The Cursed Ring of Rudolph Valentino: Beauty, Scandal, & the Price of Desire

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Hello Bizarre Story friends, if
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AFI am Alicia, your Hostess for
today's episode and as always,

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we ask that you keep an open
mind.

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Keep a skeptical ear, but keep
on listening to the facts as we

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take you on our newest journey,
The cursed ring of Rudolph

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Valentino beauty scandal and the
price of desire.

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Well, hello Kevin.
What a star you look like.

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Thanks.
Good to see you.

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It's good to see you, you know,
we're here again, and this time

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we're actually talking about
curses.

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Yeah.
So I don't.

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Think we've ever done an episode
on a curse, have we?

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Well, yeah, we actually have.
We've done a couple of them,

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Yeah.
Do you?

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Do you?
First off, do you believe that?

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A curse.
Can exist so like we did voodoo

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right we did one on a voodoo yes
to do curses on in voodoo do I

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think they exist let me just say
that I'm undecided let me just

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put.
It that way.

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That's a great way to walk into
this episode undecided.

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I think I'm still undecided.
You know, I, I feel like there's

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and we'll talk about it a little
bit.

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Sometimes people are more prone
to being cursed based off of

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their their own, you know?
Sure.

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Decisions.
Yes.

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But I think also there's maybe
there's an energy behind it.

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See, I was just gonna say that I
think people put their own

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energy out, and if I tell you
something, you're gonna put that

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energy out and make it happen.
Right, They say like what you

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what you believe or what you're
what you talk about like that is

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that shapes your reality.
So I mean, I guess I could see

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both sides and right, you know,
I know that we had spoken in the

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past.
We have spoken about curses.

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We spoke about it in the Titanic
episode that we had.

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We also touched on them when we
explored voodoo or voodoo and

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then Jin we briefed went over
like an overview of the gin and

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curses there as well as the 27
Club which.

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Oh, right.
Yeah, which was like a whole.

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Yes, that was one of our firsts.
It was, yeah, it was one of our

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early earlier episodes, but that
was all about curses.

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Right.
Yeah, yeah.

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So today, since we haven't
really we've, that was the last

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time we really went over a
curse, I thought that we would

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explore a famous case that's,
you know, just as bizarre as it

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is tragic.
Rudolph Valentino's cursed ring.

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So today we're actually going to
talk about this ring that would

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cause owners injury, misfortune
and even death.

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Yeah.
So do you know, do you know who

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Rudolph Valentino is?
You know, I don't.

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I was, you know, as you were
talking about the name, I'm

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like, I know this name.
It's was he like a Valentino?

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Yeah, I don't know.
Rudolf Valentino, you know.

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Romantic.
I think of him like a.

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Yes.
Yeah, that's exactly.

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He was a silent film star.
Yeah.

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Yes, OK.
Yes, and actually I was recently

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watching the show Peaky
Blinders.

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I don't know if you've seen that
one.

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No.
OK, so it's a show that takes

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place like in, you know, the
teen 20s in Ireland.

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Anyways, it's a good show.
It's fun, great acting.

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But in the movie, he was
actually featured or in the

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show, he was featured in a scene
where this girl's watching a

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silent movie and Rudolf Latino's
on the screen.

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And I, I was telling you, I'm
like, Oh my God, there's Rudolph

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Valentino.
He's like, how the hell do you

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know about this?
But when I was watching it, it

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kind of struck me how handsome
he was and how, you know, the

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phenomenon that he was at that
time really extended outside of

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the charisma that he had on
screen.

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So he was a classic plucked from
obscurity with a penny to his

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name and seemingly like
overnight success fandom in

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Hollywood.
He was actually born Rodolfo

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Pietro Filberto Rafaelo, blah
blah blah blah blah.

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May 6th, 1895 in Castle Castle
in Italy, which is in southern

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Italy.
Little known fact, bizarre F

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royalty.
Dan Castellena, the voice of

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Homer Simpson.
That's where his family comes

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from.
So I just thought, no, it's a

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very small town.
It was kind of kind of weird

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that that was the case.
So his father, both of his

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parents were Italian.
His father was serving in the

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Italian cavalry and became a
veterinarian.

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His mother was was French,
Italian and actually a leading

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in waiting to a local Marquess.
So in short, Rodolfo was not

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financially hurting as a kid,
right?

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He had, you know, he had means
and he was really the apple of

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his mother's eye.
And as a kid, this dude had

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charisma.
He was beautiful and playful and

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everyone loved him and like
those charismatic personalities.

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Have you ever been around
somebody who were basically

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speechless in their presence?
I'm trying to think have I I'm

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sure, I'm sure like some people,
you just something about them or

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how they communicate or maybe
their appearance or yeah, you

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just they're some kind of
enamored or taken with Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm talking about, like,
like this gorgeous someone who's

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so beautiful.
And that is just like that

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infectious energy that's, like,
palpable.

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You can, like, taste it.
Yeah.

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So I actually have a story.
About I want to be your friend.

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Yeah, or, or like I've flown too
close to the sun.

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Yeah.
Dave and I were one year.

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We're in Italy for a vacation
and we were in, you know,

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Venice, Rome, Milan in the
summer, which you don't fucking

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do that.
It's way too hot.

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Anyway, when I think of an
Italian man from Italy, just

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indulge me.
I think of a sweet talker,

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charmer, beautiful and
dangerous, right?

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Yeah, And this was the only time
so far.

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And God, I honestly hope it
never happens again, that I was

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speechless and I could have been
putty in a stranger's hand.

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This, this man was the most
gorgeous man I have ever seen.

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He spoke English and we were at
like a restaurant and I was

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trying to speak shitty Italian.
And they got him and he came up

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and he it was, it was a mock.
Who was he?

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I mean, what was, why was what
do you mean they got him?

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Like who was he?
So he was an he was a waiter, A

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waiter at this restaurant.
OK.

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And my broken Italian was not
working.

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Oh, I see.
And they're like, oh, he, well,

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he speaks English.
He speaks.

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English come and talk to him.
I was like fucking stunned.

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I was stunned.
Like I could not say anything.

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I, I was, I was like got too
close to the sun and I couldn't

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do anything about it.
I didn't want to look directly

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at him because he was so
beautiful.

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It was too much and fucking
embarrassing as hell because

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Dave was right next.
To me go.

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Through all of this, thank God
he's like 1, not jealous and

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then two, able to make fun of me
because I was like blankly like

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staring, you know, just blanking
at this guy and trying to put

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together incoherent English
sentences.

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So this is what I think of when
I think of Rodolfo Valentino,

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you know, Rudolf Valentino.
I think of that, that charm,

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that charisma.
And this was seen in him as a

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small child and it caused his
mother to, like I said,

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absolutely don't on him.
His dad was seeing through the

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mess that was, you know, Rudolf
Valentino.

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And he was disappointed because
this charm and these good looks

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were being used.
Rudolf was using them to his

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advantage.
He was not a great student.

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He did not like, he kind of
charmed his way through a lot of

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shit.
One of those people and, you

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know, his parents, his dad was
like, look, this is like not

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this is not good.
He needs to have more

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discipline.
And, and his mom's like, what do

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you mean?
He's just so beautiful.

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He's, you know, whatever.
His dad dies at 11 and this was

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back in the days of malaria.
Just think about how many people

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get away with stuff because
they're just fucking gorgeous

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and and they flirt with you and
then you they'll you'll give

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them whatever they want.
And, you know, you know, that

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they're taking advantage of you.
And you're like, I kind of want

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you to do kind of OK with that.
You know, there are so many

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people who do that.
And, like, he was one of them

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from a young age.
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So his dad dies and then he,
like, eventually enrolls into an

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agricultural school and moves to
Paris.

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Paris is not able to get a job.
Once again, this dude is

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beautiful, but is he a good
worker?

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That's remains to be seen.
So after moving to Paris, not

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being able to get a job, he goes
to New York through Ellis Island

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in 1913 and is doing odd jobs to
support himself.

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We're talking vesting tables,
gardening, because he has that

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architectural degree, working at
restaurants.

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And he wasn't good at any of it.
He just really wasn't or very

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motivated.
He was kind of one of those guys

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who had a lot of shit handed to
him, right?

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Sure.
So he actually, you know, finds

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his calling shortly after
dancing the tango.

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The tango was like the hot thing
at the time.

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And he gets paid very well as a
taxi dancer, which essentially

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is a dancer who gets paid to
dance with people in dance

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halls.
That was like the huge.

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Like Tina Turner's Dancing for
Money?

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Yes.
Dancing for money exactly and it

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was likely good to or due to his
good looks and dark features

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that he begins meeting the Creme
de la Creme of New York society.

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OK And he has a friendship, air
quotes friendship with Chilean

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business or Chilean heiress
Blanca de Salas, which who was

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who was married to a businessman
in New York City and very

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unhappy.
So she's like royalty.

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And in New York society at this
time, you know, divorce was not

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really a thing that would
happen.

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So people would, you know, kind
of suck it up and hate each

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other essentially and.
Have affairs and have.

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Affairs.
Yeah, and go to dance halls and

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have friends who were really,
really attractive and knew how

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to dance the tango and, like,
yeah, Yeah, of course.

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So you just kind of like, at
that time in your, if you were

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married, you would kind of suck
it up and, you know, not divorce

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each other, just hate each
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But Bianca had her own money.
She was an heiress, and she

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didn't give a fuck.
She wanted divorce.

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She's like, I don't want to be
married to this man anymore.

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So this actually led to a
titillating custody trial where

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they had a child and they were
both fighting for custody,

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which, you know, everyone was
following.

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They were throwing arrows at
each each other through

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different news, you know, papers
and, you know, just attacking

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each other.
Of course, everyone's eating it

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up, right?
Like, Oh my God, look at these

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people who seem to have
everything and really, they

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fucking hate each other and are
miserable.

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So there was a trial, the
custody trial, and Rudolph was

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actually asked to be a witness
and he defends Bianca in it.

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So he's like, yeah, Bianca,
like, I've heard some things.

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Whatever.
So she it's I guess it's good.

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He she gets partial custody and
the story ends.

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That's it.
I'm kidding.

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That's not it.
Essentially she ends up fighting

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with her husband, ex-husband in
person and she shoots him.

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One thing led to another, he's
dead.

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OK, let's just say like
essentially she was acquitted,

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but he, because he defended her
in court, was blacklisted from

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all of New York society, you
know, events and things because

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he defended a now murderer.
So what does he do?

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He joins an operatic group and
performs all the way through to

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Utah where he meets basically
the Clark Gable of the names

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Norman Carey.
And he encourages him to try

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this new fingled idea, which is
film.

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Now, at the time, the big stars
like the the romantic leads were

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all fair complected.
So they had, you know, blonde

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hair, blue eyes.
You'd be a hit, Kevin.

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These are these are now at this
point, silent films are

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starting.
This is the beginning of film.

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And there are film, you know,
films being done in mainly

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Hollywood.
Like this is a new area.

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And so they're starting to build
production studios and stuff

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like that.
But that's where all the all

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these films are being really
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There are some in New York, but
there's just wide open spaces in

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Hollywood.
So as an Italian man, Rodolfo is

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dark featured, dark skinned, you
know, darker features.

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You know, he gets roles of the
bad guys and gangsters.

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Sure, makes sense, right.
And not necessarily what he was

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looking for, Right, right.
You're not going to be he's not

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going to be the person who's
cast as a lead.

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And we're talking about a dude
who probably has a fucking huge

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ass ego because he's he's never
been told no in his life.

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Exactly.
And he doesn't like it.

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So he's like, OK, well, I'm
gonna just try to go back and

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dance for a bit.
So he ends up going back and

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ultimately back to New York, NY
City.

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And people don't forget what
happened, right?

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And the problem with that is he
can't get any jobs.

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He can't really do much of
anything, right.

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He is with, you know, he's
already blacklisted.

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So it's not like you can go
back, go back and like, you

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know, be a taxi dancer.
Still, it was paying pretty

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well.
So he he ends up going coming

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back and and trying out once
again, film.

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He made money as a taxi dancer.
And well, would going back to a

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taxi dancer, would you ever do
anything like that?

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Would you like pay to have
someone?

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I would pay to have someone a
beautiful dance with me.

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But you are a dancer.
So you've did you instruct?

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Yeah.
OK, Yeah, Yeah, I, I suppose,

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well, especially, you know, in
that day and age, that was

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entertainment, right?
You went to clubs and danced.

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And so I think that, I mean,
today's day and age, I think

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that would be just a little
uncommon to pay someone just to

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dance with you and you'd pay
them to do other things.

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There'd be a little bit more to
it.

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Yeah, like the boyfriend
ex-girlfriend experience more

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than dancing, right.
But back then I would.

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I think that's absolutely what
would be if you had the means

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and you were in that level of
society.

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I think that I probably would.
I would.

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I would do that.
Yeah, I think, I think

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ultimately, you know, that that
was, we didn't have smartphones,

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we didn't have like, so that was
like the social way to do it.

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So it was something he always
fall back on and he did.

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I'm not doing as well as I was.
Maybe I should go back to

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Hollywood.
So in 1921, the Four Horsemen of

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the Apocalypse drops.
And this is a movie that

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Valentino has really kind of his
first starring role in.

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And he dances the tango in that
film.

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OK, Smooth, sultry and tense.
And audiences lose their

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freaking minds, OK?
Because they're already seeing

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this, like, huge fad, right?
It's like, very sexy, very

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sultry.
And he is the epitome of that,

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right?
And women fall in love with

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them.
Men want to be him and fall in

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love with, like, everyone.
Everyone wants to be him.

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Yeah.
But the be him or be with him,

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you be.
Him or be with him?

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Yeah, 100%.
But, you know, because it was

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like, so new and like, he
becomes a huge star overnight

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and it really becomes one of the
highest grossing silent films of

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all time.
Wow, have you ever seen a silent

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film?
I have God.

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I don't think I ever have.
Oh my God.

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I'm gonna watch that one.
Yeah, yeah, that I mean some of.

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So the problem with a lot of
watching a lot of silent films

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is a lot of them were just, they
threw them away or they would

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reuse, they'd reuse sets or
whatever and they didn't see any

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value if it wasn't currently
being watched.

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Nobody has the means to watch it
outside of a.

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Theater.
Exactly.

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So what are you gonna do?
You're just gonna trash it?

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So a lot of silent films have
been lost and maybe they live in

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some kind of like, you know,
attic in some, you know, So some

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of his films, like his best
known films, are not you can't

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watch.
That find them Can you find that

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one?
Do you think I.

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Think you might be able to find
it.

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Wow.
Yeah, you can see there are some

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that you can see I think one of
the ones that we'll talk about

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you can't you can't find it's
they don't have any.

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They might have like some some
shots, but like Charlie Chaplin

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is like a huge, you know, was a
huge star and you can see a lot

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of his films, but not all of
them.

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So it's definitely worth it.
They do in a lot of you know, if

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you're listening and you have
like a Symphony near you, they

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often will do live music to
these silent films and those are

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really.
Cool.

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That would be cool, yeah.
So it's like I said, it's 19214

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Horsemen of the Apocalypse drops
and these he's a star, but

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studio politics are brutal and
Metro Pictures who produces this

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movie underpays him and he
bounces between film jobs, legal

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battles and explosive romance
with costume designer Natasha

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Rambova.
Scandal follows.

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Their marriage is ruled invalid
because he was still legally

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married to another actress, Jean
Acker.

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Let's just say Valentino like
loved women and loved to marry

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them and sometimes would not.
Like in this point he was not

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legally divorced yet before he
married another woman so he

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becomes America's sweetheart and
it's tabloid person so it's like

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someone you love to watch but
also know he's a little fucked

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up.
Right.

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Well, and that little thing's
gonna make news.

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At 100% yes.
So just right after this movie

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he does the chic and in 1921 his
star skyrockets even more.

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Women swoon, men are angry and
and Valentino becomes the

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blueprint for cinematic
seduction.

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They view him as like the
romance lead, like we're

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talking, you know the smutty
book cover, you know of your

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dreams.
That's what he was.

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He even, he was like the first
man to to advertise for skin

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care and, and hair products
because people, anything he wore

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or did, people wanted to
replicate.

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So they used that And he, he was
the face of like a male skin

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care or male makeup brand, just
pretty wild.

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So he skyrockets once again.
He is constantly followed.

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Anytime he's going back to New
York, anything he does is, you

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know, captured.
There are pictures.

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There are, you know, different
newspaper articles.

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People want to know more and
more about him.

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And in 1925, Valentino is in San
Francisco for a break, a brief

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break, and he walks past a shop
window and sees a ring.

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It's a Tiger's eye ring.
It's like a thick men's tiger

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eye ring, which is like, brown.
It has, like, you know, kind of

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some black stripes in it.
Simple but striking.

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And he sees it.
He wants it.

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So he goes to the shopkeeper,
asks for the ring, and the

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shopkeeper refuses.
He says it's cursed.

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This is the Ring of Destiny, and
every owner who has had it has

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met misfortune.
It's, you know, it's the Ring of

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Destiny and I can't get, I can't
sell it to you.

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So what?
What do you do if someone tells

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you I can't buy it?
You're used to having

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everything.
Absolutely.

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You want it even.
More sell it to.

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Me, this is not and this is not
a ring that's like super, you

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know, it's not like a beautiful,
you know, Ruby ring, but.

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Can I also just say this doesn't
make any sense?

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Why would he have?
If he's not gonna sell it, why

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would he have it out?
I don't know.

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That's a great question.
I mean that that's part of it,

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right?
Like, is it just a story that

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he's telling Valentino to make
him pay more Pay Exactly.

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I mean, come on.
Like he's.

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Got to know who he is.
Oh, yeah, there's no way he

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can't now.
Although they had a lot of

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makeup on in like this silent
films.

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And so whether it's like, you
know, just makeup, like if you

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all the men had like green
lipstick on and the same thing

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with women because it was all
black and white.

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So you couldn't see anyone's
features.

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Even like when we record since
we do video, we put on a little

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bit more make up then we would
like no normally have and this

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is not black and white.
So they were like really packing

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it on so but is there?
Maybe he looks a little

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different.
Yeah, he could.

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He could.
But at the end of the day,

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Valentino buys the fucking ring
and he begins wearing the ring

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during public appearances and
later while filming the movie

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The The Son of the Chic, which
is, you know, kind of like in

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the next part.
Two.

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Yeah.
He he's he wears it in that

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movie.
He's all, he's on top of the

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world, you know, most highest
grossing actor at the time.

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And people are in love with him.
Every movie he's in, it sells

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out and it runs for a really
long time.

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So while he's, you know, filming
the Son of the Sheik and he

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starts going on these
appearances, you know, promoting

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the film, something shifts.
He's wearing the ring.

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And soon after he's actually, he
actually collapses in New York.

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And what ends up happening is he
gets emergency surgery.

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And he had, he had collapsed in
the Hotel Ambassador on Park

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Ave. in Manhattan.
And they bring him to the

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hospital.
Following an examination, he was

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actually diagnosed with
appendicitis and gastric ulcers.

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It kind of makes a lot of sense.
You know, you're stressed out.

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You're constantly, the filming
schedules are insane.

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He is constantly fighting with
studios behind the scenes trying

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to get more money, and they're
refusing.

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Of course you're going to get an
ulcer.

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You're stressed out.
So his condition actually

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wouldn't later be called
Valentino syndrome, perforated

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ulcers that look like
appendicitis.

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So there was more of an issue.
So after he has this surgery, he

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develops perionitis.
And perionitis is an

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inflammation of the inner wall
of your abdomen and like

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covering the abdominal organs.
So it's severe pain, swelling of

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the abdomen, fever and weight
loss.

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And of course, if they don't
know this is what's happening,

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they can't treat it.
So on August 18th, his doctors

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were super optimistic about, you
know, his prognosis.

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They went in, took care of what
they thought was the issue.

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And the media were told that
unless you know his, you know,

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condition deteriorates, then
they're not going to give any,

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any updates.
So his condition worsens on

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August 21st.
And he was, he has a huge

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relapse of this, you know,
abdominal swelling which

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developed rapidly into his left
lung.

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And so all this isn't like
multiple events, this is like

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all this is all from the first
event, right?

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Yes, Yeah.
So he goes into the he collapses

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on the 15th, Yeah, of August
1926.

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And then so.
He's in the hospital from that

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on, just getting worse.
Yes.

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And then the 21st he's it gets
it get really turns and he was

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strict stricken with a huge
relapse which develops rapidly

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into his left lung because he
has a weakened left lung.

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We find out and the doctors
actually realized that Valentino

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was going to die.
But at the time it was really

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common to choose to withhold
information from the patient.

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So he had no idea.
Oh.

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My God.
He thought he was going to

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recover.
Oh good God.

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So during the early hours of
Monday, August 23rd, Valentino

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was briefly conscious and
chatted with his doctors about

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his future, but soon lapsed into
a coma.

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Did you tell him about the
cursed ring?

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00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,560
No, they didn't tell him any.
I mean, you know, he was in and

450
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,360
out of consciousness at this
point because you know, he is he

451
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,200
it's going from one, the
infection's spreading and the

452
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,920
inflammation's spreading and
they don't know how to, you

453
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,200
know, how to help it.
And so rather than telling the

454
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:45,560
dude, hey, you know, you are
dying, he has no idea.

455
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,600
And he's talking about the
movies that he's gonna do.

456
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,040
And like all his future and his
future plans, he goes into a

457
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,960
coma and died a few hours later.
He was 31 years old.

458
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,960
Good Lord.
Yeah.

459
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,440
So following his death at, the
doctors who treated him later

460
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,640
confirmed that he had actually
contracted sepsis, an

461
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,360
overwhelming infection, this
inflammation that they were.

462
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,840
Seeing sepsis from the surgery.
Probably from the surgery.

463
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,520
And like, one thing led to
another.

464
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,440
They didn't catch it in time.
They didn't even, they didn't

465
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,000
even really treat the original
issue that he had correctly.

466
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,040
So, yeah, so his funeral, it
was, it's estimated 100,000

467
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,200
people lined the streets of
Manhattan to pay their respects.

468
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,360
And people actually committed
suicide.

469
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,200
Like fans who were so in love
with him committed suicide.

470
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,160
Yeah.
Windows were smashed as fans

471
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,480
tried to get in and into the
Funeral Home that his body had

472
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,680
laid and an all day riot erupted
on August 24th.

473
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,160
So over 100.
This was after his death, right

474
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,560
the day after.
Over 100 mounted officers and

475
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,280
NYPD police reserves were used
to restore order at the time.

476
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:06,800
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine being so in love

477
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:13,920
with an infatuated with a
perfect stranger that when they

478
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,960
die, you can't live?
I mean.

479
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,360
That's bonkers.
It's totally bonkers.

480
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,520
It's totally bonkers.
But you know what?

481
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,840
You have people who become so
infatuated with actors or even,

482
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,240
you know, anyone that they see
who is at all, you know, in the

483
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,560
spotlight, they in their own
brains come up with like this

484
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,800
false narrative or this false
relationship.

485
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640
I mean, you hear about it all
the time, stalkers, right?

486
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,560
And he was really like the
first, like massive fandom.

487
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,240
He was like fanned.
He was what fandom, you know,

488
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,240
grew from Yeah.
He like people were obsessed

489
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,680
with him, could not stop
following him and probably

490
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,360
believed that they were going to
be with him in some way.

491
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:00,600
My.
God.

492
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,080
Isn't that wild nuts?
So, you know, people committed

493
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,720
suicide.
There were riots and there was

494
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,040
actually, you know, like people
could go and view him and they

495
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,360
had to have the NYPD, like,
lined as people were were coming

496
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,160
up to him.
Now, once again, anytime his

497
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,640
name was at all mentioned, you
know, people paid attention.

498
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,200
And this guy was a womanizer.
I mean, he loved the ladies.

499
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,720
Maybe he wasn't a womanizer.
Maybe he just really, really

500
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,520
enjoyed women.
So one of the women that he

501
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,680
enjoyed was Pola Negrim.
She was a Polish actress, and

502
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,000
she claimed to be his fiance
because him and his.

503
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,040
Yeah.
So she actually collapsed.

504
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,400
Yeah, maybe.
Who knows?

505
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,480
She collapsed in hysterics while
she was standing over over the

506
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,560
coffin.
There are reporters around at

507
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,720
all times like watching this.
And she also hired 4 actors to

508
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,920
impersonate mourners and stuff.
And wait, there were there

509
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,920
actresses hired to mourn?
OK, have you ever there's like

510
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,640
this episode of like there?
This is a real thing.

511
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,240
Hold on, there's so many.
Wait, why would you need to do

512
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,520
that when there were thousands
of mourners?

513
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,480
I mean, I don't know, like so
there was OK, so there was one

514
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,000
OK.
Campbell hired 4 actor actors to

515
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,040
impersonate a fastest black
shirt honor guard which was

516
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,360
supposed to be sent by a Benito
Mussolini, who was Italian.

517
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Why?
You know, this is like the all

518
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,920
the world's a stage and his
fucking funeral was a huge stage

519
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,720
at the time.
He was the biggest actor.

520
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320
If you wanted to make any kind
of like a statement, you make it

521
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,040
there because it was being
covered.

522
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320
The whole it was this was top
news.

523
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,320
This was World News, which is
wild, wild.

524
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,680
And actually people said that
the body on display in the main

525
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,800
salon of the Funeral Home was
actually not Valentino, but it

526
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,080
was a decoy and that his actual
body was not was not that it was

527
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,920
not being seen.
This was denied, of course.

528
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,000
But come on.
Like I probably would put a fake

529
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,200
body or like, you know, a body
that looked like his in there

530
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,800
just in case people did some
weird shit and like took a

531
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,040
finger off or something.
So, you know, he, his remains

532
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,280
were taken to from New York to
California, California.

533
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,320
And you can see his his crypt in
Hollywood, the Hollywood Forever

534
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Cemetery cemetery as far as like
where his money went.

535
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,040
He left it to his brother and
sister and his Natasha Rambova's

536
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,160
aunt, which, you know, was it's
all questionable.

537
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,720
OK, I'm going to get back to the
fucking ring because this dude

538
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,200
had the ring on when he died.
Now who does the ring go to?

539
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,000
His brother.
Potentially, yeah.

540
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Or maybe his current wife,
Natasha.

541
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Natasha Rambova.
So after the ring, it does not

542
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,880
die with him, does not go into
his into his casket.

543
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,000
We're going to follow the trail
of where it goes.

544
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Pola Negri, Remember that woman
who was like the Polish actress

545
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,200
who like throws herself onto
his, you know, coffin and she's

546
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,360
the.
One with the fiance,

547
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,120
potentially.
Yes, and then she she even like

548
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,320
gets all of these, these flowers
that have like her name written.

549
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,440
It's so it's like it's a pola,
you know, and it's I mean, come

550
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,040
on, it's like it's totally like
fame whores, you know, fame hoes

551
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,520
like everyone's just like
coming.

552
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,840
So she gets ends up getting the
ring.

553
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720
His rumoured fiance.
She wears the ring at his

554
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,200
funeral and soon after she
collapses from an illness.

555
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,360
What exactly that illness is, we
don't know.

556
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440
Her career stalls.
No.

557
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Is it due to the ring?
I don't know.

558
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,960
But the next person to get it is
Russ Columbo.

559
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,640
He's actually cast to play
Valentino in a biopic.

560
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,040
He inherits the ring from
Natasha.

561
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Oh, you're going to play
Valentino?

562
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,520
This is a rule.
Here's his ring.

563
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,560
You know, you can kind of get to
know him a little bit more.

564
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,960
He actually dies days later
after receiving the ring in a

565
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,560
freak accident, a freak shooting
accident.

566
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,840
He was with his friend and his
friend's like, oh, look at this

567
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,680
like pistol and.
He's an actor.

568
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,800
He's an actor.
He's the one the the friend's

569
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,240
the an actor.
But Russ Columbo, who's cast to

570
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,920
play Valentino, OK, has the
ring.

571
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,600
You know, he's he owns the ring
at this point and just goes over

572
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,520
to his friend's house.
He looks a lot like Valentino,

573
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560
which is why he's cast to play
him.

574
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,320
Gotcha.
And people kind of start

575
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,160
following him because he looks a
lot like Valentino, you know,

576
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Poland Negri kind of falls in
love with a lot of people who

577
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,320
were with Valentino falls in
love with him because.

578
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,200
He's kind of the replacement,
yeah.

579
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,280
Exactly, exactly.
He's he's the he's the generic

580
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080
version of Valentino.
So he goes over to his friend's

581
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,800
house.
They have a couple cocktails,

582
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,720
you know, some some lunch and
he's like, hey, let me show you

583
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,480
this cool gun I have.
The friend pulls out the gun is

584
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,520
like showing him somehow the
triggers released and the bullet

585
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,840
hits the wall behind Russ,
ricochets, and then goes right

586
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,680
through Russ's eyeball, kills
him, he's dead.

587
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,600
He dies.
He dies about six days later in

588
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360
a hospital.
Total freak accident.

589
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880
It does not even hit him
initially.

590
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,560
It hits the wall, ricochets and
then hits him, hits him.

591
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,440
Wow.
And it doesn't.

592
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840
It doesn't hit him in a place
that it hits him in a fatal

593
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,840
area.
Right, right, right.

594
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,840
What are the fucking odds of
that?

595
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Yeah, astronomical, I would
think.

596
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,000
I would think so too.
So it's like, OK, maybe there is

597
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,920
a curse, A little known fact
about Russ Columbo.

598
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,560
His brother and sister totally
lie to their mom and pretend

599
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,880
like Russ is still alive for the
next 10 years until she dies. 10

600
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,200
years.
Yeah.

601
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Hold on.
OK, that doesn't.

602
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,480
That's weird.
So she doesn't speak to him.

603
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720
She doesn't see him.
Like what?

604
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,440
How would you do that?
If she's so close, they don't

605
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,240
want to destroy her life by
telling him that she's dead, but

606
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,520
yet she can go with 10 years
without speaking or seeing him.

607
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,960
That's.
Freaking weird.

608
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,960
Right.
Right.

609
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Well, so he was also a singer.
He was like an operatic singer.

610
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,200
And so they use old and he had a
radio show at the time, so they

611
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,080
use old versions of it and play
it for her to like, oh, this is

612
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,520
his, you know, you just can't
get it.

613
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Yeah, this is this is his new
song.

614
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,600
It was not.
It was not.

615
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,440
And they wrote as as if they
were him.

616
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,840
Oh, he's just really, really
busy.

617
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,680
And why did they you think they
did this?

618
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Because they didn't want her to.
She had just suffered like a

619
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,560
heart attack.
Oh, OK, they didn't want to

620
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,800
upset.
Her they didn't want to upset

621
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,840
her, so they they did not want
to upset her for 10 fucking

622
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,640
years.
Good God Almighty.

623
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,760
One would think that you would
potentially people.

624
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,280
I know it's wild.
So he ends up dying.

625
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Freak accident.
Now the next person to receive

626
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,720
it is a man called Joe Del
Casino.

627
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480
So Russ Columbo had been killed
in the accident.

628
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,360
His cousin actually passed the
ring on to Russ's best friend.

629
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,440
OK so our friend who had the
crazy ass like shooting incident

630
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Russ had a best friend named Joe
Casino.

631
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Joe Casino was the one to
receive Rudolph Valentino's ring

632
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,800
and he was also at the height of
his popularity as an

633
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,400
entertainer.
So Casino knew that there there

634
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,200
was some kind of curse connected
to it.

635
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Rudolf Valentino passed away
randomly from owning the ring.

636
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,640
His best friend passed away from
a fucking freak accident,

637
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,680
ricocheted bullet, and then
Casino then owns it.

638
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Instead of wearing the ring.
He actually kept it in a glass

639
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,080
case in memory of his friend
Russ, who had passed away.

640
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,360
When he was asked to donate the
ring to a Museum of Valentino

641
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,800
relics, he actually refused.
He's like, sorry, I would love

642
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,280
to, but this reminds me of my
friend who passed away.

643
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,080
And he treasured it for
sentimental reasons.

644
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,120
As time passed, Joe kind of
forgot about the reputation the

645
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,760
ring had as far as a curse goes.
And he puts it on.

646
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,320
It's like, oh, you know, maybe
he's having a moment where he's

647
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,520
remembering his friend Russ.
And it's like, well, nothing's

648
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,679
happened.
I've owned this ring for a

649
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,560
while.
I'm going to wear it.

650
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,760
I'm going to wear it.
I treasure my friend, and I want

651
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,120
to start wearing it.
So he puts it on, and a week

652
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,920
later, still wearing the ring,
he was knocked down by a truck

653
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,480
and killed.
OK.

654
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,719
My God.
Yeah, so by now this ring is

655
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,480
creating a fucking reputation.
It's front page news.

656
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,639
We have Valentino, who was
warned before he even bought the

657
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:40,920
ring.
You don't want to buy it.

658
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
It's it's going to cause like,
you're going to die.

659
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,159
Like the This is the Ring of
Destiny.

660
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Right.
What happens he they think he

661
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,199
has appendicitis.
He ends up getting fucking

662
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,199
sepsis and dies.
Doesn't even know he's dying and

663
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,159
ends up dying in the hospital.
It's passed on to another actor.

664
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:00,240
The actor ends up dying from a
freak shooting accident.

665
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,360
His friend finally decides to
put on the ring.

666
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,960
A week later is hit by a truck
and killed.

667
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,480
I'm dying to know where this
ring came comes from.

668
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:13,920
Yeah.
Does anybody know?

669
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,480
There are so many theories, you
never know what the actual, you

670
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,480
know what the real thing is, but
wow.

671
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,320
And so now, now who has the
ring?

672
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,320
Well, so like I said, this ring
is now becoming infamous.

673
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,760
Yeah, it is front page news.
And people start, you know,

674
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,520
thinking like, well, maybe there
is some kind of curse to this

675
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,640
because this is fucking crazy.
Now, Joe, excuse me, Joe Casino,

676
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,240
who who was hit by a car that
had the ring on his brother gets

677
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,160
the ring and he explained that
he could not allow himself.

678
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,560
He's like, I don't believe in
curses.

679
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,880
I'm not going to believe in a
curse.

680
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480
I'm not going to be intimidated
by a curse or a ghost or

681
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,040
whatever where the hell this is.
So he actually wore the ring for

682
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,440
a while and nothing really
happened to it to him.

683
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Like he would wear it.
He didn't have any.

684
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,720
Like he didn't die, nothing
weird happened to him.

685
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,920
But he then lends it to a
collector of Valentino relics

686
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,720
who also does not suffer any
ill.

687
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,600
You know the situations he does
not die, he does not get sick.

688
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,280
Nothing happens.
So this caused you once again,

689
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,360
this is front page news like
this ring.

690
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560
People are asking about it.
The news newspapers are starting

691
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,760
to speculate that the evil that
the last evil influence of the

692
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,120
ring had come to an end and that
it seems like it was enough to

693
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,520
trigger a new and that like just
saying, hey, there is no more.

694
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,440
There's no more curse.
Perhaps that's what actually

695
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,640
caused this curse to come back.
Wait.

696
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,280
People are paying attention to
it.

697
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,920
There's no curse.
When did it come back?

698
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,240
Well, I'll tell you so one night
soon after, you know, everyone's

699
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,320
saying this is no longer a
cursed ring at the home of Joe's

700
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,760
brother.
It was like his his house was

701
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
burglarized.
The burglar was a man named

702
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,560
James Willis who was seen by the
police running from a scene and

703
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,960
the policeman actually fired a
warning shot.

704
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,400
But the bullet went too low and
killed him, killed the burglar.

705
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Among the loot that was found in
his possession was Valentino's

706
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,160
curse ring.
OK.

707
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,080
Yeah, OK.
So around that same time,

708
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,440
Hollywood producer Edward Small
decided to make a film based on

709
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,280
Valentino's career, and he was
only 21 years old.

710
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,280
There was actually the guy who
was Jack Dunn.

711
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:40,360
He was, he was in the in the
movie, he wore the ring at only

712
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,320
21 years old.
Dunn died 10 days later from a

713
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,400
rare blood disease, a very rare
blood disease he put on the ring

714
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,880
was in this movie and he dies of
blood disease 10 days later

715
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,120
after wearing that.
So after Jack Dunn's death,

716
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,160
there was a raid because this
fucking ring is killing so many

717
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,600
people, they decide to put it
into a bank in a bank vault.

718
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960
No one's going to wear it.
It's going to live in a

719
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,560
security, in a security box.
We're not going to touch it.

720
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,120
There was a raid that was done
at the said bank.

721
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,480
Like a burglary.
It was a yeah, a burglary.

722
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,120
It was like a raid.
Yeah, like someone's robbing a

723
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,840
bank.
Yes.

724
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,880
OK.
So in broad daylight in LA,

725
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,600
there were thieves that got away
with a haul of over $200,000 OK

726
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,320
In a police ambush shortly
after, two of the gang members

727
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,280
were caught and three passerby's
were injured.

728
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,320
The bank robbers leader was
Alfred Hahn, who was jailed for

729
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,240
life and at the at the trial
Hahn remarked.

730
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:49,120
If I had known what was in the
vault, apart from money, I'd

731
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,200
have picked myself another bank,
he says.

732
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,240
The reason that people had died
was because in the bank safe

733
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,880
deposit box was the ring.
His, yeah, his ring.

734
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:08,480
So the executors of Del Casino,
Joe Casino's brother, have owned

735
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,520
the ring for years at this point
and it had been under lock and

736
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,000
key and has not seen the light
of day for years.

737
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,120
You mean executors?
Executors of it, yeah, Yeah,

738
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,520
yes.
So what did I say?

739
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Executors.
Executors.

740
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Sorry.
Executors of the estate, yes.

741
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,360
So it's not seen the light of
day and the bank now kind of

742
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,920
forgets that it even exists.
And since 1960, there's been

743
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,320
$50,000 in a robbery that has
happened there, a fire and a

744
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,440
three-week strike of cashiers.
So could that be aligned with

745
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,520
with the curse?
I don't know.

746
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,600
And.
I so OK, I think some of this

747
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,560
chalks up to you see what you
want to see totaling kind of

748
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,800
stuff.
I mean because this these kinds

749
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,840
of things happen in life, so
like I would have been all on

750
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,600
board of this truly being cursed
if it would have happened from

751
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,960
beginning to end, but the fact
that two people in between had

752
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,120
no impact from it puts
significant doubt in my mind.

753
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,760
Right.
Like, you know, now we're

754
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,240
talking about a ring.
People have owned it.

755
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,920
What kind of energy are they
putting towards the belief?

756
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Of occurs if.
You don't believe in it, then

757
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,480
maybe it's not going to affect
Joe.

758
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Right.
But there were some people that

759
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,560
didn't even know about it
either.

760
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Right, right.
Like the bank robbers, they

761
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:36,440
didn't know that they had had or
yeah, it's, it's, I mean, it's

762
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,400
really weird.
There's this this ring has also

763
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,120
gone out on like, museum tours.
So like, it might be released

764
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,560
for, you know.
Oh, here are some of Rudolph

765
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,720
Valentino's things.
One of the one of them there was

766
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,320
an unnamed thief who actually
tries to steal it from a museum

767
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,520
display and he falls down a
flight of stairs and dies with

768
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,240
the fucking ring in his hand.
Right.

769
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,320
So it's like he probably knew
about the the.

770
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,840
Ring being.
Cursed.

771
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Now, you know, it's really a
question.

772
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,600
It was like, is this a
superstition or is it a pattern?

773
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Yeah, maybe it's, you know,
maybe it's not just like bound

774
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,960
to misfortune, but really to
those who are trying to imitate,

775
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,600
possess, you know, Valentino
himself.

776
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:22,280
Who knows?
Wow, fascinating.

777
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,400
Which kind of it kind of brings
you back to this idea of like,

778
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,360
what is a curse?
Is it an evil force?

779
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,560
Is it a psychic, you know,
imprint?

780
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,400
Is it a story that is so
powerful that it really creates

781
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,240
its own fate?
Right.

782
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Is the seed that's planted in
your brain that because we said

783
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,640
before that you know how when
you what do they call those

784
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,080
dream boards?
Like when you what do they call

785
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,280
those when you like you create a
board, vision board.

786
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,400
Vision board, Yeah.
That is nothing more than

787
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,680
thoughts, right?
Energy of thoughts and people

788
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680
swear by them and that you know,
if they put that energy out

789
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,000
there, that you know, if you,
you focus on something and you

790
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,840
say, I don't know, this is my
goal in life.

791
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,160
And you just put your energy and
focus on it.

792
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,080
Many times it will come to
reality because that's where

793
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,480
you're putting your energy.
This could very well be the same

794
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,560
thing.
The fact that you put the seed

795
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,720
of.
Intention.

796
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:22,200
Curse you and so now that
exactly that intention is just

797
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,680
running through your brain and
subconsciously you're.

798
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Yeah, you're kind of, you're
interacting with that.

799
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,960
Yeah, with that energy.
Well, like, even across

800
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,280
cultures, we've talked about it,
right?

801
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Like cursed objects are said to
carry memory, right?

802
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,240
Ancient Egypt, you have the
mummy's curse, you know, in

803
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,040
Europe you have relics of the
dead, blood soaked armor, you

804
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,080
know, haunted heirlooms.
These objects all hold exactly

805
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,720
what you're talking about.
Emotion, energy, jealousy,

806
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,920
violence, longing.
And maybe they don't forget

807
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,800
that.
So a curse might not just be a

808
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,000
hex, it could be a warning, a
mirror, a thing too beautiful,

809
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,360
too perfect that devours
everything that tries to claim

810
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,720
it.
That ring, maybe it wasn't even

811
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
cursed by or witch or warlock.
Maybe it was really cursed by

812
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560
grief.
Remember, we had over 100,000

813
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,200
mourners who mourned the death
of Valentino.

814
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:20,160
People committed, you know, And
that grief, the entrapment, his

815
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,000
own longing to be free, he had
no idea who was even dying to

816
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,040
begin with.
Perhaps that had something to do

817
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,960
with it.
So, you know, really, Rudolph

818
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,560
Valentino was the first
cinematic supernova.

819
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,280
He was burning bright and way
too brief, right?

820
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,800
He died on top of the world as
far as stardom was concerned,

821
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,720
right?
And his legacy was immortal.

822
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,960
But that ring it still, we don't
really know where it is.

823
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,800
It remains missing.
Really.

824
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,040
Yeah.
So the last we heard was the guy

825
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,040
that fell down the stairs with
it.

826
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,800
Is this the last we know of it?
That's kind of the last we know

827
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,120
of it.
It really kind of disappears.

828
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,600
We don't really even know who
who owns it, who has, you know,

829
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,160
who has it.
If it's come like it'll randomly

830
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,080
sometimes reappear for like a
museum display or something, But

831
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,240
it's not really taken out.
It's somewhere people assume in

832
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,720
some bank in Los Angeles just
sitting around.

833
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,680
But here's another thing.
It could, people could be still

834
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,560
wearing it and just not talking
about not giving that energy to

835
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,800
it, right?
Not treating it as if it's a

836
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,960
cursed object, right?
Like I said, it's not like this

837
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,920
beautiful, amazing ring.
Yeah, exactly.

838
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,200
It's not incredible, probably
like pressure, like tigers eye

839
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,600
is cool, but it's not it's not
like a the hope diamond that's

840
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,760
like, you know, blinging and
stuff.

841
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,840
So, yeah, I mean, it could just
be remaining, remaining in a

842
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,200
bank vault, waiting and
watching.

843
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Would you wear it?
I'm.

844
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,440
Watching you, you know, probably
not.

845
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,720
No, because I I'm one of those
people.

846
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,080
Like, do I believe it?
I am Probably not.

847
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,440
Why would I take the chance?
I know, yeah.

848
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,400
And the fact that I'm thinking
about it, am I, am I putting

849
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,720
that energy out there?
Like, yeah, probably.

850
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,840
Should, but it could be enough
to, yeah.

851
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,920
So to trigger whatever is
attached to it and.

852
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,240
This daddy won't be wearing
that.

853
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,600
OK.
And so, so we so we think that

854
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,200
potentially there is a curse.
We potentially are open to it.

855
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,560
I guess I, I guess the answer is
yes, yeah.

856
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,960
If I can't, if I can't flat out
deny and say that thing isn't

857
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,840
real, then yeah, I guess I'm
saying that's, I guess it's

858
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,600
plausible.
I mean, there are too many

859
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,280
instances of shit that does not
make any sense.

860
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Here, yeah, it's, it's kind of,
it becomes that there's no such

861
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,840
thing as coincidence.
Kind of it's a pattern thing.

862
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,800
Yeah, there's a distinct pattern
that's happening.

863
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,800
And I know we also say you know
you, you see things you want to

864
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,880
see and you can put pattern
where you want to put pattern.

865
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,720
But again.
It's one of those.

866
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,760
Maybe you're not SO.
Totally.

867
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,000
I know, I mean, I guess the
whole idea of cursed objects, I

868
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,200
thought it was kind of bullshit
before I started writing this

869
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,120
episode.
And I'm like, I don't know,

870
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,280
there are a couple of like freak
accidents here that just make no

871
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,920
sense.
Like maybe there is something to

872
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:05,040
a curse, but but it was kind of
a fun one to talk about and.

873
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,960
It is, yeah.
And there were so many cursed

874
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,080
objects to go through and to
potentially.

875
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,480
You know when we talked about
flight 4 O 7 and how those

876
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,240
objects literally had, well,
ghosts?

877
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,880
Yeah, energy contains energy.
So what?

878
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,560
Is this the same thing?
Could be, could be, you know, I

879
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,520
don't know.
We found that plausible.

880
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,960
We told when we were listening
to that story, so.

881
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,760
Why couldn't?
Why?

882
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,600
Couldn't this be?
Yeah, and you know, I think if,

883
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,280
if, if there's anything that's
plausible, the one thing that

884
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,600
we've learned at the bizarre F
is like, there's so much shit we

885
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,360
don't know and we can't explain.
So why, why not just throw a

886
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,920
fucking tigers eye, you know,
cursed, you know, object into

887
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,160
it, into the mix.
Go ahead, add it to the top of

888
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,120
the the pile, you know, but you
know, one thing I just wanted to

889
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,760
bring up was, you know, if you
guys are listening to the

890
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,240
episode and you enjoyed it, you
know, go ahead and listen, share

891
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:05,840
it with someone who loves cursed
objects or golden age scandal,

892
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Hollywood golden age scandals or
even, you know, beautiful ghosts

893
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,320
like, you know, Valentine.
Tell us about if you've ever

894
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,440
seen a cursed object 100% been
involved or heard about it, or

895
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,360
I'd like to hear some other
stories about it.

896
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,320
Yes, same.
And you know, remember,

897
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,960
sometimes beauty isn't just skin
deep, it's soul deep.

898
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,200
And some things want to take
yours with them, Bum.

899
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,720
Bum nice, nice ending to the
show.

900
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Your soul will be ours.
Yeah, all.

901
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,880
Right.
Well, thanks guys.

902
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Well, thanks for thanks for the
great episode.

903
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Appreciate.
All right, we'll see you next

904
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,200
week.
Yes.

905
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,600
OK, bye.