The Greatest Cons

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Hello bizarre story friends.
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I'm Kevin, I'm gonna be your
host for today's episode.

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And as always, we ask that you
keep an open mind, keep a

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skeptical ear, but keep
listening to the facts as we

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take you on our newest journey,
The greatest cons.

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Well, hello everyone, Welcome to
our latest episode.

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And please welcome my Co host S
with the most S Alicia.

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Hey, girl.
Hey, hey, girl, hey, hey, girl.

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Hey, what's going on?
Hey, I'm doing.

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I'm doing good today.
How are you doing today?

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I'm good.
I'm starting to feel better,

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which is a good thing.
Still have a cough?

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I still have a little bit of a
cough.

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I know, I know what is wrong
with me.

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It means that I have a good
immune system.

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It's going to be really great
next year.

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This year is my year of shit.
You know you have to have some

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of those years, but.
And you know those, what are

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they called?
They're called something pearls,

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Those things I was telling you
about before.

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Pearls of wisdom?
No, no.

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No, the little they look like
vitamin ES for your cough.

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There's like something pearls or
pearls.

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I I don't know what they're
called, but I got prescribed

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something Pearls they.
Kicked the living shit out of my

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cough.
They kicked the shit out of it.

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Yeah.
And you nothing.

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Does nothing.
You can only take three a day.

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That's incredible.
Girl like somebody had

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recommended it to me, 'cause
they had it and it's cured them

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in an instant.
And then I did.

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It cured me in an instant.
It didn't do shit for me.

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That's nuts.
It's it's because I don't

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fucking know.
I don't know.

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I've had, like I've had so many
respiratory issues, which is

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great.
When you do a podcast, Yeah,

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it's.
Perfect.

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It's great.
It's it's great.

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It really makes you sound
wonderful.

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But yeah, no, it didn't do
anything for me, Kevin.

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I I came over to Kevin's house
and I'm like yeah, cough blah

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blah blah.
And he said, oh, I have

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something that will cure your
cough.

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And I was like, Oh my God,
please.

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You're like thank please.
Is it Is it like codeine?

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Like cough syrup?
Yes.

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Give it to me.
And he's like, it's they look

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like a little vitamin.
I'm like, God damn it, I've

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already tried it.
It doesn't work.

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But that's OK.
There's nowhere else I'd rather

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be in here.
Thanks.

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And we love it that you're here
too.

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Good.
We the collective we.

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The Collective.
Hey, So have you ever heard of a

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Bunco?
A bunco I Isn't that a game,

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Isn't it?
Plinko It does sound like a

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game.
I think it, I think it's a game,

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like a card game or something.
Interesting.

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From like, the 1970s.
Don't quote me, but I think so.

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Fascinating.
Have you ever heard of?

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I know.
I never answer these the way you

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want me to.
Never.

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Have you ever heard of a a
stratagem stratagem?

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I swear to God, Stratagem.
I swear to God, that's a fucking

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game.
I swear to God.

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We're going to have to look this
up.

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We're going to have to look
this.

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Up stratagem.
Isn't that just like a word,

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like a strategy?
But it's like a fancy way of

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saying strategy.
Also fascinating because Have

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you heard of a gaffel?
How about a flim flam?

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Yeah, that sounds like some
bullshit.

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Yeah, exactly.
How about a bamboozle?

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I've been bamboozled.
There you go.

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A swindle, a hustle, a grip, a
con, a rip off.

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So you were just telling me?
These are all synonyms.

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These are all synonyms for
what's called a confidence trick

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or a con.
A bunko?

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A bunko?
Would you be a good bunko

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artist?
Fuck no.

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The worst.
Me too.

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I'd be like I'm so afraid I'm
gonna get caught.

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Exactly.
OK, so a confidence trick is an

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attempt to defraud a person or a
group of people after gaining

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their trust.
That is what a confidence trick

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is.
OK.

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Hence the short of the word con
con artist.

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Yeah, OK.
We do wanna have confidence, but

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not that much.
Right.

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So it's fascinating that
researchers defined confidence

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tricks as a very they call it a
distinctive species of

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fraudulent conduct, and they
call it distinctive fraudulent

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conduct or its own species of
fraudulent conduct, because the

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the exchanges are completely
voluntary.

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But they're not exclusively
beneficial because they benefit

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the con artist or the the
operator of the con at the

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expense of their marks, their
victims.

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And so it's almost like what's
interesting about it is I'm

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conning you, we're we're doing
the same thing.

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You're agreeing to it and but
you don't.

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You're not.
I'm getting more out of it than

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you are.
Yeah, I'm not in on the games

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you're not in on.
It.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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And that's why they call it, you
know, a distinctive species of

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fraudulent conduct.
And so a great example I don't,

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I mean, I don't have to explain
what a con is to people, but I'm

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going to do it anyway.
So an example is the three card

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Monte.
You know what a three card Monte

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is.
You ever heard of?

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A I've heard of it, yeah.
OK it's very popular in New York

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streets and it's they got the
three cards and they go flip,

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flick, flick, flick, flick,
flick, flick, flick.

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And they're like pick the queen
and you go there and you go,

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they give me 20 bucks and you go
buy 20 bucks and they go pick

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the queen.
You go bloop, bloop, bloop and

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you point and they go it's the
queen.

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And so then they give you 40
bucks and they're like, you want

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to try it again, You're like,
fuck yeah, and so.

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Oh, you would say.
Fuck yeah.

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No, this one.
OK, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

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And so then they put 40 down and
they go flick, flick, flick,

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flick, flick, flick, flick, pick
the queen, you point and go, you

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got it again.
Here's 80 bucks and you go, you

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want to play again?
You're like, fuck yeah of.

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Course I'm winning.
So then you give them 80 bucks

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and they go flick, flick, flick,
flick, flick, pick the queen,

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they go, no, I'm sorry, that was
the ace.

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So that's a con.
I've seen it.

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I've seen it in like, different
cities.

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Yeah, yeah, I have seen that.
And actually I have a friend

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who, who thought he could, who
was a fucking Patsy, like a

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total Joe or whatever you call
him like he's like, no, no, no,

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I know.
I know exactly what it is.

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It was the cup game.
Oh yeah, yeah, same concept.

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Same exact thing.
And he's like, it's this one,

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oh, hey, I'm winning.
And like, I'm like, dude, you're

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going to lose.
As soon as they hand me $20 and

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I didn't hand them any money,
I'd be like, peace.

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Bye.
Bye.

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Thank you for the drink.
So he would also be known as a

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sucker.
Sucker A Mark.

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Mark A.
Stooge a mug, a rube, a gull.

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What is a Patsy?
Isn't that someone who's?

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A Pat.
Isn't that?

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No, I think a Patsy would be
more like, I don't know, that's

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a good question.
We should look it up.

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But I'm.
Like I'm asking you a question,

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I thought that I thought that
was someone who was like.

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You're right.
You're right.

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It says Patsy, a person who is
easily swindled, deceived,

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coerced, persuaded.
A sucker.

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A sucker.
Yeah.

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So that could have been one of
my victim definitions is a

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Patsy.
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That was a good one.
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So, Mark, Patsy, Sucker.
Stooge Mug.

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Rube or gull?
Gull calling from coming from

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gullible.
Oh, gullible.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Perpetrator being a scammer.
Confidence man or con man?

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Con artist.
Grifter.

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Hustler.
Swindler.

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Yeah, yeah.
Different words.

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God, I was gonna go somewhere
with that three card Monte thing

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and I can't remember.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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So, so, so what's happening is,
is they're building confidence.

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Right.
It's a whole con game.

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Right, right, right.
And so there's they call us the

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foundation or there's, sorry,
let me back up.

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So there's like so many things
that I'll talk about.

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Yes.
So without my dogs, can you guys

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hear my dogs?
They're going bonkers.

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Jeez, Louise.
Of course rude.

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They were so quieter.
OK, so there's two primary types

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of cons.
OK, so they have the Long con

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and the and the shark con.
Yes, I've heard of that.

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That's exactly what I was going
to guess.

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Yeah.
OK, perfect.

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So a long con unfolds over many
days, weeks, months, sometimes

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years.
That is some real confidence.

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That is some dedication.
Girl.

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Yeah, Mama wants something real
bad if she's going to spend

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years.
Years trying to get it.

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Trying to get it.
Oh my God, I would be like, am I

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going to be alive?
And like this is too much work.

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Get caught before then and then
the short cons can take just

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minutes or seconds.
Like the three card Monte.

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It's like boom, boom, boom, bye.
Yeah, OK, so the foundation or

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the process of there's a process
of a con.

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You can break it down into
pieces.

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And a guy by the name of Edward
Smith, he's this self I guess

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proclaimed con man.
And he wrote a book on this

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topic.
There's actually a book about

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it, right?
And it's called The Confessions

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of a Confidence Man.
And he states in this book that

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there are, it's kind of like
this 12 step program, but

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there's like there's seven
stages if you break it down into

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a con.
And I would imagine that if

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you're like if you're a real
good grifter, a real good con

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man, he's probably just come
naturally and you didn't even

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realize to think about it.
But I would imagine, like I can

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the what I imagine is you're you
when you plan it out, like you'd

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plan these seven stages to make
it, you know, happen, right.

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Right.
Or especially for a longer con,

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right?
Right, exactly.

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You have to plan those.
Stages, yeah, If you're only

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gonna.
If you're.

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If you're spending 20 seconds,
that's not necessarily something

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you're as.
Yes.

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You don't care about.
You have to do these things

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well.
You have to do those things

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super.
Quickly.

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Yeah, yeah.
So, so we'll tie this back to

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the three card Monty as an
example.

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So so you, you, you, you, you
make these preparations in

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advance of doing this, this con.
And sometimes it requires hiring

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assistance to do your con, maybe
to do surveillance or to do like

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some.
What's the word I'm looking for?

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Like some you have to study
like.

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Cloud work or something?
Yeah, like study what they their

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behaviors and do all these
things so you can prepare for

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your cons, so you know, you just
can make it, you know, better.

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Yeah.
So the foundations are this.

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So there's the approach, and
this is where the victim is

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approached or contacted.
And sometimes the victim can be

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lured to the con, and that can
either be happened through word

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of mouth, unbeknownst, just by
circumstance, or it could be

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that the con conned you in to
approaching.

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Yes, OK, totally.
Like con within a con kind of

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thing.
Oh, and by the way, let me just

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throw this out there.
This isn't this topic isn't

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necessarily bizarre, but in my
mind I it's so bizarre like I

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can't comprehend pulling off.
Something so.

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These these cons like, it's just
not in my brain and my DNA to do

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that.
It seemed it's like bizarre.

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It's totally weird.
Totally crazy and.

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It's what it's so outside of
your own nature.

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Right, exactly.
That you're like I can't even

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understand why someone would do
this.

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Totally.
And so just for people that go,

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why is this a bizarre AF topic?
It's that's why.

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It's because I can't wrap my
brain around.

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It but I do think it is bizarre.
It is bizarre that like that

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there is a way in which to do
this, like this guy has like,

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you know, the the different
steps.

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But this is, this is like a
historic, like this has happened

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throughout history, right?
Oh my God, so many con artists,

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so many.
And they're fascinating.

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That's it is true.
Like they're things they do, how

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they do them, why they do them.
Fascinating.

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And and the the lengths that
they'll go to to pull something

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off true that I think that it is
bizarre and it's abnormal,

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right, like.
Yeah, that's true.

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It is.
I feel like it is abnormal.

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Yeah, it's totally abnormal.
And, you know, you hear about

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con artists in everyday life.
But I mean, hopefully you're

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not.
Maybe you are one.

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In that case, hey, subscribe,
Give us some.

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OK.
So we talked about the approach,

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yes.
OK.

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So then there's the thing called
a build up.

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Now the this is where the victim
is given opportunity to profit

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from participating in some sort
of event or scheme.

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And so the victim's greed kind
of plays into this con.

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So they tend to play.
They tend to try to play off of

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greed.
Yes, exactly.

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And it impaired.
So their greed kind of overrides

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the rational judgment because
greed, you're like money, money,

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money, money.
And then you're like,

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rationally, if you were kind of
outside of this, you'd probably

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go, OK, this is dumb, crazy.
I mean, it'd be rational about

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it.
But they're so good at getting

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you just to think about your
profit or your benefit from this

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event that you supersede like.
Yeah, you have blinders on.

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Blinders.
You, you can't see anything

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else.
All you're thinking about is

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like, it's it's like that, yeah.
The end game you're like, you're

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like you're kind of sitting
there like it's like that

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lottery thing, right?
Like what are you going to do

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with when you won the lottery?
And then you're like all you can

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think about is like exactly,
exactly that.

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Yeah, you, you become, you just
have blinders on and so

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singularly focused.
That's right.

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Yes, exactly.
So then the next part is the

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actual payoff or what they call
a convincer.

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What that how that works is the
victim gets a small payout as a

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demonstration of the success of
this scheme or event.

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So it kind of proves to them
that this is legitimate.

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I'm actually making some profit
off.

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Of it?
Why would someone just give me

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money?
Right.

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I'm gonna prove to you that this
is real.

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Yeah, See, you just doubled your
money.

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Yeah.
Now they also say, he says it

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can be a real amount of money
the the, the payoff or the

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convince.
Or it can be faked in some way,

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like maybe fake money or like
electronically, like here's a

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Bitcoin or you know.
Something Oh yeah.

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In a gambling con, the victim is
also wins like many many bets in

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a stock market con the victims
given like fake dividends.

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Oh, so it's never it's not real?
It doesn't have to be our, like

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a legitimate, real thing.
Like many times it is like in

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some of the examples we're going
to talk about today, some of

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them are real legit like, and
they're big.

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And so then that just sucks you
in even more.

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Oh yeah.
Oh my.

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Look at all real money in my
hands like.

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Let's money for nothing.
Yes.

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Going Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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OK.
The next part is what they he

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called the Hurrah.
And this is he calls a sudden

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manufactured crisis or a chains
of events that forces the victim

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to act and make a decision
quickly.

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Ah, OK.
So at this point, this is the

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point where the con is generally
going to either succeed or it's

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going to fail.
Like, this is the deciding

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point.
It was so with a financial scam,

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the con artist he like, might he
might tell the victim, OK, we're

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gonna do this, but this is the
only window of opportunity.

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Like we have to do it like
within the I don't make and

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within the next hour I'm just
making it up or do you have to

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do this within the next 72 hours
get your $1,000,000 out of the

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bank within the next 72 hours or
we're we can't you know invest

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in this stock or you know
whatever the.

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Yeah.
This is like a great deal and

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you have to, we have to jump on
it, Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The next one is called the N The

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N it's called the in.
Now the conspirator who is in on

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the con will assume a role of
like a bystander.

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Oh, of course, Yeah, of course.
Of course, and but this

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bystander, like they'll put
money into it too.

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So you're not the only you're
not.

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I hate to use the word victim,
but it's just so we can

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distinguish between the
perpetrator and the victim.

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Yes, and my examples, OK, That's
why you're not the only victim,

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right?
You've got another person, maybe

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another two, that are doing the
exact same thing that you're

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doing, and then maybe they do it
first.

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Right to So they're playing off
of your emotions.

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Like I don't know if I should do
this like.

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And he's like, no, no, no.
It works like let me.

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Show you.
Yeah.

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Or.
Or they say, yeah, maybe.

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I I don't know if it works
either, but like, you know what?

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I'm just going to do it.
I'm just going to do it.

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Because look how much money I've
already gotten.

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Yeah.
Exactly.

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And so, So they're building
confidence with a bystander,

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like trying to get them to say,
oh, look, this person's going to

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do it, so you might as well, you
might as well do it.

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All the cool kids are doing it.
Exactly, exactly.

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And yeah, like we said, so it
just gives reassurance, Yeah.

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And the last one is called the
corroboration.

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And so some cons require a
corroboration step, particularly

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those involving a fake but
reported rare item of great

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value.
And so this usually takes the

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use of an accomplice who plays
the part of an uninvolved,

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initially skeptical third party
who later confirms claims by the

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grifter.
I've got 17, three carat

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diamonds.
Let's go get them appraised.

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Or I've got them at a location
that's being held by a top

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diamond beard's owner.
Whatever.

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So let's go get them there.
Let's go look at them.

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So that kind of thing where
they're getting that other

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person to corroborate their
story or to validate?

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Yes.
Yeah.

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Which totally makes sense.
It's like an expert or like they

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have like an expert come in.
Yeah.

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Yep.
When you look at the three more

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three card Monty, all that stuff
is happening.

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You're getting the little you're
bringing you inviting them.

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You're you're you do the the
introduction you do the payout

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like it's so easy.
You got you watch people win all

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kinds of money and walk away who
are probably conspirators.

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Then you try it, you start
making money right.

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So now you're hooked.
And then, Yep.

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So we've got the approach, we've
got the build up, You get the

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payoff for the convincer, the
hoorah.

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Maybe.
Maybe they go, OK, we gotta do

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this fast.
We're gonna have to go quick,

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'cause I'm gonna have to jam or
something.

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So let's let's do a real quick,
like few hands real fast, right

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after you've already started
winning money, right.

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Oh, I gotta go.
Wait, no, no, no.

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Don't go.
Don't go.

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Don't.
Go right, yeah.

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Yeah, the conspirators, which we
talked about, the cooperation.

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Yeah, look, all the money I won,
all of the stuff happens in.

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This is in seconds or a minute.
Oh yeah, but the stakes are

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like, the stakes are pretty
well, I don't know.

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I guess they could be high or
low depending on how comfortable

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you are.
Like, are you throwing a grand

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down or 20 bucks?
Right.

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Like, have you seen these people
and like, walked away with money

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before and then you come back
and like, like, I'm going to

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walk away with some more money
And they, they're like, Oh no,

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you're going to have to pay more
money in order to play this

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game.
I'm gonna tell you a story

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that's not necessarily an
intentional con, but it plays

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the same plays by the same rule
book.

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OK.
I used to be a casino dealer.

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You did?
Uh huh.

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I didn't know that.
Layers.

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You're a freaking an onion,
Kevin.

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I am an.
Onion and I loved dealing

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blackjack.
That was my favorite thing.

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They also had me dealing
baccarat, which is actually

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complicated game.
But once you know how to play

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and be the dealer on that, it's,
you know, it's it's pretty

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straightforward.
Payouts suck, 'cause you long.

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I'm digressing.
OK.

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So love playing, playing,
dealing by check.

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Yeah, I was real good at being
personable and so they would put

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me in the high stakes.
Oh yeah, rooms.

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Uh huh.
And I went in there one time and

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sometime when I'm hot, I was
hot.

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Like I would just take your
money.

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I was just like sucking it in
right some.

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And then and then times when I
was what they call cool and you

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know, people were winning.
Well, I was in the high stakes

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room one time had nobody at my
table.

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A guy comes up, he has this
probably 434 inches stacks of

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white chips which were I think
those were $1000 chips.

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What?
Yeah.

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Oh my God.
And so we had a stack of them.

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And he comes down and he's
moping, He's moping.

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He's like sits down and I think
my the table limit on mine was

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$1000.
I think you had to bet $1000.

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Was Oh, that stresses me out.
Was the minimum.

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And he put $1000.
Guys, he goes, God, I hope you

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can help 'cause I guess I've
just gotten, I've lost so much

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money, so much money.
And if you're already holding

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like $20,000 in your hand and
you go, I've lost so much money

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you can only imagine.
Oh my gosh.

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How much money he lost.
Right.

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So we start gambling.
I'm sorry, He starts gambling.

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I'm dealing.
It's just he and I, and he's

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winning and winning and winning
and winning and winning and

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winning, which was kind of
unusual for me.

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Like, I was normally like a
pretty hot dealer.

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What?
And so he kept winning and

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winning and winning.
So he's getting like, now I'm

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starting to pay out like the
purple chips, which is like 5 is

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in 10, and then black ones are
10,000.

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Like, I'm really starting to
make money, and I can't remember

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if he said something or what,
but I said it.

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I got the impression that he was
either at or above where he

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needed to be, and I very quietly
suggested that he leave.

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Oh yeah, I.
Mean you don't want to.

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Go What is the?
What is the suggestion?

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If you're a dealer, like, how do
you say that?

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Just very quietly so like, the
pit boss and stuff.

456
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Doesn't hear, don't hear you.
I'm like, Oh my, you should go.

457
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,080
Really.
Yeah.

458
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Oh my gosh, Kevin, you were like
the Robin Hood of Like of us

459
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,200
because.
This was rare.

460
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,880
That somebody won someone.
Winning so much money,

461
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,520
especially off of me.
Like I I don't know what it was

462
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560
but I like, I would just like I
was hot.

463
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Like I would take your money.
Oh.

464
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:27,800
My.
God.

465
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,480
And so I'm like, yeah, you
probably should go.

466
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,720
And he And he goes, you know
what?

467
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240
You're right.
You're right.

468
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,040
I should.
And he flips me 1000 bucks.

469
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,880
What he can He can give you
1000.

470
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Bucks give you a tips.
Seriously.

471
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,120
Yeah, I didn't give me $1000.
Well, I'm not going to.

472
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,160
So my blood starts to boil when
I start talking about the tips

473
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,080
because I had to share tips and
I had to share tips with.

474
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,400
Everyone that would.
Would just like deal like Grumpy

475
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,640
face.
You're like, I'm good at this.

476
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,800
And then I had to share my tips
with those bitches that make no

477
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,000
money because nobody wants to
tip a grumpy face.

478
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Right.
I didn't even know that you

479
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,160
could tip someone.
Oh yeah, I tip dealers all the

480
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,120
time what I'm playing.
But anyway, I I lost.

481
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,160
I had ultimately could have had
$1000 plus all my other tips

482
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,800
that night, but I had this.
OK, that's a whole another

483
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,880
story.
Anyway, so he leaves.

484
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,600
Yeah, he sounded a little salty.
Yeah, I'm salty about that one

485
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,360
girl.
So he leaves girl 15 minutes.

486
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,120
He comes back with three inches
of $1000 chips.

487
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,000
No.
Yes.

488
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,480
He didn't just leave.
No.

489
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,520
He went to another place where
he lost all of his money before

490
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,360
and he lost all of that effing
money I gave him.

491
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,880
The House always wins, man.
And he comes back and he goes,

492
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,560
oh, I didn't leave and I go,
only got this, he goes, I hope

493
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,200
you can do what you did before.
And I'm like.

494
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,960
Go away.
I'm like, OK, let's see what

495
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,640
happens.
And within two minutes, I took

496
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,080
all of his money.
You did?

497
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Well.
You know what though?

498
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,080
He was never going to leave.
He wasn't.

499
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,040
He was going to spend all of his
money and like I.

500
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720
So you were the con artist?
So this is what I'm getting at.

501
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,120
So he was taunted.
I was teasing him.

502
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,720
I was showing him all the payout
and what he.

503
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,400
Could get.
And what was in store for him

504
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,080
and?
He just kept.

505
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Going, And he did so, conned him
right out of his money.

506
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,680
So how do you feel about that?
Because.

507
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,680
I I can't feel about.
I think I like, I can't think

508
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,360
about it.
Like I was there to do a job,

509
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,320
did my job.
I tried to help him when I

510
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,440
really even wasn't supposed.
To do that right.

511
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,520
So I can't feel any certain way
about it because if I really

512
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280
started to think, I would be so
depressed.

513
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Oh my God, I am not a gambler at
all.

514
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,000
I anytime I go and gamble like
give me Kitty glitter, give me

515
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,320
like the nickel slots Dean
Martin or something like that, I

516
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,880
will happily do that.
Yes, Penny, like give me those

517
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520
like I will.
I I will be like with all the

518
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,760
old ladies and just doing that
because I look at them like I'm

519
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,000
not going to get this money
back.

520
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Right.
That's how you have to look at

521
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,880
it.
Yeah, you have to.

522
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Yes, I'm.
I never assume I'm going to get

523
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,880
money.
That being said, I don't.

524
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,560
I think I've always broken even.
Yeah, good.

525
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,360
And I've never lost all my
money, yeah.

526
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,320
But to your point, you have to
go there, prepare like you're

527
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,120
going to spend $100 and this is
for entertainment, so I'm going

528
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,560
to leave here with $100 less
money.

529
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,000
Yes, yeah.
Because.

530
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,280
You have.
To because when you put like a

531
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,600
dollar into a vending machine,
you get a soda or a bag of chips

532
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,720
or whatever.
You got fucking nothing for

533
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,360
this.
Nothing.

534
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,640
Nothing.
And I just don't like.

535
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:07,080
I do not understand why people
will be like, oh, here's

536
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,240
thousands of dollars.
I had.

537
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,760
I had some friends and they,
they both had sons.

538
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,920
And they're like, oh, we're
going to have like, you know, a

539
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,960
weekend out.
Do you and Dave want to go?

540
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Dave and I went and both of them
loved gambling.

541
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,480
I had no idea how much they
loved gambling.

542
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Oh my God, they're.
And they're like, oh, we'll play

543
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,800
with like, however much money
and they're just dropping dough.

544
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,440
And we went into like the higher
stakes like area like, Oh yeah,

545
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,920
when we're down to our last like
thousand, we just put it in this

546
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,280
like in a machine.
I'm like, that's $1000.

547
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
That is 1000.
Dollars.

548
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,840
That is a lot of goddamn money.
That's so much money.

549
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Like I I kept on thinking, I'm
like you go to Europe with this

550
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,240
money, you could just.
So much with 1000.

551
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,120
Dollars.
Like, like every time he hit

552
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,080
this button, it was like 500
bucks.

553
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,000
You could feed a homeless
shelter.

554
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840
It makes me sick.
I was like, I was sweating and I

555
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,960
was like standing behind him,
like, and he was like hitting

556
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,720
this.
And I'm like, Oh my God, Dustin.

557
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,560
Like, I like, I could not handle
it.

558
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,520
I was sweating like, I know how
much money I looked.

559
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,080
I was like, Oh my God, every
time he hits it, it's $500.

560
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160
Like, what the fuck?
We're just in Black Hawk.

561
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,640
It was like insane.
But they loved it, and they're

562
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,880
fine with it.
It's again, it's about all of

563
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,600
these things feed on.
Greed if he's on greed and and

564
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,680
also like psychological like
it's like.

565
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Some sort of a.
Fulfillment.

566
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,680
What is that risk reward, that
whole reward in your brain.

567
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,280
And I think that's why they get
gamblers, because that whatever

568
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,720
that reward.
Center in your.

569
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Brain.
Yes.

570
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,680
Like reward, reward, rewards.
It's releasing that chemical

571
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,840
that makes you, like, feel
super.

572
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
And those kinds of people will
fall into these cons very

573
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600
easily.
It can get gone very easily.

574
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,080
My God.
So anyway, so I digress from all

575
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:15,760
of that, I wanted to talk about,
give you some examples of some

576
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,600
talk about some con artists,
very famous con artists.

577
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,520
I I could probably talk for
another hour and a half on just

578
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,840
all of these con artists.
I'm gonna try to.

579
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,120
I've got so much information on
them, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna

580
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,360
try to highlight them as best I
can.

581
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,840
So we're probably gonna do an
episode on this person by

582
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:47,360
herself, and she has to give her
a lot of labels actually, but

583
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,080
con artist is one of them and
her name is Sherry Shriner.

584
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,160
You love Sherry.
She cuz she is a Cray Cray

585
00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:00,080
person and most people would
probably call her a cult leader.

586
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,080
Yes.
But she is a con artist.

587
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,040
She graduated with a degree in
journalism, political science

588
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,720
and criminal justice.
Bitch be smart.

589
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Yeah, she's an intelligent
woman.

590
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,760
But she starts to believe in
like New World order and like

591
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,240
lizard people and like crazy
shit.

592
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320
And whether she really believes
it or not, this is something

593
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:36,840
that I question, sure.
But she was a full on con artist

594
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,600
because she started to sell her
wares.

595
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,800
Her wares, Her wish.
What's that?

596
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,800
That's just a phrase, you know.
I'm selling my wares.

597
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,520
I'm gonna sell my wares.
A product.

598
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,680
A product?
Yes.

599
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Selling her stuff.
Not her potty.

600
00:33:54,360 --> 00:34:01,400
So she created a radiant talk
show, an alien in the News

601
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,280
Radio.
So she was selling stuff on her

602
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160
radio show, thousands of
followers.

603
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,280
She would sell something called
Argonite, which I guess was the

604
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,360
only substance in the world that
could defeat the clones and the

605
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,320
synthetic robots.
Oh my God.

606
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,880
And she had it.
Sell this stuff.

607
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:27,280
She would make it and sell it
and a slew of other things that

608
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,159
I could go into.
Like I said, I have pages.

609
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,760
Pages on this girl.
She even convinced people so

610
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,719
much to believe in her that it
led to murders.

611
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,600
What?
Murders full on murders.

612
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,159
So here's the question.
Like, when someone's like a con

613
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,360
artist of this, like, level,
what is it like?

614
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,760
What are they getting off on?
Is it just like upping the ante

615
00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:00,320
well?
In her case, in her case it

616
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,200
wasn't necessarily financial
because this we're talking small

617
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,320
potatoes compared to some of the
other con artists we're gonna

618
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,920
talk about.
So I think in her case I think

619
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,720
it could be it could be that
level of she's attracted

620
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,800
control.
Yeah she was pretty lady yeah

621
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,080
could be something around that
level of control.

622
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,280
But she also had to.
Girl had to make some money.

623
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Girl had to make a living so
she'd con people into shit.

624
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,560
And when you look up Argonite
like, Oh my God bitch, it's like

625
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,040
metal shavings and fucking it's.
Like fool's gold.

626
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,160
It's like metal shavings and
what's the stuff you put on

627
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,360
tables that's real hard and it
gets real thick.

628
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Oh yeah, I know what you're
talking about.

629
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,360
God damn it, I can't think of
it.

630
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,120
Like an epoxy.
Like Epoxy?

631
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,800
Yeah, yeah, Like metal shavings
on epoxy Like you.

632
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,280
Did she make it?
Yes.

633
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,240
Oh my God.
You know what, though?

634
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,360
I fucking respect this shit out
of out of someone who's like,

635
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,440
yeah, so we're gonna sell this
like, argonite.

636
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,880
Sounds like, you know,
extraterrestrial.

637
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,880
It's gonna protect people.
Oh, they've never seen it

638
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,720
before.
So what Can we make metal

639
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,960
shavings?
Let's let's go down and get some

640
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,200
free fucking metal shavings and
epoxy.

641
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,720
The bitch is doing some some
some fucking like arts and

642
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,080
crafts in her basement and
motherfuckers are buying that.

643
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,040
Shit.
I'm gonna tell you something

644
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,320
right now.
What?

645
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:38,240
I could not in a million years
convince anyone to buy some

646
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:43,400
bullshit like metal shavings and
some like plastic resin.

647
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Like I could never do that.
Yeah, I it's like one of those

648
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,560
things like do you believe
you're bullshit?

649
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,160
You have to be confident for
sure.

650
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,560
Yeah.
Yeah, so like I said, we can

651
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
probably we're gonna do a whole,
I think episode on her.

652
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,080
God bless her.
Because I could like I have so

653
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,880
much material on her, so much
material.

654
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,920
You like, you keep on bringing
up Sherry Shriners, like, you're

655
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,560
like, have have you heard?
I'm like, no, I don't know who

656
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,720
this bitch is, like just now,
like, when we were talking about

657
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,760
her, I just looked her up.
I'm like, yeah, she's an

658
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
attractive woman, but like.
Oh girl.

659
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Crazy.
Rabbit holes, Rabbit curls.

660
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,000
OK, next one.
Charles Ponzi.

661
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,240
Oh my God.
Ponzi schemes.

662
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,360
Yes.
I've heard of that.

663
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,320
So Charles Ponzi ultimately
brought down five banks, yes,

664
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:53,400
and hundreds of investors with
total losses that would equate

665
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,720
to, in today's money, about $300
million.

666
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,200
Oh my gosh.
Ultimately charged with 86

667
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,800
counts of mail fraud.
Mail fraud, right?

668
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,640
But.
That's federal.

669
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Yeah, that's that's not stuff
you wanna fuck.

670
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120
With If you're gonna con, do not
do it through the mail.

671
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Yeah, do not involve the Postal
Service.

672
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Yes, they they do not take word
of warning.

673
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,600
Everyone's heard of the Ponzi
scheme.

674
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,880
Yes, this is obviously the man
who may not have necessarily

675
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,560
invented it, but he was the one
that was had the first biggest

676
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,320
success.
He wasn't just famous.

677
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Of Con.
He was infamous, yeah, for it.

678
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,320
Bernie Madoff.
He just immortalized the Ponzi

679
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Ponzi scheme.
And Bernie, which we're gonna

680
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,960
who we're gonna talk about in a
second, he takes the cake for.

681
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Piece of shit.
For apos and B quantity.

682
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,840
Oh yeah.
Now it's Charles Ponzi, as I

683
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,400
will talk a little bit, just a
little bit about it, because

684
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,720
it's kind of interesting.
He's an Italian.

685
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,080
Was he?
He was Italian.

686
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,440
Ponzi.
And this is a Ponzi came out and

687
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560
he operated out of the US and
Canada.

688
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,120
He had many Avias's, apparently.
Of course he would.

689
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,560
So his his scheme was he would
promise his clients a 50% profit

690
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,480
within 45 days or 100% profit in
whatever he was doing within 90

691
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,440
days.
And it was he was selling what

692
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,720
are called postal reply coupons.
Now keep in mind this was done

693
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,400
in the Oh my God, I don't have
my date.

694
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,600
This was like I think in like
the 40s like this was a little

695
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:52,800
long time ago, right.
And these things are called

696
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,000
postal reply coupons and you
would use do them in other

697
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,760
countries and redeem them at
face value in the United States.

698
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,760
So in short, these these
coupons, they can be exchanged

699
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:14,400
for postage stamps is ultimately
why why you use them and they're

700
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:22,320
used to send mail to other.
Postal stations or or places

701
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,320
that would accept them, OK.
And at the time, but the

702
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,800
majority of countries were
accepting these and using them.

703
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,320
And So what he was doing is he
was buying them in one country,

704
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,160
selling them way higher in
another country, OK, making

705
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,360
profit.
And then he was telling other

706
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,560
people to invest in this.
And so then he would take that

707
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,280
money, He would get all this
money, and he would pay his

708
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,160
first investors.
He would double and double their

709
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,640
money with this other money.
So they were like, fuck, yeah.

710
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,000
And then he was showing success
again.

711
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,200
We're talking.
About all these stuff.

712
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,280
Uh huh.
Until he was ultimately caught.

713
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:06,720
He ran the scheme for over a
year before it came crashing

714
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,840
down and at then it was like $20
million.

715
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,240
But that's what equates to like
200. $1,000,000 today, Yeah.

716
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,520
And and he didn't just like he
he did everything for the mail.

717
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,920
So like.
Well, yeah.

718
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,680
He was literally involving the
mail.

719
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

720
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Like it was like as much like he
was really trying to fuck over

721
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,480
like the Postal Service.
That's so funny.

722
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,240
Which brings us to Bernie
Madoff.

723
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,600
He was caught in 2008.
He defrauded thousands of

724
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,600
investors.
Billions of dollars.

725
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Actual losses to investors is
estimated about 18 billion.

726
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,600
Good God.
But the net worth of the

727
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,360
potential loss based on based on
fabricated gains on this stuff,

728
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,520
was almost 65 billion.
Oh my God.

729
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,560
About 14, almost 14 1/2 billion
dollars was recovered and

730
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,000
returned.
I don't know how they recovered

731
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,800
it.
Still billions of dollars

732
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,520
unrecovered.
Yeah.

733
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,360
He was sentenced to 150 years.
Oh my God.

734
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,320
So a little bit Barney.
He was born in 38.

735
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,760
He goes to Brooklyn Law School.
He leaves in 1960.

736
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,760
Why does it even 1960?
He founds this penny stock

737
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,240
brokerage and that a penny stock
is where you buy and sell shares

738
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,480
for less than a dollar.
That's why they call it penny

739
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:49,360
stock and eventually grows into
this Bernie Madoff investments

740
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,120
or no investment securities.
So now he starts this company

741
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,760
with $5000 that he had earned,
you know, and then a loan from

742
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,840
his father-in-law of about
$50,000.

743
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:09,720
And in 2003, a guy by the name
of Eric Swanson.

744
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,280
He's the assistant director of
the SEC.

745
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,920
He's investigating Madoff.
Well, he meets Shawna Madoff,

746
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:29,560
who is Bernie Madoff's niece,
and during that investigation he

747
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,360
finds nothing of interest, so is
reported.

748
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,240
OK, in 2004.
There's this other guy who's a

749
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,640
lawyer with the SC CS Office of
Compliance.

750
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,960
He informs her supervisor
Branch.

751
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,800
His game name is Mark Donohue,
that her review of Madoff found

752
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960
a lot of inconsistencies.
There was something going on and

753
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,120
she recommended, you know, let's
start investigating this.

754
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:06,880
In 2004, Mark Donohue's boss was
Eric Swanson, the guy that met

755
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,640
Bernie Madoff's niece and says
we need to yeah, we just just

756
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,080
stop the investigation we need.
That's it.

757
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,320
You don't need.
Smells fishy.

758
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,440
To do that.
But nobody really knew that he

759
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,120
hadn't was meeting Madoff's
niece, right?

760
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Shitty.
And then in 2006, when Swanson

761
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,280
left, he became engaged to Made
of Madoff.

762
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,520
In 2007, the two were married.
They say he didn't know anything

763
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,640
about it, but yeah, whatever.
Bullshit.

764
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,760
Of course, you know.
Yeah, and it was December 10th.

765
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,960
This is fascinating.
He told his sons his asset

766
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,520
management unit of his firm was
1.

767
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Great big lie.
He tells his sons this on on

768
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,440
December 10th.
Why?

769
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,680
Don't really know.
On December 11th, he's arrested.

770
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,200
Oh, maybe he knew.
Or maybe he just couldn't take

771
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,320
it anymore.
Could be, Yeah, 'cause it's

772
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,200
like, that's a long con.
Yeah.

773
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,160
Yes, that's a really long one.
Like, and to not be honest with

774
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,880
anyone about it, it's like that
would eat at you.

775
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,080
I think it would eat at you.
Or maybe you're just like your

776
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,880
soul's just rotten in general
and so you're just like, eat up,

777
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,760
baby.
Right, exactly.

778
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,800
Exactly.
Again, I could go on and on

779
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,000
about that one, but he was like,
he was like faking books as far

780
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,000
back as 1970.
They can find like he was doing

781
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
this like his entire life.
And he.

782
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,960
Some level of Con.
And he had been, yeah, like, he

783
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,320
was wealthy as fuck and you
know, like, and he had, like all

784
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,240
this money.
Definitely had enough time to

785
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,640
hide a bunch of it, yeah.
Exactly.

786
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,880
So it's like, sure, go ahead,
put me in jail.

787
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Did you know the SEC had six
investigations of him through

788
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,000
his tenure, and then they'd all
more botched in some form or

789
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,680
fashion?
Does not surprise me.

790
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,720
We're talking about the
government.

791
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,040
Fair enough, Fair enough.
Is it surprising that they were

792
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,080
inept?
He died in 2021, by the way.

793
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Yeah, RIP.
OK, the next one, who I find

794
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,680
very fascinating, we've all
probably heard of, is Elizabeth

795
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:23,000
Holmes.
This is a good one, yeah.

796
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,640
She was such a good growing
artist, As some of you may or

797
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,680
may not, she got Walgreens to
start building shit before she

798
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,560
even they even saw her product.
She's like, do you see this

799
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,560
pill?
It's going to test your blood

800
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,840
and like, do all this shit.
It's really going to

801
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,440
revolutionize everything.
Everyone's like, there's no way

802
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,400
that's going to happen.
No, no, no, it can.

803
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Here's the mumbo jumbo.
Yeah.

804
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
See, I'll prove it.
And then she completely

805
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,640
fictionalizes proving it.
And they're like, yeah, Oh my

806
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,800
God, we're going to build all
these Wellness centers and we're

807
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,360
going to do your product.
And Oh my God, yeah.

808
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Insane.
Insane.

809
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,680
She takes more than $700 million
from investors.

810
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:13,600
And she was like, very specific,
like the way that she even like

811
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,920
the way that she was even a aceo
and stuff.

812
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,880
Like she would intentionally
like her voice.

813
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,080
The way that she spoke was like
kind of like, I'm not going to

814
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,440
say what it sounds like, but
like it's like kind of lower

815
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,320
voice and dorky sounding.
And then she would always make

816
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,560
sure that her hair was like,
messed up, not looking perfect,

817
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,440
and she'd wear red lipstick and
would intentionally like, smear

818
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,720
it and like make herself look.
Look like a crazy smart person.

819
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,360
Yes, yes, that was all
intentional because she was

820
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:53,640
going to like these these like
bro investors and and like

821
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,640
technology firms and she was
trying to like be more like like

822
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,880
Steve Jobs or something like
insanity.

823
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,040
Complete Con Artist God.
From the from the moment she

824
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:04,840
woke up.
Almost.

825
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,960
She worked up.
So just a little bit about her

826
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,360
background.
So born in 84, she goes to high

827
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,640
school interest in computer
computer programming.

828
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,480
She starts her first business by
selling C++ compilers to Chinese

829
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,000
universities.
I mean, this girl was smart.

830
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,280
Yeah.
She starts learning Mandarin

831
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,280
2002.
She attends Stanford Chemical

832
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Engineering.
She works as a student

833
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,800
researcher.
Freshman year, she starts

834
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,120
working in this lab testing
respiratory syndrome through

835
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:45,040
collecting blood samples.
And in 2003, she uses, I guess,

836
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,280
her fear of needles as
motivation for her first patent.

837
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,560
That's right.
And their first patent was this

838
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,920
wearable She would deliver drugs
through this patch.

839
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,200
That was her little idea.
She drops out of Stanford, uses

840
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,880
tuition money to seed her
technology company called Real

841
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,360
Time Cures 2004.
She renames the company to

842
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:13,920
Thernos, which is, by the way,
fun fact supposed to be a

843
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,040
combination of two words,
therapy and diagnostics.

844
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,200
Oh, I didn't know that.
As you mentioned before, starts

845
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:30,120
getting realizing her potential
for this thing.

846
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,840
She wants it so bad.
Then she's like, how do I do

847
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,680
this?
Oh, Steve Jobs.

848
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,200
Brilliant.
He's smart.

849
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,440
Start imitating him.
Yep.

850
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,600
She raises like $6 million in a
in like the in a flash.

851
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,200
Pretty soon she's like raising
like 90 million in venture gets

852
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,600
the US Secretary of State meets
him.

853
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,480
That starts this whole chain
reaction.

854
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Who gets conned?
2013 Walgreens gets on board.

855
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,280
They're like, fuck yeah, like
we've never really seen the real

856
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,680
working device, But sure, we're
going to build all of these

857
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,360
Wellness centers and put your
device.

858
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:16,840
In it?
Money.

859
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,040
Money.
Money, money, money.

860
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Bingo again.
Good read.

861
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:27,480
Yes.
Yeah. 2014 company valued at $9

862
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,360
billion.
Shows you how much bullshit the

863
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,920
valuation process.
Is total bullshit.

864
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,240
Total bullshit 2015.
She establishes agreements with

865
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:44,000
all these hospitals same year
Forbes names are the youngest

866
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,240
and wealthiest self-made
billionaire.

867
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:55,320
Wall Street Journal at this time
start secretly investigating her

868
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,600
because some whistleblowers that
kind of you know like trying to

869
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,320
get into her but they're scared
because it was like a hostile

870
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:09,800
working by 2018 the SEC charges
her and her little Connor's

871
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,760
buddy Ramesh he.
Was like the COO wasn't.

872
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:23,000
He yeah, yeah.
She pays a $500,000 fine,

873
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,160
returns $18 million shares of a
company because she had got

874
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,600
convicted and they told her she
couldn't be ACEO of a company

875
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,720
anymore for like 10 years or
something.

876
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,720
And then in 2018 she and they
get indicted on fraud and in

877
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:41,360
2022 the case ends and she's
convicted of defrauding

878
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:48,520
investors and patents since to
1211.2 years and facing a $452

879
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,520
million fine.
Was it worth it?

880
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:53,880
For her?
Uh, huh.

881
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,320
I think these people get off on
like being the man or like being

882
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:06,040
like the hot shit.
Like I feel like she because she

883
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,400
says she didn't do anything
wrong.

884
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,320
She still will say that, and I
feel like she thinks it.

885
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Yes.
No.

886
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,200
Yeah, she's a fucking sociopath.
Like these people don't have any

887
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,480
morals, don't have any scruples.
Was it worth it for her to be on

888
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,000
the cover of, like, Time
magazine and like, yeah, I think

889
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,600
100% she would say it was worth
it.

890
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,560
Yeah, yeah.
Asking me fuck no.

891
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,480
That sounds like an awful lot of
work.

892
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,640
So much work.
Have you ever heard of Simon

893
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,880
Levev?
No.

894
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,280
Have you ever heard of the
Tinder Swindler?

895
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,000
OK, I've heard of it, but I have
no idea.

896
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,800
What the heck it is.
So it was between 2017 and 2019.

897
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,640
He conned an estimated $100
million from people in another

898
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,760
type of Ponzi scheme.
He serves 2 years in a Finland.

899
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,480
This is going to go.
You're going to, your jaw's

900
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,200
going to drop, OK?
He serves 2 years in a Finland

901
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,600
prison and serves 15 months in
in Israeli prison.

902
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,560
Real piece of shit.
Yeah.

903
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Was he finished or?
He was Israeli.

904
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,600
Oh, he's Israeli, OK.
Yeah, so he steals this

905
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,080
checkbook belonging to this
family while he's babysitting

906
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:19,640
their kid, and does the same
thing while working as a

907
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,720
handyman in their home.
Like he's like conning his

908
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,920
family, right?
In 2007.

909
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:32,280
In 2011, he's charged in Israel
with theft, forgery, and fraud.

910
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,120
He never shows up in court.
He escapes the country and goes

911
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,800
to Jordan with a fake passport,
by the way, under this other

912
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,840
name.
So in 2012, he's indicted by the

913
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Israeli court and again charged
again with theft, forgery and

914
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,760
checks, as well as leaving that
five year old baby unattended

915
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,480
because once he stole their
checkbooks, he was out.

916
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,520
There, he's gone.
Yeah.

917
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Oh my God.
In 2015, he's arrested in

918
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,600
Finland and sentenced to three
years in prison, and when he's

919
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,040
arrested in Finland, he claims
he was Israeli.

920
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,120
Born in 78, he was actually born
in 1990.

921
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,880
He was found with two forged
Israeli passports, 3 forged

922
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,560
Israeli driver's license, 2
forged Israeli flight permits

923
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,840
and five American Express credit
cards.

924
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:28,720
He had flight permits, too.
He finishes his sentence early.

925
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,120
He returns to Israel only did we
recharge and in those crimes in

926
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,360
2017 for the earth.
Sorry in 2017 for the crap that

927
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,640
he did in 2001, but he manages
to change his identity during

928
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,640
this whole little time again, of
course, to the Simon Leveve, and

929
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,200
is able to flee the country.
Oh my God.

930
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,600
So now he travels around Europe
pretending to be all these

931
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,400
different people.
He they They just need to put a

932
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,880
fucking tracker on this dude.
He presents himself as the son

933
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,200
of a Russian Israeli diamond
mogul who is a real person, Lev

934
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Levive, and he's using the
dating app Tinder to contact

935
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,400
women as him, as this son of the
Russian Israeli diamond mogul.

936
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,800
And he tricks him to giving him
money.

937
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Loaning him money.
Sorry, loaning him money.

938
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,040
God.
That's so fucked up.

939
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,600
And he would charge, he would do
the same thing.

940
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,480
He would be getting all this
money.

941
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,080
So then he's giving them gifts
and taking them on trips and

942
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,760
taking them on private jets and
giving them like all this

943
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,040
luxury, all the while conning
them like another Ponzi scheme

944
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,840
kind of thing.
Using their money to con them.

945
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,160
That whole pay off conceiver.
Thing.

946
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,440
Then he would pretend to be
targeted by his enemies, and he

947
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,880
would show them pictures of his
body, of his bodyguard being

948
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,320
totally attacked by his enemies
because his dad is like this

949
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,080
Russian diamond mogul.
And so now he's being attacked

950
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,720
and so using it as sympathy for
this woman, right?

951
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:58,840
I mean, oh, help me.
Help.

952
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,760
Me.
Oh yeah, yeah.

953
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,280
I'm so unsafe I don't know what
to do.

954
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,720
Yeah, so you have to pay for my
hotel at the embassy for God

955
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,040
Dick 2019.
He's arrested by Interpol in

956
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,960
Greece after using another
forged passport.

957
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,520
Later that year, he was
sentenced to 15 months in prison

958
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,760
in Israel, but released after
only five months because of the

959
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,000
pandemic.
Oh, of course.

960
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,440
Then he pretends to be a medical
worker so he can get the vaccine

961
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,400
before anybody else.
Oh my God this guy his his like

962
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,080
cons no like no no bounds.
No, no bounds.

963
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,920
Then he starts a website so they
can give business advice.

964
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,960
Of course.
Why not?

965
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,840
Why not?
I don't.

966
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:51,080
Have to do business.
God in 20, in February of 22.

967
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:57,280
So just about a year ago, the
Levie family sue him for using

968
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,440
his name, tarnishing his name or
the, you know, they're actually

969
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,880
the real Russian gold.
Guard or whatever, yeah.

970
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,400
And that hearing of the the
complaint that was postponed

971
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,840
after an Israeli prosecutor's
office and a request to postpone

972
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,480
the hearing on the grounds that
he was actually needs to be

973
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,840
prosecuted on all that other
shit that he's never been able

974
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,800
to be prosecuted with this dude
like.

975
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,120
You know what it's like?
It's like catch me if you can.

976
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,200
Yeah.
It's like the modern day.

977
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,000
Catch me if you can.
It is dudes using dating apps.

978
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,400
He's I mean, getting all of this
money.

979
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Like just thinking about how
much work it would take to

980
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,520
remember all your lies.
That's why I would be so bad.

981
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,160
Yeah, like, how would he how
does he do it?

982
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,760
Does he have like an Excel
spreadsheet?

983
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,160
Like what is it?
They're so sociopathic that they

984
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,000
they can do it.
I don't.

985
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,680
I don't know.
They.

986
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Just believe their own bullshit.
I could talk about this next one

987
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,520
all day.
I'm not going to do it.

988
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,560
She's fascinating, and not not
only because the complete

989
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:17,640
bamboozle she was able to do,
but it was the amount of money

990
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:23,720
was so minuscule compared to the
other ones, yet she was

991
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,760
sentenced 5 times longer than
any of them.

992
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,880
We're talking about Anadelphi.
I was hoping you were gonna talk

993
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,200
about her.
I kind of think she's great.

994
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,400
I think she's.
Like The Audacity.

995
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:45,120
Like she She's insane.
She's insane.

996
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,560
So she like like, she's been
interviewed since and the

997
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,880
interviewers will say things
like, So why did you make people

998
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,760
believe that you were like a
Russian, like royal or whatever?

999
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Oligarch.
Yeah.

1000
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,480
Why?
Like, why'd you do that?

1001
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,480
She's like, I never said
anything like.

1002
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,480
That right?
So I never said anything like

1003
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,040
that.
If they believed that, that's

1004
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,720
their fault.
Oh my God, that was that's that

1005
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,320
was her response about
everything that she did.

1006
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,480
Like she would deny it.
Or she could.

1007
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,240
Blame people for believing it.
She she was like, they're

1008
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,520
stupid.
What's supposed to do?

1009
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,560
It's like that is so fucking.
Funny.

1010
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,040
Oh my God.
Oh my God.

1011
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,080
So she was born in the Soviet
Union in 91, in the middle, in a

1012
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,480
middle class neighborhood.
In 2007 she migrated from Russia

1013
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:47,160
to Germany with her family.
In 11, 2011 she left Germany to

1014
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,920
live in London and Paris in 2013
moves to New York, where she

1015
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,560
interned for this French
magazine called Purple.

1016
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:01,920
She dreams up this space.
That would be for private

1017
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,840
members and it would be like
arts.

1018
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,560
Yes.
Exclusive club.

1019
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,480
Yes.
Mm hmm.

1020
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,160
Like a social club.
Yeah, yes.

1021
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,600
And it would feature like pop
ups and exhibitions and national

1022
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,280
artists and a hangout for the
who's who.

1023
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,800
You.
Know the posh de posh.

1024
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,480
So she creates all these fake
documents.

1025
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,560
You know, she has a she claims
to have this trust and that's

1026
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,040
how she's getting all of this
money.

1027
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,880
And this is what's past banks
are giving her money.

1028
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,560
How I couldn't do that?
I know.

1029
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,120
Like, I know.
I know what it took to buy my

1030
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,360
house.
Right or exactly?

1031
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,960
Like the amount of hoops you
have to jump through.

1032
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,880
Do you have this?
Do you have this?

1033
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,040
Give us this document.
I'm like, Oh my gosh and.

1034
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,360
This document better match up to
this other.

1035
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,080
Document.
Yes.

1036
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,720
Oh oh.
It doesn't match up perfectly.

1037
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,560
So can you please send me an an
additional?

1038
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,200
It's like, Oh my God, it's too
much.

1039
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,760
She just always had answers.
Yes, that's it.

1040
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,040
That's it.
She always had and good answers.

1041
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,320
Yes, she knew how to manipulate,
but like, do we blame her for

1042
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,480
like, manipulating banks?
Like, fuck banks.

1043
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,680
Yes, I'm sorry, because who
pays?

1044
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,360
Who suffers?
Banks.

1045
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,000
No.
Suffer.

1046
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,240
No, because then we bail them
out.

1047
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,360
Who's with whose money?
Do we?

1048
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,840
Bail them out.
I mean, that is a problem.

1049
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,200
I'm not saying but, but you
know, banks suck.

1050
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,920
Well, they're clearly stupid.
They're clearly stupid.

1051
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:58,120
Yeah.
And so she ends up, why didn't I

1052
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,440
write this down?
I can't remember how much she's

1053
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,480
convicted of or how much time.
But in comparison, it's it's

1054
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,720
preposterous.
The amount of money that she

1055
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:12,280
took was minuscule.
Minuscule compared to these

1056
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,200
other fraudsters.
It's it's preposterous.

1057
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,680
It's it was really preposterous.
Looks like she got 4 to 6 or 4

1058
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,200
to 12 years in prison.
OK.

1059
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,800
Yeah.
Jesus.

1060
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,160
OK, so now I'm gonna talk
quickly about a guy named, and

1061
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,080
I'm gonna run through these last
ones pretty quickly.

1062
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,280
Stephen Robert Komisar.
This guy's a true POS man.

1063
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,880
He was last released from
federal prison in 2018.

1064
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,800
He was known as selling a solar
powered clothes dryer in

1065
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,440
national magazines.
Have you ever heard of this,

1066
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,120
this guy?
Yeah, there was solar powered

1067
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,280
clothes dryers.
It was.

1068
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,520
That's huge.
Amazing.

1069
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,960
Huge, huge.
And there were only 4995.

1070
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,880
OK.
Question mark, question mark,

1071
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,960
question mark.
I'm sorry, but if it seems too

1072
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,800
good to be true, I think it.
Is it was a span of clothesline

1073
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,160
Fucking Dick.
You know what though?

1074
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:28,720
That's very fucking funny.
Good old fashioned solar power,

1075
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,280
clothes drive.
So what?

1076
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,840
People are just like fine like
you.

1077
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:42,880
You can't be upset about it
because technically it's

1078
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,880
straight up correct.
That's what's so shitty about

1079
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:48,840
it.
I think.

1080
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:55,040
He was full on selling the
actual solar powered only. 4999

1081
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,040
Oh my God.
Fucked up dude.

1082
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,280
And then he's interested in all
kinds of other crimes in 83 and

1083
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,160
909499.
I mean it just, it's nuts.

1084
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,040
And then he was arrested for
swindling investors in a fake

1085
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:20,200
television quiz show involving
Joe Namath, sentenced to 33

1086
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,840
months in jail for that in 2002.
He gets out.

1087
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,360
He goes by this different name,
says he's retired.

1088
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,320
Connor.
I'm retired.

1089
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,600
No more conning.
Don't worry about me, I'm done.

1090
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,680
Look over there.
And he poses as this fraud

1091
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,280
prevention expert and this
consultant and he's like on

1092
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,800
Dateline and he is on The View
and Sally and Lisa and all these

1093
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:51,320
programs like reformed con man.
I'm now an expert in fraud

1094
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,400
prevention.
I'm going to show you how to

1095
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,480
prevent fraud.
You can buy my book for.

1096
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:04,560
Writes a book.
Later that year he's arrested

1097
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,360
for conning an 84 year old man
out of a half $1,000,000.

1098
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,360
Oh, that's fucked up.
I was totally on board with this

1099
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,240
dude with.
The solar power told you POS.

1100
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,160
But you know what?
Total POS.

1101
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,720
Not cool.
David Hampton This one's

1102
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,400
interesting.
Born in 64, he actually died in

1103
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,000
2003.
He became famous in the 80s.

1104
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,080
He convinced a bunch of wealthy
New Yorkers to give him food,

1105
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,200
money, shelter, all this stuff
because he claimed he was the

1106
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,800
son of Sidney Poitier.
Oh yeah.

1107
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,840
His name's real name is David
Hampton.

1108
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,880
His story is what created the
movie 6�� of Separation.

1109
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,840
Seriously, have you seen that
movie that's based on David,

1110
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,480
that's based on his story?
Reed Slatkin?

1111
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,640
Yeah, he was born in 49, died in
15.

1112
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,240
He was a Co founder of
EarthLink.

1113
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,600
Do you know what EarthLink is?
That's an Internet company.

1114
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,840
It still exists to this day.
Yes, yeah.

1115
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:16,280
He was an ordained Scientology
minister in 75 and then around

1116
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:22,400
84 he changed to become a full
time, from a full time minister

1117
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,320
to becoming a self-employed
investor.

1118
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:31,040
Sounds like a pretty natural.
Leader, But who are very

1119
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,280
prominent Scientologists.
Oh yeah, like Tom.

1120
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,040
Very rich people.
Oh.

1121
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,840
Yeah uh huh.
Perfect client base.

1122
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,120
Yeah.
So he's still involved in

1123
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,480
Scientology.
Yeah, he was still.

1124
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,080
Scientologist.
He just wasn't a minister.

1125
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:52,160
Yeah, and so in 86, 2001, he
gets about $600 million from

1126
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,400
these investors for the same
same thing.

1127
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,680
Ponzi.
A Ponzi scheme.

1128
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,920
Yeah Investment Ponzi scheme.
He ends up pleading 50 guilty to

1129
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,000
15 counts of mail fraud, wire
fraud, money laundering and

1130
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,240
obstruction of justice.
In 2003, he was sentenced to 14

1131
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:15,160
years in prison.
OK, so like, I'm not trying to,

1132
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,960
I'm really not trying to like to
cover up or or like, sympathize

1133
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,800
with a con artist, but I'm
finding myself being in that

1134
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,040
corner.
OK, so.

1135
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,120
Is it because of their
cleverness or is it?

1136
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,480
Why?
Why are you?

1137
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,920
I think it's kind of funny,
honestly.

1138
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,240
Honestly, I kind of love the
chaos that they create.

1139
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,760
Because you know what?
Like, OK, bank, banking systems,

1140
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:46,480
like fuck em, who cares?
Like, burn it all down, OK?

1141
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,200
It's not doing.
Down with the man.

1142
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,960
Yes, down.
Exactly down with the man.

1143
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:56,440
But like, Scientologists, talk
about a gullible batch of folks.

1144
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:57,640
Well.
Clearly like.

1145
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:02,240
Clearly.
L Ron Hubbard was a fantasy

1146
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,960
writer who created a religion
and was even quoted as saying

1147
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,840
like, you want to know how to
make money, make do a create a

1148
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,440
religion.
And he fucking did it.

1149
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,200
He did it, he did it after that.
But like these people are paying

1150
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,680
like $700.00 for a book that's
supposed to like release their

1151
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,960
thetan.
So, like, yeah, I don't know.

1152
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:28,399
Maybe they fucking deserve it.
Like, like I I no, no, I like.

1153
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:29,840
Like, I don't actually think
they deserve it.

1154
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,240
But it's like, fuck em.
Yeah, fuck Scientology.

1155
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,600
Well, yeah, you.
Know.

1156
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,359
Yeah, I know, I know.
And that this again, total POS.

1157
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:43,640
And so I'm not going to go into
this last one, but the last one

1158
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,600
is a con.
You ever heard of Enron?

1159
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,680
Yes, yeah.
So they ended up they did a lot

1160
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,240
of scheming and conning and
conned thousands of people out

1161
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,560
of their retirement and.
So messed up.

1162
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,200
Awful.
So messed.

1163
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,520
Up awful.
And they were shitheads.

1164
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,240
They knew what they were doing.
They, they, the even the wife of

1165
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:11,359
one of the the founders, She got
caught selling 500,000 shares of

1166
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:17,600
her stock, which was well over
$1,000,000 at the time, 30

1167
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:23,920
minutes before they announced
the stock, you know, crash or

1168
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,840
whatever.
So she knew what was going to

1169
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,200
happen.
Yeah, totally knew what was

1170
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,600
going to happen.
Isn't that's like insider

1171
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,160
training?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1172
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,880
Taking all that money from those
poor people.

1173
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,720
Yeah, that's like, yeah, it's
it's when especially when you

1174
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,160
have like like the man who was
to who had like a half,

1175
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,359
$1,000,000, he was 84 years old.
It's like he's never going to

1176
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,160
get that money back.
No, like he's in his twilight

1177
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,600
years.
Like that's fucked up.

1178
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,840
And you hear those cons on the
all the time about when they on

1179
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:57,560
the when people are calling on
the Internet, the emails, the

1180
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,560
the Prince.
One's stupid but.

1181
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,640
We had the the Nigerian.
Prince who just needs help and

1182
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,680
and poor people fall for it
again because they follow those

1183
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,760
steps, those seven steps and
people fall for it.

1184
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,040
Well, yeah.
And I and I think that like a

1185
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:18,200
great lesson in that is like if
it is quick and easy that easy,

1186
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,080
it's probably not right.
There's probably.

1187
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,200
Something wrong with pretty much
certain guaranteed.

1188
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,800
Tell you it's not worth it?
Yes.

1189
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,480
Don't do it.
Don't know.

1190
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,720
It's like you don't want to know
what's worth it.

1191
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,200
It's like living a life of like
honesty and integrity and like

1192
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,040
being able to sleep at night,
right?

1193
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,720
Like these people are so fucked
up.

1194
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,040
Like they will.
It's all it seems like it's an

1195
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,800
addiction to them because like
even the Connors like, OK, I'm

1196
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,920
retired.
It's like they can't retire.

1197
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,280
They don't know how to not screw
people over, you know It's like

1198
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,000
they that is like that is who
they are.

1199
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,520
So they'll always try to find
ways to do it.

1200
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,040
Like Anna Delavy.
Well let's see she's gonna,

1201
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,800
she's probably gonna be doing
something like.

1202
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,280
But you know, at the same time,
it takes like a bit of

1203
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,640
intelligence for these people to
actually pull it off.

1204
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,640
That's what I again these people
are smart.

1205
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,920
Yeah, you saw how many people
went to college.

1206
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Oh yeah, how many people?
To do something so involved

1207
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:21,960
takes a brain.
Yes.

1208
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,520
Yeah, a sociopathic brain.
Yeah, but a brain.

1209
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,600
A brain nonetheless, a brain.
Nonetheless.

1210
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,000
Yeah, I mean it's and it's
interesting like, I feel like

1211
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:36,560
I'm really interested in hearing
about your girl Sherri Shriner,

1212
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,000
because I don't know much about
her.

1213
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,680
I've heard of the these other
some of these other folks, but

1214
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,400
it is fascinating and really
strange how these folks come out

1215
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,720
of the woodworks and they all do
the same stuff.

1216
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,440
They all they all follow the
same like rules and guidelines.

1217
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,600
Exactly.
It's crazy.

1218
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,120
Boils down to the same stuff
too, at the end of the day.

1219
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,640
Yeah.
Yeah, crazy.

1220
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,040
They they think that they're
probably got walking gods, but

1221
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,440
in reality they're all the same
pieces of shit.

1222
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,880
Hey, man.
Well, good.

1223
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,480
That's it for my episodes.
So thanks for listening.

1224
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,440
And thank you for that one, it's
really interesting.

1225
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:16,360
Yeah, you're welcome.
We'll we'll talk in a couple

1226
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,400
weeks.
Yes.

1227
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,960
OK, see you then.
OK.

1228
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:19,480
Bye.