Sasquatch the Kidnapper?

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Sasquatch the kidnapper

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Hello Kevin, my Co host with the
most How are you little camper

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I'm.
Doing good.

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How are you?
How are you doing today?

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I'm doing good.
I can't complain.

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Yeah, I'm pretty happy.
We're we're coming up to some

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summertime activities, right?
Makes me happy.

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And we live in the beautiful
state of Colorado, not there's

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no other place I think better to
explore.

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Outdoors season Four Seasons.
Are you much of an explorer?

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Yeah, I do.
Not as much as I would like to

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do it, but yes, I I do like to
explore.

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What do you what do you like
doing here in Colorado?

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Boy, I just love being in the
mountains and I loved, you know,

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the smell of the woods.
And it's so close.

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It's so easy to get to and of
course, I'm an avid skier.

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So, you know, I love this the
winter for that reason.

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But the summer and the and the
greenery in Colorado, it's great

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hiking.
I don't like to do big hikes,

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but, you know, some moderate
nice strolls through the forest.

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Nice strolls?
No, no.

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Best.
So you're not backpacking and

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like, packing all your stuff
with you, do you?

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You have hiking boots?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Are you much of A camper?
No.

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OK.
I've glamped.

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Glamp.
I like clamping, not I won't do

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it a lot, but clamping I I can
handle glamping.

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Is your thing?
Yeah.

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You know, chandeliers in the
tent, you know, puffy pillows

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and candles and grills and
electric skillets.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Are you serious?

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Like a chandelier in a tent.
Yeah, Oh my God.

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You're really not kidding.
When you say glamp lamp, you

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know like 'cause you make a
little, have a little generator,

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solar generator for, you know,
you store up the batteries and

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you have your little lamp, sure.
Oh yeah, I thought glamping was

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like give me a cabin with.
No, no, glamping is camping,

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just at a real high level
elevated.

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Yeah, definitely elevated.
OK.

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OK.
So I get your taste like OK.

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You would do that too, I bet.
Oh, for sure, I would do it.

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I, you know what?
I always want to say that I am

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one of those people.
I like in my heart of hearts, I

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want to be a person who can like
be off, be rugged and rugged and

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do the things and like
experience nature and like be

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one with it and, you know, camp
it or pack in, pack out all that

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stuff.
But I like running water, yes.

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I like my sleep, yes.
And I've I've notorious.

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Shower.
Hot showers?

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You know a toilet, huh?
Very important.

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Yes, I have.
I've had that's like my #1 issue

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is just like the toilet and
running water situation and I

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just can't.
I'm not gonna sleep.

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There's no way of sleeping
unless I'm in a glamping

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situation.
Right foam mattress.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, a a mattress
like one of the last times I

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went camping, we had an
inflatable mattress.

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Yeah.
And it's had a slow leak.

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Yes.
By the time you wake up, you're

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on the hard, hard ground.
Yeah, been there. 3:00 AM I'm

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I'm awake.
I'm freezing like I don't have I

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I'm very ill prepared.
No, because this is not my

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thing.
Yes, cold, cold.

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It's just it's just not it.
It's something I want.

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Maybe in my older age I'll I'll
be less of a Princess, but I

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don't fucking care.
Give me my crown.

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You.
Know wear it with pride.

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Well, a lot of people here come,
they, they travel specifically

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for camping, right?
They'll travel for camping or

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for skiing or, you know,
snowboarding And, and we're so

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lucky to have national parks
right in our backyard.

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Ultimately, right?
I'm actually today wearing a

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Smokey the bear prevents forest
fires.

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Only you can.
Yeah, only you can prevent

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forest fires.
A sweater.

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Because I thought, you know, why
not cover some theories that

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have been going on around
national parks?

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So I don't know if you're aware
of this.

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Well, one, I'll just start off
with talking about National Park

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systems.
So have you been to any national

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parks, Kevin?
Yeah, yeah.

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OK.
Which like which ones have you

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been?
To well, so the Rocky, there's

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been a few national, I don't
know the names, but in Colorado

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there are several.
You go up to Estes Park and

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there is entrances to Rocky
Mountain, which if if anyone has

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never gone up there, there's a
road, I think it's the tallest

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paved Rd. in the world or the
United States or whatever.

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But you actually like when you
start driving up there, it looks

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like you're on the moon because
you're way above the tree line

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and then you come back down.
But it is the most gorgeous

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part.
It's like part of the world.

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It's like gorgeous.
But anyway, so I've I've done

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that National Park.
There was one big in California,

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Big Sur over there.
Yellowstone.

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Yellowstone's in.
Wyoming.

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Oh yeah.
What's the one that's down South

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in Yosemite?
Yosemite.

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Yeah, yeah.
So a few, a few there, yeah.

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Yeah, I've been to some.
I'm actually going to be going

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next weekend to Yellowstone for
the very first time.

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Have you been to Yellowstone?
No.

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I haven't either.
I'm really excited.

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I think it's going to be great.
It's so it's like an 8 hour

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drive from us, something like
that in Denver.

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But the United States actually
has 63 national parks.

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And the national parks are
really designated areas that are

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protected by, you know, the
United States.

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And it's operated by the
National Park Service, which is

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an agency of the Department of
Labor.

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So the the whole idea behind
these national parks, which

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we're so lucky in the United
States that we have a lot of

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these a lot of countries don't.
And there have been, you know,

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people who have built over
beautiful, diverse ecosystems.

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But the idea is, you know, you
have these areas of natural

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beauty and diverse ecosystems
that we're trying to save.

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And so you can't, there are a
lot of rules around recreation.

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Even if you're going camping,
there are a lot of rules around

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it.
And it's just really to keep the

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beauty of the parks and, and
what they say it's, it's really

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because of some outstanding
scenic feature or national

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natural phenomena.
So Yellowstone, they have old

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faithful like the geysers and
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So as far as the national parks
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So the ecosystems are, you know,
protected.

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They have specific activities
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So you can't just like bring
your four Wheeler and like ruin,

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you know, the terrain.
The national monuments though,

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which are different, are
protected for a historic or

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archaeological significance.
So multiple national parks

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within our within our country.
The first one was actually

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Yellowstone.
So Yellowstone is what created

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it all, and it was signed into
law by Ulysses S Grant, the

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president and 1872 to be the
very first National Park.

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No building, no, no commercial
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So beautiful.
We have to just save these

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areas.
So all over the country we have

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these and over 30 states have
national parks.

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Lots of people go to and join
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You know, even during the
pandemic, I don't know if you

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remember, there was like a huge
issue because people just wanted

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to get out of their houses.
Yes, millions of people, like

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we're talking millions over what
they normally would have at

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these national parks.
We're coming to go camping or,

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you know, hike and explore the
natural beauty around them

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because you couldn't travel
anywhere.

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Yeah, and you couldn't be in.
You couldn't be inside.

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I mean, you could be inside your
own house, but nowhere else.

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So what was your only option?
Go outside into the great

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outdoors.
The the great outdoors, yeah.

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So people started becoming
hikers and stuff.

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And one thing that I've always
like, you know, wondered about

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is how many people just are lost
on hikes, right?

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Like either, you know, they go
on a hike, they don't really

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know what the fuck they're
doing.

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They you know it's a huge
problem.

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I've done that.
You have.

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Frightening.
How long were you missing for?

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Well, fortunately I was with
three other people, so it was

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four of us.
We went on this hike.

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We got lost and fortunately we
had some cheese and a bottle of

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wine, so we were we were OK, but
it, I don't know, a couple

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hours.
How did you guys find your way

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back?
We just walked, kept walking

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down the mountain, tried to find
valleys and we're like, oh,

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eventually we've got to run into
a road somewhere.

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And then we did.
And then we just followed the

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road.
So it wasn't like wasn't too

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bad, but that feeling of being
lost is is uncomfortable.

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So uncomfortable, yes, you're
trying to not lose your shit,

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right?
At least you had other people

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with you.
Exactly, which is why it's

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important.
If you're going to go do these

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things, do them with other
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Yes, yeah.
Or at least, you know, have some

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kind of an idea of what the fuck
you're doing.

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Or have some sort of a device or
something where if people can

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find you, know where you are
like technology is is.

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Good.
I mean, but a lot of the, the

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problem now is a lot of these, a
lot of these national parks

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don't have cell phone coverage
or service, right, right.

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So you don't, I mean, you have
satellites and stuff like that

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makes it easier, but you know,
it's, they're kind of like dead

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zones.
Yeah, true.

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Technology is becoming better,
and these dead zones aren't are

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fewer and far between.
But.

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Exist.
They exist like what are you

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going to do?
You're going to have cell phone

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service at a, you know, BFE, you
know, in Yellowstone, No, like

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no one's there, right?
It's a massive park.

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But at, so it's 2021, we're
talking about how many people

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would go and visit the national
parks.

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More than 92,000,000 visitors
were in, were recorded as being

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there.
It's it's well, well over that,

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but they recorded about
92,000,000 so.

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The people being reported as
lost probably drove went up

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dramatically.
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I mean, overall, people have
have become like you have these

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disappearances in these National
Park systems and we're going to

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talk about a couple today, but
there's some really strange

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coincidences that occur with
these missing people.

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And a lot of people end up
trying to what make sense of it,

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piece together the information
and try to see what the heck is

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going on here.
So we'll talk about first the

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disappearance of Dennis Martin.
So Dennis Martin was a small

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boy.
He was born in in June of 1962

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and he had disappeared on in
June of 1969.

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So seven years old, 66 almost
seven years old.

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And this was in the Great Smoky
Mountains, which is a National

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Park in Tennessee.
So he it was actually one of the

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biggest search efforts in the
parks history.

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Over 1400 searchers at over 56
square miles.

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We're searching for this kid.
That's needle in a haystack.

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Total needle in a haystack and
there are only so many search

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methods that you can have.
But what ended up happening was

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Dennis and his family were there
from Knoxville, but they're

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visiting the Great Smoky
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grandfather, older brother for
Father's Day weekend.

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And it was actually like camping
in this area was a tradition for

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this family around that time for
Father's Day.

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And so they would hike from a
place called Katie's Cove to

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Russell Field, and then they
would camp overnight.

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This has happened multiple
times, multiple years with this

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kid because it was a yearly
thing.

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The following day, they would
hike to Spence Field, which is

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near the Appalachian Trail,
where they would spend the

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night.
They would spend the night

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there.
So he actually disappeared on

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June 14th at 4:30 while they
were planning on surprising

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adults with his brother and some
other children.

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There was there was a separate
family who was going camping

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with them.
He was last seen by his father.

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His father's like, you know,
organizing stuff in the

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campsite, you know, probably
getting together food, making

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sure they have enough, making
sure that the tent is properly

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set up.
Do we have our water?

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Is the lots to do?
Lots to do.

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Another reason I don't like
camping.

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Exactly.
Yeah, you have to stoke the

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fire, make sure we have enough
firewood, make sure it's

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protected.
All of your trash is in an area.

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So he's in the area right next
to his father, his father's, you

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know, just messing around with
the campsite and he sees the son

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right behind some, some bushes.
And he he's hiding, you know,

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he's trying to play hide and
seek or like had to surprise

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these, these adults.
So he crouches behind Dennis,

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crouches behind a Bush.
And his dad didn't see him for

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about another 5 minutes.
And when all the other kids came

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back and all the adults came, he
realized that his son was not

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accounted for.
He saw him Crouch behind a Bush.

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And then he seemed to disappear.
His daughter.

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His dad's freaked out,
rightfully so, right?

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What the hell happened to my
kid?

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Where is he?
Is he still trying to hide?

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All these things are going
through his head.

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So he runs down the trail for
nearly two miles.

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This guy was a fit dude, right?
But also adrenaline.

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So he's running, trying to find
his his child because this is

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not like his kid.
He knows his child knows what

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what to do.
They've done this before.

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They've been camping before.
It's not like him to not respond

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when he's calling him his name
for help.

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He's continuing to run 2 miles
until he's like, sure, There's

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no way that little Dennis could
have gone that far.

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So after several hours of
searching the whole camp, the

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whole campsite, everyone is
searching all that the family is

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they contact the National Park
Service Rangers and we've all

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seen the the Rangers, right?
They, they come through.

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Make sure that you're not, you
know, doing shit you shouldn't

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be doing.
Make sure everything's safe.

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So the area that Martin
disappeared is marked with a

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bunch of slopes and ravines.
It's pretty steep, right?

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So there are tons of animals in
because once again, there is a

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limit on hunting.
So you have bears, you have

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copperhead snakes, you have
feral hogs, which feral hogs

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are.
They're mean and they're

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dangerous.
They're really dangerous.

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And there's also Bobcats in the
area.

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So shortly after Martin goes
missing, crouches down behind

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that Bush, it starts to
downpour, a huge storm comes in

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and it dropped actually 3 inches
of rain and hours, just a matter

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of hours.
And that caused trails in the

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area to be washed out.
And then the streams in the area

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that were around those ravines,
they started to flood.

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This is after they can't find
him.

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Dennis.
Right after, right after.

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So within a matter of hours, it
starts raining, it starts

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getting even more, you know,
more and more rain falls down.

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Don't you know, everything
starts.

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They're they're still searching,
of course, for the child, but

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three inches of rain drop in in
hours.

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And that's a lot of rain.
It's a ton of rain, so washes

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out all those, those trails and
floods, you know, these streams,

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the temperatures start, you
know, going down the night of

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June 14th and it dropped down to
June 14th.

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I mean, in Tennessee, it's like
it's pretty warm.

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It gets down to 50°F and that's
10°C so it drops down.

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This is a six year old boy,
right?

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That didn't have, I mean, maybe
he was wearing a sweatshirt, but

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he didn't really have much that
he was wearing, right?

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People are looking for him,
right?

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Everyone's freaked out and you
have this storm that comes in.

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But there are questions that
come up.

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What the hell happened to this
kid?

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You know, we are trying to find
him.

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We can't find him.
His dad saw him crouched below,

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like behind.
It was 5 feet away, crouched

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behind a Bush, trying to hide,
to joke around, and he just

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seemingly disappeared.
Like he could have gotten far.

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Yeah, he couldn't have gotten
that far.

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His dad ran for two miles
shouting his name.

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You would think that he would
hear or respond right after.

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It's not like, you know, he was
waiting like for two hours

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before he started looking for
him.

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It was 5 minutes, if that.
It was probably shorter than

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that, right?
Like that, he starts freaking

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the fuck out.
So, you know, their search is on

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and despite the weather and the
issues that are happening, they

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have a separate search going on.
We have the Park Rangers, the

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park National Park Service,
Dennis's family and the National

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Guard and the Green Berets come
in 'cause they're like, this is

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not good.
You know, we don't want, we

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don't want this like bad
publicity with, you know, our

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National Park system.
And he's a little boy, a cute

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little boy.
They couldn't find any trace of

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him.
These are Green Berets and the

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National Guard, like these are
people who know, they like,

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they're hunters who are here.
They know how to find like, you

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know, people's whereabouts.
They can track animals just by

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like, you know, the way the
sticks break.

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But this wasn't a flat area.
You said he, like in theory,

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could have fallen down a Cliff,
right?

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He could have fallen down a
Cliff, but they weren't even

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finding any, like, broken
branches.

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They weren't finding a sock.
There was no sock.

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There was nothing.
There was no trace of this

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little boy.
No like footprint or, you know,

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hair or you know, and of course
the rain.

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Washed everything away though.
Exactly.

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The rain was washing.
It was starting to to do that.

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So there was that it was coming
in, but there was no no trace

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even right after he had been
found or found to be missing.

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So because of those heavy rains
during the first day search and

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there was a lot of mist from
that rain for over the next few

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days, it did hurt the search for
little Dennis.

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Like I said, up to like 1400
people were involved in this

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search effort.
That's a lot of people.

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A ton of people and like, and
how far can a six year old like

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really walk?
Like even if he is there's, he's

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not going to be walking like,
you know, five mile, like 5

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miles away with all of that
heavy rain.

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Maybe he would, but probably
not, right?

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One thing they did say is could
have been these 1400 people, all

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of them trampling through this
area probably hurt the search

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efforts that they did have
because maybe some of the

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evidence got.
Walked on or yes, yeah, moved.

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Yeah.
So it would have like obscured

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some of the clues that they had.
So they.

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That's a no win situation.
It's a no win.

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Yeah, they did find some
footprints, but they were

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actually dismissed as being, you
know, little Dennis Martins by

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park officials who said that
they actually think that was

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left, left by a Boy Scout who
was helping with the search.

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Once again, there's so much, so
many people there that it's

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actually hurting, hurting it.
So there's this is something

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that comes up a lot in this
search are these footprints.

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They were automatically
discounted because there were

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there was there were footprints
that were an Oxford shoe and a

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barefoot and the Oxford show was
the wait.

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Did you say a barefoot?
Barefoot.

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Oh, like it's in a bear?
His his foot is bare.

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Yeah, Uh huh.
Sorry, not a bear, but I should

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have distinguished that.
So Dennis was wearing an Oxford

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show and they.
Oh, but that barefoot, the foot

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that has no shoe is off because
the searchers wouldn't have had

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a with no shoes on.
Yes.

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So that's a big clue.
Yes, it's a huge clue.

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It was so easily dismissed early
on.

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But like a retired, there's this
retired park Ranger, Dwight

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Mccarter.
Mccarter, who really took this

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case on, was like, what the hell
happened to this kid?

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He looks back at that footprint
and he's like, that was him.

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That was definitely this kid.
Because none of these Boy Scouts

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are going to be searching with a
barefoot.

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So you have one footprint that
has the Oxford, the other one is

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Bear, a barefoot.
So they did find like some, you

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know, some traces, but it was so
dismissed right by June 22nd.

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Remember, June 14th is when he
goes missing.

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By June 22nd, 56 square miles
had been covered.

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Yeah, ground had been covered.
And more than 1000 searchers

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continued to look until June
26th when they started saying,

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well, no trace.
We haven't been able to find

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anything.
Chances are he's probably not

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around, right?
Yeah, like a bear got him.

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Or.
Yeah, something happened, maybe,

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but it's still.
Mountain Lion.

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Yeah, Mountain Lion or one of
those hogs.

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It was officially.
The search was officially ended

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on September 14th, 1969, and as
of 20/22, it was still the

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largest search in the history of
the Great Smoky Mountains.

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Sorry, in what year did this
happen?

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This was in 1960.
Let me just double check 1969,

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yeah.
When this this this event with

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this boy?
1969 OK.

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All right, Yeah.
So there are, of course, many

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theories as to what happened to
him.

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Of course, you know, one easy
one is that he had become lost

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and he died from exposure.
It was a really cold night or

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some other cause likely after
that first night.

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And it's probably one of the
more probable theories, right?

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Another theory is that like,
what do you think, Hungry Bear?

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Right.
Exactly, or a feral pig and was

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just carried off.
Yes.

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Once again, there were no foot
or no no prints right?

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But could be likely.
Another theory is that he was

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abducted and taken out of the
park by something or someone,

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which is why we're here, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So this is actually a theory

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that Dennis's father believes
himself.

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Interesting.
The reason being is the

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afternoon that Dennis Martin
disappeared, there was a tourist

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in the area named Terrell Key.
Him and his family were just

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camping in the area and they
heard an enormous sickening

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scream and shortly thereafter
they witnessed an unkempt, rough

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looking man running up the trail
near where the screen had scream

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had come from.
OK, he was looking like the man

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was looking at the scream, the
scream and he sees this man

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totally dishevelled.
He gets into it though.

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Man gets into a white car and
speeds off in it.

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Now, Park Rangers and the FBI
concluded that there was not

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sufficient evidence to actually
link this, especially because it

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was 5 miles away from where the
Martins were.

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Interesting.
But the time of when the scream

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had occurred is not.
We don't know.

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We don't know exactly what time
it had happened.

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And they were looking, well, how
would how would Dennis get

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there?
You know, there's no trail

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connecting the two sites that
they were in.

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But Dennis's father says, I
think he was abducted.

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There's no way.
I saw my son hide behind a Bush

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and he was suddenly not there.
So he subscribes to that theory.

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Now, if he was abducted, this is
where Missing 411 stuff comes

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in.
Missing 411 is, is a theory that

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Dave Politis came up with and
what he started doing.

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Dave Politis is an investor.
He was, he was a detective or a

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police officer for years and
retired for 20 years, retired

455
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,360
and started to just get pet
projects.

456
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,240
Dave Plaidus is also really well
known for the Bigfoot phenomenon

457
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,000
and searching for Bigfoot in
the, in places like the Great

458
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,360
Smoky Mountains.
So this was one of his cases and

459
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:07,520
he subscribes now kind of a cop
out, sorry, Dave Plaidus, but he

460
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040
says there's a lot of people who
are missing and going missing in

461
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,760
these national parks.
We don't know exactly what it

462
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720
is, but we, we think that there
could be something supernatural

463
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,520
tied to it, potentially Bigfoot,
potentially, you know.

464
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,360
I mean, we don't know, Yeah.
We can't find.

465
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,840
We don't mean we don't know.
We have no idea, but he's been

466
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,720
searching and saying there are
an awful lot of missing people,

467
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,560
just like, you know, Dennis
Martin, this little boy who

468
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,000
seemingly popped behind a little
Bush and just fucking

469
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,560
disappeared, like what happened
to this kid.

470
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,560
A lot of these things will
happen, a lot of these stories

471
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,200
will happen, and we don't know
what the Hell's going on.

472
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Supplies has been searching for
Sasquatch, which I know kind of

473
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,200
crazy.
He started doing work on

474
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Bigfoot, and he's released a
couple of Bigfoot books, and

475
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,040
he's also founded the group The
North American Bigfoot Search.

476
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,520
He's the director.
Oh, my God.

477
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,480
He believes that Bigfoot is
real.

478
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
OK.
And he says that the world needs

479
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,400
to understand that.
North America, The North

480
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:34,120
American Bigfoot Search.
Let's see here that there's a

481
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,040
study and that we have
orchestrated the search that led

482
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,720
to picking a there's a
researcher who conducted did

483
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:49,680
some DNA on Bigfoot.
The this it was a study and they

484
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,400
anyways, what ended up happening
was results are inconclusive.

485
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,960
Is there is there a Bigfoot
right?

486
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,560
It's always that so he's doing
this.

487
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,120
He also has like a television
show.

488
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,440
People start following him and
he has this pet project that is

489
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,000
tied to missing 411.
That's what he he terms it.

490
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,960
It's missing, missing people
within our National Park

491
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,720
systems.
A park Ranger had come up to him

492
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,360
and was like, hey, I know that
you have like these pet

493
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,000
projects, You're retired, you've
done the Bigfoot stuff.

494
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Clearly you're legit.
So so you should really look

495
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,560
into missing people in national
parks.

496
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,320
He's like, OK, fine, I'm going
to start looking at it and there

497
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,240
he starts seeing like, holy
shit, there are a ton of people

498
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,000
who are going missing.
Historically, you can go on to

499
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,800
missing people online.
I forgot it's like Namda or

500
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,720
something like that.
I don't remember.

501
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,520
But a lot of them go missing in
like Yellowstone and all these

502
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:04,560
national parks And he starts
looking, he starts saying like

503
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,040
he he had under covered multiple
lines of evidence suggesting

504
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:17,920
negligence on the park Ranger
Staffs ability to actually find

505
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,080
and locate people.
Well, they're are they?

506
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Well, that's not their like,
real job.

507
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,480
That's not their real job.
But also they don't seem to like

508
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,760
the search methods that they use
are maybe not as great as they

509
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,720
should be, right?
So maybe that's why all these

510
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,400
people are going missing.
He then starts broadening his

511
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,400
investigation and includes
missing people from across the

512
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,600
world.
And he said he's starting to

513
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040
say, OK, there's something else
going on here.

514
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,840
These mysterious sites worldwide
are defying some of these.

515
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,440
These stories are defying
logical and conventional

516
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,200
explanations.
Yes.

517
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Now Mr. Pilates, he does not yet
have a theory.

518
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,840
He says that he doesn't have a
theory on what exactly is

519
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,800
causing the disappearances, but
he does say that.

520
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,240
You know what I do believe is
like I have like 3 theories

521
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,600
which I'm you can buy to look on
in my book.

522
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,040
So I'm narrowing the case or the
ideas of what is causing this

523
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,480
down.
There is one thing that I think

524
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,840
is really important and he does
have a good point with.

525
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:44,480
So the US National Parks Service
does not keep a list of people

526
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,000
that go missing in their parks.
They don't have like a list of,

527
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,360
OK, here are the people in
Yellowstone who have gone

528
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840
missing that we haven't found.
You know, they don't keep their

529
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,080
own list.
There is a database for incident

530
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,880
and criminal reports, but it's
not widely or consistently used

531
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,640
within the these park systems
and it does not interface with

532
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,440
other criminal databases.
So if there is someone who's,

533
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:15,600
you know, let's say it's a a
serial killer who goes to these

534
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,960
remote areas that people are
hiking and just kills them and

535
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,720
hides their bodies or whatever
there, there is no way to tie

536
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,520
all of this information
together, which he says is a

537
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,800
problem.
Sure, it seems reasonable it.

538
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Seems pretty reasonable.
What if I were a serial killer?

539
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,520
I would definitely go to like an
area that I knew well that was

540
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,160
didn't have cell phone service.
Oh, by the way, I'm probably not

541
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
going to be doing that, right.
This is not, it's not the plan,

542
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,400
but but I mean, it makes total
sense.

543
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000
You're a serial killer.
You have people who often times

544
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,440
go hiking alone and bring all
their stuff with them.

545
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,200
So it's not like there is a
trace of them.

546
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,360
You can keep it pretty compact
and the evidence would be very

547
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,639
easily washed away with either a
storm or just time.

548
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,360
In general.
If the person leaves and they

549
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,199
don't tell you where they're
going, you wouldn't know where

550
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,520
to search 1st.
And these are massive parks.

551
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,600
I mean come on, the Great Smoky
Mountains, 56 miles that they

552
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,600
were searching.
So it's easy needle in a

553
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,199
haystack like you were saying.
Now, I do think that there is

554
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,480
some truth to there needs to be
like a little bit more

555
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,360
investigation around these
missing people.

556
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,760
There's actually another case
that I wanted to talk about,

557
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,280
which is about this guy, his
name.

558
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:51,040
It's it's around Mount Shasta.
So this man, which is shit Carl,

559
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,960
I believe, yeah.
So Carl ends up going to with

560
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,600
his friend to Mountain Shasta.
He's like, I'm going to go, I'm

561
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,080
see 69 years old has done
multiple hikes and he goes with

562
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,320
his friends and says I'm going
to go and just summit.

563
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:15,200
I'm they've been hiking and they
end up going to bed, had some

564
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,760
meals or whatever.
He wasn't feeling super great,

565
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,880
but he said, you know, I'm, I
couldn't sleep very well the

566
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,520
next morning.
And he he tells his friends, I'm

567
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,840
just going to start climbing the
rest of the way to the the

568
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,600
summit.
Carl Landers and Carl, Carl and

569
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,600
his friend Milt are there.
And he says, I'm going to go.

570
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,120
Milt says, yeah, whatever, we're
going to continue packing up our

571
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,920
campsite.
Carl goes up, starts climbing,

572
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,680
and they don't find him.
There's no trace of Carl

573
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,680
anywhere in Mount Shasta.
There are a bunch of people

574
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,360
around.
They try to conduct a search.

575
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,040
They thought, well, maybe he
just went all the way back down

576
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040
the mountain and is with his
car.

577
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,320
His car's still there.
Everything that he owns is still

578
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,040
there.
He they don't find anything

579
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,680
belonging to him.
And a couple questions come up.

580
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,320
Where did Carl go?
He's he has been a Mountaineer.

581
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,880
He knows what he's doing.
How did he disappear?

582
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,560
Couple and a couple of
potentials.

583
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,840
I think one his What if his
friends did something right?

584
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,240
That's possibility.
That's the only other person who

585
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,360
was with him.
Those people were the only

586
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,320
people with him.
So if they wanted to kill him,

587
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,520
it would be pretty easy.
Or he could have.

588
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,280
He was not feeling super great
and he didn't sleep very well.

589
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,160
What if he just kind of fell
off?

590
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Into some cavern.
Into a cavern or or something.

591
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,480
It's funny you bring up caverns
that has to do it with a theory

592
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,840
with missing 411.
So Carl Landers I think is he

593
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,880
was just a older dude, probably
fell off and there's just no

594
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,960
trace.
Maybe like a bear or something

595
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,400
ate the rest of him.
It is strange they didn't find

596
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,760
anything from him but there are
some inconsistencies with the

597
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,920
story and his friends retelling.
It's not something like Dennis,

598
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
the little boy who went missing
who literally disappeared behind

599
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,080
a fucking Bush and then had a
huge search.

600
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,920
There wasn't a huge search with
Carl.

601
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,760
Could have been like potential
evidence but like nothing was

602
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,000
found right?
And this was I think 1999.

603
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,440
So makes sense that there was no
cell phone service 'cause there

604
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,600
are hardly any cell phones, but
they're in the middle of nowhere

605
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,720
and he was never found.
The problem with missing 411 is

606
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,160
there are so many theories and
no answers.

607
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,000
So people say, could it have
been Bigfoot?

608
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,280
Or maybe there's a portal in
some of these areas that people

609
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,760
are, you know, coming into,
like, for instance, David Dennis

610
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,840
Martin.
Dennis Martin comes like pops

611
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,520
behind a Bush.
Maybe he disappears into some

612
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,040
kind of portal.
Hence no trace.

613
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,280
Hence no trace and he ends up
being in like a different

614
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,240
dimension or.
Something that's one.

615
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,800
Kind of think it's bunk.
Do I want to believe in it?

616
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, but is it bunk?

617
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,120
I kind of think it's probably
bunk.

618
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,280
Another theory which kind of
ties into what you were saying

619
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,480
with the caverns are is the fact
that that there's huge cave

620
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:48,080
systems underground and a lot of
them, if you superimpose The

621
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,680
Cave systems, which we will have
in our show notes, an image of

622
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,040
The Cave systems.
And I'll, I'll show this to you,

623
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,760
The Cave systems over the
National Park areas and they

624
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,560
overlay pretty easily.
So so.

625
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,160
The So what do the orange dots
represent?

626
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,720
So that's it's the it's missing
411 stuff, which is kind of

627
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,600
funny, but there are, that's
where all the national parks are

628
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,040
missing cave systems and missing
people.

629
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:30,440
So it seems to be a lot of these
missing people are around The

630
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,240
Cave systems.
Yeah, look at that.

631
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,800
Yeah, I'm showing you.
If you're watching, I'm showing

632
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,960
you.
Yeah, the they're, they're all

633
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,920
clustered right where the caves
are.

634
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,400
Yep, which?
And a lot of these caves are in

635
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,920
the national parks.
Interesting.

636
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Which makes sense.
Fascinating.

637
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Because these are points of
geological interest or, you

638
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,280
know, natural beauty.
Of course they would have cave

639
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,800
systems underneath them.
Sure, it makes sense.

640
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,360
But all these people are going
missing.

641
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,560
So The Cave system, does that
have something to do with it?

642
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,080
I think maybe there's some legs
to this.

643
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,760
It could be.
Now this is where a shit gets

644
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,160
weird.
OK, The Cave systems,

645
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,160
potentially people believe that
there are people who live in

646
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,320
these cave systems and they
don't, you know, of course,

647
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,720
don't pay taxes or anything like
that.

648
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,920
And it's like an entire society
that's down underground.

649
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,240
Entire society.
Yeah, like, like an, like a

650
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:43,200
bunch of folks live in these
cave systems off grid and, and

651
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,680
there may be snatching children
or, you know, doing stuff like

652
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,800
that.
There's actually a story this

653
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,840
this woman was saying that her
mom said that a man actually had

654
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,920
come bursting out of the
hillside when she was a little

655
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,960
girl at Carter Caves, which is
in Kentucky.

656
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,160
And he said that he had been
wandering around underground for

657
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,560
days and saw, finally saw like
light and through the ground.

658
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,920
They were actually just the
family was sitting there having

659
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,880
a like a picnic and this man
comes out like just comes

660
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,120
wandering out.
He was a hiker and was like,

661
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,440
I've been wandering around.
I could not find my way out of

662
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,040
this cave system.
He comes out and which makes

663
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,760
sense.
You know, of course you're in a

664
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,280
cave.
There's a cave system.

665
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,840
You wouldn't if you didn't know
The Cave system, you wouldn't

666
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,760
know how to get out of it.
But if you are a hiker and you

667
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,840
got lost in it, you could very
easily perish in there, right.

668
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,840
So maybe something like that
with with Carl Landers, but

669
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:49,680
there are so many, they're
saying different cave systems

670
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,440
that potentially there's even
this is where it gets when

671
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,680
you're saying like secret
underground military bases and

672
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,280
these there are facilities and
stuff underneath the ground in

673
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:09,160
the United States in general.
Once again, you bring the map up

674
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400
and people are saying, no, I
know there's an underground base

675
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,880
here.
And actually we have spoken

676
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,880
about underground bases.
Oh yeah.

677
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,000
They do exist.
Yeah, I think they do.

678
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:24,920
This ties back to I I weirdly
the DIA with the lizard people

679
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,680
who live underground and snatch
children for their.

680
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:35,120
Right for their needs, right for
their for like, what is it their

681
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,360
blood or whatever.
There was some, yeah.

682
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,760
They needed something to live or
eat or survive for something.

683
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,320
I can't remember.
I mean, like, look, like, are

684
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,960
there probably subterranean
like, like legitimate bases or

685
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,600
legitimate like where weapons
are stored and stuff?

686
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,600
Yeah, I mean, that's legit.
Is it Bigfoot snatching babies

687
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,120
or like a reptilian army
snatching babies?

688
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,800
And, you know, like, is that
what happened to Dennis Little?

689
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Dennis Martin?
Probably not.

690
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,000
I thought that it would be fun
to do a little bit of an episode

691
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,760
on missing 411.
But the more and more you

692
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,840
uncover, the more and more
theories there are, and the less

693
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480
and less, less, less answers you
have.

694
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,840
Yeah.
Which?

695
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,440
And like if anything, the the
more you dig the the crazier.

696
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,960
The more extreme.
Extreme and absurd at times.

697
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,280
The people you know believe in
some of this stuff too.

698
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,760
That's just like off the charts.
I'm sure that there are like

699
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:46,280
crazy, like kind of kooky people
who live in The Cave systems,

700
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,480
like in the Great Smoky
Mountains.

701
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Oh, I'm sure there are.
Which would not surprise me.

702
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,080
No.
Are they snatching children a la

703
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,160
What was that movie?
I forget what it was called, but

704
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,840
it was about like this woman who
like snatched people and like

705
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,120
treated them like her babies.
Anyways, it was really it was

706
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,160
really scary.
But is that actually happening?

707
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,000
I don't think so.
I'm not entirely sure.

708
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,880
And like, you know, poor Bigfoot
getting brought into this whole

709
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,440
spiel because David Politis like
was on a quest to find him.

710
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,800
Like, I, I think that there are,
there are a ton of missing

711
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,080
people who are going in these
national parks, but I don't

712
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,160
know, bring a fucking compass
with you.

713
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,120
Like like like can we please
learn how to remember we were

714
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,600
talking about in the that flight
with the the.

715
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Soccer team.
The soccer team or wasn't a

716
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,960
rugby team, no soccer team, OK
with the soccer team.

717
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,440
And they went missing and they
kept on turn.

718
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,040
They they didn't know what they
were doing.

719
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,120
They their plane crashed.
They ended up finally finding

720
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,600
because they were locating a
body of water.

721
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,080
Follow the water or the road
like you did and know that's how

722
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,320
you find civilization.
So next time you're, you know,

723
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:16,680
hiking, if you get lost, yeah,
look for a road or for for like

724
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,160
water and follow the water, the
water source the the Creek or

725
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,560
whatever, because you'll find
civilization.

726
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,520
Let's talk about Bigfoot for
just about second.

727
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,800
Just a quick second.
Do you believe in Bigfoot?

728
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:40,840
Maybe the answer is maybe.
Do I think like there's so many

729
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,280
like fakers out there, what I've
seen and we'll do like an entire

730
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,440
actual like Bigfoot episode
that's not tied to Missing 411.

731
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:58,320
Do I believe that maybe Bigfoot
could be like another

732
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,400
dimensional like being?
Maybe there are people that I've

733
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,400
heard that said, I don't believe
in any of this shit.

734
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,800
I'm a skeptic.
I saw Bigfoot in my fucking

735
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,680
backyard.
It wasn't an ape.

736
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,400
There was no, not me, no, no.
But people who are like, Oh my

737
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,840
God, I would be so scared.
Be like, and, and there are

738
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,720
people have the same stories,
like, you know, they'll say

739
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:27,680
things like it smells really bad
and it seems to pop in and kind

740
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,120
of be as freaked out about you
as you are about it.

741
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,680
And it pops out of wherever.
Like, it seemingly disappears

742
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,200
right in front of your eyes.
We've talked about dimensions.

743
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,280
Yeah.
Why couldn't something like that

744
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,160
exist?
And it may be kind.

745
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,640
Of well, maybe, and that's why
no one can get pictures of it

746
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,080
very well or track it, because
maybe it's not.

747
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,320
Maybe it is like some
dimensional thing.

748
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,600
Yeah, I I think there maybe
could be something like, once

749
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,960
again, I wanna believe.
In the privacy, I'm skeptical.

750
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,320
I, I have to admit, I'm a super,
super skeptic about the Bigfoot

751
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,480
thing.
But then I always fear being a

752
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
skeptic because then it looked
like a fool when it's real,

753
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,200
right?
You know, like, don't be so

754
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,840
skeptical.
And that's why I always say like

755
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,360
I, I kind of tend to to take
like the cop out answer because

756
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,720
I'm like, maybe, you know, like
then I'm not wrong or right

757
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,600
exactly.
Then I'm just incredibly

758
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,920
neutral.
I I think that there could be

759
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,840
something to it.
And just like this missing 411

760
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,920
stuff, I do think that these
people are going missing.

761
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,680
And I think that there is
something to it, whether it's a

762
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,680
cave system, whether it's people
who are really great serial

763
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,840
killers, which there are so
many.

764
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Yeah, they exist.
They absolutely exist.

765
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,280
National parks would be a great
place to to kill people without

766
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,520
a trace and to have fun with it
if that was what you're into.

767
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,880
And then there's also people who
are fucking stupid and don't

768
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,840
know what they're doing and are
ill prepared to camp or to hike.

769
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,880
Like they go on these like, you
know, big hikes to a summit like

770
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Mount Shasta and are so ill
prepared.

771
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:17,480
I think that might be a lot more
of the of the case and honestly,

772
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:23,200
like, do you deserve to be eaten
by a wild boar or like a bear?

773
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,200
Like have a bear or a bobcat
attack you?

774
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,000
Not necessarily, but like, maybe
fucking Darwin, like, you know,

775
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,800
survival of the fittest or
smartest, like fucking come on,

776
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,440
people.
You know, like so.

777
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,560
I don't know, I I thought.
It could be lots of things.

778
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,040
I guess it.
Could be a ton, yeah.

779
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,480
But if you've heard from or
about seen, seen any kind of,

780
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,840
you know, Sasquatch or if you've
had your own missing four on one

781
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,280
where you're almost a missing
person like Kevin was, you know,

782
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,480
tell us about it.
Go on to our website,

783
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,840
www.thebazaaraf.com.
You can leave if you click on

784
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,400
the mic, you can actually leave
a voicemail and we will play it

785
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,320
and explore the potential.
I'd love to do that.

786
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Yeah, yeah.
So, OK, cool.

787
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Thanks for listening to today.
Thanks for the episode.

788
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,760
Yeah, be safe hiking friends.
Please use some sense.

789
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,760
Thank you.
See you guys.

790
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:17,480
Bye