The Blessed Knife - A Castrato Tale

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Well, hello, bizarre story
friends.

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If you're tuned in now, you are
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strange, the unusual, the

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unknown, and all things bizarre
as fuck, Alicia your host.

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For today's episode, as always
we ask that you keep an open

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mind, keep a skeptical ear, but
keep listening on to the facts.

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As we take you on her newest
Journey, the Blessed knife a

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castrato tail.
Do re me my co-host with the

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most.
How you doing?

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Kevin.
Hey girlfriend.

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I'm good.
How are you doing?

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I'm good right now.
We are consuming up tropical

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actually beverage.
I didn't realize.

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How tropical was.
Oh yeah, here we go.

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If you're, if you're watching
out of our black goblets from

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the Madonna in cheers.
This is a rum Breeze.

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Mmm, it's really good.
I didn't, I didn't expect it.

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I took a sip right?
When we do the intro and I was

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like, oh my God, what is?
This is great.

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I'm gonna be feeling.
Line it up at the end of us.

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Has that coconut rum mmm-hmm.
I love coconut.

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I just got back from Hawaii so
it's like perfect transition.

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Yeah you're back in the
mountains and landlocked so we

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can still have like paradise
here in our in our cup.

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Thank you had a good time.
Yeah I think is great time.

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Good time.
Good to be back home in

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Colorado, though.
Total I'm me love.

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He's some kind of rad our home.
I guess you have to write this.

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You're living here.
Yeah.

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But Paradise isn't too fucking
bad, right?

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Don't complain.
No.

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Okay so I'm aware of your
singing proclivities and how

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great you are.
I have been serenaded by you on

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stage many a night.
You have many a night.

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You have.
I loved it because all about

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you.
Oh yeah, keep on going.

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Keep on going.
It's always about me and him

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could do not but but tell me Me,
how long have you been singing?

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What don't do the
professionally, but I've always

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liked to sing.
They tried to get me to sing in

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High School.
Okay.

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Refused I wouldn't do it.
Mmm, no, I wasn't as adventurous

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I guess back then, it's so fun.
That's so funny to me is an

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exact opposite of who you are
today.

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I know.
Yeah, I'm a little more on it

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and extrovert and introvert.
Yes.

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Yeah.
So I've gotten.

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I'm better at that as time goes
on but anyway and then I didn't

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really it was karaoke habla.
And then once I got Snatched up

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to do Hedwig.
Yeah.

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Which that, by the way, I think
my dish in for that I was just

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like someone saw me and then,
like they saw you.

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Uh-huh.
Miss.

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This is the San Francisco.
They came to a party.

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This brand I were having and
they saw a picture of me in Drag

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and Halloween.
Oh yeah, and they said do you

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sing?
And I said yeah I can carry a

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tune and they said, Said, would
you be interested in doing a

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show?
Like what?

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Show Hedwig and the Angry Inch
like what?

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What me.
So as I got sucked into that and

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then not suck in but pulled into
that thankfully and then you

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know, would do it in cage.
I don't see, I'm not like a

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musical fan and I know the gays
are going to want to take my

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card away.
It may be or deduct points.

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They could you could get some
points too.

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Dead right?
I've got room it's okay.

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But yeah I'm not super huge fan.
I do love Chicago but Chicago's

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yeah.
So I don't like / to participate

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in them necessarily and I have
done a couple which I've always

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enjoyed sure.
Sure.

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I've always enjoyed doing them.
Just nothing I seek out.

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So that's my singing history
repertoire.

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Yeah if you will.
Yeah I mean you when you were

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singing To me on stage.
It was that I mean you sounded

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great so you didn't ever do any
like training or anything like

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that?
No, no.

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And I think if I had
professional training obviously

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I would have.
I would be better.

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We still could I could.
So.

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Yeah.
You're right.

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Of course not laughs.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Six feet under and he can't do

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it anymore.
Yeah, that's it.

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Okay.
So, okay thing I am terrified of

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singing.
You are you have heard me

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saying, do karaoke?
We do karaoke.

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You've heard me.
Sing before, I don't think I

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have a bad voice.
I just kind of feel like it's

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baring your soul.
And what if people don't like my

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soul?
It's always that element of

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judging, right?
That's I think that's, that's

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the number one thing.
Yeah, that that, that I would be

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judged but it's just, it's very
scary for me.

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I'm trying to get past that
good.

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Yeah, but what if I told you
there was an entire Echelon of

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men who were rock stars, okay,
and their day, their operatic

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singer.
The Opera was like that was

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those were ours are singing that
was.

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Yeah.
That was that was like the eye.

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Yeah.
Everyone's like clamoring to be

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near them.
Yeah.

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But these opera singers actually
paid a really big price for

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their art form.
Uh-huh.

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What's the biggest price that
you would pay to be like a rock

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star?
Kevin?

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The biggest prize?
Yeah, I would pay.

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Would you your rock star?
Well, I don't know, I guess you

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could give up your privacy.
I'll leave those, right things

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known thing.
The normal stuff.

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How far would I go?
I don't think I would go very

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far, very far.
No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't

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take off a limb for I would not,
you wouldn't for go puberty.

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I would not, that's what the
castrati.

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Did you do?
Yeah, so I'll just start from

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the beginning.
Okay, castration, mmm.

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Kevin, I'm looking at you right
now.

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You're definitely squirming over
there next a castration.

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I'm really sorry.
Can I can already see the?

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I can just knowing the culture
of humanity.

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I can already tell why I can
already kind of.

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Figure out why that's gonna
happen.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I'm
right.

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Okay.
So you know we're used to

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castration right now.
I mean, not personally feel like

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I'm used to it, I'm used to
castrate but like, you know,

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animals you have two dogs, you
know, upstairs that have been,

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you know, been neutered will
call, you know, they're called

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castration necessarily I have a
cat who's been neutered and

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that's great because, you know,
the reason we do it is we're

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preventing man.
Animals from reproducing and

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having like earnings that the
good old puberty ends up giving

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us.
Right?

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So, you know, castration as far
as a form of enslavement goes

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back years, we're talking, you
know, ancient Sumeria castrating

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Slaves by for punishment or
means of control, right?

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Have you heard of Unix?
Yes, but I don't think I fully

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know.
Like I don't think I could fully

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Define it, but do they have Unix
on?

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What's the dragon show?
Any Game of Thrones of Thrones?

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Did they?
I feel like now you're talking

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to the wrong person.
So I watched any of those, our

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house of dragons or whatever.
Okay, got it.

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I believe they do though.
They do have a eunuch.

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Okay.
So eunuch eunuchs, were

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typically used as Harem guards,
like in the Middle East and the

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idea was like, these dudes are
not going to bother Anyone as

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far as like sex, like they're
not going to go up to the hair,

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I'm like the women in the Harem
because they don't have the need

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for.
It wasn't relevant to them

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because they've been castrated.
Yeah.

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Or they also were used and
higher as higher political

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advisors the thought behind.
That was okay.

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They don't have heirs that
they're going to try to have

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succeed them.
So it would really be a moot

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point for them, to even to even
try to take a throne be Advisor

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is powerful enough.
So they would castrate advisors

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to and this is historically,
okay?

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Right?
So they couldn't have children,

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that could take over, right,
like, heirs to place on a throne

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like, you know, typically you
have to have someone who would

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cut would be beneath, you know.
Right.

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Got it to make sure that your
power was, you know, strong and

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you stayed in power for a longer
period of time.

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But singers singers who are
castrated, okay?

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These can be traced back.
Back to Byzantine choirs,

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they're actually music pieces
pointing out like a specific

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specific voice, which was like a
castrated male.

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What is the Byzantine byzantines
like a bit?

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The Byzantine Empire?
It's just it's just a, it's an

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area, it's like an ancient area,
400 ad a civilization, okay?

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That that had, you know, it was
a great civilization Had song

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books and things.
That.

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But they also had castrated
singers and and those were all

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of the male's castrated if they
were a singer, not all of them.

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Okay, not all men.
Were castrated.

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Just specific ones.
Okay, so that was around, 400

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ad.
But but the group that I wanted

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to talk about today, are the
Italians, okay.

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Well, they're known for their
Opera, right?

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They're known for Opera but they
also make everything beautiful.

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Right?
And tasty sir.

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I know oh God, I could Ugh,
Pizza, Pasta Negroni smugly

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Auto.
So you know, if anyone could

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make a eunuch a rock star, it's
the Italians right?

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Okay.
So around the, the mid-sixteenth

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century is kind of where we
start to see the milsim, like

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the start of a male soprano, or
a fall settest as a part of a

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specific music piece, and the
pieces that I'm talking about,

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there's one called to die.
Logs upon music, which is by the

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way, it's important to note.
Women were not allowed to sing

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in and the papal region.
So like, Catholic areas women

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were not allowed to sing in
choirs.

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Go go figure.
So you couldn't have a female

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can have is high soprano?
Yeah, so you had to have a male

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castrated so we could sing high
notes or boys, right?

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So they would have the boys and
requires that could hit those

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notes before they reached pure.
Bertie.

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Yeah, so but the problem with
having these boys was that every

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time you would have a boy, you
know, he trained high enough and

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be able to hit those notes.
What would happen in three years

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they would go to puberty.
I'm going through all that

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training is just gone, so they'd
have to train another group, but

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a castrated singer from Spain.
Ended up coming to the In city

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and he could hit those high
notes and he could sustain them

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because he had like the lungs of
a grown, man, because he was a

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grown man who had been
castrated.

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There was no need to retrain
every three years.

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If you had a cow, he wasn't with
the sorry.

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Did I God?
He's castration.

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Mmm.
His castration was.

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Secondary.
I mean, it wasn't that was just

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a happenstance that wasn't why
he was singing or was.

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It was that connected?
Or is that like that's a great

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question?
Like what came first?

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Yeah, because I'm saying because
and you might be getting into it

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here in a second but I'm just
wondering if for some other

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reason he was castrated.
It just happens.

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You know there's guys that can.
Okay what's that acapella group?

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Oh, I know exactly my type.
Haha, and there's all the videos

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like, yeah, it was that that
cute guy with a little bowl

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haircut who can reach the same.
High notes.

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Is that girl can, sometimes I
can't even tell them apart,

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right?
And that's just my nature.

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Uh-huh.
It was castrated why I'm

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assuming he was incarcerated.
No.

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So I was just wondering if you
knew if that was kind of a an

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intentional thing to get him
there or yeah.

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Well, so ultimately, they
practiced a little bit more

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castration in Spain and that was
like the Moors.

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The Moors came in this way.
This is not necessarily

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something that I had researched.
I just know off the top of my

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head, oh my God, let me just
pull this knowledge out.

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So so the more is came to Spain
and it was, it was really a form

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of punishment and slavery.
So you would castrate for those

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Reasons, I'm sure what ended up
happening is you had a castrated

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person who started singing,
you're like really old or they

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were really good at singing.
Before and then they have been

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castrated.
Yeah well this guy came down to

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the Sistine Chapel and was like
hey bros check.

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Yeah yeah and he could sustain
these things, he had a great

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voice to begin with.
I mean I'm assuming he had a

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great voice to begin with, but
but you know, Roman Catholic

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folks were, you know, oh my God,
you know, because they didn't

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have men that could hit these
notes.

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You don't have that many men who
can sustain the notes for as

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long and it's not going up into
that like head voice.

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Yeah right so like when you have
which, you know, you probably

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know The better than I do.
But you have different voices,

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you can like, you know, speak
from like your diaphragm

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pressure and that's a stronger
Place.

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Yep, throat clears throat.
Do you suppose your head is

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like, if you have a heavy voice,
it's just not in.

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It can be strong, but like, it's
not as sustainable, but if you

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can hit those high notes and do
them like from like a more

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grounded place than your, you
know.

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Yeah.
Better than this makes you good.

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Yeah, so having like a male
Sopranos, not very common.

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In right?
But you see the you know, this

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guy had been castrated.
Oh cool.

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We can have great singers.
We just have to have these boys

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castrated before he makes them
not go through puberty yeah.

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We already were already putting
them through to this guy seated,

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the idea of them castrating
these boys to keep them high.

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That's kind, that's kind of
where they where they think it

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really started, right or that
the research into because we had

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like these, like castrated
singers or eunuch singers, Back

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and 400 ad.
But like, the Resurgence in

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popularity had to do with the
type of music.

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That was being sung, the operas
that were incredibly popular and

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and the fact that women couldn't
sing like all of these things

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coming together, right?
Of course, it creates a great

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great atmosphere for you know a
castrati or a castrated singer

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too, you know, rise up through.
So it becomes incredibly popular

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in Vatican City and I'm sure
that Castration, the castration,

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the castrated singers, right?
I'm sure you're dying to know

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how these men or no.
Really, boys are chosen to be a

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custard castrato and what the
process looks like, right?

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As you said, not all of the
little boy.

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Singers were castrated.
Not all of them are.

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I'm sure that you were selected
by their voice.

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Yes, that's part of it.
So we'll get into the into the,

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you know, how.
And then but also well, the, how

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of you How they actually cast,
right?

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Oh, great.
I know you're gonna have to

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breathe, but I was you some
breathing exercises over here,

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whatever?
Okay.

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So, the start of the process for
selecting the castrati, this

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would have to be done at a young
age, right?

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You can't do it once.
Somebody's already hit puberty

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or you can't do it.
Like when someone's 18, it has

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to be around the onset of
puberty or before.

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Or well, they would castrate for
other reasons after puberty, but

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for them, they were castrating
before puberty to make sustain

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The Voice rise.
Okay, to sustain that voice.

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So, there are a couple of
options are folks, who were

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chosen for that one or what?
Castration?

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Castration actual Act of doing
yes.

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Oh God to become a cock
castrati.

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One I just okay, I feel so
stupid.

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What I just realized what
castrati means instead of set it

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for me.
What that is.

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So there's two, there's two
terms, right?

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Castrati and castrato ones.
Plural ones, you know, singular,

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sure.
It's a castrated male, singer

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whole.
Oh, I thought it was the person

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that was doing the castration.
No, it's a singer who have been

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castrated than Yorick castrati.
Uh-huh.

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And if you're part of that
group, your accursed Rado, part

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of my various treated group
reverse, I am a castrato, I am

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with castrati has.
Yeah.

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Got it.
Yes, got it.

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Okay, so The way that they would
select would be one, you are a

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talented voicing like you were
saying okay they're showing

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Talent, you know we want to be
able to use this voice because

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he's a killer you know he's one
in a million that you don't find

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them very often to you're an
orphan.

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Wait.
You're saying if you're an

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orphan, your castrated, or
you're saying, if you're an

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orphan singer, if you're an
orphan, in you're willing to

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sing and be castrated, oh,
you're an orphan and you want to

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sing we're going to castrate you
in hopes that you're going to

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keep this.
Yeah.

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And then and the the poor orphan
singer, right?

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Or not.
Depending I mean I mean yes but

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typically you'd have to be have
to be able to carry a note.

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They're not going to just have
someone who's like yeah morning.

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Stretches.
You can maybe saying.

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Yeah.
Hey, hey, hey, little Oliver

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like that is a crossing.
My mind.

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Pour off.
Rouse Oliver's asking for some

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food.
Well, let's castrate you and see

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if you can sing how bad do you
really want that head?

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Yeah.
Yeah, right.

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But I mean, kind of kind of it
is like, you know, these kids

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are up against it, they don't
have a future, they don't have

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prospects like, you know, they
have to make a decision pretty

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quick.
The third option is that, you

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know, you were poor, right?
So you don't necessarily have to

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be an an orphan.
You could just be really poor

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and honestly like between the
talent, the poor the orphan.

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It was often a mix of these.
These things that these boys

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were so, yeah, very rarely.
Do you have a ridge?

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A rich cat?
There were some.

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There were some but not very
often and if you do you happen

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to know of the rich kids that
were castrato toes.

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Yeah.
Why were they?

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Because they wanted to maintain
Everyone likes like, you know

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how like those people are like,
you know, intense.

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It's I'm just doing it for the
art, you know?

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Like for sure.
I'm really have.

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I can do anything I want I can
do anything.

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I want like this is, this is
like, this is my my purpose in

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life, Mom and Dad.
Yeah, you know, like like kind

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of like that but there was one
guy who was like that and his

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aunt or someone like gifted him
to Vineyards, which he basically

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lived off the money for that and
was able to just pursue his His

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dreams as a castrati, you know,
just so stupid, right?

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It's choosing to be, I'm
choosing ah, yeah, I'm so

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avant-garde, like you just don't
understand me.

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I need, you know, it's like shut
the fuck up.

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You got your balls cut off, and
you're rich.

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Okay.
You like, like, you're really

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not.
Oh my God.

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You just think of the people
nowadays that do just stupid

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shit, because they're rich.
Exactly.

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I like to kind of almost ruined
boys Island Boys.

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You know that.
Boys know, what island, boys.

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Oh my God, you've got a tick,
tock these guys, and they're

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like, okay, I'm just leave it at
that.

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Everyone in the audience
Tick-Tock Island, Boys, okay,

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and then come back to me.
Come back.

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Okay, so a little bit, where was
I?

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Oh yeah.
So, you know, we have these

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boys, they're either skilled
singers and their and, or

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they're poor or both and working
working as a singer for the

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Catholic Church gives them.
A means to actually earn money,

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whether it's the Catholic church
or even the Opera, right?

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So these boys they're forced to
make a decision relatively quick

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and one that's going to affect
the rest of their life.

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Y'all like, yeah.
It's like a huge huge.

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Yeah.
You're gonna be exactly what I

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wanted.
Exactly what I was like, thank

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you.
And I was like, what am I going

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to have to?
I have to do this topic.

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Kevin, you're giving me all the
reactions I was looking for.

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So at 13, I was not in my right
mind to know what is it

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decision.
Like that means.

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I don't know about you.
Kevin would you have had any

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kind of idea of what that was
even like, as a child 13 being a

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castrati?
I mean, look, you're up against

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it making a decision like that.
Okay, I'm going to either beep

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or the for the rest of my life
or have my balls.

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Oh my God.
Sound, when you put it like

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that.
I'll be I'll be honest if if it

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was a choice.
Yeah.

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Probably was my boss.
Well, yeah.

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Because you're like, I'm not
eating.

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I'm not like, I don't have a, I
don't have anything like a roof

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over my head.
Yeah, I can potentially sing and

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they're willing to pay for me to
go to I like school and stuff

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like that, and you want balls.
You're my boss, got take them

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especially at that age because
I'm not entirely sure.

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I would even know, I would care.
Yes.

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You know what I mean?
You don't have like those

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feelings.
Yeah.

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Really not sending some kids do
but most kids, I don't think do

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all the maybe now they do but
whatever.

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Yeah, I just don't, I just
don't.

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Yeah, I think I would have done
it.

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I think are done at.
Yeah, I think I think that it

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would.
It's for us to sit here and just

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be like, oh yeah, there's no way
like we I would never do that.

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Like, I don't think.
That you people understand being

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really up against it.
Oh, like in abject poverty

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rightly, and that'll make you,
you know, make you have just

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been on the edge.
I've not been homeless, but I've

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been like, but fucking ass
broke.

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Yeah, every day of my life for a
good long while and it Sucks.

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It totally sucks.
And so I get it like being home

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was like, you know, you won't
see those movies where they

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portray.
Those people that are just

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really bad.
Obviously, every day, that

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sounds so mean if they're truly
doubt.

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Yeah.
You can't judge viable for

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decide and their children.
Yeah.

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You don't have anyone else to
support you or help?

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You talk to understand things.
Or what if you even have

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parents, who are like, we're
really poor.

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Yeah.
You're a good singer.

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Yeah, the church or like this
group is willing to give us

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money and that's how the rest of
your family is going to eat.

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Exactly.
Like you can I don't think you

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can blame these kids for of me
making the air for making that

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decision.
There was actually you know, a

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quote by this guy.
Now, excuse me, I'm really bad

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at pronunciation with like for
Italian.

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Well yeah, for names in general,
so go read.

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Ooh, birthday.
Which was a great.

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Cre karate.
Oh, I don't know, Grazie, I

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think that's probably at Uber
theory.

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He is a music dude, in 1630 this
quote that he said, kind of

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talks about that process.
The thought process of like, the

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parents, the children, these
people who are kind of

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manipulating potentially these,
these boys.

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So he says, I rage against
certain inhuman, people.

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And Unworthy of the name,
father, and master, who in the

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Hope of some profit try to
ensure that their children

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accustomed to singing with a
pleasing voice.

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Do not lose it as they grow up.
Thus subjecting them to bonds to

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Cuts in order to make them
profitable for themselves and

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useless for to the work of
nature.

453
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,100
I hear.
I hear that sure. but like we

454
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:29,400
just said a minute ago, it's
easy to, it's easy for this dude

455
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,300
to say I wasn't easy for him to
say, that's the bottom line.

456
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,800
But you do have some parents who
are like, oh yeah, we can use

457
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,100
some extra cash.
Hey, you know, fabrizzio or

458
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,400
whatever.
You're a decent singer.

459
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,200
We need a paycheck.
You know, the stage parents

460
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,300
today, right?
Like, you have stage parents or

461
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,600
like child actors, who have gone
through fucking hell and have

462
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,800
basically paid for their
families.

463
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,500
Yeah, you know, like singer, see
things like Yeah.

464
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,800
Who you know parents willingly?
Take advantage of them.

465
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,100
Oh my God, these parents.
Yeah yeah.

466
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:07,300
So I could see both sides.
Yeah I did and but I do think

467
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,400
it's easy to it's easy to say
that Europe.

468
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,400
Taking advantage and doing awful
things on your benefit.

469
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:18,900
Yeah, yeah, it's really super
easy.

470
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:25,800
So, One thing that I think is
probably we haven't gone over

471
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,200
yet those useful.
So you can't wear your you know,

472
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,300
earmuffs or anything like that.
You have to listen to this.

473
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,000
How did they castrate these?
Boys?

474
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,000
Be ready.
Okay, oh God, oh God.

475
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,700
Okay, wait, so do you know how
they say?

476
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:46,500
I think this is how they do
cows.

477
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,400
Do you know how to do, carrots?
Don't they put like a rubber

478
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,600
band?
Yes.

479
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:51,300
Okay.
Okay.

480
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:57,900
Explain and please, so they I
can't even imagine.

481
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,400
So they take, they just they
take the band, they just tie it

482
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,900
really tight like a rubber band
on the top.

483
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:15,100
But right above the balls on the
sack and they just I really

484
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:18,000
tight and it eventually because
Cuts cutting off the

485
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,600
circulation.
Yeah and eventually they just

486
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:32,400
Fall off like these pastures of
just like all those look like a

487
00:27:32,408 --> 00:27:33,800
prune.
Nope, it's not.

488
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,400
Not prunes.
So that's right.

489
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,900
I'm my mom was this show and I'm
frightened to say this but Mom

490
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:42,700
just fast forward a couple
minutes.

491
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:48,600
Yeah.
So Okay, we're all adults.

492
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,600
Hopefully listing real do.
Yeah.

493
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Okay, I think so.
Okay.

494
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:54,800
I am.
I hope so.

495
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,800
Yeah, you should be an adult.
You should be.

496
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,700
So you know, there's times when
you do stuff, right right.

497
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:06,300
Thank you crazy.
Gillo cry.

498
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,400
Just try some stuff of course
yeah and let me just say yes me

499
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,600
no likey okay you know what you
like and There's definitely

500
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,200
something, you'd only some
things, I don't, let's just

501
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,700
leave it at that.
So, this conversation that

502
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,900
you're about to say is gonna be
a little uncomfortable.

503
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,100
Okay.
Well, okay, as you today,

504
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:35,300
uh-huh.
Maybe if you were younger, like

505
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,800
you said, you wouldn't really
give a shit whatever.

506
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,700
Okay, so, how did they castrate?
So, ultimately, we're talking

507
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:47,100
typically boys with good voices.
Were taken back to a Back street

508
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,100
art, like a back street, like,
Barber surgeon, you know, think

509
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:52,000
of Sweeney Todd.
Yeah.

510
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,100
Yeah, Queenie Todd.
But like, your parents asked him

511
00:28:56,100 --> 00:29:00,400
to do this to you, just like
killing him, you know.

512
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,000
So he takes these boys are
placed in a super hot bath with

513
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,200
special herbs and spices and
their doped up on opium because

514
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,600
there is no like, you know,
anesthesia at that time.

515
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Gotcha.
They're all fucked up on opium.

516
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Yeah, in this.
Ali.

517
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,100
Hot bath and take a deep breath.
Kevin.

518
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,100
Obviously, put them in a hot
bath.

519
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800
While high on opium.
They're all fucked up on opium.

520
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Yeah.
Super high.

521
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Okay.
Oh no.

522
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:27,500
Okay.
Okay, breathing.

523
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,800
Okay.
Yes, I'm breathing.

524
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,900
The barber would then squash the
testicles and remove them by

525
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:37,300
slitting.
The groin, and severing the

526
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,900
spermatic cord.
Okay.

527
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,500
You okay over there, huh?
Okay.

528
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:51,600
So in its Heyday in Italy 4,000
boys would be castrated a year.

529
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,400
Okay, so we have to go back for
a sec.

530
00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:03,200
Yes, go back.
So are the tests I hmm, like

531
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:12,100
gone or are they just severing
the thing that connects the The

532
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,400
gym, you know, allows the sperm
to pass through.

533
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,800
That's a great question is.
Well, the, the testicles are

534
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,400
removed.
They are removed.

535
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,700
Yeah.
So they're there because they

536
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:29,000
just like Lego, they slipped the
groin, take the testicles out,

537
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,200
take that spermatic and like,
and that severs the spermatic

538
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,300
cord.
Uh-huh.

539
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,700
Yeah, they just so back up
myself, back up, goddamn and I'm

540
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:42,200
sure that like sometimes, you
know, it Wouldn't work or wasn't

541
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,400
done.
Well, maybe it was done.

542
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,500
Slightly different.
Do you think they knew how did

543
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,200
they know what they were doing?
Well, this had been a practice,

544
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,900
like ultimately it had really
been a practice since like

545
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:55,200
ancient ancient times this is
probably one surgery.

546
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200
They had down pat yeah yeah.
Out of all the surgeries this

547
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,300
was like okay it's only your
balls as not like severing a

548
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:06,000
limb.
It's like super, super easy.

549
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,400
Quick incision, you know, not
okay.

550
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,800
But also there B-boy Latonya not
even mine, sorry to interrupt

551
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,800
again.
But the, these boys were just

552
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,600
high.
They weren't they were, um, no.

553
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,300
They weren't unconscious.
No, I'm assuming the shit had to

554
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,800
hurt like an effort when you
think about it.

555
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,700
Like one thing I thought, like
maybe it was a hot enough bath,

556
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,000
you wouldn't be able to feel
anything.

557
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,700
Yeah.
What was the hot bath about?

558
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,000
While the hot bath was?
I think it was like like anti

559
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,800
septic with the, the herbs and
spices and stuff was to kind of

560
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,200
make sure that there are super
Clean when the surgery was done.

561
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:45,700
That's what I assumed.
Maybe it was also a relaxation

562
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:50,400
technique, but one would think
that you would use cold water or

563
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,100
like something, you know, that
would kind of numb the areas of

564
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,600
or have was happening.
What was about to happen.

565
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,900
I mean, I'm sure that there are
cases where they didn't know,

566
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,600
but yeah, a lot of them would go
and knowing that they were going

567
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,400
to be castrated.
Yeah.

568
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,900
And and not, everyone is like,
you know, when we're talking

569
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,200
about that time, infection was
rampant.

570
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,500
So it's like, not everyone would
survive this You know, not

571
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,100
everyone would survive.
There were awful infections

572
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,600
people to know that you're
supposed to clean things, you

573
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,600
know, I'm sure that they started
doing the baths just because

574
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800
they saw that that was helpful
for the majority but didn't

575
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,500
really understand germs the way
that we understand them today.

576
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,200
So you know the thought of like
keeping things clean and like

577
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,100
you know using antiseptic and
using he was porn or something

578
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,300
like that.
Goodbye to Benito.

579
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,800
Spawns on the market like nah.
Nah.

580
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,400
That stuff.
It was like, I thought so.

581
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,500
So, some of these boys would
die, right?

582
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,900
Like, not all of them would
survive, you know?

583
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,900
One.
And you know of those 4,000,

584
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,600
boys, that would be castrated a
year.

585
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,600
Not all 4,000 of them would
become famous.

586
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,000
We're talking about a small
amount of people of those 4,000

587
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,800
a year that would even become
opera singers.

588
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,300
So, the others, the others would
one.

589
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,900
Hopefully they survived the
actual surgery, right?

590
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,200
And then too, Their option was
singing in a church choir.

591
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Otherwise you're out of luck.
Like what?

592
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,800
If your you go through this
whole process?

593
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,300
And then I like, yeah, you're
not good enough.

594
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:24,300
So now you have to like, just
live as a castrated person.

595
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,000
Sorry about it.
Yeah, yeah.

596
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,900
I read about it, sorry.
You know, you didn't really make

597
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,700
the cut.
You're like I did make the cut.

598
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:41,400
Oh, the cut is made, it was it's
their sad.

599
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,000
So you know, that was only the
start of these, you know,

600
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,400
potential kiss castrato.
You know careers these boys were

601
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
in intensive music
conservatories where you know

602
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,600
they would study singing
performing Annunciation reading

603
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,900
music, you name it and that shit
is exhausting, okay?

604
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Yeah I mean that was they were
doing this For their career,

605
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,400
right?
Is so it was like there.

606
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,300
Yeah, it was our job.
So they were so they were, they

607
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,400
were doing this probably, you
know, every hour of every day

608
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,100
that they were awake and when
their focus was getting them to

609
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,199
be good.
Yeah.

610
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:23,000
Yeah, they live side, be
grueling it had to be grilling

611
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000
and these were these were long,
grueling days, like they lived

612
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
and breathed music.
So it's not like, they were like

613
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,300
living, you know, unless you
became famous then maybe

614
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:32,900
eventually start living a nice
life.

615
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:36,000
But like, this was not the
Luxury this, these were people

616
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,000
who were desperate to make it
work and we had really risked,

617
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,300
it all in the name of, you know,
a career, singing career.

618
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,300
Yeah.
So a couple of famous castrato,

619
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,400
I thought that we had talked
about Farhan Ellie was of very

620
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,300
famous one.
At the time, he actually sing in

621
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,500
London and women were heard
squealing after his performance

622
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:03,200
squealing one, God, one
farinelli, and long live, the

623
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,600
knife, the Blessed knife, okay.
Jesus Christ, man.

624
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Other words.
Thank you for castrating your

625
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,400
balls off.
Yeah.

626
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Like thank God for that fucking
knife.

627
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,500
That took your balls out, you
know, like which is where the

628
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,800
the title of this episode comes
from is from that, you know,

629
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,200
that swooning.
It was like it was honestly like

630
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,900
the Beatles and Elvis.
Yeah.

631
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,900
Yeah.
Early Elvis or or the Beatles

632
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,300
Invasion only he was forced into
being castrated.

633
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:30,800
Right?
So you know these men, there

634
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,800
were a lot of social issues for
the Not all of them were treated

635
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,500
like rock stars right?
Not all of them became operatic,

636
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:41,800
famous singers.
That was the minority.

637
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:46,700
They were social outcasts and
accused of, you know, awful

638
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,900
things like, you know,
infidelity or like, you know,

639
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:53,900
trying to, you know, trying to
tempt men and being homosexuals.

640
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,300
There are seen, you know, really
is Outsiders within the

641
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,600
community.
Nobody like, maybe because they

642
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,300
are these like artists who did
this like, They're kind of

643
00:36:04,308 --> 00:36:06,800
fucking weirdos.
They're seen outside of the

644
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,200
actual culture, they weren't
really embraced aside from their

645
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,600
singing skills and probably a
lot of them didn't have a

646
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,200
choice.
No, and do you think you The

647
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,200
Catholics.
Do you think the Catholics were

648
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,400
were doing this to these people
even though?

649
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:27,100
It was in their religion.
Do you think they were behaving

650
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,400
this way?
Or do you think it was people

651
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,700
outside of the religion that
we're treating them this way?

652
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:34,400
Oh everyone.
I mean, if you think of the

653
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,500
folks who knew that they were,
why they were doing it?

654
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,700
Yeah.
No.

655
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:40,600
I mean, yeah, they're probably
sitting there like, of course.

656
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,500
Anyway, it's like the Tale As
Old As Time.

657
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,700
These people who are like, oh
well, you know, you're morally

658
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:52,200
like, you know, because you got
your balls cut off your, there's

659
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,500
something wrong with you.
And like, instead of Like having

660
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,100
compassion, like a Christian
should, and that's like what

661
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:01,900
their gods as right.
That's the exact opposite.

662
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,300
They would they would pass
judgment on them and it was

663
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:06,000
something they didn't really
understand.

664
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,800
So, you know, they would be
social outcasts, which is really

665
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:17,500
fucking sad, right?
So in 1587 Pope sixtus actually

666
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:21,600
outlawed marriage for the
castrati because there's no

667
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,900
there was no purpose for family,
right?

668
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,800
Like almost to the only purpose
for marriage is propagation

669
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,900
exactly.
And so since you can't do that

670
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,700
there is no need for you to
marry somebody.

671
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,200
There's no need for you to marry
someone and the pope you're

672
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,100
seeing the pope.
Did that the pope did ya?

673
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:42,600
Pope sixtus. 62 said, we cut off
your balls, huh?

674
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,800
We're going to cut off your
balls.

675
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,400
I'm sanctioning cutting off your
balls.

676
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,500
Yeah.
And by the way now you have no

677
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:50,700
rights to marry anyone.
Yes, we cut off your balls.

678
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:54,300
We really want to hear you in
our choirs but like aside.

679
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:55,800
From rights.
Like you don't have any other

680
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,800
item like I mean yeah sorry
because like like there's no

681
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,100
reason like even if you fall in
love with someone which is

682
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:04,000
possible, right?
You don't need balls to fall in

683
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
love.
Yeah you just need like a brain

684
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,900
so it's disgusting.
It's super disgusting.

685
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,500
So you know it was out, it was
outlawed for them so they were

686
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,400
once again it's just kind of
shows you that like how they

687
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,200
were outside of the the social.
They were social pariahs really

688
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,200
people the time actually saw the
issues of having Straw tea and

689
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,700
pushed Pope Benedict, in 1748 to
Outlaw the barbaric practice of

690
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,900
castration for these boys.
So instead of straight up like

691
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:38,100
outlying it.
As he actually reiterated some

692
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,500
prohibitions against amputating
body parts except in the cases

693
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:46,100
of like medical necessity.
So he's like people like, hey,

694
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,500
you need to, like, you know,
stop doing castration.

695
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,500
These castrati, like shouldn't
be in your choirs.

696
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,000
It's wrong.
It's barbaric.

697
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,700
He said, yeah.
Yeah.

698
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:56,900
I hear you.
I hear you.

699
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:03,200
It's really not good to amputate
different body Limbs and stuff

700
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:12,700
mic drop.
That's not, you missed the whole

701
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,400
point, okay?
You missed the whole point

702
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Benedict.
What the fuck?

703
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,700
So, you know the Ultimately like
what you kind of see from that

704
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:28,400
is like, okay these Catholic
choirs it's a necessity for them

705
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,200
to have male Sopranos in there.
Okay, fine, whatever, cool.

706
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:35,300
Okay, how about you?
Let the fuck women?

707
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,300
Sing Bingo?
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:44,100
It's like do as I say, not as I
do like, yeah, castrati are bad.

709
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,100
We love him in our and acquired,
it's infuriating.

710
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:54,300
Yeah.
In France, they were disgusted

711
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,200
by this practice.
Of course, they would be

712
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,300
Frenchie's.
So Jean Jacques Rousseau is

713
00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,200
quoted in 1768 in the dictionary
of Music.

714
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,100
Saying in Italy, there are
fathers so cruel as to sacrifice

715
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:11,200
nature to Fortune and submit
their children to this operation

716
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,800
of castration.
So now.

717
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,800
Okay, they're saying yeah, no,
no we're not doing castration

718
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,400
the castrati.
The church is saying the

719
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,400
castrati that we have now.
This was medical necessity.

720
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,100
Okay, so let me tell you a
couple of been medical

721
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,700
Necessities that occur.
Oh sure.

722
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Okay, so far finale, there are
far finale, the one that I was

723
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,100
talking about before.
Well, he fell off of a horse.

724
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,500
Oh, which is why he was
castrated.

725
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:44,800
Oh pretty common.
Sure.

726
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Yeah.
And then another one, a Dominico

727
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,500
Mustafa was bitten by a wild
boar in his balls.

728
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,800
Sweetie can stream.
I mean, like really nature was

729
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,100
doing it for us, like, like the
wild boar really castrate.

730
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,400
We didn't do it right?
We just won't be playing real

731
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,200
good.
Yeah.

732
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,700
Oh my God.
Yeah, we've actually been

733
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,800
teaching him for a while.
He just had a mishap with a wild

734
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,800
boar like so fucking stupid.
So moving forward and the 19th

735
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,100
century, you know, that silly
little ban on women singing.

736
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:22,500
Uh-huh.
It was over.

737
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:26,300
Returned in the Catholic stage
which is are those people states

738
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:30,800
that you know, and I was when
was this the 19th century 1900?

739
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,300
Okay, so so now we have the
people really questioning why

740
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,700
there is even a need or a want
for castrati.

741
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:41,100
At this point those soprano
voices that there are looking

742
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:45,300
for women can naturally sing.
Yeah, be the.

743
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,300
Yeah, so the popularity of the
castrati, really we aimed.

744
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,500
There were still some roles in
operas, you know, specifically,

745
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,900
Written for castrati.
Because that's that was really

746
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:57,300
what it was was like there were
a lot of really famous operas

747
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,800
where you need to talk about the
mail, great shot for men that

748
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,900
could sing high, right.
But but at that time right you

749
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,000
that's hard to find.
It's hard to find just in

750
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,700
general.
Yeah.

751
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:11,800
So the there were still rolls in
those operas, but 1824 was when

752
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,700
the final role for a specific
like for castrati has been

753
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:18,300
called out for Castro.
Yeah, was composed.

754
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:23,000
So and then I kind of talked
about like, the last Otto.

755
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000
And that's Alessandro more Ashy.
And once again I'm sorry I don't

756
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,300
know if I can.
All right, is he Italian?

757
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,200
He is Italian.
Yes and when you look up

758
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,800
castrato online like that just
the Search terms, he's the first

759
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,300
one to come up and I'm sure
you're wondering what Alessandro

760
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:47,000
sounded like I know that I did
when I went wandering this whole

761
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
time.
Yeah like what is the blank?

762
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,100
I hear a thought.
I hear it in my head but I'm I

763
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:55,100
don't know.
No, so before I actually even

764
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:59,400
hit play, I want to just warn
folks to turn down the audio.

765
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,800
Slightly little high.
It can be just a little bit

766
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,400
high, so sure, I'm so here we
go.

767
00:43:06,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Here's Alessandro, okay.
A lot it's a lot so I'm gonna

768
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,000
put on my Simon Cowell has oh
yeah please do.

769
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,100
Please do the black v-neck and
everything.

770
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:26,700
Yeah white turtle we had some
good vibrato.

771
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:29,300
Yes, a note.
There was really some nice

772
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:34,200
steady vibrato and there was a
note it was funny.

773
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:42,700
Huh?
It was so not good.

774
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:47,000
Yeah, I mean I don't think that
was good like I don't know,

775
00:44:47,008 --> 00:44:50,900
maybe I'm just used to the
Adele's and the celine's and the

776
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,500
Ariana's that I'm like, was
that?

777
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,300
But yeah.
And maybe back then, it was

778
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:58,900
great.
But um, gosh.

779
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Well and of course, I get the
high notes now because that's

780
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,800
what I was picturing in my head.
Yes.

781
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Yes, yes, yes.
Super high.

782
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,800
No Hooper.
Hi.

783
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,100
Hmm.
But can you have that was part

784
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,700
of the castration.
Well, yes, I'm sorry.

785
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,100
Get I remember it was here
yesterday before or after

786
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:18,500
puberty before before, puberty
had like one of those like wild

787
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:20,700
boar incidents where he like
fell off the horse right now.

788
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:29,800
Because that's why do you think
because we can't know this but

789
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,600
do you think that he just
happened to be like?

790
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,700
Well, okay, so that is something
that that did come up.

791
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,100
They said well maybe he actually
had like some kind of internal

792
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:42,400
hernia which caused him to have
to get Don't really know for

793
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,500
sure why he was castrated.
He was a singer though in Rome.

794
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:51,400
And they I think he, they call
him something like the angel of,

795
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,200
you know, of Rome or something
like that, Vatican or whatever.

796
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,100
Like his voice could have just
been a naturally.

797
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,500
His vocal cords were such that
he was just a naturally High

798
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:04,100
singer.
Anyway, or do you think the know

799
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:08,300
he was pretty prevented him?
I, I think it definitely helped

800
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,800
him because the whole idea
behind the car.

801
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Strata was like you have these
really high notes and these men

802
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,000
who have huge lungs like of of a
man like yeah, he's huge broad

803
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,200
chests.
Yeah.

804
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,300
But it's the vocal cords of do
that and I just find it and I

805
00:46:25,308 --> 00:46:27,200
could be wrong.
I'm not a medical person.

806
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,800
The I don't think your balls.
Create the testosterone that are

807
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400
actually helping you do that.
I don't think the semen is the

808
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,400
key.
So to say that cutting off your

809
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,200
balls, changes stops your vocal.
Hordes from expanding or

810
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,700
whatever it does to give you
those lower voice.

811
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:48,600
Yeah I just I don't I'm not
buying it.

812
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,800
Well it is a I mean it is a
thing, you're not guy that guy

813
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,200
did have I don't know.
I think there are probably other

814
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,400
ways to do it, but this was a
way that they did it.

815
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,900
Yeah.
So you know I I mean he was the

816
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:04,600
last castrato.
Okay.

817
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,600
And he was the only one.
That's been recorded.

818
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,600
That's why I like, you know,
really?

819
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,800
Yeah.
So this is the The only castrato

820
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,600
who has actually been recorded
probably because that's it would

821
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,500
died off really time when they
could start recording was exact

822
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,800
time when he was alive.
Yeah.

823
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,500
So I like also thinking about
it.

824
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,000
I'm like, was he as good as some
of these other ones like, far

825
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,700
finale?
That's what I was thinking,

826
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,700
killing us because we're like,
way way better.

827
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,000
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that like
like, you know, for people to be

828
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,400
swooning and like beatlemania
like they had like amazing

829
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,900
voices.
I wouldn't say that

830
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:41,200
Alessandro's, I think that he
had a nice voice but I mean Like

831
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,100
my head kind of past pounding
just from hearing.

832
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,200
Look, I don't think I can watch
on to that for very long.

833
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,600
No, I couldn't.
I be like, yeah, but I mean,

834
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,500
also, you're thinking about it
when you see it if you're in a

835
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:55,100
big if you're in, this is a
chapel and it's like there's

836
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,800
Acoustics and stuff like that
because everything.

837
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:02,800
Yeah so I actually have like a
description and we'll have some

838
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,500
images like will have links to
images and the show notes but

839
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,600
his expect this was a quote from
somebody who knew him.

840
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,800
So his External appearance
differs little from that of a

841
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,500
you from that usual for a
singer.

842
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,200
He's a medium or rather small
stature.

843
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,600
He is like a his likeable face
is completely beardless.

844
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,600
His chest, remarkably Broad and
Powerful.

845
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:28,700
His speaking voice has a
metallic quality.

846
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:33,200
Yeah, I could hear that metallic
quality listening about like a

847
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,600
very high speaking tenor.
Khatma can click his voice and

848
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,800
demeanor make a youthful
impression.

849
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,600
Forced by his Lively
conversation, which add to the

850
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,300
altogether, Charming picture
that this singer presents now,

851
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,400
Alessandro died in 1922.
And with that was the last

852
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,400
planned castrato.
Now, whether or not there have

853
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,000
been people who have been
chemically castrated.

854
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,600
That's, you know, I've heard
stories of that, yeah, to retain

855
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:07,100
their vocal, like vocal, You
Know, chords in high notes, not

856
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:09,100
show.
But that's kind of the story of

857
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,200
the, of the castrato.
Oh, the Blessed knife.

858
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,000
And by the way, I just want to
point out, I didn't mention this

859
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,300
before.
If people aren't watching when

860
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,600
Alicia played that clip, she had
a picture.

861
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,900
Oh yeah.
Alessandro Alessandro.

862
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:22,800
Huh.
The final one?

863
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Yeah.
Yes.

864
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,700
You can.
You can watch that.

865
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:27,600
We have a.
We have YouTube and we also have

866
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,600
on Spotify.
Yeah.

867
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,900
The ones all of them.
Yeah.

868
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:34,900
So I thought that I would just
clean our the dust off of this

869
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:36,700
sign in our bizarre area for
world.

870
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:40,600
But the fact that it even
fucking existed is kind of

871
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,000
insane.
Shane, yes, yeah, yes, it's

872
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,700
crazy.
Yes, you think well, that's what

873
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,500
I am when I said before is like,
oh, I think I know why they

874
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,400
castrated people.
And is exactly why I thought

875
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,300
they did what you did.
What you ended up saying?

876
00:49:55,300 --> 00:50:00,000
I was right.
Because people are, they don't

877
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,900
know, it's just things that we
do.

878
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,400
Let me just put it that way.
The things humans do.

879
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,700
Are so effing bizarre,
sometimes.

880
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:21,200
What and why, why why?
I mean, why not, I'd say that's

881
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,400
probably the idea is, why not?
I I've always been fascinated by

882
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,900
castrati and castrato singers.
Like when I found out that it

883
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,600
was a thing I was like, whoa,
what?

884
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,900
This is so weird and it was like
such a popular thing for so

885
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:40,100
long, you know, and these poor
people who did this, you know,

886
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:44,700
you just have To feel for him.
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,900
I definitely for the ones who
feel like they've, maybe they

888
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:49,500
had no choice or there were
forced into it.

889
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,100
Yeah, yeah.
That's it's sad.

890
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,700
It's really sad.
Yeah, I guess.

891
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,000
Yeah.
There's so much there's so much.

892
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,200
Brain is like, just like yeah,
running through all this stuff.

893
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,800
What?
I didn't even know about them.

894
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,700
So yeah, just say that you've
enlightened me, didn't even

895
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:10,200
know.
I didn't realize this such a

896
00:51:10,208 --> 00:51:11,700
thing.
Did you learn something new

897
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,500
every day?
Something new everyday go home.

898
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,700
So you know, I guess I'm this is
where I just say, you know,

899
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,000
thank you for today.
Thank you.

900
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,400
And one thing I will say is, do
us a favor and keep all your

901
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,600
body parts intact.
Let's keep our body part please,

902
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,200
we have them for a reason.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

903
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,000
Unless unless it's, unless of
wild boar comes in, like tears

904
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,100
it off.
Then yeah, then you can have the

905
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:43,700
rest of it taken off.
Thanks for the story.

906
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,400
Thank you fun until next time
enjoyed.

907
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,300
Yeah, there's cheers man.