Communicating with the Sprits

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Ahoy and a spirited.
Hello.

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Welcome to our kooky town.
The bizarre AF, I am your host

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Alicia and I am with here with
here here with my host.

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My co-host at the most Kevin,
how are you?

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Boo hoo hoo Honey.
Hi girl, you're looking awfully

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spooky today, X.
Okay.

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So, so who is this?
Who is this guy that you are?

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He I don't know his name but he
is Dead.

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Oh yes.
He's very dead kind of demonic

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to its yeah, he's not real.
Super happy like about us live

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or not.
A pleasant person is wearing

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Rags.
He has really long hair.

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I don't know how he manages
that.

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Yeah, it just it just never gray
hair fell out and never fell

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out.
Ever fell out.

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Lips are a little dry.
Yes, slightly dry, huh?

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Look a little tired.
It's like yeah.

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You have bags?
Bags and really dark circles,

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dark slacks.
Yeah, Chuckles.

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Uh-huh.
And just kind of like haunting

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the world.
I'm not wanting necessarily, but

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just exploring and trying to
engage.

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Yeah, some people, but mostly
just, you know, observing?

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Yeah, yeah.
Okay.

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Checking out the world.
Gotcha.

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Okay, just I'm just, I'm just a
world traveler.

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Well, I, what do you?
You look great, too.

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What are you up to?
What are you, what?

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What are you doing?
You know what?

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I am Madam Alicia and I'm here
to read your cards and the Ouija

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board.
I thought that since we're

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talking about spirited
communication today, I thought,

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hey, why not be a medium, you
know, it's so Perfection.

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And let me just tell you that
right now, I love it.

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I'm kind of digging this.
And actually, all of this is

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from my normal wardrobe.
Oh my God, isn't that funny?

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Like, I've worn this.
Like, you have that in your

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closet.
I have this in my closet and

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I've worn it out multiple times.
Same thing with the jewelry and

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stuff.
So I guess I'm not too far off

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and we have a special guest.
What we do we do, we have our

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special guest over here.
His name is a mr.

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It alive, mr.
Berry it alive.

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Hey Barry.
How you doing?

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Barry, Barry.
Can you speak up?

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Okay, sure.
I think you put too much stuff

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in this cocktail.
I mean, I know we had to chain

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him down because he was a little
out of control was a little bit

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out of control.
I did give him some absinthe and

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you know what?
That can do to your brain.

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Great.
So now he's just going to be a

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zombie.
This whole show, I'll bury.

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I'm sorry.
I'm going to kind of really

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sorry, not sorry, because you're
kind of a dick earlier.

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I was well maybe we'll come back
to him.

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Definitely.
We'll see how you come so long.

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Later, I think you look great.
Thanks, I love it and I'm super

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excited to do.
Today's episode.

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And before we start, yes, okay,
just like any other episode?

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I ask that you guys keep an open
mind, a skeptical ear, but keep

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on listening to the facts.
As we take you on our newest

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Journey.
Yes, which is spirit

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communication or spirited
communication are talking with

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the spirits.
That's what we're Talking about

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today, this is actually one a
topic that we both decided would

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be really fun to talk about
during this spooky season.

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So I so we're both going to take
turns in discussing different

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types of of spirit communication
that we've actually had past

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experiences with.
So the types that we're

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discussing our the Ouija board
tarot cards automatic writing

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and let's see mediums.
Yeah.

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The ways that mediums
communicate, lots of ways to

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communicate with.
Now when their energy is

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exactly.
Totally.

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And there's more than what we're
discussing.

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Yeah, sure.
So yeah, ultimately, you know,

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this world that we live in, has
more questions than it has

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answers.
And though that's typical for

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many of the topics that we do
discuss here.

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I think that this is a topic
that we can confidently, say we

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have less explanations than
usual.

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Exactly.
And I'm gonna start off by By

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saying that.
I am five fully believe in all

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of this.
Yes, I don't think any of it is

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fixed unlike.
So if you guys listen to our

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previous episode of Dia
conspiracies, there was things

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in there that I'm like, be us
totally.

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Yeah, it's funny to me, actually
that you're like, okay, I'm so

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on board, I mean, it's good it's
a good thing because you were

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like this conspiracy theories
ball bullshit but this Like, oh

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yeah. - so that wasn't, that
wasn't percent into it and I'll

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say, you know, as well, I do
believe that there is something

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more.
I can't put my finger on it, but

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all I'm I'm gonna, you know, try
to play a little bit more

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Devil's Advocate.
So we have supposed that is our

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job, right?
Yeah, that's in the bazaar.

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If that's what you have to do.
So, you know, ultimately, we

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we've all heard of, you know,
these different forms of ghostly

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climate communication.
I have one here which is the we

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Aboard.
I actually have the Ouija board

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here.
Let's see what's try this?

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We can kind of, we got, yeah,
you can see it here.

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So, it's a form of communication
that I wanted to share with you.

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Now, the board in front of me,
has a brand name, which is the

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Ouija board and what these were
originally called were Spirit

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boards, or talking boards.
And the boards were originally

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thought of as your
run-of-the-mill board game, you

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know, like Chutes and Ladders or
The Game of Life gaming would Go

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with your family after church on
Sunday and play, which is kind

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of hard to believe, right.
Let's go talk to Spirit, so it

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don't interrupt, but you know,
is we G is a weijia or however

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you say that is that a brand?
Is that what does that word,

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your?
And it's a brand named.

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So it's a brand of and, and, you
know, you can look and people

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have a gazillion different ways
or reasons that it's called.

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Weijia a Spirit came in and told
the person, this is what it

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should be or it stands every
single letter.

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Stands for a different.
You know, it's an acronym for

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something.
Ultimately, it's just, it's a

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brand name.
So we have other, we do have

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other Spirit or talking boards.
We Cho was really the one that

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kind of took off and I'll talk a
little bit more about the okay.

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So okay.
So like I said, it was basically

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a board game and it was just a
fun Pastime, people didn't

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really take it seriously.
It's kind of like, you know, the

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cootie catchers were you'd ask
like, you know, pick a color,

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you know, whatever that kind of
Stuff.

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It didn't catch on my God.
I haven't heard that word.

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And everybody know what that is.
That's when you do that choose a

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color.
Then you spell the color out

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Souza choose a number.
It did.

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Yeah, exactly.
When you open it up and then

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yeah we got Magic 8-Ball that's
like that's kind of like the

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idea of the Ouija board like
people just did it for fun so it

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didn't have those spooky
connotations that I had straight

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was just a fun thing.
So there have been some I'm of

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talking boards since 1100 ad and
China.

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So like it was called actually
Fuji which meant planchette

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writing, it's the same idea so
it was used to speak with the

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dead necromancy really?
So I'm talking with the dead

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using planchette and it had
incredibly specific rules.

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You had to be rituals
regulations, you had to be

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trained in it.
Not everyone could do.

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Do it and it was really actually
outlawed in China under the Qing

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Qing Dynasty.
So ultimately it has a history,

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the Ouija board, or some form of
the Ouija board.

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So let's just get back to the
talking board that we know of

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today.
This guy they were really very

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popular began to gain momentum
with the spiritualist movement

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and practitioners in the 1890s
were using these talking boards

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as a means of Haitian.
Have you heard of spiritualism?

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Kevin?
Spiritualism yeah.

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It was like a movement.
Have you heard of it

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spiritualism?
I don't know.

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Maybe.
I feel like I have heard the

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word but maybe I don't know
exactly where it originated or

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what its main true meaning is
maybe.

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Yeah, it was totally a.
It I'm gonna be honest I think

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that we're going to discuss it
and deep dive into spiritualism

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on a on a future podcast K of
the bizarre EF really, it's

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strange and I could talk about
It we could talk about it for

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hours, but that's not this
episode so quickly.

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I feel like when people say,
what do you believe in?

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Yes, I go.
I normally would say

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Spiritualism, as opposed to God,
or what are true.

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I'm spiritual.
Yeah.

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Is that kind of what that comes
from kind of?

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I think that, if you ask someone
who was into spiritualism back

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in the 1890s, I think that you
would have these folks would say

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yes, I am a spiritual person,
they're not they're not

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prescribing necessarily to
specific brand of Christianity

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or Catholicism or you know you
name Protestant whatever the

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whatever the topic is.
It's more of a, there's more

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here, right?
Huh?

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And they had like specific
things that they it was I'll

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tell you, okay.
So ultimately the movement was

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very popular on the time that
these board games came out and

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it was really a religious or
belief system that put a lot of

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importance in the direct
communication with Spirits,

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like, in spirits of the dead.
So it was like, okay, we can

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talk to the, let's talk to the
dead and ask them questions, so

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that I must have rapidly become
very like Satanism, which, which

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critten bad, you would think so,
right, because that's how we

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know it not necessarily.
Okay.

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Yeah.
So it was like, it was almost

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like, you know, how we had
pseudo-sciences and stuff.

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Like, okay, we have pendulums,
we have these ways or means of

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communicating with the dead
people always kind of believed

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in them.
Anyway, the thought really was

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that the dead could help those
living and that the living could

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also help the dead of Olives.
But in order To do that, they

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needed.
A means to talk.

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So how are we going to
communicate with each other?

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Right q, and these talking
boards, huh?

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Our spirit boards, the movement,
you know, takes a shining to

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these boards, the Ouija board
and and like all American

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Dreams, you know, a business
person sees a gap in the market

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and it really means dollar sign.
So he sees their people.

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It's really, really popular
movement.

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People are really into talking
with the dead.

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Yeah, I can make a couple bucks
off of it so I'm going to do it.

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That's where this Ouija board
came from.

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So, okay between the religious
movement and the distribution of

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the board's again to ton of
popularity even featuring in a

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Norman Rockwell realist,
raishin.

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And then in May of 1920, there
is an edition of the Saturday

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evening post, and it has a man
and a woman playing a Ouija

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board and we'll have the
pictures and actually an article

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that I had read on the Saturday
evening post, which actually is

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still around and it's a website
now.

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But you know, Norman Rockwell
Americana.

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Yeah 1920 had a picture of
indigo Ouija board, which aboard

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people playing the Ouija board.
Wow.

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So which is pretty crazy.
One of my favorite actually bad

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move 1980s.
Movies was movie series called

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the witchboard?
Have you heard of that one?

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I haven't know it.
I have 80s.

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You're an 80s expert.
Yes.

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So I can't believe I haven't
heard that.

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Well, I do.
And then show notes I have A

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link to the trailer and I know
awful and good.

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Yeah.
So you can, we can watch the

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trailer.
Okay.

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Check it out.
Have you?

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So you know, we're talking a
little bit about the history of

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the Ouija board.
Have you ever had an experience?

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So I have Here's the problem.
So yes, I've used a Ouija board.

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Yes.
I never knew or know if it's

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legit.
Like, I know that, I don't move

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it right, but I never know if
someone else is like, literally,

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like effing with me, right?
You know what I mean?

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Because you're typically
touching the board with other

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people, right?
Yes, exactly.

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We're all kind of lightly
touching the planchette and

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chat.
Thank U.

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Planchette planchette.
Okay?

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Yes.
And so everyone will slightly

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Touch this board, the planchette
for those that don't know, which

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I'm demonstrating on the video
and by the nature of everyone's

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energy, right?
Touching this.

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Planchette it will your spirit
the spirits that you're speaking

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with can communicate?
Yes.

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And so, as I mentioned, I never
know.

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If somebody I've never been
convinced that somebody else

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that I've been doing that with
isn't literally Pushing the

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board pushing it, huh?
So so to answer your question.

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Yes I've used it.
I don't know for certain if I've

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actually communicated with a
spirit that way.

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Okay.
Do you want to use it?

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Now, I'm kidding.
We're just sitting here.

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The rest of us would be like so
bored.

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They be so bored.
I mean, I'm going to get into a

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little bit more of the
psychology behind potentially

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the psychology behind it.
Aboard.

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But yeah, I've had multiple
experiences as well and I don't

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really know what to think of it.
I've had some things that have

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come up, that I can't explain,
okay, which I'll briefly touch

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on little bit later, but this
board in front of me.

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It's actually, you know, It's
was bought at a big box store.

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Uh-huh.
It's really a piece of cardboard

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with a sticker on it and there
isn't that just it that this has

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nothing to do with anything.
It's just it's emits a tool, the

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tool or a means for
communication.

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Yes, the idea, right?
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I mean ultimately this
planchette, you know, has that

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little the little window in
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So you can kind of see the
letters that are that it's

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pointing to.
So there's no question about You

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know what the letter is that
you're doing and, you know, like

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you were saying, the idea is
that you can concentrate

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communicate with those from the
great beyond.

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And if you were like me at a
sleepover party, you would ask

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about, oh, what is my grade
gonna be at the end?

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Yeah, right.
Because Bobby, like me, which am

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I ever going to meet in sync?
My true love's.

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That's so, if we go Gregg, have
a bigger penis.

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Does Greg have a big penis does
Greg like me?

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Well, Greg never mind.
If we go by the idea of the

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spiritualist movement, we would
be speaking with the dead by

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maybe helping them or God
forbid, them, helping us to

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understand what happened life
and like what happens

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afterwards.
This is something I really don't

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have any issues with, but it's
the scary stories and the tales

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of boards coming back after
they've been fucking burned or

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whatever that scares the shit
out of me, you know?

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Oh, okay.
Yeah, because that's a whole

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nother really different one.
Yeah, yeah, that's something

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else.
So, and that's, and that's,

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that's the thing.
It's like, you know, if you just

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look at it as a piece of
cardboard with sticker, it's not

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a big deal, whatever.
Like it's a, could be a fun

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game.
But it when you hear these scary

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stories, that's the thing that
scares the shit out of me,

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there's, there's actually a
scary and Infamous Spirit named

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Zozo that people talk about and
we're talking about on the

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internet forums for years
stairs, like saying, hey, this

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is You've all have you guys had
any issues, it's caused harm to

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people.
People have died.

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It's had all of these, you know,
it's basically like an omen and

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maybe potentially a demon that's
going to be following you.

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But can I sell now and I'm, it's
do I have some yeah.

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Mmm, so I think with any thing
like this that it's your

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intention is everything.
Absolutely.

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And unfortunately, you know
people associate with Easy

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boards with devils and evil
people.

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Because I guess that's the
exciting thing and that people

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that do it.
That's their intention, right.

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Whereas if you I want to engage
with something like this.

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And I've read this repeatedly,
you know, there's a little

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preparation involved.
Yes, and setting.

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Your anticipate, your perk your,
what's the word?

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I just said the word before
engine tension.

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Thank you.
If you're setting your intention

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and your energy in a certain
way, then The chances of that

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crazy shit happening are nearly
nil.

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Yeah, right, yes.
I think.

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I also think like when you're
using anything you can't know

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what other people's intentions
are right.

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Like unless you're super clear
cut, you have specific roles.

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Like if I even though I'm like,
I don't know what's up with the

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Ouija board.
Do I believe in it?

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I'm still trying to figure that
out but I have specific rules if

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anyone touches a Ouija board
with me, like and it's like,

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hey, one person Control.
That's that's what they say is

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like if you're using it, one
person's asking questions.

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You have to end the session and
start the session in a specific

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way.
Also don't be a dick, you know,

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right.
Because especially, if there is

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something that you're
communicating with killer, you

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don't want something to be
aggressive, killer God fucking

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with the unknown, right?
Exacerbate, sponsibility.

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Yeah, I have some kind of
responsibility.

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So this Zozo character, that is
Has been Infamous.

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I've not which I've never heard
of never heard of.

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No.
I haven't have had an experience

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with it.
What.

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Uh-huh.
Okay.

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I've so many questions.
Including why?

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But we you know we I didn't
even.

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So it's funny because yeah like
I was touching the ball with

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other people and I don't move
it.

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I barely put my fingers on it
and it did Zozo as the name.

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I don't know what to say.
I didn't really even know of the

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of this Infamous Spirit until I
had actually listened to Cast

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people like have you heard of
Zozo?

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I'm like, actually, yes I have.
And the only two times I did

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come up where, with two people
who had kind of dark and I

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didn't really know but they had
with the best intentions were

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not of the purest or had issues
right?

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Like like maybe not the purest
of intentions or maybe we're

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easy to, I don't know maybe
comes very late.

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Yeah, I might be late, huh?
So and I didn't know that which

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is why.
Now, if I ever use something

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like that I know No, the people
are doing well.

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Yeah.
So this bad luck Zozo character

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was such a phenomenon that
actually Hollywood Hollywood

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made a movie called I am Zozo.
Wow, yeah, yeah.

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So it was like a huge thing and
ultimately, you know, it's about

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the a demon and, you know, you
can check it out online.

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It doesn't have great reviews.
I haven't seen it, but it was so

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popular and so well-known that
they actually made a fucking

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movie in 2012 about it.
Heard No.

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So ultimately you know, really
the question is like how the

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heck does the planchette move
and spell out things that end up

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making sense?
And how is it that, you know,

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ever all these people have had a
similar experience and with an

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entity of the same name and this
was, this was, you know, pre pre

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internet and then people started
posting on forums, like what is

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this?
What is this?

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How is everyone having this like
collective experience with the

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same entity that ends up doing
bad things, or people get sick

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or whatever?
Ever the case may be.

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Yeah, do you have any ideas
Kevin?

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Like I'm like how is it that
everyone is?

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Is experience experiencing the
same shit.

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So I'm the, this is where I get
my skepticism is like, you know,

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when you start posting it,
people are aware of it and then

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it just kind of propagates like,
oh, did you hear Zoe's?

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Oh, oh yeah, we're gonna the
stamms oh no, you know, I mean

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like I get very skeptical about
again with the with this thing.

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I'm very I'm not convinced I
think that this is a true tool.

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Yes, I think that it can be used
to truly communicate with

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energy.
I have zero.

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Question about that.
I am skeptical.

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Of.
The people doing it real?

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Yes.
Yeah.

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I never know when in fact you
are communicating with Zozo or

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when in fact, you are was
someone who was just trying to F

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with you, right?
You know I'm saying, yeah, it's

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like, what are the intentions?
What are people actually?

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What are they trying to get out
of bed?

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I want, I want to do this by
wanted to be real, but I really

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want to do this and I want it to
happen.

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Yeah.
And I want it to be like Real

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yes, like like totally real and
you know, so but also like

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here's the thing.
Another thing I was thinking

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about is like, potentially we
could eat, you know, if you're

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touching the Ouija board on
Halloween, you could, you just

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want to kind of get scared and
get freaked out or there's that

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too?
Sure.

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I mean that's just his the
season right.

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Right.
Like like sometimes I don't want

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to open some door to some not
good shit either.

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Oh, I completely agree with that
and So I go back and forth Just

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Like You Do, ultimately the
quick fun answer to, you know,

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how is everyone having this
experience?

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How is it, how is it actually
moving?

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What's going on the quick fun
answer, is that ghosts are, you

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know, moving it and it's a
spirit world and we don't

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communicate with them.
Great, which is great but the

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complicated one is the ideomotor
effect.

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Have you heard of that?
No, so essentially it's a

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phenomenon where the sensory
stimulus can unconsciously

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Justly initiate physical action.
So even if you feel like you

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don't have conscious control
over the planchette, really The

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Not.
So Glam and spooky ideas that we

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have these involuntary movements
and making people do it.

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That's not really a ghost, it's
not really a ghost and we're

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actually moving.
It's like when you have the

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planchette moving in your hand
and rotating around the board

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you think that you have no
control but you're doing it but

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you're still moving it via and
you don't know what the plan

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chat is.
Going to be pointing to but you

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have an experience on how it is
going to move and can

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unintentionally are seemingly
unconsciously spell out words.

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Yeah.
To cause it to say something

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like it that I I think that is
very very valid.

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Yeah and I think even I think
that like we try to make sense

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of things right like that we
cannot.

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And so if we're trying to make
sense of this and we're moving

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this around, oh, well, a okay.
It says, be, you know, even if

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you're a fucked up or whatever
your Trying to make it move

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around.
You're going to kind of move it

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slightly to a letter that might
make more sense.

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Yes.
Right and say, buddy instead of

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Buzz little that, yeah,
whatever.

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Sure, yeah.
I guess that makes no sense.

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Yes.
So, yeah, you'd be spelling out

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words to cause it to say
whatever it is that you think

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that it might be.
And that's kind of an

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interesting phenomenon, because
you're typically touching the

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board with another person.
Ultimately.

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I think that the Ouija board.
It's a freaky looking thing and

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and though, The science.
If you choose to take that route

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says that you're just moving
your hands around.

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I don't see harm and getting a
little spooky or scary.

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But that's just it too.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
What is yeah, exactly.

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I don't see.
I mean honestly and that either

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there's no harm and like unless
you're legitimately like

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unbeknown SLI opening some
portal.

452
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,600
Sure.
Sure.

453
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,600
But like if you're just wanting
to get a little spooked with

454
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,400
your friend, at a sleepover or
like at a party or have fun.

455
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,200
Yeah, have fun.
And, you know, I think that it

456
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,300
can cause you to potentially
learn a lot about yourself or

457
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,200
learn a lot about and create a
fun story with friends totally.

458
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,600
So I don't know.
I just like, you're saying, aye.

459
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,900
It's rough because I want to
believe, I really want to

460
00:25:49,908 --> 00:25:54,100
believe, but I'm just not, I'm
not convinced that it's as

461
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,500
spooky as witchboard, the movie
in the 1980s.

462
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,100
Had me had me.
Believe are the crafts.

463
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,100
You ever see the crowd?
I love to cry.

464
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:07,100
So good.
If you've not seen it, it is so

465
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,500
worth checking.
Going out.

466
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,000
So that, you know, I thought
that that's a pretty brief

467
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,600
overview on the Ouija board.
It's good.

468
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,900
We can most certainly like have
an entire episode of any of

469
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:20,900
these podcasts, any of these
subjects, all these any of these

470
00:26:20,908 --> 00:26:25,200
subjects for a specific podcast.
But but yeah, I just thought a

471
00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:27,600
brief overview would be good.
So, what is great.

472
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,400
Yeah, thanks.
What are you going to talk to us

473
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,800
about next?
Well, the thing that I have was

474
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,900
so I have kind of working
Experience is the wrong word.

475
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,500
I've interacted with mediums and
I've interacted with Spirit

476
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,200
writing.
Oh, okay.

477
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:52,800
Also known as automatic writing.
Yes.

478
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:01,300
And automatic writing is also
called the Cog Rafi.

479
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:10,000
Yeah that is really fun.
I like that and I think let me

480
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,600
get my notes.
Yeah.

481
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,700
So psycho graffiti is a physical
ability for allowing a person to

482
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:23,300
produce written words without
consciously writing.

483
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,200
And so the idea is that you
holding a pin and on a piece of

484
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:34,000
paper and you're not consciously
writing any words, but similar

485
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,300
to the Ouija board.
You are allowing something else

486
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,500
to communicate with.
Yeah.

487
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,200
This is a pen and paper, like
just a pen and paper, Okay?

488
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:48,400
So scientists and Skeptics
consider automatic writing to be

489
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,400
the result of the ideomotor
effect, which is exactly what

490
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,700
you were talking about with
this.

491
00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:58,100
The Ouija board.
Yeah.

492
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:03,100
Would you Bart where were
unconsciously unconsciously

493
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:06,400
exactly making sub.
Just makes motions

494
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,600
unconsciously.
That's right.

495
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,700
So although purported
communication with the dead is

496
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:18,300
ancient modern, spiritualism
proposal, we began they're

497
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:23,300
saying in like 1848 of from what
I was reading in New York when

498
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,900
so the reportedly to screw two
schoolgirls, hmm, one named

499
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,700
Maggie and one named Katie, they
Katie, they pretended to

500
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:35,600
communicate with a ghost who
identified himself as a murdered

501
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,500
Peddler murdered Peddler.
So for decades Ed's later, the

502
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:43,600
sisters then confessed that they
were completely tricking people.

503
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:48,100
And they were demonstrating how
they were doing this whole

504
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:53,000
Spirit writing and how they were
creating these like wrapping

505
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,300
effects, which is, which we'll
talk about in a second, which is

506
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,600
how the spirits would indicate
that they were done writing,

507
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,400
which is slightly different.
So there's there's different

508
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,900
forms of spirit writing which I
get no, we'll talk about in just

509
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:12,000
a second Harry.
Houdini was Infamous for

510
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,900
exposing the flesh charlatan
Yeah, exactly.

511
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,500
Yeah.
He loved doing that.

512
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,600
Okay, so there's two kinds of
writing techniques.

513
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,800
One is called automatic writing
and that is where writings

514
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800
produced without control of the
conscious mind that some

515
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,400
sometimes called trance writing
and in that kind of writing an

516
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,100
entity, or Spirit guides your
hand to produce the

517
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,700
communication.
So, it literally is guiding your

518
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:42,200
hand to write out the word.
It's like ghost.

519
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Like, with Patrick Swayze, you
know, That's exactly moving.

520
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:51,500
That's I mean I'm down here
Patrick Swayze Patrick.

521
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:55,600
Come on definitely sit behind me
and God I had died.

522
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,100
My hand.
So the other type of spirit

523
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,800
writing is known as slate
writing.

524
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,100
Okay?
Okay.

525
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:07,700
In this form the entity itself
wields or rights with the tools.

526
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:11,800
So in the day that was chalk on
a piece of slate.

527
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,200
Oh, okay.
Hence late writing and slate

528
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,900
writing, and What they would do
is they would take that piece of

529
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:22,400
slate, they would take a piece
of chalk, put it on a slate,

530
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,800
they would hold it under the
table and press it up against

531
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,700
the table.
And the spirit would write with

532
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:32,600
the chalk and you could hear it
right?

533
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,700
And then it would wrap and you
would know that it was done

534
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,500
writing and you would take the
Slate out and it would have the

535
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,700
words, okay, couple questions
here.

536
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,900
So, you're saying that they
would put the actual, they put

537
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:55,700
the actual like piece of chalk
up against the table.

538
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,700
So, we have the table here.
Yes.

539
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,700
And then here's the chalk.
Yes.

540
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000
And then the slate, and then we
have the slate slate underneath.

541
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,800
So, so okay.
Here we?

542
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Yes, exactly.
Okay, yeah.

543
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,100
So you have it like this?
Yeah, so okay.

544
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,500
And then between here it's
moving it like that.

545
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,900
Yes.
So One's hands underneath the

546
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:20,600
sleigh either and and ideas that
you have both the psychic or the

547
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,900
the medium.
Yes.

548
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:25,100
And the person who is receiving
this message?

549
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,300
Both holding that piece of
slate.

550
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,700
Okay.
Okay.

551
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,300
Letting the the spirits right
where's Harry?

552
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:37,700
Where's Harry Houdini?
I mean, okay, so here's the

553
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:42,700
thing.
I always question anytime you

554
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:45,000
can potentially be making money
off of anything.

555
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,300
Of course, I'm because I'm
assuming these people are not

556
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:49,800
doing out of the kindness of
their hearts.

557
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Hey, I have this gift.
Yes, that I've been given.

558
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,100
Yeah, I am trying to help
people.

559
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,000
Yes, you know, people have bills
to pay, maybe that's how it

560
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,200
starts, then they end up saying,
oh, yeah.

561
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000
Oh, you just, you're, you're
deeply bereaved.

562
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:06,200
And you know, you're going
through all of these emotions

563
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,600
advantage taken them.
By the way, you need to call me

564
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,100
back every week.
Yeah, yeah.

565
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Yeah.
I know you have a subscription

566
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,100
and Kate every week.
Yeah.

567
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,500
Because you can't get this
communication, you need it

568
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:23,200
through me and so because of
that, yeah you're I have to

569
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,500
charge you and then all of a
sudden people are in the poor

570
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,100
house.
Like so that's that's I don't

571
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:29,500
know.
That's something that I got to

572
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,300
stress.
The other thing that makes this

573
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:33,300
so hard is when people are
legit.

574
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,100
Yeah.
And making money off of it.

575
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,800
What's the guy's name?
Who is very real psychic on TV?

576
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,300
John I'm guy, young, Tyler
legit.

577
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,700
Yeah, bitch legit Tyler
something?

578
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:54,600
Okay, no that bitch legit and
he's making money, sure.

579
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,000
Yeah.
Make him I'm sure he's making

580
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
good money.
Yes, some people people.

581
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,300
People question that.
Yeah, and they go.

582
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:02,600
Okay, you're just a little
moneymaker.

583
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:05,000
Well, I think that's what sucks
that.

584
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,900
Is it sucks?
I think that, you know, we all

585
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:10,900
have to make some dough.
We both have day jobs live and

586
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:14,200
my talent happens to be.
I can talk with Spirits.

587
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,400
Yeah.
So I might as well make a couple

588
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,100
bucks, but then you got the
people, like you said, that are

589
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,000
like, okay.
Let's hold this piece of chalk

590
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,100
against this Lane, right?
There's a magnet in the chalk

591
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:28,200
and a magnet on the table that
were actually moving that you

592
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,400
don't know about.
And it says I love you.

593
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,000
Don't stop what you're doing,
whatever the county or state.

594
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,600
Dog, sell your stock and give it
to Madame Leota.

595
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:45,900
Like I think I think that it's
good to have a skeptical mind

596
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:50,600
because when you're in a
different headspace like when

597
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,300
you're grieving, we both
understood what grieving is

598
00:33:53,308 --> 00:33:58,300
like, you know, you're so
vulnerable honourable and it's

599
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:01,200
taking advantage of that.
Yes, yes.

600
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:07,200
And I feel like back in the late
1800s, It's early 1900s.

601
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,300
I feel like that was done a lot.
Yeah.

602
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,500
Spiritualist movement was part
of the yeah.

603
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:15,100
Okay.
Yeah, we go.

604
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,300
Okay, so let's flash back for a
moment.

605
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:31,100
Okay, so the 1800's And so, oh
gosh, I just lost dramatic

606
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,800
effect because I lost my son.
Well, and now I'm going to have

607
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,900
to have some music.
Hold on.

608
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:37,300
Let's hold on.
Let's do this.

609
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:41,199
We're gonna go bloop.
I'm going to go bloop and then

610
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,100
we're going to go, hold on, boo
fun.

611
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:49,199
Yeah, absolutely.
Have a little music, some spooky

612
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,800
like that.
I think that I think like when

613
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,500
it comes to the I think this
automatic writing stuff is so

614
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:59,400
interesting and when it comes to
this topic it's there's so much.

615
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,800
There's a lot of Charlotte has a
charlatan is MM but also like

616
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,600
maybe you could let me let me
say this that my mom Nye.

617
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:14,800
Okay, did this.
When I was young, You guys used

618
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
to actually hear, right?
Wow.

619
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,200
How old were you, shoot.
I was Single digits single

620
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,400
digits, so you were like eight.
Yes, and I read, I actually

621
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,900
remember holding the pen with
the paper and my hands were

622
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,100
making big, big, big strokes,
and then set.

623
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:40,300
And I actually talked to my dad
about this and he remembers it

624
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,000
and he remembers that more than
I do actually.

625
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,500
Okay where would actually would
spell out words and you would

626
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,300
ask questions and like words
would come out.

627
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,900
I wonder if your mom or your dad
have like any of the Things that

628
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,700
you did.
I don't think they do.

629
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,500
That would have been cool and
creepy.

630
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,700
It would be cool when you are
doing it.

631
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,200
I have a couple questions.
Yeah, about this.

632
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:05,100
So when you are doing it like
your you and your mom would do

633
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,900
it together.
Yes.

634
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:10,200
I have said, yeah.
We'd have separate pads and

635
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,900
pens.
And Chad think she was the one

636
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,000
that kind of introduced me into
it.

637
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,700
Yes.
But it was a whole separate.

638
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,300
We would separate do it
separately.

639
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,300
Okay, so you guys were doing it
separately.

640
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:23,500
And would you be asking the same
questions would it?

641
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:27,500
Or would you just be like, in a
like kind of meditative trance

642
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,200
State and you're just good
question.

643
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,100
I feel like it was an outloud
question.

644
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,100
Again, I have a hard time
remembering this activity, I do

645
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,300
remember, one time, I do
specifically remember my hand

646
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,800
moving and big kind of Loops
does about, all I remember from

647
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,300
this activity, but I think that
we were, in fact, speaking

648
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:52,800
questions out loud like You
whatever I don't remember what

649
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,500
the questions were.
I can't even remember what we

650
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:59,600
would ask for why we would ask
but I heard by remember I do

651
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:05,300
kind of remember asking them out
loud in my hand moving and then

652
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:11,400
sometimes it would kind of gets
small and and then move and then

653
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,400
you look.
And sure enough there was some

654
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,800
writing like some writing you
could like and you could read

655
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,600
it.
Did it look like your own

656
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,300
writing or did it look?
No, it didn't look like your own

657
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:25,000
writing know, because it was
like interesting big kind of

658
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,100
large and loopy and different.
Did you wasn't like we got going

659
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:32,100
right like like making
concisely, right?

660
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,300
So it was like, never ending
endless like like never sinless,

661
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:38,700
like touching the pad.
The pain with the pain was

662
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,400
NeverEnding end.
Yes.

663
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,300
Are like line never never ending
line.

664
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,700
Okay, so when you were doing it,
did you feel like you were in a

665
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,300
trance?
Did you feel like you were being

666
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,700
guided?
Did you, do you remember any of

667
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:51,800
that?
I, that might be.

668
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,900
Don't, how was just it?
I don't I didn't remember

669
00:37:55,900 --> 00:38:01,000
feeling different, okay.
And I seriously do not remember

670
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,900
intentionally writing anything.
Like I remember going, I'm in

671
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,100
it, right, you know?
I mean, like I doubt, I've would

672
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:10,600
you ask The questions.
It was your mom that you would

673
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,000
ask questions.
Like, what kind of dog am I

674
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,100
going to get next or whatever?
Yeah, I'm Sam's really trying to

675
00:38:16,108 --> 00:38:17,200
remember.
I don't even think it.

676
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,800
Would ya like something base at
something basic, huh?

677
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,800
And it would like, because you
don't want it to write out of

678
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,700
fucking sentence, right?
It was like a word, like, one

679
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,300
word answers.
When word questions, right,

680
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,200
questions?
That would give you one word, or

681
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,300
that kind of thing, you know,
and it makes me mad because I

682
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:42,700
probably should have talked to
my dad, my mom before I I do

683
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,700
remember talking to my dad, just
really real actually relatively

684
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,800
recently, and him saying.
Do they believe in that dear

685
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,300
parents believed in them?
Yes, they totally believed.

686
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:54,400
Yes.
We should have had your mom on

687
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,300
the podcast.
Well, I asked her and she's

688
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,600
like, no, it's too much.
He's no, it's not that.

689
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,900
It's just that.
She's very.

690
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:07,600
What's the word I'm looking for?
Not private, but she's just, as

691
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,200
I she doesn't like, yeah.
She doesn't like, we could have,

692
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,900
had her just hiding.
Behind are very, very alive.

693
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:18,300
Yeah, bury him Alive.
By the way.

694
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,400
Barry.
How you doing?

695
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,900
Boo.
Barry.

696
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,100
Hey hey.
Okay, you gave him.

697
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,000
He's way too much drugs.
He's not even like blinking what

698
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,300
the fuck.
Okay, all right, we'll come back

699
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,300
there.
It's okay.

700
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,400
It's okay Barry.
Just chill out.

701
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,000
You're in a safe place.
A place where just let it wrong,

702
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,200
man.
Let her for all.

703
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:48,800
Okay, so flashing to the 1800s.
So imagine this.

704
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:53,800
Hmm.
Imagine let your imagination run

705
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000
wild.
You don't close your eyes and

706
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,800
listen.
All right, a medium and I lost

707
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,900
it again.
Oh my God, I'm so retarded.

708
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,100
We just talking about this
earlier, dude.

709
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,300
Don't want you to like what is
it?

710
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,200
What is it?
Okay.

711
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:21,400
Okay here we go.
A medium and the guest takes

712
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,300
their seats on opposite ends of
a small table, okay?

713
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,100
And they're each grasping a
corner of an ordinary School

714
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,800
slate.
What's this?

715
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:40,900
They hold form firmly pressing
against the underside of the

716
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:46,700
table.
A small fragment of slate pencil

717
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:51,300
is first enclosed between the
slate and the table.

718
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,600
For the use of the spirit rider
sounds spooky.

719
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,900
Do you know?
I have something for us,

720
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,700
anything else?
I forgot.

721
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:16,600
I love this.
Oh, Should the Seance be

722
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,800
successful?
Is scratching sound as if

723
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,100
someone was writing on slate is
heard at the end of a few

724
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:33,200
moments.
Three loud raps, indicate the

725
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:41,300
conclusion of the message.
And on the withdrawal of the

726
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:46,300
Slate.
Is found to be a partially

727
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:53,900
covered with writing.
Either in a general message,

728
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:01,600
allegedly from the spirit world
or an answer to some sort of

729
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,200
question, previously written
down by the guests.

730
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Now, how do you prove this is
real?

731
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:24,400
Not definitively for sure.
How do you prove its real?

732
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:30,000
Well, we can't really so
scientists have tried.

733
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:30,800
Okay.
Okay.

734
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,600
And there was some researchers
that were led by a

735
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,900
neuroscientist Julio Perez the
University of Pennsylvania.

736
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Hmm.
They were gathered by a bunch of

737
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,600
Brazilian psychology refers and
these are the people.

738
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,500
These are legitimate psychotic
people that could spear, right?

739
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:47,900
Oh they can literally called
yes.

740
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:52,300
Julie, they could do this for
real or writing mediums, the

741
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:56,700
column writing writing mediums.
Okay.

742
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,400
And so these psychotic, they got
all these people together.

743
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:08,300
And they put themselves into a
respective trance, which is how

744
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:11,700
that, you know, that you that
whole process which you

745
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:13,600
actually, if you seen what was
his name.

746
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,300
The guy that young guy like
Tyler, it's watch Tyler.

747
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,900
He gets himself situated.
Yeah, rights and he okay.

748
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:24,800
And he gives himself Tyler
Henry, Tyler Henry, yes, gives

749
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,900
himself a moment and then he
connects and listening and right

750
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:29,900
there.
So there's a little bit of a

751
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:33,100
process.
So, these pair writers do the

752
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:37,400
same thing.
And they put themselves into

753
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,200
this trance, which they claim
allows the spirits to dictate

754
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,500
words that they then relay into
a piece of paper.

755
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,100
Now, some psychotic refers claim
to actually hear the words, hmm,

756
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,700
in which they are writing a
While.

757
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:54,600
Others say they're not
consciously, heard them at all.

758
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,400
And which I said before, that's
the two types, the one that were

759
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,600
there actually guiding your hand
or they're not and they so they

760
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,600
let the spirits kind of guide
their And or they hear the

761
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,100
words, and they write them down.
So this group of mediums was

762
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:13,200
comprised of five photographers
and five lest experience

763
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,200
cartographers very experienced,
ones psychotic refers, excuse

764
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,500
me, were very experienced not
experience.

765
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,700
The experience level was
determined by the number of

766
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,300
years.
Each medium had been

767
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:27,800
transcribing Spirit messages as
well as his or her average

768
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,800
number of trances each month.
So that that's kind of how they

769
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,500
gauge their experience house,
which makes sense, which makes

770
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:34,900
sense.
Yes.

771
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,300
So, for example, the most
experienced strands are

772
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,300
psychotic refer in the group had
been transcribing for 40 years

773
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:49,600
and averaged 16 trances per
month, which was which equated

774
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,900
out to about 76 hundred trances,
while the least experienced meet

775
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:54,900
him.
On the other hand had been

776
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,800
working for about five years.
Eight, mediums are eight trances

777
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,200
per month, which was about 480.
So they kind of tried to do this

778
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,700
whole range of experienced.
Sychar Gophers, right?

779
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:11,500
All right, so the researchers
were then he's asked to go into

780
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:15,700
a trance channel is spirit and
begin.

781
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:19,500
Transcribing, the messages that
the spirits gave them when the

782
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:24,100
mediums had been in a trance and
writing for 10 minutes.

783
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,400
The researchers injected a
radioactive dye into their

784
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,800
bloodstreams, okay?
And while it sounds like, yeah,

785
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,000
a little barbaric has sounds
like a great way to get cancer.

786
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:39,600
Well, it was a hot day say as a
harmless die.

787
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:42,000
Okay.
And it's the key ingredient in

788
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,300
the what they call spect SP EC T
which is the single Photon

789
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:50,700
emission computerized
tomography, okay, this is a

790
00:45:50,708 --> 00:45:55,000
brain scanning technique and so
the dye stops circulating very

791
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,900
quickly once in the bloodstream
leaving a near-perfect snapshot

792
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:03,800
of the volume and extent of
blood flow at the moment of

793
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,700
injection.
So this is them trying to See

794
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:10,100
where you're out.
When they doing this trance,

795
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,400
what is happening with the body
blood?

796
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,200
And that, you know, excetera So
this injection allowed the

797
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,200
researchers to take pictures of
the medians brains in a scanner

798
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,700
15 minutes later after the end
of the trances to learn, what

799
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,100
regions of the brain had been
most effective during the height

800
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:30,800
of their psychotic experience.
Well, I shouldn't say, say

801
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:35,400
psychographic experience.
I guess I guess it depends on

802
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,400
who you're talking to because
something would say it's like

803
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,100
okay, so each medium also had to
Simply write without Going into

804
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:47,300
a trance on a predetermined
subject for a length of time.

805
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,200
They had to create a what they
call that in science.

806
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,800
A control point.
Oh yeah, yeah, okay.

807
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,600
Again the researchers injected
died to perform the scan to see

808
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,100
what's happening in the brains
when they were forced to write

809
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:03,800
something.
So in other words, Alicia I want

810
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,600
you to answer the question
supercalifragilistic.

811
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,000
And so your brain has to think.
Okay, I'm going to write this

812
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,500
thing down.
Yes.

813
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,000
Whereas, if you're in a trance
and have something, Else is

814
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,400
controlling you.
You're not going to be

815
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,600
processing the same way.
When you write, you're not gonna

816
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,900
be thinking about it.
You're not going to be that

817
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:22,200
kind.
Yeah, your brains kind of turned

818
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,300
off and and potentially if you
have a spirit who's guiding you.

819
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:28,200
Yes, there you're not the
questions going to be us.

820
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,700
That's right.
You're not for processing and

821
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:32,800
thinking about I'm going to
write an a b, a c, a d and e.

822
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:35,800
Yes.
Okay.

823
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,100
So in the writings were
randomized and they tried to do

824
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:42,900
all of this stuff.
That's the, that's the

825
00:47:42,908 --> 00:47:45,000
scientific.
That's the scientific stuff.

826
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:46,900
The stuff.
Yeah, they're doing the stuff.

827
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,400
The scans focused on regions of
the brain involved in the

828
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,400
conscious focus of planning and
just with six Linguistics, kill

829
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,900
the riding typically depends on
those mental functions, right?

830
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,800
So the, because your
Linguistics, you have to be

831
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,100
about what you're writing, yes,
in the six, different specific

832
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:11,000
areas, hippocampus.
All these areas out.

833
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:16,500
Turns that I do not understand
the experience psychology.

834
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:20,000
Refers showed much higher levels
of activity during normal

835
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:27,200
writing, Than not, which makes
sense because their brains are

836
00:48:27,208 --> 00:48:30,700
their brains are functioning
when only writing exactly.

837
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:35,200
So of normal writing, my brains
processing, I'm going to write

838
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,200
these words.
Whereas, when not doing that, my

839
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,700
brain shouldn't be as active.
Because I'm not the one

840
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:48,000
controlling it and in fact they
proved that it wasn't so there

841
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,200
might be something more to this
automatic writing.

842
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,500
Like, Jet.
Yeah, I only like that.

843
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,500
So is the automatic Spirit
writing really just you or your

844
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,200
soul or subconscious expressing
itself.

845
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,600
Like maybe a form of therapy,
you know, like you're really

846
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,900
getting down into the root of
yourself.

847
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:16,900
That's see.
That's the thing that I

848
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:21,300
consistently question is.
How much of this is actually,

849
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:23,500
you?
Like we already know the

850
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,100
answers?
Maybe, you know, for whatever

851
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:30,200
reason, like, if we're asking
the questions, what kind of dog

852
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,200
am I going to get?
I already know what?

853
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,300
Kind of dog I want to get.
So maybe I'm writing that hmm or

854
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:37,900
perhaps there's like a greater
Consciousness and the

855
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:43,900
Consciousness is Is guiding the
answers.

856
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:47,200
So maybe we're all like almost
plugged into the same.

857
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:49,400
I don't know if I can.
What's a computer?

858
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:55,500
Like it like a collective.
Like a kind of scares the shit

859
00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:00,300
out of me dude.
You can't say Borg not aboard

860
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,400
Collective.
Maybe like a not ant colony.

861
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,600
Yeah, you know where you have.
Yeah you guys have you have all

862
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,200
the answers?
You and your kind of tuning into

863
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,000
that, you know, you hear people
talk about a lot, higher self,

864
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,400
or something.
Yeah, or higher Consciousness.

865
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,500
Did you move that chair?
I just did shit that scared the

866
00:50:19,508 --> 00:50:24,900
crap out of me.
You bitch, I'm always putting my

867
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:27,300
foot like my leg on the chair.
Right?

868
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:30,200
Oh my God she moved her foot and
watch.

869
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,400
Yes!
So it was doing that and I'm

870
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,900
like oh my God.
That's barely move.

871
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,900
Barry.
Hey, Barry.

872
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:45,500
You know what?
He doesn't have his mic up, bro.

873
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:49,000
Come on.
He's not even now you just track

874
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,100
the shit out of him, whatever
he's not he's I thought he would

875
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:56,900
be a little bit more limber,
something he's nice little tool,

876
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,600
okay, Barry it's cool, just
chill out, they're in a safe

877
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,800
place.
So what about what about, what

878
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,700
about, what else, mediums and
Tarot cards and stuff?

879
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:14,100
What you want to talk about now,
Ways of communicating with

880
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,200
Spirits, I don't know.
You want me to go over to tarot

881
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,000
cards I could like I could do
mediums, what do you think?

882
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800
Well, Okay, let's talk about
what we were talking about

883
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,000
Tyler's.
Let's talk about medium.

884
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Yes, that sounds great.
So full disclaimer.

885
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:37,000
Again, I am 100% believer.
Yes, and mediums and I'm okay.

886
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,000
I'm a Believer in that.
Some people are.

887
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,700
I don't think that everyone who
label themselves a medium or a

888
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:46,000
psychic without question is, I
was without question.

889
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:49,200
Okay, same with we're writers.
Same with tarot card, readers,

890
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,900
same with anybody and you can
claim to be it. do it or move a

891
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:57,300
Ouija board, but first know that
it exists.

892
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,800
I just let me just put it that
way.

893
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,000
That's what I believe, 100%,
they're able to connect with

894
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,700
energy that most people don't
understand or can't.

895
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:08,500
That's really ultimately.
What it, what?

896
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:12,100
I think it boils down to, but he
I have an interesting question

897
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:13,100
for you.
Hmm.

898
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:19,900
How can I turn?
How can I braid my hair?

899
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:24,300
You braid with three strands.
Not too.

900
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,500
So my mom actually asked me this
question the other day.

901
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:30,300
I thought it was very
interesting.

902
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:37,900
She said, Are mediums listening
and communicating with Spirits

903
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,700
or are they actually
communicating with the?

904
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:47,600
Person.
The energy from the person that

905
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,800
they're connecting to, yeah.
Like it's a great present and I

906
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,200
think it is a great question,
you know.

907
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,600
I if you're asking me that
question I think I think it's

908
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,200
probably I don't know, just like
I'll get into it a little bit

909
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,300
later, but I kind of feel like
this is a little bit more like

910
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:09,200
it can be a form of therapy,
right?

911
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,700
Like a lot of people are seeking
answers and in a therapists

912
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:17,300
office, you're also seeking
answers.

913
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,900
And sometimes the answers come
up and really random You know

914
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:23,900
ways I do.
I'm in therapy.

915
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:28,200
I don't know.
Red Alert.

916
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:34,600
I'm not perfect.
I know what it is but I look

917
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,300
perfect.
I might look perfect darling.

918
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:42,300
I'm not so so like, you know,
you sometimes get like these

919
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,800
breakthroughs are these like
moments where, you know, word

920
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,700
comes up or you have brain
spotting.

921
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,300
You're working with the brain
and you can't really understand

922
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,300
And you know, like my therapist
will say hey, at least I like,

923
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,900
you know, this, you know, you're
really great at doing this and

924
00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:59,400
you get automatic answers maybe
with another person.

925
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,600
It takes a little bit more time,
so it's not always the same.

926
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,800
Yeah, thing.
I think that in therapy you have

927
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,100
an exchanging of energies and I
could see that that's most

928
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:12,500
certainly the case I think and,
you know, maybe Spirit

929
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:16,600
Communications, maybe it's
working off of the energy of the

930
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,400
person and, and maybe the
mediums more like a vessel that.

931
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:24,000
Like yeah like a telephone
communication form.

932
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,900
Yeah that this person is able to
kind of pick up the receiver and

933
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,900
right use right?
I don't know, I don't know

934
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:32,500
either.
So it's a great question.

935
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:36,500
I think that the answer is
probably both could be.

936
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:38,400
Yeah, could be both?
Who knows?

937
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,500
Who knows?
I wish I knew I want to be one.

938
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,700
Do you want to be one?
Yeah.

939
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:47,900
I would love to be a medium.
Love it.

940
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,900
Oh, I don't know.
Love Really, why?

941
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:58,300
Because I think that would just
it's fascinating to be able to

942
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:03,500
connect with something that's
not on this plane.

943
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:07,300
That's not in this like that's
beyond us.

944
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,700
You know?
I'm saying that's beyond this.

945
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,600
Yeah.
And I think that's fascinating

946
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,500
but but then you have to deal
with people Kevin well.

947
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,800
So here's the problem too.
Is that I don't like people.

948
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Exactly.
You're not a fan of people, a

949
00:55:22,008 --> 00:55:25,700
lot of fans and people would
just so funny because I've only

950
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:30,700
had great experiences with us.
Well, I'd but I like some people

951
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,200
like you.
Okay, great great.

952
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,000
It would make this podcast a lot
more awkward.

953
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,500
So you would like, hanging out
with people and like, answers.

954
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:43,500
That's the thing, like, can you
shut it off and that's what I

955
00:55:43,508 --> 00:55:46,300
hear sometimes with Tyler's,
that he can turn that off.

956
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:49,900
I think that you get messages,
no matter what and you it's kind

957
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:51,800
of like a nagging feeling that
you can't really control.

958
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,100
That would be the total down
downside.

959
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,100
Yeah.
Yeah.

960
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,500
You're like oh have to plant
some?

961
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:00,400
Yeah, shut the fuck up.
No, the answer is no.

962
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,200
And no means, no, dude, I don't
think the spirits care about

963
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:10,300
them.
So let's talk about where we're

964
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,100
running a bit long.
Let's talk about tarot.

965
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:18,400
Yeah, because Taro is another
form of communication that I

966
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,800
have also had experience with,
because I've gone to tarot card

967
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,500
readers before.
My dad, is my dad has gone.

968
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:24,600
Okay?
Stay Me with.

969
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,700
He have good people here in
Colorado.

970
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:28,700
I've not know.
I do not know who they are.

971
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,300
It's been so long.
I would love to go to a terrible

972
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:34,700
enemy to like a legit.
We should.

973
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:36,600
This is all again, the whole
legit thing.

974
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,200
Yeah.
How do you find all the gentler?

975
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,100
That's, that's the hard thing.
I mean yeah.

976
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:44,500
II have experiences with tarot
cards as well.

977
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,000
And yeah, actually.
Yeah, I have a pack here.

978
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Yeah, that I actually brought
you had me before the show.

979
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,200
Hmm.
You had me.

980
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,400
Pick three cards I did.
So, towards the end of this

981
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,000
podcast, I'm going to make sure
that we are.

982
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,100
We go over the three cards, and
hey, I give you the reading.

983
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,400
So before we do, I'm just gonna
give you a little bit of a

984
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:08,000
history because you know me I'm
a fucking hard about what it is.

985
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,700
Okay.
So I don't really have a

986
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:12,100
thorough enough knowledge to
make a living or even a penny

987
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:16,500
off of tarot card readings but
after maybe after the

988
00:57:16,508 --> 00:57:19,200
explanation of the history, I
can try, I'm good.

989
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:21,700
I've already have read your car
because I'm not very good.

990
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:25,800
So I had to like pre do it And
see whether or not the spirits

991
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,200
actually did work through me.
So you're going to have to tell,

992
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,400
tell us at the end of the hell,
I will, I'm totally honest.

993
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:35,300
So, I don't know if you've seen
like, the tarot on the interwebs

994
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:39,800
or even, but even like on
YouTube or Tick Tock, you can do

995
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Taro pick a cards.
Oh, have you heard of that?

996
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:47,400
It doesn't feel right now.
So answer is no but I feel like

997
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,800
picking something digitally
isn't real.

998
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:52,900
Maybe maybe there's a greater
Consciousness or something

999
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:55,300
that's moving your hand.
And like, you needed to hear the

1000
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:56,800
message.
So I, it's a thing.

1001
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,300
It's okay.
Okay, thing online.

1002
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,000
Now, I'm curious because I have
to look at it.

1003
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,500
Yeah, I so I actually have my
favorite in the show notes.

1004
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:04,000
I have one of my favorite,
dudes.

1005
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,300
It's, he's called a DT, okay?
And he even discusses, like, the

1006
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:11,000
depraved Secret Lives of
celebrities.

1007
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,800
And, and, and maybe like True
Crimes, like trying to solve

1008
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,700
True Crimes through the hearts.
It's fucking ridiculous.

1009
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:19,600
And hilarious, okay?
You never heard of it.

1010
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,200
No, okay.
Well, not that.

1011
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,400
So it's like a digital version
of tarot cards.

1012
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,700
It is, yeah.
Digital version.

1013
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:28,200
Well, I mean it's still tarot
cards.

1014
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,600
It's just a it's a way to do it
through like online.

1015
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,600
My mind, you're not right, like
sorry cuz I can't literally feel

1016
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,900
the card and pick it.
Yeah, can't feel the cards wife.

1017
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:38,800
Yeah.
Okay.

1018
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,700
Or maybe you're caught, you're
called to a pile.

1019
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:43,100
I'll give you some okay.
Yeah, you'll have to tell me,

1020
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,700
tell us how you think.
So, ultimately be form, is

1021
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:53,000
clearly the Miss Cleo's 1-800
1-800 world, it was really just

1022
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,900
a deck of cards.
Ed's tarot cards.

1023
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:58,000
As we know them, have a rich
history and I could talk for

1024
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,000
days, but I'm not going to.
So I don't want you to get too

1025
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,900
spooked.
Ultimately it started in Italy

1026
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:07,400
somewhere around the middle of
the 15th century you've played

1027
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,000
with, like a deck of cards, like
the bicycle deck of cards.

1028
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,300
Sure, hmm.
So that's actually just how

1029
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,900
these began.
Okay.

1030
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,100
Oh yes.
Because actually, let me ask you

1031
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:22,200
are like I have been to a card
reader who was simply used a

1032
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,800
card of deck of cards.
Icicle like a bicycle that cards

1033
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,400
and she had just written like
the Ace of Spades was whatever

1034
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:30,900
that would be.
Yeah.

1035
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:33,200
So she had just written on that
and these were all the should

1036
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,000
they use them for him fucking
ever?

1037
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:36,800
This is a rare that could be.
Yes.

1038
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,600
And that's that's actually how
they started was a plain deck of

1039
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:43,100
playing cards.
You know, you have four suits,

1040
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:48,500
you have a king, a queen, a
knave, a night, / page, and the

1041
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:52,100
Ace of each suit works as the
one.

1042
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,100
So each one of the cards Have a
numerical value, okay, with

1043
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:59,200
tarot cards.
So people still actually use and

1044
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,800
play these cards as a standard
set of, you know playing cards

1045
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,600
in Europe.
And there, they don't have any

1046
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,600
spooky connotations, it's like
playing slap jack or whatever.

1047
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,900
You know, you're, you're playing
a normal game, you're not having

1048
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:13,400
any kind of ghostly
communication.

1049
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,300
It's that's just how it works,
but we both know that tarot

1050
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:20,800
cards that's not how tarot cards
are seen in the United States.

1051
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,900
And we really wouldn't be
talking about them in the book,

1052
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:26,900
The bizarre AF.
Episode, you know in our world

1053
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:29,000
if that was the end of it.
So buckle up.

1054
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,600
Okay.
Have you heard of you know, have

1055
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,400
you've had your tarot cards read
have just find it to be pretty

1056
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,800
accurate.
Yes, you did.

1057
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,400
Yes.
Okay, from what I recall.

1058
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,200
Yes, okay.
Good to know.

1059
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,700
I've had my cards read to and I
think that it was pretty

1060
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,200
accurate.
I'm always I want to believe so

1061
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,300
hard.
Yes.

1062
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:54,600
But it's yeah.
Also, I'm like Yeah, like make

1063
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,000
things fit.
Oh you can.

1064
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,300
That's kind of how I feel.
I may be a more closed off or

1065
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:01,000
I'm like, dude, I feel like I
could have answered these

1066
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,100
questions myself.
So.

1067
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:06,000
Wow.
Yeah.

1068
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,600
That's that's it again.
Don't lose your place in the in

1069
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,900
that where I'm going but that's
another reason.

1070
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:13,600
Why is it just psychology?
Is it just getting into the

1071
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,900
depth of what you are who you
are?

1072
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,900
That's think that's a great
question and I think that that's

1073
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:23,400
something that when we're
looking at things, at means

1074
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,500
Similar to, you know, tarot
cards, Ouija boards.

1075
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,900
Like potentially could be like a
therapy session.

1076
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:32,300
And yeah, could be getting
answers that.

1077
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:37,600
You already kind of knew?
Yeah, but you know, I do think

1078
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,000
that, you know, whether you go
to a therapist, or you go to a

1079
01:01:40,008 --> 01:01:43,100
medium, it's kind of the same,
it could be potentially be the

1080
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:46,800
same thing, right?
So actually the tarot cards,

1081
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,100
they, they tell a story of an
Epic Journey.

1082
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:54,600
Were you aware of that?
No, so it's that.

1083
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,400
Yeah, it's actually the major
Arcana.

1084
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:59,300
So those are cards.
Once once again, every single

1085
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:01,900
card has a numeric value which
I'll show here.

1086
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:06,200
This one is the, this is one of
the suits, so it's the page of

1087
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:11,300
Swords, but every one of these
have a numeric value, let's see

1088
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:16,800
in the Knight of Pentacles and
they don't, of course line don't

1089
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,000
necessarily anyways, they have.
Yeah there you go.

1090
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,300
There's one.
There's So, yeah, they all have

1091
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:29,600
different numeric values, so the
major arcanas card 0221.

1092
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,300
My deck does not have all of the
numbers on them.

1093
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:35,200
I should probably write them on
there, but that outlines the

1094
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,400
Fool's Journey.
The fool is actually symbolized

1095
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:45,000
as 0 or the beginning.
So, it's like each one of us as

1096
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,500
we begin life, where you're
starting from nothing and we're

1097
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:54,100
becoming something, right?
I kind of feel like the, the

1098
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:57,500
tarot's calling me a fucking
loser or a fool and I'm not a

1099
01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:04,400
huge fan of, I'm nobody's fool.
Okay, if Tara, anyway the fool

1100
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,100
or us, we go on an epic.
Epic journey that is life and

1101
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:11,000
these major are can actually
give us a bigger picture of long

1102
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000
or long-term Direction.
So any cards that you're

1103
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:20,000
bringing up that are telling the
story of the fool, it gives us

1104
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,900
like a more of a long-term
Direction or path in our life

1105
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:26,100
that that you might experience
not foolish Journey.

1106
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:28,200
So I hinted at before, but I
wanted to talk a little bit more

1107
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,300
about the how technology has
changed the medium of tarot from

1108
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:34,600
Miss Cleo via 1-800 number, or
emailing.

1109
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,000
A Tarot reader back in the 90s
today, it's much easier to get a

1110
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,400
live or online reading and so
many people that you can

1111
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,400
actually get it from heck, you
can go onto YouTube.

1112
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,700
Like I was talking about C and
CE celebrity gossip discussed

1113
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:50,400
via tarot readers.
I actually, I was saying a diet.

1114
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,700
He's one of my favorite ones,
it's going to be a, he's gonna

1115
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:55,100
be on the link, in our show
notes talks about like, who

1116
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:57,900
killed Princess Diana, you know,
stuff like that, it's really

1117
01:03:57,900 --> 01:03:59,600
funny and he's hilarious.
Okay.

1118
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,600
So is he doing?
Is it a comedy?

1119
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,100
Or is it like real?
Like is entertainment

1120
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:08,800
entertainment but also I think
that he's like he's had some

1121
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:12,000
situations and things that have
have actually turned out to be

1122
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,500
true, okay?
And he has like his predictions

1123
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:18,500
that had come true on his
YouTube page so it can go on

1124
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:19,600
there, you can see it.
Okay.

1125
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:21,900
But now that we have Idea of how
the cards work.

1126
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,300
I thought I'd give I'd let you
choose those three hard.

1127
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:30,100
Since I'm not very good at this,
you chose beforehand.

1128
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:33,400
Yes.
And I didn't want to like sit

1129
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,100
there and look online.
Okay, what does this fucking

1130
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:36,200
car?
Because I'm starving.

1131
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:41,000
So, I don't want to bore you
with the details.

1132
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,200
So we did our exciting of the
future.

1133
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:48,200
Yes.
And it's three questions by the

1134
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,900
way.
Can I just add that I found out

1135
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:50,900
that while we when you were
doing?

1136
01:04:51,100 --> 01:05:00,400
doing this, that the The this is
one of the cards.

1137
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,400
Yeah.
That's the eight of swords that

1138
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,400
the direction in which you pull
it.

1139
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,700
Right?
The directions in which you

1140
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:10,400
pull.
It is important, it's very

1141
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,100
important.
So when you, when you pulled

1142
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:15,600
those initially, I said, did you
pull it up right this way?

1143
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,200
Or Is It reversed?
Because the the actual story of

1144
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,900
the card is completely different
for each?

1145
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:30,700
Each of each of the the suits,
they all symbolize different

1146
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:32,900
things.
So if you have the reverse of

1147
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:36,700
its object or the upside down
version of it, it's often the

1148
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:38,800
reverse okay inning of what it
is.

1149
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,200
Okay, God.
Mmm.

1150
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,400
So okay and one of mine was
upside down.

1151
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:46,800
It was upside down?
Yeah, so we actually had a

1152
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,600
future.
We did a future reading and it's

1153
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,200
a three card draw really.
So the first car so it's three

1154
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,100
different questions like what
will help you in your future?

1155
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,800
What will hinder you and what is
your unrealized potential?

1156
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:02,500
Okay.
Okay so the first one is what

1157
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:03,700
will help you.
Yes.

1158
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,000
And you pulled the eight of
swords?

1159
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:09,100
Yes.
So what will help you?

1160
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:14,000
So it's ultimately what this
card is telling you from my

1161
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,400
interpretation, right?
As Madame Leona Madam Alicia,

1162
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:25,800
it's saying what's going to help
you is Understanding what your

1163
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,700
thoughts are and your thoughts
tend to be more limiting and you

1164
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:32,700
overthink and you need to kind
of get out of your head.

1165
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,300
In order to be on the path that
you need to be on.

1166
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,200
You need to get out of your
head, let go of thoughts that

1167
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,400
are holding you back and gain A
New Perspective.

1168
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,800
So instead of thinking the same
way that you typically think or

1169
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,600
you're like okay well this is
exactly how it's going to

1170
01:06:48,608 --> 01:06:52,800
happen.
You have to be open and turn off

1171
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:55,400
those.
Overthinking or limiting,

1172
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:59,200
limiting thoughts.
So, on this, I'm just going to

1173
01:06:59,208 --> 01:07:01,700
show it if you see the actual
card itself.

1174
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:04,900
It's a, it looks like a woman
who's tied up in their swords

1175
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:07,700
around her surrounding her.
She's tied up, she has a

1176
01:07:07,708 --> 01:07:10,700
blindfold on and it's almost
like your.

1177
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,700
She seems as if she doesn't have
a hope or she, did, she already

1178
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:19,000
knows that her fate is decided.
She knows what she's going to be

1179
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,200
doing.
If she just paid attention,

1180
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,300
there are ways for her too.
To overcome her situation and to

1181
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:30,800
get past it, but she needs to
change her perspective in order

1182
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,300
to do so.
So what will help you as in

1183
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:36,200
changing your perspective?
So you have to change your

1184
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,900
perspective, get a different
thought, process behind it.

1185
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,200
And that's the only way that
you'll move forward with any any

1186
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:46,900
certainty or any success.
Ultimately.

1187
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,000
Okay.
You already have everything that

1188
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,700
you need.
You just need to seek it out.

1189
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:54,000
Got it.
And make Uncomfortable.

1190
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,900
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, right.

1191
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,400
I get that, okay.
That last sentence was

1192
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,700
important.
Make yourself uncomfortable.

1193
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,800
Yeah, yeah.
Because she's already.

1194
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,400
Does that you've already decided
what's going to happen.

1195
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:10,500
You already know it's going to
happen but that's not what is

1196
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:13,800
reality.
Yeah, reality and your situation

1197
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,000
are two, totally different
things.

1198
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,899
You need to turn off all those
expectations, what you think,

1199
01:08:17,899 --> 01:08:23,399
you know, and move forward.
Okay, okay, so what's going NG

1200
01:08:23,408 --> 01:08:28,300
to hinder you.
We had the reverse Queen of

1201
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:30,000
Wands.
You can see it.

1202
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,100
Oh, there we go.
So ultimately, what's hindering

1203
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:37,000
you?
And it's this, it's really the

1204
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,600
same kind of message, which is
why I was telling Kevin before,

1205
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,600
and I said, Woo.
There's a real fucking clear

1206
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,100
message here for you.
Yes.

1207
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:48,100
So you already know yourself on
a deeper level, you know what

1208
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:51,200
you stand for?
You're not easily swayed, you

1209
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,200
might be a little bit more
introverted than you.

1210
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,100
Then then typical but you need
to stop that.

1211
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,800
You need to stop that action and
you because it's going to start,

1212
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,200
it's going to stop you and
hinder you from From Success

1213
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,600
from personal growth.
So, instead of instead of

1214
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,899
understanding once again, like
knowing exactly who you are,

1215
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:17,700
what you stand for excetera, you
you need to realize that maybe

1216
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:22,000
you don't have all the answers
and know that, you know, by

1217
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,700
getting yourself specific Look
out of your shell out of your

1218
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:27,700
Norm.
That's how you're going to grow

1219
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:31,700
if you choose to not and to
continue on the path that you're

1220
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:35,399
on, you're not going to have the
growth that you're seeking.

1221
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,600
Got it in the future.
Uh-huh.

1222
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:41,300
Okay, so then we have your
unrealized potential.

1223
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:47,800
So this is the ten of Pentacles
and ultimately the ten, the ten

1224
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,800
of Pentacles Pentacles have to
do with money.

1225
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,300
Just a heads up.
So you're unrealized potential

1226
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,800
ultimately it's a very
financially successful card.

1227
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:04,300
That's what the ten of Pentacles
is like you have your a provider

1228
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:09,900
your bring Financial Security
your stability and you can you

1229
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,200
you can actually help others
through it.

1230
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,400
So your potential is your T,
have the everything that you

1231
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,100
need, which is what these cars
have been saying, you have

1232
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:22,300
everything that you need, you
just need to get outside of your

1233
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:25,400
outside of your own.
Own head and your unrealized

1234
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,400
potential as you can actually
help others grow with their own

1235
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,900
Financial stability and and
their own like, you know,

1236
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,100
happiness as far as not having
to worry.

1237
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,800
Yeah.
So it really indicates that you

1238
01:10:38,808 --> 01:10:41,100
don't that you feel compelled to
share your success with others.

1239
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:44,000
So any success that you have is
Success, that others should

1240
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:44,900
have.
So that's your unrealized

1241
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:48,700
potential you work.
Your hard worker, you've worked

1242
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:52,400
hard to get where you're at and
you can really help you know all

1243
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,500
tides.
High Tides, whatever.

1244
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:57,700
That is where all of us are on
the same level and like the

1245
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:00,400
boats fucking come up something.
Okay about that, I don't know.

1246
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:03,900
But it's like everyone, you
know, if we have like rolling

1247
01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:06,800
Seas, you have won both, that's
way higher.

1248
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,900
And then one boat that looks
like it's going to, you know, be

1249
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:12,400
drowning.
You have the ability to bring to

1250
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,500
raise High Tides, something
about don't know that saying?

1251
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,700
I don't know.
Sure.

1252
01:11:17,700 --> 01:11:19,600
That whoever's listening is
like, high tides.

1253
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,600
I think some sheep shit or like,
like high tide like Raise All

1254
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,100
Ships, okay?
Or whatever?

1255
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:27,400
Okay, make everything equal.
So like okay, you have the

1256
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:33,100
ability to make everything like
other people equal, and that's

1257
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:35,500
like a, that's a real gift.
You have a financial like the

1258
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:38,800
ability to earn money and have
success financial success.

1259
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:42,600
And your potential is you're
able to bring other people on

1260
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,900
that same level.
Okay?

1261
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:46,600
And which is cool.
I don't know, got it so I'm not

1262
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:51,300
very good at I thought that was
great what's interest and it you

1263
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:53,200
know so here's the thing I don't
know.

1264
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,300
Everyone can real always relate
to every I don't feel like

1265
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:57,700
that's actually I'm going to
take that back.

1266
01:11:57,700 --> 01:12:02,000
I don't I don't feel like other
people sitting here would relate

1267
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,800
could relate to that, so I
don't, I don't think, I don't

1268
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,500
think people could fit could fit
themselves into that.

1269
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:11,900
And that's why I feel like
there's I mean, I I could relate

1270
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:13,500
to it.
Was there anything that you're

1271
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,300
like, that's not relate to it?
No, no, there was nothing.

1272
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:18,900
You couldn't really nothing.
I couldn't relate to

1273
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,900
interesting.
Yeah, it all seem valid.

1274
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,500
Okay.
That way or potentially possible

1275
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:28,800
or Associated to me, oh my God.
I was expecting to be like, at

1276
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,900
least yours.
You're so way out of bed.

1277
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:33,100
Oh, God Alesha.
I don't know what I'm doing.

1278
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,700
You know, I've touched these
cards.

1279
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:38,000
Probably, man, I don't know 20
times, which actually, like

1280
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,000
that's kind of gets back to my
point.

1281
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,700
I kind of think that tarot cards
overall, help us have a better

1282
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:48,200
understanding of ourselves and
the world that we are in.

1283
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:51,500
I think that, you know, I
believe that some people are

1284
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,200
more intuitive and may have
something that we can't really

1285
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,900
explain scientifically, that
makes them interpret cards.

1286
01:12:56,900 --> 01:13:08,300
And let me just say this for For
sake of not validity.

1287
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,500
But what's the yeah, I guess
validity.

1288
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:19,700
Okay. and I'm not going to go
into detail, but It's not like

1289
01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:22,900
you're some Street person who
just picked up a tarot card and

1290
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:25,900
did it.
There's there's other things

1291
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:31,000
that people don't know that I
guess add validity to to this.

1292
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:37,500
So I don't want people to think
that they could just pick, you

1293
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:39,500
know, right.
Just go.

1294
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:41,000
Okay.
So I guess they just completed

1295
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,900
some tarot cards and read a
thing.

1296
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,200
I mean, I did there's more I
think there's more.

1297
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,000
I think people need to
understand that I think there is

1298
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,900
more to it.
There's, there's Some spiritual

1299
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:55,100
connectivity that is occurring.
Yes.

1300
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,600
Yeah, I, yes, there is before.
Yeah.

1301
01:13:58,700 --> 01:14:02,700
So when we were like doing the
reading or beforehand, both of

1302
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:07,700
us had the deck out and we both
were very intentional.

1303
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:09,400
Like what is it?
That were wanting to get out.

1304
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,500
We're trying to have this so it
takes two people, right?

1305
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,700
But yeah, I'm not going to go
into detail about my stories but

1306
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:18,700
I've had some stories.
Yeah where it I can't I can't.

1307
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:20,500
Not fucking explain, it makes no
sense.

1308
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:25,000
Do I think that that's
individual to me?

1309
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,200
I think that everyone has the
ability to maybe have a greater

1310
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,800
understanding of the world, or
the universe, or the greater

1311
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,200
Consciousness, whatever the fuck
you want to call it, and help to

1312
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,800
interpret some people use cards.
Some people use a Ouija board.

1313
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,100
Some people use automatic
writing.

1314
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,600
It's still the same.
It's potentially coming from the

1315
01:14:44,608 --> 01:14:47,900
same Source where it's which is
a greater Consciousness.

1316
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:52,100
Rounders Gasps exactly.
And so, it's just how can you

1317
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:55,900
kind of use that?
And I just, I really see this as

1318
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:57,900
an extension of something like
therapy.

1319
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:04,000
Yeah, so I'm, I do think that I
fit the look for a Tarot reader

1320
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:11,500
today connection, but I, this is
a really fun episode, so good,

1321
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:15,700
such a good time today.
And your again, I'm not going to

1322
01:15:15,700 --> 01:15:20,100
get into details, but I do think
you have a I think you're you

1323
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:21,900
have an energy?
Thanks.

1324
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,900
Yeah I'm excited about it.
Yeah, I'm excited to this is

1325
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:27,400
really fun.
We're going to I think we can

1326
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,900
explore that more.
Okay, so down we go forward.

1327
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:36,600
Yeah, as you continue to listen.
Yeah, we continue to explore the

1328
01:15:36,608 --> 01:15:38,700
world of the bizarre AF.
That's right.

1329
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:41,500
All right.
Thank you for a fun fun show.

1330
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,800
Thank you.
It's happy Halloween, everybody.

1331
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,700
Happy Halloween.
And oh my God, this very exact.

1332
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,500
Hey, Barry.
Out.

1333
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,400
Very, you've had way too much to
drink.

1334
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:57,400
Don't trust me Barry.
Alright, thanks again Alicia.

1335
01:15:57,500 --> 01:15:59,300
Thank you, Kevin.
All right, talk to you later.

1336
01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:00,400
Bye.