The Spy and the Red Bag

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Hello, Bizarre Story friends,
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I'm Kevin.
I'm going to be your host for

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today's episode.
And as always, we ask that you

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please keep an open mind.
Keep a skeptical ear, but keep

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listening to those facts as we
take you on our newest journey,

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The Spy and the Red Bag.
Well hello my bizarre story

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friends please help me welcome
my Co host S with the most is

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Alicia Hager.
Hey.

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Hello.
Hello.

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How?
You doing?

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I'm doing good.
Good.

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So, you know, we always ask our
listeners to give us story

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ideas.
Yes.

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Because we, you know, we want to
know what you want to know.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Well, this story was given to us
by this.

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I'm so excited.
You know what?

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It sounds very spooky and like
thrilling.

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It's a bit of a thriller so, and
I'm going to say that this story

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isn't bizarre if it's bizarre as
fuck.

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Yeah, yeah, in big bold letters.
You want to get bizarre?

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Get bizarre on this one.
Yeah, this is a this is a good

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bizarre, weird story.
We love that here.

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And when when I was hearing
about this story, my face was

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contorting every time I was
hearing something, I was

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contorting more than the time
before.

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And you know me, I'm aware of my
emotions on my face.

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You can tell exactly what I'm
thinking by looking at me.

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That's.
It's a problem.

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It's a problem, but yeah, so
this is it's it's it's why I

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could doodle.
OK, I I was going to do maybe a

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trigger warning but I don't know
if I should give it away.

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I don't think I'm going to.
So just know that this is weird.

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It's very strange.
It's very.

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So prepare yourself for strange.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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OK, here we go.
So it all started on.

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On a bright summer, more yes.
Bright, cheery day.

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In 1324.
This was on Monday the 23rd

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August 2010 and on this day a
police commissioner by the name

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of John Gallagher of the
Metropolitan Police of London.

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Oh, London.
He makes his way to the home of

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a man by the name of Garth
Williams.

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Now he's going there for a
welfare check.

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I never think of an English
Garth.

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Yeah, right.
Exactly, Gareth, Sorry.

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Gareth.
OK, thank you.

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Thank you.
Sorry, sorry during your day.

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Now this home is in a very
influent fluent area, like it's

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poshy poshy posh.
It's it's well known for being

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very in the Cherry Creek.
If you're familiar with Denver

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area, nice homes and tree lined
lanes and Victorian homes and

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just very nice clean.
Yep, Yep, Yep.

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So it's a late afternoon, around
4:30 in the afternoon, and he

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meets what in London, they call
the letting agent and we would

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know that as the landlord, the
leasing agent, and they meet him

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at the address.
This particular address was

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converted townhouse.
So there were four apartments in

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this town, in this townhouse.
Yeah, yeah.

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And Garrett's home was a flat
four.

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It was in the top floor
apartment.

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Now, as I mentioned before, the
police Commissioner was called

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out for the well-being because
he was reported missing from his

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work colleagues earlier that
particular day, actually

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claiming that he had been absent
from work for over a week.

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Oh, how nice of them.
Thanks.

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Yeah.
OK, OK.

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Can we just say this if we are
missing or not?

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You know what though?
I'm really bad at responding.

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No, but girl, check this out.
I was thinking about this.

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OK, I work from home.
Yes.

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If I didn't show up to work for
a day, I mean, people would go,

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where's Kevin?
But they wouldn't like be a big

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deal, right?
Right.

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They'd be like, OK, weird.
Maybe he was like sick or.

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Sick or something.
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Second day, people be like, OK,
hasn't even heard from Kevin

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because I haven't heard from him
in a while.

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And then they'd probably try to
text and I am no response,

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right?
The third day, people would be

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like, OK, someone needs to call
Kevin's emergency contacts.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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Because something is,
something's up.

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Yeah, something is amiss.
Yes.

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Not over a week later.
I know Well, how old was Gareth?

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Like in his 30s.
OK, well, I mean.

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No, actually, maybe late 20s.
He was young.

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Oh, he was very young.
Yeah.

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So you would one would think
like, OK, Gareth is missing,

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like, OK, give it up.
Like the maybe he had like, you

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know, one too many Sunday night
and you know, whatever, but an

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entire.
Week.

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And when you find out where he
worked, you're going to get even

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more suspicious.
Oh my.

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God.
OK, I'm just going to tell you

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right now, he's not just your
average.

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He's not just a regular old
person, he is a code breaker for

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MI 6.
OK, he works for MI 6.

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MI 6 is like the CIA, the
special agents like top secret

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folks in London.
And they're the spies of London.

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They're the spies, yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So and so you might go.
OK, well maybe they thought he

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was on a mission.
That's what I was just.

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Going to say maybe that's why.
No, they knew.

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They expected him in meetings,
critical meetings, on Monday.

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OK, the fact that nobody said
anything for a week 1 brings up

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a red flag.
Red flag.

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Two tells me there is something
else up to this like.

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He's no doubt.
Like that's weird.

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That doesn't make any.
Not one bit of sense, no.

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Oh, by the way, we we realized
he was, he was missing.

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Yeah.
No, for a week.

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By the way, they didn't report
him missing on Monday until his

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sister called in my 6 and said
have you seen my my my brother?

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And they're like no.
And then it was 4 hours after

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that they called and reported
him missing.

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Dude.
Oh girl.

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OK, crazy.
Yeah, something crazy.

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It's a crazy girl, Yeah.
But but.

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Wow, crazy.
You're crazy, girl.

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Yes 100% like that.
The only reason it makes you

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think the only reason they even
started till or like set

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reported him missing was because
his sister called up.

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It's fucking sad.
That just tells you like what?

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They were just let this go,
right?

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They're high.
What are they hiding?

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Exactly.
My guess, like we were just

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saying, I don't think they
wanted this to be a spectacle

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and they were trying to either
solve the ish.

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Yeah, hide the ish something
until his sister finally they

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were like, oh shit, somebody
else is tracking this.

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Well now, now we're stuck.
Now we're going to have to do

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something.
That's that's what I think

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happened there.
Yeah, yeah, It seems like like

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like something new, something
was up.

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Maybe they were trying to
resolve it before I?

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Don't know, so the landlord
unlocks the door, waits outside

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in the hall.
Commissioner goes up in the

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apartment when he first enters.
Apartment seems normal, very

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tidy, well kept.
But as he starts to look deeper,

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he's noticing some strange
stuff.

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He sees a woman's styled red wig
hanging from the top corner of a

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chair on the dining room table.
He sees a phone on the table

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with several SIM cards next to
it.

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And by the way, when they later
tested looked at this phone, it

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had been factory reset.
The radiator in this apartment

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was full blast even though it
was a mild 70 some odds day

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degree day.
This apartment has two floors.

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He was on the top floor.
He had two floors.

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So the bedroom, he had two
bedrooms that were upstairs.

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So the guy heads upstairs to see
it to to the two bedrooms in the

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bathroom.
They were up there in the

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bathtub.
He sees this really bright red

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duffel bag that was in the
bathtub, clearly full of some.

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You know, it had something in
it.

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It wasn't like collapsed.
It was like.

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You know it.
It, it looked like it had

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something.
Yeah.

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Had two zippers that were put
together and had a padlock on it

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that you had with a key that was
locked.

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It had the the bag was locked.
He goes to lift the bag out,

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which by the way, let's pause
there for a second.

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Yeah, I'm not even in crime and
I know that I don't touch

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nothing.
Fuck.

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No, until other people get
there.

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They take photographs of the
scene.

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We get the corner there.
We have our gloves on.

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We we're not.
We're not doing nothing.

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We are, we are not doing
anything.

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We have our gloves on.
We have our Clorox wipes.

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We, we put on a shower cap
because we don't need to.

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Like exactly.
Yeah.

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So he goes to lift this bag out
of the tub to realize it was too

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heavy for him to lift, and as he
lifts it, this deep red liquid

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starts seeping out of the bag.
Blood.

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He.
Doesn't know.

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I mean, that's what I would
think, right?

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Until he gets a whiff and
realizes, oh I've smelled this

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before.
It's a dead body.

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She smells some death.
It's it's like a big, big bag.

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No, no, it's just like a big
bag.

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It's like, you know, yeah, it's
like a larger gym bag.

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Like a larger gym bag.
That's what I was like around.

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Maybe.
He just like, took a shower.

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Under gym bag, yeah.
And.

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Yeah.
Put his gym bag in there, right?

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But there's red shit, red liquid
coming.

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Yeah, he sees this red goo
smelling rotting death.

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Yes.
So he this is when he decides to

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call headquarters and go.
I need some assistance.

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OK, now you're doing a bug and
whatever.

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OK, bless you.
Bless you.

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So others arrive.
They finally they cut open the

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bag to reveal a naked Gareth
Williams in the bag.

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Oh my God.
Crammed, you know, and he was so

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contorted in the bag that they
thought he had been dismembered

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because it was so contorted in
that bag.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's a freaking duffel

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bag.
An entire human.

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Like grown human man.
You would not think.

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In that bag.
What the?

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But he wasn't cut.
He wasn't cut up.

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He wasn't cut up.
So of course, they've got to go.

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Oh, well, now we need to figure
out who this man is so we can

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figure out, you know, what
happened.

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So Gareth was born in Wales in
the late 70s?

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Yeah, he was in 2010.
Yeah, 8090.

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He was like, yeah, early 30s.
He was a very intelligent child.

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In fact, he was.
He's what you would call a

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gifted, A gifted child.
Teachers described him as the

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ultimate math genius, fastest
brain they'd ever seen.

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Like, very, very, very smart.
He was passing college exams at

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the age of 10.
Oh my God.

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Right.
So he's one of those math

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geniuses.
He was getting a university

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degree before he was an adult,
like, you know, super smart.

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So he goes on to get a PhD.
He takes advanced math course in

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Cambridge.
And so this doesn't go unnoticed

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at all.
And so he's headhunted by the

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Government Communication
Headquarters, which they call

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GCHQ, who is UK's intelligent
and cybersecurity agency.

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They headhunt him and snag him
up.

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He becomes a communication
officer, quickly contributes his

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skills to cyber terrorism and
like he's very successful in

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what he's doing.
There's a, there was an event

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called the liquid bomb that
happened in London and he was

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the IT was a group of radicals
who were planning to detonate

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homemade explosive on planes by
using soft drinks.

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Do you wonder why you can't take
beverages through the security

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checkpoint?
You can't take ice though 'cause

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it's frozen.
Right, it's not a liquid.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's why.

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Well fuckers ruin.
Everything.

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They fucking ruin everything for
us.

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But he was critical to solving
that.

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So he's, you know, he's very
talented.

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Super talented, he's super
smart.

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It's not like he's just like
doing low level grunt work like

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this guy's like involved and.
He's super fit, spelt fit, hot.

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Yeah, I've seen pictures of him.
He wasn't like, like, oh, Yum,

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Yum.
But he wasn't ugly.

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Yeah, yeah, he's attractive,
slim man.

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Not necessarily James Bond, but
maybe James Bond like that.

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James Bond day, yes, so and I so
I haven't imagined this work was

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very stimulating and rewarding
to him.

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Like he's getting to use his
like intelligent brain.

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So he rents this apartment in
what they call Pimlico, I

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believe is the area 'cause it
was only a few 100 yards from MI

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6.
Like he was right there.

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Exactly.
Family says he never spoke about

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his job.
Neighbors say that he would.

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They would rarely see him.
His curtains were always closed.

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They would occasionally see him
'cause he was a an avid cyclist,

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so they would see him bicycling
occasionally or maybe from the

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grocery store or shopping or
something.

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But not wasn't chatty.
He wasn't, he wasn't the person

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that you were calling or.
Yeah.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.
Just minded his own business.

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Right.
Interesting.

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Now, because the popo can't find
any answers about, really, yeah,

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about what is going on, his
professional and his private

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life start to get really
scrutinized because now they're

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really starting to grasp.
Dude, a motherfucker is found in

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a goddamn in a duffel bag,
right?

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A red locked up duffel bag in
his in his bath.

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Yeah.
He works for my personalized.

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He like, he's like, he's like a
spy.

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Why would we not like we're like
sitting there thinking he's

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involved in all these like top
secret things like we can, you

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know, Yeah.
This shit should be scrutinized.

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Oh.
No, but there was a wig in it.

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There's a female wig in his
head.

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He must be a crossdresser.
Yeah, shut the fuck up, all of

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us.
Cross dressed and by the way,

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the key was found in the bag
underneath his body in the bag.

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Oh, he must have contorted
himself locked.

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Himself in and then contorted
himself in the back.

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Yeah, yeah, he was really into
contortion and and stuffing

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himself in a bag.
Oh, no, no, no.

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We're going to talk about they
believe this kind of thing.

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Yeah.
No, here, here.

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It's going to get crazy.
Because you have the squares of

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the squares, yes, who do not
have the.

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Right wing radicals.
Exactly.

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They're like, yes, oh it is
because of his sin he's living

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in exact girl.
All of us are living in sin and

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we love it.
Because the minute anyone does

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anything out of the conventional
norms.

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Yes, automatically.
That's that's why your life,

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that's why you were clearly
murdered in a fucking.

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That's why.
Duh.

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So I meant let's talk about the
physical evidence that they

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find.
OK, so upon his discovery his

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body is described as being in an
advanced state of decay, which

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was probably true is 'cause they
the apartment was heated.

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Oh, that's right, that's right,
'cause it was a warm day, but

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the radiator.
Was on and they said they think

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that the bag was in the tub for
a week.

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It could have been.
Well, at least a week, right?

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Right, because he's been gone a
week.

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Yes, at least.
So Gareth was 5-7 and as I

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mentioned, so contorted they
thought he was dismembered.

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Underneath his body.
They found the key to the lock

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that fit the bag lock.
There were no signs of struggle

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inside the bag, meaning like the
zippers weren't stretched.

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They couldn't find any, you
know, scratch marks in the bag

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like he was trying to get out.
Clearly he was dead beforehand

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or incapacitated.
Right.

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Couldn't find really any
bruising on his fingers or his

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body.
Pathologist determined there was

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a minor graze on his arm which
could have, you know, suggested

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attempts of getting out of the
bag, but it was purely

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speculative.
Right.

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No other injury, injuries on his
body, like there's no stabbing,

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no bludgeoning, no choking, no
broken bones, no signs of drugs

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or alcohol in his blood.
They tested for over 100

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poisons, none of them were
found.

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What the?
Fuck, they do admit that some of

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the poisons could have been not
showing up because of a body

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that has decayed and that long
right?

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Things like chloroform could
might not be detected.

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Even if he had been chloroformed
as an example, they wouldn't

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have necessarily found the
chloroform.

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OK, there were small traces of
DNA belonging to two separate

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people found on the zips and the
lock, but they couldn't identify

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any of.
Them wasn't enough.

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Oh my.
God.

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No Major signs of disturbance in
the apartment, The theft,

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burglary, no broken windows, no
damaged doors or locks, no

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forced entry outside the ensuite
in the main bedroom.

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The only irregularity was that
the duvet on the left side of

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the bed was like messy and
untidy.

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The rest of the apartment is
pretty tidy, but that corner of

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the bed was messy.
The second bedroom was also host

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to another North Face duffel
bag.

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God.
They spent a lot of money on

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these fucking duffel bags.
Closet in that Bedroom The

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closet in the bedroom contained
over $20,000 worth of designer

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women's clothing.
What the fuck?

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There were six unopened boxes of
brand new women's clothing.

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Downstairs, a green towel from
the bathroom was found on the

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kitchen floor containing DNA of
an unknown person.

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On the dining table, they found
that red wig and various makeup

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items.
OK, OK, I just have to ask the

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question.
I'm like, I'm like what can I

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ask it?
Did he have a girlfriend?

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No one knew of him having any
girlfriends.

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But no one knew that he didn't
have a girlfriend.

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No one.
Yeah, no one could say.

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No, he didn't.
That he was not like,

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romantically involved.
No one knew of any of saw him

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with a woman.
The dude is pretty secretive in

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general, right?
So would it be like nobody?

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No, no, none of his like, you
know, neighbors know shit about

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him, right?
You know, I'm sure he could find

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ways like to see like I'm sure
he pulls like crazy hours.

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So if he did have a girlfriend
who lived there occasionally or

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who would visit him, I'm sure
that it would not be abnormal

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for his neighbors to not know
who she was or whether or not

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she was there occasionally.
I suppose no one ever saw a

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woman.
And of course no one has a

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fucking ring door camera.
Exactly.

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OK, so but everything is
pointing towards, right?

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Either cross dress, he was a
fucking cross dresser, or he has

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someone that he's been seeing
and they might be in the same

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industry because we've heard of
shit like honey pots.

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Maybe, yes.
Well, sure.

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Who knows what spy shit he's
doing.

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Who knows?
Who knows?

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He's also 57 and like smaller
and cyclist body pretty spelt

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pretty narrow.
Yeah, I could go either way.

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I can go either way.
Let's.

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Keep going and we'll help you
decide.

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So of course there was the phone
and the SIM cards.

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Right there was that had been
factory reset.

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There was a weird newspaper clip
cut out that was on the table

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and the title of this newspaper
article was the top five Regrets

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of the Dying.
There was also other various

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letters and envelopes.
The front door had been double

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locked from the outside with a
key and I guess it was some It

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wasn't possible to lock the lock
from the inside due to the

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nature of this lock, you had to
do it on the outside with a key.

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Yeah.
As I mentioned, radiators were

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all turned up.
There were no footprints or

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fingerprints found anywhere,
including on or near the bag.

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And I'm going to leave a few
additional things out of this

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list and because I'm going to
mention them a little later in

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the story.
Yeah, OK.

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But that was the physical.
Evidence.

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I'm sorry, but this is it is way
too can sometimes.

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00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,920
OK, what is it like Occam's
razor?

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It's like the most simple answer
is obviously, dude works for the

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Secret Service, essentially the
CIA of England.

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He was involved in something
that went awry.

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He died somehow.
And they need to establish some

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kind of scenario, some reason.
Yeah.

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That he died, that does not
implicate active agents or the

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active investigation that
they're doing.

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I think that's the most simple
answer.

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Well, based on the physical
evidence alone, many people

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believed that, yeah, clear cut,
clear cut case of murder.

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Yes, murder like, like he, he
was killed.

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He was working on something.
I mean, even if you put aside

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all the oddities and the manager
in which he was found.

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He works.
For exactly.

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Like the CIA of London, he do
like like he works there.

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They have an entire fucking week
to stage and come up with a way

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to implicate him full.
Full on bond assassination

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doesn't mean that's what it
seems like on the surface.

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Honestly, I think that's the
simplest.

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That's the simplest.
Answer So while they're waiting

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for additional porous modem
tests, MI 6.

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Yeah.
The FBI, the United States FBI

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and Metro Police, they all come
together to try to figure out

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what what?
To figure out.

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00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,920
What we're air quoting if you
can't see.

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To figure understand better,
we're going to involve the FBI.

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00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,840
We we're going to do an
investigation.

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So all of you all shut the fuck
up.

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So here's the here's the
timeline leading up to his day

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off.
According to them.

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00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,880
Well, this is according OK, so
we're going to talk about this

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00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,880
too, but they're they have this
thing called and not an inquiry.

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00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,160
Some I can't remember what it's
called.

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I'll talk about it later.
It's an independent in London.

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They call them coroner's.
They're not coroner's like we

428
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,080
know them like body cut up
corners.

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The corners are like a
independent body of like lawyers

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and.
Private.

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Investigators and judges that do
these investigations, OK, so

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this is coming from them as well
as FBI, MI 6 and Metro Police.

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00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,320
Now we're going to we're going
to find out that things don't

434
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,480
match up between the two, but
that's that's going to kind of

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lead into our conspiracy.
I'm going to hear you out.

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00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,160
I'm going to.
Hear you out.

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00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,040
So the earliest state of
Garris's movement could be

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traced back to Wednesday the
11th, which was just shy of two

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00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,880
weeks prior to his discovery.
And on this day, he was

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returning to London from a trip
in from the United States.

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And it's still unclear why he
took this trip.

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Was it business or was it
pleasure?

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And it's ultimately discovered
that he and other Intel officers

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00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,840
were tasked with infiltrating
and reporting on hacking

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networks in both the United
States and in UK.

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And so they think that this trip
had something to do with that

447
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,200
investigation.
There are a lot of CCTV cameras

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that capture him a few days
later on Saturday the 14th where

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he was seen at at Holland Park
tube station and then again

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shopping Brompton Rd. the
following day shopping.

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Interesting.
And at 2:30 PM, he's seen

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00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,160
outside of Harrods department
store before heading to Dolce

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and Gabbana.
So he's buying, remember the

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boxes of unworn women's
clothing.

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I think this is this is when
he's buying these boxes, these

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clothes.
I think that's what those boxes

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are.
Also, he is intentionally being

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seen, like intentionally being
seen on like CCTV on camera.

459
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,200
I, you know, I love my rabbit
holes.

460
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,640
I have been following spies for
a very long time and one of the

461
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,800
tactics that they use, if they
feel like they have, they are

462
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:36,160
being watched or tracked.
What you try to do is be out in

463
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,720
public and, and you double check
whether or not you are being

464
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,440
followed.
If you are being followed, you

465
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,560
will know because people will
make themselves known.

466
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,000
You go outside of the norm that
you do.

467
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,760
So, so, so you have like a
normal thing that you do, you

468
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280
know, go to the seamstress, get
take something in from ending.

469
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Go to a grocery store, go go out
of your way to Dolce and

470
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,440
Gabbana, which you've never
fucking gone to before to see

471
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,720
whether or not you're getting
tracked.

472
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,800
You continue to do all these
things that make it look like

473
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,480
it's it's your norm, but if you
see the same people following

474
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,360
you around, you're able to see
what kind kind of folks are

475
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,280
actually.
He's a very, very intelligent

476
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,440
spot.
This is this.

477
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,160
This is.
I mean, these people know what

478
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,880
they're doing.
They know he knows what he's

479
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,320
doing and he's doing shit that
seems to be out of the norm.

480
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,440
Not but see that's the thing,
him buying these expensive

481
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,960
clothes were not out of the norm
if you look at his closet.

482
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,000
His male closet.
Man closet.

483
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Yes, his home closet that was
full of women's clothing.

484
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,480
So this not like this was an
unusual thing for him to go

485
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,120
shopping at Harrods or Dolce and
Gabbana.

486
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Like he's clearly done this
before.

487
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Maybe.
Maybe he has a slight build.

488
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,960
Maybe he just needs to.
OK, it's where Yeah, keep going,

489
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:04,640
keep listening.
OK, so this event, Dolce and

490
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,720
Gabbana thing, this was the last
confirmed sighting of Gareth.

491
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,960
Now, while it's the last
confirmed, it's not the last

492
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,800
reported sighting.
Final sighting on Thursday the

493
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,880
19th, the day before he was
found by the commissioner.

494
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,200
It's reported he was seen
visiting a drag show in the city

495
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,680
and they find tickets to two
more future drag shows in his

496
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,120
apartment.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

497
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,720
I have been to my fucking my
fair share of drag shows.

498
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:49,920
No let me get not just one but
two fucking like ticketed drag

499
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,800
shows to show like why?
I have Dolce and Gabbana in my

500
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,320
fucking closet.
Fuck you.

501
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
I have Prada in my God damn
closet and I always buy that

502
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,760
shit last minute.
This is this is bullshit.

503
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,720
Also, who wears Dolce and
Gabbana?

504
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,960
Even if you are a drag performer
and you're wearing a red wig,

505
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,840
who is wearing Dolce and Gabbana
for a drag show?

506
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,960
No one unless.
He's a performer.

507
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,480
No, no, yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get

508
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,320
like so angry about this.
Like Kevin and I both watch Ru

509
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Paul's Drag Race.
You are not doing death drops in

510
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,840
a in fucking Dolce and Cabana.
Maybe he was going to watch and

511
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,560
he wanted to look like an
elegant lady.

512
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:49,040
No, no, because money cannot buy
style like no, this is this is

513
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,080
some.
Fucking.

514
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,760
This smells.
Fishy.

515
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,280
Oh, we're not even done.
OK, continue.

516
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,040
So the postmortem.
The postmortem comes out a few

517
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,280
days later, outcome
inconclusive.

518
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Oh of.
Course they mentioned they find

519
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,440
no drugs, no poison, no alcohol,
no trauma.

520
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,600
OK, so here's kind of the
trigger warning.

521
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
And if you have claustrophobia,
hello husband.

522
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,600
Just think happy thoughts for a
quick second.

523
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,160
OK?
Just you're in a sky, open land,

524
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,320
blue sky bird.
Chirping.

525
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Whiffs of honeysuckle through
your nose.

526
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,680
OK.
They think that he is possibly

527
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,560
conscious when he entered the
bag and it was simply an act of

528
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,680
being trapped in there that led
to his demise.

529
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,960
And with the temperature of that
room, including the temperature

530
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,160
of that room being so high,
within 3 minutes of the the zip

531
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,800
being locked, the temperatures
inside would have been extremely

532
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,840
high.
Oxygen would have been depleted

533
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
quite quickly.
So they they assume he would

534
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,560
have just passed out and died
within 30 minutes.

535
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,200
Which if he was incapacitated
then that would make a lot of

536
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,320
sense.
So, investigators asked himself,

537
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640
did he do this to himself?
Fuck no.

538
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,080
They they need, they feel like
they they.

539
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,200
This is a valid question.
You should ask all questions.

540
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,120
I will give it to them.
Ask all the questions.

541
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760
I mean, was he trying to kill
himself?

542
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,200
Was this an experiment?
Was this a fetish?

543
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,600
If you aren't watching, Alicia's
eyes are going to roll out of

544
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,160
her head.
They're going to pop.

545
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Up does it any further now,
because the investigation takes

546
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
this dark turn.
Rumors of his sexuality and

547
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,600
sexual preferences start
circulating in the press.

548
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,880
And you know those fucking
London tabloids are the worst.

549
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,600
They're horrible.
I mean, you know, these

550
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,520
paparazzi and stuff like they
are they I.

551
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Mean we think.
We think the National Enquirer

552
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,840
is bad.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

553
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Nothing compared to, like, you
know, Harry.

554
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400
Harry and Megan, they both left
because Megan was, like, wanting

555
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,280
to kill herself.
Yeah.

556
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Like, you know, she ruthless.
They're ruthless.

557
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,320
They will pick up anything that
is said or done.

558
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,160
And if they like, they are not
afraid.

559
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,560
They don't have the same like,
laws.

560
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,440
You can't sue people like you
can here in the United States.

561
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:32,960
They made headlines like Bondage
Clue to spy death and MI6 spy

562
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,040
death sex game gone wrong Oh.
My.

563
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,240
God and spy found in Holdall
visited bondage websites.

564
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Will it get clicks?
Yes.

565
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040
Will someone buy that, you know,
shitty rag?

566
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,240
Yes, clearly.
OK.

567
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,120
I have a question.
Was he, was he known at least in

568
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,600
alternative lifestyle world like
was he?

569
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,160
They, they couldn't find anyone
to confirm if he did drag.

570
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,120
I mean, there was no one that
came out and said, Oh yeah, she

571
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,480
was my sister.
We did drag or yeah, he always

572
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,440
visited, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

573
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,719
And I'm sure drag is not quiet,
so it's not like.

574
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Well, and if he was, you know, I
can kind of see someone trying

575
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,360
to do this in secret, especially
if he wasn't comfortable with

576
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,320
it, comfortable with his
sexuality for whatever reason,

577
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,159
with himself, with himself very
introverted and he felt

578
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,639
comfortable addressing in
women's clothes doing it in

579
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,520
secret.
I mean, I can see that from a

580
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,000
humanity just plausibility
perspective.

581
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,719
I don't know, it just doesn't
quite fit, no with the whole

582
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,719
overall story.
You know what I mean?

583
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,239
It's almost a little too easy or
something.

584
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,800
I don't think it can be that
black and white.

585
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520
I guess that's what I'm saying,
all right.

586
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,440
And the reports in these papers
suggest evidence of S&M

587
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:04,880
paraphernalia and Class A drugs
and male escort usage, all found

588
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,720
at the property.
I mean these.

589
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,400
Remember, these are tabloids.
Right.

590
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,040
It's because there's a fucking
like there was a lock on a gym

591
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,120
bag.
Right.

592
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,360
Exactly.
And no, no, it's because they

593
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,280
found makeup, wig and women's
clothes that was the key.

594
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,320
To.
Him being S&M and bondage and

595
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,480
that's what took him bare.
Which is, that pisses me off.

596
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,480
It's so, yeah, if you've known
anyone who's like in that world,

597
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,240
not S&M and bondage.
One does not equal the.

598
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Other no, no, no, no.
In fact, it could quite honestly

599
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480
be the exact opposite.
Like that's not like, just

600
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,640
because you like a little Rep
does not mean you're going to

601
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,720
wear.
Just because I'm a white

602
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,800
Christian churchgoer doesn't
mean I don't like to get tied up

603
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,520
with leather for my husband.
Yeah, or choked a little bit.

604
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,120
Come on.
Please, please God it pisses me

605
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,400
off.
So stupid and and you know, of

606
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,720
course, it makes life a lot, a
lot easier if you say, well, if

607
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:06,440
they're into this, then clearly
you can, you can make this leap

608
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,600
or thought process so dumb.
So later police say that this

609
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,680
was all fabricated.
Thank you.

610
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,720
Yeah, of course.
But confirmed that searches for

611
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,800
bondage and S&M existed in his
browser history.

612
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,400
Maybe.
Sure.

613
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,480
OK, even if it did, so fucking
what?

614
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,040
Who cares like we?
All have nothing to do with

615
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,440
being no crammed into a fucking
bag.

616
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Yeah, being.
Clearly murdered.

617
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,320
And when they combine that with
the with the wig and the makeup

618
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,480
and the women's, he must have
been a secret transvestite

619
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,560
homosexual that was attempting
asphyxiation.

620
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,840
I mean, doesn't that make sense?
Yeah, no.

621
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,080
And actually, no it doesn't.
It makes zero sense.

622
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,840
Like none of this makes sense,
right?

623
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,880
Was it a nice wig?
Yeah, that's what I want to

624
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,520
know.
Was it this friend?

625
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,800
Yeah.
What was it?

626
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,640
My guess is if he was literally,
legitimately was buying those

627
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,120
clothes, I think it was probably
a nice wig.

628
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,320
Yeah, yeah.
If he was buying Dolce and

629
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,960
Giovanni, yeah, yeah.
OK, so maybe he did like drag.

630
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Let's just say, hypothetically,
he did like drag.

631
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,800
Let's just say that he did.
Yeah, it's entertaining.

632
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,040
And he liked gay bars.
Yeah, cheap drinks.

633
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,040
What in the M&F in hell does
that have to do with the price

634
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520
of rice in China?
It has nothing to do with

635
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,600
anything.
No, nothing.

636
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
It has nothing to do with the
fact that he was found in a

637
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:41,720
fucking, you know, a duffel bag
locked in like dead.

638
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,640
That has nothing to do with
anything.

639
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Like he's still a human being
who clearly.

640
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Like I said, it's it's these,
and I hate to use it, these

641
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,000
right wing extremists who are
just, again, if you're outside

642
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,400
of my little white norm, then
you must be a, a sadomasochist.

643
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Yes, yes, yeah.
If I don't know what it is, it

644
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,960
must be the worst possible
scenario.

645
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,840
Exactly.
So his previous landlady comes

646
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,400
forward and confirms his
interest in bondage.

647
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Which?
Just which just adds more fuel

648
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,680
to this ridiculous fire.
Oh, of course, of course, he

649
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,920
whips me her eyes so.
Here's what she says.

650
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:32,640
OK, She recalls how she hears
Gareth calling for help.

651
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:41,280
She comes into his room, he's
half naked, tied up to the bed

652
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:49,040
and he says quote.
Just wanted to see if I could

653
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,920
get myself free.
WHO reported.

654
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:01,640
This the landlady.
But which newspaper report?

655
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,240
Yeah, that I don't know.
That's.

656
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,800
I mean, that's a valid question.
That that's a valid question.

657
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,280
But investigators say, see, this
is just, this is more proof he

658
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,720
likes dressing up in women's
clothes and asphyxiation and

659
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,880
bondage and S&M, and he did it
to himself.

660
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,080
Such bullshit.
So it also.

661
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,960
Becomes known and confirmed that
Gareth had attended 2 fashion

662
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,920
design courses in 2009 and 2010
and shop owners confirmed that

663
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:38,240
he stated he was buying the
clothes for his girlfriend so.

664
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,160
So he said he's buying it for
his girlfriend and.

665
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,600
And.
Maybe he's like, like, there are

666
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,120
plenty of men who are into
clothes.

667
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,280
They like, like dressing women
up.

668
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,680
They like dressing up
themselves.

669
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,680
But you know, I'm sorry about
women's, women's cloth things

670
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,200
like way more interesting.
I still don't know what this has

671
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,560
to do with anything.
Yeah, but they're making catch.

672
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,480
A big deal about it.
You, like you guys, should be

673
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,280
looking at the fact that he
works for the intelligence

674
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,880
agency and is dead in a fucking
duffel bag.

675
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,080
Yes, yeah, that he's locked in a
bag that he couldn't move, but

676
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,400
there's a key in it, I mean.
At the bottom, At the bottom of

677
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,880
his body.
Yeah, this isn't.

678
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Fucked, it's fucked.
So they're still not convinced

679
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,360
that he didn't do this to
himself.

680
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,680
And so they go and buy a bag.
An identical bag.

681
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,200
And they go to find a
contortionist.

682
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,600
Yes.
Shut up, Shut the fuck up.

683
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:51,320
Tried over 300 times to do to
try to get themselves in the bag

684
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,720
and lock it.
No.

685
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,000
Couldn't do it.
Yeah, because it doesn't.

686
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Because it can't fucking.
Happen yeah stopping like these

687
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,040
are clearly people who are
biased and being like incredibly

688
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,440
like like profiling yes someone
because they come up with yes

689
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,360
because.
They think they're cross

690
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,720
dressers.
They think they're cross dress

691
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,840
dresser gay, like whatever.
It's like clearly like a

692
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,640
homophobia.
It's clearly like a judgement

693
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,160
call Totally that they don't
deserve the same amount of work

694
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,080
or this is so fucking stupid.
Like get with the new century.

695
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,800
You guys are idiots.
Exactly.

696
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,880
So as I mentioned before,
cyanide, chloroform, anesthetic,

697
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,240
all of those would have not been
detectable when carrying out

698
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,840
that post mortem.
So this could explain his lack

699
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,040
of resistance.
In the bag.

700
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,960
And what about gunpoint?
What if someone came in there,

701
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,560
threatened his sister, whom, by
the way, we're very close?

702
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,400
Oh yeah, her life.
At gunpoint, you don't think

703
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,760
that he was going to do
something to save his sister?

704
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Of course he's going to.
And remember, there were no

705
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,360
footprints or fingerprints
anywhere, leaving anyone with a

706
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,600
common sense to me.
They were wiped.

707
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,760
Up and it's all it's all trace
yeah DNA stuff so it's like it

708
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600
clearly it's locked from the
inside.

709
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,000
This is like textbook
intelligence killing.

710
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,320
This is textbook CIA murder.
This is textbook.

711
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,640
It's not even done well to make
people think that it wasn't

712
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,360
himself because all of the the
bag being locked on the outside,

713
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,240
the door being locked, like all
these things like if shouldn't

714
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,800
have happened because in my
mind, if I wanted to make this

715
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,600
look like he killed himself, it
wouldn't have been that way

716
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,360
because this.
Is.

717
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,480
AB be.
Us.

718
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,320
It's so obvious.
It's so obvious, like, like it's

719
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,760
almost like it.
I call me crazy.

720
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,280
This seems like a message.
It is.

721
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,880
This is not a message for the
family.

722
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,720
This is not a message for this
is a message for the employer or

723
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,680
for he could have been a double
agent.

724
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,920
There are plenty of those.
They're like, there's so much

725
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,160
that this he was clearly working
on very strategic important

726
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,400
cases.
So it's it's a message.

727
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Hey, look, we know what you did.
He's just a person.

728
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,320
We're going to kill him.
Exactly.

729
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,160
And this guy, like,
unfortunately, Gareth was in

730
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
that world.
A few months after the

731
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,440
investigation, police released
what they call an E fit.

732
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,760
And an E fit in London is an
electronic facial identification

733
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,240
technique.
It's like a sketch artist,

734
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:47,400
except it's digital.
Oh, OK.

735
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,640
And they released this E fit
based on some information that

736
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,880
they find.
And this E fit is of a couple

737
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,040
that they believe visited the
home in the months prior to his

738
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,440
death.
I can see that.

739
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,800
And it turns out after being LED
into the apartment by a tenant

740
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,000
in late June, they explained to
this tenant that they have keys

741
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,640
to Gareth's apartment and that
they're there to see someone

742
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,600
named Pierre Paulo.
And the tenant sees them make

743
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,520
their way up to the top floor.
And then that's the last that

744
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,520
they ever see of them.
This is in late June now.

745
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,240
If he's that recluse, someone
has keys.

746
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,240
That's fishy.
It's super, it's super fishy.

747
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,600
Also, can we talk about Pierre
by?

748
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,120
The way was Pierre a real
person?

749
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,800
Was it?
Was it Gareth's?

750
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,800
Secret identity.
It could be.

751
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,840
It could be.
Also what a what a fucking fake

752
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,080
sounding name.
It sounds.

753
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,480
It sounds fake as fuck.
It's like my name's John Smith.

754
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,880
You're like, yeah, I'm sure it's
John Smith.

755
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,320
Like that just sounds fake.
So no information has since been

756
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,040
discovered about this couple.
Nothing could be traced to them

757
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,880
like that.
Kind of turned in to be nothing.

758
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,760
This was like right before he
went to the US, right?

759
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,560
Yeah, yes, convenient.
Maybe he was in the US.

760
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,160
Oh, he could have been in the US
at that time.

761
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,720
Maybe inquest.
That word I was looking for

762
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,840
before is called inquest.
Yes, that's right.

763
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,960
Yeah.
So it takes place in the

764
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,360
following months where coroners,
again, I explained what coroners

765
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,960
are in London provide.
They provide statements and

766
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,760
they're finding, getting
testimony.

767
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,080
And at this point, this is where
the case gets even crazier

768
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,560
because we start really seeing
where all of these failures take

769
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,320
place, not only from his, their
employer, his employer, but the

770
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,080
investigation itself, which
creates this even bigger

771
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,160
conspiracy.
So there's over 40 officers

772
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,240
working for intelligence
services.

773
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,920
We were interviewed for this OK
MI 6, the GCHQ where he was

774
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,680
initially hired.
There was this the one question

775
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,400
that stood out from all the
others.

776
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Was due for work on Monday.
The 16th.

777
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,520
Yet he was AWOL for an entire
week.

778
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,320
He missed three critical
meetings where his absence would

779
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,760
have been absolutely noticed,
yet no alarm bells were raised.

780
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,960
And it was only when, like I
said, when his sister called

781
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,000
work asking about his
whereabouts, when they asked his

782
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,640
line manager about this and they
I questioned him that with this.

783
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,280
Exact same question.
And I plead the fifth No, no,

784
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,480
no.
He says.

785
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,400
You're going to shit your pants.
Shut up, he says.

786
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,800
Oh, I just thought he was.
Stuck on a train?

787
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,280
For.
A week and in hindsight.

788
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Knowing what I know now, I
probably should have taken

789
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,200
action.
That is such a bullshit.

790
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Answer right, isn't it?
Stuck on a train for a week.

791
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,080
Yeah, yeah.
No, no.

792
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,440
I just thought he was.
Like stuck on some.

793
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,200
Train OK bitch, we see you like
like could you come up with

794
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,320
something a little bit better
yeah you needed to plan better

795
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,640
this but this is.
Also what I think I think.

796
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,720
That sometimes, like agents will
say things that make zero sense

797
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,120
and it's like, pay more
attention to this.

798
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,160
Like clearly if his manager is
saying something like that, it's

799
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,880
like, you know my answer is
bullshit, right?

800
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,760
Like maybe I'm saying.
Something I'm I'm trying to tell

801
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,680
you to look.
Deeper, That's a.

802
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,320
That's a good point.
That's a great point.

803
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,880
These are intelligent people.
So talking about incompetence?

804
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,040
And derelicts DNA found on
Gareth's hand was considered a

805
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,200
lead, but after further
investigation it was determined

806
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,400
that it was discovered to belong
to one of the investigators and

807
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,280
was labeled incorrectly.
So you're saying that an

808
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,880
investigator like?
Touched the body.

809
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,440
Uh huh.
That's what I think.

810
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Happened OK.
Forensics were unable to examine

811
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,040
the front door of the apartment
because it had been unexplicitly

812
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,960
removed from the frame along
with the lock.

813
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Which lock?
Oh, the lock of the front door.

814
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,400
OK, not the lot padlock on the
right.

815
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,880
They never found it again.
Oh, of course.

816
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,200
They didn't, the inquest team
learned.

817
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,880
Just two days.
Before its conclusion that 9 USB

818
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,800
memory sticks were found in
Garrett's office and were being

819
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:47,160
held by MI 6 and they just went
oh sorry for that, oops oopsie

820
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,240
sorry.
Mistake outside of the.

821
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,120
Hearing the family and the
lawyers, courts right, are

822
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,480
thinking that this was clearly
Secret Service.

823
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,840
I mean this was CI this.
Was spy shit.

824
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,320
This is so obviously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

825
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,760
The.
Police find and scour his diary

826
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,360
and they find this mysterious
handwritten phrase inside of his

827
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,560
diary and they are convinced.
It is a.

828
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,680
Code that they're not.
They're not sure how they're

829
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,840
going to break this code, but
they're certain it has

830
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,760
everything to do with his
disappearance.

831
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Oh my God, they spend all of.
This energy and.

832
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Focus and attention around this
unbreakable code.

833
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Turned out that it was him
writing in his diary in Welsh

834
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,480
about a mountain that he was
going to go hike.

835
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,040
I was going to say, did he say
if you?

836
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Can't love yourself at all.
You don't love anybody else.

837
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,560
What he was training, he was
training for and plus he was

838
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,680
training.
For this marathon, he's a very

839
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
active dude, very athletic.
Right.

840
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,960
And it turned out that it was
just jumbled letters, scrawl

841
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,200
unclear writing in Welsh.
It wasn't this some unfreaking

842
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,640
breakable code that they were
spazzing about and that they

843
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,480
found in his diary.
It's like red herring.

844
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,840
This is all it's all red
herrings.

845
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,000
It's a.
Series of like leading leading

846
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,560
this inquisition into a like on
a wild goose chase.

847
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,640
So 3.
Years later, despite the inquest

848
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,200
concluding that this was a
murder.

849
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,440
The police concluded.
It was likely he died.

850
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,080
Alone and.
Was nothing more than a tragic

851
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,960
accident believing he put
himself in that bag.

852
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,360
By the way, without.
Touching the rim.

853
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,680
Of the bathtub or having
fingerprints on the bad luck or

854
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,320
on the bag without having DNA in
your own.

855
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Home, anywhere, and he locked
himself in the house.

856
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,920
From the outside, right?
Right.

857
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,920
So.
Who do you think?

858
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,480
Is inside can be easily put in
someones back pocket.

859
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,240
The coroners or the police for
sure.

860
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,120
The police, Yeah, yeah.
For sure the police this is like

861
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,400
this stinks to high heaven.
This stinks to high heaven.

862
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,960
And you know what?
I feel so bad for Gareth's

863
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,640
sister who like you know, they
had a very do you imagine how

864
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,040
frustrated you would be?
Well.

865
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,920
You're seeing your your your
sibling like being trashed.

866
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,080
Trashed in the.
Newspaper, you're still.

867
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,480
Grieving like you're, you're
just trying to find an answer.

868
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,240
You know that like he's involved
in things like that are

869
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,440
dangerous.
And clearly something's gone

870
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,320
amiss.
Yes.

871
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,040
And Oh my.
God, terrible.

872
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,200
So.
As the time of his death, 14

873
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,040
other intelligent agents or
Russian defectors have been

874
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,960
assassinated in Great Britain,
one of which was a.

875
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,280
Man named.
Alexander the living?

876
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,440
No.
Oh, I can't say his name living

877
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,880
in Yaako.
No, you know who it is.

878
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,640
He was the guy that was the
former KB A/B, A agent that fled

879
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,240
and KGB like was and was.
Claiming corruption.

880
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,240
Against the Kremlin.
And then he got poisoned through

881
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,120
radiation in his tea.
Do you remember him?

882
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,160
Yes.
Yes, he was.

883
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,400
He was.
One of them.

884
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,840
He was one of the 14, so so I
mean.

885
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,680
We hear of this.
Shit happening all the time, all

886
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,840
the time, all the time and.
And he was also investigating

887
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,360
how the Russian mafia were
laundering money in the UK.

888
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,080
Yeah.
And we know, we know.

889
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,840
That Russia assassins people?
Easy.

890
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:04,880
They don't.
They have.

891
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,520
They do it.
Let's just, let's just speak

892
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,520
from like from shit that we can
say is well documented.

893
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,080
World War One and World War 2.
They don't give two fucks about

894
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,640
human life.
It is not important.

895
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,000
It's not about that.
It does not.

896
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,080
It does not matter.
We will win.

897
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,520
We are going to win by any means
necessary.

898
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,920
So a theory was it's not
unreasonable.

899
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,000
To believe that a day after
shopping on Sunday that he was

900
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
blindsided by a couple of
Russian agents, let's say at

901
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,480
gunpoint, coerced into his flat
which required no force entry,

902
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,720
interrogate him about what he
knows about racketeering and

903
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:44,360
force him to wipe his phone.
They chloroform him, put him in

904
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,800
the bag in the bathtub, careful
not to, you know, cause any

905
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,760
damage on his body.
You know, they put the key in

906
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
the bag to make it look like he
maybe tried to lock himself in

907
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,160
it.
Clearly there was a second key.

908
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,880
There's always 2 keys with those
little fucking locks.

909
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,520
They clean the apartment, set it
up to look like confusion and

910
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,320
all these red herrings, crank up
the heat to accelerate the

911
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,880
decomp, leave and lock the
fucking door with a key.

912
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,840
Yeah, why is that hard to
believe?

913
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,240
It's not hard to believe at all.
And in fact, it makes so much

914
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,120
sense because then the Russians
are like, we know.

915
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:25,080
Hey, hey, MI 5, we know exactly
what you're studying right now.

916
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,680
Fuck you.
Stop.

917
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,640
This is a message.
Yep.

918
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,280
We see you.
Yep.

919
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,440
What do you think?
Happened.

920
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,400
So it.
Has to be something related.

921
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,920
To his work 100% I like.
We will never know.

922
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,560
What he was involved with, I
think it's just obvious that he

923
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,880
was assassinated.
And I liked your idea, which I

924
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,200
never thought about that it was
some sort of message, like maybe

925
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,720
being in a bag meant something
or, you know, I don't know, the

926
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,600
women's wig or what clothes
meant something.

927
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Maybe not.
Maybe you.

928
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,280
Maybe he did like to do drag.
I'll again, I think that has

929
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,560
nothing to do with anything.
And no, like honestly I'd

930
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,160
probably.
Like Gareth more if he likes.

931
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,800
Yeah, like.
Like, hey, it shows that you're

932
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,040
like an.
Interesting person.

933
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,200
And you're not just like a, you
know, someone who just sits in

934
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,240
front of their computer every
day, right?

935
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:23,960
But you know, I would almost
think it could be more than one

936
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,360
thing, right?
Like it could be a message from

937
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,200
the Russians.
MI5 found out that this is what

938
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,240
happened.
They needed to hide because he

939
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,880
was involved in something that
was very serious, like a very

940
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,880
special project.
So they almost worked to cover

941
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,760
up, like they know what the
message was, but they worked to

942
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,040
maybe.
He busted them.

943
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,480
Laundering money.
Carrying the money in a red bag,

944
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,880
that kind of thing.
It's just the the physical

945
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,680
evidence and how he was murdered
is just too crazy.

946
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,600
It's too.
It's way too crazy.

947
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,480
That like no one would believe
that like why not just like why

948
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,960
not just put a noose around his
neck and like claiming erotic

949
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,480
asphyxiation exactly easy a belt
around the the.

950
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,680
Post of a bad or something Yeah,
so much easier, so much easier

951
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,840
there's.
So much more to this.

952
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,800
Yeah, that is wild.
Fascinating, right?

953
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,440
I have never heard of that
story.

954
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,280
And you know what?
Poor Gareth, poor his, poor his

955
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,280
sister.
Yeah, sad.

956
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,320
It's.
Really sad and also.

957
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:35,720
Don't trust anyone, they all
want to change your opinion or

958
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,800
put you into a different like,
you know, headspace.

959
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,880
Don't trust anything you believe
or anything that's like written

960
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,720
down.
No, no, it's all bullshit.

961
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,000
Yes.
Clearly, unless it.

962
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,040
Comes from us and I'm just
kidding.

963
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,720
Exactly.
Unless it comes from us and then

964
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:50,960
totally believe.
It Yeah.

965
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,920
Believe everything we say.
You can only trust.

966
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:54,280
Us.
Oh my.

967
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,720
God, what a great story and
listener, thank you so much for

968
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,800
like bringing up that story.
That's such a great one.

969
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,160
It was a good one.
I'm so glad to do it.

970
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,560
Yeah.
All right.

971
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Cool.
Well, then we'll see you.

972
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,560
In.
A little little few weeks or so.

973
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,320
OK, couple weeks sounds great.
See ya.

974
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,360
See ya.
Bye.