The Curse of the Titanic and Inequities

0:01 Ahoy if you're tuned in now, you are listening to the bizarre AF, a place where we talked about the strange, the unusual, the unknown, and all things bizarre, a AF, I'm Alicia your host for today's episode and as always, we ask that you keep an open mind, keep a skeptical ear, but keep on listening to the facts. As we take you, on our newest Journey, the curse of the Titanic. And inequity.

1:03 Well, a whole I'm 80. Kevin, how are you sailor? I'm doing great boy. You look so nice and Americana. Yeah, very Americana. I love it because our destination is America. I mean, you're right you're very right. Ultimately ultimately. Yes of course our destiny is yeah. Yeah our destination not our destiny. I guess our destiny now is. Yeah. Oh yeah. I just love dressing up for this episode. See, that's the thing. Like that's one of the highlights of the day. Yeah. You get to get him costume, like you're going on stage, which is yes, if you are tuned.

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3:22 So you know if you are living under a rock Ocean gay as a company that had the submersible they would have like you know people would Would pay to go and see the Titanic wreckage. So they'd go down. It's called Ocean Gate. The company's called Ocean Gate. I know I'm somewhat. So here's what's funny is like when you would hear, if you would hear that, after the fact, you would go like, oh, it's like, what is that Watergate? Or it's like some Scandal? Yes, it sounds like a scandal. Like it's like that store that like, like, like the truth is even more bizarre than Yeah, and then anything, you could ever dream up and that's exactly what this is, like this company. You know, was so we're selling these tickets for a half deep, any to go down and take a look at, you know, the wreckage of an awful.

4:18 You know, the thing that had happened, you know, over a hundred years ago, ultimately. Yeah. Like real life is much more bizarre than any fictitious story. Like the Titanic can be an I what I Ali wanted to talk about Ocean Gate and specifically about you know the idea of curses surrounding the area. So, Okay. Kevin, would you ever go to pay to see the wreckage of the Titanic? That would be an absolute no and to the a, to the 0.

5:00 So okay, we even if I was a billionaire. Ian are really have zero interest in doing something. So, On tested, right. Okay, yeah, I'm not. I mean I do feel like I must somewhat of a risky person. Like I'll do risky things. Sure, I mean mildly risky things. Yeah. But things have done like billions of times risky. Not like I have no desire to be 12,000 feet and under water in the thing that can implode. Yeah.

5:44 With no leg room BTW, right? You have to set crisscross applesauce. One person I think in stretch out at a time. Yes. And like that just has zero interest. I have zero interest. Now, I'm not, I'm not I'm not dissing anyone who has interest in it. Good for you Explorer, blah, blah, blah, but I could just no good for you. If you're going hopefully you're intelligent enough to, I don't know, maybe do a little bit of research, like what are what is the fucking submersible like actually even made out of? I don't know. It's like, you know, I heard someone compare it to Flying.

6:25 Someone has to fly a plane for the first time. Yes. Someone has to go into Mars for the first time some. Yep. So I can. I guess it's that. It's the exploration. Okay. Yes. But James Cameron dead at. people have already done it, it has been done and then it's like, it's like, I don't know, this is gonna sound really shitty and maybe you have one of these do you have a tech vest in your like like Oh my God, the look like Kevin just tell you do. Okay, okay. But like remember when techfest came out there like, oh my God, these are so cool. Like you can have your arms free and like its fleece and like it has pockets.

7:11 And I'm like, okay, maybe the first person you saw wearing it, you're like, oh that's really cool. But now when people wear them you're like, okay, you're it's not cool anymore. Indium people already done it, it's been done, like it's not interesting. So, Anyways, I don't know, I kind of think about that but as of the recording, as of, you know, when we're recording this, they have found the submersible. It was, you know, it did implode like you had had hit into that. And everyone is believed to be paired to have perished. They believe that what, you know, ultimately, what had happened was, you know, there was a malfunctioning. Yeah, carbon yes. The carbon fiber Hull? Yeah.

7:54 Yes, they were saying that. Over time and someone had been a whistleblower on that, right? And they have Yad look. I am think that we don't know, but it could be that when you have defects and slowly over time, those could get worse and worse, and worse, and worse, and worse. Yeah. And here. That's just what happened? Yeah. Like, it's going to be fine on the first time after the fourth or fifth. Yeah. But then like the more and more, you use it. It's becoming more and more storms and it's breaking down and your hat. You have So much, you know, pressure? Yeah, I can't. Imagine know. So back to your question in to the oh, Kevin. So what I'm guessing is that you would never do this Kevin never. Okay.

8:45 So, wait, wait. Yes. What would you? Oh yeah, um, in this no one I'm just saying like if someone said, hey, Alicia and Money Was No Object. Money Was No Object and you and they said Lisha, there's a once-in-a-lifetime chance. You can see the Titanic. Just a handful of people have seen it. Yes, we're going to let you go see this Titanic. 13,000, feet under the water, something you're interested in. Okay, nothing's ever free.

9:27 The first thing, I would be like, what am I supposed to be doing in order to get this? Like, what is it that you owe me? 250 thousand dollars. That's what I want. Yeah, no, no, I wouldn't do that for two hundred fifty thousand dollars. I would much rather spend my money elsewhere, and I don't know me. He's not watching it. That doesn't this thing. That's not even a thing for you. I guess, I mean. Okay. Okay. Let's just say what I do. It did, if James Cameron said, I told you really should today. I said, I can give you down there. The forget, the, what's happened so far. Okay. And I said Alicia You can go see the Titanic. Yes. For a measly 10 dollars because you won some watery. Okay. So, 10 bucks, you get to go down with some expert. Who's built?

10:08 This amazing capsule. Would you go? It's super safe? Yeah, yeah, ugly. Because they've worked with NASA. I don't know. Maybe, I don't know if you're saying that. Maybe maybe I would see. Maybe I would. I like the water though. I'm a water person. Okay, answer C. I mean, I don't know, I now knowing this. No fuck, no. Well, like I would say, I'd probably, I probably would like, you know, not knowing this. But I know, you know, I know that, you know, all about the Titanic as do I, as an ancient person who saw the movie in theaters, I saw it in the theater, okay, the movie theater and Was a proud owner of the two VHS tape.

11:01 Oh my God is dual VHS do is to VHS. Has watched it like it stopped halfway through and I was like, you know, put on fortune or whatever. Yeah. There's like like you know when they used to do like that like an irregular Mission. Yeah, he did something that was like music and then he had to like go on to I'm like of course I want to see Leo and Kate Winslet and like all of those fuck. Yeah, I had it. Idea. Did you not have it on DVD death? Oh, well, you're a techie social dual layer DVDs. So I didn't have to switch the diva T we're like, okay better gotta rewind. What am I?

11:43 So I mean if if anyone lives and in the depths of the ocean, underneath some rock, you know, the Titanic was, you know, an ocean liner and it was really Ultimately the state of the art for the time, like it was. Yeah, it was the ship these ship. It was, you know, just passed the turn of the century. So is 1912 that this had been, you know, released and it was massive Titanic was a gigantic Titanic. It was a gigantic Titanic. So, but it took passage from the UK to New York City.

12:26 And brand brand-new. Yeah, the completion of the Titanic was done April 2nd 1912. It took off less than a week later. Wow, yeah. That's how quickly it was. You know, put out. So it was made. They had had its first on a money making money made in. This was the maiden voyage which is what that's you know. C term is the first time it went on to the ocean and had passengers in it. So, you know, in on in as it was like Crossing the, the ocean getting closer to New York City, it was it sunk due to the Titanic hitting an iceberg off the coast of Halifax.

13:11 Nova, cop, Nova Scotia in the Collision, there was 2224, people aboard of those 2224, people 710 were saved Sad, so sad, I guess from me, I didn't know that it was that many people that had gone that had been had perished on the Titanic itself. And I mean, I have you guess, you know who actually, you know, who made it. So who survived the Richie's? Some, the article see Richie's? Yes. Well, so in the article will actually will have that listed in our show notes.

13:53 The article itself that shows like a You know a graph of it of who did and did not survive. So Okay, Kevin I have it pulled up. Who do you think survived and who didn't survive? First class survived. First class men, women. Mostly I would say first class women. I'm base, you know what? I'm basing this. What's up movie so stupid? No, it's not stupid. Thanks James Cameron. Yeah, I want to say first class women. Okay. And then I'm going to say, and then, I'm going to say, God, here's what I would.

14:46 I can't first class shit. I don't know a lot of the crew, because they had to Pilot the little boats. Hmm. You think they died? No, I think many of the crew survived, okay? Because I think that they were the ones that had to get on the little, the little boats and help, but there was a probably, a lot of crew shit. Okay? So I'm just Just this it the highest was the first class women and the lowest was the third class women. The third class woman. Oh yeah. So let me see. I did have a pulled up and it was, it was just not working. So hold on.

15:28 So so, so do you. Let me ask you this, then why you looking at us to do you think that the James Cameron when he did? his movie was he Was he building his movie for drama or was he doing it? Really kind of about hat? Was he kind of equate equating it to really what had happened for the class of Passenger. He actually you know he is a fucking nerd and a half the in it comes to this stuff really is until so yeah, and so he went Deep dive, dive into surgery. So yeah, research which you're right and like trying to recall like yeah, it was on it.

16:13 He was it's Very accurate. So as far as the first class goes like I'll break it down. So the most lost percentage lost of everyone was second class. Men. Okay, 92% of the second class men. Uh-huh, did not survive. I've okay, so that was jives with what I'm thinking, 500 or 150 50 for men. Perished only 14 survived. The second is third class men. So you would almost think that like, you know, second third class men would be lower. Yeah.

16:58 Yeah. It was not the case interest. Yeah or anything. Yeah. All right. And then of course men and orcses me crew, the crew Men, 78% of them was forced yes, or third, third most lost, then we Have this is where it gets a little fucked up people. So, okay. Well first-class men first-class men because Women and Children First Strike yesterday. Got our first, they got our first, ya go. And the people who survived were, you know, women and children. Yes. Well, first-class men, 67% perished, then we have 66 percent of third class. Children died. Which is a shitload of their third class. Third class, kids.

17:44 Yeah, 52 people don't care. God damn. This is going to come up again. Then, you know, we have third class women died, then 54% we have, you know, children of first-class, actually 17th. There was six first class children. Five of them. Say we're saved one died and then first class, Men 3% that was like the highest percentage or the exact the most say, second class children. All of them were saved all second class children were saved there were 24 and all 24 live to see another day. Who is it?

18:25 Was kind of, its kind of interesting. So, three percent of first class, women did not make it then 14% of second class, and then 54% of third class women, and then thirteen percent of the female crew, so not necessarily surprising you and that it has Also has to do with where you are on the ship by the way, right? That's a huge Point. Yes, yeah. So like a lot of it was like, you know, people thought that, you know, nothing that it was just a joke like people are just fucking joking around and so some people just didn't listen. Yeah. Well yeah or you didn't hear anything? And yeah. Oh look you go down the hallway. Think about Jack and Rose. Yeah. They're going through the hallways of third class and it's just a shitload of water and yeah interesting, right. So You know, really to understand the story of the unsinkable ship, we have to really get like the technology was going on at that day and that time like they're like oh this ship is so huge so state-of-the-art it can't sink. There's no way it gets yeah it's Unsinkable things and that's an and like people, you know, we're like, oh yeah, it's Unsinkable. Then it within the first week of it even being Going on, passage it sinks.

19:41 So what happens, people start thinking, it's cursed. This must be a cursed vessel. Well, of course because it's what? Unsinkable, and somehow it just sing are sunk, excuse me. So people's really actually believed this The White Star Line, which was the the company who put together they had massive, you know, ocean liners, the Titanic being one of them and they were like, oh, we're going to stop christening our boats because maybe that's what brought on the curse. There was like some weird Catholic Protestant like stuff going on there, like there's a curse there. So they stopped doing that and get this cat is we brought out, we broke alcohol over the bow.

20:30 You're like, or we Said this prayer and Lisa. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not father, Son and Holy Ghost. So there were actually a couple of stories that foreshadowed the story of the Titanic boy. Yeah. So there was actually a May issue of a popular magazine if you have ever, you know, worked in print or in any kind of media, you understand that you have to plan. As well in advance. So like you know, a magazine that you're reading and may may have been, you know, put together and I don't know February sure, right.

21:11 Because you have to have time to put it all together, Print It Blow but especially back in the good old days. The olden days where, you know, they really had to plan ahead. So So they, they had to plan ahead for this this Magazine. And there was a story called, it was a short story called, The White Ghost of disaster, and it actually described the Collision of an ocean liner with the ice with an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah, and this before this is the Titanic took off. This was before the Titanic took off like the this magazine was already printed and on newsstands was this a fictional magazine like why would the writing this story? So it was a short story in this magazine. Yeah.

22:02 Okay, yeah. So it was a short story that they had published which you know, that you'd have like a little short story, and this was the short story that they had and fuck it was on it was on all the shelves. And the Titanic went down. So it basically said, you know that the it got it. Hit an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and then it's sank and passengers. Like all the passengers died which is basically what happened for the Titanic and people like oh what what like this just Kate. This this has been a land like this just happened. So it like created a little bit of a sensation who growing worse. Maybe this was foreshadowing. The story of the Titanic.

22:46 But there's another one 14 years before the Titanic you know disaster and 1898 a man named Morgan. Robertson wrote a book called The Wreck of the Titan or futility. Can we just take a moment? Okay, first before I continue and tell you what this story is about. Do you recall what this submersible was called? The recent one. Yes. Oh, the name of the submersible, the Titan. Yeah. Yeah it's the Titan. When I was like, right when I was writing some like, are you fucking kidding me?

23:28 This is like kind of weird. Like, you know, before when they're trying to like draw parallels, huh? Like oh, it's the Titanic. Well, this is just the Titan but now it's a story that was written, the story that was written in. 1898 talks about, you know, a vessel the sinks and the Atlantic. And its name is the Titan. And guess what? Just happened. This past week. That just, that exactly that right next to the fucking Titanic, which like, just kind of blew my mind when I was writing this. So, the story actually features British.

24:10 It's a British passenger liner. That's, that's what the the Titan is and it was another unsinkable ship, okay? In the story, they talk about how it doesn't carry enough. Lifeboats on it, okay. And on an April Voyage, the Titan hits an iceberg and sinks in the North Atlantic with the loss of almost everyone on board. 1898 fast-forward to 1912 it actually happens, fast forward to 2023 and the Titan a submersible is at the bottom of the ocean or, you know, imploded in the ocean Same name. Same ocean, pretty crazy part of me. Also, Trying to debunk conspiracy hat, like, you wonder if they named it the Titan because of that dumb bullshit story.

25:10 Oh my God, what a bad Omen. Why where did they get that name? Like, you know what I mean? You know what I guess? Like, from my thought process, I would assume they wanted like a play on Titanic. You know? Because that's where there are taking people, right? That makes sense. Yeah, so it's like, oh, it's the Titan. Like there's nothing about that submersible. That was fucking Tighten, it was yeah, tiny actually held the tiny itty bitty, itty bitty, tiny. The teeny tiny, you know. Yeah. But I mean, it is, it's weird. Yeah, it's weird in 1912. Another story, the German Burrell Berliner newspaper published a book in serial form that ran from the 9th of January, until the 24th of April.

26:01 Remember, The Titanic, you know, crashed, you know the second week in April. Okay. So this was before started taking off or started publishing before the Titanic had sunk. So the, the work of fiction was actually written by Gerard hauptmann who received later the Nobel Prize in literature that year. So, one month before the that maiden voyage, It was published as the novel. Atlantis, Atlantis is a romantic till and, and it's basically set aboard. The ocean liner, the Roland, which is doomed, and the Fate is very similar to the Titanic, right?

26:49 So it basically gave people the idea of like, oh my God, This person's telling the future. Like, what happened again? You have all of these things. All these stories that came out around the same time and they're all pointing towards a doomed unsinkable ship, right? And within months, or days or weeks or years in some of these cases, that that exact thing happens. So there's also like a Danish silent film that was made and Of Atlantis and people were like, yeah, no. Since people have died on the Titanic, like this is in kind of like, bad, bad form.

27:33 We should, we should be trying to like sell this, right? Yeah. So they didn't that know, you know, I know that we were talking and I said that this would be kind of a story of ghosts and curses or whatever, but I just couldn't really help but mention another Our new story that happened this past week in the Mediterranean Sea. Okay. Did you hear about this? Kevin, I don't know. Tell me about it. Let me see. So, you know, I'll say I heard something but you know, as callous as it sounds to be completely honest, it was just like another blip or story on my way to work. While I was driving in my car, while I was probably a blip because we had other things, overshadowing it, right? This was before this was before way before. This isn't before this even was a topic. Yes, the, the, the Titan was a top. Okay.

28:31 Okay. So it was actually a crowded fishing boat. That was carrying hundreds of immigrants. That was that were seeking Asylum. Yes. Okay, so you're kind of starting to recall that. Yes, it was packed pack. Pack. Pack pack packed super packed. Yeah. They super duper pack these things. Yes, and there's a lot of questions of whether or not But this is like human trafficking and stuff like that, but ultimately, the majority of these people were immigrants coming from Pakistan. Trying to find a new life and they were desperate desperate. Desperate. Absolutely desperate. Yeah yes we're gonna get on a ship that is full of like a sardine.

29:14 If they have a chance at being in America and stories were stated, like there are people who are saying Everyone was saying oh this is like way too packed. I'm not going to get on it and the people who are running it where like you need to get 0, you will get you're getting on it and like basically saying if you don't get on it we're going to yo oh my God so God yeah and I just like a little ocean to my neck. Yeah it's like or else or else you better get on this this boat. So what and do you have any idea? Why it was that why? I was get on or die? Mo Money Mo Money Mo Problems. So, they're To get as many people on. Yeah, because their money, right? But if you can't get on like what was the why do you think they would kill them?

29:58 Because they didn't want to put them on another bow and they're just trying to get all these people crammed on and they're people who are like illegally moving large groups of people across the ocean. Like these are not like upstanding. Oh yeah, there are two little trip to the United States today because they're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. Like oh you're really wanting to seek another life. You're trying to seek I love ya like your life sucks but like, you know, let me, let me give you this beautiful bed. No. They're like, let me go. Yeah. Come on my shop. Exactly. There's nothing. So these, all these people are, are crowded on it and, you know, we don't know an official amount of people at this time. Well, we saw pictures of it.

30:45 There are pictures, there are pictures but because these are people who were, you know, legally, Boarding a ship. There's not you know there aren't good record, of course and you know, there still could be, you know, exactly. So you know, it's not official this time but it did capsized in the Mediterranean and the numbers that they're that last the last time I checked said, 104, people had been rescued and brought to Greece, so this happened in Mediterranean, they're brought to Greece, and it's believed that over. 300 pakistanis had died. Oh, and the amount of children who had passed away in this capsizing is, you know, close to 100. Oh, of course we don't have the same, like, it's not awful, it's awful.

31:37 It's horrendous, you know, and grease is a little bit irritated, right? Because they're like, well we don't want to deal with this problem. So and these people are coming here illegally and there's a lot of like drama with the EU. You regarding how many people do they think died? They think that potentially, you know, at least 200 close to it. I mean, they're saying close to 100, you know, children. Who knows, who knows? How, who knows, how many? Because, you know, let's say you go with your family. All maybe none of you guys know how to swim and your boat capsizes, right? You're desperate to try to start a safely but um, you know, I didn't I didn't put Two and two together but this actually was is believed to be one of the worst shipwrecks in the Mediterranean and yet there's a lot of people in that bowl.

32:33 A shitload of people, there was very little attention that was paid in the new. It's did it big with your just was glazed over totally glazed over. Yeah, because, you know, Because they weren't rich and famous or noteworthy then we mean they were yeah. Refugees on a boat poor. Nobody wants to talk about it. Poor brown people. Yeah, Hannah boat. Yeah. Who do you know? Like it's, yeah, they're not wanting to talk about any of that shit. And and what I was thinking about was like this really parallels, like the idea of the Titanic being an unspeakable luxury boat, you know, it's King is not only historic event that the public is fascinated with it. You know, it has all the Hallmarks of a captivating story, you have.

33:25 And then, you know, the Titanic they had, you know, hundreds of people. There are also, the Uber super rich, like Ultra elite were on these, you know, on this ocean liner. Yeah, on the, on the other hand, you have the Titan and six elite people. Go to see a McCobb site, where hundreds of people died just to die themselves. I think it's pretty fucked up. Yeah, I mean I guess it's just perspective, right?

34:06 Yeah, because that perspective is pretty effed. Yeah. Yeah, you know, people go down to see basically a gravesite, you know, Hey, it's true. I mean, that's that's ultimately what it is. Hmm, and all of the cameras, all the attention is being focused on these six people who, you know, knowingly pay for a ticket, two hundred fifty thousand dollars, a ticket to go, look at a gravesite and then come back up. And then you have whole families, you know, hundreds of people potentially 100 children. Who died in the middle of you know the Mediterranean Ocean and nobody knows about it.

34:53 Nobody's paying attention. Nobody said anything like but what about the children you know it's like all of us are paying attention to these rich people who have all the money in the world you know I was doing wrist. Very risky thing credibly not worthy. I'm are quoting noteworthy. Yeah, incredibly risky. I don't know, like, from my perspective, it's like, okay, like, you guys did something really stupid. These people in the Mediterranean were just trying to find, like, have a better life. They're just trying, they're going doing things.

35:34 That is, it's terrifying right there. Leaving the country that they know because of, you know, whatever reason trying to seek out a new life and Their boat capsizes they're poor. They don't maybe they don't know how to swim. Maybe they don't you know what are you supposed to do? Like you know it's a tragedy. It's a real tragedy and yet a lot of people are focused on on this one story, you know, of the Titanic, the Titan, looking at the Titanic and these rich Elite people who make a really stupid decision. And I don't know, I don't know, I haven't seen anything and like, please please.

36:16 Come to me and tell me that these were humanitarians because I have not seen anything to say these people did so much good in the world they were, you know, super kind and like really treated their employees well and you know it's a real loss. Like I haven't heard anything like that. I've heard that they're billionaires and that they wanted to go and see this. And whereas like, you have over 300 people who could have had Future who, you know, I'm sure out of the 300. You probably had six people who are good, good, kind people. Yeah. Which outnumbers the Titan, right?

36:58 No, I get from point. I get your point. It's fucked up, I guess your point. Yeah, it exactly. It's not a sucker for your focusing on. Is seems, it feels like you're focusing on the rich and Elite doing risky things. That's what it feels like. Yeah, I mean it could have been Amazing people, sure. Who her nose? Sure, sure. But that's, I mean, that's really what it boils down to, right? Yeah, I think it's, it was so rare unique risky Elite. Yes. Whereas, whereas we have immigrants on the borders of the United States.

37:42 Yeah, Mexico. Yeah, people are coming up through Mexico and it's Like people die all the time, people, you know, immigrants who are trying to make a better, you know, Passage through risking all of all of everything their lives. So let me play Devil's Advocate. Please just also just to create some churn and you make people listening to what's up. so, Think of the Wright brothers. I know where you're going and their Adventures.

38:22 Some, the poor would consider were Elite creating this machine. Did this flying? very risky and ultimately I mean flight, causing death? Yeah. And I'm, that was a big Focus. Sure. And they were there poor immigrants. Sure struggling. Sure the probably could have really. There's some things that could have probably used some attention. Yeah. due to do, you think that Doing Elite risky. I'm going to air quote, this kind of every thing. He's the requires lots of money and risks. Sure.

39:19 IE the Wright brothers, creating flight? Yes. Ultimately have created you see where I'm going with that. I totally understand what you're trying to say, okay. And I'm gonna be honest. Okay, I appreciate it. Okay, I appreciate what you're saying. Okay, thank you. Thanks. But thank you. Okay. Okay the Wright brothers. Huh? Scientific discovery trying to trying something new. Yes, curiosity these things are great. There's nothing wrong with curiosity. There's nothing wrong with wanting to try things needing Capital to do.

40:00 So of course you, that's exactly what you need. On. The other hand, we have gone down to the Titanic. Okay. We have gone to space. Okay, I do not want some billionaire, who is not does not know what he's doing and is just on a vanity tour going to be like oh yeah to talk at a cocktail hour with all of his like douchebag. I'm saying, huh? Well, you know, Roger and I decided to go and get Roger, Roger, and I decided to go to the Moon to see, is it made out of cheese? Like, and we've discovered, it's not. Here's a moon rock. Ha ha ha.

40:43 You know, like like like Moon Rock in your cocktail. Exactly. So, I tried sniffing, I ground up this Moon, Rock, You wanna try? Hi. A little bit. Have a sniff. Mmm good Moon Rock. I know. I get you. I get your point. It costs a million dollars. The most expensive thing I've ever put up your nose. You know, like I get it, totally get it but these people were not they were not turning the page of invention. They're not. They themselves are not. I hear you. I hear you. If it was like a okay, this is what we're going to do and we're going to do these other great things know these.

41:25 Guys were just trying to take something off of a list know I can die under. You can't. Like I do think that there is a difference between that and curiosity, like curiosity is a great thing. Yeah, that does Propel Humanity into move forward, but I would say that the guy that built the machine that ultimately killed, people that fleeced all these guys 250,000 dollars for a ticket to their death. Yes, yes, that's what I mean. Yeah, go ahead. God needed. The capital to continue to advance. The. Advancement of the carbo. See ionic fiber stuff. Stuff is going to work.

42:10 So yeah, he killed six people. I'm sorry. It's not funny but it's Preposterous it is so hard to kill. It is so ridiculous and no, I get it, but it's just let them eat cake. Yeah, I like bright, right? I'm sorry. I'm trying to be. I'm trying to be both sides. So good. Kevin trying to leave a shot. Fuck this shit. He's like I'm holding. You have no idea how much I'm actually holding back and saying, I can tell I like at your face, like, until I know you. I'm trying to be good until I can tell but still, there's a lesson here.

42:53 Yeah. Okay. What is the lesson? Do we have? A final thought? Mr. Jerry Springer. Oh resting pets. Sure. Kevin you were so good. Good with your final thought for the last podcast. Thank you. Do you have a find? You have a Jerry? Springer? Final thought? Yeah, I think I do. Do you? Yeah, I'm gonna wing it. You'd like to do it. Yeah. You're gonna wing it. I kind of winged it. Oh my God. You did so good for wing. It thanks. You're welcome. Thanks. Yeah. Let let it let it go. Let it go. Okay, let it go. People, We're All in This Together to quote, the great sack have fun. Yeah, we're all in this together but we are all in this together and like, you know, there's nothing wrong with curiosity, but maybe we should be a little bit more curious about one the world that we're living in and the people and Humanity that, you know, is being lost every day. Yeah.

43:53 Eat the Rich but holy I'm okay. Keep going. Let's not glorify people who, you know, are maniacs and Risk Takers because they think they're Invincible. None of us are invincible and every single one of us is going to eventually and I think that having, you know, Grace and compassion for Humanity is the best way to move forward. I'm saying that and having very little compassion, human in these humans. That's clear, but I do think that this, to those two hundred fifty thousand dollars could have done a lot more work than Joyride, a joyride, you know, to your death. But see, I am I here.

44:43 You have very little compassion. Do I hear you? I didn't want to digress or interrupt you wear by eating the rich. Yes. But you have to, in the description of this Podcast, put a link to that, Tick-Tock video that you sent me about the girl, the talked about this trip and how they were eating the, how to not eat the rich, and how she talked about how the percentage of the sales with equal to latte. Oh, yes, this girl is great on Tick-Tock. She does, like, it sounds like like dumb blond stuff, but she was explaining how a ticket to Hundred fifty thousand dollars quarter of a million dollars is like two iced coffees.

45:36 Yeah, yeah. Two iced coffees like whatever. But to start a Starbucks eyes, copy link. All kinds. Getting this pensive. Yeah, for us. That's the them going. Hey, I'm going to take a trip down to the bottom of the ocean. We'll have it in the show notes. Please do check it out. It's pretty cute. She's great. Yeah. But I guess, All I have for today. Well, I could sell your blood boil. Just a hair. I was guilty metal. It was going and I like the passion. There's no shortage of that here to the discussion. Thank you. And as a reminder to everyone, please check out our website.

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