Doomsday Preppers - Crazy people? Or just smarter than most?

0:00 Hello, bizarre Story friends, you've tuned into the Bizarre AF, a place where we talk about the strange, the unusual, the unknown, and all things bizarre AF. I'm Kevin. I'm going to be your host for today's episode, and as always, we ask that you keep an open mind. Keep a skeptical ear, but keep listening to those facts as we take you onto our newest journey. Doomsday preppers, paranoid and crazy or logical and aware? Well hello my bizarre story friends please help me welcome my Co host tests with the most tests. Alicia, how you doing?

1:08 How you doing? How you doing? How you doing? How's how's tricks? How's things? It's been a hot minute we've. Been a hot minute. We've been off for the holidays. We have, Yep, that's very true. I feel like a lot, you know, every, every, everywhere I turn, something's happening. The world's blowing off. Everything's burning, happening so fast. But you know what? There is some freedom in that, because then you can be like, who fucking cares? I'm just going to be whoever I want to be. I'm just gonna do whatever I wanna do. So I'm trying to I'm trying to take that route rather than the paranoid route which. The. Scared and freaked out. The scared, freaked out, can't sleep, barely eating.

1:50 Good situation so great. I'm feeling great. I'm feeling good. How are you? I'm well, I'm well. It's been a nice little vacay, little holiday vacay. Yeah. Spending with family and chillax. And you're right, lots of stuff seems to be happening in the world, and it seems to be hard to catch up. And you could become overwhelmed if you let yourself. But we're not going to do that. No, because we like to be prepared and aware. We do like to be prepared and there logical and aware. Logical, prepared, aware. So you know, just on the like on the DL or like behind the scenes BTS Yeah. We don't tell each other often what the topic is going to be about before we say the topic in the. Which, which?

2:41 Remember where you're going with this, Remember where you're going 'cause I'm gonna be with you for a second. Which we've often always said, too, is what happens when we're gonna do the same episode. It's not happening in three years in. Three years. But but you know what, we could have synchronicity and we could do the same topic. It would just have to be like A2 parter episode, right, Right. That's a good point because we have, we have totally different ways of like seeing things in life and stuff. So yeah, it could be. So what you're gonna say We weren't? We didn't. So we. Didn't know but on on my way to the studio and recording I was thinking gosh we really need to do a doomsday like Prepper. No. Yeah, Yeah. So it's that synchronic synchronicity.

3:22 I was like, this is more and more important. Like earlier this or earlier in 2025, like people didn't have foods, they were relying on storage, like food storage. And it's something that I think is probably pretty important and that we used to do back in the day, like back during World War 2, a lot of people had to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Exactly people I wouldn't say hoarded, but they learned to retain or I guess be prepared. I guess the bottom line. Roy's mom, he would say that all the time. You know, she would kind of keep things because she would learn. She learned that, you know you might need this because she went through some shit.

4:02 Right, right. She's seen, she probably saw some wars yeah, and stuff. And like, when you do that it really changes people. I, I collect vintage and would go to estate sales. And one thing that always struck me was everyone had a like box of matches. They had flashlights in every room. They had an emergency radio. They had all these things that we simply have forgotten to do. Like growing up, the power would go out and we would have matches and candles in different areas of the house. And now because I'm a freak, I do have like matches in most drawers, flashlights and specific areas I see. I don't think that's a freak.

4:46 That's just like being conscious and prepared. But people don't do that. I have like an Amazon list of items that I think that a lot of people should have or think about having oh in their in their homes. Oh, you do? Yeah, I do. We should. We should share that because I'm going to put a lot of links in this episode more than I normally do about creating simple go bags yes, a starter prep kits, just, you know, basic stuff. I mean I'm not talking like the crazy shit that we're going to talk about on this episode. I mean, I'm just like basic. Right, right, just. Kind of being prepared for an ish. Well, you know, this is the bizarre F and we're not going to be simple.

5:27 We're going to go down the Cray Cray Rd. But you know. I am so ready I in any kind of disastrous situation, I have the plus we. Have to have a bottle of wine because they last forever. 100%, yeah. So Alicia, when I, when I say, you know, because I, I titled this doomsday preppers again because I mean, it's the bizarre AF. We can't not talk about crazy, extreme bizarre stuff. So I had to throw in the word doomsday. So when I hear throw out the word doomsday burrs, like that's one connotation. But if I take that word out and I just said prepper, like forget that.

6:10 We've had this whole conversation and someone comes up to you and says, like, what do you think about? Honestly, I probably think of someone who was like a girl or a Boy Scout and like is just prepared. Like they just prepare for whatever situation. Like they're probably the person who has like, band aids in their glove box or, you know, like, don't tell anyone. But guys, I have like, water and, like warm clothes and, and like, electrolytes in my car just in case. What if I get stranded, like, and I'm in the middle of nowhere, Like, you know, my car breaks down simple stuff or like one of those like, battery charged, like the chargers that, like, will start your battery again. Yeah, like that simple stuff or a freaking Atlas or a map in your car. Like these are, I would say it's someone who's prepared that, you know, thinks of what could potentially happen. So it's so for.

7:02 Me. Why? Because I'm a freak. No, Yes, yeah. Yeah. Because asking you that question, that's a logical answer, right? But if you ask a normal person that that's not, they're going to be their answer. No, they're. Going to be like, it's one of those guys it's. One of those crazy freakoids that. Yeah, yeah. Have like an underground bunker and and like 50 years worth of like food storage. Yeah, it's always the extreme. Yeah, right. They think of the extreme side of the prepping. Totally. Well, and people can be extremists. That's. Well, I mean, mix it up. Yeah. Well, let's, I'll tell you what, I love an extreme situation.

7:45 It's it's so interesting to watch and. Well, you're right exactly. Because they used to have that. They had that show on like Discovery, right? Like about Doom preppers and like like prep? I guess it was yeah, Prepper which. Is probably the people on discovery. Oh, on the is a history. Or maybe it was history. Yes. Yeah, yes, 'cause I'm gonna talk about some people that were actually on that show. OK. I'm so excited. Yeah. So like I said, you know, normally when typically, I shouldn't say normally, Typically when people hear the word prepper, they're thinking about people that aren't quite in the right, right in the head. Yeah, not rational, super extreme.

8:26 Believe Jesus is going to come tomorrow. Exactly. Do you know who Jodie? I'm going to prove my point. Do you know who Jodie Hildebrandt is 0? Girl, I know I have. I have been down this road. OK. Yes, I do. OK, so for those in the class that don't know who Jodi Hildebrandt is, explain briefly who she is. OK, so Jodi Hildebrandt is a, you know, she was a licensed therapist in the state of Utah and ended up starting a, some would say cult, some would say, some would say she was a life coach.

9:08 That's what she called herself. So she started this group called Connections and she was actually a part of the LDS, the Mormon Latter Day Saints Mormon Church. She Mormons, by the way, huge doomsday preppers, very much believe in the end of days and to stock your pantry, blah, blah, blah. So that's like her background, but she started this connections group and it she became very, very close with a mommy vlogger that was on YouTube and actually pretty big. She had a channel called 9 Passengers. Anyways, they ended 8. Passengers. 8 passengers. 8 passengers. So she had.

9:49 They became close and she had gotten involved with Jodi Hildebrandt kind of pushed forward this narrative that Jodi had, which was also pushing forward aspects of the Mormon church like the LDS churches thing, but a huge piece of that and it's a huge piece of anyone who is actually LDS or Mormon 100% has a stocked up pantry for the end of days. And Jodi Hildebrandt was part of that. Later on, they end up there's a child abuse. She was awful, She was awful. And she's she's currently sitting in prison. She Cray Cray person who's a complete doomsday prepper. And would go to Mexico for like antibiotics and stuff to prep. That's new.

10:31 Yeah, didn't know that one, but OK, that only emphasizes my point. She's Jodi Hildebrand. Fucking crazy. But the truth really of the matter is that there are reasonable reasons for prepping 100 and we kind of were talking ending to this in the beginning of the of the show. Oh, and oh by the way, when I say reasonable, that is in the eye of the beholder because when I go through this list. Your personal list of. What you Well, it's the list of things that I think people prep for. OK, OK, OK, gotcha. Some will be completely unreasonable, but to some people they might be reasonable. Sure, just saying. Sure, just saying. So 1 is natural disasters are becoming more frequent. Right.

11:16 Extreme wildfires, more F5 tornadoes, Cap 5 hurricanes, extreme weather events, it increasing in both more frequency and intensity. Flooding, yes and this. And by the way, this is NOAA data. This is just making this up and when disaster hits help this often delayed because of the intensity of the invent and you create more, create more need for assistance, less access to the areas right. Yeah, yeah. Especially rural areas. Yeah, exactly. And there are many instances when where hardcore preppers have personal experiences in disaster situations where because they have been preppers have saved others or themselves 100. It's been proven.

12:06 I mean, it's happened, yeah, economic uncertainty. Yes. What if there's another Great Depression? Oh. My God, yeah. Economic downturns, Job inflation, Jobs. I mean, we've seen grocery prices go up dramatically. Exactly, exactly. Global instability, conflict, war. I mean, we've seen a global leader invading a country. We've seen another leader, including another, invading another. I mean, it's happening more and more frequently. Yeah. This is like not crazy. This is not the crazy part. This is like we're the reality we're living in.

12:48 Yeah. Exactly. You have these all these geopolitical tensions. Fighting for natural resources. Natural resources large scale emergencies are inevitable and then you have preppers preparing for even extreme things like nuclear, biological, chemical threats. Some that was I'm next to my list Worldwide pandemic power grid failure EMP. That scares me. Alien invasion. Oh my God. Bum, bum, bum. And we're back. And. We're back and Alicia is not sleeping tonight. Yeah. And this is what I'm prepared.

13:28 This is why I have water in my car and electrolyte stuff. Yeah, OK. With the exception of Alien, which I don't know. I'm getting closer and closer to thinking X-Files is not so far removed from us, but. Which we will be talking about in great detail in the next several weeks. Yes, we definitely will. But but yeah, I mean, it's like there there are more reasons to potentially be prepared for, you know, potentially the worst. New gasp daddy MPs. Yeah, that scares the shit out of me. It scares, honestly. It's. Because. Because I know why? Because that is the most destructive component beyond anything.

14:12 Because why? Because it's even more so than I would say a nuclear bomb. Because a nuclear bomb, it's going to blow you up and you're dead. An EMP is going to take out all things that matter to us as a civilization, and then you're just going to fucking suffer. Yeah. And it's an electromagnetic pulse, right? And So what that does is it fries any electronics, any electric electrical equipment around. And now we're so dependent on our phones and. Electric. That's the point. That's the point. And that's what, in my opinion, makes this more even more mere quoting legit. Yeah, yeah, less crazy person.

14:58 My last reason for prepping. Oh. My God, what is it? I'm a little scared. No, don't be OK. This is a good one for many and I would even go as far as saying for most preppers prepping it's not about fear, it's actually about freedom, having the means to be self-sufficient, survive without relying on outside help and it provides a sense of security and independence. That is why I personally prep. Amen.

15:40 Yeah. Slow clap. I just saluted Kevin. Stand with me, Manatee. No, but really, like, I mean, it is like it is a freedom thing. It's like the more independence you have, the more autonomy and you don't live your life out of fear. Being prepared like you're saying it, it takes away the guesswork of what the hell is going to happen when, you know, zombies take over the world or whatever. Exactly. Now we all know you can't prepare for every friggin possible scenario in the world unforge. And the likelihood of a catastrophic event affecting you, albeit a real possibility.

16:27 Maybe a small one, but for most people I would can say that prepping is just low on their priority scale compared to just trying to survive and live a normal day. Oh my God, For sure. Yeah. I'm so busy. I'm so distracted. I have too many like balls that I'm trying to drop juggle. It's true. Yeah, start with the essentials. Work your way up to the big stuff. In fact, I'm going to put some links in our show notes, like I said before, or they'll have you some references to stuff if you're interested in learning more about prepping, kind of show you how to get started on the look down low on the cheap. Just get your feet wet. Yeah, I'll have that. My Amazon list. And Alicia's going to put her on Amazon list. So yeah, we'll get you.

17:11 We'll get you some resource. I'm going to talk about the primary things that preppers focus on when they are prepping. I'm going to introduce you to some preppers and the things that they feel like they are prepping for. Oh yeah, dying. OK, but this is the bizarre AF as I mentioned. So let's first talk about bunkers and shelters. Oh yeah, yeah. OK. So you're going to have to have a shelter of some sort if an event occurs, OK? Especially doomsday or catastrophic event, right? What's interesting and I could not find the link, I could not find the association to this, but I found that in 2011 that bunker sales like I'm going to go hide in the ground because of a doomsday event. Bunker sales increased by like 1000% in 20. Oh my God.

18:14 The companies that make those and build those kinds of things saw this tremendous increase, interesting in bunkers and this and the likes. Oh do you know why? No tell me I OK I think I just tracked or cracked. Perfect. I'm great. Remember 2012? Was it 2012 where they, like the Mayan calendar ended? Do you think people were prepping for the end of the 2012 calendar? I don't know the the Mayan calendar that doesn't line. Yeah, it was 2012, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Maybe that was part of it. That. That, or do the global elite know something we don't know? I mean well.

18:59 It didn't happen, yeah. Well, yeah, but you're like looking 30 years into the future, right? No, that tracks. That's a good. Let's let's say it's my calendar. I I that that tracks to me. Yeah. I'm going to just you to introduce you to a guy named Riley Cook who made a custom made bunker. And he cuts it right into the side of a mountain where a family of five can live and survive for years. There's and one of the most fascinating bunkers that I found was actually underground luxury apartments in the middle of Kansas. Does not fucking surprise me.

19:42 Have you ever been to an underground Mrs. Silo? I've not, girl. When I was in high school, I had two besties. One of them figures out where there's, there's a missile silo out. So I grew up in, in Colorado, a small town called, and I'll say it's called Strasbourg. Yeah, it's about 32 miles east of Denver on I-70. A friend of mine says to my me and my other friend that he knows where this missile silo is. And it's really not far from Strasbourg. I I'm thinking back, it's like, I think it took us like 20-30 minutes to drive there. And it was in the middle of fucking nowhere. You go through a sign that says, you know, government property, but it's all abandoned and tore down.

20:28 And girl, there was literally like a hole in the ground with a half open lid. And that's all you see. And we went down in that hole, down this ladder, and then suddenly you're in this huge Tavern that has these stairs going around. Like there was an elevator shaft in the middle. And we're going all the way down. And then there's like these tunnels, huge tunnels that are made out of that corrugated steel. And you're going through. And we went into a computer room where you could see the old consoles. Like literally they were still there. I saw this. And I think back at that moment, I'm like, why didn't I take one of? Those I know I was thinking.

21:09 Because that would have been so cool. That was so. Cool, but no, it was scary. And it was all dark. Right pitch. I mean pitch girl it pitch black. There was no light. Oh my God, I'd be terrified. It was scary. I'd be afraid like a man, man in black would like come. Well, that, see that was more, I was more scared of that, yeah, than I was of something me down there. Right. Quite honestly, right. Yeah, Yeah. Be more scared of you. But they're real. They're real. They exist. And in fact, there were 72, what they called Atlas F missile silos that the government built in the Cold War, right? And I don't know if that was an Alice F, but it sure felt like it. I think that that was one of them. And these are all abandoned.

21:52 And so people buy these things and they're like hurt. They're built for nuclear war. Yeah, it's going to survive. And this guy decides this thing is so deep I'm going to build 17 floors of condos and sell them all and oh, by the way he did and that I looked and right now I think there's only like 3 left and one of them is a 1 is a full floor takes the full floor condo is sold for what was it one point 2.4 million. Oh my God. And then the floor above it, well, they split it in half and so and it's 1800 square foot, by the way, the whole floor. And so then the one above it was, you know, split in half that sold for half that what, a 1.2 million and those are currently for sale.

22:45 Shut up. But they've all sold. They've all sold. I mean one props to that guy for like, doing it right. Ingenious. Genius. Yes. But OK, I've seen Battlestar Galactica, but honestly, like, like who's going to protect these people? Like OK, let's. OK, let's talk about that. So by the way, go to survivalcondo.com when you have a moment. When you're feeling extra paranoid, go to survivalcondo.com.

23:25 Sponsored by survivalcondo.com No, we're not. Those bitches aren't paying us. Okay, so check this out can have access to them at any time. You don't have to doesn't have to be a disaster like you bunch you bite, it's yours. So if you want to go stay in your survival condo, you can't go for it. You can live there like full time, sure. Why not? It's yours. You can't finance it because banks won't finance it. So you got to have some cash. For security reasons. They won't even tell you where it's at. I was wondering about that. So you're. Going to have to qualify to buy it then you can go see them then they'll go tell you where it is.

24:08 Then they'll go show you where it is and, you know, tell you about you got to even be able to buy it first, right? They have A2 silos. That'd be Awanatua. They work with the owners to ensure you are able to travel to the facility from any state using one of three contingency plans in the event of a catastrophe. Wow. And they only discussed these contingency plans and the method of getting you there again from any state if you qualify and buy. And want to buy it? Yes.

24:48 They have the highest level of military grade security that money can buy, offers both lethal and non lethal measures of protection to their residents. Wow. They say they've designed their security protocols with about every consideration that you could possibly think of that could affect or harm the residents. They also say that although most of the details of the entire project are confidential, they do have all the necessary communication systems for both pre and post disaster needs. They supply direct link communications to the condos remotely for their owners, as well as fiber optic Internet data streaming for education, information and entertainment. And they have silo to silo network communications ready. I have a couple questions.

25:49 One how much is the HOA? That's a good. Question. Another question, are you required to keep your own stock of food? OK, so let's talk about that and water. They have all the necessities to survive in a luxury resort setting for as long as five years without having any concern about sustainability or living off grid. The rent there you're prepared for. OK. It is not just $1,000,000, it has to be more than that. There has to be add-ons. You know, they don't mention the add-ons, they don't mention the HOA and the resort fees. Yeah, of course they're not going to, not until you already put your down payment and they're like, well, sorry, we're locked into a contract.

26:38 Girl, if money was no object I would buy one. I know same, same. You know what I always talk so one of like the big questions I used to ask people to kind of understand who they are like friends, whatever. When I was like dating people like same thing. What would you do? Like what would be your first thing on zombie apocalypse? Like what is your first thing? What do you do your? First action. Yeah. Where do you go? Like like what actions do you take? That does a lot about a person. It does. It's like, it's like tells you whether or not they're practical, whether or not they think long. How they think. Yeah, yeah. Are they, are they logical? Are they? You know what? Dependent. Are they independent? Yes. Yes. What direction are you going to go in? And in Colorado, which is where we are, like everyone says, I'm going to go head up into the mountains. Bad fucking call as far as I'm concerned. That tells me you're not thinking ahead. I think you head out fucking east and you head the plains. Yeah, because who else is going to go out there? There's nothing if you are prepared enough, if you have to leave, go out there because there's only a couple of ways into the mountains and then the mountain range and everyone's going to try that.

27:50 And you are stuck with just a couple of routes, which is a great way to like get in trouble because there's going to be a car accident, whatever. But I always think it's very interesting when people say that. So the fact that this, the condo situation is in Kansas makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to me. Or like Wyoming or like anywhere that's not populated, right. That's the point. Yeah, yes, I do wonder what the add on fees are because I'm sorry, like 1.2 million, 2.4, it seems a little low. It does for five years. Luxury. But I think they have enough units. That's why they don't have the add-ons, I think, because they can sell enough units to cover all of that. But also what about like the staff and stuff like you think the staff isn't going to rebel against? Well, that's the other thing.

28:40 So I was reading their website and there's an F there's this FAQ and it says, well, what if I have skills to help sustain a community? Like do I get a discount? I don't know, you know, like a doctor. Or whatever that would make. Sense and they say, well, we're gonna we're gonna consider that kind of stuff because obviously if you're gonna have a community community, you need all skills. You need as many people that are varied and different. Not just people that are rich that can buy a fucking floor. Yeah, because guess what? I've known quite a few rich people and they're useless. They're completely useless and tacky as fuck. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, there's this also, this guy named Bruce Francisco and Gregory Gibbons.

29:24 They got one of these silos in Adirondack State Park near Lake Placid. It's about 100 acres of land and they build this home right on top of this stairwell. Have you ever seen those movies where it looks like this concrete wall that kind of angles down? It's just a door and it goes into nothing. That's all you see is just like this little angled wall. So that's what they bought and it's of one of these silos. They built a home right on top of that stairway so that you could go into this silo. They painted a secret door inside the house so you can going down into the silo. Which I thought, Oh my God, that's really cool. That's like, that's like an evil layer.

30:05 Exactly, exactly. I will put a link to the rendering of their plans on our website so you can go look at that if you want to. My husband and wife, named Ed and Diana Jamison, also bought a retired Cold War air missile for $40,000, which was a previously a home of A4 megaton nuclear warhead. They refurbished it and they showed pictures of it and it looks like a house. It looks like a home. Like if you didn't know any better, it was a home and a missile silo. It was nuts. 18 inches of concrete walls, 4 ton blast, 400 ton blast door. I mean you know the whole ship.

30:52 Have you ever seen people build homes out of shipping containers? I have heard about this, yeah. So I was actually looking into doing this as well, maybe buying a little piece of land up in the mountains or somewhere, just have it a little getaway and building it out of shipping containers. You can stack them, you can put them side by side tend. To be kind of cheap, right? They're inexpensive and they've already got the structure like they're they're heavy duty walls and ceilings. Yeah. So you know you don't. It's not like you have to like build it all out. Exactly that is a very common prepper purchase is shipping. Containers. That makes sense. So a man by the name of John Major, he cuts a hole in his garage, digs a hole, builds this 5 by 7 container.

31:40 He puts foxholes out around his property and connects them via a tunnel so that he can defend his house through these little foxholes. This was a very common theme when I was researching this, that when people have a large properties that they create these little foxholes right out throughout their house so they can defend their property. A guy by the name of Barry cuts a hole in his yard, puts a big steel pot under there, puts a with stairs that go down. It sleeps his family of four for two months because he stocks it full of. Like long term, like MRE's kind. MRE's exactly dehydrated food, some water for the dehydrated food etcetera, etcetera. And we'll go talk to about him a little bit more in a minute. What his plan is after two months. But he he's there's a lot of people that will buy pre manufactured pods to bury them in their yard, right? Guy by the name of Doug Hoffman, who was a retired defense contractor, built a series of the what he called spider holes. They are these little coffin sized. Oh my God, that sounds like.

32:52 Hell holes where he will go hide on his property. He can. Stick a little gun out. If he needs to monitor his property, it's he's got like hundreds miles of property and there's all spread out throughout his property, these little spider holes. The fact that I sometimes think that I'm a little crazy and these people exist in the world and this guy was a defense contractor. I mean, I have no questions about where the military budget fucking goes. Are you kidding me? What a weirdo. My husband would rather die than be in one of those. Same like like I hope I'm one of the first people like near the atomic bomb. Like I do not need to like sit a fucking coffin no and call that thing no thank you.

33:44 Right. No, no. That's why that guy is like a few screws loose. Oh my God. People, people get get so extreme. Remember, so the this Doug guy, this defence contractor, SEAL Team Five shit like if you think of SEAL Team Five, he's like the stereotype. Who's what? He's like, if you envision that person look like, that's what he. Looks like and, But you know what? Those guys are unhinged. They have to be. They. They have to be in order to do their jobs. That's true. They are not. They're not all there. That's true because you because you put that guns.

34:24 Relax. He's like, sure, I could live in a spider hole and you're like, bro, we're not asking you to live in a fucking spider. Hole. In fact, I think he would be more comfortable living in a spider hole than living in the real world. I like, I think he wants the apocalypse to happen because because he's been way more comfortable. Because he doesn't have purpose outside of that, because he's no longer on that SEAL team. So you mentioned The History Channel. Doomsday Prepper. Doomsday Pepper, National Geographic thing. Yes, he was on that show. And one of the things he says when they're filming him and he's dressed in like camouflage and he's got like all this camouflage fuzzy shit on him and he goes, welcome to my traps at the spider to the fly.

35:07 I'm like, Oh my. God. So food and water, I mean, clearly. Yes, like water is even more. Consideration. And that's too the military consider water the most important component of survival than anything. It's it is the most important. Thing the most important thing, average body needs 2000 calories a day to function at a minimum level. So to store food for its maximum amount of time you have to store it in a cool, dry and dark space. And oh, by the way, pro tip, when I was researching this episode, you can store eggs for 12 months if you coat them in mineral oil and store them in a cool dry. It's it's kind of like that when you take them directly out of the chicken, as long as you don't refrigerate them and wash them, they store for a long time. It's it's kind of, it simulates that environment so that air and oxygen can't get in there.

36:15 I'm like, why don't we do that? Yeah, why doesn't, why don't people tell us that we can just why don't why they was? Yeah, why? Because they want us to fucking buy. Them I know next time eggs are on sale, you guys get some mineral and wrap it all up get like fucking 20 different containers and give them to give them to a neighbor who can't afford them. But also, good God like that, that should be. That should be. Common. Normal. Yeah, normal knowledge. So what happens when a spouse disagrees with your prepping parent excessiveness? Yeah, I think we could probably both personally answer it. Yeah, my husband just kind of like whatever, okay, whatever. He's.

37:01 So chill, yeah? But there are some that are near, yeah, no, because. It takes up space it. Takes up space. It takes time, money. Well, there was this woman who we'll call Janet because she wanted to remain anonymous. Yes, Janet. She has to hide her food stores, and she hides it in every possible nook and cranny she shows us. She takes books off the shelf. She opens them up. They're empty, full of like, dried beef jerky and meats. And then, I'm not kidding you, she opens like this door.

37:42 It's hollow. And she will pull a panel off the back of the door and it's full of like, I'm gonna say Hamburger Helper, but it's like box dried. Yeah. Dried Mres and dried goods from top to bottom. Yep. Like flat. So they could fit in the door like every possible place you could think of. That is like, that's like people who lived through the Depression who would hide money in different areas and like would would save like and recycle things like that was common. They'd hide like in their mattresses and in the walls, sure. And valuables. Yes, wild, wild. Oh, poor. Janet. Well, her husband, yeah, he's.

38:24 Gonna open up the door and be like what the what? The store is heavy. Why do we have a million copies of cheeseburger hamburger helper? Come on, what the hell? Well, that's just it too. You can't rehydrate your hydrated food without water. Yeah, you need that takes us back to water. Yeah, it's a huge problem. Huge problem. You either need to know where your source of water is, have water, or be prepared to make a water source consumable. Yes, that's on my list. Good.

39:07 And food is also a morale booster. So having food, you know, kind of lists. So some preppers take it so seriously that they have prepped decades just on the food front. There was this one prepper, her name was Colleen Bishop. She spent the last 20 years prepping to have ultimately 8 years of gourmet food. What'd she do? She's canning every fucking thing. And she makes like deliberate meals and cans them and jar, you know, in like glass jars, like, but kind of like meatloaf and shit. And and Coco von, Coco Von, she makes Coco von I think is what it is and puts that in the jar. And she stores it under her bed, in her night stand, her house packed girl packed full of food.

40:03 So this is kind of where we go into an area where it's how much of this is greed or a psychosis and how much of the like. Yes, like. There is a fine line with being prepared. Don't get Don't get me wrong, I want to eat some nice food, but at the end of the day, the last thing I'm going to be thinking about it was. Do we have any Kokova? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do we have, did you, did you dehydrate that German chocolate cake that we can just rehydrate with our, you know, tablets or whatever the fuck it is? It's like like that's that is like borderline unhinged. We are getting into the world of excessive, compulsive, yeah.

40:46 Yeah, obsessive. Compulsive. Unreasonable prepping. And and prepping like when there are food shortages. It would be great to hear that this woman maybe when people didn't have food stamps in 2025, maybe she donated food to families who couldn't. But I fucking doubt it. It sounds like it is some unhinged behavior. I would hope that she would do. Something like that, and I'm not gonna, and I'm not saying this to be judgmental, I'm just saying it as a fact. She even admitted to being a foodie. Loves food. She was a big, thick girl. Yes, she loved her food. Yeah. So that makes sense that that's how she relates to survival.

41:29 Right, right, right, but girl, can you pick up something? Are you able to run like potentially or are you like like food is a a minor portion of this whole thing like it's. Such a tiny yeah. Exactly. It's not nearly as important as other things. Exactly. You don't need cocoa, but you need some, maybe some macaroni and some water. Yeah, yeah. Or beans and or like a fucking can of tuna and right, yeah, like peas or something. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Then we get into defense and safety. So there are three types of firearms that preppers feel like are paramount to their arsenal. There's three types.

42:11 There's semi automatic which they use for long range hunting, there's a shotgun for short range property defense, and then there's a handgun for close combat. So if you have those 3 firearms, a non crazy prepper person would say those three things are enough. Right. Makes sense, but we are at the bizarre AF so we're not going to talk about those three things. Let's talk about the Oozies and the missile launchers. So Pat Babble and his wife, they own those three basic armaments, but they have a few extra. They have a nuclear bomb.

42:53 Somehow they got it. I guess the government was just selling it with the Miss asylum. So he has a secret room in his barn that's hidden behind a wall which is conceals a locked door. Once you get through all of that and pass his little pantry, he has an arsenal that I would consider was ready for a small battalion. Oh. My God. Over 100 different firearms. 100 girl. How many firearms can you fire at once? I mean. Ultimately. Yeah, I guess 2, but ultimately, well, potentially. Well, yeah, yeah, firearms are expensive. They're not.

43:35 Cheap. They are expensive. Yeah. And plus he has to have he has ammo. Mounds and mounds and mounds and hills and buckets and drawers of ammo. And let's be honest, like, I don't know, I that's excessive. Are both of them like good marksmen? So that's what I was going to say, that he has ensured that he and his wife have both been trained and certified in firearms. They practice every week, which I was going to say you need to practice every week to make sure that you're proficient in your firearms. And they do do that. So they are responsible at least in that respect. There's people that I saw that they hoard pipe bombs that they make.

44:16 They label them and store each so they know their explosive content, their range, their fuse link. Oh. My God, Oh my God, these people walk. They walk among. Us being mobile or what they call bugging out. Yes, this is my favorite on doomsday preppers. If you guys need like a laugh and to feel good about yourself, they grade you at the end of each one based on preparedness and like yeah, like the. With the grade each person based on their ability to bug out. Like, not just like bugging out. They're all bugging out. People bugging out is how much can you, yeah, be self-sufficient and completely shut down in the case that you're in.

45:01 Yeah. And based on your storage, based on your, your food, your everything, sure. But then it gets to the physical component of having to be mobile. You're saying and moving around. Once again, not judging, but who are the people who survive in zombie apocalypses? It's not the person who's not working out, not strong, doesn't have any muscle composition. It's the person. It's always the people who are fit or are prepared in that aspect. And funnily enough, a lot of these people would get marks down in doomsday preppers because they're all, they're all really huge. Yes, yes, yes.

45:41 They are not physically prepared. It's one of the things on my list which we're not going to be able to get to today just because our time's running slow. But being fit is is part of a prepper. Yeah, a intense prepper. Because just to your point, if you're this great big person who can't even walk down the block without being out of wind, right, your chances of being able to survive catastrophe or zombies wanting to eat your brain are reduced. Yeah, yeah, they're slim to none. Slim to none. And chances are, if you've been on Doomsday Preppers or people know about these people that you're talking about, they know who these people are. I would never, if I were this prepared, I would never show my face.

46:29 I would never let people know who I am because it puts a target on you. Yep, right. So there's a couple who bought school buses, about two school buses. They have a truck with a horse trailer and they have this. They call it a compound, but that's because they're. That's just the way they think. That's the way they think. They on a very regular basis run and exercise where they try to within 60 minutes, get all of their food, all of their water, all of their animals, which have goats and shit. Oh, that's very smart.

47:14 All of their essentials in loaded from their compound into these buses and horse trailers within 60 minutes. And on the road they have a plan where they know what time of day they're going to leave so that certain areas they're driving through during the daytime, certain areas they will be driving through tonight. They have a specific location that they will go to that is undisclosed that they are prepared to go to and they run this monthly. Oh wow. So much so that even the animals now know what to do so that they scoot right into this horse trailer in a flash. Wow, that's, that's admirable that I mean, that's. Dedication.

48:00 It's dedication. I OK, I'm saying it's admirable because I'm extreme, but I'm like, Oh my God. But I'm sitting there thinking, would I want to fucking do that every single month, month or week or whatever in order to train the animals and stuff, right, That's a lot. That's. A lot of work. But you are thinking about that, I do think, but. Those are the people that are going to survive when this happens. 100%, yeah. There's another couple who live out of a semi. Just converted that into a whole storage. Like just uses every fucking square inch of this this cabin. They their medications they will skip a day or two every month so that they have a supply in case the pharmacies and stuff or they can't get their medications.

48:43 I mean they are full on prepared. They, too, run exercises every month about what to do, you know, Have you played jacks? Oh yeah, Jacks I love. Jacks, they store jacks in their glove box so that if they're ever being followed or chased, because they say that when someone sees a semi, they're like, oh, that's a, that's a store, that's a free store. Yep. So they keep jacks so that they can throw them out the window, because those will generally always pop a tire. Wow, that's so smart, right? I mean, yeah, it's like the immunity is impressive. It is. It is, yeah. And that his brother was again, like this military defense guy. So he always helps him train situations like full on real situations to make sure that if they're ever tried to be hijacked or.

49:31 Whatever. Yeah, if you're close to a city, the whole idea, like I've gone down the rabbit hole, I've been there, which is why I have prep shit and everything. Yeah, but if you're in the city, it's an entirely different situation than if you're. And most people will try to get out. Yes. Of the city, yeah. Because to your point before, you don't want to be with other people. You want to be able to see what's coming at you easily. So I found it. So it's ��10,000 of food, 310 gallons of water. Of course, all of his animals, his family and essentials, all of, like I said, train their animals and they believe that they have 10 years worth of supplies. So interesting like how do they rotate that stuff out? Like I have like spreads it too.

50:16 I have spreadsheets that's. How good. Oh, good. You have to be organized too. This thing as a prepper, you have to be organized. You have to know where your stuff is. You have to know what it is. And when it expires? When it expires so because. It doesn't live forever. No, no. And there's like some guests guesstimations on things, but by and large like you do have to rotate stuff out, it's not going to be as effective if you have. Antibiotics cost money. It totally costs money, yeah. This episode probably could have gone on for another hour, but. Yeah, we definitely could have talked about. It and while I will conclude with saying that while probably while no one not probably while absolutely no one is certain about when the end of days is going to happen, even though these people are extreme, makes you stop and think there is some or probably somewhere in between that everyone could potentially be. 1. 100% one of the Reers says in in one of the interviews he says I think you need to be responsible for yourself and in doing anything less is a criminal act.

51:27 Another one says, are you going to sit back and wait for the Calvary and they may never come and just prepare for the worst? Martin, the truck driver, he says with Murphy's Law, you know, anything that can go wrong will go wrong. I want to prepare for that. Most scientists and economists and military believers don't think there's really going to be any cataclysmic events anytime in the near future. However, I will say that they always say be prepared. Yeah, the government. Says that the government says that to what level you have to decide, to what level you need to be prepared. Yes. I will tell everyone on this show that I am a prepper.

52:13 I actually even finally got Mr. ES. Have you ever had an Mr. ES I as a kid because my dad was in the military. I loved Mres. I love the taste of them. Yeah, they're real. I loved them. Processed and yummy. So processed so much salt, yes, like it has it basically like it has enough calories for a whole day plus right? Like, right, if you're active, like it's actually a great source of food and calories. Yeah, I I loved the Mac, the not Mac and cheese. It was the spaghetti and. The spaghetti balls. Yeah, that was my favorite as a kid, Yeah. Yep. So I, I finally got some actually, Mr. ES. I do have the dehydrated stuff. Yeah.

52:56 I've created backpacks that contain all the medical supplies and the water purification and all of the things that you wouldn't. Ultimately, there's a basic level. I have a defense kit, so I I'm starting to build up that. Yeah, it's smart. It's smart. Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine myself going beyond that. Although if funds were no object, I would buy the condo in Kansas. Yeah, I would build a container bunker in the mountains. I would have a boat on docked in the ocean and I would probably have a property with a plane. So I was covered in plains, ocean, mountains.

53:39 I mean that, yeah. I mean, ideal, right? Wouldn't that be perfect? Like you'd have all of these options. Yeah, I mean, if, if we're just looking from a normal perspective, FEMA has a preparedness toolkit on it's a government website. Everyone should have specific items. Emergency radio you were saying? Water purification tablets or sources? They have those. And straws. Straws, like the those straws, you know you should have multiple sources, but you also don't have to spend $1,000,000. You can go. I've gone to the dollar store and got band aids, gauze matches. Like I was saying, beans and stuff like beans last forever. Same thing with, right? Oh, and one woman said she stocks up on tampons and maxi pads because they are absorbent. Yes.

54:23 And they are sterile, yes. So they're perfect for first aid, yes. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah. I mean, on the list that I am going that we're going to have posted, I do have an Israeli bandage kit, which is an automatic blood clotter. And everything. That's extreme. It's totally extreme. Yeah. But you know, a lot of people used to have first aid kits in their cars just in case something happened or you'd have keep a tampon. And if you have bloody nose, people used to carry freaking like, pocket knives on them. I have a pocket knife that also has scissors on it and and toothpick. Like that's stupid. But like, you know, I mean, actually I've used a lot, but you know, it has a little bit of everything.

55:04 A source of alcohol to, you know, clean a wound, an extra bottle of it that costs nothing. Get out the dollar store. These are things that are very, very easy to have. That's right. You know you don't necessarily. Doesn't have to be for years and months like these extremists, it just at least for a few days until you can get help or get to help or. You can go onto YouTube, it's the 72 hour bag where if you downtown or you're in your car, what is going to be good for 72 hours until you can get home if you're stuck in a snowstorm or extreme weather, right? Makes a lot of sense, right? I think that some of these people are quick, right? But also, it does make sense to have some of these things on hand. To some level. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

55:44 I mean, don't have to be extremist. It was a great episode. Cool. Thank you so much. Yeah. So you guys check out our and show notes on our website. We will have links to resources, yeah. And we'll be posting a couple of what our top five items that we would bring in the zombie apocalypse. And I think what I'm probably also gonna do and tick tock, I'm gonna show my go bag. Oh my God, yes, yeah. Maybe things I have in my go bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same that. That's that's a great idea. I'm so excited to see it. Good. All right. Well, we'll, we'll talk in a week or so. Yes, sounds. Great. Great. See you then. See ya. OK, bye.