The Spirits of Flight 401

0:00 Hello, bizarre story. Junkies, if you're listening right now you are tuned into the bizarre AF where we talked about the strange, the Absurd, the unknown, and things that are bizarre AF, I'm Kevin and I'll be your host for today's episode. Keep an open mind keep a skeptical year, but keep listening to the facts. As we take you on our newest Journey, the spirits of Flight 401 Hey everyone.

1:03 As always and I wouldn't have it any other way. My co-host Des with the mostest is Alicia. Hey, girlfriend. Hey, how are you doing, babe? You know what I'm doing? Great, especially today. I think that one cocktail in hand, oh my gosh, yes, let us have a, there we go. You can see it there we got, which is wait, there you go. Hmm, Witches, Brew, which is broke. That's what we're drinking today. I'm super stars doing this. Yeah, I'm great. I am ready for this podcast.

1:44 Have my like flight stewardess. Perfect. Pop on my God. So I'm really stoked to hear. Why didn't I put on my stupid? Captain's uniform, do you have one? I have an Air Force. I should put my hair for his next time. Great. So um, this story that we're going to talk about. Hmm, it's about bad luck and tragedy, cover-ups and conspiracy and spirits, and ghosts? That's like everything we decided to Hope. Hurry of of goodness. I've got good bizarre as fuck this shit.

2:29 So you ready for Some ghostly goulash. I was born ready, okay? So in December of this year, it will actually be 50 years since this plane crash of Eastern flight 4150. This is the 50th Anniversary this year this year. Wow. And so I'm going to take you through the events that happened before the leading, the kind of the before, the flight during the flight and then the disastrous crash of the flight and then we're going to Talk about things that have happened after the crash. So we're going to take a full. It's the whole story from of like history involving involving this. Yes, it's going to be beginning to end. Okay, yeah.

3:12 And we're going to touch on, like I said, all kinds of little pieces of the things. We love to talk about. Yeah, because, you know, just just hearing about it like, the Eastern Airlines. I've never heard of Eastern Airlines. You haven't? No, oh my God. I feel so old. Fuck me. So Eastern Airlines was. Yeah. Clearly before your hearts time. God damn it. Well, you know what? Kevin I would never guess it was, it was during your time because you look so bless your heart. But what is, is, is it was a huge, like, major commercial airline. There was yes, like any like Southwest or yeah, whatever. Starry Night States.

3:57 Yeah. Well, I wasn't. Yeah, I was a union us. Airline. I can't remember where they flew predominantly if it was actually Eastern. You know like these codes? Yeah, I think I was even a western Airlines. I'm trying to think back. I think there might have been okay. Maybe they merged and became like maybe out west maybe. Oh, yeah that's funny. Southwest Airlines Northwest. Yeah, I'm sorry. I just have to continue my CI. This is look at this hair. That is not hair. Oh hey. Nobody know what that's from it. Seems like there was mustering a ghoul sitting in here, some kind of dead cool dad, cool thing with like amazing hair. Okay, so mmm, this happens.

4:44 So is 50 years. So the 72 names, samito and so on August, 18th, 1972 to be specific. There was a Lockheed and they call them l-1011. TriStar ours, that's the type of plane. Hmm. And it was delivered to What was then a very popular airline Eastern Airlines. This aircraft was actually the tenth TriStar to be delivered to that company. Okay. They had ordered a kind of athlete right now. This are this particular aircraft was going to be the one that would support the new york-jfk to Miami route. Okay, Miss varies. It was going to be for that route now on Friday. December 29, 1972.

5:31 This Eastern flight 401 boarded, it taxied, it departed, all without incident, everything was normal, 9:20 in the evening, on Eastern time. It was going to fly to Miami. There were a hundred and sixty three passengers on board and 13 flight crew. Okay, well it's a pretty 13 flight crew. That's a pretty that's a big crew. Well this was a fancy Dancy state of the art at the time aircraft. Wow. Like it was the bomb so they Not packed in like sardines, like we are and I'm sure anyone tear lights her. What I did. You go online. You can actually see some of the maps of the, of the interior and it looked pretty cozy.

6:12 I'm not cozy like but like comfortable. Yeah, you're comfortable. You probably got dressed before you got on the flight and yoga pants, right? Your tweets was camel toe and out through your mouth. Okay. So the flight was under the command of Captain, Robert Loft, who was 55, he was a veteran pilot, he was ranked actually 50th and seniority Stern. So he had, you know, really lot of experience. He had been with the airline 32 years over 2,900 hours of flight time and on this particular aircraft, he had over two hundred and eighty hours so I figure two hours of flat, I mean that's a hundred and some odd flights.

6:59 I mean, tons of expect Super experienced. His flight crew was first officer Albert Stockdale, he was 39. He had over fifty eight hundred hours of flying experience and 306 of them. On this particular aircraft, all very experienced people. There was a flight engineer. Donald repo, he was 51. He had 1500 hours of flight experience in 53 hours on this particular l-1011. Okay. Now, there was actually a Company employee on this flight. He was a technical Sir, Angelo doneto, he was 47, but he was actually Dead Heading to Miami. Hmm, and for those who aren't in the airline business, deadheading is the practice of an Airline employee, who's flying free of charge on a normal passenger trips so that they can be at the right place at the right time to start their shift.

7:52 That's what deadheading is called and Angela was on this particular flight. Going to Miami to start going to be starting his shift. I believe the next day. Flight, totally routine. Everything was totally redeemed. It's about 11:30 to in the evening and they're starting to prepare for their Final Approach to Miami. So after the, after they lower the, the landing gear, the first officer stock, he'll notice that the indicator that confirms that the landing gear is down, was not illuminated. Now the problem with planes back then is that everything was analog like like it was literally light bulbs behind a plastic window. Yeah.

8:37 Right, huh? Like thank God. We don't do that anymore, but this, the bulb for that. At particular indicator, come to find out later was just burnt out. So when they lowered the landing gear it lowered but that little light was burnt out. So it didn't say I'm down, right? So they're thinking they're like okay the landing gear is not going down fuck and when and they're smart enough to go, okay, well is it just the bulb? Okay, so they're like trying to take it out and go you know trying to disassemble the dashboard lights going on. Yes. People are in the back like, oh yeah, I can, I get another car and the flight Crews like exactly.

9:24 Okay. I have a question. Yes. Yeah. So we have these light bulbs testers for? I don't know. Christmas lights so. Wouldn't you think that? Yeah. Were you like, you put it in there? Wouldn't you think that they would have, like some kind of tester in the cockpit? But could you imagine doing that on every light bulb, number one? But number two, it was not just a matter of like popping off the Little plastic thing, it was like an ordeal apparently stupid design. Yeah, it's really stupid design, especially, especially when something that can be such a huge deal with. Like, we can't land the plane, clearly, we're talking about clearly a big deal. And the other thing is that today they can just push a little button and look at a camera that's mounted at the bottom, the plane go.

10:11 You had a landing gears down. They didn't have that either. Yeah, just like like when were backing up in our cars? You have a camera. We can see what's behind US, senator. Oh my God, right? So the pilots are cycling, the landing gear repeatedly, trying to go. Okay? Is it? It's not going down, it's not going down. Well, maybe it is going down, but we just don't know it's going. That's so they're, you know, they're concerned, right? Right. Right, right. We may not have landing gear. We have to just slide right on it. I didn't dump my God. So, Captain lap tells the tower at this point that they're going to discontinue their approach, clearly. We potentially have no landing gear. So we're just gonna go ahead and not loan and right now, so they said go into a holding pattern. Oh, okay.

10:56 So they make them do that whole loop de loop and so they have them to the controller says yes. Go to 2,000 feet and you're gonna like, do your little hold over the Everglades. Yes, okay. Over the Everglades, over the Everglades. Mmm. So the captain tells officer repo to go down to the avionics Bay, which is beneath the flight deck to and they had a little small port hole that they could like, look, they could go and they can see the landing gear. Oh, but they had to go down under the plane and look through the little hole. No. Oh so like you see like the whole flight crew like walk back there. Like You're like, what the fuck is going on? That's why I think you could get you actually get.

11:38 Yes, I can't remember if it was. Yeah, I don't know if that's, if you get to it from the front of the plane of the back of the plane, either way, it's not a promise. Yeah, I think I'm right. Okay. So then Captain laughs instructs first officer stock held to put the plane into autopilot so that they can like focus on the landing gear. Like, we can't fly the plane and figure out what the f is going on. So you will put the plane on autopilot. You go down and look at the little hole in the bottom of the plane, and we're going to try to maybe pop this thing off and see if it's a bulb or you know what? I'm going to try to figure it out, so the actual problem. It's nice, right? So for the next 80 seconds from the moment, he from that point, the plane flies, At the main that the level two thousand feet, it then drops 100 feet, which is about 30 meters.

12:34 And then again, flu level for about two more minutes and at that point it starts to descend very gradually but they're not aware that it is descending, but there's so much violence aren't they're so focused on trying to figure out the landing gear, they don't realize that the plane is very slowly descending ooooo. Oh, no, because they have it on autopilot. They're like, we're good. It's on. I don't have an autopilot. So it's like it's like when you're driving and you're, you have it on cruise control and maybe you're not, you know, you're not controlling the actual steering wheel or whatever. Yeah.

13:20 Like what - is 11:30 at night so it is Pitch. Black. Oh it's super dark so it's all over the Everglades. There's no homes. Oh yeah. There's no homes. There's no light. There's nothing to see that you're getting snow ideas during no idea. And I'm not looking at the altitude at the altimeter. I think it's called I'm focused on getting this fucking panel off of this board so I can figure out if I have landing gear, right, right. Because Landing like, yeah, it's yes. You're like Roger okay. Roger but also I don't know, isn't there a fucking co-pilot? You told me there is a co-pilot there. Yeah. Like so the captain and the copilot or front trying to focus on the landing gear, while it's not the point of having a co-pilot, well, the engineers downstairs, looking through the hole.

14:03 But why do they both need to be concentrated on whether or not the landing gear? Like because ones like sure to the manual going, okay? The other ones trying to get the thing off of the, the the thing off of the bulb, the other ones try. I mean there's just a lot It happened and also their on autopilot. So it's never fucked up before, this is really common legging. Like right, we're just on online flat at 2,000 feet and just we're just flying flat at 2,000 feet. I don't need to care. I don't need to worry about that. Okay, sorry, I'm just I'm just feeling this happening. Like, it's like my worst time, exactly. Okay. So It continues to descend over the next few minutes.

14:44 Until finally, his altitude warning located under the engineers. Work station goes off saying your low, but uh-oh, Engineers down under the fucking right plane. So they don't see this warning because it's under the engineers station. And well, he's downstairs and they don't hear anything. Because this is an old plane. Yeah. It's not like it's not like it's Yup. Yes. I like some big monitors. Yeah, yeah. Like FYI you're getting close right. It's only in one area on the area and he's not there. Oh my God. So so the captain laughed tells the first officer stalk Hill.

15:26 Those two are up there to start the 180-degree. Turn back to Miami because now they're getting a ways out. So they need to start heading back because if they're going to be doing the circling thing that I want to get too far, right? So start the 180-degree turn and to come back to the airport. So we tell them to do that. That well when the first officer in order to do the turn, he has to take the plane off of autopilot. So when he takes it off of autopilot he's like Why does that not say 2,000 feet and so are you back up? Oh my God. And so this is the discrepancy. He's like that doesn't say 2,000 feet. We were supposed to be at 2000 feet this whole entire time and so in actuality they're well below 250 feet shut. Uh-huh.

16:24 Uh-huh. 250 25 stories that is like, so like you're right there. It's, yeah, you're a ground right there. You can't see anything because you're also over the Everglades. Yeah, freaking thing. Okay, so they're Godot. I'm gonna play you an audio clip, okay? And this audio clip is the moment that Captain Loft tells officer Stock Hill to start the 180-degree turn. And when I start playing this, it is that moment until the end, the end the end. Okay. Okay.

17:04 This is hard, here we go. Mmm, okay, 180. Hey, we did some of the altitude here. What? We're still a 2000, right? What's Happening Here? Hey, what's happening here? Beats. How fast it happened. Holy shit. That's how fast it I'm sitting. I'm sitting and hopefully first class. Uh-huh. Fucking drinking my cocktail and you don't know nothing, you know, nothing which you kind of go. Okay, well that was at least you're not panicking. But we're going to talk about.

17:54 There were a lot of survivors, shut up. Okay. Okay, so that happened. How fast were they going again? Where they were going, 227 miles an hour fast fast. Okay, I mean, not as fast when you're flying. You're like 500. I think up there but you're still going 227 miles announce still? Yeah, it's a still pretty fast. So that was about 19 miles at the end of the actual Runway because they were going to do the U-turn to come back, right? Um, so with the aircraft and mid-turn because he had had them, he told them to go into the 180-degree turn when he turns. So, the first thing that hits is the Nose hail the tail, right? So they're turning yes.

18:40 Oh, that's right, right. So then the tail hits the first and then the left engine and then the landing gear and then the nose and so soon as the nose hit, it just started to Tumble and disintegrated over the heart because this yeah, this is going so fast. It just went somersaulting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, I mean yeah. Just Disintegrating. Splintering apart all over. Come the place. A passenger by the name of Ron and Vin Tino is on this flight. And he starts to come to me. He's waking up.

19:24 And he's finally getting his bearings and he's kind of becoming conscious when he discovers he's sitting in his chair, the seat belt, fastened sitting in a swamp. No, hahaha upright, completely naked shut he's completely naked. Completely butt-ass naked, talk about a rude. Awakening odd dead silent. Yeah, cause you're so here's nothing like nothing just you could hear a pin drop, he says my God and he starts to feel pain. So now he's his Rib was hurting.

20:07 He's got blood kind of dripping down his head. Yeah, and he's looking around and he sees all the wreckage and in his his he quotes. His the first thing he says is, oh my God, we've crashed He just realized now he suddenly realized butt-ass naked in this chair. Yikes. So definitely weird. I mean, yeah. That's like that's like what nightmares are made out of like, that's what you think that's your giant snowball. Yes, exactly. Totally. It's like, it's like, you wake up from it and you're like, was I, was he sleeping? Is it? When you actually see me know, oh, Hugh know, so he was knocked out.

20:49 He knocked out right? Yeah. Trying to put the pieces together when you wake up like that, you're like confusing. Oh my God. But he's still how weird? How weird would that be? If you're like sitting? You're like, okay, I'm still seated naked and seatbelt, I must not wind up naked in a swamp. Totally naked. I mean not to be crude or rude or whatever but like the mosquito bites, alligator. Yeah. I guess I'll use. I'm like, I'm like the mosquito bites would be off. Because how long the question is, like, how long was he? Unconscious seconds? Okay. So so he woke up pretty quickly after. Yes, it happened.

21:31 Yes. And he was sitting, was he like submerged and? Yes. Yes. Okay. It was like, I don't think, I think I think it was walks. I think, at one point, he said, when I read his interview, he said it was chin. Deep chin, deep ocean, deep. Your like, oh, I'm in this, like weird water. Yeah, maybe cold or whatever? Shock shock to your so shocked. Yeah fuck. And you can't hear anything manually? Hurry. I did take a flight. I did just crash. Wow! So 101 people died that night. The deceased comprised of three of the four cockpit crew. Oh my God! Two of the ten flight attendants and 96 of the 163 passengers. So there were at least 75 survivors. Wow.

22:21 Of that monstrosity of a crash. And just thinking about that like you you wake up even if you're like on like you're in a flight, you wake up, you knew that you were on, you know, you're heading to Miami or whatever going to party it up because that's what is great about going to Miami watching all the cool like outfits and shit. So you're there and then you wake up it's not like you have like a captain or like the whole flight crew is like hey you know, Our systems got fucked up. This is what happened, you are basically alone, not only that looking around, I'm sure that it's pitch-black. It's not like you have a cell phone, like you might well, even if he did have a pocket, his pockets gone. Anyway.

23:10 Well not and will end on a 1979 not-not-not 1979. So it's like you don't have a flashlight with you. That's the other thing. They did not have flashlights. That wasn't a mandatory piece of equipment on airlines back then. So, not even the flight attendants had a flashlight. So, you're in a fucking swamp, Everglades and things like a few things on fire smoldering. Really good wreckage everywhere. Yeah. And then you start hearing people moaning. Yeah. Screaming potentially. I mean. Come on. You're dying dying. Yeah, exactly. So due to the some of the quick-thinking actions of those flight attendants and despite their actual own injuries, And a lot of them were credited with helping the passengers actually to survive.

23:59 Wow, they also quickly assess the situation and began yelling out to the other survivors. Like, if you have a, because you could smoke on planes and stuff like that, oh yeah, that's real. Like, do not like your fucking lighter because there's flight fuel everywhere. Oh, I would never think about that. They did instantly and said, do you hear us? Don't light, you know, do not strike matches or light your light? Or yeah, don't tell her. We would then all die. Fuck yeah, the smart smart. Can we give them gold medal at all? Like, yeah. Okay. So all those flight attendants who, you know, deal with all the dumb bullshit, right? We are giving you guys official gold standard hero Metals.

24:43 I need we need. So I have the dumbass you crazy award. Oh, yeah. But these, we need to come up with a hero award. You, you you aren't you fuck? Can Superstar. Yeah. Super Star Wars. Yeah, I'll come up with that next time. Okay? So So, they did some really cool things. So they tried to calm the survivors down and they started singing Christmas carols to try to keep everyone calm, what a great keeping up people's hopes, just doing all the you know, the good things that you would hope that they would do. Like I said mentioned before flashlights, weren't part of that equipment and on the 10th the time. So they had no light they had no source of light. So I do a lot of this in the dark so you're probably saying that Marco Polo Marco.

25:33 Paula. Oh my God. Alright, so if of the cockpit crew, only the flight engineer repo, the guy who they sent down to the electronics Bay, right? He was the one that survived the initial crash. He did end up passing in the hospital but he did not. He didn't die instantly along with that technical officer than a do who I told you about was deadheading. Hmm. So he actually had gone down into the electrical. They come to find out with officer repo to help him. Oh, they we didn't know that at the time, but they knew that he was on the plane. And so he had asked him to come down and help him, you know?

26:15 And he is conscious. So, yeah, thank God. We have someone, right. Exactly. So, the so Stock Hill, who was the copilot, he was unfortunately was killed on impact. Captain Loft died in the wreckage of the flight deck before he could be transported to the hospital. So he didn't die instantly. Unfortunately, kind of roof. Yeah, that's awful. And repo was evacuated to the hospital like I said, but he also, later died. Do we know if they were conscious? Yes, I think the captain. Oh, God was sucks.

26:58 That totally sucks. I hope, I guess I wonder if he was Able to remember what was going on in that moment and and say like, hey, this is what happened, this is where we're at. Maybe like another question, I guess I have is in the 1970s or they have like an SOS, were they able to? Because obviously, like the the, what's it called, the people who are white control my control, they knew that this flight was all of a sudden they knew and they could see it descending right, because, right? Yes. And yeah, so they knew what had happened and then it goes off of radar. So then use clearly something was wrong, which is, I think how they got help pretty quickly, right God.

27:45 Yeah. So so repo is have a key to the hospital. He later died from his injuries. The NATO was the Lone Survivor of that for deck flight crew, and he ultimately recovered from all of his physical injuries, talk about guilt. How could you imagine I could not Honestly, I really truly heartbreaking. You would think, honestly, I would think that he would have died if you were in like the not the whole or like the basement of the ship. Yeah. The what do they call it? The something under the flight deck. Yeah. Whatever. That was down there and we're going to call it the hall. Okay. The whole but the whole like the whole of the ship like you would think that that makes impact. But I mean I guess the way that it fell, yeah. Because remember, it was doing this whole side turning and so he hit kind of on the Side, I would never guess that, you know.

28:36 Yeah, I mean, I would know you would think, I don't know. That's some fucked. Okay. That dude has some kind of Lucky clovers. Whatever it was not his time now. No, chances are not a diet belt, not know. Yeah, we just like open into this. Place is not meant for human beings to be when you fly it. Like, and he's still alive so alive. Wow. Yes. so, The investigation discovered that the autopilot had been inverted, Lee switched from altitude, hold to what they call control wheel steering CWS in Pitch mode. So in this mode, once the pilot releases pressure on the Yoke, which is the the thing that they do the autopilot remains in that pitch of that altitude of the aircraft until it's moved again. And they think what happened is that the captain? We know when they were talking or moving or doing whatever he kind of tapped The yellow is leaning into it, right? I think it's just maybe he tapped, you know, forward or something and he that's what caused it to go poop. Okay, so now I'm going to start descending so that's what autopilot just kept he so it took whatever that command was and just kept with it.

29:50 Okay. Why the fuck? I mean, thank God. We're not on flights like this and like our flights are by and large computers just flying us. Totally, you know, like my Tesla I mean yes, they've gotten so far that it's smart enough to go. I'm not going to acknowledge your TAP. Yeah. Like, you're fucking not paying attention example, a little drunk. But you know what I think is really interesting about that is like, one, the Precedence that it could like one. Why the fuck is that? Even an option for a plane today? I'm like, in the ground. It makes zero sense. Why that would even be something that would be useful in Flight. I know who knows, right.

30:31 I mean, we're here. We're here. What? However, many years later. Right? Thankfully, it's no longer a thing. Probably, right. Exactly. You have to learn those things. Unfortunately, the terrible hard way. So So like yeah, as I said that slight pressure forward on that, stick would have caused that aircraft to enter that slow descent. And again, it was a CWS system is what they called it and so that's what happened and it's so I didn't warn them that it was doing it because it is assumed that was intentional. The captain wanted them to do that, right? As you would as well, huh? So in an effort to save money. Hmm. Eastern Airlines salvages And kept as many of those valuable components as the airplane, as they could for spare parts, for shot Lanes. So net, they didn't keep anything that was no, it was If it had any exactly, if I was a small dent, will keep it. It's like a cat, like, when you're going grocery shopping, you get like a dent.

31:39 It like it. Like in the canned foods to sit down. Oh, it's just a dent, it's fine, it's not gonna hurt. You can't cause cancer. Like, that's totally cool. It's the rest. That kills you exactly. It's don't worry about it. Botulism, it's totally fine. Like, yeah, not a thing. You did get it 30% off. Right now. Exactly are saving money. 30% off your botulism where we are. Yeah. We are approaching recession, so every penny counts. Exactly. Oh my God, Eastern Airlines. Good guy, right? So they want to keep these parts. And so when they build new planes, the wool will just use these parts that have just not really, even been used because it's a brand new plane and so we're just going to use that part for them the money. Cheap motherfuckers.

32:26 So they claim Eastern claims that these Airlines, these airplanes were top of the line where these are the guys like the latest and greatest of their plans. So that shit was super expensive and so like we're trying to save money so that the passengers save money and save mine Comfort, y'all don't, thank you. Okay, if there's anything, if I'm flying fucking whatever, I don't care if I'm in coach I don't care if I'm so strapped to the side of the fucking plane or in first Like I would prefer like, like, give me give me working parts that have not been in a, in a crystal accident that big really appreciated. Oh yes, thank you.

33:07 So they just so they say, if they could recover, the these expensive parts and restore them and clean them up and make them, you know, certified worthiness, then you know, it's saves everyone in the long run. It's a good, it's a good thing. Yes. So sure enough, they did, in fact, install many of these salvage parts in other planes, one example, they did is they actually were, they were able to salvage a, a full Galley and put this gal whole Galley into this particular plane did it have blood from the from the previous passengers know that cleat Tada oh yeah I'm sure yeah sure it was nice and squeaky clean making it.

33:48 They painted it over all the blood, totally bones. And shit. So Eastern has never been transparent with this information so it's difficult to understand to get the full scope of actually what they did replace and what they did Salvage. But it's been very proven that they did do it just people, they're just not ful, fully goes no dressed exactly what they did and his where they did it the other. Like remember that light bulb that went out? That's what we did. Salvage that light bulb? No, no, the light bulb has been salvaged. We just reworks the wire and the fucking something else faulty.

34:28 Like, no wonder why that fucking light bulb on a brand, new plane wasn't working there. Probably cutting Corners everywhere. And that's, you know what's? So fucked up about that? That is no different than flights today, whores or not even planes. Like, you see that shit all the time when they try to pinch pennies cut Corners save money. Oh, but it's Gonna Save Our consumer in the long ago. I'll save, ya know, then people like you said, get botulism or E.coli or whatever, I don't know, died in a fucking plane crash, what the fuck Jesus Christ. So, Over the following months and years story started circulating that employees of Eastern Airlines and the numerous passengers had reported, sightings of dead crew members including Captain, Robert Loft. And Second Officer, Donald repo aboard other L. 10/11 They're literally reporting seeing them on these other l-1011 s. How could that be one?

35:33 Might ask. Well, let's go into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So first, I'm going to tell you all of the different ghost stories that people have talked about here and I'm ready, okay? The vice president of Eastern Airlines, he boards, a flight from New York. He chats with a pilot on the plane and he who assumed was a pilot of a of the of this particular flight. He wasn't didn't know he's chatting later after the fact he recognized that the pilot he'd been speaking to was Bob, shut up. What were they talking about?

36:17 Do we have like any details as far as that never went into details about what they were talking about? But just that he was chatting up with Bob like, oh yeah. You know. How we have a yeah. You like your like your job or your cool. Yeah. Like where are you flying to you tomorrow? Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever like I don't know. Your class Miami. Yeah. You want to go on to a flight Miami? Go down with the ship. Oh my God. That is what. That's what nightmares are made of exactly. You have this ghostly fucking pilot who's like, you want to go down with Ship with me and like, no, Bob, nobody wants to go down. No Bob, no, nobody wants to go down with the ship.

37:00 That is an Antiquated fucking thing. No one wants to do. And what we'll find out here in a little bit is that Bob was like, actually like not trying to hot people, he was trying to protect them. He was raised, he was trying to say you are on a planes that have some used shit. It was like he felt guilty, his Spirit felt guilty. Ah, so it's like he's trying to prevent what happened? Stop it. Yes happen again and also it was, you know, kind of his fault potentially right now. There was some negligence involved. Yes. Like, he was leaning on the actual, like, I don't know. Steering. Like, you one wouldn't think to look at the altimeter when your A autopilot but clearly that was a human mistake. Yes it was human error so he's trying to potentially right? The wrongs in order to lay across over. Yes that's the thing.

37:53 A lot of these Spirits were stuck on this plane. They could not go beyond. Well they didn't even know that they were dead. Right? Because it happened. So you said 250 feet. That's right. 25 stories. Fucking done. Boom. How would you ever you would? Never think you might not know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you might not know. Well, remember, Ron didn't know he was in a plane crash until after a few minutes, right? Until he's like, you know, chest deep and fucking swamp water. That's right. Yeah. And thank God no. I'm having some pain and these flight attendants are saying, don't let your fucking, and ya think I'm weird waking up to Silent Night.

38:34 Oh my God. That is Swagman. Yeah, it totally is. So another time a captain was asked to check on a passenger In First Class who was Was a pilot. It was in a pilot's uniform and the senior flight attendant said that he was like days and unresponsive and when spoken to, he wasn't on the passenger list and again, later the captain real recognized him as a bob. Hey Bob, no! The Bob Bob, the Bob, a flight attendant on a New York flight to Miami. She opened up an overhead Locker because I've been because the Had wanted something she sobbed Bob's head. Shut the fuck up.

39:18 Yeah. Like this is so so much so that she flew back into the passenger seat because it scared her so much because she, I literally Saw Head. Dude. This is like Beetlejuice. Yeah, totally. This is like Beetlejuice. Yeah. Beetlejuice beat it. Bob bob bob and you fucking so on another flight, a flight attendant saw Dawn's face on the oven door and like night galley. So she called to crew in to see what she had witnessed to make to make sure that she wasn't like crazy and they saw him. And then and he said and he said, watch out for the fire on this plane. What?

40:01 And on the returning flight that engine on that plane failed and had to be shut down before it caught fire. What the fuck? So these captains are like like you guys are like flying on planes. That had my broken shit in it. Yes. So Careful. Yes. so it's almost like it kind of feels like, Like like they're trying to not repent, but like, prevent something that had happened to them, from how it's almost like they're like, Guardian Angels or like watching said, I think they couldn't cross over. They weren't there was, they weren't handpiece a Penance paying a Penance or trying to make up.

40:44 Yeah. Maybe they felt so guilty. Yeah. Again, it bottom line, human error, right? Right. So maybe they did. Maybe they were, like, I can't go because I I've to make sure that these are people. I have to. Yeah. Okay, so here's another one. One day, it crew were in a cockpit discussing airplane stuff when they discovered Dawn sitting right next to them. And then he warns them of this faulty electrical circuit. They're like, what the hell? Like, what will they decide to go check it out. And so they went and just go, okay, well, we'll go look at whatever this because they were confused or like what am I saying? Yeah, they did in fact discover a faulty circuit they found it and they replaced it.

41:31 Okay. So if you're in a smart like these, these Pilots were well known. This was a huge plane crash, right? Yes. So I think that word probably spreads saying like hey, Bob and Don are fucking telling us that like the oh yeah. That's why I, you know, if you see bothered on wonderful lesson Listen to what they're saying, right? Cuz they're calling some some real shit out. Exactly. Holy shit. So like out of curiosity, how long was this going on years years? Yeah. So this is so folklore. Like, like, this is something that is building people know, people are really starting to know and pay attention writing to know about this and it's almost probably welcomed.

42:19 If you see the well, not welcome. Like you're like, fuck our plane could crash. But like right you're like, hey, they're warning God. I hope I see Bob. Yeah. If I don't see Bob that I could be dead or if everything's fine. Yeah? Right whatever. So Bob was seen doing free, PreFlight checks on the aircrafts and told the ground staff. It would be okay as he'd already had completed the flight checks and the pilot was so unnerved by what had happened. He just completely canceled. The flight I would do. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, you wait. You're like you completed white, what comes by was like and now I got it. Huh? Good? Hey.

43:00 Hey John, don't worry about it already, checked everything out. It's like bitch. You fucking made your fight. Like you, you were pushing on your fucking steering wheel and made the flight to send. Anyways, I do not count on you to make sure that our fucking flightcheck is okay. I would be, I would totally cancel it. I'd be like yeah I know I just was not something I want to fuck with crazy. Yeah, to Crazy fuck. So here's the last one. So while in a Cockpit one day preparing for the flight at Pilot heard loud, knocks from under the floor underneath them. And when he opened that trapdoor, which is where they had sent repo. Hmm. Dawn looking right at him who then promptly immediately disappeared and he wanted to look further. And so he went down the pilot went down there to look and he actually found a problem down there that could have caused. A problem with a serious problem with the flight. So had he not seen Don's face, he wouldn't have seen this potentially bad problem.

44:03 So, the moral of all of these stories is they weren't there to be creepy or haunty or weird. They were doing this to help people. Yeah, to make sure that they didn't make the same mistakes that they had. That's right. Right. It's almost like like, okay, so here's the, here's the question that I have for you is like When you're kind of, I guess paying Penance or whatever like is that is that one of those things that you feel like you you need to do? Like, do you feel like do you feel like I'm I have unfinished business and I need to make up for a mistake that I made.

44:46 And so I'm going to spend all this energy all this time. I think that's some of it, I think. like you said before they weren't they weren't ready to die. They didn't know. It may have some of them may not have really even realized they were dead. In fact there's one woman that we'll talk about here in a minute who I don't passenger hood on a who I don't think knew was dead and so I think that's just it. They had felt such guilt. Over 100 passengers, right ahead? Yeah, so, you didn't just kill yourself. It's one thing, it's one thing if you make a mistake and you're the person that ends up passing away, but you killed any ball if you kill people or even like having, I think that there could be a lot of guilt potentially if you have such because that's okay, here's the thing energy, right? Like something traumatic, an Umm, there's like an energy signature or there's like like you can go to like the Twin Towers in New York City, like the memorial and people say, God is a really weird feeling here.

45:56 I can feel the extreme like, the extreme feelings and stuff. And like, there's a there's there's just, there's something odd. There you have a place like, or a situation like this, where it was incredibly sudden, it was a total accident, a lot of people had no idea that they No had even died or whatever the the energy that's associated with that. Yes interesting. And I think that could be like something that I don't know. Oh no that is that is absolutely something and in fact there is something called Psychometry, we had we discussed that on our communication Spirits can connect to physical objects, that energy can connect to physical objects.

46:49 And that's what I really think happened here is the writing in these these pieces and parts are get put in all these other planes. And so, the energy of that to these pieces that are on these planes, right? That traumatic experience. That the energy of that trauma is in the plane. These existing planes. Yes themselves. So why wouldn't you warn someone? Like there something wrong? I mean, if I'm a ghost I would most certainly do something like that. You wouldn't make things so you would hope so you'd hope so if you haven't had enough but I think, I think part of it, I'd just a theory of mine is like part of it has to do with that extreme like unknowing extreme situation, where a shitload of people die and there's like a huge loss, I feel like that's a huge part of it, where that can take on and like for years afterwards, totally like crows, a grade. Yeah, I don't know.

47:47 So after these sightings Things didn't stop. The crew was encouraged to report every single incident pertaining to this flight aircraft in the log, book on the plane, no matter how big, or how small. So there's this logbook that they have on planes in there and they were encouraged to log everything. All of the supernatural stuff that yes and anything out of the ordinary, they were told to lock. There were a lot of sightings that were recorded in these flight books I mean and across all the plans, you know, many of the planes, right? it's imagine these flight books, and there's just all these like, logs since we know this, not only from the numerous Reports are eyewitnesses right from people that are reported, but then the sightings were reported by the flight, safety Foundation, publication.

48:49 And of course, this is to the extreme disapproval of Eastern area, of course. Eastern Airlines is like, yeah, yeah, no, no, we don't want to know. We don't want people to know that we have like ghosts Parts on our fucking exhale then no. No. Okay. So now Now suddenly Eastern Airlines CEO is dismissing all. Now, there's something dismissing, all these claims and say it's a bunch of nonsense and quote garbage. And so now the crew is warned, do not talk about the sightings do not report the sightings do not document these sightings and do not spread any words of ghosts. And if you do, you will be fired. Fucking Eastern Airlines goddamn. So now guess what?

49:41 The logbooks disappear bom-bom-bom are gone. Oh, they all disappear. It's all these. So, all these stories that they're having, yep, are now locked up. They had all logged, huh. Yep. All gone. Oh my God, I got to do it. Yeah, so now Eastern Airlines is like, f that this is not real. So there, what there? And what they feel like is a complete PR Nightmare, and whether publicly denying that their planes were hot, they decided they would go ahead and remove all this.

50:22 I'd like, we're not, we're not haunted, but we're going to go ahead and take those parts out of those other planes that we they knew exactly where they placed them. Exactly. Uh-huh. Yeah, we're gonna do, we're going to take that shit out. Out when replace that with some your stuff because they probably need repaired anyone? I probably your Eastern Airlines. Yeah. Then guess what happened? Because away goes away. Okay, here's the thing. I'm looking from a marketing perspective from a marketing standard. Okay? Now, would you, let's say, okay, it's like we're having, like, like all these weird things, we are going to design a plane with, like, a bunch of new parts, but like, some of them are going to have like, these weird ghostly apparitions potentially attached to it, would you fly? On a flight like that if it had Apparition. Yeah, I'm gonna be there not gonna crash the plane. That's not their intent know.

51:20 Their intention is to make sure that you definitely Do Not Crash. I think that you could make a shitload of money Eastern Airlines like no wonder when. Oh yeah. You definitely missed out like say who wanted flights. Are you going to see Bob or done like Zack? Let's have a fucking resident psychic on the fucking on the flight, right? You fucking tarot cards and like, you know, Ouija board session. Like this could be a great A great thing. Uh-huh, Eastern. Airlines blew it. I blew it just like one creepy flight. Yeah. You know, I had to do it on all of them. No, no. You can't use the same plane. Just don't say. It's a creepy one. Exactly knows like this specific flight. Yes, that we are. That is this the experience?

52:02 Yeah. Yeah. It's an entire like experience. We're gonna go somewhere creepy. Like, I don't know. Charleston, South Carolina hurt, ya, Charleston, South Carolina. I don't know. Anyway, I hate. I hate that. Listen back to be like, God damn lie for so stupid. Okay, so Bob and Don yes, never seen them from again, they're gone. They're gone because all those parts are gone. There's actually they're happy I guess. Yeah. They're like okay now we're good. Now we can now we can rest. I can rest. So did it happen? Instantly, like, was it over time? I mean, we're never now, we'll never know for sure. Right. Did it like happen, that way? Like, I took it off, they're gone, take it off the God. I mean, I don't know, whatever, but they're gone. Point is they're gone.

52:48 And either way these employees of these planes, they said that the sightings had stopped passengers were no longer reporting them so it's something. Yeah, there's something that's something. Yeah, so there are like a shitload of books and TVs, movies about this. I have never heard of this and they crazy crazy. It's crazy. I've never heard of this ghost of Flight 001. 1976 book. Crash 1977 book. Crash the movie starring William Shatner 1978 yes live long and prosper.

53:30 Bitch goes to Flight 401 Ernest, Borgnine 1978 film. What goes to fly 401 Bob Welsh 1979 song Ghost of Flight. 401 2020 2022, documentary, which is kind of what made me come to this. You talk about there. Yeah, that particular documentary had this guy named Steve Shippy and a medium named Cindy Caza. Who's also a psychotic refer, she doesn't ography She just Spirit writing. I mean, she does all the different all. Yeah.

54:11 So she seems to me like the very same kind of person. Like Tyler Henry Lee know how he does the yes he does. Decide honesty writing like crazy also holds onto an item. Yes, and he can touch things. Yes. So she seems very similar. It's a skill in that as he does. Okay. so, in this documentary, This medium Cindy, he takes the Steve guy. He takes her to the Everglades in the in one of these. One of those boats that little like the big four colors are like, yeah, can go over the water and the scammers, I don't think that's I kept, that's your was so he takes her into the Everglades and but he isn't doesn't take her directly into the site.

55:05 He just takes you into the general vicinity. about, that's what Eric was about and he asks her to Take me to the site. Take me to your he asks her who has never been there to take direct me to the site. Now he knows where it is controls. He knows where it is. Right? Here's a test. Yeah there's only actually know where you're going. Yeah cameras parents dinging. Yeah yeah. Okay. So there we even all through the Sawgrass, you know, when this little thing right? And is it at night it's during this is during the day today, right? Because you couldn't see where you're going. So that reasons she takes him directly there and when she's explaining it, she goes well that's weird. I see him.

55:56 I see it here over here and I see it over there. And so she's confused as she's not this, but he's but Steve says, well, that makes sense because it actually hit there and it ended up over there. So he put the, can he connected those two together, right? That way, okay, So this is where it's like. So the idea of departed, Souls be able to retain some sort of relationship with them and objects like salvage parts of the plane. Like I said, is connected to what is known as psychometry.

56:36 And that's when a person can touch something and obtain, some sort of information or fact about that thing Fields, energy, let's energy. Exactly. And so, she performs this this at the Levee. So in this particular area, Of the Everglades, there's a levy. Okay? And so she's touching this Levi. And she says, she's hearing This Woman's just screaming screaming for this child, screaming screaming, screaming. And she says, it's overwhelmingly loud. Yeah. And she keeps like Cindy keeps saying these things. She'll like, she'll go. She goes window. Gali wheel.

57:23 Belch are window and so and she keeps calling out these plane parts and she goes, there's something with plane Parts. I'm not getting this thing with this plane. Dude, there's like something happening with plane parts of plane pieces and Of course, then Steve goes. Well, that's because he's playing pieces became integral parts of other planes. He's a, that's how he connected the two. And then she kept saying, there was something on with lights. There's a light or something about light malfunction. There's light something wrong with lights, and he goes. Oh, yeah.

58:04 Because I love the landing gear. Lighting gear light was what functioned yeah. That's what fucked the whole plane. Yeah. Right. So then they talked to a couple of the flight attendants. And mercy Ruiz. She's one of the flight attendants. So she takes a picture of the flight attendants all together on the plane before takeoff because it was the holidays and she's like, well, we might not ever fly a gather together again, so let's all get together and take this picture back then, and this is right before the flight takes off. Oh, and so, she takes pictures of all these flight attendants. And remember pictures today, cameras today we can see the instant like, you know, Film. This is film film and so she takes the picture and it's eight of their nine of the ten flight attendants because when I had to take the picture, right?

59:00 Well, One of the flighted to her. She was in the picture. She's like, she's like going like this. Yeah, one of the others light attendance and another flight attempt to the other one is gonna go like this and she's gonna oh so like she's putting her hands around her throat and like making my Dead face. Right. So the girl that got the bunny ears on the girl that got choked. Those were the two that died? Shut the fuck up. That's so creepy. That's that is so creepy dude. I mean is it a coincidence? I don't know. Maybe But but those are the two. Why did they have to do that? Don't end up. Looking forward to our flight attendant, you're listening right now and you're taking a picture before a flight, do not. Do those, do those things because, you know, you never know.

59:45 That could be putting a fucking hacks or something on these on these other attendants, right? That's weird. Weird. So they talk. So one of the women has oh yes, oh yes. Oh, so she's concerned right? She's like, did we kill them? Yeah, I would feel that way for sure and working in a traumatic situation. And what's interesting is there was out of that hole destruction, there was one suitcase that was recovered. It was hers. That had that camera completely intact. That's fucking weird, dude. That's very, very strange, right? Everything else was last.

1:00:26 Yeah, everything was just completely destroyed shredded, but they would covered that suitcase with that camera. At least maybe her family had. Well, wait, yes, that fly to Dallas survives. Yeah, she survived. Talk about Survivor guilt. Talk about never make like fucking like a boy bunny ears or no bueno. Yikes. So now I'm going to throw out a little skepticism. Okay. Okay. And now I have nothing against Steve. Mmm. This is my opinion. but, Sweet in Steve's documentary.

1:01:12 He has this, he's holding this device, okay? And it looks like a small handheld recorder. You know those old. Are you put those little bitty tapes in there and you can afford things, huh? It kind of looks like that. Okay, he never says what it is but when I did research to try to figure out what that could potentially be, yeah. It's either something called a Frank's box, a ghost box or a spiricom? Yes. And so, I've heard of these. It apparently records sounds that you can't hear ya. Yeah. It's like not you like, with our we have awful hearing, right? Like yes as human. So yes, certain range, yes. But other animals things like that, like they're these electric voice phenomenon.

1:01:57 Precisely, that is exactly at EVPs, Bingo girl. And so he like I said, he never says what's in his hand, but he's taking this thing, and he asks a question, he turns it on and he asks a question. And he says so, oh, by the way. Sorry, this is the other thing that pisses me off. Okay, let's hear they. Go out to the Everglades at pitch black, okay, like I'm sorry. Why do you have to go out there at night? I mean I know the answer it's called Drama. It's yeah I mean we love drama but But you don't have to to Scientific scientifically. You do not have to go out there and Pitch fucking black. You're just trying to create a mode or an Ambience. Exactly.

1:02:41 Okay, it's TV. Yeah, let's make it more extreme whatever. Whatever. Okay but I'm sorry if I was going to be like really truly like Independents facts kind of person. I wouldn't be going out in the middle of the night where I could hardly see my equipment know for sure no it's just it adds to the creep factor. It's a very scientists what it is? Yes, creep Factor. so, he turns on this, the recorder and he goes What is your name? And he waits a minute, right? Because obviously, you need to record the response and then he stops and he rewinds it. And he plays. And you here like in. He's done recording here, right? Because it's fucking stupid and then you here. Hmm.

1:03:28 And he looks at the camera and he goes, Charles. Did you hear that? I'm like okay it could could sound like Charles, okay, I'll give you that. Like okay so it's Charles bye. Okay, fine fine fine fine. I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm with you. I'm riding on this train that's running on your train, okay. It's Charles, you're talking to Charles. Okay, so then he's turns it back on. It goes Charles. If you have a message, I'm open to listening to you. And then he waits. Stops rewinds plays. And then you hear them.

1:04:10 Go over here. And then here. You know, you're like yeah, like white, like recordings, like, and then on the bottom of the screen, like in closed captioning, it types out. I'm the one who died in the plane crash, bullshit, bullshit. And that's so then he goes like this, he goes Did you hear that? This is like the best EVP recording I've ever recorded in my life here. Listen again, and he stops rewinds plays.

1:04:50 And on the screen it says I'm the one who died in the plane crash he goes. Did you hear that? No, we did not hear. Like, literally, I did not hear that. It's like the power of suggestion, right? Like, that's, yeah. If you're sitting there you're playing something and you say oh this is what it says and you'll be like I guess I can hear that. Sure I'll give it to you like we're riding this train. Yeah fine I that's why I have an issue with EVPs. Like I've never heard some with the exception of actually a couple That I have a front. I have friends who have recorded. I like typically you have one you're in the Everglades, there are there's a lot of animals, there's a lot of sounds. It's in a natural hat like you're outside where there are frogs and there are, you know, I don't know if I can toads and alligators and I beat like fucking bugs and stuff that are super Buzzy.

1:05:43 Yeah. So it's like, are we really hearing that? I think? Probably not. Like, that's what kills me. Me, because he's because he literally said, quote, and I'm quoting you here. This is a literal quote. He says, this is quite possibly one of the greatest EVPs I've ever captured in my life wrong, and I heard, oh my God, Kevin, that was a toilet if you can't believe, huh? That's it. I'm the one who died in the plane crash. Then I hear that, that I think that, you know, the skepticism, I'm with you on it.

1:06:26 I think that when it comes to that kind of shit you have, like, people who are, like, they really want to believe. And trust me, I want to believe, but you can't be outside and say it's like a controlled environment. That is not a controlled environment, right? And really liked the power of suggestions, incredibly powerful, right? Yes, like if you tell someone this is what's you know, the sky is red. You do know it's blue and like no it is red. Don't you see? It's red and if I tell you, you're ugly enough eventually you're gonna believe you're ugly. Oh for sure. Yeah so if I keep telling you that it says I'm the one who died in the plane crash, eventually you're going to leave me. Yes. Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna listen to it over and over again.

1:07:06 If you want to hear something you're going to hear it, you're gonna see it. I'm with you. This guy is kind. He's it's almost like he's taking away the validity of these real experiences like it. Like I wanted to believe him like in like only had all this great. Equipment. The equipment great. And then until he did that, I am you lat. Danny lost. Yeah. You lost me on that? I think. I think that like there is a fine line, right? You kind of want to create some kind of drama, like you were saying they have all these funds. Nobody, I've never heard of this flight 401 like I've never heard of it. So you know you're trying to create some kind of new experiences that are clearly not happening.

1:07:46 Yes. Yeah and I get it, I get the drama behind it but I mean it's really disregarding one, a tragedy that happened and then to these real like logged items that were occurring after yes. After you know the crafted the crash it happened. Like that's legitimate. Hmm. That guy sucks. Yeah was I was so unhappy about that. Now if you all are I'm not judging, but if you want to see the physical artifacts, they actually are some the original floor board from Flight 401 is in an archives in the history, Miami and South Florida. There's pieces of Flight, 401 wreckage, that can also be found in.

1:08:32 What's its called Ed and Lorraine Warren. OH, called museum in, Connecticut and Lorraine. Yeah, yep. They have some pieces. So if you're interested in seeing them, they're there. They have a haunted Museum. Okay, all right. Well, The Conjuring, yeah, that's, that's my story. Girl, you know, you have any, do you have any thoughts about stuff? I do. I think that one I've never heard of this, you know, story. It does not surprise me that like a company would try to reuse these parts. It's a little scary though, right? Like, you don't want it to display. These super disconcerting and you'd hope that they would. Don't be doing this moving forward like it. Like right now on the flights that we get on but it would not surprise me.

1:09:19 No, it was, they did that. I do think there's some validity to this story. Like I If all of these people are having these experiences, yes, that are tangible and also hey these these pilots and stuff are calling out equipment that's actually failing. Yeah. And we have record of replacing it like this is legitimate shit that we can't explain, right? It fits in. The into like, our world of the bizarre. Yes. Is that that's really where we need to focus on. You know? Like I think that we should focus on that and like and call that shit we can't explain you know filed out into the huge-ass filing cabinet of shit, we cannot explain right?

1:10:02 But has has some validity totally when you have people bringing out EVPs and shits like goddamn like it just kind of children's. Everyone cheapens it. That's exactly. It's so So I've never heard of it night. I love that story. So great. It had like a little pieces of all kinds of stuff. Didn't ya? Did it had Spira season the cover up, cover up? It had ghosts, kind of tragedy, right? Like like some, some like weird shit like all these things happening at once to create this awful situation. But yeah, it's insane. Yeah, great one. Kevin dive into that when it starts to get kind of Juicy, yes, I'm sure there are more stories that you were.

1:10:44 Steven didn't have time to cover. Totally. Oh yeah. Exactly. Had to had to whittle it down a little bit for sure. Ya get well I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you good. Well I guess we'll chat again in a couple weeks. Yes looking forward to that as always and we'll see all you guys on the next episode. Bye bye.