Charles the Mad: France’s King of Glass & the Ball of the Burning Men

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Charles the Mad, France's King
of Class and the Ball of Burning

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Men.
Well, hello, Hello, hello,

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hello.
Hey, girl.

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How are we doing, Kevin?
Great beautiful morning.

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Yes, we're.
Casting, which I love to do.

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I know, I know.
We're casting and it's spooky

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season.
This is like, this is like our

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season.
The weird, the MC Cobb.

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Yes.
We love it.

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Love it.
It's so, it's so funny when we

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were talking about what we're
going to do for the month of

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October, it's like, where can't
we go with it?

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Like the whole, our entire
podcast is really like the

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creepy, the crazy, the spooky in
general.

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Exactly so.
Anything but the norm.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anything bizarre, right?

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So we got to figure out too,
what our what our costumes are

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going to be.
We have to do a we do, we do

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need to do an episode with some
dress up.

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We used to do it all the time,
but.

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Well, then we have it's a ton.
It is a podcast which we have

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been.
Reminded of frequently.

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Very like, very sweetly
reminded.

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But nonetheless, we have been
reminded we we do need to and

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actually one thing like so
unrelated.

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Actually, no, no, I have a tie
in to this.

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For this we we are starting to
do a DND campaign with some

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friends.
Yes.

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So gosh, maybe we could dress up
like our DND characters.

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That could be fun.
Yeah, it's not spooky, but it's

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dress up, it's costume.
It's it's dressed up and like

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that's, that's.
What Halloween's about.

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That's what we that's what we
love.

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Yeah.
And home OK.

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Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, I.

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Like it?
Yeah, we have.

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We have a campaign this month,
in the month of October and you

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know, we never do things like
half assed.

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We always.
Know we always.

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Go.
Right.

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Like we're doing full on
Nerdville DND.

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Like imagine the stereotypical
nerdy DND players and yeah,

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that's us.
That is 100% us.

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We have like I am writing as my
character, like I'm like

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creating a little diary as my.
Character.

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Like we, we just got from our
DM, this is like, OK, I'll, I,

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like I said, I have a tie into
this, but we just got like a,

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you know, an intro yeah for our,
for why we're all meeting up.

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But I'm gonna start like
creating a like a journal or a

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diary from the perspective of my
character like it's.

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That's great.
That's actually not to get off

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too off topic, but that's kind
of what you're supposed to be

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doing as a player anyways, kind
of keeping a journal.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm just so excited
about doing this.

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I mean, it's been in the works
plan for months, so.

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Yeah, and honestly, we've been
talking about it for like years.

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Oh, and oh, by the way, this is
no different than preparing for

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a role on stage.
I was.

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Just going to.
Say that you have to create a

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back story.
You having articles to help you

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get in character or you know
artifacts is useful.

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Same thing.
It's the exact same thing.

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It like like the theater to D&D
pipeline is, Yeah, it's like a.

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Straight line it's a.
Straight line, everyone's

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everyone's involved with it.
So I'm really excited and maybe

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we'll we can do stuff around D&D
that, you know, can be fun and

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interesting here.
Cool.

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So the tie in the tie in our
like the world that we're that

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we're going to be in and and D&D
is based kind of like in the

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medieval times, right.
Well, our story here is also in

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the medieval times, actually in
like the 1300s.

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And really, since it's October,
I think it's fitting that we

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kind of lean into them.
A cob.

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And today's tale is everything
that you'd want from a medieval

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Horror Story.
OK, we have a cursed king.

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We have madness that blurred the
line between delusion and

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possession, and a masquerade
that literally went up in

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flames.
OK, that's that.

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Nails the that crosses the TS
and dots the i's.

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Yeah, check, check and check.
I'm actually talking about

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Charles the 5th of France and he
was better known as Charles the

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Mad or Charles the Crazy and one
of the most infamous court

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disasters in history, The ball
of the Burning Men.

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OK, literally this is what
happened so.

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Ball of the Burning Man.
OK, fascinating.

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Yeah, yeah, You've probably
never heard this story, which is

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why.
OK, great, great.

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So Charles the 5th was actually
born in 1368.

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He was the son of King Charles
Charles the Wise and then Queen

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Joanna of Bourbon.
He was.

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His father was wise, right?
So he was clever, cautious,

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rebuilding France after a ton of
losses during the 100 Years War.

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So we're in the 100 Years War.
So when his father, when

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Charles's father, the crazy
Charles, his father died in

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1380, His son was just 11 years
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So Charles was only 11, and he
was too young to rule.

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So all the power fell to his
uncle's, which is very common.

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Yeah, and these were the Dukes
of Burgundy, Berry and Anjou.

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So instead of safeguarding the
Kingdom, they really gorged

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themselves on wealth and started
raising taxes and stirring

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resentment within the towns and
the people of France, right?

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Greedy old white men What?
What we don't we don't know her.

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Are you kidding me?
So Charles was actually crowned

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right in cathedral, which is
right where Champagne's made.

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FYI.
I've actually.

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Been there.
Yeah, yeah.

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So if you know where Champagne's
made.

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The actual champagne.
Grape.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Champagne grape.

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Yeah, exactly.
So crowned at that cathedral and

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anointed with holy oil, said to
have descended from heaven

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itself.
You know, it's kind of bullshit,

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but I was like, what they did.
But he was just a child, really,

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wearing a crown that he had no,
no idea of what the fuck to do,

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right.
So he had to kind of lean on his

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uncles.
So at 20, he actually dismissed

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all of his greedy uncles and he
took control with the help of

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some advisors that he had, that
they called themselves the

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Marmosets.
What age was he?

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2020 so 8 years later, like
about 8 years later after he

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took the throne, so for a little
bit of time with the marmosets

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and him kicking out all of his
greedy uncles, it seemed like

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France kind of had a little bit
of a glimmer of hope.

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But we would not be here if you
were talking about this, if that

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were actually what were
happening.

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Shadows closed in, right?
So in 1392, on a campaign in

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Brittany, Charles snapped
without warning.

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He actually drew his sword and
slaughtered four of his own

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Knights.
He was screaming that they were

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traitors and he had to be
physically restrained.

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He just fucking lost it.
Was he drinking wine that was

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stored in lead containers?
I mean.

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Probably.
Could be we're going to actually

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kind of go through like what the
fuck was going on because it's

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like he seemed like he lost it,
but at the same time he's in the

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middle of a of the 100 years
war.

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It's like a.
Brutal town.

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That would be awful.
Yeah, that would F with your

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head.
And his dad literally, like,

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died at 12, and he had these big
shoes to fill.

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His dad was known as Charles the
Wise.

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He was coming in after that 12
years old.

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He probably didn't really, you
know, expect his dad to die.

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And then he has to fill the
shoes of this, like, really

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pretty successful king.
Yeah.

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So he's physically restrained.
He loses it, you know, kills

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four of his Knights.
Jean Forsarte actually said,

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excuse my French, it's awful,
but chronicled that he was

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suddenly, without cause or
warning, the king fell upon his

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own men with sword in hand,
slaying them as though they were

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traitors.
Great pity it was for no man

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knew the reason save that frenzy
had seized his mind.

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So that was a quote at the time
after he had lost his shit.

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Now, it wouldn't make sense that
you would think that people are

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traitors because I mean, he did
have a ton of traitors in his

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midst in general.
Like his his uncles were crazy.

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He kicked them out.
We've all seen Game of Thrones,

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right?
You can't trust anyone.

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So that was actually the first
of many breakdowns.

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So from then on, the King's mind
continued to unravel in cycles.

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He would just go through these
cycles of it.

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He actually forgot his own name.
He failed to recognize his wife,

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Queen Isabel, and also his
children.

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He could not recognize them.
He claimed that he was actually

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made of glass.
Oh gosh.

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And would shatter if he was
touched.

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Wow.
And he demanded that metal rods

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be sewn into his clothes.
Oh, to keep his arms from

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breaking.
Exactly.

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Oh my.
Gosh, yeah, 'cause he, he

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wouldn't let anyone touch him or
come come through like like to

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touch him.
He was like convinced he was

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made of glass.
How miserable.

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I mean, it sounds psychosomatic,
right?

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Like, yeah.
Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.
So he actually, so he had those

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metal rods sewn into his clothes
for protection and he ran

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through the halls howling and
would also vanish into the

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streets of Paris, filthy and
deranged.

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So it was not uncommon to see
him just like fucking losing his

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shit in the middle of Paris.
The man had mental problems.

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Now what with the cause of them?
I mean, we could speculate, but

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he had some mental problems.
Yeah, there there is a, there's

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a definite like some kind of
mental disorder that's going on.

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And can you really blame him?
Like, he's right.

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He's facing potential, like, you
know, ousting.

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He can't trust anyone.
Paranoia, you know, is one thing

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you and I sitting here and being
paranoid about, like, the

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government, you know, being
crazy.

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But like this, you know, this
guy who had legitimate reason.

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Yeah.
As did most people then. 100%

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yeah.
So like, you know, just talking

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about this for us, it like kind
of sounds like schizophrenia or

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severe bipolar disorder.
But his court courtiers, like in

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the 14th century, it kind of
looks like possession.

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Oh sure, right.
Sure.

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Or a curse?
Yeah.

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Or divine punishment.
Sure.

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Right, like so France was
actually left with this king

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after Charles the Wise, who
believed he was as fragile as

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glass and he was ruling the
Kingdom really like a a fraction

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fractured like a mirror, like
dropped on stone.

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The like the glass that he
fucking had.

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There was a monk, Michael, we'll
say the monk of Saint Denise.

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OK, so he this is him quoting
the king at the time.

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Often he believed himself to be
brittle as glass, and he forbade

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any man to touch him lest he
should be shattered into pieces.

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That's just awful.
I mean, I couldn't imagine

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living that way.
And then I'm thinking about if I

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had to keep my arms and legs all
straight all the time like I was

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wrong, that would make me crazy.
Yeah.

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That would send me into a 10Z.
Yeah, I mean, it's like like he

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probably had a lot of like,
what?

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Like at that time you would have
someone like testing every

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single thing that you would
consume and drink for poison.

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So it's like all of this stuff
is kind of playing in his mind

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already, assuming that he
already is, right.

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So it's like he has a ton of
people are kind of confirming

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the fact that he should be
paranoid and schizophrenic.

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So even though he had, you know,
kind of a taste or, or he had

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like this turmoil, €100 war is
going on.

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He's ousted all these very
powerful political allies who

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now are becoming enemies.
The the French court just in

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general loved pageantry.
And this was very common.

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They had masquerades that were
really more than parties.

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They were like rituals of
fucking chaos.

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Like it would be chaotic.
Nobles would disguise themselves

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wearing a mask, and they
disguise themselves as wild men,

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as demons, mythical beasts.
I'm sure like the scene.

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Oh my God, I would have loved to
have gone to.

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No doubt.
I always think how bad it would

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smell.
Everyone probably smells.

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I always.
Forget about that.

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Yeah, that was.
That's probably no good.

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And you know, remember, there's
no electricity, right?

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So it's not like.
And people didn't bathe daily.

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No, they would cover it like
perfume was created.

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And you know, there's shit
creeks.

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Literally shit creeks.
There are literal shit creeks.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

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There's no, they would have like
little like toilets and areas in

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the courts at that time.
So and people would often just

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like sit in the corner, like
Versailles was like this was,

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you know, years later, like
hundreds of years later.

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But Versailles was known for
being so stinky because there's

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so many people there who would
just take a shit in the corner,

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like in a bucket and people
would just use the shit bucket

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in the corner.
So like, even though they tended

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to be a little cleaner than,
well, I don't know if they were

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cleaner than most, but like they
tended to be a little bit more

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clean, clean and had access to,
you know, water and baths.

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The IT was smelly and not we
didn't have air conditioning at

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the time so they were just
sitting and rotting.

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So imagine that it would be cool
to see, but there's candlelight

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and it's warm and gross.
OK, Anyways, so the spectacles

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of these masquerades, it was
really kind of flirted with

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danger.
It was a way for them to kind of

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let loose.
They'd really mock the forces of

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the supernatural at the time.
They also kind of blurred the

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boundaries between safety and
peril, order and catastrophe.

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And when Charles joined in, he's
already crazy.

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Disaster followed this guy.
So January 28th 1393 OK 1393

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Yeah.
So this was the year after he

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snapped and killed 4.
So.

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The year after his wife holds a
masquerade ball and he's She's

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celebrating the remarriage of a
lady in waiting that she has So

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Charles and five companions
decided to entertain the court,

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dressing as wild men and.
What's a Wildman?

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Yeah.
What would you say it is?

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Like a like a caveman, like
someone that lives out in the

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forest, like a like a wildling.
Right.

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A wildling like someone like
Super like dirty and like I

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don't kind of think of like a
Sasquatch or something Yeah,

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right, right.
Like a Wildman like, you know,

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remember they're they really
love like transforming

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themselves and playing up.
I'm thinking twigs.

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Yeah, in.
Theirs and yeah yeah, gross

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crazy hair and.
How would you dress up as a fur?

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Boots and fur boots, yeah, yeah,
ropes to hold up, you know, hold

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the fur together and.
Yeah.

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Like, like kind of like loosely
put together.

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Yeah.
Well, they the way that they

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dressed as wild men was they
coated themselves in pitch,

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which pitch was like.
Oh my God, isn't that mud?

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Isn't that thick mud?
It's like a thick mud tar.

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It's like a Tarish thing, right?
Oh yeah, Pitch.

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They used that on roofs.
Yeah, yes, yes.

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So they have, they've coated
themselves in pitch resin, OK

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and flax fibers, so.
When the hell did they get that

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off?
Yeah, well, did they get it off

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or did all of the, you know,
their maids?

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Or whatever.
Oh yeah.

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Concubines did.
So I have this new thing that

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I'm really into getting like
lick all the pitch off of me.

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Gross.
I would not surprise with these

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people.
So.

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So they cut themselves in the
pitch resin and the fat flax

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fibers so that every inch of
their bodies looked shaggy and

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inhuman.
OK, they're actually chained

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together to enhance the
spectacle.

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So all of them were like,
chained together.

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Yeah, just like this.
That sounds creepy.

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It's.
Super creepy.

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And once again we have candles
like, you know, this like creepy

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light that's like going through.
So they're all they're all like

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chained together.
And I think probably it was to

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prevent from them stumbling in
these disguises because, you

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know, it's kind of it's probably
incredibly heavy at that at that

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point.
But think about it.

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Those costumes were Tinder
boxes.

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There is no electricity.
Right.

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And all the candles everywhere.
All the candles everywhere,

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resin, tar, flax.
Oh my God.

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Just a tiny spark would be
enough to set it off.

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Sure.
It's like like you could not

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make anything more flammable if
you tried.

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Right, unless you were dunked in
oil.

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Right, right.
Well, I mean like the resin is.

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Are I guess pitch is kind of
oil, right?

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Well.
Same thing with the resin too.

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The resin's like an oily, you
know, 'cause you burnt.

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You can burn resin and like it.
Yeah, it just goes up in flames.

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Cray, Cray.
So a single spark would be

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enough.
Meanwhile, there's candles,

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there's fires out like, all over
the place.

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So the men were dancing, they're
howling, and they're, you know,

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moving around like beasts.
And the audience is loving it.

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And come.
On sure.

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You.
You see an audience.

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What do you do?
When?

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When.
Yeah, you.

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Perform you?
Yeah, you let you go all out.

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You are just soaking it in.
People are responding.

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Oh, yeah.
And they're changed.

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Like, it's just like this, this
like line of like, you know,

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creepy guys and they're moving
around and and people are just

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laughing.
And then a torch drew a little

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too close.
And some say that it was

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actually carrying by carried by
the King's brother, Louis of

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Orleans.
But others say that it was just

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a careless person at the party.
In a breath, the wild men became

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tortures themselves.
God, so when they're chained

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together, it's not like you can
run away.

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You can't run away from from the
fire that started on one end or

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with one person.
It what happens, a fire spreads,

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right?
They're chained together.

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Nightmare.
This was probably one of the the

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smartest costumes ever.
Let's do that this year, you

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know?
Yeah, let's, let's, let's be in

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a fire filled room and make
ourselves completely flammable.

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That's fucking crazy.
So, so a fire breaks out

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clearly.
That monk of Saint Denis, he was

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here, he chronicles it, he says.
In a moment the garments of the

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dancers burst into flame.
The hall, filled with cries most

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pitiful for the noblemen were
consumed before the eyes of all,

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and no hand could save them.
No.

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What could you do?
What could you do?

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You've got these men chained
together on fire.

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What are what are you supposed
to do?

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It's not like you can throw
water on them.

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There's no way that's going to
work.

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Right, right.
There's no way you can't.

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And you're like, maybe we could
throw I don't know, they're

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fucking crazy.
Where's?

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The fire extinguisher.
Yeah, here's the fire exchange.

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Yeah, how the fuck do you put
these people out?

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I don't know you can't you?
Don't you?

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Can't.
Yeah.

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So these flames are shooting up.
The hall is filling with

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screams.
It's complete chaos.

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Which, honestly, they were going
for, right?

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Mission accomplished.
Mission accomplished.

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The smell of burning hair.
And flesh.

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Turned the whole celebration
into a nightmare, right?

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Wow.
Yeah, yeah, what a fucking sight

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to see.
Oh my God.

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And so, yeah, I mean, whatever
in the build I like.

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So the people, I'm sure some
people escaped.

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Well, there are five people
including the King in the chain,

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right?
Yeah.

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So they're gone.
That's to include the king.

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Well, so the four of the dancers
died in agony.

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They're dying actively, like
when this is happening.

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Yeah.
Burned alive.

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Yeah.
In front of all this nobility.

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Yeah.
One man actually jumped into.

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Oh, maybe it was 6 people.
One man leapt into a VAT of wine

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and survived.
Yeah, that makes sense.

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Charles himself, the only reason
he actually lived is because the

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Duchess of Barry smothered the
flames with her skirts.

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So she's like trying to smother
all the flames off.

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I mean, she better have gotten
some kind of fucking land deal

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or whatever in that.
If I saw that I'd be like fuck.

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You know she got burned.
She, of course, she got burned

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for sure.
So Jean Versart actually saw

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this.
And he said the Duchess of

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Berry, with great courage, cast
her own gown upon the king and

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smothered the fire.
By his brave act, she preserved

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his life, though others perished
miserably.

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So the masquerade had
transformed into macabre.

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A dance of death, really.
Quite literally a dance of

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death.
Yeah.

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Exactly.
All but two people died and

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these people are chained
together.

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Remember that.
It's.

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Up and you're already talking
about a king whose mental

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faculties Oh yeah are shaky at
the very best so you know this

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happens the this ball of the
burning men new spreads right

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like the.
Fire itself.

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And it horrified France.
To a lot of people at the time,

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it was really proof that the
King's reign was cursed.

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He was a cursed man.
Gotcha.

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Right Whisper whispers actually
started to spread that God

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himself had judged the kingdom's
sinfulness.

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Of course.
It always happens.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When in doubt.

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Yeah, it's God.
It's God and you're, you're a

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Sinner.
You're you're cursed.

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Yeah.
Anything bad happens to you,

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then yes, it was.
It's warranted.

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Yeah, it's totally warranted,
you Sinner.

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So the monk of Saint Denise
actually says the people

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murmured that this calamity was
no accident, but a judgement

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from God upon the pride and
folly of the court.

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We have the 100 Years War going
on at the time.

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People are dying.
There is no peace.

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And then you have this king
who's spending all this money

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dressing up and fucking tar and
pitch and, you know, looking

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like a Wildman, having this
elaborate party where people are

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dying, you know, soldiers are
dying.

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People's like sons and family
members have died.

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Of course, of course you're
going to look at it and say

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you've, you deserved this.
This was coming to you, right?

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Exactly.
And what do you think happened

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to Charles's mental faculties?
They got better.

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Oh, yeah.
No, no, he was totally great.

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Yeah.
He was like, I just needed that

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to have to happen.
And now I'm feeling way better.

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Exactly, his fucking madness
deepened and his reputation

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really never recovered from
this.

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Civil wars split France, so he
had already been sowing the

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seeds of of civil wars within
the country.

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He he ousted all of his uncles,
brings in a totally new group of

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people who were probably tied to
him on that chain of death and

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the English at the time.
We're trying to gain Fland in

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France.
It's right next to England.

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The English started pressing
their invasion, and the monarchy

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sank into care.
It was inevitable, to be honest.

456
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,440
This guy was.
This guy was crazy.

457
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,840
So when Charles finally died in
1422, he left behind no legacy

458
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,480
of wisdom or glory like his
father did, only a memory of a

459
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,280
king who really thought himself.
Out of glass, no airs, right?

460
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,480
Well, even if he had airs the
the problem with it is nobody

461
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,360
trusts him and they think
there's a fucking curse that's

462
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:47,040
attached to to him and and.
So hence his child, if that were

463
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,480
to the case, yeah.
Well, it's all civil war.

464
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,720
Nobody trusts, nobody trusts
him.

465
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,520
The whole country is in shards.
They're all searching for power.

466
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Allah, Game of Thrones, the
English are coming in.

467
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,080
It's totally chaos.
It's any France is anyones ball

468
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,280
game.
You know, this guy thought

469
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,760
himself made of glass and and he
had a masquerade where men quite

470
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,440
literally became human bonfires
like things were not good you.

471
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,720
Know right, Right.
So one thing that I kept on

472
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,600
thinking about like during this
was, was like, how did Charles

473
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,000
lose his mind?
Right, that's right.

474
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:29,160
Yeah, We, I, like I said, we
we've talked about this before.

475
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,720
You know, they used lead.
We know how poisonous lead is

476
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240
it.
It could be that.

477
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,360
It could be that he poisons.
You know, he was just

478
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,400
susceptible to the lead
poisoning.

479
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,120
It could be just a genetic
thing.

480
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,680
You know, there's people that
are born.

481
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,960
Yeah.
Cucamonga, right?

482
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,880
It just just.
It happens.

483
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Yeah, there's a there's a
chemical imbalance.

484
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,760
Yeah, exactly.
And then all of the stresses of

485
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:06,440
war and the pressures of having
to be the king and in control,

486
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,280
you know, that's not for
everybody, No.

487
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,720
So that could contribute to or
trigger some sort of something.

488
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,440
Yes.
Do you know has anyone else

489
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,680
speculate about what caused it?
We're going to talk a little bit

490
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,520
about some of the modern
thoughts in it and talk about

491
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,640
like what they thought at the
time.

492
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,120
Like what the fuck was?
Yeah, well, they, yeah, I'm

493
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:33,080
pretty sure it was possession or
it was God's punishment, or

494
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,680
yeah, like you said, some bingo
put a curse on him.

495
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,280
So any of those.
Yeah, like in the 14th century,

496
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,360
you know, his whole, his
courtiers actually had their own

497
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,200
answers.
They thought that madness wasn't

498
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,840
a medical condition like you
were saying.

499
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Exactly.
It was a curse.

500
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,840
It was a punishment from God.
It was demonic possession.

501
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Well, even recently some some
mental problems people don't

502
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,440
don't acknowledge as actual
mental problems even as recently

503
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,640
as this century.
So yes.

504
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,240
Please.
Yes, exactly like you know, they

505
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,080
at the time.
It's like you look, look at him

506
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,520
and you're like, well, this
court was incredibly greedy and

507
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040
they they're having these big
ass masquerades.

508
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,480
They're, you know, probably
having like or group orgies and

509
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,000
stuff.
Lust, reckless indulgence.

510
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,400
Some people said that it was
sorcery at the time, right?

511
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,320
The specific rivals had cursed
him with powders and charms and,

512
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:26,560
you know, all that kind of
thing.

513
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,880
This was really an era where
even noble families accused one

514
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,080
another of witchcraft and
politics turned ugly, which I

515
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,200
mean, whether you're spying on
someone, you're really whether

516
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680
you're Spain and you're spying
on all of your people.

517
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,600
But they're, they're also
astrologers.

518
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,800
We have astrologers today who
insisted that the King's fate

519
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080
was actually written in the
stars and he was born under

520
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520
unlucky alignments.
They said that Charles really

521
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,960
had no choice but to succumb to
mad madness.

522
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,760
He it was just written in the
stars.

523
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,640
It's simple to said that God
struck Charles down for the sins

524
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,600
of the core.
And others just said it was, you

525
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,160
know, sorcery.
The monk of Saint Denise said

526
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,200
the King's frenzy was not
natural, but born of

527
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,320
enchantments and spells set upon
him by the malice of men who

528
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,160
desired his crown.
Today, when we look at it, his

529
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,320
symptoms kind of tell a very
different story.

530
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160
His own delusions, believing
that he was made of glass and

531
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,360
failing to recognize his wife
and children, running through

532
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,680
the palace screaming and
howling, all of these things

533
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,320
kind of point towards
schizophrenia.

534
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Yeah, Right.
Yeah.

535
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Others you know today may argue
that he had severe bipolar

536
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,240
disorder with psychotic features
because he would swing between

537
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,560
long periods of lucidity and
then he would go go and become

538
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,920
completely psycho and violent.
Yeah, that aligns.

539
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,280
And then there's also the the
matter of his bloodline.

540
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,920
So his madness seemed to stock
his entire line, his genetic

541
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,640
family like a shadow.
His mother, Joanna of Bourbon,

542
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,560
was said to have nervous
collapses.

543
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,600
OK, other branches of his family
tree had carried depression,

544
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,280
instability and obsession.
So, you know, kind of mix that

545
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,760
all together and it's.
Like all makes sense that way.

546
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,720
100% centuries later.
The Hapsburgs, which we actually

547
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,800
have spoken about before.
They're incredibly inbred.

548
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:39,720
The Hapsburgs jaw.
Oh my God, yes, if anybody, oh

549
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,120
we, we.
I wonder if we can remember to

550
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:48,920
put a link in the show 'cause
that is mind blowing.

551
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Yeah.
The the inbreeding going on and

552
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,000
that they you could see it.
You could see it like like

553
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,080
transform with every generation
because they're keeping their

554
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,360
bloodlines pure.
AKA like first cousins, sisters

555
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,600
and brothers were, you know,
having children.

556
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:16,000
And that never ends well.
Like the the last one, I think

557
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,760
it was Charles.
I think it was another Charles.

558
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Actually.
I think it was.

559
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,000
They said that he couldn't
really even string together like

560
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,960
words and his tongue was so big.
Yeah.

561
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,720
Yeah.
So you, you combine potentially

562
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,960
hereditary mental disease with
inbreeding?

563
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Yes.
Well, get this, this Charles,

564
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520
they became descendants of the
Habsburgs.

565
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,960
So this is like pre haps.
This is like right before the

566
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Habsburgs there.
Yeah.

567
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,080
So that genetic makeup, like
they're it's all tied together.

568
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Wow.
Yeah.

569
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,880
So they're all from the same
royal stock, which the Habsburgs

570
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,400
were infamous for, their fragile
minds and bodies, Right?

571
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,920
So really, the question that we
can ask ourselves is, was

572
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Charles a victim of bad blood?
Was it hereditary, you know,

573
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,320
curses?
Or was it just really the weight

574
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,840
of being a king, you know, war,
political betrayal, the burden

575
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,960
of a crown inherited at the age
of 11, You know, that really

576
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,080
cracked him.
And ultimately, like, you know,

577
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,200
whatever the cause, his illness
really convinced the people of

578
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,240
France that the throne itself
was cursed.

579
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,480
And when the fire engulfed the
court at the ball of the burning

580
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,800
men, that belief was even more
confirmed.

581
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,600
So.
Is did they?

582
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Is this what triggered their
elimination of?

583
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160
01 of.
Their Last King or something.

584
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,600
Or it wasn't, it wasn't, it
wasn't.

585
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,720
No, no, the Hapsburgs were all
over like Spain, France, like

586
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,600
you know, but no, because we had
King Louis and.

587
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,080
Oh yeah, sure, sure.
Later, like 403 hundred, 400

588
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,880
years later, OK, but really I
just wanted to tell a kind of a

589
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,520
creepy story of Charles the Mad
and the ball of the Burning Men.

590
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,600
I think he kind of checked all
those boxes.

591
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
It did.
Oh my God.

592
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:22,160
And like I said, that that being
changed together in tar on fire,

593
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,920
I mean, that's like a literal,
that's a nightmare.

594
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,480
It's a total nightmare.
That that's a nightmare you

595
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
would have.
It's a nightmare for someone

596
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,440
with like schizophrenia like it.
Like honestly it would it would

597
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,840
make anyone go into psychosis.
I'm sure every person there

598
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,240
struggled with mental like
instability after seeing a site

599
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,280
like that.
Oh my God no it's it's insane

600
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,160
insane.
Could you imagine the headlines

601
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,120
if this happened today?
No, no, no, no.

602
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,080
No, we would be thinking the
same thing, like of course

603
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,680
they're doing something like
this and maybe they deserved it.

604
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,320
Like you hear questions or, or
like, you know, comments like

605
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:07,680
this today, you know, we're just
go back in time, you know, a few

606
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,719
100 years and the same shit's
happening, right?

607
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Yeah, today you might be like,
are they smoking the crack or

608
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,120
are they?
Smoking the crack?

609
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,719
Yeah.
What the heck?

610
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,280
They said bad things.
They deserve it, you know?

611
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Well, thank you so much for
today.

612
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
And honestly, you guys enjoyed
this.

613
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,280
Go ahead and rate US on Spotify
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614
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,520
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media.

615
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,600
Yeah.
And we we like to hear you guys

616
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,560
like go to TikTok minus on
TikTok.

617
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:34,880
Yeah.
What?

618
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,600
The hell we.
Want to.

619
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,080
We want to engage.
Yeah, yeah.

620
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,800
What did you think about this?
And are you dressing up like the

621
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Burning Men chained together?
Because that is a deep historic

622
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,520
pull.
Right, exactly.

623
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,080
I would want if.
Anybody knew what it was?

624
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,600
You like 100?
Bucks, you won.

625
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,639
You, you win.
You win Halloween.

626
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,320
Yeah.
Anyways, cool.

627
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,719
Thank you so much.
Thank you.

628
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,480
All right, we'll see ya.
See ya.

629
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:32,320
Bye.
None.