Betty and Barney Hill - The Alien Abduction

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If you're tuned in now, you are
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the strange, the unusual, the

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unknown in all things bizarre.
A F I'm Alicia, your Hostess for

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today's episode.
As always, we ask that you keep

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an open mind, keep a skeptical
ear, but keep on listening to

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those facts as we take you on
our newest journey, the Betty

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and Barney Hill Incident.
Well, hello my cohost with the

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most Kevin.
How are you darling?

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I'm doing.
Great, babe.

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How are you?
I'm good.

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You know, you look good in
green.

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Oh, my God.
Thank you.

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Thank you.
I was actually, I was a little

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nervous about wearing this
green.

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I'm like, this can be too much.
There's no such thing.

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No.
Such thing as you look very

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dapper.
Do I?

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Yes.
I look like, what's the guy from

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that TV show?
Tam Jon Hamm.

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What's that movie?
Oh, my gosh.

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From Mad Men.
Yes.

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Yes, you do.
You are.

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You could be in that
advertisement business.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
You'd be there making the

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Manhattan and talking to a
person.

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Yeah.
So when we must be talking about

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50 Sixties stuff, We are.
Yeah, we are talking about

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something that occurred in, you
know, the way back when.

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Machine.
Not way back.

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But since we have to go back in
time, I thought we might as well

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dress the part right?
Like if we're gonna fit in.

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Yeah, we can't be.
We can't have cell phones, we

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can't have joggers on.
Exactly curl.

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Necklace, Mrs. Cleaver?
Yes, exactly what I was going

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for.
Yeah, so when was like the first

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time that you heard about alien
abduction like or what do you

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think of when you hear alien
abduction like basics?

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Basics, yeah.
What happens?

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The alien ship with the beam of
light lifting the person up into

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the.
Spaceship, You know, they're all

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kind of like, sprawled out,
like, just letting it, like,

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pick you up.
And then necessarily, anal

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probing.
Exactly.

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You're like a lip doll or
something.

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Oh, I think of anal probing.
Probing of some sort?

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No, of course you think of that.
That's like it's a violation,

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right?
Right.

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You think of a violation.
Totally violation.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's not like they're asking you

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questions or saying trying to
get to know you.

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No, they are like.
Poking your ass.

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Yeah, literally.
Quite literally.

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OK, so we're actually going to
talk today about now they call

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it the Betty and Barney Hill or
the Hill incident.

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Yeah.
And.

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And it's also called, like, the
Zeta Reticuli incident.

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It has multiple names, all the
same thing that we're going to

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talk about today.
And this is like a classic, a

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literal classic of alien
abduction.

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Well, this.
Story connects to many other

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stories, which is why it is so
completely plausible, yes.

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When we talked about Area 51 and
the area underneath there where

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they were storing all the
shenanigans, yes, Betty and

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Barney Hill came up because it
can.

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It all connected with.
J Rod and everything.

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Yeah, it's all connected.
There's.

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All connected.
Well, this, yeah, this story is

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really the story that framed the
alien abduction scenario that

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you just spoke of.
That's that is exactly what

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we're going to get down to.
And this this had happened

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before the stories came out
right before we had Unsolved

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Mysteries and gosh, like
podcasts and and and we knew

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about J Rod.
This this happened before all of

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that and these people were
normal people.

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They weren't like.
Yeah, they weren't.

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Pain grabbers or social media
influencers, Yes.

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Or weirdos standing on the side
of the road.

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Like like I married my cousin
and I also, I also got picked up

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by an alien.
It's like, OK, Jethro, you did

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not get picked up by an alien.
No alien would want you unless

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it were to like like a curiosity
like experiment.

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You're weird.
Let.

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Me look at you like you're
really inbred.

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What?
But these people were really

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normal.
So, Okay, in order for us to

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actually, like, really go back,
I already spoke of it.

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But we we do need to go back in
time.

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Thank God we're wearing what we
are wearing.

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We're going to go back to
September 19th, 1961, the early

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60s.
Now we have, it's a couple Betty

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and Barney Hill or Barney and
Betty Hill.

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And they had just gotten
married, but this was in the

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early 60s, so I can't even
believe that this was a thing.

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But it was a thing.
Interracial couples were rare,

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right?
I mean, gosh, if you were

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Italian and Irish families would
have issues with you getting

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being married or whatever.
Betty and Barney Hill were an

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interracial couple.
Betty was white, Barney was

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black, and they were also
incredibly involved.

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Barney was a postal worker and
he was incredibly involved in

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the civil rights movement.
Of course, you know, he had, you

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know, he was.
So Betty was a social worker and

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they were both members of the
Unitarian Church, Okay, very

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active in the NW, AA, CP and
actually Barney even sat on the

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local board of the US Commission
on Civil Rights.

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So he was incredibly, incredibly
active in the civil rights

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movement.
They both were very strange to

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be an interracial couple, but
they were really paving the way.

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And they believed, you know,
love has a way.

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They loved each other.
Want to get together.

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Love was love.
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Love.
Love is love is.

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Love is.
Love is.

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Love is love is love.
Yes, absolutely.

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So back to September 19th, 1961,
the Hills.

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Betty and Barney are newly the
hills, OK.

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They are on their honeymoon and
they're actually driving back

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from Portsmouth to just in the,
you know, wilderness or like in

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the sticks.
What state is is Portsmouth.

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They were in.
They actually had a it was a

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vacation in Niagara Falls.
Oh, and Montreal.

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So they were.
Up in Canada, yes, they're

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coming back.
OK, OK.

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And they actually, you know,
this is, this is what their

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story is, OK, of events.
So Betty looks up in the sky.

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They're in the middle of
nowhere, Podunk, dark.

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It's like 10:00 PM, 10:30 PM
ish.

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They look up in the sky and
Betty sees what she thought was

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a shooting star.
She's like, OK, that's a

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shooting star, But it's moving
erratically.

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It's not like descending or
going straight.

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It's moving in different
directions.

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OK.
So she she's like, OK, that's

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kind of weird.
But, you know, maybe you just

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don't think about it.
So Barney's driving and she's

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saying this, and what would you
do if we were in a car together?

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And I'm like, that's weird.
Like, this is happening.

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Like, you're probably seeing
things, right?

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Like, right.
You wouldn't necessarily think.

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No, I, yeah.
You'd kind of blow it off a

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little bit, be like, OK, yeah.
Sure.

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What happened?
I mean, I probably kind of look

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and go, yeah, yeah, so it's
moving.

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It's moving around.
And she thought, OK, falling

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star, but it's moving up OK.
That doesn't really work.

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And it kept on growing bigger
and brighter and small.

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So it was like changing in size.
And she's like, Barney, we need

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to stop the car.
There's something up.

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We need to take a closer look.
He's like, well, come on, I'm on

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them in the middle of nowhere.
Where the hell am I going to

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pull over?
So he finds an area to actually

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pull over, and they have this
dog and we'll have it in the

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show notes.
It's like a Wiener dog, a

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longhaired Wiener dog called
Delsy.

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So, like, OK, fine, we have to
walk the dog anyway, so we'll

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stop in this, like, picnic area.
So they stop.

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Pitch black.
They in the middle of nowhere

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Must be pitch black.
It's pitch black.

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It's like 10.
Yeah, it's in the it's 1961.

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We don't have probably the
lights that we have today,

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right?
It's really dark.

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You know, you're not just going
to stop on the side of the road,

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you have to wait for a certain
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So he pulls over.
They end up being at a Picnic

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point, scenic point just South
of Twin Mountain.

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Betty has her binoculars because
they they were on their little

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honey on.
Niagara Falls, yeah, Yeah.

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So she looks and she's like this
is definitely not which she

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already thought.
This is not a shooting star,

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it's oddly shaped and it has
multi colored lights on it so

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and it's traveling across the
face of the moon.

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So like it's going past the face
of the moon and she's like maybe

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this is a flying saucer because
in the in in her past she's like

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she and her sister claim to have
seen a flying saucer.

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Were there comic books about
some flying saucers and stuff?

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Yes, definitely sure.
So maybe that was part of it.

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But this had multi color lights.
Nothing like that was flying in

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the air erratically like that at
that time in 1961.

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Do you have any idea?
Do you know when she saw, when

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she was, when she was looking at
this thing?

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Do you?
Did it look like it was close or

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did it look like it was like
moon distance, like or could she

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like a plane Like do you know,
she was getting closer, so she

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saw it like getting bigger.
And I'm assuming if it's getting

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bigger, it's getting closer to
you.

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Like if you're seeing a a plane
in the air, it's bigger.

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If it's closer to where you're
standing, right.

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It's like the vantage point.
Yeah.

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I don't think that, you know, I
think that she just saw it like

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as a passenger and was just
looking up, like, what the heck

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is this?
It was.

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Moving so weird.
She's like some.

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This does not compute.
Yeah.

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And she didn't have the
opportunity because they were

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moving in a car to actually
inspect it.

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Right.
Which is why they needed to stop

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at the scenic point.
Yeah.

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Barney's like, yeah, right, This
is a commercial flight, like

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airliner.
Like, you're crazy.

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You need to go to bed, okay.
Chillax Betty.

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Yeah, Betty, like chill.
Maybe, maybe had a couple too

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many, like Manhattans or
whatever.

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But he looks through the
binoculars and he's like, oh,

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I'm wrong, This is not a plane.
So they continue driving down

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this road and and so here's the
thing, if you see something like

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this, are you gonna try
following it?

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No, no, me neither.
No, no way.

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Especially.
Yeah.

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No.
No way.

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No.
Yeah.

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I mean why you're asking for
trouble at this point.

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Well, especially if you don't
know what it is, absolutely.

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I was like, like, OK, best case
scenario, it's maybe like, you

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know, someone's fucking around
with like a weather balloon or

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something, I don't know.
But like, or it's a government

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plane.
That's like, you know, they're

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doing testing on either in the
world, nowhere.

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No, bueno like you should not be
part of that.

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Absolutely not.
Well, they do.

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They they're like, what is this?
Let's go and continue on this

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isolated road, right.
They're not on the highway

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anymore.
Let's go on this isolated Rd.

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They're trying to follow this
thing.

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You're trying to file it and
it's coming closer to them.

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OK?
God, I would be like, what is

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wrong?
Yeah.

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No.
OK, Yeah.

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What's wrong with them?
Oh, well, I think, I think they

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were trying to get their jollies
by no seeing this.

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So if they see as they're
getting closer to this aircraft,

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it's getting closer to them and
it's starting to descend in the

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air, Okay, it's descending
towards their, their car.

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There's nothing else around.
They're on this like, you know,

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dirt road and it's silent.
You can't hear anything.

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There's no motor, there's no,
there's like there's no fan,

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nothing like no propellers.
They can't hear an engine.

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It's completely silent and
completely pitch black.

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Oh, my God.
Yeah.

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And so it's hovering about 80 to
100 feet above their car.

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OK, It's a 1957 Chevy Bel Air.
I know you weren't wondering.

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Yeah.
Because I'm such a gear head,

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yeah.
So it like they're looking at

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this and if they can't see
anything but this aircraft,

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right, so.
Barney.

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Meaning it's that big.
It's so huge, there's nothing

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else they can see.
And like in the horizon, yeah,

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it's like right in front of
their car.

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And Barney says later he's like,
it kind of looks like a it looks

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like a pancake.
So once again, like that flying

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saucer look.
So he has a gun in his pocket.

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Barney.
Barney, what are you gonna do?

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Yeah, right.
You just start.

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Silent hovering monstrosity.
You're gonna shoot it with your

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pistol?
What the fuck, Barney?

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Barney.
No, no, that's an act of

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aggression.
Yes, exactly.

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They're gonna do something to
you.

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So he's like, he gets closer to
it and of course, you know that,

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like macho, like, think I'm
going to take care of this, but.

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Especially just got married with
his wife.

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So he's like, let me show you
I'm a real man.

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I'm going to for sure show you I
can take care of my lady.

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You know, like Betty.
Just just you stay like a little

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lady in the car.
We're progressive.

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We're progressive.
But I'll take care of this.

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I'll be your Prince Charming,
Barney.

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So Barney goes towards the
fucking thing.

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Which the amount of balls it
takes.

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I mean, no way.
No way.

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Yeah, no way.
Yeah.

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So he's going towards that grat,
like has his pistol and he sees

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in the craft that there are
multiple humanoid figures in

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there and he's like, well, OK,
that's kind.

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That's kind of weird.
It's like one of the windows he

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looks and like there's humanoid
figures, like it looks like a

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human doesn't look like a BLOB
or whatever, and they're walking

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around, he said.
One of them starts looking

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straight at at Barney and just
stares at him and he has his,

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his gun or whatever, and it's
talking to him telepathically,

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OK?
It looks straight at him and

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it's like, stay where you are
and keep on looking like at us.

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Like he's hearing this in his
head.

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Yeah.
What the actual F?

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Can you imagine if you could
just like you see, like you

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could just hear that in your
head.

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Do you mind how weird that would
be?

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And there are so many like when
it comes to when it comes to

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this, what I found a lot of
times like with weird

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phenomenon, people will hear
ESP.

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Or like, they won't question
things as much when you're in

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the thick of a situation like,
Oh yeah, they just communicated

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with me.
Like they innately somehow know

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that that's what's happening
instead of being like, well,

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wait, how the fuck are you
talking to me like?

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Right, because it probably seems
just so.

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I don't know, real is probably
the wrong word, but natural or?

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Yeah.
Like intentional.

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Like, I'm not going to question
it because yeah, it's just like

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you're so in tune with it or
something, right?

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Yeah, I think, I I think that
that's part of it.

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I also think that it's like that
the idea of like a phenomenon

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that's so like your head.
You can't really wrap your head

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around this shit.
No, you've never seen anything

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like this in your.
Entire life?

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No.
And it's like, well, whatever's

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going to happen is going to
happen.

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But it does.
It does make me think like why

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did he not question?
Like what is the intention

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behind this being that's telling
me this and why am I listening

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to it?
OK, I'll tell you why.

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Tell me.
Those bitches went and followed

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that thing, not even knowing
what it was.

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So he's like, I'm into this,
clearly.

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Like, you didn't tell me to
stand here.

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Look at you.
Fine.

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Yeah, you're right.
He was looking for it.

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He was looking for it, but like,
I would just be like terrified.

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I probably peeing my pants.
Like there's I would be so

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scared.
Like just keep on looking and

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stay where you are.
Maybe I'd faint.

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I don't know.
I I I just, I think that I

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wouldn't.
I think this.

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Probably just hit like I would
be like, just shot in shock.

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You're right.
You're like, paralyzed with like

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what?
I do.

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What is happening?
Yeah, paralyzed in that shock.

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That's a good way of putting it.
Yeah.

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You can't really be fearful of
it because you don't really know

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what the fuck it is that you're
looking at.

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And remember, this is 1961.
We don't have all these stories

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that have happened, like around
like Skinwalker Ranch and stuff

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like that.
We don't have like a history of

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these stories that are widely
told.

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Right.
So exactly a lot of these things

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that I'm talking about today,
you this is the first time

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they've been said like people
like, oh I've, I was abducted.

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Oh, they telepathically
communicated with me like they

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didn't say bleep blop blop.
You know, like exactly.

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You know, there were like a lot
of this.

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It set the stage for future
abductions.

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Yeah, so they're they look at
it.

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He sees as he's looking at these
people like, OK, just keep on

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looking.
He sees that they're wearing

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like these glossy black
uniforms, red or black caps on.

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And then there are red lights on
what he says, like our like bat

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wing fins.
I don't know.

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And.
And there's that started to like

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come out.
Oh yeah, of the actual craft.

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So like these there are lights
that like kind of retract count.

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And you know, he said that.
Oh, and okay.

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So here's another thing this had
happened to them.

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And he actually did.
This whole story you can find on

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the National Investigations
Committee on aerial phenomenon.

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Which is NICAP.
So when he was telling the

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stories, like, I don't know
exactly what they were, but they

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weren't human.
Whatever they were, they looked

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human.
Yeah, head, maybe shoulders.

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But yeah, maybe oddly shapes or
something of that, Something

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like that.
And like, this is where their

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story kind of gets a little
fuzzy.

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OKOK, so it's almost like they
remember, like a fuzzy image of

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what they saw it like it was
almost as if it were more of a

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dream rather than reality, where
they could sit there and like

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recall every single thing.
So that had happened.

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That's all they remember.
They are arriving, they're

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coming back home.
They're arriving home at dawn.

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OK.
Wait.

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So suddenly?
Wait, Hold us back up?

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Yeah, so we we have them.
Him getting this, this

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transmission of voices, Yes,
he's staring at them.

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Staring at them things you see
some kind of like.

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Humanoid shape, yeah.
Things just now starting to get

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a little fuzzy and the next
thing he knows he is a driving

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home at at dawn.
Yep.

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Yeah.
Or dusk.

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No.
Done.

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Done at done.
Yeah.

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So this so this was like 10:30.
So now it's suddenly like, what,

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at 6:00 in the morning?
Something?

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Yes.
Yeah, he's about 6, just driving

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7.
He's just driving and arriving

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home.
Yep, like nothing happened.

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Oh my God.
OK, OK, right.

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Wow, so that's the thing.
They're arriving home and they

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both are like, huh, We have like
some.

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They both like, feel like some
weird sensations and things that

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they can't really explain.
For instance, Betty, they had

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luggage because they were just
on their.

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Honeymoon.
Honeymoon.

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Yeah, so Betty insisted that
they keep their luggage near the

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back door rather than like in
the main part of the house.

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So they didn't.
She did not want them to be put

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in the main part of the house,
which was kind of weird.

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Wait, wait, wait.
So you said when they got home,

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Yeah, they're like unpacking.
Uh.

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Huh.
And she wants her luggage to

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stay at the front door.
Yeah, at the like at like at the

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back door of the house rather
than inside, like the living

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room.
She didn't want the the luggage,

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which she didn't was strange.
Inside the house, like in the

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main part of the house, Yeah,
the house.

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Or in there, you know when you
to the.

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Same Barney.
Just leave it.

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Leave it.
Yeah, leave it here.

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It's like okay.
That's kind of weird.

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Like normally we would unpack it
or whatever, but that was a

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little strange off okay?
That's off their watches that

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they both are wearing watches
because nobody had cell phones

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in the 1960s, right?
So everyone were wristwatch,

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which, you know, a lot of those
watches you would, you know,

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wind up or whatever, And maybe
they'd have like a battery.

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They'd have a battery in them
stopped working.

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Both of their watches stopped
working.

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They were dead.
Completely dead.

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What did they say?
The same time?

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Another thing.
They look at the binoculars that

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they remember.
Betty was staring at that.

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Yeah, yeah.
The leather strap on the

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binoculars was torn.
Like it?

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It broken half, broken half.
And he's like, I can't even

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remember it tearing at all.
Like, I don't recall because

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Betty had, it had the
binoculars.

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It was intact that point.
They don't remember it tearing.

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So, OK, this list of like, weird
shit is growing.

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He was wearing his best dress
shoes once again.

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You know, back in the day you
typically would have, like, we

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all have a nice pair of shoes,
but like, then like having a

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really nice pair of dress shoes,
you'd take good care of them.

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Well made.
They are expensive.

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His best dress shoes were
scraped.

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Now this is important because he
was impeccable about his dress

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shoes.
These dress shoes were not

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scraped, he remembers.
They had just gotten back from

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the honeymoon, right?
Sure, they had just gotten

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married.
These things were shined up into

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the 9:00.
Driving home, why would they be

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scraped?
Yeah, why were they, why would

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they be scraped?
Like, you know, it's not like he

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was doing anything physical like
they were.

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They were just driving back
home.

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Another thing that Barney said
was happening to him, he got

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home and he was like, he had
this, like, impulse that he

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needed to go to the bathroom and
he needed to look at his private

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parts at his genitals.
And he did not know why, but he

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had to inspect them and, like,
make sure everything was OK and

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he didn't find anything unusual.
And like, that's a very strange

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thing if you have to go to the
bathroom.

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Like why would you be like I
need to?

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Make sure nothing's wrong.
Like, what would make you think

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that?
Exactly.

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Exactly.
He's like, this is another

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impulse that I don't understand
why, but it's like this really

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strong, you know, impulse or I I
need to look and make sure

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everything's OK.
They both took really long

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showers when they got home to
remove any contamination that

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they had from seeing that
aircraft.

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00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:49,910
And then another thing that they
did as soon as they got home was

459
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:52,910
they drew pictures after the
showers.

460
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:55,630
They both took really long
showers, you know, washed up.

461
00:25:56,350 --> 00:26:01,310
They drew what they had seen,
images of what they had seen,

462
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:07,310
what they remember seeing.
So they're back.

463
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:09,590
They took a shower, they're
driving, and they know something

464
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:13,150
weird had happened.
And they're So what?

465
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:15,110
What do you do if something
strange happens?

466
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:18,120
You're like, like, you and I
have had some weird encounters,

467
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,240
whether it's, like with people
or, like situations.

468
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,400
And you're like, did this really
happen?

469
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,560
Or like, am I remembering this
correctly?

470
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,440
Am I crazy?
Exactly.

471
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Yeah.
So they're having that

472
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,360
conversation.
What happened?

473
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
They're trying to recall, OK,
we're we were driving home.

474
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,200
We had our, you know, our
honeymoon.

475
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,520
We're driving home.
We're in the middle of nowhere.

476
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,600
We see this air, this craft.
Then what happened?

477
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,760
She doesn't remember.
They can't remember anything,

478
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,920
anything after they saw that
UFO.

479
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,360
And like between then and when
they were, they both remember

480
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,640
the same thing when that they're
arriving home, but they can't

481
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,160
remember what happened to those.
Kind of come to consciousness at

482
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,480
the same point, seemingly.
Seemingly, but they're trying to

483
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,560
like retrace all their steps.
Did they?

484
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,280
Do we know what they drew?
We do.

485
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
They're so they're drawing those
pictures and we have it.

486
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,120
Have them in the show notes all
the pictures that they have,

487
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,030
Betty, after this incident, you
know, because both of them

488
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:35,150
thought they were going crazy.
So they're trying to recall

489
00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:36,790
everything.
They knew something weird had

490
00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:39,230
happened.
So they start like trying to

491
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:42,390
draw things, trying to like, you
know, write down like, OK, this

492
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:43,870
is what this is what I remember
happening.

493
00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:46,510
They both separately did so,
like, wrote their own thing.

494
00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:48,510
Then they got together and like,
OK, this is what I remember.

495
00:27:48,510 --> 00:27:50,550
What do you remember?
And like, so they're trying to,

496
00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:54,190
like, match up stories and like,
the stories are matching up up

497
00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:57,350
until the point where they kind
of, like, lose consciousness.

498
00:27:57,350 --> 00:28:00,030
Things get a little bit fuzzy.
Like, we can't really recall

499
00:28:00,030 --> 00:28:04,870
exactly what happened, but what
they do remember, like when they

500
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:09,270
see the UFO as as they're on the
way home, they remember like

501
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:12,390
around the time of seeing the
UFO itself and like getting

502
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:14,350
closer.
They remember buzzing sounds in

503
00:28:14,350 --> 00:28:20,270
their heads.
They recall like a in their head

504
00:28:21,670 --> 00:28:23,470
and then that's when everything
goes blank.

505
00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:26,710
So they both recall the sound
too interesting.

506
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:29,870
But once that buzzing sound
happened, their memories are,

507
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:35,730
like, fragmented, piecemeal.
So both of them are exhausted.

508
00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:38,250
You would think they'd be like,
what the fuck happened?

509
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:40,090
Like, let's have a conversation,
Let's talk about it.

510
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:43,450
Right now they're exhausted.
They need to go to sleep.

511
00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:48,450
So they sleep for a few hours.
And Betty wakes up and placed

512
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:51,610
the clothes that she was
actually wearing during the

513
00:28:51,610 --> 00:28:56,090
drive into her closet.
And then she had recalled that

514
00:28:56,090 --> 00:29:00,600
the dress that she was wearing
was torn at the hem into the

515
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,920
zipper and the and the lining
was also torn.

516
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,600
OK.
So when she's taking it off,

517
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,160
this is what she's realizing?
You mean, OK, this same dress

518
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,680
she like, goes back to to grab
them because she's like, oh,

519
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,400
maybe I was recalling that
incorrectly.

520
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,200
And she like, looks and it's
like, no, that's definitely

521
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,560
fucking torn.
She sees, like, this pinkish

522
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,160
powder that's on the dress that
she didn't see before.

523
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,770
And so she just, like, took the
dress, hung it outside on her

524
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:34,210
clothesline, and the powder,
like, eventually blew away.

525
00:29:35,650 --> 00:29:38,410
The dress was damaged.
It was incredibly damaged.

526
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:40,650
She actually looks at it and
she's like, well, I'm never

527
00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:41,730
going to be able to wear this
again.

528
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:42,730
So I'm just going to throw it
away.

529
00:29:42,730 --> 00:29:44,210
And she's like, wait a second,
no, I shouldn't.

530
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:46,130
Something's telling me I should
not throw this away.

531
00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:48,570
There's something up with this
fucking dress.

532
00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:52,930
But like the that initial
impulse that she had, like, I'm

533
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:55,010
never going to be able to wear
this again.

534
00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:57,930
I just need to throw away this
piece of shit dress like I loved

535
00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:59,830
this dress.
But I'm never gonna be able to

536
00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:01,430
wear it again because it's so
damaged.

537
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,270
They seem like they're just
like, out of it.

538
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:03,630
She's like, I might as well
throw it away instead of

539
00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:07,670
thinking, oh maybe this is like
tied to the, yeah, UFO shit that

540
00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:12,670
we went through.
Like super out of it.

541
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:16,470
Yeah, like kind of just like
going through the motions.

542
00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:22,030
So Betty, that dress which?
Clearly they were, by the way,

543
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:25,790
because when they were driving
home and we suddenly they wake

544
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,630
up and they're arriving at home,
so clearly.

545
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,480
They were driving at some point
when they weren't even, for lack

546
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,480
of a better word, conscious.
Exactly.

547
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960
That's exactly.
I mean it's it's almost like,

548
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840
you know, when you're driving
like from a place that you

549
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,400
typically drive from.
Just on autopilot, yes.

550
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Yeah, it seems like they were on
autopilot, like, for a while.

551
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Wow.
So she throws away the dress.

552
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,800
She's like, no, I have to grab
it.

553
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:02,720
So she gets it out of the trash
and holds on to it and she hangs

554
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,720
back up up in her closet.
And actually I have an image of

555
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880
the dress.
So here's the dress itself that

556
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,960
she was wearing.
Wait, what?

557
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,040
Is that the front of the dress?
That's the front of the dress.

558
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Is that a hole?
Yeah, it's a total hole.

559
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Is that the lining?
Yeah, you can see through the

560
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
lining, which does this dress.
Now, of course, a talent.

561
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,200
A lot of the vintage dresses,
all kind of a lot of vintage

562
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,640
dresses have lining on the
inside of them.

563
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,200
So it's like the top layer has a
big hole.

564
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,240
A huge hole.
I don't know, 6 inches, maybe 7

565
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,360
inches?
And in the center of the chest,

566
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:54,480
underneath is perfectly intact,
like silk lining and what?

567
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:58,900
I mean, it's like a blast hole.
It looks like it's like a blast,

568
00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:59,860
but.
It didn't go all the way

569
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,980
through, no, it only like.
The top layer, yeah.

570
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:08,220
And if you look like towards
like below the arm of the dress,

571
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:10,060
it looks like there's like a
little.

572
00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:14,230
Kind of jagged, yeah.
It's like a jagged edge, which

573
00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:16,910
you know, could be the edge that
they were talking about in the

574
00:32:16,910 --> 00:32:19,550
back, the like the back, like
near the zipper.

575
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:21,910
I wonder if that's where that
is.

576
00:32:21,910 --> 00:32:24,710
But this is the best picture.
It's actually, and we have it in

577
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:27,990
our show notes, but the best
picture of Betty's dress now,

578
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:31,870
back in the day in the 1960s,
nineteen 50s, people would have

579
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:35,710
entire outfits planned after
their wedding.

580
00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:38,750
So they'd have a wedding like,
you'd have your wedding dress

581
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:42,920
and then you'd have you're going
like on your honeymoon

582
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,160
afterwards dress and you would
have like all these, like,

583
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,960
special occasion outfits, right.
So that was probably, I know, I

584
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,560
don't know for sure, but I would
imagine that was one of her

585
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,040
nicer dresses that she was
wearing, right.

586
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,080
And like what?
You're gonna just tear tear an

587
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,720
entire hole in the center of the
chest, which is just that first

588
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,280
like layer of printed fabric.
It may mean zero makes.

589
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Zeros.
Especially if.

590
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,760
I mean, if it was all the way
through, you'd go, OK, whatever,

591
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,200
but that bottom layer looked
completely intact.

592
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,560
It was just the strangest
looking thing.

593
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,000
So weird.
Weird.

594
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440
And thank God she kept it, kept
that dress.

595
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,080
Absolutely, yeah.
She almost threw it away.

596
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,720
Just not thinking cuz she was
like in, I don't know, zombie

597
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,960
mode.
Dresses room and throw away.

598
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,320
Yeah yeah go do next thing eat
something.

599
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,080
So it felt like so like
throughout the years multiple

600
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,640
laboratories actually, you know,
took samples and stuff from the

601
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:51,780
from the dress and did forensic
analysis is on them, which we'll

602
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:54,500
talk about later.
But another thing that they

603
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,820
found was that they were there
were shiny circles on the car's

604
00:33:58,820 --> 00:34:05,140
trunk, like circles that were
like connecting on the car's

605
00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:10,900
trunk okay that were not there
the previous day, right, because

606
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,219
why would they be there?
There's like no reason for them

607
00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:16,870
to have been there.
So they saw these like circles

608
00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:20,710
and you know, Betty and Barney
knew that something was up.

609
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:25,830
They knew they saw like a an
alien or a UFO.

610
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:29,989
They still recall that much.
So they grabbed a compass and

611
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:33,469
they're trying to go through a
scientific method to to really

612
00:34:33,469 --> 00:34:39,250
describe like what did we see?
How can we like you know be as

613
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:43,409
precise and scientifically like
minded when when trying to

614
00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:51,650
almost debunk ourselves.
So they grabbed this compass and

615
00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:54,850
they're like, OK, anytime we
move the compass close to those

616
00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:59,210
like, circle spots on the trunk,
it starts moving erratically and

617
00:34:59,210 --> 00:35:01,810
it's like whirling around like
going insane, like which a

618
00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:03,290
compass should not be doing
that, right?

619
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:09,330
But when they moved some inches
away from the shiny spots, like

620
00:35:09,330 --> 00:35:11,810
move the compass away, it would
drop down.

621
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:14,010
It wouldn't, wouldn't continue
to like move, it would just

622
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:18,930
like, drop.
Like I said, they decide to say

623
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:21,570
OK, fuck, like we've written all
this stuff down.

624
00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:24,610
We've done our drawings, We need
to tell someone something

625
00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:28,010
happened.
We have been missing time.

626
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:31,410
We don't even recall what the
fuck happened for like, a total

627
00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:35,110
like what?
7-8 hours, Something like that.

628
00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:38,150
Yeah, at least seven or eight
hours.

629
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:41,390
What do we do?
This could be a threat to like,

630
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:45,430
you know, human beings, because
clearly something happened.

631
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:48,950
And clearly it wasn't great
because I have, like, skiff

632
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:52,230
marks on my shoes.
Betty's dress is torn it.

633
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:55,310
Was clearly wasn't pleasant Yeah
it was not a pleasant like we

634
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:59,110
can't we can't remember but it's
yeah all everything's.

635
00:35:59,150 --> 00:36:03,250
Clearly something aggressive and
yeah, yes, yeah, so they

636
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:09,490
actually report to the US Air
Force and the NIACP and Barney

637
00:36:09,490 --> 00:36:14,210
said that he okay.
So this was October 21st, 1961.

638
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:16,690
So they there's like a month
later, right.

639
00:36:16,810 --> 00:36:23,810
They were coming back on the
18th of September and 18th, 19th

640
00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:28,700
and then the Air Force comes and
is like okay, let's have let's

641
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:31,020
have an interview, Let's like do
like a six hour interview.

642
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:33,460
We're going to get as many
details as we possibly can.

643
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:40,260
They're doing this like
interview and they are relating

644
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,140
everything that they can kind of
remember.

645
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:47,260
But as time passes that their
memories become more foggy and

646
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:52,560
Barney saying like, I have a
mental block and he's like, I

647
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,600
feel like it's to the point
where I like something bad

648
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,120
happened.
Like we're talking about I must

649
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,720
have a mental block because it
was so extreme, so traumatic

650
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,200
that I I'm not remembering it
because I don't want to remember

651
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,200
it.
So they're describing in detail

652
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,600
about the aircraft.
He's describing those, you know,

653
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
exactly what we had just talked
about.

654
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,100
And the guy and he's like, you
know, I've seen these things,

655
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,780
like, I don't know, they look
humanoid, but they're not human.

656
00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:22,180
I can tell you that much.
I can't tell you anything more.

657
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:27,140
But the guy who's interviewing
hit them, Walter and Webb, who

658
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:33,900
was the Boston astronomer and an
IACP member, he's like, yeah,

659
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:35,540
they're definitely telling the
truth.

660
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:39,080
And the incident probably
occurred exactly.

661
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,520
I'm quoting him exactly.
The incident probably occurred

662
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,040
as reported, except for some
minor uncertainties and

663
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,480
technicalities that must be
tolerated in any such

664
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,280
observations where human
judgment is involved, like the

665
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,000
exact time and length of the
visibility, the apparent sizes

666
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,720
of object and occupants in the
distance and height of the

667
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480
object, etc.
They're like, these people are

668
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,200
not bullshitting me.
They're they clearly saw

669
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,530
something.
Of course, it seems like things

670
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:09,010
are off a little bit, but that's
because it was a traumatic

671
00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:11,250
situation.
Yeah, Not gonna remember every

672
00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:13,850
single exact detail of
everything.

673
00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:16,130
Yeah, and things might get
jumbled, you know?

674
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:17,850
Yeah, blah blah.
It's like natural.

675
00:38:17,850 --> 00:38:19,250
But these people are not
bullshitting.

676
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:23,290
Yeah, so they do that.
Sometime goes by, Betty starts

677
00:38:23,290 --> 00:38:25,250
having dreams.
Oh, shit.

678
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,080
And this is like, you know, 10
days after the actual, like,

679
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,000
encounter that they had, she
starts having these really vivid

680
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,800
dreams.
And it they're happening night

681
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,920
after night after night after
night for five nights.

682
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,120
So she said when she experienced
them, like, the detail was so

683
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,760
extremely, like, accurate that
she's never had a dream so

684
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,720
intense before.
There's never been anything

685
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,020
like, so vivid, so clear as
these dreams.

686
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:00,500
But after that fifth night, they
just totally stopped.

687
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:03,940
And when she was, like,
mentioning it to her husband,

688
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:09,460
Barney, he's like, oh, you know,
it sounds pretty scary, you

689
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:12,580
know, But he was trying to be
sympathetic, but he didn't

690
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:15,420
really care that much or didn't
seem like he cared that much.

691
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:17,700
So she's like, OK, I guess it's
just really not that big of a

692
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:20,380
deal.
So she stopped mentioning these

693
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:25,400
dreams to Barney in November,
though, after they had this

694
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,000
interview with that dude with
the astronomer.

695
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Betty starts writing down the
details of her dreams.

696
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,880
And in one of the dreams, she
and Barney are at a roadblock.

697
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560
And men.
There are men that surround her

698
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,120
car, and she loses consciousness
and then is like, struggling to

699
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,280
like wake back up and like, you
know, regain her consciousness.

700
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:52,130
And then she realized that she
was being forced by two small

701
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:56,890
men to walk into a forest at
night and saw that Barney was

702
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:59,490
walking behind her.
And when she called to him, it

703
00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:01,330
seemed like he was like in a
trance or something.

704
00:40:01,330 --> 00:40:04,130
It's like he didn't even hear
her, like he was like

705
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:08,130
sleepwalking.
And the men stood about 5 or 4

706
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:13,980
feet tall.
They wore matching blue uniforms

707
00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:17,700
with caps similar to those like
the a cadet, like a military

708
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,980
cadet would wear.
And they appeared to be nearly

709
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:27,580
human, with black hair, dark
eyes, really prominent noses and

710
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:30,580
bluish lips and that their skin
was like grayish okay.

711
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:34,660
So they were taken to the car
and the leader said that they

712
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:37,180
need to watch the crafts
departures, they need to watch

713
00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:39,590
that it leaves.
So this is like, it's almost

714
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:42,910
like, OK, maybe I'm she's
starting to piece together what

715
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:47,470
had actually happened, OK during
that time, Like she's almost

716
00:40:47,470 --> 00:40:48,950
like her memories are coming in
through.

717
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:51,070
Her They needed to do some
hypnosis.

718
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:54,710
That's because it sounds like it
was like deep in her

719
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:56,910
subconscious and mere dreams
were pulling it out.

720
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:59,950
Maybe I think you're right.
I think you're on to something.

721
00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:01,630
We might be talking about it.
OK.

722
00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:06,630
So they've had so many different
interviews, right?

723
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,720
One of the huge questions
they're constantly asked were,

724
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,360
what's up with this missing
time?

725
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,400
They're trying, like these
interviewers are trying to get a

726
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,040
timeline together.
Yeah.

727
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,800
And it's like, yeah, they have
the timeline up until like 7 or

728
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,920
8 hours.
Yeah.

729
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,520
And then everything comes back.
So they can't, they can't really

730
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,880
define a timeline.
Right.

731
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,360
Which is a huge problem.
Yeah.

732
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,860
Because ultimately, like they
arrived home way later than than

733
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:42,100
they anticipated, it should have
actually taken them four hours

734
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:47,660
to get home, and it had actually
been 7 hours since they're like

735
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:51,300
the time that they thought they
would be there 7 hours late.

736
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:59,530
And this has become an actual
phenomenon in the UFO world

737
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:03,010
called Missing Time.
You hear about it a lot.

738
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:04,970
Yeah.
And back then, they're just

739
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:07,170
trying to, these investigators
are trying to piece together

740
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:10,130
like these people are legit.
You know, where the heck did

741
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:11,970
this hat?
Like, did do they have, like

742
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:13,770
some brain issues, like what's
going on?

743
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:15,770
Sure.
But what we find later is that

744
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:18,930
this is just a piece of the
puzzle of these, of this

745
00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:23,610
phenomenon, this UFO phenomenon
where people miss time and they

746
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:25,370
were like one of the first
people to talk about it.

747
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:31,970
So as far as, like, this
happened to them and it really

748
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:35,090
changed their perspective on
life.

749
00:42:35,090 --> 00:42:40,370
Now you have these people who
are newlyweds stoked about the

750
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:44,730
world and like, excited to be
together and hopeful, and then

751
00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:47,290
this really traumatic thing
happened, and there's no

752
00:42:47,410 --> 00:42:48,890
answers.
They don't have any answers.

753
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:50,490
They feel like they were
violated.

754
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:53,180
You know, that their bodies were
violated.

755
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:58,580
They can't recall a lot of time.
It looks like they were violated

756
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:01,100
because, you know, their
clothing looks like they got

757
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,780
into a fucking fight.
Exactly.

758
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:04,940
But they can't remember
anything.

759
00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:07,500
So it's like there's a lot of
trauma that they're going

760
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,460
through.
Well, there I said before,

761
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:13,780
they're devout, like are really
active members in their

762
00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:17,220
Unitarian church.
So they start talking about it

763
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:19,780
in their church with other
parishioners.

764
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:23,970
They're like, we don't know.
Yeah, we went through something.

765
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:27,450
We don't know what happened, but
something happened.

766
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:31,890
And so they're they're talking
to to their, you know, different

767
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:35,690
people.
And one of the the members of

768
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:40,370
the church is Captain Ben H
Sweat of the US Air Force.

769
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:43,410
He was a guest speaker at their
church at that time.

770
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:45,090
When they're talking about this
stuff.

771
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:50,060
And he's like, hey, there's
hypnosis.

772
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:54,940
What you're saying?
So he goes up to them privately

773
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:58,620
was like, hey, so hypnosis
potentially, like you guys

774
00:43:58,620 --> 00:44:01,060
should look into it.
It seems like something's up.

775
00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:07,980
And and he really wanted to
figure out what the fuck was up

776
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:11,140
with the the missing time.
That was really what he was like

777
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:13,620
trying to get after Betty's
having these dreams.

778
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:16,020
She's not really talking about
them, but like, he's like,

779
00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:18,550
there's something up with this
missing time and let's see if we

780
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:21,670
can get into your, like, your
unconsciousness.

781
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:26,590
So he asked if he could
hypnotize them to recover them.

782
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:31,750
But you know, he's like, you
know, I am an amateur.

783
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:33,310
I probably shouldn't be doing
this.

784
00:44:33,550 --> 00:44:36,870
So he talks to another.
They talk to another dude,

785
00:44:37,870 --> 00:44:42,270
Simon.
So he starts putting his hip,

786
00:44:42,350 --> 00:44:46,070
hip, hypnosis or hypnotist,
whatever, you know what I'm

787
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:47,870
talking about.
So they start doing these

788
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:53,150
sessions and Barney has these
sessions and he starts, he

789
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:55,310
starts talking about like, what
do they do?

790
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:58,030
Like when you're, you know, look
at this okay, Let's try to

791
00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:00,230
remember some of the things that
they actually have.

792
00:45:00,230 --> 00:45:03,390
What was one of the things that
they had binoculars that strap.

793
00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:05,230
Right.
What happened to the straps

794
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:08,110
they're trying to, like, figure
out in his.

795
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:12,340
Yeah.
So he's like, what happened,

796
00:45:12,340 --> 00:45:16,340
Barney?
Barney's like, it broke when I

797
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:18,900
was running from the UFO back to
the car.

798
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:20,460
Oh.
My God.

799
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:25,540
And he he remembers like driving
away from the UFO, but then felt

800
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:30,620
like he was like compelled to
pull off the road and drive into

801
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:37,540
the woods OK And he says that he
have he eventually exceed 6 men

802
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:41,060
standing on a dirt road and the
cars was stalled.

803
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:43,050
I can't.
I can't move it.

804
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:45,210
This is like a total scary
story.

805
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:48,770
Totally.
So the car stalls and the three

806
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:54,970
men approached the car and they
told Barney through like, ESP.

807
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:57,330
Oh my God, don't be scared of
us.

808
00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:59,410
Oh my God.
Oh, I'm so sure.

809
00:45:59,930 --> 00:46:03,680
Yeah, OK.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

810
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,360
Oh, don't be scared of you,
dude.

811
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,400
I'm driving in the middle of the
fucking forest and all of a

812
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,200
sudden my car stops and you guys
are all just like, don't be

813
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,560
scared.
We mean no harm.

814
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,680
You're like, fuck yeah,
hilarious.

815
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:28,320
Are you kidding me?
OK so Barney is recalling this

816
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,600
one part of his abduction.
He it's very piecemeal.

817
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,200
What they're finding like
through these this hypnosis is

818
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,560
he's very piecemeal about his
information.

819
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,760
But one thing he remembers and
he can't stop talking about are

820
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,480
the eyes.
And I'll, I'll, I'm going to

821
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,920
quote him Okay.
So he says they told Okay.

822
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,720
So they told Barney not to fear
them when they're in the forest.

823
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
So of course he's anxious.
He's like mom.

824
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Fuck that.
But the leader, what Barney

825
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,680
perceives to be the leader told
told Barney, close your eyes.

826
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,840
And Barney, while he was
hypnotized, says.

827
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:15,760
I felt like the eyes had pushed
into my own eyes, which what a

828
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,120
weird.
Yeah, I mean that makes zero

829
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,600
sense.
Let's just say he's making it

830
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,040
up.
Who would think of that?

831
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,240
I felt like the eyes were being
pushed into my own eyes.

832
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,160
I don't know.
Very vivid.

833
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,640
Like that is a feeling that just
you and that is a that is, it's

834
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,160
a surreal, yeah, weird ass
thing.

835
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,200
My God, So OK, so he's saying
that and he can't.

836
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,850
He really like, as he's
recalling things, he's kind of

837
00:47:45,850 --> 00:47:49,130
saying, you know, they kept on
staring at me in the eyes.

838
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,730
Now this is something both him
and Betty kept on saying.

839
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:53,370
They kept on staring at me in
the eyes.

840
00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:59,450
And he said it was like this
mesmerizing, terrifying effect

841
00:47:59,450 --> 00:48:03,130
that they had, that like,
they're almost like, you know,

842
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:07,330
in this like, weird, dreamlike
state because of this, the

843
00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:11,530
staring into their eyes.
And Barney kept on talking about

844
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:14,490
these fucking eyes, saying,
like, oh, those eyes, they're

845
00:48:14,490 --> 00:48:17,210
there in my brain.
And that was from the first

846
00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:19,930
hypnosis session.
Then, he says, I was told to

847
00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:23,870
close my eyes, because I saw two
eyes coming into mine, coming

848
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:26,350
close to mine, and I felt like
the eyes had pushed into my

849
00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:28,870
eyes.
All I see are eyes.

850
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:32,110
I'm not even afraid that they're
not connected to a body.

851
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:36,750
They're just here.
They're up just up close to me,

852
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:40,310
pressing against my eyes.
Oh my God, like he can't get

853
00:48:40,310 --> 00:48:45,630
over these eyes.
And Betty, like, when she was

854
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:49,670
having these, this hypnosis, she
kept on remembering that, like

855
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:51,790
conversations that were
happening with the leader in

856
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:54,520
English.
And Barney says, you know, I

857
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,760
didn't hear English.
I just heard a mumbling language

858
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,520
that I can't understand.
So she also says, I do remember

859
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,200
hearing, you know, some language
that I didn't understand.

860
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,760
But I also heard him speaking in
English.

861
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,960
So the few times that they
actually did communicate with

862
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,320
Barney, he's like, it was like
it was a thought transference,

863
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,090
like ESP and he didn't really
know what the fuck telepathy

864
00:49:20,090 --> 00:49:21,370
was.
He didn't know that there was a

865
00:49:21,370 --> 00:49:23,850
term for telepathy.
Now these people, we were

866
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:27,850
talking about it before like
these folks are salt of the

867
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:30,050
earth folks.
Like they don't.

868
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:33,850
It's not like they're in theater
or they're artists or like, you

869
00:49:33,850 --> 00:49:36,370
know, they have like these at
like they're writers that have

870
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:38,810
like these active imaginations.
I'm sure they did have active

871
00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:43,490
imaginations, but they were more
like down to earth people.

872
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:47,230
Yeah, like coming up with this
didn't really seem like it was

873
00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:48,910
something in their vocabulary,
right?

874
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:51,670
You know, right?
I mean, you even know what

875
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:54,990
telepathy meant.
He couldn't put it a word into.

876
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:57,670
He's like they're communicating
like through thought

877
00:49:57,670 --> 00:50:01,540
transference instead of like,
oh, ESP, telepathy like you and

878
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:04,300
I know these these words.
He didn't know these fucking

879
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:05,820
words.
He just knew what he was

880
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:09,060
experiencing.
Betty, her session.

881
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:12,980
It was very similar to her
dreams about her five dreams

882
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:15,580
about the UFO, like abductions
that she had written down.

883
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:21,260
There were some differences and
mainly it was like pertaining to

884
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,500
the weight there, the capture
and then their release, like how

885
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:29,820
they left the the UFO's.
And she recalls through hypnosis

886
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:33,860
that the technology was
different and the short men you

887
00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:39,420
know were slightly different in
physical appearance and and then

888
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:42,300
the sequences of how the
abduction occurred.

889
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:44,660
It was all broken up.
It was different from her

890
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:45,860
dreams.
OK.

891
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:48,380
So let me just say, yes, let's
say they made this up.

892
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:52,740
Sure.
And I said to you, I said, hey,

893
00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:56,220
Alicia, we're going to make up
this story.

894
00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:03,550
And so we need to get our shit
together, Yeah.

895
00:51:03,550 --> 00:51:05,710
And so here's how we were
abducted.

896
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:09,790
Here's where we went, here's
what they look like.

897
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:15,310
We would have that together,
yeah, down pat.

898
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:17,350
Down pat.
So when they asked us, our

899
00:51:17,350 --> 00:51:19,670
stories would fucking match,
yeah?

900
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,080
Theirs don't.
They don't necessarily.

901
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,440
So that tells me that this
wasn't.

902
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,000
They weren't.
I'm sorry.

903
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,520
Nobody's that smart.
You know nobody.

904
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Can go.
Hey, we're gonna come up a

905
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,400
story, but we're gonna make it
different so that this is

906
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,040
plausible.
I mean, no.

907
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Yeah.
No, no, you can't.

908
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,640
You can't look at it that way.
Like.

909
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,650
I think that when you look at it
that way that like, OK, because

910
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:44,210
because why would we even do
that?

911
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:47,090
Why would you even do that?
Maybe you wanted attention.

912
00:51:47,090 --> 00:51:50,570
Maybe you wanted whatever, like,
you know, they weren't searching

913
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:54,410
for neuriety.
They were in fact that's the

914
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:56,570
exact.
I mean, I guess neurie does

915
00:51:56,570 --> 00:52:01,170
happen to you if you're if you
say that you're an alien, like

916
00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:04,410
you had an alien abduction.
But once again this was in the

917
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:07,810
early stages of alien abduction.
We heard a lot of them in like

918
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,080
the 80s, the 70s, the 90s, not
in the early 60s.

919
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,040
There wasn't like a slew of
people who have been proven to

920
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,480
be like total kooks, right?
Yeah, These people are normal

921
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,680
people.
They have things they care

922
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,920
about.
Civil rights movement, you know,

923
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,240
doing that.
Yeah, saying it like.

924
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,400
Exactly.
They have, Yeah, exactly.

925
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,960
You you you have a background or
you have a.

926
00:52:31,780 --> 00:52:35,980
Your your your personality
doesn't lend itself to any of

927
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:37,420
shenanigans.
No.

928
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:41,100
Your your history has never
proven that this would lead to

929
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:41,820
this.
No.

930
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:43,660
That's why it seems so
plausible.

931
00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:47,460
I think so too.
I I think now there there are

932
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:50,180
some like issues like one if
they had the same Exp.

933
00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:52,900
Well, why are they recalling
specific like different things

934
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:54,100
but don't?
Like why?

935
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,500
Like, let's say we were in a
bank robbery.

936
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:59,540
Yes, like you might experience
look at things very differently

937
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:02,560
than I did.
And so when I described the bank

938
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
robber, I might go, Oh my God,
it was this big beefy, scary

939
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,520
looking guy.
And you might go, Oh my God, it

940
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,760
was just this little wimpy dude.
Yes.

941
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,880
You know, I mean, it's just like
different perspective.

942
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,400
Yeah.
So that's why I think it's very

943
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,600
plausible that they saw, just
saw things differently.

944
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,720
They saw things differently.
They experienced things

945
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:21,160
differently.
Maybe they recall different

946
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:23,370
details.
Like, yeah, you say I saw this

947
00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:25,010
big old beefy guy.
I'm like, I just remember the

948
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:27,010
mask that he was wearing.
That's exactly.

949
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:28,690
You're like, oh, I don't even
remember a mask.

950
00:53:28,690 --> 00:53:30,650
And like, yeah, how could you
not remember the mask?

951
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:33,370
It was so scary, you know?
But for me it was scary.

952
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:35,170
Right, precise.
And same thing with, like, you

953
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:39,530
know, Betty, so she, so she she
was saying, you know, they're

954
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:44,010
different, OK, basically what
Simon does, he he looks at their

955
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:46,370
entire, like both Betty and
Barney's stories.

956
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:51,340
And they're like, he's like, you
know, but he writes an article

957
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:54,340
for the Journal of this of
Psychiatric Opinion, and he says

958
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:56,700
that his conclusion was that the
case was a singular

959
00:53:56,700 --> 00:54:01,140
psychological aberration.
What does that mean?

960
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:05,300
He basically was saying that.
They hallucinated together.

961
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:09,260
Yeah.
Yeah.

962
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:11,460
Like why we couldn't?
Explain it.

963
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:14,100
He couldn't explain it.
He's like this is making no

964
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,900
sense.
I don't know.

965
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,800
I don't have enough answers.
And not really explaining

966
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,520
everything that happened and
those like that missing time.

967
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,440
This missing time is weird.
Anyways, what if they both,

968
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,640
just, I don't know, ate
something weird and like, had

969
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,800
some kind of hallucinogenic
effects and then this is what

970
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,440
had happened.
This was the experience they

971
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,520
both experienced, which I don't
know if you've ever done a

972
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,680
hallucinogen.
Not that I would ever know,

973
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,600
because I don't know that you
don't have the same experience

974
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,440
as other people, right?
Right.

975
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Like, the experience that you
have is very, very personal to

976
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,560
you.
Yeah, Versus another person, you

977
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,480
could be staring out at a, you
know, a sky and see something

978
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,080
completely different than
someone else does.

979
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,720
So if that were the case, how do
they have something that aligns

980
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,160
so specifically together?
Right, exactly.

981
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,760
It makes zero sense to me.
I would be asking those

982
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,120
questions.
So you know, this happened,

983
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,920
nothing happened to both of
them.

984
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,880
You know, they there was, you
know, they were, they were

985
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,000
willing to talk about their
experience, but they really went

986
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,880
back to their regular lives.
Occasionally UFO researcher

987
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
would talk to them or a family
member or friend would talk to

988
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,280
them, but really they stopped
trying to talk about it

989
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,200
publicly.
They're like nobody cares.

990
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,720
Nobody's taking us seriously.
It's not worth it.

991
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,320
Like let's just get back to our
normal lives.

992
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:43,930
So you know in October 25th
1965, there was a a front page

993
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:48,690
story about them that said like
you have to chiller did they

994
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:51,890
seize couple like you know
people were talking about an

995
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:57,290
audio tape Because I guess that
reporter, the the reporter who

996
00:55:57,290 --> 00:56:00,810
wrote this John H Luttrell of
the Traveler had actually been

997
00:56:00,810 --> 00:56:04,010
given an audio tape recording of
the lecture that the Hills made

998
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:08,610
in a in Quincy Center in late
1963 when they were still trying

999
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:10,680
to get, you know, their story
out.

1000
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,000
And Latrell learned that they
had actually gone through the

1001
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:21,040
hypnosis with Simon.
So he was obtaining, you know,

1002
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,480
confidential, like those notes
from these interviews that the

1003
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,560
Hill had, Hill had given or
Hills had given UFO

1004
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:34,200
investigators.
And this story is picked up by

1005
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,420
the United Press International.
So people are like, Oh my God,

1006
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:40,980
we've never heard this story
before.

1007
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,180
Of course, the Hills had been
telling it years before.

1008
00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:44,700
They just gave up on it.
Yeah.

1009
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:50,580
And the Hills.
OK, so John G Fuller, who was

1010
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:55,500
another writer, he worked with
the Hills and Simon, who was the

1011
00:56:56,100 --> 00:57:01,120
the hypnosis dude, and they
wrote a book called The

1012
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,920
Interrupted Journey, which you
can still buy today.

1013
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:09,280
And it was about that case and
it it actually included a Betty

1014
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,280
sketch of a star map that we
hear about now.

1015
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,920
Yeah.
Do you know when, when she

1016
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,080
create that star map?
Do you know under what

1017
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,920
circumstances?
I Let's see.

1018
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:29,930
I don't know exactly when she
drew it, but I mean, she was

1019
00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:34,690
writing notes and recalling all
of these things, you know, the

1020
00:57:34,690 --> 00:57:41,280
same year that she was abducted.
OK, so you think back.

1021
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,640
And that's when she was writing
all of this stuff down her

1022
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,960
dreams and this infamous star
map.

1023
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,600
Yeah, cuz not a lot of the
information from the hypnosis

1024
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,040
sessions was really released or
publicized.

1025
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,760
Because that dude Simon was
like, it was just like this

1026
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,080
fucking thing that happened to
them.

1027
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,480
And like, it wasn't real.
Like it was all in their heads

1028
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,000
or whatever.
Yeah.

1029
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,000
So I'm sure that some of that
was also discussed during that

1030
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,960
time, but it doesn't come out
until the public is actually

1031
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,640
interested in it.
And they're like, Oh my God,

1032
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,800
this actually happened.
And these people seem legit.

1033
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,280
They're like, yeah, we've been
saying it for.

1034
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,840
Four years later, exactly.
We've been saying it for four

1035
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,520
years and now you guys are
finally listening.

1036
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,000
And then Simon's like, oh, I
couldn't make some money off of

1037
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,800
this.
Sure, I'll show you everything.

1038
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,000
Like, even though he basically
was like, yeah, no, they didn't

1039
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,680
fucking, you know, it was just
some kind of thing.

1040
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,920
So.
So she has that star map.

1041
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,760
There was the Betty's star map
that was included in that book,

1042
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,600
and the book was a fucking
overnight success and it went

1043
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,400
through several printings.
You can still get copies today.

1044
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,320
You know, Barney actually had
passed away of a cerebral

1045
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,800
hemorrhage on February 25th,
1969.

1046
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,440
So he was.
He was 46.

1047
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:56,060
And then Betty became a
celebrity, Like, really in her

1048
00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:59,860
own regard in the UFO community
because Barney had passed away.

1049
00:59:02,060 --> 00:59:06,100
She actually died of cancer
October 17th, 2004.

1050
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:09,380
She had never remarried.
Barney was her, the love of her

1051
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:11,940
life, but going back to that
star map.

1052
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:21,400
OK, so that Interrupted journey
book was picked up by this woman

1053
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,360
who was an elementary school
teacher.

1054
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,560
Her name was Marjorie Fish and
she was also an amateur

1055
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,000
astronomer.
And she was like, what the hell

1056
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,560
is this star map like?
This is cool.

1057
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,440
I wonder if I could figure out
where the hell it is.

1058
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,560
So she's like, if I can decipher
this, I can find out where the

1059
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,880
hell this is.
I could potentially find out

1060
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:47,920
where this UFO came from.
So she like does all these

1061
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,240
things She you know puts the the
earth stars like all all this

1062
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,400
shit together and wanted to try
to find like stars that could

1063
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:02,880
potentially have life as we know
it and and looks at different

1064
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,000
star catalogs and stuff like
that and comes up with the map

1065
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,480
potentially being the double
star system of Zeta Reticuli

1066
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,950
that's 39.
Light years from Earth.

1067
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:25,470
OK, so she sent her analysis to
that dude Web who had written

1068
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:27,390
the book, and he agrees with
her.

1069
01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:31,710
And he was like, OK, I'm going
to send this to the editor of

1070
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:37,750
Astronomy, which was a magazine
back in the day, and Dick, whose

1071
01:00:37,870 --> 01:00:39,710
name was Dickinson, Terence
Dickinson.

1072
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:43,860
And he's like, I don't, I am a
scientist.

1073
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,140
I do not endorse this.
Like, you know, there's like,

1074
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:49,740
well, maybe it could be.
It's like, I don't know.

1075
01:00:50,340 --> 01:00:55,460
I'm not going to say it, but
astronomy did invite comments

1076
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:59,340
and, you know, debate on the UFO
report.

1077
01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:07,340
And they start publishing little
articles in December 1974 in an

1078
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:09,260
issue that becomes, you know,
popular.

1079
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:16,670
This is 1 Carl Sagan.
We all know him and Steven Soder

1080
01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:20,750
are arguing that the star map
was just a little bit more than

1081
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:22,910
random alignment of chance
points.

1082
01:01:22,910 --> 01:01:24,150
Like like this.
There's not.

1083
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:28,710
She just just so happens to
write some or to Draw Something

1084
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:32,230
out that actually does exist.
But like, that's just, it's just

1085
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:34,790
a coincidence and like, you
know.

1086
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:39,150
So they're saying that she just
made it up and just so happens

1087
01:01:39,150 --> 01:01:43,910
to match up with this?
Is Zeta ridiculous?

1088
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:45,590
Zeta ridiculous.
Yeah.

1089
01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:50,350
And he even and you know that
show Cosmos that he did so in

1090
01:01:50,350 --> 01:01:54,670
1980 he actually demonstrate
demonstrated that without lines

1091
01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:58,430
drawn in in the maps the hill
map bore no resemblance to the

1092
01:01:58,430 --> 01:02:01,390
real life you know map of the
Zeta Reticuli system.

1093
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:08,910
Other people were like, no, it
actually there's sixteen stars

1094
01:02:09,370 --> 01:02:15,170
of of that specific type of like
spectral type among thousands of

1095
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:18,050
stars nearest the sun.
That's at least 1000 against

1096
01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:19,890
one.
So like 1000 to one odds that

1097
01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:23,650
like you would get all sixteen
of these correct in the right

1098
01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:28,570
spot.
So ultimately in the early 90s,

1099
01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:33,090
you know, there was a mission
called the European Hip

1100
01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:39,800
Hippocrose, which was a
satellite that is looking at,

1101
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,920
you know, the fucking solar
system.

1102
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,880
So it measures distances to more
than 100,000 stars around the

1103
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,840
sun and is more the most
accurate that we've had up until

1104
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,960
that point.
And it showed some of the stars

1105
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,480
in fish's interpretation.
That woman's Marjorie Fish.

1106
01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:02,340
The interpretation of the map
were actually much farther away

1107
01:03:02,340 --> 01:03:05,100
than previously thought, but
other research revealed that

1108
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:08,340
some of the stars counted by
Fish as likely to host life

1109
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:11,180
would have been excluded through
her own criteria.

1110
01:03:11,180 --> 01:03:13,260
She was a she was a fucking
elementary school teacher.

1111
01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:20,500
Give her a break, but ultimately
Fish ends up rejecting that

1112
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:24,540
hypothesis that she had that
this was in Zeta Reticuli.

1113
01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:26,700
She's like, yeah, actually, I
think I was wrong about this.

1114
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:27,780
They didn't map it out
correctly.

1115
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:29,900
Really.
Yeah.

1116
01:03:30,020 --> 01:03:32,340
So she says that in a public
statement.

1117
01:03:34,620 --> 01:03:37,500
OK, I'm gonna put on my
conspiracy hat.

1118
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:40,820
Put it on.
I'm putting in my hand, yes,

1119
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,460
someone said.
Yo, you need to calm your tits,

1120
01:03:47,620 --> 01:03:54,700
yes, OK.
And you need to go retract

1121
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:56,340
everything that you just said,
yeah.

1122
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,600
Because we can't have any part
of that, we can't.

1123
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,480
We can't let people know yet.
Right.

1124
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,680
Disclosures not happening yet.
It's gonna happen, but people

1125
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,960
are not ready for.
It exactly I mean seems pretty

1126
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,880
plausible.
I mean, why not?

1127
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:14,640
Why?
We just talked about Mr. I mean

1128
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,040
why?
Why couldn't you like if this

1129
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,560
seems like OK Zeta?
Because where do we know Zeta

1130
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,960
reticuli from?
J Rod.

1131
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,180
Yes, J Rod.
In one of our past episodes,

1132
01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:34,180
that's where Mr. J Rod was from,
the Zeta Reticuli star system.

1133
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:39,340
So I mean some interesting
coincidence.

1134
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:42,060
Right.
How would she know about that?

1135
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:44,860
She couldn't have.
Oh, she she would not have known

1136
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:47,700
about that.
That wasn't until when was he

1137
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:53,060
picked up in like the mid 60s?
Yeah, this was after when she

1138
01:04:53,060 --> 01:04:57,880
had started, when the the star
map was already out, that this

1139
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,360
that conversation with J Rod had
even started because J Rod had

1140
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,200
not been.
But that's even none of that was

1141
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,560
like it wasn't known.
Known.

1142
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,280
Nope, It's an awfully like
interesting.

1143
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,240
Yeah, that.
Yeah.

1144
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,020
I don't know if I can call that
a coincidence, but it's.

1145
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:21,380
I mean people will rebut will
rebut like anything, right?

1146
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:24,100
We've talked about this before,
like, I can make anything fit

1147
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,780
anything if I want it to fit
something, yes, that's the other

1148
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:28,620
thing.
If you put it on the other hat,

1149
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:30,860
right?
Like I can make this fit there

1150
01:05:30,860 --> 01:05:34,700
if you put you know this and
that and blah blah blah yes.

1151
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:39,180
So I don't know, I just.
I just think it's too

1152
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:40,900
coincidental.
I think it's coincidental.

1153
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:45,410
I think that the fact that
Betty's story never changed.

1154
01:05:45,850 --> 01:05:51,810
Betty and Barney never were like
Psych, you know, they never said

1155
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:56,730
Psych that, you know, Betty was
a both them wanted to be taken

1156
01:05:56,730 --> 01:06:00,370
seriously at a time that that
was very important.

1157
01:06:00,370 --> 01:06:06,980
You know, they had to be, they
had to be good citizens because,

1158
01:06:06,980 --> 01:06:09,260
look, they were interracial
couple, yeah.

1159
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:11,020
So it's almost like they had to
be better.

1160
01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:13,820
It's like, why would I want,
even want this attention anyway?

1161
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:18,740
They already have the spotlight
on them.

1162
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:20,780
No, already hard for us.
So why am I gonna sit here and

1163
01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:23,980
talk about aliens and like, this
missing time, unless it was

1164
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:26,660
something so traumatic that
they're, like, trying to heal

1165
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:28,060
through it?
I don't know.

1166
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:31,740
I mean, I could see that being
is so extreme and, like, also

1167
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:39,970
feeling like a duty to other
humans, to humankind to be like,

1168
01:06:39,970 --> 01:06:41,290
there's something else out
there.

1169
01:06:41,290 --> 01:06:43,010
This is what happened to us.
We don't know exactly what

1170
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:46,170
happened, but it wasn't pretty.
And like, if you've had

1171
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:48,930
something like that happen, you
know, you're not alone, right?

1172
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:53,250
Just knowing that.
I mean, you know, people will

1173
01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:55,010
even say, like, there was an
Outer Limits episode.

1174
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:56,290
They're like, this is very
close.

1175
01:06:56,290 --> 01:06:58,890
Maybe they saw this.
OK, yeah, maybe they did.

1176
01:06:58,890 --> 01:07:01,890
But you know, it didn't seem
like they had, like nobody was

1177
01:07:01,890 --> 01:07:04,650
like, oh look, they have like
this massive store of like,

1178
01:07:05,070 --> 01:07:07,630
scifi books.
Like these people were really

1179
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:12,350
trying to make some real change
in the world in the civil rights

1180
01:07:12,350 --> 01:07:14,710
movement, so.
Yeah, I'm still not seeing

1181
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:17,670
anything to gain.
There's there was 0 to gain,

1182
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:20,030
there was 0 to gain.
Maybe they made some money off

1183
01:07:20,030 --> 01:07:22,430
of a book, but I don't even
think that, you know, it's not

1184
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:26,250
like, you know, Barney still,
you know, died when he was in

1185
01:07:26,250 --> 01:07:30,330
his 40s, right?
Like Betty had nothing to gain.

1186
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:33,610
She never remarried.
She, you know, told her stories

1187
01:07:33,610 --> 01:07:37,050
and maybe she made some money,
like in the UFO like community.

1188
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:39,860
But aside from that, her story
didn't change.

1189
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:42,300
Her story never changed.
She did not.

1190
01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:45,380
She never said I was only
kidding or like, you know, we

1191
01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:48,900
came up with this ruse.
This was like and all of these

1192
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:53,140
things that had happened, right?
Like missing time, you know,

1193
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:59,100
things being like broken or or
like torn or whatever, where you

1194
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,300
don't remember what the heck
happened, right?

1195
01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:06,220
Those circles on their car, the
fact that the car stopped

1196
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:11,500
totally OK before they
approached these you know these

1197
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:17,340
aliens or you know UFO's, the
UFO descended and was completely

1198
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:20,500
quiet like these.
All of these things are are

1199
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:24,979
things that they're like tropes
in the in the UFO community,

1200
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:26,899
right.
They were not tropes at that

1201
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:29,819
point exactly.
This was the first time that

1202
01:08:29,819 --> 01:08:32,740
these tropes were played.
Oops, excuse me, were played

1203
01:08:32,740 --> 01:08:35,580
out.
That's the the first time.

1204
01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:42,500
So, like, this is the first very
well documented abduction story.

1205
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:48,660
All of the documents, like these
drawings, Betty's dress, the

1206
01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:52,460
letters that that Betty had like
written about her experience,

1207
01:08:52,939 --> 01:08:55,140
They're her dreams.
Barney's dreams.

1208
01:08:55,140 --> 01:09:00,180
Like even like their NAACP like
certificates and stuff.

1209
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:03,740
The University of I think it's
the university.

1210
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:11,850
Let me just double check of New
Hampshire holds has an entire

1211
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:16,330
archive for the the Betty and
Barney Hill incident so or the

1212
01:09:16,330 --> 01:09:21,050
Zeta Reticuli incident.
They have an entire area so you

1213
01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:23,930
can have and it's LinkedIn the
show notes you can look at at

1214
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:26,450
the imagery.
They even made, like, a bust of

1215
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:29,529
it, like they were.
They drew the aliens, they drew

1216
01:09:29,529 --> 01:09:32,090
the spacecraft.
You can see all of that.

1217
01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:34,010
And she thought it was so
important.

1218
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:37,130
And her dress like she gave
everything.

1219
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,920
Yeah, to her alma mater saying
this is important stuff.

1220
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,600
You need to hold on to it for
posterity's sake.

1221
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,720
And maybe, you know, in 50
years, maybe, I hear disclosure

1222
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,200
supposed to happen soon.
Maybe we're we'll find out that,

1223
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,800
like, this fucking was real and
like, these are real aliens.

1224
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,960
What do you mean you hear
disclosure is coming soon?

1225
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,920
What do you mean?
Well, word on the street is

1226
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,580
like, right?
We have like a new if you're

1227
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:11,740
asking me honestly okay so we
have the US government is now

1228
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:18,860
taking UAP's or UFO's
unidentified aerial phenomena or

1229
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:22,020
it used to be unidentified
flying object.

1230
01:10:22,340 --> 01:10:24,220
Now they're called UAP's because
it's like different.

1231
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:28,340
It's the same shit.
Anyways we have, we're taking

1232
01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:34,960
those like calls seriously. the
US is now talking about footage

1233
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,120
that has been released by Air
Force like those Tic Tac videos

1234
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,120
which I think we should talk
about in the future there.

1235
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:50,000
The NASA just like, you know
this year had an overview or an

1236
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,160
oversight like committee.
They're like yeah we're trying

1237
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,480
to find biological signatures,
right.

1238
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,920
And like that's bonkers.
They would never like NASA and

1239
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,980
and the US would be like these
are Cokes.

1240
01:11:02,980 --> 01:11:05,900
We're just trying to like
eventually we would love that

1241
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:08,660
would be great, but we don't
think that there's anything any

1242
01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:11,300
other life but us.
You know they would never even

1243
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:13,740
admit that that was a thing.
Now they're saying, yeah,

1244
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:16,460
actually we have the committees.
So it's like I think that we're

1245
01:11:16,460 --> 01:11:23,180
slowly moving towards an area
where UAP's and like UFO's and

1246
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:27,100
disclosure disclosing like the
fact that we know that there is

1247
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:29,920
something out there, it's going
to happen, yeah.

1248
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:32,200
Alright, gonna just start,
gonna.

1249
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,480
They're going to start
communicating it more than they

1250
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:35,120
have.
Yeah.

1251
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,200
Yeah, yes.
I mean, they already have.

1252
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,040
It would just look at the last
like three years.

1253
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:39,840
Right.
That's right.

1254
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,360
It's changed dramatically.
And guess what?

1255
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,440
Nobody seems to care, right?
Nobody's like, Oh my God, NASA

1256
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,240
just had, like, this committee,
like, hearing about how they're

1257
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,400
looking for biometric signatures
in space.

1258
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,200
Like, that's insane.
That's insane.

1259
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,230
Like, these things are crazy,
right?

1260
01:11:59,270 --> 01:12:01,190
Anyway, I think that it's going
to happen.

1261
01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:04,830
And I think that, you know,
having thank God Betty kept that

1262
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:08,270
dress and that that she kept
such, yeah, you know, detailed

1263
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:08,830
notes.
Yeah.

1264
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:12,950
Because, you know, we might look
back in 50 years and be like, Oh

1265
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:16,350
my gosh, this was the Betty and
Barney Hill incident or Barney

1266
01:12:16,350 --> 01:12:20,590
and Betty Hill incident.
And and they were telling the

1267
01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:23,110
truth the whole time.
Everyone just were assholes and

1268
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:26,950
didn't believe him.
So So what did?

1269
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:34,210
Did she ever say that she went
to Zeda?

1270
01:12:34,210 --> 01:12:37,010
Or why did she draw that star
map?

1271
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:39,850
Cuz they showed her where they
were from and she saw like a map

1272
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:49,530
or something of it.
So in this event that she and

1273
01:12:49,530 --> 01:12:44,730
her husband were at.
So let me see.

1274
01:12:50,650 --> 01:12:54,320
You're saying that?
In some way, form or fashion,

1275
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:59,720
they showed her where they were
from and so as a result when she

1276
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,880
was documenting her dreams and
things like that, she was just

1277
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,120
drawing out the map that they
told her about I believe.

1278
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,240
So I'm looking at my notes right
now and I don't recall.

1279
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,720
I I think it was from one of the
interviews that they that she

1280
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:13,400
had.
She was like.

1281
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,400
But she didn't go there.
She didn't.

1282
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:16,960
I don't think that she went
there.

1283
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,720
She could have what?
I really wonder, because it's so

1284
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,520
hard to find all of the
information.

1285
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:29,240
I really wish I had more notes
on the actual interviews that

1286
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,400
they did.
I don't.

1287
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,800
I didn't.
I'm sure.

1288
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,120
I'm sure we get there.
Yeah.

1289
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,040
Yeah.
And I.

1290
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,680
So I think that would be
interesting.

1291
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,280
It would be cool to know whether
or not she went out there, but I

1292
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,040
don't recall the The Hills
talking much about that.

1293
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:46,690
I if if I'm going to be honest,
maybe the more extreme the

1294
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:50,090
conversation became, they kind
of stepped away from it because

1295
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:55,490
look, it's a a black and a black
man and a white woman who

1296
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:58,490
already are getting attention.
Like you were saying like do we

1297
01:13:58,490 --> 01:14:01,290
really need to be like, Oh yeah,
then they probed me and then

1298
01:14:01,290 --> 01:14:04,890
they did this and then this.
It's like, OK, let's just we're

1299
01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:08,370
already like, we have a base
level of like a lot of people

1300
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:12,290
are not going to tolerate this.
Yeah, but then on top of that,

1301
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:14,890
you know, they're dealing with
all this like crazy ass shit,

1302
01:14:15,690 --> 01:14:18,370
this crazy story.
So I would be interested to know

1303
01:14:18,370 --> 01:14:21,170
that I maybe, maybe I don't have
an answer to it.

1304
01:14:21,170 --> 01:14:24,170
Wow.
That's why, that's why it's

1305
01:14:24,170 --> 01:14:30,450
fascinating, because it just,
it's not like some random place.

1306
01:14:30,450 --> 01:14:33,850
Like it connects to other things
that other people have said.

1307
01:14:33,850 --> 01:14:37,170
Like I said when we started
talking about J.

1308
01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:40,090
Rod and element and the element,
yes on that 115.

1309
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:46,100
It connects, yeah.
So I mean it's just that's the

1310
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:50,940
thing this phenomena, you know,
we're talking about disclosure,

1311
01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:54,340
we're talking about, you know,
Ufo's or Uap's or whatever.

1312
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:59,100
They all have similarities.
Is it because now these stories

1313
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:03,140
are so well known?
Well, potentially, But what is

1314
01:15:03,140 --> 01:15:06,420
that saying?
If it walks like a duck and it

1315
01:15:06,420 --> 01:15:09,380
quacks like a duck, it's
probably a duck.

1316
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,760
Like maybe they're the this
phenomena should be taken

1317
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,520
seriously and we should say this
is aliens, or this is another

1318
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,160
dimension or like this is.
Whatever the case, is there

1319
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,160
something here and the same
thing's happening to other

1320
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,480
people and we need to start
taking it seriously and saying

1321
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,840
call a spade a spade.
This is exactly what's

1322
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,220
happening.
Let's start studying it instead

1323
01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:37,020
of, you know, ridiculing these
poor people for coming out and

1324
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:39,540
telling the truth of something
that's incredibly traumatic for

1325
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:41,820
themselves.
Exactly like God.

1326
01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:42,900
It'd be awful.
Could you imagine that?

1327
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:46,540
No be.
It would be awful, yeah.

1328
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:49,060
So I'm not sure I could do it.
I don't know if I could do it

1329
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:50,580
either.
I'm not sure if I would be like

1330
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:52,060
honest.
I know I'd be like.

1331
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:56,310
No, not Kevin.
Yeah, we had we had a guest who

1332
01:15:56,310 --> 01:16:00,110
said this happened to them and
they wrote into us about it.

1333
01:16:00,390 --> 01:16:02,870
Oh God.
But so that's that's my story

1334
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:07,390
about the Zeta Reticuli incident
or the Betty and Barney Hill

1335
01:16:07,390 --> 01:16:08,590
incident.
Fascinating.

1336
01:16:09,150 --> 01:16:11,950
Oh, one thing I wanted to to
talk about is, hey, if you're

1337
01:16:11,950 --> 01:16:18,430
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1338
01:16:18,430 --> 01:16:22,710
Wherever you're listening, hit
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1339
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:25,790
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1340
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:29,630
the highest number.
But yeah, this has been really

1341
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:30,550
fun.
And thanks.

1342
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:32,630
It was a great episode.
It was fun.

1343
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:34,950
I love how our episodes connect
to each other too.

1344
01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:36,790
I know.
It's so cool.

1345
01:16:38,350 --> 01:16:39,510
Cool.
Thank you so much.

1346
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:41,070
Thank you, Okay.
Talk to you later.

1347
01:16:41,070 --> 01:16:42,070
Talk to you later.
Bye.