Congress vs. UFOs: What They Don’t Want You to Know

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Greetings fellow humans.
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AFI am Alicia, your Earthling

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Hostess for today's episode.
And as always, we ask that you

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keep an open mind, keep a
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listening to the facts because
they're definitely here as we

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take you on our newest journey,
Congress versus UFOs.

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But they don't want you to know.
Take 3.

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Well, heya Kevin, are you
feeling like this world,

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country, time has you upside
down?

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Well, have I got news for you?
You've not seen anything yet.

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Buckle up.
Buckle.

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Buster.
Buckle up Buster, we're in for

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an intergalactic space ride.
Yes, me, lovey.

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I'm excited, yeah.
It's been crazy.

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It's been crazy.
We've gotten a lot of these

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hearings, more than we've ever
had in our entire life, and it's

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fascinating.
It's great.

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It's it's and frustrating.
It's great and frustrating.

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It's so funny because I, I am
the weirdo in the friend group

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who's like, guys, Can you
believe this congressional

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hearing that just happened?
I mean, I'll be honest, I

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understand the sentiment because
a lot has happened in 2025.

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This year has been crazy.
And not just like for the world,

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but also for the good old US of
A, right?

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There's been a lot of breaking
news, none of which has been

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around the UAPUFO situation,
which is crazy because there's

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been a lot of stuff that's been
released, but when there's so

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much.
Noise, you know, it's so much

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noise.
That's the problem.

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You know, we talk about it a
lot.

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There are world and world
governments have stated that

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there is something in the oceans
and in the skies of this world

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that we simply don't know what
the heck they are.

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We don't know what they are.
The governments don't know what

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they are.
Military does not know what what

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they are.
And also like, are they a

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threat?
That's it.

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Yeah.
Are they?

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This is a question, and it's a
valid question that we should be

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asking ourselves.
OK, So, Kevin, it's no longer

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breaking news, but we have been
incredibly outspoken about the

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fact that our own government has
admitted there is something.

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There's something out there.
Oh, yeah.

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And those some things have been
in our skies for, I don't know,

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a while.
Long time.

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It like not just since Roswell.
This is well before.

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Yes.
The government has admitted

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this, yes.
Right.

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Yes, yet nobody is talking about
it.

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I know.
Because there's other things

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that are more urgent, more
impactful, more visible maybe, I

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guess.
I mean, this has been, this is

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this information has been
released since like 2018.

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I mean, I really, if you want to
get down to it, like this kind

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of stuff has been happening for
a very long time.

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If you want to go into like cow
mutilations, which we've talked

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about, like this stuff was
happening in the 80s, you know,

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Betty and Barney Hill, which
we've also shared on On the Pot,

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a podcast episode about, yeah,
this was a legitimate couple who

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had something very strange
happened to them.

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Roswell, don't get me started.
Area 51, you know, Obama

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admitted it's a it's a fucking
military base.

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Yeah, bitch, we know, you know,
there is something there.

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And I think that the thing
that's interesting about this

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is, you know, you try talking to
people about it, they don't know

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or they don't care or they don't
even know where the hell to look

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because there's just so much
breaking news, so much noise.

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And we're here to talk about one
of the items that should be a

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little bit louder in your news
stories, a lot louder than it

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actually currently is, which is
the UAPUFO subject.

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Well, and so the other problem
is people don't believe it.

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They don't.
They don't believe it.

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The other reason why it's not
news?

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Yes, because people don't
believe it's real.

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They I was like, I was just
having this conversation

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yesterday and I was like
thinking this is like, this is

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insane that nobody like what do
they need to have a Martian in

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front of them?
Yes.

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Which yes.
Even if they did this person's

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like, I am a Martian, I can
prove it to you.

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They would still be like it's.
A hoax?

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Deep fake.
Fakeness.

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Yeah.
God forbid someone films it and

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puts it on the Internet.
Deep fake.

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Totally.
Deep.

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It's it's totally fake.
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Which that is a very interesting
topic.

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File that in your Rolodex for
later, because we're going to

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touch, we're going to touch on
the topic of maybe why there

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isn't more recordings of this
kind of stuff.

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Yep.
So on September 9th, 2025, the

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year of our Lord 2025, when
we're currently recording this,

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U.S.
Congress actually held its third

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major public hearing
specifically dealing with and

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concerning Uaps.
Now, we have spoken about the

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last two hearings which will be
added into the show notes.

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I found both of these and
they're LinkedIn the show notes

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wherever you're listening so you
can listen and get caught up

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but.
Nice.

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The last one that we spoke about
was covered in 2024.

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This is a hearing that happened
in 2023.

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That was the last big one.
But ultimately and conveniently

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enough, in the US, there are
bigger stories than the

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Immaculate Constellation, which
we also spoke about just in

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December, and Immaculate
Constellation and

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whistleblowers.
This was December 2023 when we

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spoke about it.
What else was happening about

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that time we had fucking, you
know, drones we had?

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New Jersey drones.
New Jersey drones.

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We also had an election that had
just happened, a presidential

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election and people losing their
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This was louder news than the
hearing that we had, right?

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The Immaculate constellation was
a is a big deal.

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What's even even bigger deal is
whistleblowers and the way that

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we treat them.
Now.

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I asked you this question last
year, Kevin, and I wonder

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whether your answers changed at
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Interesting.
So have you or your friends

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spoken about Uaps or the
insanity that it that it's

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actually been admitted to by our
government, by the US

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government?
the US government's like, yeah,

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no, there's like unidentified
aerial phenomena, UFOs, Uaps,

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whatever you want to call them.
Have you guys spoken about this?

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No, still not has not changed.
My friends don't buy into.

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I don't know if they buy into it
or they just don't.

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I don't think they get it.
I don't think they believe it.

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Like my friends don't think I'm
weird.

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They don't think you're weird,
they think you're weird.

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I think it's so fucking weird
that nobody's like, like, OK, I,

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I totally understand.
Not everyone's like us.

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Not everybody has a tinfoil hat
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And let's be honest, at this
point, our tinfoil hats have

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been like permanently embedded
into our brain via 5G wave radio

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waves, right?
Like it's, I'm totally kidding.

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We don't have like, you know,
that's not the case.

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But I do try to talk to people
about this and they still don't

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believe it as well.
They think this is a hoax, they

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think it's ridiculous or they
have little interest in it.

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Well, they've been brainwashed,
quite honestly.

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And we've talked about this
before, that whole campaign that

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was actually a thing to
discredit everything that made

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people conditioned to not
believe it's real.

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Yeah, it's it's, it's a
conditioning.

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It's also a, it's like a social
pressure, like you don't want to

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be the weirdo who's in a, you
know, a Winnebago and like, you

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know, in the from the deep
woods.

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You don't want to be the stupid
person, right, because you don't

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have scientific, like, proof,
material proof.

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Yeah.
What?

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What a great idea.
Like a great way to discredit

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people who have had real
experiences.

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Exactly.
I mean, come on, we've

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discredited women and like,
period pain that they've had.

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Oh, yeah, no, that doesn't work.
That's not true.

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Exactly.
Oh, your uterus is like

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basically inflating and that's
fine.

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Here's a vibrator.
Like, like, literally that was

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the fucking that that was a way
that they treated women's like

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hell.
So I mean, should it really

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surprise us that there is a
concerted effort to discredit

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witnesses and potentially
whistleblowers?

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This has been decades and
decades and decades in the

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making.
So I am still like,

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flabbergasted.
I don't understand how.

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And honestly, this is like quite
literally the biggest deal or

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change in humanity it.
Is.

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Since maybe the creation of the
wheel, but honestly it's

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probably ever like that.
We are not alone exactly.

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There's other intelligent life.
It goes against everything that

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most people believe in.
Right, right.

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There are other sentient beings.
The fact that people people's

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minds are blown, but like how
animals can like sense, there's

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an extra extra sense that they
have for time and stuff and like

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when like with their so you
know, that blew people's minds.

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But like this, this is fucking
huge.

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So I just want to tell you,
people don't pay attention, but

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I am here.
I am paying attention.

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I'm a weirdo and I listen to the
whole two hour, 28 minute

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hearing about honestly, 5 or 6
times.

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It's probably more than that.
I don't.

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I'm not sure I want to admit it.
So.

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So let's go.
OK, so this hearing was held by

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the House Oversight Committee
and it's one of the most

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powerful watchdog groups in
Congress.

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And their job is to dig into how
the government agencies spend

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their money and handle sensitive
issues.

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And they have the authority to
actually subpoena witnesses and

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demand documents.
And this is a huge fucking deal.

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OK, This committee is
bipartisan, which means it's

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made-up of like both Republicans
and Democrats.

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So when you see that UA PS
unidentified aerial phenomena is

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on their agenda, on their
docket, it means that Congress

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is using one of its strongest
investigative arms to actually

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press for answers.
And this is a huge deal.

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The title of this hearing was
mainly focused around gaining

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the trust within the American
people.

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So which is interesting, I
think.

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So since this congression,
congressional arm and this

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committee is actually here to
sniff out where the money is

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going and specific organizations
within the government, which

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organizations are a part of
this?

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Their questions are pretty
pointed in this session, OK, and

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they often press for names and
to highlight how the current

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system is flawed.
Which they never generally get

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answers to most most of the.
Time, right, which has been our

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frustration with these hearings
because we're like they're like,

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well, I can't talk to you about
it here, right, but in a skiff

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and a skiff is remind us, Kevin.
Yeah, a skiff is, I can't

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remember the acronym, what it
stands for now, but it's

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ultimately a very, very highly
secure room.

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No electric chronics, no phones,
no anything so that you can have

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private conversations without
any fear of any monitoring or

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recording.
Right, which is important for

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topics like this because a lot
of these people that are at

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these hearings, these
whistleblowers have specific

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security clearances that limit
what it is that they can talk

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about and not be charged by the
US government for espionage or

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crimes against the United
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Just think about that for a
second, please.

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That's why these people state
that they need to go into skiffs

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because often times it is the
information that they're

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presenting that they've already
shared has been deemed a

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national security issue.
And that means that they can be

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put into prison for putting any
information out there.

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Fucking crazy.
Which by the way, let me just

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say I've often when I see these
people talking, I think to

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myself, how do they know what
they can and can't say?

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Like I would be so scared.
Yeah.

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Of saying, and sometimes they
say stuff I'm like, oh, should

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you have said that?
Like it's crazy?

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Like what they it's, it's mind
blowing to me.

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Like I would be so nervous,
especially with these people

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that are active employees or
military, you know, active duty.

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I be like my God, like.
How do you know?

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How do you know?
It's like, great.

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It's nuts.
Well, and here's the thing, I

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think the the issue that we have
is like you and I are not in

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these intelligence.
Yeah.

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That's true.
That's true.

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So they it's hard to wrap.
It's hard to wrap.

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Wrap your mind around it.
At the same time, these people,

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you know, this is their
language.

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It's the language that they've
been speaking.

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Yeah, the majority of people,
not everyone, right?

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Because I'm sure that there have
been slip ups.

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And I actually think that the
person we're really going to

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focus on today made a couple of
slip ups and I'll we can

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reassess why I think that.
But these people are until it

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tend to be intelligence
officers.

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Yes.
So it's this is the this is the

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language they speak every single
day.

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So you and I would be very
nervous.

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This is kind of their world.
So like I said, the questions

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are often pointed and this is no
different in this congressional

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hearing, they often press for
names and highlight how the

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current system is flawed.
OK, one topic they really

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highlight is arrow.
OK, you'll hear arrow all the

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time.
And the I'm like arrow, what the

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fuck is that?
It's the all Domain Anomaly

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Resolution office.
It's the Pentagon's official UFO

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office.
OK.

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It was set up in 2022 to
investigate strange sightings

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and encounters across the air,
land and sea and even space.

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So in theory, it's supposed to
gather reports and analyze data

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and keep Congress in the loop.
And it's not just for UFOs, but

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it's an it's everything, right?
Anything we don't know about,

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that's what they're supposed to
do.

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It's kind of like The X-Files,
only not as cool.

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And potentially people don't
believe any of that shit.

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So the critics of Arrow say that
Arrow has not lived up to that

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promise.
It's slow, it's secretive, and

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sometimes they're more
interested in shutting down

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stories and actually
investigating them.

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So when whistleblowers who CUAPS
testify in front of Congress,

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they're often stating that they
started their whole process at

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Arrow.
OK, that's where they went.

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Now, Arrow's supposed to
actually take care, take these

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claims seriously and
investigate.

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But what we find is that they
are working for the same exact

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groups.
Yep, who are ignoring these

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whistleblowers?
Exactly.

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They often inform the very
groups that they're supposed to

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investigate.
So these are not protecting

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whistleblowers, they're
protecting these large

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governmental organizations.
It's a problem.

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It's a huge issue.
And it's not just because the

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whistleblowers are often finding
issue within the military, but

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it's a problem of national
security.

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So as a veteran, an Air Force,
you know, former Air Force

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airmen, I don't know.
What to call it Airmen?

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Airmen.
Yeah, but what?

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What do you think of that?
The fact these whistleblowers

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are coming forward and they're
going to this like specific

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department.
They're doing what they're

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supposed to do.
Right, because you make enough.

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Yeah, exactly.
And I mean, and that's also why

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they don't spill, you know,
they're being a whistleblower,

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but they don't spill classified.
They still don't spill the

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classified stuff.
No.

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They still say, I'll tell you,
but it is skiff, right?

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So I mean, they're they're
they're keeping their oath and

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trying to do the right thing,
but you can't control an arrow

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was working for the same people
that want to smash and change

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the narrative.
Right, right.

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And these people are like
whistleblowers are like our most

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important people.
They're the ones who are coming

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forward against all odds and
saying there's nefarious shit

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going on and you guys need to
look into it like it's fine.

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So a lot of things came out of
this congressional hearing, but

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I wanted to start with former
Air Force geospatial and

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intelligence specialist Dylan
Borland.

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He actually outlines an
experience that he had in 2012

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at Langley Air Force Base he
faced for coming forward with

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this information.
So before I ask you to play this

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recounting, I'm just going to
set the scene.

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FYI, he was working the night
shift and lived in the barracks

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on base.
He went out for a smoke break

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and then walks around the track,
which is what he typically does

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and outlet.
So on barracks on the base I

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lived in the there was a little
smoke pit outside.

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I was there on the telephone and
looking across to the flight

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line and I see a white light pop
up and stop about 100 feet in

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the air.
I thought it was a weather

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balloon.
I've seen tests from there

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before weeknight, you know,
normal thing, not surprising.

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I actually finished my cigarette
and I begin walking up towards

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the flight line.
There is a track and because I

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was on three months of night
work, I began I would walk the

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track at night when we were
weather down.

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And as I began walking towards
the light, towards the flight

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line and the track, the light
then flies across the base,

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across the flight line.
And as it flies to me, a

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triangle manifests around the
light.

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I can't tell you if it's active
camouflage, I can't tell you if

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it appeared around the light,
but I can tell you that it was a

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white light and then it was a
triangle.

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It stopped about 100 feet in
front of me and approximately

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100 feet above me.
My telephone got extremely hot,

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completely froze, dead.
I remember how thick it was.

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It was between 1:00 to 2:00
stories thick equilateral

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triangle.
I could never see the top of it,

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and the edges were 90 degree
90°.

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There were four lights in total,
one light on each corner and a

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larger light in the center, two
to three times the size of the

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corner lights.
But what was really odd was the

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outside.
The best way to describe it is

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like looking at a James Webb
telescope picture where you have

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the colors and then the black
background.

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So the craft itself was this
black metallic flake paint.

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But on top of the craft was this
goal, lava, plasma, some type of

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fluid going over and around the
craft.

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I'm under this for about two to
three minutes and then the

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center light flashes 2 to three
times.

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No sound immediately shoots up
to commercial jet level minimum

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in my opinion.
And I immediately feel static

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electricity all over my body.
And then I smell the smell of

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after a thunderstorm or
lightning storm that that really

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strong summer thunderstorm smell
gets up to flight level.

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I'm trying to get my phone
reset.

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And I can only see the center
light at this point.

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If I didn't actually see it take
off I would have thought it was

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a star.
And then it hovers up there and

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it begins to slowly move due E
out over the Atlantic Ocean.

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I finally got my phone reset.
The entire thing was about from

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the time I saw the light pop up
near the hangar until it took

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off out over the ocean was about
15 minutes.

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There are so many things that we
could talk about with Dylan

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Borland's account and honestly,
we could probably do like a five

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part on all the testimonies.
We'll go over briefly over the

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other ones, but his was so
different from what we have

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heard in the past at these
congressional hearings.

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This guy wasn't just like some
random dude that works for the

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military.
His whole main job is to look at

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imagery.
This guy was an intelligence

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imagery specialist.
He he was, now I've done a lot

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of research on this guy.
So he would work on drone

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systems and he would be one of
the people to say, yeah, this is

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actually our target.
And you know.

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In other words, he knows what
he's looking at.

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Yeah, and it not, it's not just
drone, drone technology.

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He knows all of the big things,
like he knows all of the

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technology that you and I don't
know about.

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So he this is his whole job is
to look at imagery and this

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thing is happening right in
front of him.

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None of it is making sense.
Like he said before, I thought

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that it was just a weather
balloon.

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It's happened before, not a big
deal, but it changed shape and

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then it looked like it was like
a lob.

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They were like lava or
something, right?

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And and this is where like my,
this is where my that's.

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Sci-fi Movie.
I was just going to say yeah,

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exactly.
This is like where my my Star

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Trek like brain comes in because
he said I don't know if it was

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some kind of cloaking device.
And what did I think about

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Romulan cloaking devices and
like Klingon cloaking devices

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like he he's like, I know that
cloaking devices exist.

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This like triangle around here
makes no sense to me.

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I've never seen anything like
this.

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And the thing that I thought you
would like the most about this

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was the fact that we might have
some kind of explanation for why

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we don't see a lot of imagery or
video that's not shaky.

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He had his phone, the first
thing that he decided.

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Oh right, it heats up and
malfunctions.

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It heats up like it had been
like in the.

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Yeah, or charging, Really.
Have you ever had it charging?

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Your phone's charging and it I
don't remember, happened the

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other day and it I picked it up,
it was so hot and it will reboot

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itself.
It'll go like I need to cool

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down.
Yes, this guy had his fir.

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His first reaction was like, I
need to fucking get a picture of

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this right?
That's the that is the guy that

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you want.
That's the guy that.

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You want right?
And he couldn't.

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And he couldn't his, his his
whole phone got like, I've had

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it happen when my phone's
sitting in the sun, sun, yeah,

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or in the car and it's charging
and they're just like, OK,

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shutting down.
Yeah.

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So that same thing happened to
him and he couldn't even he said

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that the whole thing lasted 15
minutes.

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Right, that's an eternity.
It's an eternity.

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The first time I listened to
this, I was like, maybe it was

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just like 2 minutes that he saw
this at Max.

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I didn't realize it was 15
minutes.

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So he could really commit a lot
of this stuff to memory.

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So this thing shit like morphs,
he tries to take a picture of

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it.
He can't because his entire

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phone heats up and reboots and
he can't do anything for 15

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minutes with that fucking phone.
Yep, OK, Yep.

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And he's sitting there like,
I've never seen anything like

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this.
I've never seen anything like

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this.
And then when it left, I smelled

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A rainstorm and my body had this
like electromagnetic or like,

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like tingles down all of it.
Yeah.

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And what do we hear from like
from abductees?

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You hear that there's a specific
smell associated with it and

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those tingles that you would get
what the he saw this, he knew

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what he was talking about.
This is a man, he is a trained

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expert in intelligence, right.
By the way, this is not in in

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the session, the hearing, but
this guy has a security

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clearance that is a polygraph
clearance.

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Have you heard of that?
Yes, you have to do it

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regularly, right?
Like daily or weekly to make

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sure to you have to keep your
clearance, you have to pass

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these polygraphs like regularly.
Yeah, so they're constantly

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bringing you in.
And so on top of, you know,

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getting clearance, looking at
your entire background, this guy

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is getting regularly
polygraphed.

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So you can't.
You can't do anything SUS,

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that's why.
Yeah, yeah, and and it's, it's

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also because, like, I mean, it
totally makes sense, right?

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Like if you have like a specific
knowledge, you don't want to

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have that shared with other
militaries, whatever, right?

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It makes sense.
But this is the kind of guy who

456
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,000
is the the first, one of the
first witnesses, right?

457
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,360
And he is one of the star
witnesses.

458
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,520
I in my opinion aside from
George Knapp which fuck you

459
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,960
gotta love George Knapp.
George Knapp patron state of all

460
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:03,480
things strange and alien Y God
bless him cuz he really like his

461
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,720
has been focused on.
His whole career.

462
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,120
His entire career, for like over
30 years, he has been studying

463
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,320
aliens.
But George Knapp and his a

464
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,520
partner in crime, I forget.
Oh yeah, what his name is right

465
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,760
now.
I can see his face.

466
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,320
Yep.
And he's in the background

467
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,120
behind all of these guys.
Yep, Yep.

468
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,920
In the hearing anyway, they,
they know these people and

469
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,120
they're helping out.
He's a DILF too, by the way.

470
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:35,320
Oh, Oh yeah, not George Knapp.
No, no, no, no.

471
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,040
His biz biz, but yes.
He is.

472
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,680
He's kind of a DILF.
Yeah, I agree.

473
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Yeah, I agree.
To go back to to Dylan Borland's

474
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,480
testimony, that was his first
point.

475
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,600
He was just talking about what
it is that he saw.

476
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,240
So many fucking questions in my
brain.

477
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,960
But like I said before, we're
talking about Arrow.

478
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,520
We're talking about trying to
get the American people to start

479
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,400
trusting the government again,
OK?

480
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,200
And we're talking about
protecting whistleblowers.

481
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,800
And this guy is a whistleblower.
So there is going to be

482
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,240
questioning about this.
And the next video that we are

483
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,960
going to play is actually going
to highlight that Representative

484
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,720
Luna is at the chair at at this
point in this hearing and she is

485
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,200
questioning about Arrow's
response to what Borland had

486
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,680
seen.
Did they ever try to classify

487
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,040
this information as non human
technology?

488
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Good question.
The problem with this is is that

489
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,440
I know what I experienced first
hand.

490
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,520
I know other things.
I think the staff at Aero that I

491
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,320
met with in March of 2023, I
think they were good people

492
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,880
doing the job they were told to
do.

493
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,280
I did not meet with Kirkpatrick.
He was either not present or did

494
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,280
not want to meet me that day.
However, they did classify

495
00:27:52,400 --> 00:28:00,440
information about the reality of
this subject and it was very

496
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,360
concerning because in my Arrow
MFR they had actually referenced

497
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,840
a former staff member that was
the one who told me to go there

498
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280
and they probably shouldn't have
done that.

499
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,960
One thing that we can kind of
gain from this is the fact that

500
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,960
when he goes to Arrow, Arrow
does not help the head of it

501
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:28,680
does not say anything to him.
In fact, people who said hey,

502
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
you should go and report this to
Arrow.

503
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,440
Because that's, by the way, why
they're there.

504
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,520
Yes exactly.
It's their purpose.

505
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,360
It's the whole purpose there of
being there.

506
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,520
He was told that they had found
no records of when he had

507
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600
originally like said something.
No records of him even saying

508
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,320
anything to Arrow when he was
stating hey this is what

509
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,640
happened.
They were naming colleagues that

510
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,440
he had and putting them on blast
for, which is really not great

511
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,400
because it's one thing if
there's one target on on

512
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,880
someone's back, but then anyone
that that person is talking to,

513
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,360
it becomes a real fucking
problem.

514
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,400
Sure.
He also states that he had faced

515
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,480
retaliation and then also career
obstruction and harassment after

516
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,360
coming forward about UAP
matters.

517
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Dylan Borland has not been
employed.

518
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,560
He has not been employed in in
any kind of intelligence

519
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,320
capacity.
In fact, about a year ago, he's

520
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,520
currently like utilizing
unemployment.

521
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
He's cannot.
Collect Oh, so he's was he a

522
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,000
government?
Was he his private citizen

523
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,000
working for the government?
No.

524
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,760
He was enlisted, do you know?
OK, actually I've gone fucking

525
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,120
down the rabbit.
Hole with this guy, yeah.

526
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,680
So he was originally like
enlisted in, in the, in the

527
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,640
military, who's who's in the Air
Force.

528
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,800
And then due to it's so crazy,
but he had like a wisdom tooth

529
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,600
removal before he went to
Afghanistan or Iraq.

530
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,680
Yeah, I guess it was a common
practice.

531
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,840
Like if you still had your
wisdom teeth, you just had them

532
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,840
all removed because one of the
most common reasons that someone

533
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,600
leaves the Middle East is
because of dental issues.

534
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,520
So they just like take them all
out ahead of time.

535
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,400
Gotcha.
So during the surgery, they

536
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,400
actually cut one of his nerves
so he cannot feel anything on

537
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,880
the whole side of his face.
Good.

538
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Yeah.
And he can't taste anything.

539
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Oh my God.
Yeah.

540
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,040
And and then shortly around or
around the same time, he had

541
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,160
like slipped a disc in his back
and like, you're fine.

542
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,120
And so he's like on 10%
disability, but because of this

543
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,440
surgery that he had from the
military, whatever, that's why

544
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:42,000
he he ended up switching over to
private government work.

545
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Yeah.
And has since been blacklisted

546
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,920
because he's interviewed for
multiple positions and.

547
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Oh, and he can't get hired.
He can't get hired anywhere and

548
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,560
he has like a great.
Resume.

549
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,800
Yeah, I bet.
He even shared it like you can

550
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,200
listen to George Knapp and Oh my
God, DILF.

551
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Our DILF, Yeah, you can listen
on their podcast.

552
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,360
They actually interviewed him
and he shows resume like is

553
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,480
stellar, he said.
The last time I was interviewed

554
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,040
was a year ago and they had more
questions about what I knew and

555
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,200
what was going on in 2012 with
my sighting.

556
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,520
As opposed to his qualifications
for the job.

557
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Exactly, exactly.
So you know it, I feel really

558
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,320
bad for the guy because this guy
is like really trying to be

559
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,880
honest.
He's like, there's something

560
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,520
here.
I don't know what it is, but

561
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,800
people need to know about it.
And he's, he's having active

562
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,360
retaliation currently, actually,
Representative Luna said towards

563
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,000
the end of the session, she said
I would be happy to subpoena the

564
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,360
former head of Arrow and ask him
why the hell he did not look

565
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,560
further into this whole matter.
So there are a few other people

566
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320
given testimony.
One of the guys was Jerry

567
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Nussitelli.
He was a former US Air Force

568
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,800
military police officer, and he
was saying that during 2003 and

569
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,080
2005 that there were five UAP
incidents over Vandenberg Air

570
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,680
Force Base and which at that
point in time was a major

571
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,680
missile test facility.
And he describes multiple

572
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,360
objects.
He says that there is a glowing

573
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,320
Red Square silently hovering
over missile defense sites.

574
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,640
This is what we see over and
over and over again.

575
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,960
These Uaps are like, fascinated
with nuclear.

576
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Yes, sites, Exactly.
They're always spotted there,

577
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,440
whether these Uaps are.
Because here's the thing, it's

578
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,920
not like they're just
benevolent, saying we're just

579
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,680
checking to make sure that
you're not gonna do anything.

580
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,920
There was this Russian situation
where a man had nuclear weapons

581
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,400
pointed at the US.
We haven't pointed at Russia.

582
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Russia hasn't pointed at us.
It was activated.

583
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,320
He didn't push it.
He did not push the button.

584
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,560
But there were sightings of
UAPSUFOS in the area.

585
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,080
This was years ago, and the guy
made the decision to turn it

586
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,560
off.
But this has happened over

587
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,720
multiple nuclear sites and
missile sites where these things

588
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,400
will go off and nobody triggers
it.

589
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,000
So this is a fucking problem
anyway.

590
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
So this red glowing square was.
Clearly not launching the

591
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,640
missiles but somehow engaging
with yes them, like getting them

592
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,360
ready or turning them on.
Turning them on, turning the

593
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,040
systems on and like they have to
power everything down in order

594
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,040
to ensure that nothing happens.
So.

595
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,000
What's the fascination?
Is it God?

596
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840
You go a million questions.
Are they doing it to see if they

597
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,560
can triggered them all at the
same time?

598
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,560
Like if they want to blow up the
world because they need a planet

599
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,680
to inhabit.
I mean, that could be, I didn't

600
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
think of that as being a
possibility, but wouldn't they

601
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,720
get destroyed?
Or maybe they have.

602
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,720
No they don't.
Radiation doesn't bother them.

603
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,840
Yeah, but if they have this kind
of technology, one would think

604
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,960
there are so many nuclear sites.
That they wouldn't have already

605
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,760
done it.
Yeah, absolutely.

606
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Uh huh.
How have they not been able to

607
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,400
do it with all of the
technology, whether it's a

608
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,600
nuclear bomb, a hydrogen bomb,
whatever you want to call it?

609
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,880
How have they never been able to
control something like that when

610
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,480
they can apparently be as large
as like football fields?

611
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,960
And you know, I don't want to
sorry, but like they're they're

612
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600
morphing into different shapes.
Like how could they not fucking

613
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,480
do that, right?
I don't get it.

614
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,719
Right.
So Vanessa Telly, who is the

615
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,239
former US Air Force military
police officer, he said that he

616
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,560
they also saw a large triangular
craft that was, excuse me,

617
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,480
larger than a football field
hovering and then accelerating

618
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,239
away at an impossible speed.
Second time we've heard

619
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,760
impossible speeds.
That's exactly what Dylan said.

620
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,640
I've never seen anything move
this fast.

621
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,680
These are these are military
guys who are involved with the

622
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Air Force.
They see planes and stuff moving

623
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,960
at high speeds all the time.
He also said that there was

624
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120
another, there was a glowing orb
that had maneuvered, disappeared

625
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,320
and reappeared over his house.
OK.

626
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,400
And he said that it was the the
the thing about.

627
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Do you know, was he on base, You
know?

628
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000
I don't know if he lived on base
actually.

629
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Interesting.
That's a really good question.

630
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Because if he didn't, then I
would.

631
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,960
That would be effing nuts.
Yeah, yeah.

632
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,240
That would be a whole different
story.

633
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,520
OK, so you know the kind of
sidetracked tangent, but Louis

634
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Elizondo has a book called
Eminent that is out and you can

635
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,440
listen to it on, you know,
wherever you get your podcasts,

636
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,000
you can listen to him reading
it.

637
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,400
One thing that he talks about is
this phenomena tends to follow

638
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,640
people and it sticks around and
orbs are a big fucking thing in

639
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,960
this world.
He said that he actually trained

640
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,560
to do the psychic shit.
Yeah, like the.

641
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,320
Remote viewing.
Yeah, and he said he had had

642
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,880
orbs.
They'd be in the middle of his

643
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,840
living room or at his friend's
house because he was like around

644
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,520
his friend or was.
Just a house or whatever.

645
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880
So this is a phenomena that
happens a lot.

646
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400
The glowing orb maneuver
disappeared over his house,

647
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,360
right?
And then it receded skyward,

648
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:30,680
right?
Right.

649
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,280
Again, it goes straight up into
the air.

650
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,600
The thing about these incidents,
they were observed by not just

651
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:43,080
him, multiple service members
documented and reported all of

652
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,520
this information that was
happening upward OK, but there

653
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,480
was no, once again, no follow
up, no guidance was ever given.

654
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,200
He also said that some of the
witnesses who had made reports

655
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,200
were intimidated and told to
stay silent.

656
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,280
Believe it.
I believe in that.

657
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,840
I totally agree.
He was trying to go back through

658
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,600
all of these documents because
he was a military place.

659
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,680
And so anytime things like this
happened and people were

660
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,000
admitting like saying, hey,
something weird happened at my

661
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,680
house or whatever, whether it's
just fucking glowing orb, they

662
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,280
have to make a police report.
Military police are just like

663
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,960
normal police.
So, so this stuff was happening

664
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,080
on the base, but he was like,
you know, I'm going to go and

665
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,840
look to see these reports
because I have not heard

666
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,080
anything about it.
He goes, tries asking for him

667
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,280
through, you know, various
channels.

668
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,760
No one's answering.
We don't know what you're

669
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,080
talking about.
Then he tries to submit

670
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,920
requests, you know, nothing.
And then he's told anything

671
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,800
that's done through the military
police.

672
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Any reports that are made are
automatically deleted three

673
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,400
years later, no matter what the.
Retention's three years period.

674
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Period.
Everything's deleted.

675
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,840
We have no record of that.
That's what.

676
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,640
How did he not know the that if
he's a military police officer,

677
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,520
that?
Just doesn't sound.

678
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,920
Right.
It does not sound right.

679
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,080
And how can you not?
How Like in what world do police

680
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,560
officers not hold on to
investigate?

681
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:14,040
And especially in military.
You know the military way better

682
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,920
than I do.
One would like, like, does that

683
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,520
shock you?
They don't.

684
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,000
Purge.
They don't purge things.

685
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200
No, no, that's like makes no
sense.

686
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840
Yeah, that's weird.
I've never heard of that

687
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,960
neither.
So, you know, one of the things

688
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,640
that he asks and the emphasis
that he places Congress really

689
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,400
needs to fund independent
scientific research into UA.

690
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,400
PS This needs actually be
treated like a legitimate field

691
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,960
of science of inquiry, right?
Which makes sense.

692
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,120
He also calls for for the ending
of over classification and

693
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,160
secrecy, saying that hiding
information allows skeptics to

694
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:57,520
dismiss witnesses as cranks as
the, you know, that guy and you

695
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,840
know, the middle of nowhere
who's just a country bunk.

696
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320
And you know, if you continue to
over classify these things and

697
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,000
treat people like they're
fucking idiots for coming

698
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,360
forward, you know, then you're
not going to have as much

699
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,640
information come out.
These whistleblowers, they

700
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,720
really need protection because
witnesses currently are staying

701
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,480
silent because they're afraid of
losing their jobs like Dylan

702
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Borland did.
Losing, you know, any kind of

703
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,040
potential health care, pension,
whatever.

704
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,240
Sure, they're they're choosing
to not do any of that.

705
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,440
Or worse, which word on the
street is that worse has

706
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,560
happened and people have been
eliminated because of?

707
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,120
What they know.
What they know and what they're

708
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,120
wanting to speak out on, there
really does need to be some kind

709
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,720
of protection for these folks.
So the last person I'm just

710
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,120
going to talk about, one of the
few current military officials

711
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,000
he still is, is with the US
Navy.

712
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,120
And the US Navy knew that he was
going to be talking and they

713
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,440
were cool with it.
So Chief Alexandro C Wiggins,

714
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,640
who is AUS Navy senior chief
Petty Officer.

715
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,920
He said, I'm not speaking on
behalf of the Navy, this is

716
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,320
myself, but he talks about an
event, February 15th of 2023, so

717
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,920
quite recent, the most recent of
all of these, while he was

718
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,480
aboard the USS Jackson off the
southern coast of California.

719
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,960
He actually describes observing
Tic Tacs.

720
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,640
Oh, this was the Tic Tac event.
This was not the event itself.

721
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,000
This was an this was another,
another Tic Tac event.

722
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Wow.
Yeah.

723
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Those were like in 12 or
something.

724
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Yeah, exactly.
He says that it was the tic Tac

725
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,720
shape.
It was a self luminous object

726
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,520
emerging from the ocean.
Same thing.

727
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,200
Yes.
And he he says that there's a

728
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,360
transmedium event.
So it came once again from the

729
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,640
water to the air, from the air
to the water.

730
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,040
So it moves between the two.
He was looking at it through

731
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,360
sensors and radar.
And he said that there was video

732
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,520
recorded from the ship's
systems.

733
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,520
All of the objects parted
basically at the same time and

734
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,720
with extremely rapid
acceleration.

735
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Once again, nothing that they
have seen before, he said.

736
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,080
No Sonic boom.
There's no Sonic boom.

737
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Right, our physics do not match
that.

738
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,960
Exactly.
Yeah, No conventional propulsion

739
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,240
once again, and no signature on
radar in person.

740
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,120
Like there was nothing that
looks like anything we knew.

741
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,440
So he said that the event, he's
never seen anything like that.

742
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,000
So the last person I want to
talk about is George Knapp.

743
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,360
George Knapp, our boy, he is
emphasizing that we really need

744
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,200
to have a document trail,
especially with declassified and

745
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,240
FOIA obtain files, which he says
actually contradict the official

746
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,800
narrative.
So documents that he currently

747
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,520
has totally contradict the
official narrative that UA PS

748
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,680
are not a serious phenomena.
The Freedom of of Information

749
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,000
Act.
He's he has documents he's like

750
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,920
this is clearly they're saying
in their own documents, this is

751
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,760
a real threat.
Nobody is taking it seriously.

752
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,160
Why not?
He references in his written

753
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,560
statement a crash retrieval
program and reverse engineering

754
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,800
activity that the US government
has, citing sources, AKA David

755
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,400
Grush, who was at one of these
congressional hearings.

756
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,880
And he has several anecdotal
accounts of material transfers

757
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,840
and anomalous materials, objects
with compositions suggestive of

758
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,840
of construction in zero gravity
environments.

759
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,480
He brings up the ranch, what was
it called?

760
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Skinwalker, Skinwalker Ranch.
And the guy who runs Skinwalker

761
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,320
Ranch as having some of these
materials.

762
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,160
I believe it because he's real
rich and he was just fascinated

763
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,400
by it and he he kind of decided
that he was going to spend his

764
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,920
time and his money on it.
And so, yeah, it wouldn't

765
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,000
surprise me that he has access
to it.

766
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,800
Yeah, and he's working with
Lockheed, they mentioned.

767
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,200
Lucky don't.
Want yes, there's, there's a

768
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,520
couple of others like that.
I can't remember their names off

769
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,360
the top of my head, but yeah,
yeah.

770
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,920
And.
And they're really close.

771
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,320
They're really super tight and
George Knapp knows and he's

772
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,160
willing to say on record this
dude has it.

773
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,200
He has these materials.
Another like huge thing that he

774
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,240
talks about is some Soviet
Russian UFO programs and he says

775
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,760
that he actually got got some
documents in Russia, shared

776
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,840
documents.
Yes.

777
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,240
That that outlined the
organization that they have of

778
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,640
investigations within the USSR
at that time called Threat 3,

779
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,320
which were sub programs within
the USSR to bring together all

780
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,200
of this information and say,
let's treat this seriously.

781
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,080
We're going to treat our
scientists like there's there is

782
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,640
something and like, like we're
going to listen to

783
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,840
whistleblowers.
Dylan Borland had talked about

784
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,120
the crash retrieval programs
because he knew he had known

785
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,560
about these.
And he said, yeah, I can

786
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,520
actually vouch for George Knapp
is saying I I know some of this

787
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,840
information, but he couldn't
specifically talk about.

788
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,520
Yeah, but George Knapp sure can
because he is not.

789
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:24,160
Yeah, exactly.
So I would invite anyone who is

790
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,720
curious to tune into pieces of
this congressional hearing

791
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,600
because to be completely honest,
it is fascinating.

792
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,600
I wouldn't say that that all of
it should be watched at once

793
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,400
because it is 2 1/2 hours.
But this is really important.

794
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,520
And I hope that they bring out
some kind of legislation to

795
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,200
protect whistleblowers because I
think once they do something

796
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,520
solidified, I think we're going
to hear a lot more about the

797
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,240
issues that we have in our
government and the fact that we

798
00:44:55,240 --> 00:45:00,080
are not protecting the citizens
who are really trying to protect

799
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,120
us.
I'm excited to see what happens

800
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,200
and whether or not the Epstein
list gets released after

801
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,040
whistleblower protection
legislation happens.

802
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,320
Another thing that was briefly
revealed was that it's not just

803
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,920
people within these government
programs.

804
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,960
Our legislators currently are
trying to bring forward

805
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,600
legislation and laws to protect
these people, but they are being

806
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,640
stopped because the formatting
is not correct.

807
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,440
One of the senators said staffer
told him he couldn't include

808
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,560
this rider on to a piece of
legislation because it wasn't

809
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,920
formatted correctly.
It's not just military people,

810
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,880
it's everyone who's working
within the government.

811
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,640
So we cannot trust anyone.
Don't trust anyone.

812
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,080
I've said this before, we've
been doing this for several

813
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,800
years now and we have a lot of
podcasts under our belt.

814
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Interestingly, our podcasts
start to connect together when I

815
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:58,600
talked about J Rod how in that
secret area in Nevada we have 52

816
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,680
but it was a like a secret
another like layer in that I

817
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,800
can't remember what it's called
like S something I can't S4 or

818
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,440
something I.
Can't.

819
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,560
I think it is.
Yeah, S4.

820
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,320
How they had recovered parts
that they were reverse

821
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,560
engineering.
Yeah, our boy fucking, you know.

822
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,120
I mean his craft, his own craft.
Like J Rod was brought there.

823
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,000
Yeah, because he crashed.
Then we also had, Oh my God, who

824
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,880
was the nerd who came forward in
the 80s?

825
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,080
It was George Knapp's like first
huge deal, but the guy who

826
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,160
worked.
The work there, yes, Yeah.

827
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,560
Lazar, Lazar, Lazar Lazar.
Worked there and was like, yeah,

828
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,000
I was actually reverse
engineering this stuff.

829
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,960
Yeah, but they only gave these
scientists, these engineers a

830
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,240
tiny, tiny piece, which I'll
tell you what.

831
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,560
And this is what's sudden here.
China's not doing that, nor is

832
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,400
Russia.
They're doing legitimate

833
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,040
scientific research and go
letting their.

834
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,320
Yeah.
Go figure.

835
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,200
But here, who's?
Going to win the race.

836
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Yeah, who exactly?
That That is the point of this,

837
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,480
of this fucking thing.
It's all connecting.

838
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,520
But also, you know who's going
to win?

839
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,400
China and Russia look a lot
better than the US if they're

840
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,120
telling their scientists and
their brightest minds all this

841
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,960
information and not hiding it
right.

842
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Anyway.

843
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Yeah, sorry.
So yeah, now I'll say this

844
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,000
again.
If you guys don't believe that

845
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,280
the stuff is real, then sorry,
you're Cray Cray.

846
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,120
I think that it's just going to
continue to get released.

847
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,480
Like we're going to continue to
have updates on this stuff.

848
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,240
And, you know, there will be a
point in time where people

849
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,000
think, how did we not know about
this?

850
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,840
How did we think that this was
not, you know, how how small our

851
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,040
problems would be if we knew
that we were not the only

852
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,200
intelligent life out there?
Right they.

853
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,320
'D be very small and maybe we
would actually come together and

854
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,480
maybe that's the problem.
I think it would.

855
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,880
I don't want to call out
specific groups, but they're

856
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,640
people that if that was real, I
don't think they could live with

857
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,400
themselves.
Like I think it would be so

858
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,000
contrary to what they believe
that I I think it could be

859
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
harmful to them.
There is like an entire

860
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,880
phenomena that people talk about
within this world.

861
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:23,760
It is so mind altering and world
destroying to think of that.

862
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,320
Yeah.
So if you're listening now, get

863
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,400
into your brain a little bit.
Yeah.

864
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,720
Yeah.
Take a breath, take a little sip

865
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,280
of water, you know, hydrate,
touch some grass.

866
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,520
You know, we're still here and
we'll continue to talk about

867
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,920
this weird shit.
Yeah, we will.

868
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Yeah, It's our place.
Yes.

869
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,280
OK.
Thanks for a great episode.

870
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,400
Yeah, thanks.
OK, See ya.

871
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,440
See ya.
Bye.