Deep Fakes: AI for Good or AI for Evil?

0:01 Hello. Bizarre story, friends, you've tuned in to the bizarre AF where we talked about the strange, the Absurd, the unknown and things that are Pasar ass. Fuck. I'm Kevin I'm going to be your host for today's episode and as always we ask that you keep an open mind. Keep us skeptically are but keep listening to those facts. As we take you on our newest Journey, deep fakes AI for good, or AI for Eve. Mmm, Well, hello.

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2:35 Humanistic like humanism like we believe the best in people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Whole Star Trek. Yeah, that's not go any further than that. Okay. Cuz cuz then it can get scary images are going to talk about today. So, Alicia have you Have you ever heard of deep? Fakes. I have I've heard of deep fakes. I thought that they were weren't they being used like to pretend like you know presidents were saying things like Obama was saying things that he never said. And like yeah I recall like recall all of that. Yeah. Yep. So you have you ever seen them? Yes. Yeah.

3:15 I've also seen them with Tom Cruise, like conkers doing like those magic tricks. He's stuck. Yeah. We're gonna talk about that little bit. Yeah, but yeah, exactly. That's it. They first did not look good. Like, you're like, okay, it was like, yeah, but now I feel like I can't. I can hardly tell the difference s so good. They're getting and that's kind of the scary part. Oh no, Kevin. Am I gonna be able to sleep tonight? Well, might, I might disturb you at the very end. Fuck great, great. Great. Great, great, great. Hopefully your card in our future. So, Yeah, I'm going to talk about all this stuff. It's going to be pretty unbelievable. And at the end, I think I might blow your mind in a good way. You're gonna, it's gonna blow your mind, okay? Okay.

4:09 I'll just hang on, like like setbacks of hack, make sure your seat belts are a nice and fastened. Grab one of these have have a dystopian drink with us. Yeah. T.i. hydration, whatever the fuck it is. Get rich is not hydration. Get ready for a ride. Okay, so first thing we're going to do wilcott, segment one, and it's going to be about what our deep fix. What really are, they okay, so defects are artificial media? That's created using machine learning techniques such as things, they Deep neural networks. Okay, yeah.

4:57 And what they do is they take the form of manipulated images or video or audio that appeared to be real. But are in fact, purely synthetic, okay. Now D pigs are created by training algorithms with very large amounts of data, to learn the characteristics in the patterns of a particular individuals, voice face and mannerisms So it's just studying videos of that person, for instance, Tom Cruise, he has all of those movies and interviews and precisely. Yeah, it's just a machine watching and watching that just on repeat and just like people that do Impressions and they just watch him and sometimes they're so just so good because they just watched and studied them for so long. These are computers that can be perfect. Oh my God.

5:50 Kevin. So once the algorithm has learned these past Patterns it can then generate new content that mimics the individuals appearance speech and behavior. Hence, what you were just talking right of the time Crews videos now the term deep fake. Is actually a combination of two terms, deep learning and fake. It's reflecting the fact that these Technologies rely on complex, algorithms to generate these convincing simulations of reality. Now, defects have been used for a variety of purposes including fake news. All kinds of propaganda revenge porn. Oh yeah.

6:33 Oh my God, that's awful. And they can be very difficult to detect because just by Nature what they are. They are designed to look and sound realistic right now, the creation and use of deep fakes, they raised a tremendous number of ethical and legal concern again because they can be used to manipulate public opinion, they can be used to defame I'm people individuals, or like we said, spread disinformation. Now, as a result of go ahead. Oh, sorry. And represent people who. That's, yeah. It's not them, right? Like so exactly like copyrighted material, right? Like, like, can you copyright yourself? Like okay like let's say let's say oh God you know what? I just thought about what we're doing, we're doing these podcasts huh?

7:26 And we have cameras, yes honest. People could make deep fakes on us, just based on are without question. Oh my God someone could create a whole podcast with the two of us saying sure that we didn't actually saying should we didn't actually say and very plausible. Like in fact, I could go today and probably do that. Ah, really? Uh-huh. Well Kevin Kevin you are like tech savvy so like but I'm just gonna go that's how available it is. Like I wouldn't have to like dig to do. Figure out how to do that. I could just go do a couple searches and figure out how to do this. That's fucking crazy.

8:06 This is the problem. What is truth? What is not? This is the problem. Yes, exactly, sorry. So many governments as a result of all of this and high-tech companies are investing in a lot of research to develop methods to detect and to prevent The spread of defects because you can as based on all of the things I've just said, it could be very, very problematic, right? Because if you have like a world leader or something whose like we just declared nuclear war on the United States. Right now we have all of our Warheads pointing directly to Canada like who would ever want to fuck Hannah like Sweden. But like, but yeah, you could say that. And then the whole world was on all kinds of panic. Fuck.

9:02 So would be in their best interest to like figure it out? Yeah. How can we, how can we determine whether or not? This is a deep fake. Yes. And then not to throw gas on the fire but then to determine How do you determine the people that are saying it's fake when it's not fake right? Because they could be on video or even a that you've just you just made that I didn't. I wouldn't have done that. I didn't take my pants down for that prostitute. Oh, yeah. Everything could be a deep fake, anything. I mean it's a convenient excuse for audio video, pictures shit. Yeah, that's true.

9:42 So What are the types of defects? I just said images videos. Pictures. Yeah. So in 2019 sounds yes. So in 2019, a date, a deep fake video of former President. Barack Obama was created, do you remember this? That's the first one that came into my mind where he appeared to give a speech that he never ever gave. And the video was created by training an algorithm on existing footage of Mama and in manipulating it to look like he was saying something that he never said. Said that's dangerous. Scary. Yeah. So the video was created as a demonstration. Of the potential dangers of defects. It was to prove a point and show just how easy someone could create that video and spread up false information on a dime. The video went quickly viral.

10:36 Yeah, sparked. A lots of discussions about deep fakes on politics and Society, it was cray cray and we're going to watch it. We're gonna watch it. Okay, great? I because I would like to see it again. Here we go. Okay. We're entering an era in which our enemies can make it look. Like I didn't wanna say anything at any point in time, even if they would never say those things. So for instance, they could have me say things like, I don't know. Kill mother was right. Or Ben Carson is in the second place or how about the simply President Trump is a total and complete edition? Well I mean strength see I would never say that. At least not a public address, but someone else would someone like Jordan Peele?

11:32 This is dangerous time. Moving forward. We need to be more Vigilant with what we trust from the internet. That's the time we need to rely on. Trusted news source, may sound basic but how are we for age of information is going to be the difference between whether we survive or whether we become some kind of fucked up to system. Thank you stable, bitches. So, if you're watching on video, did you notice how the Obama version the mannerisms were completely different?

12:16 Yes. Then what Jordan was doing? Yeah. Because the computer was generating those movements based on what he was saying, and the based on the movements that Obama makes when he talks, you know what I kept, the mouth looked a little to me. I could see a little something off, on the little something off on the mouth, that's what I wrote. Down mouth. It was kind of fuzzy, like, the mouse kind of looked like, it was like, moved out a little bit. Yeah. And it wasn't right exact and like that. Like, the dimensions of Obama's face. Yes. But I did, when I was listening to her, I thought this kind of sounds like Obama, but it really doesn't sound like Obama, right? Right? Which so here's the here's the thing.

12:56 Okay, two things. So in your first point on the visuals, yeah, In from the time that that was made until today the technology has improved 20 times. What year was that again? 19 I believe 1920 19 so in four years it has drastically gotten better Goddamn. Secondly he was he just has an impersonator sweat, it has voice but now they have synthetic generators. Yeah we'll do it. You don't have to actually pretend to be them so then you really do get the tones. I I'm so mad at myself. Had went to a website and I had it train my voice and I had it speaking things on my behalf and I couldn't find that link anymore so I didn't have that particular clip but it sounded just like me.

13:50 Even your intonations in my intonations. The way I said, the words, you know, what's crazy about that. They also know how filters like current filters icon Tick, Tock where someone could be narrating things and it's like it's almost Almost like an effect just on the sound, but it sounds like a totally different person person. Like, maybe it would sound like your voice or like see and that's, that's clearly trained on someone else's voice. Yes. What the fuck like, okay, also can we just talk about how awesome Jordan Peele is because he is he's not a friend of the Pod but I would love for him to be a friend of the Pod because he is a fellow like he's Do enthusiasts?

14:35 Yes. Yeah, we're jobs the crazy shit, right? Yeah, you woke like, honestly, like stay vigilant on false information. Yes. That what's crazy is like when that video came out? Yeah, it went insane. Yeah and everyone was like, oh my God, what else can we make? Obama say. Like that's crazy. Yes and now we look at it, we're like okay, our eyes are kind of train. Yes. So we kind of can see that they're like I said the technology is just getting way way. Way better? Yeah. Oh my God. It makes me so nervous. Great has great. So photos are probably the easiest to fake because we've actually been doing that for a very long time. Hello, Photoshop.

15:20 Yeah, facetune name. Anything, even back in the day, like 1940s, they used to put like Vaseline, and like they would even go into the actual negatives and like scraping, yeah, it's always been a thing to A the thing about those filters are like the filters and things like that. Often times, you can't tell the difference, like there are some some accounts that I follow that show how people have edited their, their bodies or their faces like even people like Naomi Campbell okay. Yeah. Who's a supermodel? Beautiful? Like ridiculous trying to make everything, perfect. And she's like, changing her like neck to be longer like her face to To be thinner. Yes or like, you know, wrinkles to go away. And I can't see the, I didn't know, but there are some, there's one called celeb face.

16:13 I don't know if you've seen that one, but they'll show like, the picture that the original picture and the picture that the person posted and show, like, it'll show the original picture or no first, we'll show the picture of the person posted like, I don't know, Kylie Jenner. Sure. The next, the next picture will be the original picture. Then they'll show in a video clip the edits that were made. So it looks like a transform it. Yeah, to transform it and you see you're like whoa, they don't even look like the same person, right? Like people are almost making themselves look like fucking like aliens. I like some kind of weird represent like false representation of who they are as a person. Well, even those very, very, very basic simple ones. Like the do makeup.

16:56 Yes, looks so real. Yeah. The makeup filters. Yes, I'm like, I would have bet a million dollars that you were wearing that makeup. Yes. Yeah, it's yeah. There's one, there's one right now on Tick-Tock that like everyone's using and they, you know, the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Oh you don't really like musicals. That's right. But there's a song where the this guy saying you are deformed and then Quasimodo's like I am deformed so people are taking the filter off of them so that the I'm saying I am deformed either Arisen. Then you you're like Quasimodo like your actual picture like who you are.

17:37 Yeah. And it's like it does look deformed. It's like this weird like false representation of like you on your best day with like a shitload of fucking plastic surgery and stuff like that and stuff and makeup professionally done. Yeah. But that you can't even tell that they're even wearing filters anymore. Are we going to know what's real anymore? That's what I'm what I'm wondering is even years ago. Bobby Brown, you know, Bobby not Bobby Brown, the singer Bobby Brown, the makeup artist. Yes. So she caught a lot of shit because she was using a filter on her videos to make her look younger. And to make her look more radiant. Not disclose marketing. That's some bad. That's misleading. Yeah, because you're doing a makeup brand, yes, right. And you're saying, look how beautiful I am when you're, in fact, you're doing technological editing. That's yes, that's not right?

18:28 It's false representation of False representation, totally, which is interesting. I don't, I don't think we will be able to tell, I don't either, I don't either. So, With a is software, we don't need Photoshop anymore. You have to be good at Photoshop. Like Photoshop is a chore. It's not like you need to know what? Yeah, it's an art. You have to know what you're doing but with AI you just kind of go click like, you did. Oh, I want to look pretty push the button Loop. All the come pretty. I mean, it. Yes, at your fingertips, literally. so I took a photo of myself and a photo of Alicia and I put it in a software called reface, And I asked it to put us on the cover of a Playboy. And in about 20 seconds poof we were on Playboy as one of my favorite photos of all time and there it is. Look at my mouth.

19:34 Okay girl. Yeah you're sexy with that little pouty. Mouth and your lond hair and you're right firm bosoms. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. That girl doesn't need to wear a bra. No, look at you like yes. Yes, you might ease Farah hair. You may have like a little bit of a mustache. I do have a mustache happening. So I'm a little like, what is it non-transforming or non gender gender? What is that? What is that? Yeah. You know, I'm male and female and tragic and drawed. Yeah, it's very androgynous picture. Yeah. Oh, my isn't it? Hot.

20:14 That is so funny. I can see my eyes for sure. And I guess I can see my nose. Yeah, I I guess I kind of like, My mouth. I think my mouth your mouth is a little different. Yeah, yeah, pouty. Hmm. I Cans I definitely can see, it's definitely Raw. It's definitely a definitely my eyes and definitely like that's definitely a that like, that's fucking hilarious. Playmate sister. So, you didn't even say like, which one? No. You just said, take these two pictures. Put us on a Playboy, cut it. God. Dude, that is some crazy shit crazy. Yeah.

20:55 Crazy. And that's, that's, that's like 20 seconds cursory glance. Yes. I am sure. You can find something that you spend money on this. Like, you know. Yeah. Like intense. And like it takes processing, like you imagine. I can't go. That's fucking free 22nd thing. Yeah, exactly. That's my point. That is my point. So, The point. Yeah, I guess that is. That was my point of that. Picture is how simple? Yeah. Easy and accessible it is. And to your point, how you can imagine? There is stuff that exists that takes way more processing power would cost me, you know, take some time and money to make it so you can time.

21:40 You can imagine how unknown. How realistic so realistic that you couldn't tell the difference like you literally just played you just posed for Playboy. Didn't you right? Right? What if okay, what if you're okay? What if you're getting a new job or something? Exactly. And these post like these pictures are our poster of you like you're saying a revenge porn and stuff. It's like it would have someone takes that picture. I just put online they take a snapshot of it. Publish it online and go Kevin was doing Playboy's a trans. Yeah. I mean they could make anything You know I'm saying? Yeah, it's like I said good and evil. Yeah, good and evil.

22:21 I think it's good because I think it's hot. You look hot, great, like nobody's making a filter to make you look uglier than exactly. Yes, we're fine. With we're fine with a Playboy picture, like just don't superimpose our faces on a Manitou years. Exactly. So in 2021, that audio device, A pic of Tom Cruise that you were talking about. Yes, that was created by a company called Reese feature. In any audio clip, a person in impersonating, Tom was recorded saying things that he never said. And the clip was created by analyzing existing recordings of Tom Cruise and then it's synthesized brand new words and phrases using these machine learning algorithms.

23:07 Now, the Deep fake audio clip was so convincing that it fools so many people into thinking, Tom was actually doing it. I mean, it took a hot minute for people to really think that it wasn't him being cray. Cray, I thought the same thing, Yeah, exactly because he has been cray-cray. Well that's that's just it. It was hard but like extreme extreme personality. Which is great. We love those very interesting. Yeah. But not out of the world out of this. So that that is, you know, the clip that really started raising concerns to about the potential measures of deep fake audio technology because that's even worse because you can't see the mouth, moving, weird or whatever. Could just be some kind of like audio clip released which Which does happen. And it happened on many occasions. What Mel Gibson remember when he came out like? Oh, yeah, but those like voicemails and stuff. Yes.

23:59 And you're like, damn, you like, oh yeah, you're like wait a second, you're racist homophobic like piece of shit. Uh-huh. Cool. And it cost him his entire career head. What if it did? What if that was fake? I mean, I mean, no, I don't think it was, but what if I was? So what if it was? Or what if what if somebody has kind of some kind of a vendetta against show? Exactly. And can use, I don't know, podcast Clips to to make you say when your career real life. Yeah. How do you protect that? This is what people need. This is what governments and we're going to talk about in a second but something that needs to be figured out. Yeah.

24:44 So, you know, it's worth noting that while the audio deep fakes are less common than the video. Deep fakes they are, still a growing concern and reach users researchers are working on, developing new methods to detect and prevent the spread of audio deep Vegas as well. That's that's the thing happening. So, I wanted to give this a try. So, I randomly picked a site that claims, to be able to do this activity, and it's called fake you.com. And it appears that these voices are built by community members, like, people that are really geeked out on this. They actually develop these voices through training and and such and then they make them public for people to be able to use. Yeah, so so some are good We're not, okay? And it just depends on the amount of time that they or the AI that they're using put, they put into it and it takes time for these systems to to learn.

25:47 But also, as an interesting fact, most if not all the voices, produced by this website are actually a Woman by the name of Linda Johnson with some layers on top of it now, There's this thing called a Linda Johnson speech data set that is available free on GitHub what? And apparently, her voice is the root source of a lot of these deep fakes and maybe there's just something about her voice that allows it to be this kind of root Source somehow and then with layers and tones and stuff they can build just about anything and she's I guess she's a kind of a professional voice-over person.

26:29 We're going to take a little listen. To a sample of her voice. Yeah. Sorry, I can't. Many animals of even complex structure which live parasitically within others are wholly. Devoid of an elementary cavity. So that's Linda Johnson, and that's a sample. That's a sample of her data set, okay? And so people, I guess somehow take that, I don't claim to understand any of this and and generate these voices. Now, my first attempt was with a voice, we all know a mr. Tom Cruise. Yes. Okay, okay, and now it's marked the system marked its voice as voice sounds man. That's literally.

27:17 What is it voice? Sounds Me. Maybe not fancy. All right, so I asked it to say hi. This is Tom. One of the things I love more than Scientology is the bizarre AF shut. Oh my God this is what it sounds like. Hey, this is Tom. The one thing I love more than skin will be is the bizarre of now observers of incentives. Yeah, yeah. First of all, didn't pronounce words, right? You're right here the digital tone of. Yes, it's you could hear me. Homs crew Crews tone in that.

27:58 Yeah. Like At first I was like, oh, I don't know about this Tin. Can ya sound like a tin can? But then like, as I was listening like oh, I can actually hear it. Yeah, this is one but just listen one more time. Hey, this is Tom. The one thing I love more than skin glow guy. Is the busier of so you can hear. Yeah. And I think that's probably why they went Sounders me. Yeah. It was great. So that one needs some work. So next, I tried Barack. See if the guy that did the Baroque tone was any better? Yes, right. And here's and I had time I had him say hi. This is Barack listen to the bizarre AF because crazy shit is good shit. This is what this is.

28:42 Brock. Hello citizens of the United States. This is Mark, listen to the bazzara because crazy shit is good shit. It's getting better and better. Yeah, still still kind of tin ear. The Tammy little not saying AF he's going if yeah and you could even say his name, right? You can use a bra crackling. Yeah. So that obviously needed some work. Okay, couldn't stop. Was it getting addictive? Right, I can only see it. Try this shit so then I'm like I found Snoop Dogg. Oh my God I love Snoop Snoopy. This one, I don't even need to tell you what he says, check this out. Don't fiddle with the shizzle.

29:25 Listen to the but so a if that's pretty good, I'm good. Yeah, still can't say AF. Yes it kept till could hear some synthesis. Yeah, I'm 10. Yeah. The 10 way, better way. Better best so far best. So far. Yeah. So again I'm like I just I need to find a good one and then I found Bart Simpson. Mmm. We had guided them under some Bart. Yeah, Bart because Doster Dom estradiol like he belongs in our fucking bizarre EF world right now. He's, he's ok.

30:06 But OK, You're Gonna Hear Bart. Okay. Okay, here we go. Here we go, Bart. Give it to us to do. The bisseroff, is my sister Lisa's favorite podcast. She's a brilliant standest scan test. Scant is supposed to say scientist. Yeah, so still having pronunciation problem. Yes, sir off is my sister Lisa's favorite podcast. She's a brilliant standest. But like, even like it's sounding like the intonations our sound better. Yeah. And it, although, it still sounds tinny it. I mean, it's way better. Yes, it's way better way better.

30:47 And remember, keep in mind, this is free. I'll free options. Free that you just put yourself into a queue, it'll generate it and then he says I'm done. So again keep him. Keep that in mind when we're doing that. And oh, look who just walked in the studio. So, Gwyneth Paltrow just walked into the studio. And for those that are on video, it's she's off Mikey just you can't see her. She's kind of right over here, but the producers in my ear just told me. She's she was in the lot and she just wanted to say hi. Hey Gwyneth, how you doing? Hey, how's it going? Wait, where are you there? Thanks for the introduction. Chemical. Sure. As you said, I'm going to and I'm so happy to be here. I've listened to all of your podcasts and you guys are great. Kevin, you are the hottest guy I have ever seen and Alicia love your Playboy photo and I'd love for you to do a group photo shoot for our next cover.

31:39 How nice I would love to hear. So sweet that. Oh you got it. Okay, no problem. Thanks for stopping by. It's a can you leave us a candle or something? Yeah smells like your the vag badge egg. I just wanted to see what it looks like. Thanks. Okay. Great. See ya. That one was really good, pretty good. That was getting loud better. Yeah, yeah. So I'm just saying there's just all kinds of options here, you know what, another thing I was just thinking about it's also the pacing. It is the pacing to make it sound because you don't want to talk like this because that's not normal right, right? Right. You automatically take pauses or you breathe. And yeah.

32:22 When I say Alicia, I might say Alicia or hey Alicia. You have only yeah the tones will change and like the Cadence of your conversations going to change your your the words that you're saying yeah that I do see that but yeah fuck that one of the one was pretty good. Pretty good. Wow yeah that's fucking crazy. So let's talk about how deep Lakes are created kind of the it's explain the technology. So The technology behind deep fakes is based on kind of mentioned earlier, learning algorithms, which are a type of artificial intelligence that can learn, and recognize and analyze complex patterns in data. And while it may be hard to reconcile in your mind video, Imagery and audio are nothing but patterns, right? Yeah.

33:19 Defects. Use a type of deep learning algorithm called generative adversarial, Network or gain. Now you go. What the fuck is K? Yeah, I don't, I don't like the adversarial part of it, I can system. So this thing this is why it's adversarial, okay? Gaines consists of two neural networks. One is a generator Network. The other is a discriminator network. Now, the generator network is trained on a large data set of images or videos or sounds. Whatever it is that you're trying to do. And so, then it learns how to create those new images of the videos that are similar to the original data set that it was given sure the discriminator network on the other hand, it's trained to differ if terrific, oh my God, differentiate between real images and videos and those that are created by the generator Network, okay?

34:25 And this is somehow Works in conjunction. The discriminator Works, to help the generator because Knows the difference between real and fake. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah, interesting, it is interesting. And so as the generator Network creates new images or videos, the discriminator network evaluates them, and prevent provides feedback to the generator. So it's helping the Buddy out. Yeah. It's talk talking to each other. Yep. So this feedback helps the generator Network to refine its output and create more realistic images and videos over. Time. The generator becomes better and better better at creating all of those things and then it becomes more difficult for the discriminator network to differentiate the two, okay? So that so when it stops having notes or when it has less notes like, okay, that's pretty good.

35:20 That's fucking crazy, crazy. It's a learning. Yeah. Yeah, these systems, these algorithms are learning is really now to create a deep fake. The Later network is trained on a specific individuals voice face mannerisms. And then using this very large data, set of images and videos of that person and then once the generator network has learned these patterns, it can then generate new images or videos that mimic the appearance, the speech and the behavior and that's how you get those things like we saw for Barack Now why the technology behind the fakes? Is rapidly advancing. There are still limitations for what it can do.

36:00 So, for example, it can be difficult to create realistic. Deep fakes with individuals whose features and movements are very distinct and unique, okay, okay. And while deep face can be much more convincing with like short little Clips like Tom Cruise going, hey girl versus you know, a 3 minute monologue, right. They can because they can, then they start to pick can appear. Or unnatural or unrealistic, even short ones than longer versions. But the shirt ones are just obviously way easier. Of course because you do is you have your blessing, my vacation time to judge. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Wow.

36:41 So a president going I've just launched nuclear bombs is gonna be way more convincing than him talking for an hour. Yeah I've just not launch nuclear bombs and blah blah blah. Okay so I have another question in regards to Just the so those voices that we're listening to or just just a thought behind that. Yeah so this lady what was her name again? Oh yeah. Linda I think was under Johnson. Yeah, so Linda her voice is more similar to Gwyneth. Paltrow's right. Which is where we're pulling all this, like free information from. Uh-huh. So if we had more sample, like a complete data, like our sample size? Yes. Yes, of varying voices.

37:24 Yes, then it would become even more. Intelligent. This is just a 3-1, right? Exactly. So I'm straight ahead hours and hours, and hours, and hours, and hours, and hours, and hours of Obama, which we do. Yeah. The system. Now, what that generator Network and that other what we call it the generator, many discriminator network was it? Yeah, discriminator Mater. Yeah, those two can work it out way better, because they've got a lot more data. That's fucking crazy. I yeah, that's okay. I have so many doesn't it. Insert to make your mind like melt a little bit like thinking about. It all go down, rabbit holes.

38:06 I think I think also it You know, we used to write like think, okay, people who are more measured, who are, who seemed to be like, you know, more controlled giving speeches or acting or whatever. The case may be like, that was like, that was something that we looked at and said, oh, I think that's a goal, right? Like, that's something like, like, we have our politicians, who are incredibly verbose, but they're very calm collected, like, going into the And yes. That's easily taken advantage of by AI systems.

38:47 Apparently, even more, even more easy, right? Because people who are more expressive people who have more into Nations or, you know, the algorithms have a hard time. Just that's that's where the art comes in, right, like, right. Like when we're talking about computers computers aren't Artful. They are systematic. Yes. So if you are more like this is what I'm going to talk about. This is Next point, this is how I'm going to like, of course, that's going to be easier to replicate. Exactly. So I wonder what the future might look like, because maybe everyone's going to be more expressive because it's harder to fool a to copy. Yes.

39:29 Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe that's the future. Instead of having our politicians who are like, very systematic, very more animated. Yeah. Maybe they're going to become more animated because I don't know. I don't either. It's Just so interesting. It kind of brings up. It might bring up a dilemma that these folks have. Like, I don't want to be easily, replicate like replicated and yeah, clearly, they're looking for ways to change it. Governments are right ways to combat that. Yes in order to you know, stuff world war, three or something, you know, it's so scary. Yeah. Because you're talking about like nuclear bombs, like that's something that you could very easily be saying. It's, it's just, it's insane Turtle today. That's a careless things.

40:17 Absolutely. Yeah. My name's I've joked around and let like said something stupid. Just as a joke but taken out of context. Yes, right now you can just say, make it people say it whenever. Oh, absolutely oof. So some of the tools and software used to create defects. I'm just gonna go through a few lists and this is such a, this is just scratching the surface. There's something called Deep face lab This is a popular software used for creating deep bakes. It's open source. And lets people swap faces bodies backgrounds and videos, all kinds of stuff. Sure. Yeah. Whole body are the face swap, that's what we used. Yeah, for the Playboy for the Playboy was face swap.

41:03 As a film called fake app. Another popular tool for deep fakes. Deep dream. Oh God. What's that sag? I know you guys like that's the one episode in your like, oh sounds like dream of the fishes and hey, yeah, yeah. Hey to her dream. There's a lot of conversations with the word dream. This is a gets a Google software that uses deep learning algorithms to create, surreal, images, and videos. And I don't know if you all have recently, saw the Google Kind of open the doors to, I can't remember. I think it was 60 minutes. and, You can tell it in ink with words.

41:44 Create me a flying pink. Taxicab flying over New York and it will do it. Okay, so we've actually used an AI to generate images on our Instagram and for there you go. So how your McDonald's. Okay. The McDonald's you had to do it. I did. Yeah. Create an image for you so I told us not copyrighted, right? Right. It's exactly what you want. Yes, well, I mean, okay, I would say that it probably would Like having used it, it probably isn't. So, I think like the script or the prompt that I gave it was and it's through Discord, like, there's this Discord that you can go onto and you just say, like, you do like a specific script and then you say Ronald McDonald on A Monopoly board. Gotcha, which is what I said.

42:36 Yes, and it generated multiple images. So if you go onto our on to our Instagram, you will see the image. That was created and it looks like it looks like the all the writing was kind of in Russian which is fucking weird and I couldn't get the Russian out of it. I only said, probably for copyright reasons, right? Could be could be but like, it didn't look. It didn't look like, you know, an esoteric language or was Junior Monopoly board? You knew it was a Monopoly board. Yeah. Because you had like the get-out-of-jail-free card. Yeah. Like our corner like yeah. Are like Ronald McDonald with lots of money or Ronald? There was another one, Ron. Old McDonald with in an interrogation and like the, the, and then you could have it do different versions of that.

43:22 Yeah. And you could say, hey, I like this version because it gave you multiple versions. You say, I like this version kind of like ripped off of that. Yeah, exactly. And it's insane how quickly it can generate and nothing. May tell it to do anything. I wonder like what if I mean you and I but like eventually it's going to get to the point where it could. All right, some images that are you and I like flying on unicorns or whatever. Like I would love that picture. We could do it. I mean, we could literally do that today because you give it a picture of you and I and say put us on some unicorns. I mean, we could do that. We should have it do that. We should do that for this episode. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay, Tanner flow is open source machine learning. It's used to create deep fakes, provide a platform for building and training, neural networks, that once it allowed for more complex pie torch is another one. Faceswap I talked about Out.

44:14 Eva a see. What was it? Avatara fi another one, it allows people to actually animate images and videos with these deep learning, so you can do have more animated versions of things. So we're just kind of in the grand scheme of things right on The Cutting Edge and so it's just and the way technology moves in our world. It's the rapid pace of improvement is just what you were just saying. The Obama. What happened on? 19. Exactly. Just looking at that. Like what while worried that was four years ago? Oh yeah. Now we're like oh yeah. I know you can totally tell it's fake. Totally, that's fucking crazy.

44:58 So obviously there's ethical implementation implications for creating Jim Fixx, right? Defects can be used to deceive people by creating false or misleading content that appears to be real. And this can be harmful to people that make decisions based on false information. Sure. Where the defects used to defame or harm an individual they can be used for deception and spread misinformation, which can then can be, especially harmful if it's used to influence public opinion or manipulate the outcome of an election or exact. Absolutely defects can be used to violate an individual's privacy by creating fake images or videos of them without their consent.

45:40 I'll basically you're impersonating a person that can be damaging if the fake special, especially if it's sexually explicit or defense. Oh my God. Yeah. And then people love to blame without facts or proof and it's like guilty until proven innocent. So yeah, yeah. People come out with their pitchforks and I like, oh, you did. Yes. And they're like no. No. Actually I didn't and then you have to. Yeah, you have to try to prove yourself. Like I didn't, I didn't, Hose for, you know, Playboy and I like ladies. I'm looking at the picture right there. Yes, you did. I was born in 87. I was a fetus. Like, how do we know? You know?

46:21 And there's like no truth. Then there's no. Then you can't, you can't have like a there are no reliable sources. Oh, right. I marry sources. It's fucking scary, dude. Having a fake image audio file or video of someone doing something illegal. Oh my God. Yeah unscrupulous dangerous morally unacceptable. I can never be undone, right? And then lastly deep fakes can have legal Implement implications as they can be used to create fake evidence or in create or incriminate someone falsely. Oh my God, that's true, that's true. I didn't think of it in a right because you're not crazy, right? Yeah.

47:11 Oh yeah, there are plenty of smart and crazy people. Yes, that's okay. You should be that. Do your thing. No, I'm not your enemy. So clearly lots of ethical concerns and weeks, we really do need to start thinking through the technology, but it's a very slippery slope because I mean, it's important, it's clearly see, it's going to be important to develop policies and regulations that can mitigate the risks Associated to the Deep fakes. But we have to ensure we are promoting Innovation and creativeness in the field without censorship. Right violating the first frickin Amendment, right, right? There's an order to be creative, you have to kind of have to allow yourself to have, as Many boundaries, right? Right.

48:11 So Where is that line? That's where my brain starts to melt because I'm like, where is that line? I think, I think traditionally it's been ethically. Like right. Okay. Doctors, things like that, doctors and nurses. They take a vow of like, you know, I don't know what it is. No huh? Yeah. Yeah. They're not gonna harm anyone. They're going to try to help people. There's a space. Yeah. There's a word for it. Yeah. We just don't know. Yeah, I know people are shouting and generate it right now. Like like, hey, what have you not fucking know this not but it's like, you know, you don't know. Like, they take this vow, like, an ethical vow to say that they're not going to do harm to someone that they're going to try to help in any way possible.

48:57 Yes. No matter what, right? They're not going to use their powers for bad. They're going to use it for good. So what if there's some kind of like ethical vow that we take because you can't one thing that we've learned, at least, you know, both of us have learned on this podcast, is that you can't fucking control people. All right. You can't control them but you know, having some kind of moral dilemma or ethical, like, you know, agreement vow, then maybe perhaps that's a way to kind of satiate these things but seems is sounds like a good idea but as you just said, you can't control people and you certainly can't fucking control technology. No, you can't control these at least you. And I can sit here and say, okay, we're going to take this. Yeah, try totally are some way.

49:45 I'm going to take the vow or whatever, right. But like they don't have to what about fucking programs have been programmed to do whatever and like, you can't tell the program or the algorithm for the ethical. It does not know what ethics are. That's right, and that's what they've done. A lot of these companies have our already had to do. They've already learned their lessons, like open API, they've had or open a, I think it's opening. I, they've had to put blocks on it because people have created some Easy effing shit. Oh God. And so they've had to kind of put some blockers in America because wall or something yes some sort of a thing that helps the a I go. No that's like morally not right order. That's a little much like sensor doing is a little bit of censorship obviously.

50:31 Yeah. Yes, see, that's the yeah, very slow. That's exactly what you're talking about. I yeah. What do you think about that? Do you think? I don't know. I don't know. That's why I said that's where my mind starts to melt when I started thinking about this. Because like, I just said, I think There's got to be some boundaries, but don't want to step on people's Liberties. Yeah, how do you create boundaries that are flexible. So, there are some positive outcomes with this technology entertainment. Sure. It can be used to create new forms of entertainment videos that combine faces different actors, or singers could be a fun way to explore.

51:16 New forms of media are storytelling. Yeah, Education, create educational content. That might, otherwise be difficult to produce making and learning more interactive. Hmm. Accessibility giving people more access to content, such as videos with sign language. For example, do have some build that for you. Yeah. Research used to simulate scenarios. That might not otherwise be able to develop, but you can do that. Synthetically, special effects. Yeah, Special. The movie industry. So lots of good can come from it. Sure.

51:56 Just going to have to find a balance. The kind of the skepticism and regulation with the creative tivity in the growth and figure out that about. I don't know what that's gonna be. So how do they detect defects? So there's a few ways there's visual inspection, you, and I witnessed that metadata analysis, you can kind of get the metadata of the thing to kind of better understand how it was created, right? There's a thing called are Level analysis. It involves analyzing an error. Level of an image or a video that helps to identify if it's been manipulated. Okay? Interesting face recognition technology that the you can use that audio analysis.

52:40 I got of course making sure things kind of match because as we heard sometimes you're a little tinny. Yes, very tiny. Yeah there's machine learning models that actually are build being built To detect the things that the machine learning is building, right, right, thank God. It's cryptographic techniques like digital signatures and watermarks that can I was going to say, yeah, I was going to ask about that. I would assume that might be a way. I think we do in the future. Like if you're gonna publish something, got a water Market or like those, what our QR codes or something like, you have a different key are cut. I was thinking about that like, yeah, in like a video, like, hey, this is actually us. Here's our, here's our, we know, it's code for this week. Yeah.

53:22 Or for this, you know, whatever. Exactly. But then you're probably generating that through AI anyway. So that's why it's like, you probably have to do it kind of in the back end, right, where you don't really see it until you've analyzed the video and then, you know, oh yeah, there's back in Watermark that I yes, whatever. Okay, yes, there's there's clearly no single method for detecting. We're going to, it's going to have to evolve. There's going to be many different ways and what it is. It's expensive. So, the spread of The Fakes, obviously complex multifaceted approach, involving technology, technology and policy. I thought, oh sure. Yeah. So developing better detect and tection detection technology I think is going to be important.

54:09 I'm sure that's going to happen. Yeah, promoting media literacy, like educating the public about God, that's like sense of it. That's fucking huge. The big one that is really huge. We still have that problem, right? With like, do pigs like during the last Allah, or what was it? The 2020 election. Oh, yeah, sure is. There's like a lot of deep fake super like oh no. Exactly. Is definitely saying this? You're like, no. No Trump definitely has a six-pack no definitely, no definitely no, that's a big fat in. Oh, did you have you seen some of those pictures? Yes, I mean there's some of their so Preposterous, I mean, doesn't look.

54:49 Orange, is it super imposed like do? I love the drama and the fun? Yes, entertainment. But it's clear though. No, but I, but people, but the ones that don't tell that's the product that Is the probably used to be taught. This is all right. You can use common sense are going to talk about common sense. I can I get on my soapbox? Okay, so we should have a little segment. This is Alicia. Soapbox. Get your cocktail in hand folks. Wait, hold on. Wait, this is Alicia soapbox. I'm ready. So ultimately, I feel like oftentimes, we used to at least I was taught like, okay. How can you tell what a source is? Like, when I was in college, like, we would go through like primary sources, things like that. Even and Junior High, we weren't allowed to use Wikipedia ever, right for articles.

55:43 Like for research, we couldn't use Wikipedia cause it wasn't legit. Now it's like, oh my God, actually, it's really fucking legit. It's an encyclopedia we used to actually have to go through encyclopedias my friends. Oh yeah but we knew what a primary source was we knew where information was coming from and whether or not that information was sensationalized. Whether or not there was someone Trying to get us to think a specific way. Whether or not we were being swayed. We understood where the conversation was was coming from, right? Yes. So one thing that I thought was really interesting is like, during the last elections. A lot of times people don't know whether or not things that actually been said by either candidate, right? Whether Democrat Republican like, someone's like, oh I, I want to kill babies like, nobody wants to kill babies but like, maybe there are things that are pushed into that place.

56:33 Where they're saying, Obama wants to kill babies and people like, oh, of course, like I said, we don't want to fucking kill babies, but but, but people believe that that's the case and they believe that these deep fake videos are reality instead of sitting down and saying exactly, he would never say that, right? Like this is clear someone, I believe it. Or do I really need to fact-check? Yes. Do I need a fact Checker? Like what is someone? Trying Isabel pain? Exact, first way my My opinion. It's this, my friend, it's totally that. And I think that I think that there is that has been lost. And here, here, how? I mean, I've seen up in be lost like, I'm people who are a lot older than me.

57:20 Yes. And they believe these things like, yes, it's true. Common Sense. Also like people are trying to take advantage of you. No matter what? Right? PT Barnum he said you know well here's a said hey I suckers And every minute, if whether or not he did say that, whatever. But like, but there are people who are trying to sway you in a specific direction for yes, for there for a game for some kind of game, weathers monetary or whatever or your vote like, yes, people are trying to take advantage of. Yes. So how can I read into that? Like if it seems like it's too good to be true or like this is the tail that I want to hear? Yeah, it probably fucking is yes. So how do we how do we create this media literacy? How do we create Literacy for these folks? I think that's what we have to figure out and other things like strengthening content.

58:09 Moderation. Again, I hate this. The Priestly don't want to get into censorship and all of that shit but God damn it. Like people can't use their brains. Well, they said like in our last election or the election before both of them, but the two elections before like when it was, let's see. Umph and Obama. Oh, a Biden Biden. Was it, that was it? Trump inviting before that the second know who has Trump was bhama, Obama. Yeah. And then it was Trump, and then it was Biden. Okay.

58:50 Well, yeah. President's it like so, so when Trump was wanting, oh, Hilary Duff going from was running with Hillary? Yeah. Okay. So for the Hillary Trump election, I'm with you. They were saying that Russia. They were having Bots or things. How many? Yes, and do. All of the media posts? Yes, they're trying to sway, the American people. Yes! Yes. Which is fucking scary, right? Like, of course, we don't rock rush out or fucking China, or whomever to, to sway us, right? But how do you create a media literacy are people who are, how do you do it? How do you do it? I don't know. I don't know the answer clearly.

59:32 Like that's why we need the help the right with moderation and things like that. Where you have moderate or any companies. Yeah. Companies to help. Yeah. And as much as I hate to say it, we're gonna need some governmental help. We need some oversight, sister, how to set some level we do need, we need oversight in general. Like because a lot of people didn't grow up with with, with technology, right? Like, they don't even know how to Email, right. Let alone. Look at a video of a private video on YouTube. They see a video. It's true. It's got to be real. It has to be real. Yeah. Because it was on my Facebook feed and Martha posted. It's like zactly. Martha is a fucking idiot.

1:00:12 Yeah. She just repossessed something. By the way, you just friended, Martha. Who is a robot, right? Right. Or people are falling. Love with catfish and stuff. That are not real people, right? It's insane. Exactly. so I mean overall preventing the spread of deep face is gonna like we said it's going to require a coordinated effort that involves technology and, Oversight and policy. Yeah, and I'd but I really think by working together and using Common Sense. We can Ensure I think we can help. I don't think it will ever not be a threat. I think.

1:00:52 I think we will have some deep fake problems. Period period. But I think we can help mitigate it. So what what do you think of that does it make your brain? Does this episode make your brain process a little bit? Yeah, I think. Yes, it does. I like to believe in the Star Trek where this, okay? I talked about the Star Trek world because the Star Trek world is amazing. Yeah, tell them why. Well, it's the belief in humanity, it's the belief in individuals that, you know, it is an optimistic. Yes, it's incredibly optimistic.

1:01:39 It's where you believe that people are good and humanity is worth saving human, you know, humanoid whatever like, life-forms life is important and finding different life forms and being curious about the world only creates good. And there's no. So in the Star Trek universe, oftentimes, you will have like, my favorite is Star Trek next Generation and this from and Star Trek. Next Generation is a scientific vessel that goes just to explore where no one has ever gone before and to seek out new life and new civilizations to boldly go, where no one has gone before. That's the whole feel.

1:02:25 And so they're just going out of curiosity and Trying to figure things out and there is no money. There is no monetary gain, right? Money is no longer can you can you believe it like everyone has and how the world would change? If money wasn't the driving force behind something? It would it's a different world. It opens up the world to I'd opens up Humanity to be able to pursue what it is that you enjoy and tend to be curious and seek out knowledge or or create cool things because Don't have to worry about how you're going to pay your bills or whatever, but I believe that in general, we want to do good and that oftentimes, the reason why people don't do good is because they they have deeper seated issues and they're hurting on the Inside. Yes.

1:03:17 Or they're trying to get money. Yes. Get money. I mean just be simplistic about it. Yeah so if that wasn't a thing. What's your motivation other than just being an evil person, right? Yeah there are some Like, like legitimately like evil people, which is fine. Yeah. But I do believe, I believe that. Eventually. We're going to try to we're going to figure this out. I hope so. And and it's going to come to, you know, things always get worse before they get better. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. So, we might just be at the Crux or at the start of something getting worse to where we have to change things pretty and a big bad way. And I think II forces us it can it can take care of some of those like Medial tasks that, you know, we don't want to have to do like maybe data bullshit typing in like 12 in an Excel spreadsheet like maybe you don't want to do that.

1:04:07 Maybe you could have a a I do that but all right but but you know and maybe people were created to do something greater and to have this curiosity, maybe that's something that's really important about Humanity Star Trek. There are there, are there. Artificial intelligence are always very very helpful. They are. Well depending oh, it's not. Not not wait not so he's people, hold on, not these people the Borg. The Borg is where AI inhumanity merge and they you're watching on video we are showing a borg sphere.

1:04:51 Hmm. Yeah they actually were cubes initially that's the first thing we discovered was the cubes then they somehow evolved or maybe it was a different quadrant and spheres. Yes, like we're not talking like balls, we're talking planets. Oh yeah. It's like a planet. It's like a whole ass planet. Yeah. And and ultimately, what they did is they took the Borg would take humanity and like everyone was collected like in a hive mind like Ai. And so any any, it's a great thing, right? Like any kind of disease that you had would be cured. However, yeah. You also didn't, you weren't an independent mind, your own mind. Yeah, everyone's mind is together and it's all one and when everyone is one, no one's an individual is, right? And they would assimilate.

1:05:41 So you wouldn't what resistance is futile? Hey say so So Alicia. Yes. Are you ready to have your mind blown? I ran out of your skull. I already feel like I have so many, like, moral dilemmas on this one. My mind's, a knots, and like all over the place. Getting all over. Yeah, but yes, tell me here. It goes, cab. Hang on to your seat. This entire episode was written by an AI. Shut up. I'm not even kidding. You know, are you serious? I'm serious.

1:06:25 You had this episode written by an AI. Uh-huh. No, yes. I went to. Yes, I went to open a, I and I said, please write me a podcast about deep fakes and it wrote this episode. And I asked, I asked for more probing questions to get drill down into stuff. So, I had asked a total of five questions and I had this whole episode written ten minute how many 10 minutes, how many pages is it? Oh it's Well, I mean I don't know, I can scroll awhile well but so maybe like five or six pages. Yeah, ten minutes.

1:07:11 You know? How long? A five or six? Oh my God. Podcast last me or takes me long time? It takes me. Probably that. What's going to do advertise? Yeah. A couple hours a day are yeah I get it. Are you fucking kidding me now? Now listen, clearly I went and made the little audio clips, right? I went made the way the audio clips. You. You had to prompt it. Yeah. I went to another Ai and said, you know, these are things. I want you to say, and so, yeah. So I had to go do all of that. But I didn't, I mean, not much more than that. You didn't have to tell like, it killed all of this out for me. It put it all in bullet points.

1:08:00 It created it in segments. It even said, like, can I see that formatted at a little bit? But yeah, so what a did here I can actually show. Yes, maybe it, can you see it? So it says, like segment one. You can see right here, says Segment 1. This is Deep fakes. And then it started bullet izing it out, and then giving me notes and then it would do another bullet. And then I would say type of deep fakes in. It would ride it out and then I would insert like my stuff like the links T. Okay, let's watch this little episode, right? And then we keep going down.

1:08:42 And then I there's a section of this was my little section about my little things, right? And then it was segment two. Oh my God and then little bullet point of segments to I mean it did all in the number did everything. It did it all. That's fucking crazy. That is insane to me. Yeah I don't a computer wrote this episode. I don't know if I'm gonna sleep. Okay like I really think I'm gonna have some vicious like that's got me fucked up I told you you're mine was gonna be blown. I was talking to Dave about this, huh? And he's like you know you could probably just like tell an AI to like to write your episode episode and I was like and I was like I was like, no, you can totally tell the difference. Well, but here, but wait, you totally? Like we're creative like humans, like all this shit. Here you come.

1:09:49 I swear to God, we just had this conversation like within the past week crazy and you fucking did it. I mean, maybe I maybe I did. I wonder I wonder so I don't know, like, I couldn't I Don't think I could have done this on, like, the Texas Killing Fields. I don't think I could have gotten the detail that we got on like McDonald's. I don't think you could have got the detail. You did on that CI paper. Yeah, I mean, you might have got the CI paper, but I don't feel they can get the background or like, oh yeah, I just don't question. This one was very in a box, right? It was very kind of like, systematic thematically blah, blah, blah blah, where our other episodes have been just kind of more fluid. I don't know how to describe it.

1:10:31 I just Don't I just don't think it's there yet. Like, I don't think it could have written our other episodes. Okay. I don't. It's worth trying. Yeah I was just go see what it would do. Like go back to one of our episodes and say tell them you know, write a podcast about and then fill in the blank. What does it do with all this information? Like like I nerves it learned that like earn but like I guess where does this podcast go? You mean the writing? Yeah, the doesn't like store it. You mean probably. It probably does right to pull. Maybe but part of me looks like why? Like why would it store it? Like that wouldn't ya wouldn't like what it probably Learned was when I asked that and then I asked and then after it / spit out a good chunk, I asked it, I said what software is used to create deep fix.

1:11:30 And then remember it did that. Yeah. And then I said, what are the ethical implications of defects and then I said, what are the methods of detecting deep fakes? And then I said, what technology can help control the spread of deep fakes and that was everything we just talked about so what's in it? So what it probably learned is, well, these were the questions that he asked relative to that first question. So it understands like what content to put kind of put together, right? And so that it can help in the future. Create a better product. Yes. Yeah. Like because it because it starts out with that definition. What I think is what I think is so interesting is Yeah, it had all of these details and but you still had to prompt it to go into the flow of.

1:12:15 I did, I did I didn't just say, right the podcast and it spit this out, right? I had to do it in chunks. Yeah, you had to kind of like say okay, here's the flow of a conversation. Yeah, just like we're talking about with like the intonation or the Cadence of a person's like, you know, voice our conversation. Like the way that they would say something. Yes, it doesn't know it naturally, right? You had to prompt that. Yes. And my delivery changes everything for sure. It does. Yeah, you could just back and says what it says exactly. Yeah, had. I read. Yeah, exactly. How I said, some of the tools and software used to create deep, fakes are deep face lab face app. Yes, right. Yeah.

1:12:55 You're like, okay, that's so robotic. Yeah. And it's not fun, it's not interesting, right? So they don't necessarily they don't yet know. Exactly what we're looking for, but eventually I mean what they're learning. Yeah, they're learning, you know, I don't know, 20, 25, maybe I don't know everything, maybe it, maybe you won't even have to have to ask those questions. I know. Fuck. It's weird. I don't know what I think I don't either. Does he now has having ethical problems and that's exactly why I wanted. So, I did this for two reasons, one, just to prove that it could be done. Yeah, but two, because we're doing this episode. I wanted to prove a point, right? I wanted to go like, we just did what I asked Lee. I was like, I don't like this.

1:13:42 Yeah, yeah, more like inter mice morally. I didn't like it, it feels. It feels cheap. Ichi T. It feels shitty and authentic. Yes, an authentic. I feel like, it feels like kind of dirty or something. Yes, exactly. Yeah, because we love to do this and so we want, we want to put effort into it, right? And when you listen to do it for me, no, no. You listen to people like, you know, doing a podcast, you're like, oh I love like the bench, they haven't things like that. An AI is never going to be able to create that bitch. I mean not yet, but no, but I mean the fact like you did it perfectly. We're on that. We should have done, we are on the fucking Edge and you so beautifully showed us that like that fucking my mind is blown. I see, I don't know what to think. I don't know how to feel huh.

1:14:34 I feel like I'm going to be thinking about this all night, good. I will probably be thinking about this before I go to bed tonight. Like I feel, I hope, I hope so. I hope I gave people something to think about, we need to think about. We do need to think. About it. And I think I think, hey, if you guys have any like, my father's, our thoughts. Yeah. We have on our website and go to the bazaar. AF, just Spade, spelled out the bizarre AF.com. You can leave us a voicemail, we can listen to it, or you can send us an email info at the bazaar. AF.com, we had John air to like we, yeah we can't. What would play it and rock crowd. Answer your questions on you can talk about it. Yeah, I'd love to hear people's thoughts on it.

1:15:16 Yeah, because this is a this is a fucked. This fucked up, fucked up. One my God, thank you so much. You're welcome for bringing this moral dilemma that we should all be thinking about front and center. Yeah, good, good, one. That's thinking. All right. See everybody. Yeah, baby.