Paranormal Investigators

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Hello, Bizarre Story friends,
you've tuned into the Bizarre

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AF, a place where we talk about
the strange, the unusual, the

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unknown, and all things bizarre
AF.

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I'm Kevin.
I'm going to be your host for

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today's episode.
As always, we ask that you keep

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an open mind, keep a skeptical
ear, but keep listening to the

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facts as we take you on our
newest journey hunting the

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already dead paranormal
investigators.

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Well hello hello hello my Co
host S with the most S Alicia.

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Hey, girl.
How?

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Are you?
I'm good.

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I'm loving this new setup.
It's very different.

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Digging it, yeah.
Yeah, I think it's good.

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It's it's, it's a very different
like feel, different vibe,

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different vibe, but still like
in the same family, which is

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good.
Yeah, I think, you know, it's

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time if you're not watching.
It's just we we moved into a

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different room.
It's less like studio ish and a

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little bit more like intimate,
yes, but I think it'll grow.

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I'll look over time like we'll
make it.

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For sure, yeah, you know, yeah,
I mean, the last studio was

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built over like how much time
Yeah, exactly.

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And yeah.
So yeah, it's it definitely

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feels a little bit different,
but I I like the brighter vibes.

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I think it's really fun.
You too.

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And I'm enjoying, I'm enjoying a
different space like.

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Exactly.
Something different and

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interesting.
Cool.

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We're like butterfly, we're like
caterpillars, you know?

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Going into butterfly loving,
Yeah.

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Cool.
So what do you know about P is

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or paranormal Investigators?
Do you ever watch any of those

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shows?
Yes, they used to be like, like

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back before years ago, it used
to just be like one shows like

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Ghost Hunters or something,
right.

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And then Ghost Adventures came
out and can I, can I like tell

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you something when I like, hate
admitting, Yeah.

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And like, this is like,
honestly, shame on me, but I

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kind of have like a weird thing
for Zach Bagans, who's in Ghost

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Ghost Adventures.
Yeah, I think I know who that.

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Is yeah, he's like the total
bro, like douchey dude, the

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douchey, Yeah, but I'm like, oh,
I kind of like it.

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I kind of like it.
I used.

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I used to have like dreams about
him.

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Like when the show was first, I
was like, Oh my God.

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OK, Zach, like it, It was like
it was like a very yeah, it was

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a though there were there were
different vibes for sure.

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But do I recognize?
Yeah, he's an idiot.

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I mean, is a lot of that shit
fake?

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
But yeah, kind of love it, Yeah.

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Yeah, that.
And that's just it too.

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Like, a lot of that stuff can be
very made for TV, but some of it

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is truly legit.
And so ghost hunting, or as you

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know, we'll refer to it here,
paranormal investigating, which

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is a bit more fancy of a word.
And for short, I might say Pi,

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right, I thought.
You were going to say like

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private investigator?
Yeah, right.

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This is paranormal
investigators, what I'm going to

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mean.
And so really it's the practice

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of investigating locations that
are, you know, purported to be

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haunted by apparitions or or
spirits.

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But generally it's done by
things that are can't be

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explained typically is why you
bring them in in this field.

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It mixes a lot of folklore with
ancient techniques, but also new

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technology, which, you know, I'm
a total nerd.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So when the the technology stuff
comes in, I'm like hails, yes.

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You're all about it.
All about it, yeah.

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But you know, when you mix these
together, like take Voodoo, for

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example, where we talked about
that, we talked about the origin

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of that and how it's kind of a
blend of the Catholic symbols

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and the rituals with more of the
West African beliefs and the

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techniques and things like that.
And you know, that's what made

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all the rich white people
suckers.

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Right.
For it, right?

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So I think that's what happens,
like kind of with this too.

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Like you start mixing all of
that folklore stuff and then

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those ancient techniques with
the new technology.

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It just makes people, you know,
fascinated by it.

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Right.
It's unexplained and often times

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people are looking for answers,
right?

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Well, that's the bottom line.
Yeah, yeah.

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So, so you let's say there's
some kind of unexplained thing

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or they're you're trying to
reach out to like a a loved one

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who tragically died.
Like you're going to try to seek

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any kind of person who says that
they know what the fuck they're

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talking about about this because
no one does.

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And you start getting into the
world of pseudoscience.

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Yes, yes, and scammers.
Scammers, yeah.

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Unfortunately, yeah.
That's a huge piece of it.

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So in this episode, we're going
to talk about the different

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methods that the P is employ in
their work.

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And it's going to be ranging
from old traditional practices

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to this, you know, all this new
modern technological approaches.

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Now, as I mentioned before,
investigators will generally

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focus on events and experiences
that really lack a conventional

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explanation.
It's generally why they're also

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why they're brought in.
And this includes the sightings

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of apparitions, unexplained
noises or objects moving without

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apparent cause.
Yeah, have you ever seen an

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apparition, Alicia?
OK I I've seen some shit I

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cannot explain.
I used to work at the Denver Art

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Museum and it was probably my
favorite job if I could actually

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get paid real money to do what I
would do.

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But because I love art anyway,
it was, there was this point in

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time where there was a lot of
weird shit happening in the in

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the museum.
And it's well known to all of

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the the security guards that
there's like some weird shit.

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So people were seeing things at
that point in time.

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One woman saw like a Victorian,
like a woman with like really

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high neckline inside the
bathroom and she thought it was

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a front like one of the managers
and no one would go down.

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There was like at the end of the
night.

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So everyone was kicked out
dressed up in like Victorian,

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like a Victorian outfit.
So crazy sounds.

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Like Ghostbusters?
Yeah.

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And so I had like around that
time was like within like a two

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week span, a lot of weird shit
was happening at the museum and

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I had something follow me home
and Dave and I were.

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Wait, how do you know?
You know, OK, so first, like a,

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you know, when you OK, like when
you were a teenager, you'd like,

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I would fall asleep during class
would, had you done that before,

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'cause you know, you'd stay up
late or something and like, or

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you fall asleep in some kind of
public space and you can feel

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people looking at you.
Like for me it was like during

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class like you could feel people
like looking at me and.

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Judging you?
Or just like it's just like,

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yes, judging you.
Like, why are you falling

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asleep?
It's like, well, let me tell

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you, But you know, you fall
asleep like, you know, and you

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can feel people, like, staring
at you.

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And so it causes you to wake up.
It's like a different sense.

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So I had that sense that someone
was staring at me.

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And Dave and I had just moved
into this new place and we had

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literally moved like our bed in
and like a couple of boxes and

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like a couch.
So there's like not much in it.

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And it's straight shot into two
windows that like our our

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bedroom, like you could see
right into the living room

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straight ahead.
There were like 2 windows right

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below a a street light.
And so like the street light

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illuminated like those windows
and there were just a couple of

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boxes that were like stacked,
but I saw, I felt like something

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was looking at me and I just
like woke up and I looked like

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out to the living room.
And because I couldn't, I didn't

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shake off when I when I woke up,
I looked out to the living room

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and I saw like this, like it
looks like a child with like a

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white floppy bow on the side of
her head staring at me.

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And it was.
It wasn't.

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Like could you?
How far away was she?

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It was probably like 20 feet
away, 25 feet away, 2025.

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So close.
Pretty close.

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Yeah, it was pretty close.
It was it was a one bedroom

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apartment and literally it was
like kind of like a hallway.

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So like it went, you know,
living room.

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The kitchen was right over and
then, you know, bathroom and

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bedroom were like right like
down kind of like a little

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little hallway, but.
She wasn't like shimmery,

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transparent.
Not shimmery, you know, You know

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when you wake up and you're it's
like black and white and like

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you can't like because it's dark
like you, your eyes can't really

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see color.
So it felt like that, but I knew

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no one was there.
I knew that we did not have

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children.
There was no one short, and I

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knew a lot of weird shit was
going on.

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It freaked me the fuck out.
And I tried waking up Dave.

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I was like, David, David, wake
up.

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There's something.
He's like, you're fine, just go

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back to sleep.
And I'm like, how the fuck am I

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going to go back to sleep after
seeing that?

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You're like, oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah, since you're saying

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so.
But I'm like, fuck it, what do I

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do?
Classic thing.

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Throw the fucking covers over
your head.

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And I just like, kind of curled
into Dave and like, I was like,

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whatever.
Like there's like literally

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nothing.
Yeah, I'm like, just fucking

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fall asleep.
Chill out.

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Like it's fine.
You can't do anything about it.

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And the next night I felt like
it was staring right next to me.

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Like like I was.
It was right next to my bed this

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time.
Oh fuck.

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That yeah.
And so I talked to one of my

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friends.
I was like, what the fuck do I

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do?
And she's like, oh, I have stuff

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like this happen all the time.
She was like kind of psychic and

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I was like, whatever.
She was fucking kind of weird

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too.
But like, and now she's a she.

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She does like undertaking and
stuff like like.

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Like an undertaker.
Yeah, like does like.

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Mortuary like stuff.
Yeah.

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Which, like, totally fucking
figures because that's exactly

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the type of person she has.
Anyways, she told me, you know,

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you have to say like you're not
allowed to come home with me,

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like I'm sure.
Oh yeah, intentions, right?

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Yeah.
And so I did.

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I was like, you're not allowed.
You need to stay at the Art

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Museum.
It's not.

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You're not welcome here.
And after that second night, I

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didn't have anything happen to
me.

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Really.
Yeah.

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Yeah, they say it's tied to like
the Victorian, the kids

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Victorian house on and like in
the if you're at in Denver, the

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Denver Art Museum, there's a a
Victorian child's like Playhouse

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and it's in the European section
of in the old building.

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But that's what.
Full on reconstructed dollhouse.

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It's a dollhouse.
It's a dollhouse, like.

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You could walk in.
No, you can't walk into it.

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It's like a child.
Oh, it's like.

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You could play with your dolls.
Gotcha.

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Yes, from the Victorian era,
Gotcha.

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And so a lot of people, there's
a lot of activity on that floor

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and a lot of people think that
that's where it's.

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Coming.
It's attached.

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Yes, whatever it is is attached
to that dollhouse.

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So yeah, you can go and see it.
Yeah, but people say that

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fucking thing is haunted, and I
can say that like something

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fucking happened.
Wow.

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Yeah.
Have you had anything like that

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happen?
No, but I want to do you know

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so.
So for you, for the listeners,

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we God, I called you Roy, Alicia
and I went to Grant.

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What's Glenwood Springs stayed
in the Hotel Colorado.

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Nothing happened.
No, we were like.

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Determined to catch.
Yeah, we were determined to

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catch like a ghost and or like.
Not even a bump in the night.

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Nothing.
Well shit, going down the

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fucking.
Down the sewer drain.

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The sewer drain right next to my
head, which I was telling you.

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Remember that?
So we had a room and like it was

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2 queen beds and mine is like
near I don't like to sleep near

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the door so I made Kevin see
text to the door.

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Fuck like so that if someone
comes in and I get killed first.

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Exactly.
But you did it, so I told you

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that you're fine with it.
So I But I'm I'm laying down

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next to the shit tube which in
the corner.

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Mind you, these rooms are not
like.

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Oh my God.
Cheap no.

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Yeah, yeah.
We were like, we walked in and

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we were like, we had a million.
We still haven't even created

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that like.
We still need to do, yeah.

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The review but anyways, I like
woke up I'm like, oh, I said

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actually it wasn't that bad like
sleeping last night.

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I said I, I, I like, I like
falling asleep to like running

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water, like, like, you know,
like, like, like, you know, rain

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and stuff.
And you're like, and I was like,

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and there was like something.
And he's like Kevins, like,

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yeah, you mean the shit that's
going by right next to your

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fucking head?
I looked him like, well, thanks.

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Fuck.
Oh my God it's like BIG4 inch

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diameter too that run down the
side of the wall.

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Massive.
It's.

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Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.

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And you're paying.
We're paying.

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Oh my.
God, it was so preposterous and

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we didn't even get a ghost.
We didn't even get a ghost.

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That's really the fucking point.
That was the point, yeah,

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nothing.
So to answer your question, no

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to.
Answer your question.

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I was attempting that, but no,
no.

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Yeah, OK.
So they so also PIS a good Pi

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kernel investigator and they
will start their investigation

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by researching, you know, the
history of the location.

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They want to understand like
what's happened and cover the

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past events in it, in the at the
location, different energies.

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That could potentially be there.
Sure, of course.

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Which exactly?
It can explain things, helps

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explain the phenomena.
They'll study old records,

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interview witnesses, all of
that, just to get the background

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before they do all of that
flashy shenanigans.

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Right, right, Evps.
And like, oh, Gimme a start.

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But it would make sense that
they need to have like some kind

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of like base, base knowledge of
the area that they're.

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In a good one would right?
Sure, yes.

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So they try to be a good Again,
I'm talking about good, valid

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paranormal investigators, not
the ones that are just doing it

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to be famous.
A la Zac Bay.

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A la yeah, a la D bag.
So they try to be systematic,

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methodical, analyze their
findings, be very critical.

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And then while searching for
paranormal causes, credible

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investigators will also consider
an attempt to rule in natural

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explanations.
I mean, you don't want to just

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go it's of whatever, yes.
Right, right.

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If it's a shit tube right next
to you, how do you want to be

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like a shit?
Literally a shit tube.

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So a critical aspect of
paranormal investigation.

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They again have to be very
systematic and they're going to

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use again, the, the, the
knowledge of the historical past

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plus now, and every time it gets
a little bit better, more

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technology.
And we're going to talk about

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each of the types of tools that
a investigator can use in their

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investigation.
So we're going to talk about

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first the tradition, kind of the
traditional stuff.

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So have you ever?
Do you know what a divination

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rod is?
OK, yes, and, and this is where

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our 4th wall once again breaks
because we did a little bit of

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this when we were in Glenwood
Springs.

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And if you go on to our, if you
go on to our TikTok, you'll see

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Kevin using it.
So there's a woman on TikTok and

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I think she also has a YouTube
like, I don't know, some kind of

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crazy name.
It's like soul Shine, you know,

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spiritualist or something, I
don't know.

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Like like.
She she has these dousing rods,

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or what did you call them,
divination rods?

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Divination rods, Yeah.
Or divining rods.

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Spirit rods, Yeah.
Dousing rods.

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Lots of.
Names.

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Yeah, yeah.
But like, she holds them and

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she'll ask, like, questions.
And it might be like, who's

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gonna win the election?
Like, or, or is Kamala here?

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Yeah, so.
So it's always yes or no

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questions.
And you're holding on to these

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rods and they move back and
forth.

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And so we did our own little
spoof of.

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Yeah, we sure did.
But see, she's so very serious.

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She's incredibly serious,
incredibly.

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Submit questions to her yes, and
she will answer them using the

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dousing rods.
Or the dousing rods.

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Yes or no or like undecided or
something or like no answer.

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No answer.
Yeah, no.

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Answer, they don't move right.
So like it goes anywhere between

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like, you know, practical, like
question like will, you know,

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will the you know, who's going
to win the the 2024 election or

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you know, to something crazy
like did was Jesus an alien in

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like this?
You know, whatever any yes, no

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question you can imagine.
It's it's insane.

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It's crazy.
So like that's, that's one of

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the ways that I know about
divination was and like, didn't

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they used to like discover
water?

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Yeah, yeah.
That's.

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Why?
I think that's what they were.

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That's how I used.
That's how I always knew them

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until, I mean, not recently, but
I knew that after.

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Later I realized, oh, they're
using those to connect to

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spirits.
Right, right.

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So it's just.
Fascinating.

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It's like a communication.
Which I guess that makes sense.

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Like if you if you can use
physical objects to somehow

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communicate with another
dimension or spirits, then why

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not rods?
I mean, like, you know what I

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mean?
And the idea is that it's easier

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to move.
I think I've told you the story

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about trying to move the crystal
in the in the glass, right?

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It's the same thing, like the
idea that's free form.

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So it's easier to move than, you
know, a boulder.

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Right, right.
It's a little bit easier.

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You can concentrate on it, yeah.
And it does, yeah.

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It doesn't take as much energy,
Right, Right.

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So if you're, you know,
communicating with spirits,

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they're dead.
They don't have as much energy

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to like put forth.
Right, yes, I guess this is the

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the the idea.
Yes, trigger objects.

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So trigger object is an item
placed in a location with the

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intention of attracting a
spirit.

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Oh yeah.
Ghost hunters choose objects

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that may have significance to
the spirit, such as a personal

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belonging or a toy or something
like that.

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Then this object is monitored
for movement or other signs of

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interaction with which are
considered evidence of a ghostly

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presence.
Now, if you remember, we talked

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about something similar on
Flight 401 that episode and how

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the planes that were used, they
used parts of the plane from

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Flight 4 O one in other planes.
And then for those planes,

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people reported apparitions and
sightings because the energy was

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attached to those pieces.
Yes, yes.

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So same kind of I guess concept
with the trigger objects.

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It helps especially like
mediums.

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If if Pis use mediums then they
can bring a medium and they

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would also help them.
You can use trigger trigger

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objects.
Right.

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Even Tyler Henry, who does like
love the second.

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Love the yeah.
I love him too.

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He's not only he just.
Freaking adorable.

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He's so adorable and he's so
sweet, so sweet.

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But he he often times will have
trigger items just to like

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connect to an energy or
something.

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Exactly.
Or, or like places like, you

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know, you might have like toys
where kids used to be to like

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potentially, yeah.
Right, right.

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Exactly.
OK then of course there are

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things that we all or know about
and we see them on TV.

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Seances and seances are
gatherings where participants

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attempt to communicate with
spirits, often with the help of

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of a medium.
And this practice involves a

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group of people sitting in a
circle, sometimes with their

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hands joined.
They create this connection to

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the spirit world and then
seances have been used.

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This is the 19th century.
I mean, like very ancient, you

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know, old practice.
Now we did an episode a long

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while ago and we also talked
about, I can't remember what the

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episode was, something ghost
specific, but we talked about

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how they would use these seances
and these boards, chalkboards

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and stuff.
Yes, but it was a scam.

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Yes, it was a total scam.
It was.

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It wasn't communicating with the
Spirit.

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Yes, that was the episode.
Yeah, yes, Yeah.

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Well, they would use complete
trickery to get people out of it

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was money it?
Was really just manipulation of

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people like that was that like,
and it was during the Victorian

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era, which like people were all,
yes, super gullible and like,

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spiritualism was a huge thing.
But yeah, seances aren't

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necessarily like a bad or like,
you know, you, they can be used

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like a like a medium, like maybe
someone like Tyler Henry who is,

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would that technically be a
seance?

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Like let's say Tyler Henry was
in a group reading.

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No, because I think a seance
involves, you know, that's a

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good question though, because.
Yeah, what's like the

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difference?
But what is the difference?

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Because this says the practice
involves a group of people

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sitting in a circle, sometimes
hands join to create a

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connection to the spirit world,
where as what Tyler does, I

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guess he typically, well, he's
not always, but he does

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sometimes do the group where he
tries to get lots of spirits in.

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But yeah, I mean, that's a good
question.

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Like what defines a seance
versus, you know, a medium being

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at the group of people?
That's interesting question.

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I don't know.
I don't.

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I mean, I think when it comes to
like a medium, a medium is like

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someone who can talk directly
with, you know, a group of

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people.
Maybe a seance is where

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everyone's energy is being used
in order to allow that like,

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conversation happening.
I don't fucking know, sorry.

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OK, then there's spirit writing.
Yes.

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Now spirit writing also, this is
known as automatic writing or

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psychography, which you've also
talked about before.

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And this is a psychic ability
that allows people to write

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words without being conscious of
it.

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And practitioners believe that
spirits are manipulating their

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hand while holding a writing
instrument like a pen or a

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pencil.
Now, typically, a paranormal

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investigator typically wouldn't
have this ability.

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So this is when they would.
Paranormal investigators will

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generally get the help of a
psychic or a medium, and then

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the medium or the psychic would
use this particular skill.

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I've tried this before with my
mom when I was young.

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Yeah.
You did this like when you were

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like 7 or something, you and
your mom would do it.

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We'd actually do it.
Yeah.

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And this was like something we
had talked about quite a few

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times that you guys had been
doing it and you would get

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answers.
I would actually do it.

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Yeah.
My dad actually remembers me

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doing it.
And I, I think my dad remembers

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his, what we call you call your
guide or your spirit guide's

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name.
I would ask his name.

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I think it was Alan, because.
And then, yes, we tried to do

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spirit writing and then it felt
like an Allen.

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It was an Allen that came
through.

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But it wasn't spirit writing,
was it?

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I think that it was.
Was it the Ouija board that we

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used?
Oh, it was the Ouija board.

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Yeah.
Which is another one.

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That was the next one.
So Speaking of a Ouija board, if

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you don't know, is this is flat
board.

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00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,760
It's marked with letters and
numbers, and it's used to

455
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,680
communicate with the spirits by
spelling out a message.

456
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,480
So the participants will hold,
but then we'll touch a a

457
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,480
planchette.
It's a little triangular device,

458
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,560
has a window in it, and all the
participants will lightly touch

459
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,120
it.
And the idea is that you ask

460
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:35,600
questions and the spirits would
spell out the response, hovering

461
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,760
the window over a letter.
There's also a yes and a no.

462
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,720
Now, despite the tremendous
skepticism, this is actually one

463
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,760
of the most common tools with
ghost hunting when they pull in

464
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,400
a medium.
Oh, it's a Ouija board.

465
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,320
Really.
Yes.

466
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,880
I don't know why I did not think
that I would have thought that.

467
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,640
Yeah, that I guess like, but I
guess it's.

468
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,240
Almost like yeah, exactly.
Spirit world texting.

469
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,840
Yeah, yeah, which is a lot
easier than like trying to have

470
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,040
someone like interpret data or
information, or trying to read

471
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,680
someone's shitty handwriting.
Yes, yes, other and yeah, I

472
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,080
guess unless you can't do like
what?

473
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,600
What was his name?
The blonde cute blonde guy.

474
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,360
Oh, Tyler Henry.
Yeah, who actually gets, I

475
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,680
guess, pictures and images and
can kind of, rather than having

476
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,200
to, you know, be spelled out the
words, he can actually see them.

477
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,360
And yes, yeah.
Yeah, and he has to interpret.

478
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Interpret like the interpret.
It.

479
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

480
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:46,920
Do you know what divination is?
I always get divination

481
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,440
confused.
Is is divination where?

482
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,280
That doesn't have to do with
numbers, does it?

483
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,640
That's the, you know, with a
divination mat and a divination

484
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,680
pendulum and crystal.
Yes, I do know that, yeah.

485
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,240
This one I don't fully
understand.

486
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,120
I guess it's the same concept as
like I was talking about before,

487
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,560
when you can start moving things
with your mind and a crystal on

488
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,720
a chain is easier than, you
know, a heavy object or some

489
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,360
object.
But I'm not fully sure what's

490
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,240
supposed to happen if you hold
it.

491
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,080
Is the crystal literally
supposed to RIP RIP RIP or you

492
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,840
know what I mean?
So I've done, I had a friend who

493
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,440
was really into it for a while
and for years.

494
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,800
So she would do it.
We'd ask it questions and stuff

495
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,280
like.
That.

496
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,640
But, and she would use it and
like, here's the, here's the

497
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080
thing.
So the idea behind it is that

498
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,280
like the properties within the
crystal or the what is it

499
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,400
fucking called?
Like like whatever, like type of

500
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,800
rock or stone, it is like
they're able to manipulate or

501
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,680
like utilize the, the energy
within that.

502
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560
Like it's just easier for it to
move through.

503
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Like the energy to move through
almost like maybe acting as if

504
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,640
it's a battery that can be moved
like a battery like so it can

505
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,840
hold energy and then move it.
So when you're holding onto the

506
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,880
pendulum, you're, you're
balancing it and it's hanging

507
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,000
off of a chain.
But here's the problem with

508
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680
that.
It's those involuntary movements

509
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,720
that you have.
That make yes that it's the

510
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,960
crystal moving.
Yes, yes, yes.

511
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,520
So it's like like just a little
slight like, you know, shake of

512
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,120
your hand or let's say you're
holding it up against like your

513
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,280
knee or something and your legs
slightly moving or your heart's

514
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,960
beating fast like I'm assuming
that's going to move it.

515
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,320
And So what it what the pendulum
will do is it'll like go around

516
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,440
in a circle.
It will arc like from one side

517
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,880
to the next go like maybe it'll
go left and right or like

518
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200
forwards and backwards like, you
know, those are like the

519
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,280
different ways that it can go.
And then people will find out

520
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,840
what their yeses and their nose
are.

521
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,000
So you're still asking like the
dowsing rods like the same yes

522
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840
or nose questions.
It's not like texting.

523
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,480
Yeah, and those divination mats,
I think they just have more

524
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160
options.
They do so like that swings over

525
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,000
to a yes or to a no or to maybe
or sure or like ask, you know,

526
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360
like a magic 8 ball.
Yeah Magic 8 ball.

527
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,320
That's next time I let I'm just.
Kidding.

528
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,040
How did you know this is another
definition tool?

529
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:28,480
OK so but now let's talk about
more modern technological

530
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,240
methods.
OK so one of them is an EMF or

531
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,800
electromagnetic field meter.
And now this one measures

532
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,720
electromagnetic fields which
ghost hunters believe can

533
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,240
indicate presidents presence of
a spirit.

534
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,800
Now, the theory is that spirits
disrupt the natural

535
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,800
electromagnetic field, and
that's what causes the

536
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,440
fluctuations and the spikes, and
they can be detected by this

537
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,080
meter.
And I don't know if you've ever

538
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680
pardon me, I don't know if
you've ever probably not done

539
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,400
electrical work.
No.

540
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,160
Not recently.
Kevin, I don't work with my

541
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,200
hands, not like that.
So there's this thing where you

542
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,040
can use it to detect if a wire
is hot or not, and all you have

543
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,880
to do is just kind of hold it up
and it will go off.

544
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,800
If there's like something
passing through it, whether it

545
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,920
be electricity or data, you can
use it for data cable like.

546
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,760
OK.
Or what about like Christmas

547
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,320
lights?
You can tell if something.

548
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,520
That's and that's a good
example.

549
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,080
Yes, they have that too, like
the Christmas light bulb fixer

550
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,080
and you can go is this 1 burnt?
Is this 1 burnt?

551
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Yeah, same find the one that's
burnt.

552
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Same concept.
Yeah, same concept.

553
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Well, this is the same thing.
Like it detects electromagnetic

554
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,600
fields.
They're just in a much better

555
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,080
range.
But those you have to hold, like

556
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,040
hold, literally hold up to the
cable with these.

557
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Like, you know, it's much
broader, right?

558
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,400
We played with one and like, it
can detect some weird shit.

559
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Like at one point we thought the
kids acting weird.

560
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,000
Yeah, we could not we.
It was like going really fucking

561
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,640
high, like the.
The brand like for no reason.

562
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
No reason we didn't move it or
anything.

563
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,640
But then we're like, OK, well,
was was something like we had a

564
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Cam or I don't know, it was the
microphone, wireless microphone

565
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,840
or something.
We like, we chalked it up to

566
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,440
that, yes, but that's see that's
the problem with these things

567
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,320
like there's too many things in
our air, right that can affect

568
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,040
that and that, you know,
microwaves and radio signals and

569
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,560
cellular.
Signals.

570
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
And satellites that are like too
much.

571
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Well, yeah, I think that like
that could, could have been a

572
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,160
great tool had we been, you
know, even like 30 years ago.

573
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,480
Exactly.
But today I've like, I don't

574
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,400
know, I have fucking, I have an
Apple Watch.

575
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760
I have, you know, Bluetooth.
I have an iPad.

576
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Bluetooth, that's a great
example that radiates like 30

577
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,160
feet, right, right.
So.

578
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,640
So it's so if you're, yeah, if
you're trying to like good luck,

579
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,360
go out into Podunk, wherever and
hope.

580
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Exactly.
But like, yeah, I don't know how

581
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,040
reliable they are.
Have you tried using that the

582
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,320
EMF detector?
Not beyond when we were at the

583
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:35,160
hotel, no again, 'cause I'm
like, there's, there's too many

584
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,920
variables.
I couldn't trust it like to be,

585
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,640
oh, what's going off?
It's a spirit.

586
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,360
No, there's too much shit in my
house, especially my house.

587
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,040
I know your house.
It's my house is crazy.

588
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Yeah, in a good way.
OK, then there's EVPS which is

589
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,520
electronic voice phenomenon.
Yes, your favorite.

590
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,000
My favorite thing ever.
They're so great.

591
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,719
You are obsessed with Evps, Yes.
Like Kevin sends me Evps like

592
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,560
multiple times a week and I'm
like Kevin Layoff.

593
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,800
This is not saying anything.
Oh my God.

594
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,280
So Evps refer to sounds found on
electronic recording devices

595
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
that are interpreted as spirit
voices.

596
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,840
Ghost hunters use digital
recorders to capture ambient

597
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,080
sounds, later analyzing
recordings for voices or noises

598
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,440
that were not heard during the
recording session.

599
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Now, some ghost hunters believe
that spirits can communicate

600
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,480
through these recordings.
What do you think about EV?

601
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,679
PS Alicia.
I don't.

602
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,800
Know OK, so do I think that like
EV PS are something that like

603
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,520
people that, you know, spirits
could potentially like, you know

604
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,640
communicate through like I think
that there are like, you know

605
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,760
potentially radio signals like
things that like they can

606
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,040
potentially manipulate.
I think that there's also the

607
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,960
idea of suggestion, which we've
talked about in our Mandela

608
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Effect podcast.
We talk about how suggestibility

609
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,280
is pretty strong and like, how
easy even for, like, lip readers

610
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,640
and stuff to misinterpret what's
being said or to make something

611
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,120
out of nothing.
Right?

612
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,680
Like, it's so easy for us.
Like, if someone says, hey, what

613
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920
does this say?
You're like, OK, well, it says

614
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,200
something.
If someone's telling me it says

615
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,440
something, then I have to figure
out, oh.

616
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,600
Yeah, yeah.
That that could be it.

617
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,320
Yeah, it says Auntie Am, I want
to come home.

618
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,240
You know, like you're like, oh,
yeah, Actually, I do hear that.

619
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,240
I do.
Hear Auntie AM.

620
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,960
Yeah, what the heck.
But in reality, like I, I think

621
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,360
that I would love to believe it.
It's one of those things that I

622
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,200
would love to believe.
But in reality it I just don't

623
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,320
think it's I, I don't, I don't
buy it.

624
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,760
I don't buy it.
Like, I've seen some television

625
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,200
or some, you know, like ghost
hunter shows where the, you

626
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,920
know, all this obviously has to
be recorded for television and

627
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,600
they'll play back and you can
literally hear something say,

628
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,440
you know, like, get out.
Yeah, Like, it's pretty clear.

629
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,280
Yes.
So I, I think that kind of

630
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:27,000
exists.
But like 99.999% of the time, I

631
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,760
think this is exactly what you
said.

632
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,200
It's just suggestion.
Yeah, it's incredibly rare.

633
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,760
Yeah, I think incredibly rare.
And and again, Flight 4 O1, we

634
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,440
talked about this and I kind of
go off on a tangent about this,

635
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,920
a hole that tries to convince
you about something that's not

636
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,400
real.
And I think it's just just it,

637
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,800
it's just trying to convince
you.

638
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Yeah, just.
Have you seen the thing on

639
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,000
TikTok?
Bad lip reading.

640
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,880
Yes, yeah, yeah.
It's the best.

641
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:56,920
It's so good.
And you?

642
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,720
See the one about like where
they do like Senate hearings and

643
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,520
stuff.
Oh yeah, they'll do it on

644
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,720
everything, right?
It looks real.

645
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,640
You're like, Oh my God, they
literally said my I have a tack

646
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,560
in my flip flop.
Yeah, yeah.

647
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,560
You're like, why would they say
that?

648
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,720
They're wearing like flip flops.
That just goes to your point

649
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,720
like.
Suggestibility, yeah.

650
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,680
Yeah, I mean, we all know it's
fake, right?

651
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,280
It's intended.
But my point being is that it

652
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,000
looks, it looks exactly like
what they're saying.

653
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,680
Yeah, but it goes to show like,
like, OK, so you have all these

654
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,680
tools in a toolbox, right?
Like some of them are going to

655
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,480
be useful at sometimes and some
of them just won't be right.

656
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,760
Like you don't need a fucking
soccer wrench for everything.

657
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,280
Like you sometimes you need a
fucking hammer.

658
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,440
And, you know, all of these
things like coexisting together

659
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,040
like could, could they, you
know, make sense for API like I

660
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,520
think I think it could.
Point.

661
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,480
That's the point.
Yes, exactly.

662
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Exactly.
So then we have infrared

663
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,880
thermometers and thermal imaging
cameras, and these detect heat

664
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,760
or sometimes the opposite cold,
allowing ghost centers to see

665
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
temperature variations that
could indicate the presence of a

666
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,320
spirit.
Cold spots or unexplained heat

667
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680
signatures are considered
potential evidence of paranormal

668
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,320
activity.
If you.

669
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,920
So this one, I kind of get torn
with this one because if you if

670
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:30,240
you believe that a spirit can be
hot or cold, then that means

671
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,280
there's somehow physically in
this plane.

672
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,320
Yeah, yeah.
Because they manipulate it.

673
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,000
Maybe that's what it is.
They're manipulating it just

674
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,760
like they would could move
things I guess.

675
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,360
Same concept maybe?
Could it also just be an aspect

676
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:55,280
of the phenomena that like, you
know, you're like you, you are

677
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,320
OK, let's say like it's an
energy and like the energy just

678
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,040
like like OK, like heat, like
heat, you know, you have

679
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440
different energy and like it can
create heat.

680
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,840
Like it'll get warmer if things
are like interacting with each

681
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,400
other.
So, so perhaps it can do the

682
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,600
same thing like this phenomena
causes this cold spot like this

683
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,440
energy is like that's like a by
product of the energy being

684
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,240
there.
So I'm with you like I think

685
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:27,640
there could be a lot like could
it once again, is it a, is it a

686
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,680
fucking Flathead screwdriver in
the toolbox?

687
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,280
Like potentially like, but is
there is it necessary?

688
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,640
Like isn't there like?
What do these things do?

689
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,320
It adds like what scientific
credence or validity right I.

690
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Guess that's just it too.
Like when you Add all of these

691
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,400
things like, well, not one thing
is the answer.

692
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,240
It's like a combination of
things in context of.

693
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:54,960
Their views or whatever, right?
Mm hmm.

694
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,960
That's true then they have night
vision cameras.

695
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Yes, that's for documenting
paranormal activity in low light

696
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,080
conditions.
These cameras use infrared

697
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,000
light.
To illuminate things, allowing

698
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,760
ghost hunters to capture
evidence in complete darkness.

699
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,080
You know, we've all seen TV
shows where it's complete.

700
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,960
Silence of the Lambs is a great
one.

701
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,640
That one freaks me out so much,
that scene.

702
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,280
But then, so this is just me
being Mr. Skepticism.

703
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,720
Why do Why do they have to be at
night?

704
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Well, we know the answer because
it's dramatic.

705
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,600
Dramatic for sure, but also if
someone's going to like a public

706
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,000
area, like let's say it's like a
a mansion or something or you

707
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,120
know, a government building,
like nobody's going to be there

708
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,640
after right after like work
hours.

709
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,200
So if you're going to try to do
an investigation in some of

710
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,840
these or there it's a museum
like Molly Brown house.

711
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,200
So it's going.
To be a night you.

712
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,880
You can only do it at night
because there's no like people

713
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360
are using it during the day.
It's being, you know, there's

714
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,160
too much interference with the
public.

715
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,840
Yeah, I I guess I get that,
yeah.

716
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,040
It but is it does it also add to
the dramatics like on a

717
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,720
television show like a
television show could definitely

718
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,160
buy out the space, right?
Like if they really wanted to go

719
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,360
to go to somewhere like they
could do it during the.

720
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,480
Day, but that's not as creepy.
It's it's never as creepy or

721
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,240
dramatic.
No.

722
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,760
Yeah, yeah.
Motion detectors is another one.

723
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,080
We all kind of know what those
are the same kind of concept.

724
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Then we have spirit boxes.
We will this.

725
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Have you ever heard of the Estes
method?

726
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,160
OK, Yeah, actually I had never,
I did not know what you were

727
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,440
talking about when we had talked
about this before.

728
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,440
But please tell me, tell me
again because I remember it but

729
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,240
I don't think a lot of people
know about the Estes method.

730
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:11,440
OK, so a spirit box is a device
that go rapidly scans radio, the

731
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,480
radio frequency.
So imagine if you had a an AM FM

732
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,400
radio and you started at 88 and
you're scrolling up through the

733
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,480
stations really fast to the top
one, and then you go back to the

734
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,680
bottom.
You just keep doing this

735
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,680
repeatedly.
OK, That's that's what an

736
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,720
actual, that's ultimately what a
spirit box is.

737
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,600
It's non-stop.
It's like you you turn on.

738
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,280
And it's just constantly, it
just keeps.

739
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,920
Doing that exactly and it so
this basically creates this

740
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
noise bed that spirits are
believed that they can

741
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,800
manipulate to form words or
phrases these these sounds that

742
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,440
are generated through scanning
through these radio frequencies

743
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,200
rapidly.
Now ghost hunters use spirit

744
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,200
boxes to facilitate real time
communication with spirits

745
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,760
interpreting any coherent sounds
as messages from the beyond.

746
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Now here's a fun fact, the Estes
method.

747
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,640
It was developed by a guy named
Carl Pfeiffer during an

748
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,640
investigation at the famous
Stanley Hotel.

749
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Which is where?
Estes Park Co.

750
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:24,240
There you go.
So we played with this a little

751
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,520
bit.
We did, yeah.

752
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,840
And Alicia put on the
headphones.

753
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,160
So here's the s s method.
So let me explain the s s

754
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,280
method.
So you have one person who has

755
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,400
there's supposed to be noise
cancelling headphones and they

756
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,360
put them on.
And so when you turn on the

757
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,240
spirit box and start scanning
through the sounds, all they the

758
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,680
person with the headphones hears
is the scanning of the radio

759
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,840
frequency.
They can't hear the other person

760
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,160
in the room.
And the other person in the room

761
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:05,400
asks questions of the spirit.
And what the responsibility of

762
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,320
the person wearing the
headphones is, is they're

763
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,960
supposed to say out when they
hear something, a word or

764
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,200
phrase, they're supposed to just
say it, right?

765
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,080
They can't hear the person
asking the question.

766
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:27,800
So if I'm listening and I'm
going celebrity, they're hearing

767
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,160
all this noise like, I don't
know, green wall.

768
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,840
Yeah, yeah.
So.

769
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
So the other person's asking the
question and you're also, you're

770
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,440
supposed to be like sensory
depth.

771
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,320
It's like sensory deprivation.
So you have masks, so you can't

772
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
look at the person who's, you
know, asking a question.

773
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,040
So you're not, you're not
reading their lips or like

774
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,720
interpreting what they're
saying.

775
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,840
All you're doing is listening to
the radio for and honestly, like

776
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,080
as we were scanning through it,
I couldn't hear anything but the

777
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,640
radio because it's so loud and
it's, and I was, I had no noise

778
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,680
cancelling headphones.
So it was like just constantly

779
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,520
going through and cycling
through and you're asking

780
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,120
questions the whole time.
And you had tight blindfolds on

781
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,880
so you could had no light.
Yep.

782
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,280
Yes.
And the whole time she's doing

783
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,400
this, I'm asking questions like,
are there any spirits?

784
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,920
What is your name?
How did you die?

785
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,400
You know the questions like that
And then letting Alicia you

786
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,560
know.
The idea is that then the spirit

787
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,760
is communicating ultimately
through hearing my questions and

788
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,320
then manipulating the sound
waves so that Alicia would say

789
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,360
the word and or the words in
response to the question.

790
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,960
Yeah.
It was a bust it.

791
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Was a bust.
There were a couple.

792
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,440
Of there was a couple of times
when she would say things that

793
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,680
kind of made sense to what I was
asking.

794
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,240
What you think about is kind of
weird because you don't know

795
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,680
what I'm asking.
For it to fit is kind of odd.

796
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,040
But for the most part, it didn't
really work.

797
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,480
There are videos out there where
you see people doing this, where

798
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,080
it's supposedly real.
That seems like crazy.

799
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,960
You're like, whoa.
And so this is, this is kind of

800
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,200
what I will say about it.
I, I think like, is there

801
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,840
actually something to this?
I think that there could

802
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,080
potentially be something to
this.

803
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,520
But also I don't think I knew
what I was doing or what I was

804
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,640
listening for.
So it was really hard because

805
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,560
it's scanning through so
quickly.

806
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,760
It's really hard to pick out
words.

807
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,440
So I'd hear something like there
was something that you had said

808
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,800
and the thing laughed like I
heard.

809
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,840
Oh yeah, because one time you
went.

810
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,280
Ha ha ha ha.
Yeah.

811
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,560
And it was fucking creepy on the
receiving end because I didn't

812
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,600
know what he was saying.
And all of a sudden I heard ha

813
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,920
ha ha, like in there.
And so I just repeated it and

814
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,360
I'm like, Oh my God, this is so
scary.

815
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,400
Like, what is he asking?
Is it, is it ha, I'm going to,

816
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,920
are you going to kill us?
Ha, ha, ha, ha.

817
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,640
Oh God, yeah.
But I think that, I think part

818
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,240
of it is, you know, you have to
get to know how to use the

819
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:12,360
technology.
So I, I will say maybe like I

820
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,920
the cool thing about the s s
method is you can get answers

821
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,320
pretty quickly.
Like you don't have to wait

822
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,040
around.
You don't have to use someone

823
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,880
else.
You know, it's you and your

824
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,960
friend.
You can like be asking questions

825
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,520
and if you get to know how like
what to listen for or in your

826
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,000
headset, then it's easier to
interpret what's being said.

827
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,280
It just sounds like static like
cycling through.

828
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,040
So it's a little overwhelming to
be honest when you're.

829
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,680
Doing yeah, yeah.
It's not silence and then just

830
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,920
one you.
Know constant noise.

831
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560
It's constant noise.
So it's like it's, it's, it's a

832
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,280
lot to do.
So like a lot of these like

833
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,600
paranormal investigators, if
they're doing this, they've been

834
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,880
doing it for a while.
So that's why they have such

835
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000
great results is like, maybe
they know how to use it a little

836
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,480
bit better or they're also doing
it over hours and hours of time.

837
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,560
I think we maybe did it for like
10-15 minutes.

838
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,360
Yeah, it wasn't very.
Long.

839
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Not very long, but if we had
like two hours, maybe footage,

840
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,960
we probably would have several
answers that made sense.

841
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,240
But.
Do you think you could listen to

842
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,520
it for that long?
I don't think I could.

843
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,520
I don't.
Think I could like it's complete

844
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,560
like you said, sensory
deprivation, yes, with nothing

845
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,880
but crazy radio static.
Yes, in your ear, I think.

846
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,400
That would kind of drive you
insane.

847
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,520
It does.
And like, it was kind of scary.

848
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,360
I was telling Kevin, yeah, I was
telling Kevin that like, because

849
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,760
we, we recorded it and it kind
of freaked me out while we were

850
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,000
like going through like the
stations at like there was a

851
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,280
point in time I'm like, Oh my
God, I don't know what's going

852
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,680
on.
Like I have no like I I'm a

853
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,840
control freak and have to
relinquish some control.

854
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Toe what?
100%, yeah.

855
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,280
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, you, you still need to do

856
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,240
it.
I mean, you might just be

857
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:56,840
better.
I need to try it, Yeah.

858
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:58,600
I just because I want to
experience it.

859
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,840
You, yes, you have to.
We have to do it.

860
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,880
Yeah, we'll do that.
And then yeah, we can maybe post

861
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,640
it on our one of our socials.
I do think that's like one of

862
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,760
the more legitimate ones, at
least from my perspective.

863
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,240
Yeah, I was going to ask you
like out of all of these.

864
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,760
Yeah, like.
I think the well and we, we kind

865
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,400
of made fun of it like the
dowsing.

866
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,920
OK, so here's the thing.
If you are honest about it, the

867
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,120
problem is a lot of people are
not.

868
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,680
If you're honest about it and
you know how to use a tool

869
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,640
really well, you can do a lot of
things with it.

870
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,360
So perhaps like things like
dowsing rods, like people

871
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,520
actually can get some kind of
communication through.

872
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Like, I'm not going to say it's
all bullshit, right?

873
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,640
Like I think 99% of it is
bullshit.

874
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Like, but is there still 1% for
sure?

875
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,240
Yeah, I totally believe that.
But the dowsing rods are so easy

876
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,960
to manipulate like I don't.
So easy.

877
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Well in our spoof even like I
did everything I could not to

878
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,840
move my hands and like some of
like you can't see my hands

879
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,320
moving but I've controlling the
answers.

880
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,920
He yes, like we we were shooting
it.

881
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,320
We knew how we wanted it to.
Yes, we knew how we wanted it to

882
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,120
work.
And so you would slightly shift.

883
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,280
Just it takes nothing.
Nothing, it takes nothing.

884
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,320
You were way better at it than I
was.

885
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,240
I mine were just like moving
around the whole time.

886
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,120
But I think that one's bullshit
like, you know, then again, like

887
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,880
I do like the Estes method.
I think you're right with the E

888
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,840
or the electrical.
Though is it the EMPS?

889
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,120
The EMF.
EMF detector, I think.

890
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,880
I just feel like, like the idea
is really cool, but we just have

891
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,240
so much technology in our world.
Agreed.

892
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,880
I mean, it's just it's so hard.
Unless you were like, in the

893
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,160
middle of nowhere.
Yeah, like in a cabin.

894
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,760
Dead zone?
Yeah, nothing.

895
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,280
And you didn't?
Have your phone on you, right?

896
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,520
You know, like that's the only
way that I could like, buy it

897
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,520
right in like a ghost.
Like I can't buy it any other

898
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,560
way.
Agreed.

899
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,360
And even then, I would doubt it.
So I think that like a lot of

900
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,640
these things could be used, but
like, they have to be incredibly

901
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,840
specific.
But there's a lot of charlatans

902
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,640
out there.
That's the thing too.

903
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,800
So if you're like, if, if
someone's coming to you and is

904
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,600
like, hey, I'm having like, you
know, I want to talk to my

905
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600
daughter and she died and like,
you know, can you help me or

906
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,960
like there's like some weird
stuff happening in my house.

907
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,400
Like what are you going to do?
Like are you going to take $1000

908
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520
from them?
And and fix the plumbing issue

909
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,440
or are you going to like and
like do a like an overnight

910
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,520
investigation, AKA fixing their
plumbing and charge overcharging

911
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,480
them?
Like, it's so easy to do that

912
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,400
kind of shit and to take
advantage of people.

913
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,840
Totally.
And I think that's the rub on a

914
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:44,960
lot of these things.
I.

915
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Know and it also it makes the
good ones not but I mean go into

916
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,800
the pool of bad.
Right, right.

917
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,320
Unfortunately, Well, every,
yeah, everyone just doubts them

918
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,080
the validity of them.
Exactly so.

919
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,480
Yeah, I mean, what about you?
I'm with you.

920
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,040
I'm with you.
I think some of it is, some of

921
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,520
it is legit.
I think some of it can be legit.

922
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:14,200
Yeah, a lot of it is
shenanigans, people taking care

923
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,080
advantage of people I don't
know.

924
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,240
Yeah, I, I I'll leave it at
that.

925
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,040
I I there's plausibility to all
of it possible majority of the

926
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,520
time I'd say.
It's bullshit, Yes.

927
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,160
Yeah, totally agree.
Unfortunately, I know we always

928
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,120
like wish that these things were
real.

929
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,560
When we went, we went to
Glenwood where like, we're going

930
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,120
to find a ghost.
We know we're going.

931
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,320
To we'll see.
And that's the other thing we

932
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,840
always talk about.
It's like as as and let me just

933
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,480
say this, if you're going to try
this stuff like it's always

934
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:56,320
about intention, like make sure
you don't have any effed up

935
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,280
intentions because you're just
asking for trouble.

936
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,520
Absolutely.
So just go in with a very

937
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:14,440
peaceful intention behind it and
you'll be OK.

938
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,480
But if you go in there going, Oh
yeah, like I'm going to let

939
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,080
Satan out of the hell hole and
then, yeah, that kind of

940
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,040
craziness.
I mean, you're just asking for

941
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,640
trouble.
Yeah, it's like leaving your

942
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,880
door open, open up wide.
Like your house door.

943
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,640
You leave your house door open
up wide.

944
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Who's going to come in?
Not like the per the good House

945
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,880
guest who like exactly who like
who you know.

946
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,120
People aren't going to come in
your house.

947
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,960
No, no, it's always going to be
the riff raff, so just be

948
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,160
careful when you're opening up
these doors.

949
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:47,120
Good analogy, yeah.
And Evps, by the way, top of my

950
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,280
list about shenanigans, I just
have to say that.

951
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,200
That's why I'm like teasing him.
He absolutely hates.

952
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Him So now with with all of
these tools put together, you

953
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,440
can imagine, right?
They all paint a picture.

954
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,800
Right.
And not it's not just one thing

955
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,880
that's going to answer the
question, but all of these like

956
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,000
we said before can add validity
or support another thing under

957
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,760
the circumstances and attention
that it was done.

958
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:25,760
Yes, yeah.
So all can be useful and that's

959
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,040
it.
I mean, so just I guess I would

960
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:37,480
like to leave people with are
saying, like we say in the top

961
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,440
of every show is keep an open
mind, keep a skeptical ear, yes,

962
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,560
don't be gullible.
People are gonna try to take

963
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,000
advantage.
We're gonna try to take

964
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,600
advantage.
Just just use your own common

965
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,720
sense.
Yes, yes, and be safe.

966
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,080
Yes, and be safe.
Yeah, do do the Ouija stuff and

967
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,160
just be safe.
Please, yeah, be safe about it,

968
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,880
yeah.
Well, thanks for joining me

969
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,680
today.
Oh my God, thank you so much

970
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,440
all.
Right, we'll talk to you soon.

971
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Very soon.
OK, see ya, see ya.

972
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:07,480
Bye.