

508
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,760
One of them tried to get through
that hole himself and couldn't

509
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
even possibly get through that
hole.

510
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,920
But he could see in the space up
there, and there was this little

511
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,480
bitty room that was maybe a few
sizes bigger than a coffin.

512
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,000
I mean, he said it was small.
They found a small bulb hanging

513
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,520
from a wire, overpowering animal
stench.

514
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,120
And he can make out a bed that
was made out of an old ironing

515
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:08,720
board.
Oh.

516
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,560
My God.
Magazines in the corners and the

517
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
corners were infested with
spiders.

518
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Yeah.
So once the man regains

519
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,000
consciousness, they take him to
police headquarters and that's

520
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,200
where this man starts telling
them this story.

521
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,600
Oh my I'm I am waiting for this
motherfucker.

522
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,920
This like weird ass gross Wraith
like person.

523
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,040
So this was this came out of the
police report.

524
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,120
OK.
And this is him speaking.

525
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,840
Everything would have been all
right and Phil Peters would have

526
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,040
been alive today if he hadn't
caught me in the icebox.

527
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,120
It was him or me.
I thought he had gone out, but

528
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,320
he was actually taking a nap.
I hit him with the stove shaker

529
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,560
when he tried to run for help.
I don't know if he recognized

530
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,800
me.
It was nearly 30 years since I

531
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,320
had seen him last, and when it
was over, I ran to the attic

532
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,640
after I washed and dried the
shaker.

533
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,400
I was sitting on the trap door
when you guys were pounding on

534
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,960
it from below that night that
you found him, which is why they

535
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,520
couldn't open that hole that
they found.

536
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,320
He was sitting on it.
He was sitting on it.

537
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,080
And you know what, when you're
trying to like, you know, yeah,

538
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
push something up like that,
it's harder to do.

539
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,880
Yeah, you don't have leverage.
You don't have enough leverage,

540
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Yeah.
So he goes on.

541
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240
I was in the neighborhood in
September of 1941 and found the

542
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,760
house unlocked and no one home.
I went in to steal some food.

543
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760
I was in really bad shape.
My lungs were giving me a lot of

544
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,960
trouble and I was at the end of
my rope.

545
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Fall was coming on and I
couldn't face another winter on

546
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,160
the road.
I had to find a place to stay.

547
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,840
I didn't know Missus Peters was
in the hospital.

548
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,840
I found the hole in the closet,
climbed through and slept for a

549
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400
few days.
Whenever I heard him downstairs,

550
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:25,160
I kept really still.
As time went on, I got bolder,

551
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000
and I used to shadow him from
room to room.

552
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,200
It was sort of a game.
It gave me a thrill.

553
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,000
It was the first time in my life
I had ever had anyone at my

554
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,840
mercy.
But I didn't want to hurt him.

555
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,720
It was miserable hot in the
summer in that attic, and my

556
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,960
feet froze in the dead of winter
in that attic.

557
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,520
But it was all part of the price
I was willing to pay.

558
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640
I can't tell you why I stuck it
out.

559
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,160
I guess it was mostly because it
was a world all my own.

560
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080
I used to go down and look out
the windows and watch the

561
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,800
postman come by.
Nobody has written in 25 years.

562
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,880
When I saw people on the street,
I hated them and would go back

563
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:28,160
to my attic.
I mean, we said he was bitter.

564
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,120
He.
Bitter, creepy, creepy.

565
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:40,760
Like deranged, just angry at the
world.

566
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,480
Yes.
And like, I hate, I hate that

567
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,680
I'm going to even say this.
I kind of feel bad for.

568
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Him, you do start to feel bad
for him.

569
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Isn't that weird?
You do you, have you?

570
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Have way more yes, sympathy and
empathy because you're like,

571
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,680
well, it sounds like what an
awful way to live your life and

572
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,960
this is your reality and like,
it just sucks that like you're

573
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,360
like who you are as a person is
so broken and so.

574
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,679
But the left up part is the
hymns like creeping behind him

575
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:21,320
ringed a room while.
I'm going to, you know, bring my

576
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,120
spindly long arms and creep.
You Can you imagine knowing

577
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
someone was following you in
your inner own house?

578
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,560
I was just creepy.
OK, OK, I would get.

579
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,080
I would not give up, but like
you cannot trust anything

580
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,600
anymore like I would have not
that something would break

581
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,560
inside of me.
I would be like Charles the the

582
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Mad King.
So.

583
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,760
Paranoid, I would be so paranoid
and then like like the place

584
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080
that you have known your as your
home for 50 years.

585
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
It's so.
Violated SO.

586
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:04,320
Violated and by someone that you
like, some random ass person you

587
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,000
knew like over 20 years ago that
you thought was fucking creepy

588
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,640
and you kind of fired in the
past.

589
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,320
Like, like you took pity on like
these people took pity on this

590
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,080
man.
Trying to be nice.

591
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,920
So sad.
So the local newspaper dubbed

592
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,560
him the Sneaky Sneaky Spider Man
of Denver after the police

593
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,680
detective Fred Zaro remarked a
man would have to be a spider to

594
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,360
stay up there that long.
I mean a spider is being

595
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,280
generous with with him.
Well, they figured, you know, it

596
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,560
was the room was covered in
spiders, so and he tolerated

597
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,120
them.
So that's kind of how he got his

598
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,520
nickname.
So Theo was also known as

599
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Matthew Cornish. 5 foot 10135
lbs.

600
00:35:55,240 --> 00:36:02,400
And now well past 60. 5/10 1:30
That's very, very small and.

601
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Tried and convicted and then
sentenced to life imprisonment

602
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,840
at the Colorado State
Penitentiary in Canyon City,

603
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:18,880
Colorado on November 18th, 1942.
He died at the prison hospital

604
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:25,960
on May 16th, 1967, well past his
18th birthday.

605
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Oh my God dude was like close to
80 or was he 80?

606
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Yeah, yeah.
So born in what was it?

607
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,680
What did we say?
99 or no, what did we say?

608
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120
He was born. 80 I thought it was
like. 80 Theodore was born in

609
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,520
1882. 82 to 60, Yeah, He was
like, in his 70s.

610
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, OK.

611
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:56,240
That that is just like a lesson.
And never assume the worst if

612
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,640
you assume the worship.
Of that energy, it's never give

613
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,680
up.
Never give up.

614
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Never give up, just.
When you think that you're at

615
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,560
your end and you can't possibly
pull out of it, don't.

616
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,200
Don't give up.
This guy gave up, or else you're

617
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,800
going to live like a fucking
Wildman, that is.

618
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,720
For 60 years.
An animal.

619
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,800
An animal.
That guy became an animal.

620
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:24,200
A bitter, angry person killed
someone who showed him kindness,

621
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,160
terrorized, you know, his wife.
Like like these people were kind

622
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,440
to him and he just he resented
them and like and and thought

623
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,760
that they were somehow an in his
mercy.

624
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:40,840
Like that's like deranged, like
UN just messed up.

625
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,880
Messed up.
Screw that guy.

626
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,000
I kind of want to see some
pictures of him though too.

627
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,840
Like, yeah, yeah, I'll put a
link.

628
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,400
I think I found that there's a
Denver news article that I had

629
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,640
found that talked about it
originally.

630
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,080
So yeah, I'll try to put that in
the notes so people can take a

631
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,360
look at.
It by the way, not to be creepy,

632
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,440
but you know you can find this
house is still standing in

633
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Denver.
I actually, I have like walked

634
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,360
past it with friends.
We're like, we're in the

635
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,760
neighborhood.
Let's like go.

636
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,000
And and so we like walked past
it and like the light in the

637
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,520
attic turned on.
I was like, Oh my God, I like

638
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,200
ran through.
But people live there so don't

639
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,520
like bother them.
But you know, you can cruise by.

640
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,360
It's still, it's still up.
So were there facts that you

641
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,120
hadn't heard before in this
story?

642
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,800
Yeah, yeah, there were.
There were a ton of facts I

643
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,720
hadn't heard.
Yeah, great.

644
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,280
It still creeps me out.
I'm so happy we didn't talk

645
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,080
about it like earlier.
Oh God.

646
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,640
Cool.
Well, thanks for listening to my

647
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,200
story and we'll see you in a
couple weeks.

648
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Yes, thank you.
So much, it was so fun.

649
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Great.
All right.

650
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,560
See you.
Everybody see you.

651
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Bye.