TOP SECRET: Project Pegasus and Child Time Travelers

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Hello Bizarre story friends.
If you're tuned in now, you are

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I am Alicia, your Hostess for

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today's episode, and as always,
we ask that you keep an open

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mind.
Keep a skeptical ear, but keep

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on listening to those facts as
we take you on our newest

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journey.
Top secret project Pegasus and

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child time travellers.
Well, hello, Kevin Dia.

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Hello.
How are you?

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Hello.
Hello.

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Can you hear me?
Alien time travelling stuff in

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it.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, is it alien?
I don't know.

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We don't know exactly what's
going to happen, but definitely

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children are involved and
children child.

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Yes.
Yeah, it's always creepy.

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It's like, like Children of the
Corn, Do you know the Children

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of the corner?
You're like.

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Yes.
That is the scariest stuff.

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If a child's just like standing
over my bed smiling, I'm like,

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Oh yeah, they don't.
They could just be.

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They don't even have to Like, I
I think like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just like staring at you
longingly or like, you know, too

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happy and so freaking creepy.
So.

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Pegasus, by the way, Yes,
Remember we talked about the Spy

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in your pocket software and
you're like, I've I've the

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Pegasus.
We were, we were talking about

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this Pegasus.
This was you, the Pegasus you

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were talking about.
This is the Pegasus you know.

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Might be a little you hold on to
your your pants.

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One of those.
Yeah, it's a fun one.

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You're in for a wild ride.
Are you ready?

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Please born ready.
OK, great.

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So you know, we have spoken
about government projects in the

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past and whether whether they
are well known like or, or we,

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we actually know which ones are
well known, which is like

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Project paper clip or the lesser
well known ones, Project

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Bluebeam, which we did almost a
year ago.

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And at first we were like this
is bullshit.

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And then the more and more as
time goes by, we're thinking, I

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don't know, there might be
something like legitimate to

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this.
There's something to some of

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these projects.
But the problem problem with a

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lot of the projects is that
they're fraught with he said,

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she said information.
You can't really verify it.

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It's difficult to source.
And and even like the sources

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that that do come forward, like
are they, you know, even all

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with it?
So what I'm going to say is this

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episode will be very bizarre.
It's not.

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We're not.
Going to have.

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Like like you might be
questioning the the storyteller

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this one, but I'm just going to
ask you got you to just like

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buckle up and make sure to stay
hydrated because this one will

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be a very wild ride.
Perfect.

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I got a bottle of water right
here.

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I'm ready to go.
Good.

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So time travel, do you think
this is possible?

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Oh.
Dear time travel.

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Gosh, I'm up in the air.
I don't know.

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I'm up in the air.
I want it to be true, I guess.

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Yeah, I'm going to say no.
You're going to say no.

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OK, good to know.
Well, OK, so here's the thing.

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Some people do say that it's
possible and that we have little

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bits of proof that this actually
did happen.

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OK.
Look no further to the missing

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cornucopia and the Fruit of the
Loom logo.

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The missing cornucopia and the
Fruit of the Loom logo.

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Remember that you remember the
Fruit of the Loom logo.

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Yeah, and there's a cornucopia.
I think so, yeah.

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There was never a cornucopia in
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Oh my God, you talked about
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What is this?
What is that the?

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Berenstain versus barren stain
bears.

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Yes, we talked about these
things where we Mandela Effect.

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Yes, it's the classic Nelson
Mandela passed away in prison.

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That's where the Mandela Effect
comes from, right?

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And tell tell me a little bit
about it.

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Do you remember?
Can you get the?

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Class Yeah.
So the Mandela Effect is named

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after people thought Mandela was
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People vividly remember him
dying.

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Nelson.
Yeah, that he had died in

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prison.
Right.

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But he didn't, right?
And so the idea, I guess the

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idea behind that is it would
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altering time 'cause I guess I
think the theory is that did

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happen, but then we're on some
other timeline or something that

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it didn't really happen, right?
And yes, so I think people were

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going, OK, it's a time travel.
Is it that timelines are somehow

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crossing Dement paralleled?
You know universes or dimensions

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are crossing right?
Something like that?

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Yeah, people have like these
vivid.

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It's like a vivid memory or like
image, like for instance the

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cornucopia you just said that
you believe.

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I do remember there was another
one that we talked about that I

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was certain.
That it was right.

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Certain, and it's not and I
can't remember what it was.

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I need to go back and watch that
episode because it's great.

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It's weird.
It's totally weird.

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But like, for instance, you
know, the Nelson Mandela Effect,

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there was a whole group that
said Nelson Mandela died in

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prison.
They they were like convinced

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this woman was actually at a
conference and said, I remember

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this, all these people remember
it.

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But there's like some people who
don't remember it and we swear

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we remember like the news coming
on and saying he died in prison.

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He was never now they remember
riots, upheaval, uproar shown on

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TV because of his death, but it
never happened.

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And some say that this is proof
of time travel, that time travel

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does occur.
It's like these little cracks or

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mistakes that show some minor
change in reality due to a

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change that occurred from the
history that we knew.

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It's like the matrix Deja vu,
right?

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Right.
Changed.

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Something changed.
Exactly.

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Something changed.
And like people say Mandela

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Effect or the Butterfly Effect,
you know, there was a movie, but

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the butterfly effect, it's like
classic, there's classic stories

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about it where you step on a
butterfly and that stepping off

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of this pathway, going back in
time, stepping on a butterfly

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has huge catastrophic changes to
the future because everything's

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kind of tied together.
These small repercussion or

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these small like actions have
repercussions for the future due

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to our universe, universe being
intrinsically aligned to every

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living thing in action that
occurs.

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So while I talk about our story
today, I want you to think about

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the Mandela Effect also.
I need to reference that this is

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all based on one person's story,
OK?

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Oh yeah, OK.
So, conjecture, but we're here

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for a good time and not a long
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Yeah, right.
Exactly so.

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Picture this.
Sicily, 1925.

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Oh my God, that's hilarious.
I mean, Morristown, NJ, 1962,

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very different.
And a little boy named Andrew

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Besaggio is born, the youngest
of five children to a seemingly

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normal family.
His father's an engineer working

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for the government, and his
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Besaggio.
He was actually a project

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engineer at the Ralph M Parsons
Company, which was a major US

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defense contractor with DARPA
ties.

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Now, I'm sure you're asking what
DARPA is.

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Do you know what DARPA and.
If I know I've heard it before.

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Yeah.
So DARPA is an acronym for the

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Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency.

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Everything's an acronym with
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So it's an independent research
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the US Department of Defense, or
DoD for short.

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So Department of Defense, DoD,
now it's the same group that was

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actually formed in response to
the Russian launch of Sputnik in

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the late 1950s, 50's.
The Parsons company or the

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defense contractor that little
Andrews Papa worked for were

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actually in deep government tech
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OK.
And this is something we can

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prove.
So one night his father tells

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him that there is a special
program.

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It's a patriotic duty.
There's something that only a

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few gifted children will ever
see.

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OK, So what do they do?
They drive to a nondescript

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building in Woodridge, New
Jersey.

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So inside, there are men in
white coats who stand beside a

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glowing arch of blue light and
radiant energy field.

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He remembers being told to not
fear it, just to walk through

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it.
Oh my God, my, my dad is here.

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He's telling me to walk through
this weird blue arch.

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Got all these stranger doctors
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Which is, I think, scary.
And they're telling me I'll be

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scared walking through it and my
dad's telling me to do it.

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So I'm like, yeah, I probably
would do it.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So in his account, Andrew
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bends, sound folds in on itself,
and then he's standing in Santa

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Fe, NM, hundreds of miles away.
The adults call it

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teleportation.
They tell him that he's a part

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of Project Pegasus, which is a
top secret DARPA initiative

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testing quantum access, the
ability to move through, move

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people through space and time.
Now the children are about,

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they're about 140 of them by his
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Once again, this is all from one
person's perspective.

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So they're about 140 of them.
They're given diagrams of really

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weird devices, right?
One's called a Cronovisor, it's

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said to be to project holograms
of the past, and another one is

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a Tesla derived teleportation
chamber pulsing with

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electromagnetic light.
So yeah, what are your thoughts?

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So, OK, well, first of all,
Tesla was brilliant and we know

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he's developed things that
probably could have done a lot

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more for this world that I think
got suppressed because of money.

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Thomas Edison.
OK, these images, they're

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showing these children pictures
of these things, or they're

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literally showing them these
things.

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So they're showing them
diagrams.

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Diagrams of these devices.
Yeah, because remember, you

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want, you're doing your
patriotic duty as a child and

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you're going to be part of this
program.

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What happened to him in Arizona?
A New Mexico.

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Like he got transported, what
happened?

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To new to New Mexico, OH.
OK, yeah, just, oh, we're

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getting there.
Yeah, Yeah.

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OK.
Yeah.

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OK, so he actually says that the
Cronovisor, which was one of the

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pieces of equipment that he's
talking about, he said it

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consists of two elliptical booms
that are extending from a

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central console, which creates
like a radiant field of energy

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capable of both viewing and
sending people to other points

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in time.
Now, Andrew says that this is

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Nikola Tesla's notes that the
government actually seized after

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Tesla's death in 1943.
I mean, I think that they've

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proven that, you know, they
definitely went through all the

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shit.
So now the scientists, you know,

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assured that the children, these
devices that we're showing you,

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they're totally safe.
Adults, they say, actually

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suffer from disorientation, even
madness.

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But children's minds, they
adapt, which makes sense.

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If a child learns a language,
they can learn it faster due to

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the plasticity in their minds,
right?

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If you and a five year old are
taking a language class, that

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five year old's going to kill
it.

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Yeah, yeah.
And you're going to be like soy

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day.
So it would make sense that, you

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know, there's more plasticity in
their mind.

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So Andrew's initiation ends with
a demonstration.

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The lights dim.
There's a flickering image that

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appears, and a crowd is gathered
together.

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There are flags and a man, man
at a podium.

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Andrew says that he is
witnessing Abraham Lincoln's

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Gettysburg Address live in 1863.
Wearing this Pfizer.

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Just yeah, being projected.
Right.

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Oh my.
OK, I want to believe it's true.

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Right.
So we've seen through the

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Cronovisor and Andrew becomes a
child initiated into a

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government program.
Now this program is top secret.

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And how?
I'm sorry, how old is he?

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Do you remember like single
digits or teenage, excuse me,

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teenager or like how young are
these children that they're

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pulling in here?
I guess they're probably has to

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be in grade.
School, Yeah, he's in grade

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school.
He's no, he's no older than

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like, I don't think he's any
old.

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Like he's not even like a
teenager.

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Yeah, so he has to be like 8.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Gotcha.

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When he's brought into this.
Yeah, OK, OK.

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So he sees this image of of
Abraham Lincoln through the

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Cronovisor giving the Gettysburg
Address and he learns more about

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this program that's top secret
as well as what the purpose is.

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Now, his mission actually had
several testing sites. 1 was

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alleged allegedly at Curtis
Wright, which is where he

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started at in New Jersey and it
served as a sort of jump room or

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teleport where the teleportation
device actually is.

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And that device would then bring
him to New Mexico where the

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Cronovisor was installed.
So it's like these two things

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couldn't exist in the same room.
You had to have one in the other

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place.
Also New Mexico, not as many

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people around New Jersey,
pretty, pretty populated.

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So these were all in an effort
to protect national security,

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which we right.
You have a secret project, Child

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soldiers, right?
Right.

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Yeah, who are the only ones who
can actually like attend this?

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And by the way, you said there's
120 of them.

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Yeah.
Where'd they come from?

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100 and 2000 and 40 by his
guest.

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I guess other scientists,
children.

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Yeah, or like children.
Or like orphanids, orphans.

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I mean, probably.
That's probably exactly, yeah.

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I mean, yeah, so we've all heard
about all the time about like

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everything is in an effort to
protect national security.

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Right, of course.
Yeah.

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Oh, you want.
You like your conversation, your

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personal conversation being
private, like on the phone,

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Right.
Sorry.

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National security.
We're gonna listen to

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everything.
Exactly.

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You could be a spy, Right?
Right.

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And at that time, actually, the
Cold War was in full effect and

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the Russians were moving
exceptionally.

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Like quick in literal space,
Right?

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Weapons, espionage.
So why not time travel?

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Sure.
I mean if we can get ahead of

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our enemy in time.
Makes sense?

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Yeah, We can change the
trajectory of the US, of the

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United States, of different
countries who are our

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adversaries.
Like, of course, if you can go

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back in time and control like
Hitler being born, change the

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future, you can totally change
the future.

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What government wouldn't do
that?

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Right.
What government wouldn't do

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that?
I mean, what would be your first

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thing if you were to travel back
in time?

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What would you want to do or
see?

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Gosh, wow, that's a I've never
thought about it.

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I've never thought about it.
You could do so much like this.

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Sounds so self-centered, but I
think I would probably pick the

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right Lotto numbers.
Would you?

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Yeah.
Then you wouldn't have to worry

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about working or whatever.
I mean, they say that like there

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are time cops.
Have you heard of that?

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Oh, of course, yeah, yes, in
fact, Loki, I don't know if you

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ever watched that series.
They have to manage him in his

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time travelling the and then
they have.

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They have.
I can't remember what it's

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called, but they're monitoring
all the timelines to make sure

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they're not intersecting or do
anything weird or changing

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course.
And yeah, like hurting.

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Which would make sense.
If this was a real thing, you

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would have to manage it,
otherwise things could get out

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of complete control.
Oh 100% yeah.

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So you would have to and like
and like.

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What are the ramifications of of
someone?

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Like you said, the butterfly
effects like one tiny looking

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could just completely alter the.
Course, who doesn't want the

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cornucopia in their logo?
I'd much rather deal with that

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than like an alternative.
So according to Besaggio,

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Project Pegasus is like Chrono
Access Technologies, which were

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the teleportation and time
travel and like the Cronovisor,

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like observation, they had a
variety of operational goals.

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And some of them, like one of
the claims was for temporal

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reconnaissance and observation,
right?

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So children were sent back in
time to view actual like

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historic events, AKA like, you
know, Abraham Lincoln,

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Gettysburg Address, which we
will get to later because let me

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tell you, there is photographic
proof that we're going to be

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talking.
About today, my God.

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Yeah, super exciting.
So the Cronovisor is actually

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was was described to see not
just past events but also future

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events.
It wasn't only the past.

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Really.
It was just time travel in any

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direction.
Oh my God.

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Uh huh.
See, that's the direction I

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would want to go.
Was in the future, yeah.

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You wouldn't want to go in the
past, No.

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Well, you wouldn't whisper
anything into your ear aside

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from winning.
The lottery letters, you

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wouldn't do it because I don't
have any other.

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I don't have regrets about
anything.

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I I'm with you.
Yeah.

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So I mean, sure, there's things
I would have loved to have done,

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but I can do those in the future
if I really wanted to, right?

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I think so, yeah, absolutely.
I like for me, I I think of I

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probably would have told myself
like you are great.

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Don't do these certain things.
Not, not so much.

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Don't do these certain things.
I'd probably like try to instill

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more of like a you're a
wonderful person.

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Don't doubt yourself, just
fucking run for shit like don't.

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I'd probably be like a
cheerleader, but then then I'd

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me being the scared one of
aliens, I'd be like, that's

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fucking alien who's trying to
tell me too good or like to do

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this.
I'm going to do the exact

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opposite.
So he was saying that the chrono

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or the chronovisor is actually
going to.

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So it doesn't just see the past,
it also sees future.

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And it's it's via like
holographically or quantum

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access.
So it's not necessarily

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physically travel like in every
case.

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Sure, it's a case by case basis.
Yes, it's not like you're

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literally there, but it's you
can just see it.

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You can see it.
Yeah, yes, yeah.

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And he said that not every lab
would allow people to people to

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physically travel.
So like, you would go like when

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he went to the New Mexico lab,
he just saw the Gettysburg

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Address being given.
He didn't like he wasn't there.

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Travelling back in time?
Right, right.

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So some labs actually had the
ability for you to travel.

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Physically be there.
Yeah, but that was not every

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single one of them and including
children, right?

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So some people, some of some
were adults, but adults tended

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to go mad.
We went a little crazy, like

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their brains were just couldn't.
Process.

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It.
Yeah, Yeah.

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So they tried to.
That's why they brought kids

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into it.
OK.

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Yeah.
Just yeah.

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Torture the kids.
It's totally fine.

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Yeah.
Who cares?

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They they don't know anything.
They'll get over it.

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Yeah.
So these people would be

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transported or teleported from
one site to another and also

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across time, context.
So for example, from New Jersey

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to New Mexico or even back to
the historic moments.

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So he also states that the
operation sometimes of involved

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adjacent timelines or alternate
realities.

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Oh, my God.
Yeah.

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So you know, I've told you
before that my kryptonite is

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time.
Have we told you this before?

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No.
So like for example, if I'm

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coding or doing something around
time, it's I, I can't do it.

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It's like it's, it's hard for
me.

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It's it takes a long time.
Like for some reason my brain

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does not process like
calculating time.

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Like here's here's an example
departure and arrivals of

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airline flights Blows my fucking
mind because you have to think

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about it crossing time zones and
the amount of time it takes and

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they get it down to like the
minute and I'm like, at that

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time I'm like, OK, blind, mind
blowing.

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Like I can't grasp it.
And so here it makes my mind

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kind of pop.
Right.

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Right nuts.
And you have these you on top of

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time travel and seeing now
you're talking about timeline

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timelines, that seems very
messy.

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It has the capability of being
incredibly messy, right?

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So another one of their claims
right is or one of the things

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that that they are using time
travel for is for future pre

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identification and strategic
advantage.

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Future identification.
Yeah.

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So one of the goals was to
identify future US presidents

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and other leaders for like
through temporal reconnaissance.

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So they would.
Like go into the future, see who

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was the president.
Yeah, so they would go into the

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future and see who was the OR
they'd already be where the

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president was, and they'd go
into the past and talk to them

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or interact with them as a
child.

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Completely changing the freaking
future.

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Right.
And giving, giving the program

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even more of an edge, right?
A strategic edge.

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Hey, we want to, whether it's
just like for intelligence or

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defense purposes or for keeping
this program alive.

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Hey, no, no, we're totally
friends with you.

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Look, I, you'll know me.
You'll Remember Me.

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I'm this person.
Sure.

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Who's in your cabinet or
whatever?

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Yeah, gotcha.
Oh God.

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There's also another claim to
use was to teleport or deploy

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assets in time or space like
adversaries.

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So, so like, let's say we have
people who are, you know, it's

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a, but it's a bunch of like
Marines and the Marines are put

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into a position where our enemy,
like, let's say the Russians

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have no idea that they're there.
We just like kind of teleport

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them there.
So they're totally caught off

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guard.
They don't show up on any kind

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of like signal or whatever.
So it's really just teleporting,

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teleporting assets in time and
space.

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I'm so they couldn't see an
attack or a movement coming or,

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or it could be undone before it
even happened.

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So that movie, Oh my God, with
like Leonardo DiCaprio and

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Joseph Gordon love it and.
I don't know.

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Oh God what the fuck is do they
time travel?

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Kind of.
It's like dreaming but like.

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Yeah, in an inception.
Inception, yeah.

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Yeah, you know how like they're
you're kind of fucking around

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with like reality.
Yes, yeah.

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Yeah, so.
So, yeah.

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So you could undo something that
already happened instead of or

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Fuck, why did I not think about
this Hermione Granger from Harry

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Potter?
My God.

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Yeah, right.
Are you kidding me?

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Right.
So another another thing is like

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they suppressed advanced
technology.

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So he said that like teleport,
that teleportation time travel

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tech developed under Project
Pegasus was not shared publicly.

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It was actually held by the
defense establishment as a

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classified black program.
Yeah, you don't say.

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Yeah, exactly.
You have more of a fucking

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advantage.
So the claim is that if your

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adversary doesn't even know that
you can move through time, then

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you have more power.
Of course.

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They don't know that you have
that, but you're silently or

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quietly influencing them, right?
And then no pictures could be

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taken of you with Bubba.
Right.

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Anyway, so this is like one of
the things that Andrew Bosagio

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talks about a lot is like, you
know what they actually gained?

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Like he's like, I was involved
in this project as a child for a

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while.
And I can tell you, I can give

462
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,400
you proof of what the DoD or the
Department of Defense has gained

463
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,360
by this.
Roof OK.

464
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,280
Yeah, so intelligence
superiority.

465
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,560
So because that they know, they
know of like past events and

466
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,360
future ones, right.
The US could know the exact

467
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:19,880
intention of adversaries of like
your enemy, the leaders, or even

468
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480
the vulnerabilities before any
spies on the ground actually

469
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,480
even know.
Sure, that makes you like.

470
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,480
OK, I already know why this is
happening.

471
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,600
You have an advantage of
teleportation in time, which

472
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,240
means that you could force
position like your army or

473
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,640
whatever before it was called
for him.

474
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,360
And he says that that the
government was able to alter

475
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,920
events so that the enemy never
even knew a movement occurred

476
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,760
and this would happen all the
time.

477
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,360
Couldn't I just plop into the
Kremlin and shoot somebody in

478
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,320
the head and plop out?
Well, but then you also have to

479
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:59,000
think about how it would affect
time, right?

480
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,120
Maybe.
And this is like a philosophical

481
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,240
thing, but we talk about this or
this is like a topic lot.

482
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,320
You have Adolf Hitler.
Yeah, if he wasn't the big bad,

483
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,720
who is the big bad, right.
It's still, you're still going

484
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,160
to have someone who's going to
do some horrendous shit on a

485
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,760
massive scale eventually.
Yeah, eventually.

486
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,400
Right.
So is it even worse?

487
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Right, gotcha.
It's like, I don't know.

488
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,160
I don't know what the.
Answer is to.

489
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,840
That, yeah, Who does?
Right.

490
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,160
I don't want to know.
But he was saying that they

491
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,400
would actually groom leaders.
You have leadership grooming,

492
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,360
right?
You identify the future leaders

493
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,640
and then the US could influence
or groom those later leaders as

494
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,320
they're growing up and even
later by and then that would

495
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,800
allow them to shape geopolitics.
So that would happen a lot.

496
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,240
And he actually even talks about
Barack Obama being involved in

497
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,160
this program.
Really.

498
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,560
Yeah.
He said yeah, he actually.

499
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,040
As a child or.
As a child and so he but he this

500
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,880
is where it gets like really
muddy.

501
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,720
He says that he saw him in the
future and actually on Mars.

502
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,520
So they went.
There was a.

503
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,960
I'm sorry.
Wait.

504
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Back up.
Yeah.

505
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,760
He saw.
He personally, Yes.

506
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,720
Saw Barack Obama?
Yes.

507
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,080
On Mars, yes, but it was in like
a different timeline where he

508
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,320
wasn't necessarily president.
Gotcha.

509
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,160
OK.
OK, It makes a lot of sense.

510
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,640
So another thing they always
talk about is like the

511
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,080
technology monopoly, you know?
Yeah, he's like, you know, if

512
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,320
you hold on to this technology
that we have, like, or other

513
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,920
forms of technology, right?
Like we are the ones who are

514
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,360
creating the technology.
We are the ones who are also

515
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:49,480
maintaining the power.
So not just militarily, but

516
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,160
economically and politically.
So everyone else believes that,

517
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,720
you know, we're within the
normal linear time.

518
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,200
In reality, it's like, no, we're
just like cheating.

519
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,160
So if one thing that he talks
about is if time travel is real,

520
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,800
but hidden denial itself would
be a weapon.

521
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:11,760
So people wouldn't even believe
it if you said yeah, no, no, we

522
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,360
can time travel.
Right.

523
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,080
And who?
Well, I don't, no.

524
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,360
Duh.
So he says.

525
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,600
That's more proof.
That's more proof that it's

526
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,520
actually happening.
OK, so it sounds like a whole

527
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:31,120
lot of bunk, right?
I'm.

528
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,520
Can I just get, can I just like
tell you another thing?

529
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Yeah.
OK.

530
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Let's talk about when he goes
forward in time into 2045, OK,

531
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,480
What happens in the future?
OK.

532
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800
So he actually says that via
Project Pegasus, he was sent to

533
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,840
the year 2045, and that in that
year he describes having being

534
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,480
shown a structure made of
emerald and tungsten steel.

535
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,360
OK.
And it was a building that

536
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,840
exemplifies an advanced future
architect and society

537
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640
architecture in its society,
which, I don't know, sounds like

538
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
the Emerald City.
You're just talking about the

539
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Emerald City.
Andrew, did you read that?

540
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,200
Sit down.
So he says that he was given a

541
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,080
miniature canister of microfilm
from a future site which

542
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,880
allegedly contained knowledge of
every historical event up to

543
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,680
that time.
OK, sorry, pause.

544
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Just confirm what I just heard.
He said that he was given

545
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,240
microfilm from the future.
Is the did I hear that correctly

546
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,000
some?
People call it microfiche.

547
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,440
That makes so much sad.
Oh my fucking God, wait a

548
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,240
second.
That's exactly what that's that.

549
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,640
Okay, get it right.
So every, and not just not just

550
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,040
like, hey, we're gonna show you
who really assassinated JFK.

551
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,640
It was every historical event up
to that time.

552
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,920
On microfiche.
A miniature canister.

553
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,320
OK, So ultimately, you know,
he's implying that his future

554
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,840
visit or his mission had a
strategic and like intelligence

555
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:20,160
value that he was getting future
knowledge to from the US, which

556
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:27,040
actually, OK, we're talking
about him as a kid, which micro

557
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800
fish was or like microphone was
a thing, right.

558
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,160
So maybe in 2045 they still that
was like the only way that they

559
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:47,200
could have they could have them.
Oh my God, I'm the one who's

560
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,960
telling this one.
OK, let me cry.

561
00:30:53,280 --> 00:31:02,200
OK, so whatever.
That's Andrew, but that's Andrew

562
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,320
for you.
So now let me tell you more

563
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,400
about this 2045.
So he says that actually it

564
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,200
serves as the future mirror
counterpart to his visits to

565
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,120
past events.
So whenever you have a past

566
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560
event, you have to mirror with a
future Future event, OK.

567
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840
OK.
So it like so.

568
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,680
If you go in the future, you
have to go in the past.

569
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,720
Yes.
OK.

570
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,880
Yeah.
So you don't, you can't just do

571
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,200
1.
You have to like.

572
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,960
It has to be.
Both and does it have to be you?

573
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,320
It has to be you.
OK, So it actually completes the

574
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,400
time travel arc, is what he
says.

575
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080
So you have to have past
observation and future

576
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,120
reconnaissance.
So like you can't have one with

577
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040
the the other.
That's how it works.

578
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,440
He says it actually raises the
stakes of the program and that

579
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,040
if the children and Project
Pegasus could retrieve data from

580
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,800
the future, then the program
isn't just about teleportation

581
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,520
or seeing the past.
It's really about strategic

582
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,080
intelligence across time, which
would make sense.

583
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,840
And it under grids, his public
platform claim that he's seen

584
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,880
things that others haven't.
And he calls himself like a

585
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000
whistle blower.
I don't know.

586
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960
He's like I do.
You know, how old was he when

587
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,880
he's like whistle blowing, do
you know?

588
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,800
He's older, he's not 18 when
he's doing it.

589
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,440
He's not 15 when he's doing it.
I I do think that the micro fish

590
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,640
in 19 in 2045 is a hilarious
thing, but it is actually legit.

591
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,040
Like that is legitimate.
It is legitimate that that by

592
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,200
and large, the more the
technology that you have, you'd

593
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
be able to view that anywhere,
right?

594
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,040
So if you're in the middle of
BFE, you can read the micro fish

595
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,560
or whatever.
But the interesting thing I

596
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,520
think is like that he talks
about these future mission

597
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,800
positions within Project Pegasus
as not just simply a curiosity,

598
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,440
but as really a tool of national
strategy.

599
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
So it's really like really the
question is like, what would a

600
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,720
future visit change in the past?
Like, how is it that what he's

601
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,080
doing, how is he not fucking up
the current world?

602
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Right.
So there are some issues with

603
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,880
the story.
OK.

604
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,760
One of them is that it's just
him who's talking about it.

605
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040
None of his cronies are coming
forward.

606
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Like nobody else is going.
Yeah, me too.

607
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Yeah, by the way, yeah, this guy
has, like, a legitimate job

608
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,360
today.
Today.

609
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,760
What did he do?
I mean, aside from, like, talk

610
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,320
about this weird shit.
He's a lawyer and he ran for

611
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,000
president, but apparently he
could not tell from going back

612
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,160
or going into the future.
He blew it that.

613
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,440
He wouldn't know he blew it,
that he would not win like.

614
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Blew it.
Dude messed up.

615
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,639
And he's, I think he was, he did
like in the last election.

616
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:15,520
He also tried, but no cigar.
So so the issue is like he it's

617
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,040
only him.
He doesn't have anyone else

618
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,560
coming.
And you know, his statements are

619
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,760
really only retold by like,
fringe media, right?

620
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,360
Yeah, yeah.
Which yours truly?

621
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:35,679
Like the bizarre?
We are on one right now.

622
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,239
OK, so now this like he's
talking about a project and he's

623
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,600
like, you know, these are black.
This is a black budget project.

624
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,520
The issue is there are tons of
black budget projects, right,

625
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,880
that have not been declassified
and this is not been

626
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120
declassified.
We don't think that it really

627
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,639
exists.
It was.

628
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,560
Never.
It was, it wasn't.

629
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,960
It wasn't there.
So the one thing that I I think

630
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,160
is really interesting is he does
say that there's photographic

631
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,480
proof.
Yeah, you were mentioning

632
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,080
photographs.
In 1863, he went back in time

633
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:19,240
right to 1863, right?
And he travels back in time to

634
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,040
witness.
He doesn't just see it, he goes

635
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,880
back in time to witness the
Gettysburg.

636
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Address.
This wasn't the projection, this

637
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,640
was literal physical.
Him actually going there and he

638
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,680
he says that he actually appears
as a boy in the crowd.

639
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Now, he had described this for
like a while and said, hey, I

640
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,280
actually found the picture
because I saw this guy who was a

641
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,480
photographer because they had
the big old, you know.

642
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Box.
Yes, yes, yes.

643
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,080
Photograph and you'd have to put
your head underneath it.

644
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,000
And yes, it was like a light
like, yeah, so it was a it was a

645
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,080
flash.
And he saw this guy setting up

646
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,520
and he's like, I can't look
directly in the camera because

647
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,800
if I do, they will be able to
like trace me back in time.

648
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,360
So he said he was in the middle
of the field and was wearing

649
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,160
shoes that were not the right
size for him and his clothes

650
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,400
were not, you know, correct.
He's like, I, I don't know the

651
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,320
exact reasoning behind it, but
he said, you know, it was hard.

652
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Like they just he was just a
very small kid.

653
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
So he was wearing adult shoes
that fit with the time period,

654
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,920
but he couldn't he didn't have
like ones that weren't like

655
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,320
sneakers or converse or
whatever.

656
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,960
So he had these big shoes on,
everything was oversized and

657
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400
he'd been describing this
picture and he's like, I finally

658
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,520
I found it.
I found it in an archive.

659
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:47,080
And so I, we have the picture
today and this is the picture of

660
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,160
him realizing that Oh my God,
there's a camera.

661
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,880
There's a a camera of this and
like if you look in the

662
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,880
background, maybe not in this
picture, but in the in the

663
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,720
background of of this picture,
you can see Lincoln and he

664
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,680
wanted to listen to Lincoln give
the the.

665
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,600
Address, but I mean like I think
you can see top hats.

666
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,240
Well, yeah, so he's in, he's in
the background.

667
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,120
I believe it's one in one of the
corners, but it's at Gettysburg

668
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,240
and he's there and he realizes
that he's like standing right in

669
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:28,680
the center of the of the photo.
OK, face.

670
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,480
So for those of you that are
just listening, it's he's you

671
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,000
can see this big crowd of people
in the background.

672
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,480
They're facing away.
Then there's this large kind of

673
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
gap opening with a few
stragglers kind of standing

674
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,600
around chit chatting.
And right in the middle is this

675
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:55,960
what appears to be a young male
standing, just standing there

676
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,640
with his looks like his hands in
his pockets, kind of just

677
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,040
looking off to the right.
But actually kind of cheating

678
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,080
towards the camera.
Right.

679
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,320
Yep, cheating towards the camera
face is completely blurred.

680
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,040
Of course, everyone's face is
blurred.

681
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Anybody's face, really.
I I don't.

682
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,240
I mean, it looks like big shoes.
Yeah, I guess.

683
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,520
And, you know, that's the one
thing that he always would bring

684
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,560
up is like, I had like kind of
basic, like shoes that were way

685
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,120
too big for me.
Yeah, it kind of looks like that

686
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,120
from that picture.
They don't look like they go

687
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,120
with the suit.
And the suit looks.

688
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,880
Baggy and baggy.
Interesting.

689
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Yeah.
So he talks about other like

690
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,880
some of the claims like that's
like a major one.

691
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,040
He's like, I have, there's
actually photographic proof now.

692
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,920
I got into trouble.
There could be ramifications for

693
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,840
that picture existing of me in
the present or in the future.

694
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Right.
OK, well sorry dude, no one on

695
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680
this planet could tell that that
is you.

696
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Not possible.
Well, you know, he's a very

697
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,080
important guy.
He's a very important.

698
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,360
Guy.
OK, so like another one that he

699
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,520
goes to see was he claims that
he had a mission the night of

700
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,360
the assassination of Abraham
Lincoln at Forrest Theatre.

701
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,080
And he during this mission, he
actually meets an alternate

702
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,440
version of himself.
So he runs into his own his self

703
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,760
from a different like timeline.
And he cites that often he says

704
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,200
that he had to go back in time
to this one particular moment to

705
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,320
talk to someone.
And because he constantly had to

706
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,280
do that, if there was there was
a mission, he had to speak to a

707
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,960
a specific individual and he had
to get into this.

708
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,400
And it wasn't a place with
reservations, but it was like

709
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,240
you had to walk.
Oh, it was like a, a dinner.

710
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,120
And so you had to have an
invitation.

711
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,960
And he would always say, oh, my,
you know, my dad's already in

712
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,920
there.
I, you know, I just forgot my

713
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,000
invitation.
And if there was a certain

714
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,040
person sitting, like taking the
reservations as you walked in or

715
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
the cards, they would never let
you in.

716
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,360
And but if there was like this
woman with her daughter, he had

717
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,040
the chance of getting let in.
So he had to continue to

718
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,280
replicate going into this area
on that same day that he died to

719
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,280
speak to someone.
It was a mission.

720
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,880
What the mission was, I don't
know.

721
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,560
I don't think he knows.
But he said that because of that

722
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,320
he would go multiple times and
he actually ran into himself

723
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,840
doing it, which is.
Kind of ran into himself doing

724
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,480
what he was just doing.
Yes, OK.

725
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:56,560
Yeah.
So in the 1980s he said that he

726
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,240
that was when his teleportation
to Mars happened through the

727
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,840
jump room, which is where the
settlements or contact missions

728
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:10,000
with others like Barack Obama
had gone to and his youth so.

729
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,720
And why did he go to Mars?
Did he say?

730
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,840
You know, once once again, you
always had to go back in time

731
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,880
and then forward in time, right
and he was getting for the Mars

732
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,360
mission.
He had to get like all of the

733
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,280
future, everything, every major
event that happened in time

734
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,280
between his where he was at and
then what at night 2045.

735
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,200
So they had to give that all in
the micro fish remember like

736
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,640
the.
Right.

737
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,280
Micro fish, yeah.
The micro fish, right?

738
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,040
So ultimately the evidence, the
Gettysburg picture, which when I

739
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,560
first heard about this story,
I'm like, Oh my God, we have

740
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,080
real proof of a time traveller.
Like I, I didn't know the whole

741
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,600
stories.
And when I was like, looking at

742
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,120
this, doing this story, I
thought, this is going to be

743
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,560
really cool because there's
freaking photographic evidence.

744
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,840
Right, right.
It's like that.

745
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Hold on, I'm losing her name.
She's from South Africa.

746
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,160
Charlize Theron.
Did a movie where the guardians,

747
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,840
I think it's what it's called
and she they don't die and so

748
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,360
there's pictures of her from
like 18 O 9.

749
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,680
You can see her.
It's the same kind of concept

750
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,320
where you're like, wow, that's
crazy.

751
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:35,360
There are some people in history
that are like that and we could

752
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,200
totally do it up.
I've actually been wanting to do

753
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,720
an episode about it, but it's
like like you see the same

754
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:45,200
person in an oil painting, then
in like an early photograph and.

755
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,840
Exactly.
Exactly.

756
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,320
Yeah, you're like, what the
fuck?

757
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,840
Yeah, yeah.
So.

758
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600
So this Gettysburg photograph,
this was the thing that really

759
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,320
brought me in and I'm.
Like, well, yeah, the finally,

760
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,200
it's the, it's the smoking gun.
It would be the smoking gun.

761
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,800
Yeah, so.
His claim that he was part of

762
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Project Pegasus when he was
around 10 years old, so around

763
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,520
1970.
That is when he was teleported

764
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,560
to Gettysburg, PA the day of
that address.

765
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,360
And now he says that, OK, so
here are all the details about

766
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,480
his outfit, that he arrived
wearing oversized men's clothes

767
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,520
and boots supplied by by the
project handlers who And they

768
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,160
didn't realize what size he was.
It was way too big for him.

769
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600
And he wandered among the crowd
feeling disoriented and

770
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,680
eventually realized what day it
was.

771
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,000
According to him, a union
photographer captured him

772
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
standing near a group of
soldiers.

773
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,080
And that photograph now appears
in the National Archives now.

774
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,760
Yeah, he didn't find it.
And just like any archive, it

775
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,040
was the National Archives.
You can actually look at it it.

776
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,160
It's the part of the Matthew
Brady Collection, if you go to

777
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,320
the, like, National Archive.
So he says that this is actually

778
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,440
proof of a success, successful
transport that he had made and

779
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,760
points out to himself.
Then he also sensed that because

780
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,680
he can say that the little boys
like boots and clothes are not

781
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,240
fitting, you know, you can tell
that he had arrived from another

782
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:16,240
time.
Well, that makes.

783
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:16,680
Sense.
Yeah, yeah.

784
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,480
Then he also claims that other
children from the program also

785
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,080
made some like similar
observation trips, but actually

786
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,840
didn't appear in in photographs.
So he was like the only one who

787
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,200
had gotten caught in it.
Now this picture is a legit

788
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,440
picture.
It's not something that has been

789
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,680
like doctored.
Right.

790
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Yeah.
It's well documented.

791
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,560
It's in the National Archives
for, you know, goodness sakes.

792
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,120
Yeah.
Now, it was taken by Matthew

793
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,400
Brady or one of his assistants
around the time of the address

794
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,880
in 1863.
We don't know if it happened

795
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,440
before or after, but, you know,
we just have the picture.

796
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,640
The image has actually been
preserved and then U.S.

797
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,360
National Archives and has been
publicly displayed and analyzed

798
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,720
for, like, decades now.
One of the claims that Passaggio

799
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,560
says is how would I have known?
How could I tell you?

800
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,680
Oh, my God, here's the photo.
I just happened to stumble upon

801
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,920
this and there's photographic
proof of me standing in the

802
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040
center of, you know, right
before the Gettysburg Address.

803
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,760
It's been on.
It's on been on display for

804
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,040
sure.
Exactly.

805
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,920
So that's, you know, he's seen
it actually, the Civil War

806
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,800
historians to identify the
figures as Union soldiers and

807
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,640
local civilians.
And the child is actually

808
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,560
believed to be a messenger or a
drummer boy, not a 20th century

809
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,000
time traveler.
So they were saying that the

810
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,560
experts who have looked at this
picture and were have been asked

811
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,160
by weirdos like me to say, tell
me, is this legitimate or could

812
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,720
this really be a time traveler?
They have to look at you and

813
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,760
scoff and say, OK, look, it's
his clothing's period, period,

814
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,760
correct?
And it's not modern, right?

815
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,240
There's no visible photographic
anomaly right in the area Which.

816
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,720
What's the picture of a boy?
Yeah, it's just a picture of a

817
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,800
boy.
It's not like he just was, you

818
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,280
know, teleported by the
chronometer or whatever.

819
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,400
And there's also no record that
connects passaggio to the to

820
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,960
that material, that source
material prior to his claims in

821
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,000
the 1990s.
Now this is like fucking 100

822
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,960
years after, after this picture
was taken.

823
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040
You'd think he would have said
it like, I don't know, right

824
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,920
after it happened.
Oh my God, they took a picture

825
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,600
of me.
So he actually says that the

826
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,920
photo, he has a reason why you
can see it.

827
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,680
It's because it was accidentally
declassified.

828
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,520
There have been other time
travellers who have gotten

829
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,000
caught, but they classify the.
Photos.

830
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,720
When he rediscovered it as an
adult, he actually experienced

831
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,320
shock when he recognized
himself.

832
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
There's a lot of recognizable
features on that.

833
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,040
Picture right?
Oh yeah.

834
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,400
Yeah.
In fact, it looks like me when I

835
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,560
was 10.
Yes.

836
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,720
And you and Andrew Besaggio look
don't look anything like

837
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:02,680
trusting.
So he actually says that like

838
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,880
that his Tele, it's evidence for
his teleportation account and

839
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:11,560
that this is a a visual
centerpiece and like to show

840
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,760
that this exists, right?
And he actually argues that the

841
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,360
government underestimated how
public archives could eventually

842
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,240
expose their secrets.
He's taking them down.

843
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:24,520
And the photograph really is
proving that Project Pegasus

844
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,400
achieved operational time travel
by 1970.

845
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,160
OK, well, it doesn't.
But here's what Here's what

846
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,280
bothers me.
Let me just say this How awful

847
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,600
would it be if you were trying
to convince somebody of

848
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,280
something and all they did was
just scoff at you?

849
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,960
But it was real.
Oh my God.

850
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,520
It'd be so frustrating.
It would be so if you're like,

851
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,200
no, no, no, I promise this is
real.

852
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Literally, that's me.
Yeah, this is actually me.

853
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,880
Like, I did this and you're
like, yeah, sure, Andrew.

854
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Another crazy story.
He's like, fuck, I know.

855
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,640
You know, I wasn't able to take
anything with me.

856
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,720
They searched me before like I
like they dressed.

857
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:09,240
He not brought microface from
2024 or 42, then I might have

858
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,320
believed this story.
Right, if you would have like

859
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,680
put one.
You would have had like a little

860
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,440
holographic disc.
Something like something that

861
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,800
like proved it.
I think, you know, there are a

862
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,000
couple of things that we can
point to.

863
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,040
Like one, if that were true,
yes, that would be a very like,

864
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,800
it would be incredibly
frustrating.

865
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,840
It'd be cool like to know that's
actually happened, but you'd be

866
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,320
incredibly frustrating to know
that nobody believed us.

867
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,120
But also, like some experts
actually try to frame this in a

868
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,640
psychological context and
they'll say that his

869
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,080
identification with this boy,
because he's like really, really

870
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,520
like, this is like his one thing
that he's constantly clinging

871
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,160
to.
It's actually symbolic.

872
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,320
And it's more of a projection of
his inner child's experience of

873
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,200
being sent into history rather
than a literal teleportation.

874
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:08,320
Meaning maybe he had to regress
for some reason mentally as a

875
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,400
child, which makes him like
cling on to this story and to

876
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,960
create this like narrative.
That's really not true.

877
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,240
Gotcha.
So the way that he talks about

878
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,240
it, she just goes on and on and
on.

879
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:27,960
And I in the show notes, I will
have a link which if you are

880
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,720
wanting to, you know, listen to
something that's total run on

881
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,680
sentence for six hours straight.
No joke, six hours.

882
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,040
I, I can't tell you much about
the guy because it's just run on

883
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,800
sentence for six hours.
But you know, this guy is like,

884
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,720
very, he's really passionate
about what he's doing, like,

885
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,360
even if he doesn't.
He believes it.

886
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,200
He he 100% believes that and you
have to wonder where that's

887
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,680
coming from.
It's kind of like Bob Lazar is

888
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,480
the one that worked in Area 51,
right?

889
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,840
You know, he talks about all
this.

890
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,600
People told him he was crazy,
remember?

891
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,840
Yeah, he would see all this
stuff and people told him it was

892
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,160
crazy, kind of like that hand
scanner thing, like people, and

893
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,840
he couldn't.
Like, there's no way it's not

894
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,680
like that.
Exists, dude.

895
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,320
And then he finally found a
picture of it, right?

896
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Yeah, it's like him.
Where he is so clear and

897
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,880
articulate about stuff that you,
you can't doubt him because he

898
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,680
so believes it.
Yes, right.

899
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,440
And he can articulate everything
because he so believes in it.

900
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,000
This guy kind of sounds like,
although I haven't heard him

901
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,080
talk, but he sounds like he
believes that he believes it.

902
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,160
He definitely believes that
there's a there is a difference.

903
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,720
Like I feel like with Bob, like
Bob Lazar, the reason he came

904
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,000
out was because he was afraid of
his life ending.

905
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,160
This guy is not afraid of that
And or I mean, he's running for

906
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,400
president, you know.
Right, see this.

907
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,960
This creates conflict.
There's like a cognitive

908
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,680
dissonance here with this guy
and he's interesting, but a lot

909
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,760
of it just does not make sense.
And I'd, it could just be

910
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,760
because I've not been to the
future and the past, but my like

911
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,480
plebeian, the human brain cannot
understand it at all.

912
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,320
I just kind of wanted to talk
about time traveller and I've

913
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,000
always wanted to talk about this
fucking.

914
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,400
Story.
Oh my God it was the best.

915
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:30,000
This was such a fun episode.
It's super like light hearted,

916
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,600
you know, which is important
when you're talking about heavy

917
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,040
topics, which we are talking
about a lot of heavy topics

918
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,360
sometimes.
So yeah, I don't take yourself

919
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,200
too seriously, right?
In a world of, I don't know, Kim

920
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Kardashian's being Andrew
Basagio.

921
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Yes, yeah, I'm creating a bumper
sticker.

922
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,600
Seriously.
Cool.

923
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,320
Thank you for.
Great.

924
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,440
Thank you.
OK.

925
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,720
See ya, see ya.
Bye.