North Korea - Shocking secrets of the world’s most recluse country.

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Hello, bizarre story of friends.
You've tuned into the Bizarre

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I'm Kevin.
I'm going to be your host for

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today's episode.
And as always, we ask that you

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please keep an open mind, keep a
skeptical ear, but keep

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listening to those facts as we
take you on our newest journey.

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North Korea, the shocking goings
on within the world's most

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recluse country.
Well, hello my bizarre story

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friends.
Please let me welcome my Co

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Hostess with the mostess,
Alicia.

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Hey girl.
Hey boy, how?

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that shift was like.
A killer.

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It was horrible.
Yeah, it was.

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This year it was horrible,
horrible.

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Horrible.
I think it gets worse and worse

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for me every year.
Yeah, that's what we're talking

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about.
There's like, there's like AI

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was telling you yesterday,
there's like a little conspiracy

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theory that people are like,
they actually took more time

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from us.
They took more time from.

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Us, they, those people now, the
shadow government and, you know,

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one world.
I mean, come on, we're in the

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space where you listen to all of
it.

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But yeah, so.
So they're saying, yeah, that

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that it was more time.
And everyone I've spoken to is

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like, yeah, that was like the
time shift was really hard this

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year.
It seemed like like it was like

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2 hours.
They need to stop the

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shenanigans.
That makes 0.

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Sense.
Stop it.

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Yeah, just stop it.
So what do you think of when I

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say North Korea?
What comes to your mind?

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I think of dictatorship like
people who are brainwashed and

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brainwashed into thinking like
their leader is a God, like

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literally a God and like they
are descended from gods.

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I think of children and and
families who are starving and

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this idea of everything being
equal and it's really just Gray

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and sex.
Well, you've you've hit the nail

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on the head.
We're going to talk about all of

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those things, but I bet you
didn't know that the biggest

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driving force behind our money
redesign was because of North.

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Korea didn't know that at all.
Didn't know that.

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They influenced us, huh?
Oh yeah, and we're going to talk

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about that.
OK, So have you ever heard

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Alicia of the Pink Lady?
North Korean's Pink Lady?

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I was thinking the apple or like
the grease pink ladies.

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No, no, no, this is North
Korea's Pink Lady.

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No, I haven't.
I would bet if you saw a news

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broadcast from North Korea, you
would go, Oh, yeah, I've seen

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her before because she's the
news anchor for North Korea's

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state television, and she is the
most famous anchor there.

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When people would get wind that
she was coming on the air,

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people would gather around the
TV because they knew it was

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going to be some big
announcement.

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And what she wears is they call
her that because she wears that

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traditional Korean dress.
Yes, but it's hot pink.

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It's hot pink hot.
Pink.

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It's like pink pink.
And she wears this for special

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news announcements.
And I know if you see it, you'll

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go.
Yeah, I've seen her before.

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I've totally seen her before.
Yeah.

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You have to look her out, Look
her.

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Out so all this this happens
because she delivers the special

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announcement in April 2009 and
people are gathering around

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their television because they
know the pink lady's come and

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she tells everyone that they
have successfully launched a

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long range rocket to send
satellites into space which then

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turns into another launch and
another and another again and

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again and again and again and
again.

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Now, North Korea insists that
these launches are peaceful,

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that they're just scientific
explorations.

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But each time the missiles get
closer and closer and closer to

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their sworn enemy, which is the
United States of America, and

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the and more lethal, their
potential effect of these

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missiles get right each time.
So with every missile launch and

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nuclear test, North Korea begets
more isolated because every time

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they do that, it's another round
of sanctions, right, Especially

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financial ones.
And so the country becomes more

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and more shut off from the
world's economy.

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It can't borrow money on the
international financial market

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again, because of these these
sanctions.

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And so North Korea gets in this
loop.

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Missile tests equal sanctions,
sanctions equals no income for

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the country.
But then yet they go and spend

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money on missiles, which means
more sanctions, which means less

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money.
So how in the F are they

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building these missiles and
these nuclear warheads?

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This becomes.
Yeah, they have less like if

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they're able to, to do this,
they need some kind of out

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outside income.
Source They need yes, they need

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Mullah.
And so they're total near total

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bankruptcy.
So the US is going where in the

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F?
How are they doing this?

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And whenever you see official
news footage in North Korea, it

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always seems to show like
overflowing supermarkets and

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everyone prospering.
Yet you and I both know that

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they're starving to death.
Right, like they show really,

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really fit looking people and.
Yes, happy and thriving.

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Happy, yeah, Happy to be there.
A family unit that's really

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connected.
And they're just.

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Yeah, they're just thriving
under this, Yes.

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You know, fake facade.
Yeah, yes, it's it's

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heartbreaking.
And so then you go, well, why

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can't the country afford to feed
them?

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They're building all these
missiles and all this getting

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all this money, but they can't
afford to feed their people.

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Like what's happening to a
thermal money?

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So as we like to do here at The
Bizarre AF, we have to go back

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into history a little bit to
kind of figure out where we are

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today.
Yes, so.

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We're going to go back to April
15th of 1945 and they call it VJ

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Day and the Koreans call it
Liberation Day, and that's the

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day that the Emperor emperor was
announcing Japan's surrender.

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After 40 years of Japan's
domination, Korea makes this

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start to kind of go back into
independence, right?

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OK, from Japan.
A few days after Japanese leave,

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the Soviets arrive in Korea, and
then within a few weeks

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Americans arrive in Korea.
Eventually, the Soviets and

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Americans agreed to divide Korea
right at the 38th parallel, and

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so that's how we get North Korea
and South Korea.

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And the demilitarized.
And that little gap between the

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two right on the 38th parallel.
So the Soviets installed.

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This guy is a young guy, a
Korean.

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He was a Marxist.
He was named Kim Illinois Sung

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in Pyongyang, Pyongyang.
And in 48, he founded the

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Democratic Public's, excuse me,
the Democratic People's Republic

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of Korea or DPRK, otherwise
known as North Korea.

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So Kim wants to, he really wants
to reunify Korea.

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He wants South Korea, North
Korea to become Korea again.

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Yeah, yeah.
And with the permissions of the

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Soviets, he launches a surprise
attack on Seoul in June of 1950,

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sending millions of Koreans
fleeing South.

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And this war for control of the
Korean Peninsula goes on for

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three years.
And then Chinese troops join the

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North Korean side, right?
Because we know the Chinese are

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communists.
And then the UN troops led by

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the United States joins the
South side.

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OK.
And so finally, after millions

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of deaths and bombings, the left
Korea in complete ruins.

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They call it truce.
South Korea rebuilds with the

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Western help.
North Korea rebuilds with the

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Eastern Bloc and Soviet Union.
In the early 90s, things start

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to fall apart from North Korea
because we all know what happens

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to the Soviet Union collapses,
meaning North Korea loses its

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biggest backer and all the
connections that obviously come

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with having being friends with
the Soviet Union and the Eastern

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Bloc, right?
So Kim Illinois Sung dies of a

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heart attack in 94 and just as
his Sung, Kim Jong Illinois

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comes to power, things get a lot
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They're hit by extreme weather.
So floods, droughts, wipe out

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the farms, leads to complete
devastation.

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Famine like the worst famine
like in the.

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World.
Oh my God.

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Like even beyond Ethiopia, I
mean, it was like hardcore.

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They still don't know how many
people died as a result of that

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famine, but they're people put
it anywhere from the range of 2

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million to higher.
Oh my God.

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And with a population of 20
million people, that's one in 10

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people.
Yeah, that died from.

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That died from famine.
God, Well, yeah.

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And then, like, and their leader
dies and they're like, yes, all

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of this, like, yeah, yeah.
Especially like, if I were

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looking at that, I'd be like, Oh
my God, maybe he was protecting

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us or something, right.
Like, like, you have to think

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something's up.
You're like, there's something

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wrong with this.
Exactly.

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Yeah, exactly right.
They lose faith, basically.

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Of course, yes, yeah, One in 10
people like, you know, you

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personally know so many people
have died.

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And so there's all this
speculation about whether Kim

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Jong Illinois is losing grip on
power.

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Makes him realize I got to do
something.

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Yeah, definitely.
He needs to let.

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He needs to become this savior.
Yeah, right.

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He needs to get people to
believe that like you said

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before, that he is for lack of a
better term, their God.

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Like without him, they will
continue to head out.

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Right.
I mean, what is like the one way

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that you can, well, you can
unite people against a common

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enemy, or you can have people
unite against something that is

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going to take care of them and
save them.

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Exactly.
So instead of going, let's see,

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let's let's get people
prosperous, let's help them

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build farms, let's get them fed.
Let's create this economy where

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everyone can thrive.
And then they know that I, they

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can depend on me.
Yes.

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No, instead this little
motherfucker goes, hmm, let's

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see, I'm going to build a shit
ton of weapons, and then I'm

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going to provoke the United
States because they are the

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worst people in the world,
right, Because they broke up our

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country.
And then I'm going to convince

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the people that without me and
my military and my scary

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weapons, that they're all going
to die.

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That's the one I'm going to do.
Yeah.

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That's the choice I'm going to
make.

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Like, let's be honest, OK, If we
go back to like the 1940s, when

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you were telling me the North
Korea guy wants to go and take

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over South Korea or wants to
unify them, I'm like, did he

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just ask?
Right.

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Did we have a discussion about
that?

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Did.
We just like ask whether or not

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that would be OK or hey, it
makes more sense for us to be 1

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country.
Why don't we just like look at

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what that looks like.
We're an island.

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Yeah, let's just like you're out
what that looks like.

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No, what did he do?
He just like tries to bomb them.

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Yeah.
Let me make the most the most

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sense.
But but once again, this is

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something that comes up in our
podcast often.

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It's like people want power.
If he were to unify and just be

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like, let's try to work together
to make this happen.

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Well, he might lose power and
all of his cronies might lose

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power.
And then same thing with them.

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It's like, you know, they're no
better.

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Like they they would lose power
and maybe they would have to

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like meet halfway and have, you
know, partial communist, like,

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you know, government.
I get it.

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I totally get it.
But also, it's like you guys are

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all fucking Koreans.
Exactly.

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You're not North Korean, you're
Korean.

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Exactly same language.
It's not like Chinese, American

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or Russian and French.
It's like you are literally the

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same people.
You're the, you're the same, you

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speak the same language.
You, you have the same, like,

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you know, culture.
What the hell, people?

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Nuts.
So 1998 at the height of

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complete famine is people
starving due to their extreme

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lack of money.
He builds this arsenal that he

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wants and it works.
It's kind of like, you see,

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you're all starving in famine
because of the United States.

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And these, these weapons that
I'm firing, it's protecting us

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from the complete enemy that
they're being, like you said

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before, brainwashed into
believing or the total cause of

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how they Live Today.
Yeah.

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They know no different.
They can.

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They cannot know any different.
No, we, you know, we talk about

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it now like you have propaganda.
It's called propaganda, right?

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Right, like we get propaganda.
We get prop.

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We get propaganda.
We.

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Get the benefit of being able to
check it.

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Right, right.
We also have, you know,

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Beyoncé's Internet that we can
check, that we can check things

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on, like we can look at it and
like say, oh, hey, is this

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actual?
Is this factual?

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Right?
You know, we have multiple

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sources that we can pull from.
Of course, everything has an

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angle, but propaganda is
propaganda.

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And for us to sit here and think
that we are so different from

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North Koreans, Right?
Right.

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We were just talking about a
news story and you're like, oh,

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I haven't even heard of that
one.

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I'm like.
Right, exactly because what I

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watched chose to not tell me.
Yes, exactly, exactly.

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So although like it's very easy
for us to like think that like N

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Koreans are different like their
culture or whatever, it's like

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we are very similar and we're
not so far removed from this

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world.
Nope, exactly.

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But yeah, of course they're not
going to know like that what

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he's saying is incorrect because
they don't see it.

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They're.
Only allowed to see it.

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Yeah, they have.
State.

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They have state.
Run television, no Internet.

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No Internet?
Uh huh.

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My God.
So.

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So again, all Kim has to do is
have his little pink lady tell

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everyone how he just protected
them from that last missile

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launch.
They don't know any different.

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Yeah.
Right.

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Yeah, and like I said before,
when Pink Lady talks, everyone

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listens like she is the voice of
God, right, Right.

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She is the truth, The truth
there, the mouthpiece, the

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prophet.
Now Kim Jong Illinois, this

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ruthless little bastard dictator
gets anything that he wants and

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no one is questioning his
abilities anymore.

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They're like, oh, he's
protecting us.

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And yes, he Messiah.
Thank you.

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So in 78, before he becomes
leader, Kim Jong Illinois was

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this is an example of him
getting everything he wants.

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He's obsessed with movies.
Like, he's like this movie

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fanatic, OK, And he was terribly
unhappy with North Korea's

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movie, right?
They it's not like they, it's

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not like they have Universal
Studios or Sony that can just

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make these great pictures,
right?

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It's repressed North Korea.
So he's like, these movies suck.

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I mean, yeah.
Totally.

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They probably did.
Totally.

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There's like closed caption or
like, you know, imagine like

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your, your high school, like
journalism, like news, like

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that's not, it's not cute.
Yeah, your AV club.

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Yeah, your AV club, your AV
club, who has like, limited

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resources and, you know,
licensing, like there's no way

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you're going to watch him be
like this really inspired me.

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This Oscar worthy?
Yeah.

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So he decides he needs his
favorite movie star and film

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director to help revamp the
country's film industry.

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Well, one problem.
The movie star and the director

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they were South Korean.
Yeah, I was wondering right.

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Korean.
Yeah.

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Right.
Well, yeah, they, like we said,

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they used to be 1 country.
Yes, same people.

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Yeah.
But now they're in the now.

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So we can't exactly, you know,
call them up and say, hey, could

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you guys make me some movies?
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, that just.
Can you do me a favor?

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Can't possibly work.
So what does he do instead?

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Oh, he kidnaps them.
Shut up.

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Yeah, yeah, because that's the
next.

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That's the next logical step.
Instead of being like, like, let

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me yeah, let's work.
Let's like do a contract, I'll

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pay you slightly.
Like Nope, Nope.

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Not even a thought.
I need to kidnap them.

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So North Korean agents snatched
this actress Choi Unhi while she

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was in Hong Kong and then they
lured her famous ex-husband who

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was the film director that he
liked.

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They lured him, Shin saying oh
OC to Hong Kong, snatch him to

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Those two, spend the next
eight-year in captivity in North

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Korea, forced to make the
movies.

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Holy fuck, eight years, eight
years of not seeing your family

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of one.
Also, let's like be honest, not

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being able to be creative like
it's a huge deal for for.

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Creative under duress.
Under duress, stressed out, and

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then my God, like imagine that.
What is that called when you

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start sympathizing with your?
Stockholm Syndrome.

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Yeah, the Stockholm syndrome
would be really strong.

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And you can't, you know, imagine
that you are now being taken

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over by a dictator or like are
kidnapped by a dictator and now

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living in their country.
There is no, no, there is no

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like conversation.
No like you listen to what they

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have to say because your life
depends on it.

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That's.
Right.

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That's right.
Yeah.

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Complete.
Under complete duress, they

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managed to flee during a trip to
Vienna, which we could probably

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cover in a whole nother episode
of this show.

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Nuts.
Vienna of all places.

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Of all places.
Anyway, that's the kind of guy

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we're dealing with.
Just some background.

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So yeah.
He's a weirdo.

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So anyway, digress back to
Something's not adding up to the

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US about the cost of all of this
activity.

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Yeah, cut off from the world,
yet the regime is somehow

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getting enough money to build
these ballistic missiles and

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nuclear warheads.
So now it's time for US

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classroom to meet a man named
David Asher.

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And in 2003, he was a senior
advisor working for the State

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Department's North Korea what
they call Working Group.

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And he himself is thinking
something is odd with the whole

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money thing.
So he becomes the head dude

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behind an effort that they had
called the Illicit Activities

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Initiative.
And this in a nutshell, it was a

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plan to stop North Korea's money
flow by targeting any criminal

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activity that they could find.
Ultimately, he oversaw 240US

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officials and members of the
intelligence and police services

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in our country, as well as 15
ally partners, all to target Kim

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Jong Illinois.
Now, as the State Department

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digs away, they uncover scheme
after scheme after scheme,

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everything from A-Z.
They were counterfeiting things

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from cigarettes to Viagra.
They, this team personally

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witnessed about $3 billion in
profits from this counter these

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counterfeiting things.
Holy shit now they were doing

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what they wasn't cheap
counterfeits like they were

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pains asking me making them
legit not gross counterfeits

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like quality counterfeits.
OK, So do you remember like last

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year when, when like there were
or maybe it was like this

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earlier this year, but when
Trump had like announced like

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the tariffs on China?
Yes.

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And then all these China like
makers started saying, hey, by

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the way, you know how you like
Prada, we sell these glasses.

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They may not have the Prada
logo, but it's the same thing we

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make them.
They just put on their own

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logos.
Or whatever.

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I believe it.
And they're like, by the way, if

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you want to contact me, contact
me directly at this number and I

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I will give you the money.
Yeah.

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So, you know, and they're legit.
These are legit.

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They say counterfeit, but like
some of them are actually.

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What they make, yes.
Yeah.

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And so it seems like so North
Korea is actually throwing out

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these like.
I mean, I'm assuming that's

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where you, like when you're in
Chinatown or whatever in New

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York City or, and you can go and
get like a fake bag or like a

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fake.
And like sometimes you're,

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you're brought into a in the
back, yeah, in the back or like

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into a some weird alley.
And like a woman like goes into

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her trunk and like pulls out
bags.

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You're like, yeah, I'll take
that one, you know?

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So yeah, but it's like, like, is
that how they're shipping these

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things out like they're legit?
But like, how are they?

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How are they all going out
undetected?

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Right.
Well, they've, there's this

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whole network.
Have you ever heard of The

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Sopranos?
Yeah, OK, well, it's like a ma.

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They've got a network girl.
They have, they have it all

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figured out.
Yeah.

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Interesting.
He's like a Kim's like a mob

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boss.
Yeah.

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So like a soprano, like a Kim,
like Pablo Escobar.

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The problem being though, is he
is in charge of a nuclear

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arsenal.
This is the difference.

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Right, right.
He has like, missiles and like,

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weapons and weapons.
So we're not gonna just like,

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turn our head at him selling
counterfeit or like really good

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copies of things, right?
There's a bigger problem here.

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Exactly.
And then I haven't even hit the

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thing that makes it even worse.
We.

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Haven't talked about that yet,
no.

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So in the summer of 2002, the
FBI launches 2 investigations

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with really cool names called
Operation Royal Charm and

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Operation Smoking Dragon.
One was on the East Coast, one

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was on the West Coast and the
United States.

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So a guy by name Bob Hammer was
the lead investigator on Smoking

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Dragon Sting.
He takes the assignment of of

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tracking the criminal syndicate
that is smuggling knockoff

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cigarettes into the United
States.

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So he comes up with a cover
story that he was an older white

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man, had a warehouse in Los
Angeles area and he would store

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contraband there, whatever it
may be in his warehouse to help

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it get moved about the in the
country that was his cover.

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So over time he infiltrates the
group bringing in all these

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counterfeit goods and it wasn't
long before expanded beyond

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cigarettes gets stolen cars,
clothing, weapons, fake

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pharmaceuticals, IE the Viagra.
And the drugs didn't even stop

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there.
As Bob earns these their trusts,

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they let him in on bigger and
bigger and bigger schemes.

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Then one day, insert dramatic
pause, they asked Bob to set up

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a crystal meth laboratory.
They're like the friend that

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like you're clearly getting
something out of friendship, but

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like they're kind of a little
weird.

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They keep on, they keep on like
pushing the envelope.

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They're like, hey, can I come
over and borrow your, your

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shoes?
Sure.

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That's a little weird, but yeah,
yeah.

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Can I borrow this?
Can I have this?

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Hey, would you do me a favor, do
this for me?

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And you're like, what the how
did this go from zero to like

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100 meth lab?
Yeah, in North Korea, by the

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way, they want him to come North
Korea, build this meth lab.

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And the idea is that he was
going to produce 600 kilos of

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meth and he was told the Chinese
would be the middle men to

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export the drugs.
They would keep 1/3, Bob would

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keep 1/3, and North Korea would
keep 1/3.

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So, yeah, go ahead.
And so Bob would ensure that he

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was to ensure the successful
production and exportation of

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the meth out of the country.
And they wanted the front to be

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a detergent factory.
So Bob goes to talk to the DEA

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and tells them what's going on.
And they're like, well, that's

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interesting because the same
equipment that you used to make

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detergent, you would use to make
crystal meth.

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So it's a perfect cover.
It's the same thing.

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That they were doing, yeah.
Yeah, they were strategic about

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it.
Yeah, not, not dumb.

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What the heck?
God girl, put your energy in

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something else.
I know peace.

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So the US government can't
exactly get involved with

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setting up a crystal meth lab.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It kind of looks bad on the US
government.

458
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,840
Yeah.
So they pass up on this offer,

459
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,240
but it makes them think like
they've gone from counterventing

460
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,440
cigarettes in Viagra to crystal
meth.

461
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,080
Like they it's like no holds
barred.

462
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,280
Like they are full on syndicate.
Yeah.

463
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Can we talk about like the, the
pipeline from like cigarettes to

464
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,320
Viagra to then meth?
How, how do you choose?

465
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,840
Like, how do you say, OK, we're
gonna I have a good idea.

466
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,840
This is going to make a lot of
money.

467
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,800
It's it's really upping the ante
and seeing whether or not they

468
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,960
can trust Bob.
Right.

469
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,320
Exactly.
And the more they can trust Bob,

470
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,760
the bigger the stakes, right?
The bigger the money.

471
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,720
Yeah, they're gonna, they're
only going to talk about the

472
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,080
fucking the cigarettes
initially, right, Right.

473
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,200
Exactly.
Why would you be like hey do you

474
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,880
mind if we create create like
this?

475
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,680
Hey, we know we just met you.
Yeah, yeah.

476
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,080
So we're trying to get this meth
lab off the ground.

477
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,800
Do you mind?
So it makes them wonder, like,

478
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,320
how many manufacturing plants
does North Korea have?

479
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,640
Like, what are they?
What are all the things that

480
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,840
they're producing?
Yeah, yeah.

481
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,760
What else are they?
Doing What else are they doing?

482
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000
So they end up finding one, and
they find a paper manufacturing

483
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,160
company that was making fake
money.

484
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320
And we're not just talking,
like, fake counterfeiting.

485
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,080
We're not such like, you know,
printing fake money.

486
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:27,800
Like these forgeries were so
good that experts in US currency

487
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,680
could not tell the difference.
That's wild.

488
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,160
That's sick.
That's insane.

489
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,760
Insane.
So they end up calling them

490
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,600
super notes.
That's what they call these

491
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,240
particular counterfeiting bills
or super notes or super dollars.

492
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,360
So the US starts seeing these
high quality fakes in 1990s, and

493
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:54,080
over the years they pop up in
more and more places, often in

494
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,320
the hands of North Korean
diplomats.

495
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Makes sense?
Right.

496
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,320
They're gonna go travel to the
United States.

497
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,600
Hey, here's a few 100 stacks of
hundreds.

498
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,560
You're gonna go use this.
We're gonna wash it.

499
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,640
Yeah, basically this is tip
everyone.

500
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,000
They hold a door open for you.
Here you go, tip them.

501
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:18,120
Yes, or or pay for a dollar
beverage with this $100 bill so

502
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,240
you can get $99.00 of real
money.

503
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,320
As an example.
Duh, Yes, of course, because

504
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,680
they're trying to get more
money.

505
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,640
They want real.
Money.

506
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,560
So the smugglers are the
diplomats?

507
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,800
Yeah, yes.
Well, they can't say no.

508
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,280
Oh yeah, yeah, no, they're dying
if they say no.

509
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,920
If they say no, they're dead.
Then their whole family's dead.

510
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,200
Or like tortured or?
Whatever.

511
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,120
Yeah, no choice.
Yeah.

512
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:45,480
Yeah.
OK, so when they really start

513
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,960
seeing the money wash up in the
US, the FBI and put Bob and his

514
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,320
team on the case.
So through Bob's criminal

515
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,160
connections, puts the word out
that he wanted some of this

516
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,120
forged money.
Bob wants to get some of this

517
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,360
counterfeit money.
And as he expected, it happens.

518
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,120
They bring him five samples of
this money.

519
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,680
He gives them to the Secret
Service who are in charge of

520
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
investigating counterfeiting in
America.

521
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,200
The first three, they said we're
very good, nothing earth

522
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,760
shattering.
They could ultimately figure out

523
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,120
a way to detect them as fakes.
But the last two notes they they

524
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,320
told Bob, if you hadn't told us
these were fake, we would have

525
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:31,040
told you they were absolutely.
So through Hong Kong's, a Hong

526
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,760
Kong shell company, they sourced
the exact linen and cotton

527
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,640
paper.
This is North Korea.

528
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,560
The suppliers thought that they
were fulfilling an order for

529
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,400
high quality stationary, but
instead they the products were

530
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,240
ended up then being shipped to
North Korea to use in their

531
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,480
paper mill, which I start
thinking about you.

532
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Have you seen how they make
money?

533
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,160
They've got those colored fibers
and stuff in the paper.

534
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,840
So I'm sorry, that company that
made the paper, you're kind of

535
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,160
an idiot.
Right.

536
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080
If you figured out how to
duplicate American money paper

537
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,200
and you think it's for
stationary, you're an idiot.

538
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,720
OK.
Can I just like speak like on

539
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,520
behalf of stationary?
Yes, because I'm really into it.

540
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,080
Yes.
And like notebooks, like really

541
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,200
nice paper and like pens.
Yes, there is a such a huge

542
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320
difference.
In quality paper in.

543
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,120
Quality paper.
Agreed.

544
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,600
Like having a notebook that like
sits flat and like I honestly

545
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480
love like Japanese notebooks and
stuff yes, like that are.

546
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,760
You can flip the thick pages and
just lays.

547
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,880
It just lays and and like the
the way that your pen glides

548
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,920
over the paper is just so nice.
Like, yes, I understand like

549
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,640
that.
Come on, money versus paper,

550
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,640
like it's the same fucking
thing.

551
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,040
But also people like us who love
a nice piece of paper or like

552
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,120
life, there are so many of them.
So yes, would it be so crazy to

553
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,720
think that maybe, I don't know
that they put.

554
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Blue and red and green fibers in
the paper.

555
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440
Why would you do that?
Well, I would, I mean, I've had

556
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,240
like to make it look like it's
recycled or like make it look

557
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,560
like that, like homemade paper.
You know how they have like

558
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,560
words and things like that
That'll yeah, that'll like that

559
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,320
way, I guess.
But yeah, why would it not be

560
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,000
these all the exact same?
I mean, it's identical.

561
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Clearly they thought it was with
the real paper.

562
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Yeah, I mean, that's And how did
they know anyway it had?

563
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,240
So many questions they had to
have had.

564
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,080
There was someone on the inside
there had to have.

565
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,400
Had to have been, had to have
been.

566
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,760
So they called this, they call
it Plant 62.

567
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,720
This is what the Americans end
up calling this paper

568
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,120
manufacturer in North Korea.
OK, That's the front right of

569
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,840
paper manufacturing.
They call it Plant 62.

570
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,680
And in fact, you, there's places
of it online, you can see it and

571
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,600
it's got fucking this looks like
a prison, like there's guard

572
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,280
towers, there's like walls with
barbed wires, like this four

573
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,960
story building.
But course, North Koreans aren't

574
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,880
going to question it.
Of course, that's a paper

575
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
manufacturing company.
Yeah, they're not going to

576
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,480
question.
It they think their people are

577
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400
gods.
And you don't question, you

578
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,080
don't ask questions, you.
Don't ask questions at all.

579
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,800
So the micro printing features
like it's 140 thousandth of an

580
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720
inch.
You know how they say that the

581
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,000
printing is kind of raised a
little bit?

582
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,200
If you get a brand new dollar
bill and you rub your finger

583
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,040
over it, you can kind of feel.
It you can feel the the

584
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:33,320
different inks and stuff.
That was exactly 140 thousandth

585
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720
of an inch.
It was identical, absolutely

586
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,920
identical.
All of these little, I don't

587
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,280
know, there's like little
spiders printed in corners.

588
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,520
There's like the, the ribbon
inside, there's the holograph.

589
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080
There's, I mean, there's a
hundred different things there.

590
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Are a ton of like small things
that like add up to like ensure

591
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,680
that it's not real.
Yeah, that it's that it's real.

592
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,320
All of them were there.
The genius part about this whole

593
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:05,120
thing, yeah, is that the North
Korea's put microscopic flaws in

594
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,320
their notes so that they could
tell the difference between a

595
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040
real and their own fake.
That's the only way they could

596
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,840
tell the difference.
Who?

597
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440
Knew where to look.
They knew exactly a microscopic

598
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720
flaw where to look for.
Wow.

599
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Wow.
And so, so if a bunch of like

600
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,000
hundreds came back, they'd be
like, fuck you.

601
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Like this is our own fake money.
They have to meticulously look

602
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,080
at everyone.
Every single bill.

603
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Single one which they end up I'm
going to tell you a story.

604
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:44,080
OK so the US Treasury had to
introduce new security features

605
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,800
because they find out about
this.

606
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,640
But plan 62 somehow keeps up
keeps the pace.

607
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,720
Now it can be argued somebody
inside or they're just so they

608
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240
haven't this is like their bread
and butter.

609
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,560
So they're gonna, they're gonna
spend the time and the

610
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,600
painstaking effort to figure all
this stuff out and do it.

611
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,640
I mean, yeah, like as you were
saying, it's like they they have

612
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,440
like both of them or excuse me,
these this plant, these people

613
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,680
that is their that's their
number one revenue in source.

614
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
So why would they not?
Or only.

615
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Or only yeah, source most
significant surely.

616
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Like you know, why would they
not be creating different

617
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,240
versions and have ways and like
know all the spots to check the

618
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,200
imperfections at that's.
That's their purpose and.

619
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,480
They're diversifying their their
money.

620
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,800
That is like perfect.
I'll be honest, fucking go for

621
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,520
it.
The fact that they've that

622
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,080
they've like created all of
this.

623
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,680
You're like.
It's impressive.

624
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,400
It's like, maybe you guys should
be creating, you know, like

625
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
maybe there's something we can
learn from you in this, this

626
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,120
whole thing.
The determination's impressive.

627
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Impressive.
Exactly.

628
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,640
So by the mid 1990s, North Korea
had weaponized the US dollar

629
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,680
itself, obviously turning
America's currency into

630
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760
ultimately a financial attack.
Right?

631
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,440
Right.
So the the US is being very

632
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:22,440
patient, but by the 90's, the
scope of the Super note was out

633
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280
of control.
So they're like, we've got to do

634
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,760
something about this.
So the in 96, the US did a

635
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,080
completely redesigned US bell,
and that's when Franklin's

636
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,400
portrait got huge.
Oh yeah.

637
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Remember it got really big in
the middle.

638
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,000
That's why they did that and
they did all the other stuff

639
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,240
that you remember.
They added watermarks and the

640
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,400
security threads were moved and
enhanced.

641
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,480
And, and if you like held like
like if you hold like a dollar

642
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,720
bill or something like up in the
light, then you could see like

643
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,320
the the picture of Benjamin
Frankel.

644
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Yeah, it's like smaller on the
inside.

645
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,640
And yeah, there are like various
spots.

646
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,360
And you know what?
I'll be honest, our currency has

647
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,360
always been boring as fuck.
It is boring.

648
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,920
It's so boring.
It's getting better now that.

649
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Was the that was the best one,
right?

650
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,920
Yes.
But you look at everybody else's

651
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,639
money, it's so gorgeous.
It's like multiple colors.

652
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,239
You have like a strip of like.
Clear windows and some of them.

653
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,800
Yeah, it's like it's super like
it, you know, from an artistry

654
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,960
or like, you know, just looking
at the bills and the coins, they

655
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,320
just look so much better and so
much more professional.

656
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:33,280
Like ours do look shitty and it
seems like they should they

657
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,400
should like go to to a different
fucking they get they should be

658
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,120
you know what if it took North
Korea making so much money off

659
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,520
of us to get better money.
Great, Thank you guys.

660
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,159
Thank you for the better looking
money.

661
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,440
But it still looks looks bad.
So so that was so they they

662
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,960
changed the size.
Because of that, that was

663
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,040
America's kind of way.
Also, just telling North Korea

664
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,720
we know what you're doing.
That was kind of their intent.

665
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,040
Yeah, because that was the only
so.

666
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Significantly different.
It wasn't like just a little

667
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,880
change.
It was a significant change.

668
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,280
And so then North Korea responds
with something even more

669
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,000
audacious.
Because less than two years

670
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,120
later, the first counterfeit of
the big head Franklin surfaced

671
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,520
in a London bank.
Shut up.

672
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Because somehow through
industrial espionage, they had

673
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,120
obtained the exact pigment
formulation used by the

674
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,240
Treasury.
Because, remember, they changed

675
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,200
the ink to, it was like this
holographic ink, remember, or

676
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,440
color shifting or whatever it
was.

677
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Yeah.
And that was manufactured by a

678
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,080
Swiss company.
So they somehow infiltrated the

679
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Swiss the Swiss company.
Like now we're making pens for

680
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360
our stationary company.
Anyway, I digress.

681
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,560
Back to Bob was wanting to buy
the money, right?

682
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600
Yeah, they were going to sell it
to him for $0.35 on the dollar.

683
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,240
OK.
So he wanted 1,000,000 bucks,

684
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:53,000
going to cost him $350,000 to
buy this money.

685
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,840
And there was this reporter from
the AP and she tells this story

686
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,960
where, you know, they couldn't
use foreign credit cards in

687
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,200
North Korea, so they had to take
cash.

688
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,480
And she would always take $100
bills, you know, because you

689
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,240
need to take a lot of cash.
You can't take 10's and 20s.

690
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,720
And every time that she would
give them the money they would

691
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,280
have, they'd put it on a table
and all these N Koreans would

692
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,840
gather around and inspect every
bill.

693
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,320
And she thought it was weird.
Yeah.

694
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Why are you?
Why are you checking every bill

695
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,840
like I'm giving you this money?
It's very weird.

696
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,760
Unbeknownst to her, they were
looking for the little

697
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,640
microscopic flaw they.
Wanted to make they're like.

698
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,960
You're giving us our money back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000
We don't want our shitty money.
We want the real shit.

700
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,480
Exactly.
So funny.

701
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,120
Isn't that crazy?
So insane.

702
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,440
And so she reports this to the
other thing.

703
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Yeah.
So she she goes to a store and

704
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,000
everywhere that they went, they
were like trying to exchange

705
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,480
money with her.
Like that was people's like if

706
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,640
you were in a store, that's what
they wanted you to do.

707
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960
Like they were, everyone was
asking her to exchange, you

708
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,720
know, exchange.
Money.

709
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:04,760
Can I have your money?
Yeah.

710
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600
Hey, you want to trade 100 for
your 100?

711
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:13,280
Yeah, interesting.
So she reports this to the North

712
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Korean embassy because she's the
London reporter.

713
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,760
And they, of course, deny it,
say it's a farce the US has, you

714
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,160
know, trying to trash North
Korea because, you know, America

715
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,760
is North Korea's enemy.
But of course, they deny it's a

716
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,240
complete, complete parse.
Complete parse.

717
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Right.
Bob gets back to Game Bikes body

718
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,240
purchases the the $1,000,000 in
Super Super Notes for $350,000.

719
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,360
He's told that the Super Notes
are going to arrive in a

720
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,880
container filled with rolls of
fabric.

721
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,800
They somehow, at the end of the
role, had all of these $100 fake

722
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,280
$100 bills.
I mean, they deliver.

723
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,520
They delivered to his warehouse.
Yeah, this $1,000,000 in fake

724
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,360
money.
So now the FBI has the evidence

725
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,280
that they need to start making
arrests.

726
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,200
But the problem is they got to
get these people to the United

727
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,080
States.
Like how?

728
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,840
Yeah, they have to extradite
them.

729
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,280
They have to.
They could get him here.

730
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,520
Yeah, how are you supposed to
get, you know, especially for a

731
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,600
country like that that is like
totally closed off.

732
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,240
How the hell are you going to?
Get them to the United.

733
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,280
States the US a legitimate
reason.

734
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,720
So this is where smoking dragon
and royal charm kick in.

735
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,240
So on the East Coast, they set
up this fake wedding they had.

736
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,920
It was like legit.
They like created all these

737
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,760
wedding invitations, guest
registry, wedding registry.

738
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,600
I mean, it was a full on
production.

739
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:40,360
The FBI even lent and it's of
course the groom and the bride

740
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,680
were FBI agents, but they got
like a big a huge diamond ring

741
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,800
out of Evan, you know, out of
their wherever they store their

742
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,680
stuff.
Yeah.

743
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,280
I mean, it was like.
Like a massive like you cannot

744
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,880
don't.
Miss this, Deny this wedding.

745
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,680
Yeah, you could miss it, yeah.
It's it's like the event of the

746
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,760
century.
Exactly.

747
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,320
So the wedding's gonna happen on
a yacht?

748
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,960
Oh, perfect.
And so all the wedding guests

749
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,360
turn up.
They even people are bringing

750
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,960
registered guests like with the
what they report.

751
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,440
One guest even brought a Rolex.
I mean, these are high polluting

752
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,520
rich bitches.
Yes, yes.

753
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,760
And so they get all of these
guests into the cars, limo

754
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,840
driven cars to take them to the
yacht.

755
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,360
They all had their own car,
their own chauffeur.

756
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,480
Unbeknownst to them, they were
getting driven right to the FBI.

757
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160
Right, right.
They're like, Oh yeah, yeah, no,

758
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,840
we'll, we'll drive you straight
there.

759
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,360
He has exactly in your own
little car.

760
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,520
Yeah, you're so lucky.
You know, like you think about

761
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,160
it and you're saying like a
Rolls or they have like these

762
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Rolexes or whatever.
Wouldn't you think like

763
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,680
everyone's like, do you guys
know these people?

764
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,680
Do you know these people like
these?

765
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,120
I don't know this the people who
are having.

766
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Other wedding, yeah, yeah.
So I didn't get the details

767
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,040
about how they felt like they
needed to show up other than,

768
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,960
you know, you get so tight in
these things.

769
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,000
Yeah, in the world, it's like
everyone gets invited to every

770
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,280
and to every.
And then some form or fashion,

771
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,800
you're going to feel like you're
obligated to go, especially if

772
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,880
it's this, you know, billion
dollar wedding, yes, you know.

773
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,320
Yeah, totally.
So that's probably what happened

774
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,000
anyway.
So Smoking Dragon went even

775
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,240
deeper.
So for 18 months, undercover

776
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,240
agents embedded themselves in
the Chinese and Taiwanese

777
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,720
smuggling rings.
They watched super notes being

778
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,000
hidden in hollowed out books
sewn into fabric bolts like what

779
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,440
Bob got stuffed inside
children's toys, legitimate

780
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,760
containers.
Like it was going all over the

781
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,680
place.
And I think the most fascinating

782
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,320
one was they tracked this
Taiwanese guy who lived in Las

783
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:54,760
Vegas, and he would take the
counterfeit $100 bills into a

784
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:01,320
casino, put them into a penny
slot, play a few hands, cash

785
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,960
out, and then take the ticket to
the cashier.

786
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,080
So basically put $100 in, play a
couple penny rounds, cash out,

787
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,400
take the $99 ticket to the
cashier and get 99 real dollars,

788
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,880
kind of like what we were
talking about earlier in just a

789
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,720
weekend.
He cleaned like $10,000 like it

790
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,960
was easy for him to do.
And nobody questioned the fact

791
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,760
that he had like these $100
bills that he was just putting

792
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,880
into.
In a penny slot.

793
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,200
I know a high, a High Roller in
a penny slot.

794
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Yeah, that's fucking hilarious.
So dumb and so that the casinos

795
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,680
had obviously video of this and
they get help from the Secret

796
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,840
Service to examine, you know
these reels and it was later

797
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,960
used as evidence.
But we see him ultimately

798
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,800
meeting with Bob, Bob, our Bob
guy, because he was involved in

799
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,720
this and they met, he met him at
a Ritz Carlton.

800
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,440
And there's also another guy
that was doing the counterfeit

801
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,400
cigarette thing.
He helped kind of coordinates.

802
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,600
They're doing all of this stuff
to get these criminals.

803
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,800
So Bob has come up with another
story for his targets that he

804
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120
said he's married, he had a
girlfriend, his my wife found

805
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,360
out about his girlfriend.
He's filing the divorce.

806
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,000
So he wants to have a divorce
party.

807
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,200
So that's how he was going to
get more people.

808
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,160
Party.
Party and by the way, we're

809
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,480
having the party at the Playboy
Mansion, so they're like.

810
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,120
I've never been to the Playboy
Mansion.

811
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,680
I want to go.
Yeah, so they end up arresting

812
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,360
59 people.
But what's frustrating is that

813
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,440
none of the North Koreans came.
It was all the Chinese in Hong

814
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,960
Kong.
That's what I was wondering.

815
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,640
Middle men.
This showed up.

816
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,440
Yeah, it wasn't the, it wasn't
the people with the real.

817
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,960
Yeah.
I mean, it would make sense

818
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,920
because, like, what is the
purpose?

819
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,280
They're going to go to someone
to the United States to see a

820
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,040
wedding.
Yeah, someone's not going to let

821
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,000
them do that.
Uh huh.

822
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,480
Do you remember the famous Sony
incident?

823
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Do you remember N do you
remember the movie that came out

824
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,040
about North Korea?
It was a comedy.

825
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:21,000
And then N Sony got hacked and
the the files got threatened to

826
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,600
be deleted.
And do you remember?

827
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,360
Those I I vaguely remember that
happening.

828
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Yeah, that was like what?
Like in when?

829
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,560
Was that?
Yeah, Yeah, it was.

830
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,920
It's been a while ago.
Well, that was North Korea

831
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,240
hacking into Sony.
Because ultimately what's

832
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:40,720
happened is the United States
has shut down their entire

833
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,840
counterfeiting ring, right.
By this point, like, North

834
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,400
Korea's busted, like they can't
do anything.

835
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
Banks are being scared.
They don't want to do business

836
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,360
with North Korea anymore, right?
So they another truly getting

837
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,840
shut out of the world and so
they're like, well, now what can

838
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,200
we do?
Cybercrime, right?

839
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,920
Cybercrime, right.
So the Sony thing was kind of

840
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:08,360
their first attempt, big
attempt, successful attempt by

841
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,120
the way, of hacking into
company.

842
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:21,920
So on the 29th of January in
2015, an e-mail is sent to the

843
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Central Bank of Bangladesh from
someone saying they're looking

844
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,400
for work.
And by the way, it's exactly

845
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
like the same e-mail that was
sent to Sony, but this one goes

846
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
to many employees.
And here's what the letter said.

847
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,640
It said Hi, I'm Rachel, I'm
extremely excited about the idea

848
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
of becoming part of your company
and I'm hoping that you can give

849
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,440
me an opportunity to present my
case in further detail in a

850
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,520
personal interview.
Here is my resume and cover

851
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,120
letter.
Thank you in advance for your

852
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,480
time and consideration.
Well, it only takes one person

853
00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:00,840
to open that attachment one, and
they had full on access to that

854
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,600
bank and we're going to, they
were in the process, literally

855
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,680
in the process of getting almost
a billion bucks out of this

856
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,560
bank.
And this again, this is another

857
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,920
episode that I'm actually
considering I'm doing is this

858
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,520
whole event someone by some luck
sees something and ends up

859
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,400
stopping it.
They still got away with

860
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,560
$81,000,000 by the way.
Holy shit.

861
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,600
But they didn't get a billion,
right?

862
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,200
So now we got North Korea
complete expert cyber criminals.

863
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:41,360
What's the actual hell?
They're like the kid who keeps

864
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,720
on getting put into timeout and
like they just, they just find

865
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,720
another way to get in trouble.
You're like, no, no, we are not

866
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,160
giving.
You need to stop playing with

867
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,400
that ball.
You're not.

868
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Yeah.
Like you're not supposed to sit

869
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,520
like you're in timeout.
You need to, you know, you need

870
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,480
to sit in timeout like you're on
a stool.

871
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,000
Then they're like playing with a
stool and you're like, is

872
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,400
somehow like creating crazy
drama.

873
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,640
OK, we're taking away your
stool.

874
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,160
You still have to sit in the
corner.

875
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,200
And it's just like the auntie
keeps on, keeps on being brought

876
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,320
up and up and up.
Yes, they are the, like I said,

877
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,680
the top of the show.
They are the most recluse cut

878
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,840
off from the world country.
Yes.

879
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Yeah, look at what they can
accomplish.

880
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,720
It's the ingenuity.
Like it's impressive.

881
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:25,600
It's impressive.
Could.

882
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,240
You imagine what they could do
for their people.

883
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,280
Oh my God.
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,080
Korea could probably become
Korea again, quite honestly.

885
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,520
So it totally could, yeah.
But the dictator doesn't want

886
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,680
that.
He wants to do crime and, you

887
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,120
know, live off his people's
back.

888
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Right, right.
I mean, because you know him and

889
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,840
all the people who are in power,
it's like we're always talking

890
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560
about this power, this idea,
this power dynamic.

891
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,240
And it's like, of course, of
course he's gonna try to keep

892
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,680
him and his cronies like in
power.

893
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,200
Of course he's going to, he's
not gonna, he's not gonna try

894
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,360
to, he's not gonna all of a
sudden like have a change of

895
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,880
heart.
And you know, by the way, it's

896
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,920
like the current, you know, what
is it the current ruler or the

897
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:10,120
dictator, God, king, whatever of
North Korea, He is the son of

898
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,520
this guy.
So it's like, so it's not like

899
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,240
his, you know, it's not like his
dad was like, OK, we're gonna

900
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,200
watch Disney movies and like,
have you learned morality and

901
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,840
like, you know, and teach you
all these things?

902
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,640
It's like you're, you are used
to a criminal.

903
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,160
You know, a criminal.
It's like raising mob.

904
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,800
Raising mob.
Yes, exactly.

905
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,840
Like that's what you know,
you're going to continue it.

906
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,680
You're not going to be thinking
about people, you know, and

907
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,640
their, you know, welfare.
This is the only world you've

908
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,440
known.
I was.

909
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,480
So, I mean, I knew.
I knew what you knew about North

910
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Korea when we talked about it
and the things you were saying.

911
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:47,400
That's what I thought when I
heard at the level of criminal

912
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,880
activity, the counterfeiting and
the cybercrime that came out of

913
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,880
that, I was my jaw dropped to
the floor.

914
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,600
I couldn't believe it.
Actually, like it was pretty I I

915
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,800
have not heard I've not heard of
that.

916
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,840
And like, let's be honest, like,
you know, you have like all of

917
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,040
those emails like report
phishing or spam or whatever,

918
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,840
like report these things because
you never know.

919
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,960
But it's like apparently like
with this bank, you know, it's

920
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,000
very, very true.
Like if you if you open up a

921
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,200
file from someone somewhere you
don't know, it doesn't matter.

922
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,960
Like when you're repeating what
the e-mail said, it sounds so

923
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,680
fucking stupid.
And like in my in my head, I'm

924
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,280
like.
But you're in that mindset.

925
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,080
Right, yes, I am.
But like if you see that e-mail,

926
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,840
like if you see the e-mail come
through, you're like, this is

927
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,360
very weirdly like written like
what kind of motherfucker?

928
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,320
Like let's see the.
Rest of that catchment, yeah.

929
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,520
Yeah, exactly.
Well, no, I would be like, I'd

930
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,640
be like, this is.
What this dummy is, Yeah, who do

931
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,080
we really have the experience?
Like where the fuck is this guy

932
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,040
from?
Click.

933
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,440
Especially if you're not in that
mindset, it just and it just

934
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,600
takes one person it.
Does what?

935
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,280
Because it was just one person,
right?

936
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Like, and that's, you know, and
then they got like 86 million.

937
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Like the ingenuity is
impressive.

938
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,680
And you're like, God, if you
could just be putting that

939
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,600
energy towards something else,
you know, your people wouldn't

940
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,640
be suffering.
Because let's let's like not get

941
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,360
it twisted.
The Korean people are suffering.

942
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,240
The people who are making this
money is not the person who has

943
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,320
who's like working as a factory
worker.

944
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,720
That's right.
Who's actually making this

945
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,040
fucking money?
The geniuses and the people who

946
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,240
are behind this are it's not the
dictator, like it's not those

947
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,320
people in power.
It is.

948
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,840
It's the people who happen to
live there.

949
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,360
So there is brilliance there.
It's not within that leadership

950
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,320
and that what a shame that is.
Sick.

951
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,720
It's totally sick, but quite
literally living off the backs

952
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,320
of your people.
Gross.

953
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Can we just say fuck that guy?
Yeah, fuck him.

954
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Yeah.
And that family, because, you

955
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,000
know, they raised, they raised.
A crazy shit person.

956
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,640
I mean, they're all crazy.
The the other thing that I just

957
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,600
think about is like, yeah, I
just feel so bad because these

958
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,680
sanctions, these were sanctions.
It's like it does feel really

959
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,320
wrong and it feels like we're
punishing everyone because of

960
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,160
the actions of a few.
We are.

961
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,440
It's sad it happens.
Yes, gross.

962
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,040
I hope that would be really
cool.

963
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,680
Like if we had aliens come down,
they're like, hey, guess what,

964
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,120
We're all, we're going to make
you guys all telepathic and

965
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,920
everyone's won and like.
Talk to them.

966
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Yeah, You can talk to them.
And then you can also just be

967
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,440
like, well, guess what?
All we can like, see how awful

968
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,240
all these people are, and
they're no longer in power.

969
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,440
You know, I just, I just hope
that these people.

970
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,000
You know so.
Sad to see.

971
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,480
Yeah.
It's just, it's heartbreaking

972
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,200
heart, honestly, it is.
But like that story of the of

973
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,800
the counterfeiting, like the
money, it makes you wonder if

974
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,280
something like that's currently
happening.

975
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,320
Like I'm what?
Don't we know?

976
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,440
There's so much we don't know
and the stuff, the stuff that's

977
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,480
like the scariest, right Back
then when they were like, you

978
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,040
know, doing money and stuff.
It was before the Internet was

979
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480
where it is now.
My God, like people can hack

980
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,560
into like that's another thing.
It's like fucking protect your

981
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,160
your technology and like start
putting blocks and stuff on

982
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,080
things like like I started
covering the cameras.

983
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,840
I don't have it covered on my
phone but like I need to cover

984
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,040
my phone up at all times like
that data that.

985
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Information should be doing it
on our iPads and.

986
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,840
I actually.
Have it on my computer.

987
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Yeah, I have it on my iPad now,
but like, I just got some.

988
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,840
But it's like, you know, if
they're hacking into banks,

989
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,720
who's who's to say they're not
hacking into everything else?

990
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,000
Well, of course they are.
You know of?

991
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,160
Course they are.
Don't trust anything.

992
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,760
Oh God.
You.

993
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,640
Know that was such an
interesting story.

994
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,080
Holy shit I didn't realize.
I just think of them being like,

995
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:29,920
yes.
Exactly.

996
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,280
Technologically like inept.
Yeah, that's the thing.

997
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,440
That's that's the stereotype in
our, then it's in our.

998
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,520
I wouldn't think of a criminal
mastermind.

999
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,320
No syndicate?
Nope.

1000
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,600
It's wild.
God, Thank you.

1001
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:45,120
OK, you're welcome.
We will.

1002
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,280
I guess we'll we'll chat in a
week or so.

1003
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,600
Yes, we will.
And you know, if you liked the

1004
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,600
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1005
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1006
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1007
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,000
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1008
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,720
We're happy you're out if that's
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1009
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,080
Or if you're listening from
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1010
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,440
You're you're on the right side
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1011
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,200
Great.
I was.

1012
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,520
I'll talk to you guys soon.
Yeah.

1013
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Talk to you soon.
Yeah.

1014
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,200
See ya.
Bye.