DIA - The Conspiracy Files

0:37 Hello. Bizarre story junkies. I am Kevin and I will be your host and today is episode along, as always with our cohort. Alicia. Hey, girl! Hey, hey, how's it going? Oh God, it's great. I'm feeling pretty happy and yeah, stoked for today's episode. Today is gonna be a fun one. Bobo if you're listening right now, you are tuned into the bizarre AF where we talked about the strange, the Absurd Add the unknown, and things that are bizarre AF. We are joined in studio today by a good friend of ours, and I very talented, local Dipper, actor and unary. Hello Andrew.

1:19 Hello, thank you for having me again. Oh my gosh, yes, we had such a fun time. In are absent episode. You got day drunk. That was awesome. Poor Andrew. We've put them through the wringer, don't lie. So little experience substance that alter my mind. I believe you took advantage of me like we did. Thank you for having me back. You're welcome to thank you. You didn't. All right. So you guys are ready for some tea that will blow blow, blow your your, your mind mind mind. Okay, so today's episode, we are going to chat about one of the nation's most talked about airports in terms of conspiracies and controversies and that would be dia. Denver International.

2:05 National Airport. I've been there you. How do you this is a little convenient because we all live in Denver, we are just a stone's throw away right now. That's right at this very moment you know and there's a lot of nonsense and shenanigans that comes out of these conspiracies and I mean things that are crazy but so just ask everyone keep a skeptical ear. Yeah, keep listening to the facts and we will we will take you on this newest Journey. Dia that Conspiracy Files. Love that. So, there are hundreds of websites that are devoted to DIA conspiracies. It's a, it's a big thing and it's so much. So that some a lot of people named it Area 52. Oh, they do.

2:51 I've never heard that. Yes, if you go to a lot of the conspiracy websites, you'll see, they call it Area 52. Okay. Pretty hardcore. And so and then you know, there's like this really extreme stuff like the one that just I just sends me over the edge is where there's an alien race of reptilian humanoids feeding on missing children. All a while awaiting the date of a government-sponsored Rapture that's totally gonna happen. Yes everybody knows. Come on Kevin, get with the program. So we're going to talk about we're going to talk about that one so much because that's not the kind of love that. Okay, well I am I getting a little bit but um so we're going to talk about that and then we're going to talk about a whole bunch of others.

3:40 But I'm going to talk about kind of the Catalyst kind of started this. Whole conspiracy Road. Okay, I want to hear it. I don't know what it is. Alright, so there are two funerals in DIA. Yes, you big murals? Yes. One called the peace and harmony with nature sounds. So lovely. And then the children of the war as no, it's the children of the world dream of Peace. It's like don't they sound beautiful lands and yeah, peace, I'm Bo. We're all together Kumbaya.

4:23 Yeah. Sounds like Bob Ross named these murals hurt. Yes absolutely precisely. So we're going to get into those in a second but those those two murals are kind of what are going to get get us in really into this topic and so in 1996 someone by the name of Alex Christopher was on this really esoteric radio show with this guy named Dave Allen. Okay so we have two guys that I have two first names I'm already extremely suspicious of these men, so right just so when I say Christopher Nolan, I'm actually saying their last names, okay? Okay. Surfer analysis, Alex, Christopher and Dave Allen. Okay. Okay.

5:03 So Christopher tells Allen that all of these Dia's theories, they share this Common Thread and the theory is that the decoding the truth to DIA all of the truth lies in these two murals. It is the key to absolutely everything. Okay, I have a question. Okay. So why the who the fuck is this guy? And why does he think this like did he work at DIA or let's talk about that. Yeah. Okay so so this this interview so this transcript of this interview is all over the place. Like if you go to all of the conspiracy websites or Dia I mean you can find this transcript anywhere, it's all over the place and you know, because it's been a while so people that have not really heard the Talk show or no, the talk show, they just know of it from these transcripts, right?

5:55 And so the conspiracists are pretty, quite are certain that this Christopher manned is right after the interview was killed dead. Like wait, Dad. This guy who gave the interview who like this is the this is like all you need to know are in these murals, right? And then after that interview dead and he was buried in the tunnels under DIA, right? Okay well actually this Christopher person. Yeah, is an 80 year old. Grandmother wait wait. So is that why? There's my transcripts and no audio? Well, so you can you can find the audio. No one seems to confine the audio but come to find out this Alex. Christopher was like an Alexis Christopher whatever is really a woman.

6:43 Okay and at the time she did their interview, she was like 54 years old. Okay. And there's this really Be great Westford. Westward article written in 2007 and I'm going to put the link in our show notes and at that time, the talks about this whole thing with her and at that time she was a 65 year. Old woman living in Arizona. Okay. She lived in Arizona we did she live in like did she have any kind of ties to DIA? Well, she does, we're going to get into that because this is where the ties come in. So, she first came interest, she was interested in this all conspiracy. She was like a real conspiracy person into the hole. New World Order. Oh my God, I'm you know about it all that stuff. Okay. So she squad or definitely not the wrestling Squad from my bed and 2000 the band.

7:30 We're talking about the government conspiracy. Okay I'm sorry, just I'm a child of the 90s so I can check Rockets. She writes this book called Pandora's Box and so in the 90s early 90s she comes to Denver and they're having this conference this Global Sciences glow conference and it was like a whole bunch of conspiracy theorists can't come. Being together that can only mean trouble. Right. Right. That's the only mean trouble because no conspiracy theories. Never says, like maybe that's a little out right balance, right? It's like going like he Fuel and Fuel and Fuel and she exactly exactly right. Mmm. So she has come to this conference and she's actually giving lectures on her theories of aliens and you know, Global conspiracies and all of this stuff. Well except so Happens o.

8:20 And so then that's where she hears about Dia. And so all these conspiracy theorists are talking about da and how You know, all these delays and all this money. And so she's getting really intrigued, right? Because she's a conspiracy theorist. So, yeah, she loves the stuff. She's like, oh, that's my jam out here. We are in Denver, right? So right, so she meets. So I'm not sure how this occurs, but she actually gets taken to DIA, but by someone who is in DIA that I don't know if somebody was there were legitimate. Inside. Yes, prior to it being completed prior to completion.

9:02 Okay, takes her highness at the scene. Yes, takes her on this tour. So she's at this conference right person comes and takes her to this tour of Dia. Maybe it was to prove that nothing was wrong, who knows? But she gets this official tour into Dia. Well, so she calls it quote very spooky because she gets taken down. Well, of course, if you're like thinking, oh my God, aliens live. Down here, then of course you're gonna find it aliens. Yeah, exactly find what you're looking for right now. Wow, here's where it gets juicing, okay. She goes back to DIA that same visit, but with another person who were going to talk about in a second, his name is Schindler.

9:49 It's like Guys, Chandler, she goes, she goes. But she gets she goes down and she says that this guy, his name's Phil Schiller, that's his name, okay? Also a fellow conspiracy assist conspiracists, sure you made a lot of lists. Right. Exactly exactly. So these she says that they were able to make it down for levels, okay? And according for under the airport, yes, and according to the both, there is even more levels. Now, how does she know that if she didn't go down? Down. But put that aside, maybe she saw Sayers, shouldn't learn. Well, he did.

10:34 Exactly. Phil told her that there were more level. Why would you not believe fill? Exactly. Because fills the right. So, so and she's. So she also said that this was confirmed by a person. Actually, she talked to the worked in the construction of the building, the confirmed that there were way more than four levels and this airport. So she's got fill in one ear telling her. And then she's got this official construction guy telling her. Oh yeah, there's one of them for him and he's working on the building. So of course he would know exactly. Yeah. All right. So then she also starts taking pictures that they don't realize it and you can see the pictures that she takes to really kind of poor pictures.

11:15 But he always are always, always have like the instant, like it's like a Polaroid or something that they fucking cake and like do like like it's all like Dewey and humidified. And there's like a fucking 2000. Orbs see that alien right there? She was like, eight. Like she didn't have like a hibiscus Misty down there where the morlocks live, right? Okay, so so she also, she takes pictures of these electrical panels. Okay. Well anyone apparently who knows anything about electricity? I don't know know that these panels are way bigger than anything needed for What is supposedly there?

12:00 Okay. Okay. But it's an airport. It's a, it's a giant International Airport. Yeah. I would assume their electrical pass and be really bad. If you knew anything about electricity, you wouldn't know that. That's supported like multiple levels underground, okay, okay, okay, all right, right, right, right, so, here we go. Alright, so, so according to her, the result there was also there's five secret buildings. Under the airport. Underneath the airport was 158 said, 120 feet. That's very specific. Tell stories. Okay, that's 12 stories. Okay, tunnels to 23. Miles long.

12:45 And these tunnels were 14 to 20 feet wide. Does she walk these tunnels? Does she have her Fitbit on doing? No, yes, no party know exactly how many steps you got? A part of. This is her word and then part of it is Phil. Tell him her. Okay, have to stop. So it's okay. Gotcha. Okay, gotcha. All right. And so, oh, and also another thing, Phil tells her is that, oh, by the way, there are two runways. Are built there even longer. So by the I don't know if anyone is you might be familiar, Denver runways are very very long. Yeah. And so Phil says There's two more runways. By the way, there were way longer than the ones that you see out there right now.

13:30 But they were put in the wrong place and they're buried. Wait wait. Okay, hence the overrun. Okay. Okay. No, no. I have a question. No, we have. Lots of questions. We have lots. Okay. But why would you put a you wouldn't you wouldn't in my mind. I was like because we have we're like and higher altitude. There's less like are so let's first of all with or I could wait here, let's unpack this for a second. Long runways in the wrong place. No no no. There's a lot of planning that goes into building an airport. They have to have to like specify although I do know, DIA has been notoriously over budget for years since it started totally, including now right now according to them, because of poor planning, poor, whatever.

14:32 I'll say it might drag it into that. Well, which we will get in jail that contract. Yes. Planning prevents piss-poor and thinking on your earlier comment, I probably would put runways in the wrong place because I don't know anything about runways. No of course. Yeah. We're not we wouldn't ask you Andrew to build her golly. Okay. Starting off bad. Huh? Yeah, okay, so and we can go on and on about this Phil Schindler guy and he's clearly like feeding her like he's talking about fuel on the fire, he's really getting her going Because it's fun. Exactly. All right, exactly, exactly. So, so, it even gets worse than that. And Phil starts.

15:20 This is where Phil starts to tell her about these underground concentration camps full of aliens that eat children. My oh my God. Yes, this is what I love. Okay, hold on question time really quickly. So, I think concentration camp. I think this is a bad place that these people are do. The aliens? Not enjoy eating children or are the children in the concentration camps, and they don't enjoy being eaten by aliens because I mean, it doesn't sound like anyone's really being punished. So, what I'm gonna do, what I'm gathering is, your conspiracies, worked out and some thoughts. So, here's what I've gathered thus far. It is a constant. The aliens don't want to be here. Okay, I don't want to be, I don't want to be here. Okay, they use.

16:05 I think I talk about this later that they They get the fluids from some of their glands from the children's land. No, no. From the aliens glands, the children get fluid government, the government. So, first of all, let's let's get our craziness. This is how we got the vaccine to code. So, the aliens have to eat babies or they'll have to eat children. Say how do you children? Okay, we need the aliens glands to create a super whatever without a vaccine. In or a cure bug, some soup, some kind of government. This is how covid-19 eiated. Exactly. Exactly.

16:45 Is that honestly, what they say not code specifically, but some kind of pandemic, something to create a mass weapon of Destruction without any cure. Okay, when this, okay, so in this is tying into the murals in the apocalypse and things like yes, okay we're getting to that. Making sense. Okay, so now Alex Christopher lady. She's getting super excited because it's getting cry cry. Right. So she's like oh yeah. So It's just, it's just just now getting cranky.

17:28 Yeah, it just exactly exactly. Oh, and by the way, I should do this right now because this is the point in the story, where I'm like, okay, I can't listen to you anymore. This is like fucking Oscars. It was with you. And so, the alien, kill the aliens reading children. Exactly. And so, this is, so I have a new award in our on our show Alicia The new award, okay? And when I call it the you crazy award, you crazy crazy award, okay, you crazy, you're crazy. And so I think fill in this episode's going to get the you crazy award fucking Phil. She okay. And so it's an audio award. Oh my God, Phil failed, this is for you.

18:09 This is for you. Wow, crazy. You're crazy, girl, crazy girl. Okay. so, we've given out our award, so now So she gets so. So Christopher lady figure finds out Alex Christopher I was just for airplanes out of finds out about these murals that are apparently the key to all of this stuff. So she goes and visits the artist she liked it. She got like, goes artist that painted the mural. Yeah, tanguma. I think if this is a young Leo tanguma tanguma.

18:50 Yes. So she literally goes to his studio and she's asking about these murals. Well, she's saying that he's being very vague and that she's seeing all kinds of weird stuff in his Studio like books and pictures and things that she thinks are weird. Okay, of all things, okay. Because what artists would have strange books? Well, have stranger to you. Yeah. Yeah. That he was. For and that he's saying, well, this is just a collection. This is just a collage and she's like, uh, the collage of pictures, just of stuff, you know? An artist is going to create.

19:32 Yeah. Something that you're inspired by Inspirations. Yeah. But she's convinced that he was bought and paid for that. He? What he's painting in there was exactly what he was told to paint, where he was told to paint it. How he was told to paint it. Like, everything is like, very specific as a very specific purpose, which when we talk about the paintings, You'll hear about the conspiracies about why you think everything is. So you know why she thinks this right? Okay, so, he took completely shuts down, he's not talking to her anymore and so she goes away. So now she publishes her second book and it's called Pandora's Box to and to get this on exotic very quick and on 1996 she goes on a radio talk show. This is the talk show was talking about at the beginning of the show.

20:18 So she goes and talks talks. Now she's your sister. On the talk show. This is the all the transcript, big, exactly. And she's talking about, you read the transcript, she's talking about, how she's convinced the British or controlling the United States and the Tengu most murals are all about the unauthorized. Second visit, you know, are all about the aliens and the abductions and the government conspiracies. And she talks about that unauthorized second visit down in the tunnels with Phil. Okay? Okay. and, That's when shortly after now.

20:59 Phil's dead. Oh no. What what? It wasn't because he was like 70 years old and like had heart problems. It was absolutely because of a conspiracy. Exactly. So the mayor of Denver at the time that he passed. So that's a good question. 9600. No pink Pena. Yeah, mayor Pena. I wasn't here. I was not here till I was. Seven. Yeah, it's I think it's my opinion. Hence pinball. Oh yeah yeah on your way to DIA, right? Mmm. So So this is actually, so I did some research, it's so as can't be true because the interview the interview took place in April 26 of 1996 and although I can't find anything exactly. Like if you go all the folklore kind of stuff, Phil actually died, January 17th, which would have been before the interview. So okay.

21:54 So then the conspiracy theorists to get her fucking shit. Well then the conspiracy theorists go. Oh, yeah. But they knew that she knew that he knew and so they killed him before, right? Come on people. None of it's believable, right? Yeah. It's gettin. It's Gettin to the right. It's jackets. Getting, I mean, that's the thing about being conspiracy theorist. You can spin any narrative, anything you want to make it fit your story. And because you already, I know that you sound insane, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter continues to sound. Yeah, you can continue to up the ante up, that's right. Okay. So then according to her, she gets scared because Phil's now dead, right?

22:39 So she goes on the lam, right? She goes, she's all hiding and shit. And so now when all these people are misquoting her and saying, all this stuff about her interview and the stuff she said she's not rebooting it. So people are just it's feeding again, feeding. She's gone missing they think okay she's been whacked, right? They know this person down, right? Add it to the list. Phil was been whacked, right? Right. Fucking Phil shit lorries on that list. Hells, yeah, exactly. And so, it's just again feeding fuel to the Crazy Fire, right? Okay. Oh God. It's exhausting. Isn't it all right?

23:19 Yeah, it's a be so like to be so. Wrapped up in this shit. Yeah, it's very exhausting. So that's the history as to how the paintings got just the murals Justin. All right now we're talking about is how that the actual conspiracy Saul a little individual conspiracies. That's just what's kind of fed the fire. That that is the key to everything. We're going to be talking about, right? I'm with you. Okay, take me on this journey. All right, so let's first now. Let's talk about DIY the airport. Yes. Let's please be grounded in a little bit more reality, which is Denver Airport which is basically in western Nebraska which and actually we're near the Denver Airport. Now we are like 12 minutes away.

24:04 Yeah. 10 minutes away. Which if you've ever been to Denver it's like I don't know 30 minutes. 20 the 3030 I do. Yeah. The downtown area. Yeah. It's an it's Gun carrier for sure. But they say that was the plan so that they could expand expand, which they're doing right now. Which will also talk about, okay? So Dia was originally, slated to be finished on October of 93. But then, of course, this because of design changes and contract disputes and a myriad of other whatever's, they didn't open until February 95. And what's I think what really fed it is that we are well over two billion dollars over budget at the right right. Billions of dollars billions. That's so how do you do that?

24:47 And I thought it was way more than that. It was almost 3 billion. Oh, I had had 4.1 billion currently is, we're okay. We're okay. Yeah, so originally before the airport even opened, right? This was, this was before I even opened, we were already to Billy. What was it to almost? I'm gonna tell you something to point yapping. So yeah. I mean, come on. Where's that money? Where's the money going? That's what see, that's what I mean. That's a lie. Is eating babies F that but I mean, I'm just saying but that's what something like did were you building secret tunnels? Like, do you have 12 stories underneath here? Do you have a tunnel collect connecting to Air Force you? I mean all these weird things, I have some thoughts. Okay.

25:28 Okay. So, anyway, that my point is, that's what that's what leads and of course, of course. They chalked it up to that really miraculous never built seen before baggage system. Oh, which doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't. Okay, so that's I did hear about that. So the it was like supposed to be state-of-the-art. Yes. There. It was going to be super Speedy. The back, the mated automated, the baggage system was going to get everything off the Runway, right? To the baggage claim. Exact, and like, you know, minutes by the time people would come into. Baggage claim bags, where their bags were there. It never it's never worked daily know, and it's an underground system. Yes.

26:09 And apparently that's been debunked. Like that thing's been. It's not working for a while. It's never worked. Never worked correctly. But now, it's not even on my bags. Have never been waiting for me. Ever known ever your never walk again. Unless I stopped for multiple drinks that it never been there. That's a that's a good tip. If you are staying at At DIA or you're going to be like coming into Denver, get a drink and then wait for your back. So if you actually checked one that's right. There's look there's lots of bars on the way there. Yeah, tear bags. Okay. So there are known to be as many as six underground levels and this has been acknowledged like they've said.

26:54 So where did the level? Okay, and I'm sorry to interrupt. Where did the levels start? Because the top level is, we're talking here. We're talking about low ground. Okay? Hello the trains. Well, main terminal. So is it true? So that's what I'm saying is trained like level 3. So like where I know I take it is that one and then train is 3 and then below that or yeah, the very well could be because where you get your It is Grant. Yeah, it's very easy because when I dropped out when you get dropped off at the airport your way home, if you're just looking at the Horizon you're like oh I'm a ground level but your way high up. Yeah. You're like three levels above. Yeah. What would be considered ground level? So the way I'm reading it is well there are on their levels below where the public can be, are six levels, okay?

27:40 That's how I'm understanding. Okay, Tibby and clearly could be more than that. I mean, who knows? And then that there's theories that there's the tunnels there's tunnels that exist. But from the airport to other places underground which is a lot where a lot of the money or is some say, as far as Air Force and Cheyenne Mountain and I love that, it's not that because we're not that far from Buckley there. Luckily that I mean, that could seems reasonable. Yeah. Like if they have subways longer than that, underground systems more people. Yeah, that hmm, exactly. No, it's that easy. Is a lien race. Yeah, Subterranean aliens. Yep.

28:22 Okay. So DIA has come to embrace all of this right now. He's so then the question is, is it smart marketing? Is it a smart cover up? Is it both your? I'm saying, like people say that this place is all full of underground, tunnels. Haha. Yeah. Well, you know I'm saying, yes, so they've been marketing that a lot. The and if you go into the airport, Lee. You've probably seen the conspiracy posters in the airport. No talking about. Yes and tunnels. And yeah, all that stuff. The one thing I did miss though was the animatronic gargoyle, did you ever see that?

29:02 So we had an animatronic, I know the one that's coming out of the suitcase but no there was an actual one where it would talk to people. Oh and there was an actor, clearly somewhere. Hidden that who was sounds familiar. I will put a link in the description too. It was brilliant. Yeah, absolutely great marketing. Brilliant, brilliant marketing. Yeah. But yes, then they have the Gargoyles. I talk about the Gargoyles that are in, have meaning, and I'm okay, so I try not to roll my eyes and I see I try not to be judgmental, but are we at any point going to get into the requirement that Denver has for public art? We are so that's what my next topic. So overall public projects want to throw that? Yep, the city of Denver they require 1 percent of the budget to be dedicated. Added to Art and so, Denver dia, of course, is full of art figure 1% of that because yeah, multi-billion dollars 1% of that.

29:56 And that's right, a lot of art, a lot of Art and so because of that, there is a lot that's where they get a lot of their conspiracies from. And we're going to, we're going to it plays right into their hand because some of this art, you know, your they like try to find meaning in and with any art you could, you look That painting right there. Alicia. You're going to get think something different than I would think yes. Especially when it's abstract or there's letters or words, or symbols any kind of re already are everyone's going to think different? Yeah. And we all, we all have our own like interpretation, what we're bringing to the table. That's so so that colors how we see the world, the lens through which we are seeing the world.

30:40 That's right sense. I mean, I think these murals though are fucked up. Looking okay. They are you talk about like peace World? Peace children, loving. Well well yeah that's not what it looks like I've seen these murals not they are riddled with things like .c ISM and genocide and things that world control and you're like oh my God you're seriously and it's isn't it called children of the world dream in peace? Like yes. What, how is that a dream? It's great. It's crazy, it's really crazy. So Alex. I think it's Frontier as she's a spokesperson for Dia and she says that those murals represent climate change and, you know, war and violence of just things that are part of the world. And I don't know, I don't know, like I didn't paint it but like it's a very weird thing to have and I think it's weird. It is very strange to.

31:41 I mean, he was a muralist was inspired by people like Diego. Rivera, who's art and murals are, you know, sometimes pretty dangerous and can bring out a lot of emotions in people but It's just strange, that is in such a public place, then millions of people that earlier walking by all the time, it's in baggage claim, it's in east and west, baggage claim. And so, then you ask the question, why? Hmm, well, and we'll have the images on our show notes so you guys can go onto our website or and I'll have links will be links pack. The that's full of links to, this kind of stuff, you'll see the murals.

32:26 There's one year. Roll. The mural has children and there's like a rainbow covering and and on the very edge, there is a figure that has a gas mask on. Yes. And it isn't not gonna, I think he has a sword sword. That is Children of the world dream of peace and that's the one. I don't even know if it's up anymore. I think that one was taken down for cleaning years ago, and it might not even be that I saw. I saw a tree, I saw it recently. Okay, then it must be that the website was looking at Down for cleaning. But yeah, that one is supposed to be a war versus peace theme. It does not look like that. It looks like what it looks like a war and genocide. Yeah.

33:09 It's like dystopian, like War genocide. Hey, follow our rules, kind of, and so then they feel like they then. So then it said, there's a whole bunch of hidden symbols and meanings. That, is that the one that has the note? That is the one that has the note, I have have a picture of it. You want me to read the Note. Yeah, real reason. Do you think so? Yeah, in the bottom of the painting, there's a tiny little note. And on the note, it is actually written by an Auschwitz victim, a 14 year old victim at Auschwitz wrote. This note, that is on this painting, the note goes, I was once a little child who longed for other worlds, but I am no more a child for.

33:54 I have known fear. I have learned. I hate how tragic then is youth. Which lives with enemies with Galas ropes yet? I still believe I only sleep today that I'll wake up a child again and start to laugh and play. Yeah, see a strange thing to see is you're picking up your back. Yeah, welcome to Denver, welcome to Denver. Yeah, weird. We're dia does not help itself. It doesn't know again, wires. Why do they take that? I have no idea and the other things in this painting, as you said before, had a sword-wielding gas mask like Stormtrooper. Basically, there's a line of refugees, one of the refugees.

34:37 The one that's most prominent is holding a dead child. There's a child hiding like an underground bunker holding her teddy bear. There's destroyed buildings. I will say though that this mural has a perfect use of the golden ratio. If anyone is in the Triangle, golden ratio, beautiful. But yeah. And there's two. There's two sections to this mural, though. Isn't there? That's just the first one that we've covered. That's right. Yes, because then there's the in peace and harmony with nature. No, there's two more pieces. How many inherited? It has two sections. That's right. Children of the world sides to cease. One has a soldier. Has a soldier. OKC.

35:18 And that's where the, that's where the piece part comes in. Yeah, because only we've been talking about is the the war part. Yeah. And the piece part which is actually separate, it's not Anon doves. It's supposed to be a happiness and y'all supposed to be happiness, but it shows this giant mulch, Multicultural group of people celebrating over the corpse of the soldier from. Yeah, that's right, that's right. I do remember the. Yeah, it's fucked up, dude. And there's a trap. There's this child that has this giant hammer and he's destroying the sword. That the soldier was swinging around at doves and the previous panties. Just smells like varying Board of the Flies. Yes, kind of thing. Yeah, but it's supposed to depict peace. That's not pee. That's some peace. No.

35:59 It's so hence. So, again, that, hence why people say, it doesn't make any sense. So it's full of hidden symbols and it's the key to decrypting all of this stuff. And when you feed it into all of the other pieces that we're going to be talking about that are hit in the in here, pieces of our hearts were Pure Old to go through, we're putting a jigsaw together. Well, we're going through a thousand. Piece jigsaw right now. And like and you said earlier, like I could fit this puzzle together. However, I wanted to fit it together totally. I could make it make sense to me. Yeah. Or you if I say it, right?

36:40 Okay. So let's let's separate from the painting for a second because there's, we've got lots. There's so there's many other pieces. So let's talk. Second a second about Lucifer. So he has a whole people call him. All kinds of names. He's officially called Mustang. Yeah, Bronco. He, he stands just on this hill when you're coming into the airport or out of the airport, he's on this hill. You cannot miss him. Mmm, you're forced to look at him entering or leaving the airport, day or night, you will say, or night.

37:24 He's precisely 32 feet tall, Oh and he is a Balu, very blue, a blue as blue could be and veiny and yes, and anatomically. Correct. And he has glowing red. Fucking eyes. Now has now, according to the family, this was a tribute to his father because his father owned a neon shop, the artist, the artist, excuse me. Oh, Nanny on shop and and worked in a chart worked in an EOC opposite as a child. And When? So it's currently the Mustang is this was cursed because it fell on the artist and kill your hardest actually.

38:05 That's for real, it's for real and so Sons an artery in his leg. That's right. And so the sun's finished it, they got it up in 2006 and in a tribute to their father put red neon glowing eyes on the horse as a tribute to their father, but when you're driving by it looks okay, that's awesome. No way. Looks like demonic would have been white. It could have been white, could have been blue, it could have been blue stuff. Anything about red could have? Yeah, could have been yellow-orange then you guys are soft. I personally love that. We have a demon horse. That's 32. It is a demon darting out help. It does not help and it can tell you Pizza, Hut strong feelings about this horse that.

38:49 They're you love it or you clearly they had strong feelings at first, but do you know that after five years Years, any piece of public art and Denver can be challenged and removed. And at first, when Lucifer was displayed, a lot of people hated it. Yeah. And then five years passed and nobody said shit. So he is, he is ours, he will hear. He's part of its iconic for sure. He is an icon, I love Shannon. So there's this real output. Also put this link a really good article by Stephanie wolf for the CPR and she went Two-way. A lots of detail about this mustang, the tremendous detail about from the artist and his family and them. Creating it really go into depth about why his eyes are red all of that stuff.

39:42 So it looks like a demon so I encourage you guys. Yeah. Go to read article will have it in the show notes, have insurance. Okay, there's a dedication Capstone. Okay, in the airport. It's It is talks about the whole new world order. It's, it literally says it literally says, yes, it literally says the New World Airport commission, that's fucked up. That doesn't exist. But that was, there is no such thing. There's no such thing, there's no such thing as the New World Order, the sorry, the New World Airport commission. When I was doing research, I read that that was actually the same phrasing.

40:25 They used at the Stapleton airport that the A replaced is this new world? Whatever I mean. And okay, let's say they did. What is it about mean? I don't know. Give us a fucking answer here. I want to know what the f it is, because here's the thing, because it legitimately has the symbol for frame. He's Freemasons on, right, right. Masonry symbol, huh? And so that's the thing. Is, this whole is when it says the New World Airport commission, people think it sounds very much like the Whole New World Order. Yeah. Right. That's how they link the two.

41:07 Sure. Yeah. And then especially when you start having symbols of Freemasons stuff and all the stuff that goes around with that, right? It just Benjamin flight, Franklin aliens, come on, Nicholas Cage, steal, the Declaration of Independence. So people think the DIA was built and support. By the new world order to be a headquarters, which is why this Capstone is dedicated to America during the New World Order because it's not really dedicated to the new world order. But and so that, you know, that that's how they're connecting the two together, it's going to be some sort of a headquarters, you know, to weather out the extinction event that supposed to happen. But I talked about earlier, right? That's depicted in the other mural right? Precisely?

41:56 Sorry. Not to jump ahead. That's right now, that's Exactly, right. That was in my little brackets right there to okay. So the DIA spokesperson, I talked about earlier, she did, she did bunks this new world order Theory and she said that the Freemasons did in fact, create the plaque but that the phrasing refers to the idea that Dia was a new international airport. Hmm, I don't know, it's still weird A New World Airport world, I mean, but when you say New World Airport commission like what does that mean? Why don't you say it's a new fucking Airport. You have to world. Yeah. Like like you're you know it's weird.

42:38 It's weird. All of this is weird. It is wet. It is like like why are you making weird after weird after weird decision? Like that course. You're feeding the trolls. Exactly. So underneath the Capstone is a Time Capsule. That's supposed to be opened in 94. A 29:29 2094. Okay. Okay. Okay. I tried to find out. I mean, what's in it? Like, someone has a know what's in it newspapers. I couldn't find any of the answers answers. All candy bar, they're probably going to release the new pandemic that they're creating from the alien lands and we're all gonna die.

43:27 Okay, I'll tell you what. We're already going to be dead. Kevin. Kevin. I honestly think if you would have said it's going to make the elite Eat and the old people like like these old like rich people or whatever. It's going to make them young. And like, Immortal. I would have been on board if it's a pandemic and they're trying to save all of humanity. Yeah, I don't believe it. There's no way, there's no way. It's gonna happen Porsches. Are you hoping to be elite by 2094 and be included? Oh no, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm not, there's no Heaven be included. I'm not Elite. I'm not. I'm know that my family. So that is 98, that's 70 years from now. None of us will be alive.

44:10 Only 110 I could make it. Okay, no luck with that. I mean, there's no way after I heard about what happened over your weekend, that's not going to happen. I think I have a higher fucking rate of like, actually making it the new do. Okay, so then we talked about the tunnel in the underground buildings. There have been a lot of outspoken, people who claim to have gone down, a lot of levels, in an article in The Westward Magazine and author, the author talks to this, Alex, Christopher that I talked about earlier and just after the airport was built, she met some people. Oh yeah. I talked about that with Phil and she went down there and yada yada yada and that's how she found these building.

44:51 Yeah. Some other conspiracies like I mentioned before the tunnels connect Cheyenne Mountain what is Cheyenne Mountain? That's NORAD they have a zoo, there's this but it's NORAD, it's not real for real. I'm convinced for the giraffes to get back and forth. But whatever. What is your Nora? It's the North American Aerospace Defense command, okay? And so it's like where you were in the Air Force, right? Hmm. Okay, I've never been there that's like a Good kind of place. But from what I understand that's like where they like a if there wasn't ever going to be a nuclear war, kind of thing they can contain. Everything's like that's the command center. Like, it's in the mountain.

45:37 Can't get to it. It's like, and that's your understanding as a military. Yeah, person. Yeah. I mean, I've never been in the you couldn't tell you exactly what so yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. So maybe very thing. Okay. It's a real thing for sure. Okay, good. You know, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah norad's real. And so because it connects this creates 120-mile Escape Route right from DIA to NORAD So the whole end-of-the-world, okay, they would go underground to Cheyenne Mountain. Yes, to escape like a nuclear Holocaust or something. Yeah, or whatever. This thing is that they're extracting from the alien glands to kill people without a cure.

46:24 Good God. Okay. So I'm having so much fun. Okay. Okay. The coordinates. The coordinates of the airport. Let's talk about the coordinates. Yes, please. Okay, we're all a g, love it. So there are the coordinates of the airport. I could give them to all. I can put them in there. It's you know, 104 West 4430 North 40, 30 10, these coordinates Are they actually the coordinates? That they give that's given to the humans and by the aliens in Spielberg's close, encounters, movie shot. Well, they say that those are the coordinates to DIA. Wow.

47:14 Why, but they end up in Devil's Tower. That's right. Technically, it's not because those coordinates just with all conspiracy. Is that true technically? No. No. Those coordinates actually land. You 50 miles. North okay of Dia. Okay. What's their a lineman alt alt down called alt yeah no one's fault. Alternative for the cap. It's about twelve miles. East of Fort Collins. If you know, Fort Collins is yeah, Orthotics East. It's like 12 miles there and again they say tunnels in And out of the airport to the blah blah, blah, blah, stupid. Okay.

48:02 But the but the but then they go. Okay. Well then, why did Spielberg pick those coordinates? Okay. But that has nothing to do with Dia. No, he was just choosing random like numbers. You didn't even write the screenplay. He didn't choose them. We who wrote them. I don't know. Let me see it. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't. It doesn't. It's just it. Once again, just trying to connect things that don't connect, right? Okay, we talked a little bit about the Gargoyles there in the East, the baggage claim area, people connect, those two conspiracy because again, the Whole New World Order and the Freemasons and mr.

48:44 Ward off, evil. You are like, it's just a, yes, they're just the Counterpoint of Lucifer. Exactly. And that's what exactly it, the gargoyle. Were created basically say to protect the site. That's what they were traditionally supposed to do. Like you said, okay. So secret messages so there if you hang around it, enough of these like hardcore conspiracy, there's a few reasons, start reading this stuff or talk to us owners. I mean it's so draining. I kind of love this shit.

49:31 You they your come to learn that this new Whole New World Order has this grand plan to Call the whole human population, right into this, you know, Governor United government Jesus. And so in this in the floor, so in the Floor of Dia and I can't remember which terminal it is, there's this gold inlay. Yes. Okay. And it's got a cart and gold because we're mining right? People moved here and they have letters a UAG. Mhm. Gold and silver people say that no a you in a g that's referring to this deadly strain of Hepatitis. It's a periodic table of elements. He has her truck together so exactly like so exactly. No no no and they happen.

50:32 So they I guess these letters some Australian antigen or Discovered by some guy and somehow a UAG connects into that. And but if you know anything about Colorado, you know, we are fucking mining State. Yeah, so gold and silver. Look at look at honestly Andrew shirt. Oh yeah, Golden Colorado. That's it. That's like a town. That's where they thought they'd find gold, right? That's right. An outsider's. Reference Stay Gold. Ponyboy. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a teacher and then The, so, the layout. So people Arkansas have a conspiracy about the layout. If you look at it from the sky, you could try to turn it into a swastika. Yeah.

51:16 But for Pete's sakes. Come on, be reasonable. And he look at why it's laid out that way. It makes total sense. Okay, it's silly. I mean, that's just, that's how airplanes have to come in and it's huge. There's a lot of land over here so long. I really do a ton with it. That's right. Yeah, I mean okay. And so then there's this hideous website called Foremast, the conformist sodic. Spelled with a K. Sounds. Oh, Jesus! Yeah, no, no, don't go to it. But you're going to sew this person that wrote this website, and the contents of this website. They've connected the Jean Benet Ramsey. Oh my God. Yes, okay, so JonBenet Ramsey, died in Boulder Colorado, right?

52:00 But no, apparently, she was eaten by the aliens, right? Because they like children, right? Why wasn't she was a lot. I mean, not alive. She was dead but she shouldn't still around. I'm telling you like you go down rabbit holes. When you start looking into this stuff, like you just goes on and on and on it and it just gets more and more Preposterous. So you know what I think is the most Like the thing that drives me the most crazy about being in Denver, the Denver International Airport is how fucking awful everything is like. Like once you're there, just being at the airport, you have to get there, it's like 40 minutes away that's conspiracy.

52:45 Like why the fuck is it so far away boobers? Then I was like 75. It's like it, honestly, it is. It's like, you're spending at least, you know, 50 bucks, just on Uber getting there then. I'm sorry. That's why you take. Light Rail Alicia have to take an Uber to get to the light round. That not all of us live, 12 minutes from the fucking airport. We need better public transportation here. Anyways, that's very true. So, you know, you get to the airport. It's all the way out in the middle of nowhere. Then you're there and you know, God for you have to go through security line, the security lines, like all the way out, like right now. Yeah. Ran round and into the ticketing area.

53:27 Into the baggage claim. So I was just there last week last weekend and our last weekend, I actually, I knew you're going to be doing this episode, so I wrote a little brief for you. Okay, great. So I said, you know, I'm at the airport and conspiracies, aside the layout and security is insane. It's the third busiest airport in the world. Is what they're saying. Hmm. And to quote, other people, it's the first worst. The first were so get to the airport. Honestly, three hours early. Just to ensure that you get Checkpoints on time, don't have you know the pre-check or whatever. I'm to some PreCheck. What's up right now. Okay so okay Elites so my conspiracy theory is honestly that is a truth.

54:13 It's that the airport is not at all built for passengers who actually go through it. It's a fucking awful. It's horrendous. So I'm gonna ask you and you I'm going to ask you for some If you want to talk about some of these theories that we may not have covered in depth, I want to ask your opinion on a, but before we do, I, so I just want to tell people what's going on with Dia right now. Yeah. So they in 2018, they started two new construction projects, one was for the Great Hall and it's undergoing renovation, and it's updating, like the outdated. Train cars and phase. One was officially completed in last.

54:55 Year and it added 3,000 square feet of space. It was two years behind schedule, and they the construction company, claimed it to be because the color of the concrete and then the airport is like, knows anything concrete. And then there was this whole back and forth and it caused a lot of work, stoppages and blah blah blah. Well, then the dim then Denver hired, Hansel Phelps to finish it and that they actually got it going. And I just have to Hash, I have to shout out to Hansel felt because I I know people France will Phelps. I know like the old the CEO that was from there and his family and we're good friends. So yeah, Hensel Phelps until then in 24, they're going to create a new checkpoint.

55:37 Okay? There's gonna be 17 lines of security instead of a one. Yeah we have? Yeah, one. Well, you know, one on each side. Yeah. It's now you're going to have like multiple. Let's just look at Disneyland ride. It is. Yeah there's one way to get in back and forth back and forth Preposterous they're going to make the Great Hall. Bigger and then phase 3, they're going to add yet another checkpoint and then to start upgrading the grounds in the bathrooms and that's all going to be done like in 28 apparently. And then apparently the concourses are adding like 40 new gates so more traffic already like a six mile walk if you have one of the last gate. Yes so yeah you got to be in be as fucking so long. I was in the last gate of see last week's season and B's even longer than see.

56:24 It took me like It was a 15-minute walk after I got off the train even like getting up moving moving walkways. And then there's some one plane I got out. You had to go to the end of c and then there's like this Hall, you get to the end. There's a whole nother Branch off into these other little bitty planes. It's, it's crazy. They're really expanding. So, Andrew, Of the conspiracies and your research? Which one did you find the most fascinating man? I mean, I really like the idea of the underground tunnels. Like I would just love to go down there and explore and see when I'll be fine Ike if I mean that yeah that would be amazing. Like, if they really wanted to make some money, just invite people offer, tours take him down there and be like, yeah, it's just HVAC ventilation and massive spools of, you know, Hopefully, you know if I run big electric panels.

57:19 Yeah, but too big it would still be cool like I would love that. So for me I like a personal experiential standpoint that would be the coolest one to kind of figure out that gray the true story of. But I really did love looking into the murals to because as messed up as they are, I mean they're decent artwork and then I kind of just like really fucked up. Well, they weren't, we're not trying, it's not like some child painted them. Obviously know this is like a A world-renowned. Yeah, realist. Who's done a lot of amazing work? I'm not sure if you can put it in the show notes but I would definitely linked to his gasps. I I will as a lot of amazing work out there and of course, Lucifer is a favorite of mine, you know, like he I think, what does he get installed? Was it 06-07?

58:05 87. Yeah. He got installed the same year that I moved to Denver. So we arrived at the same time which is probably why we have such, you know you have a camaraderie camaraderie He did go up and six nonetheless unless he got, he killed his art. He's killed his master killed, his dad killed, his daddy, little bit of a Frankenstein story there. But yeah, I mean it's and I'm just kind of a bit of a skeptic by nature but it's still super fun to read into all this stuff. Just if it's at the end of the day be like wow these bitches are crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's kind of fun to some of this stuff you can go like the what like for example the Capstone like for me, that's just it's freaking where they say the New World Airport commission that doesn't even exist.

58:52 That's not even a thing. Why would you say that? It doesn't even make it. Why people would want to say that? It just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, so that stuff is kind of fun to go. Mmm coming from like a family of Freemasons, though. I can tell you like there's nothing Sinister going on. It's just dudes hanging out. Doing community service projects. Yeah. And getting together, we are you a freeway? Then I am not, but my dad is my grandfather. Would you would you become their friends? Seems like a lot of work. I'm kind of lazy. No, just kidding and like, if you are them. Yes. Let's but, you know, I honestly, I don't know that much about like what happened in the meetings or anything. Okay, well, they don't talk about it, even though my dad and my grandfather were both, you know. Yes.

59:38 High-ranking members of like the Freebase community and Mike, that's little town in Nebraska. So maybe we need to embed you. Yeah, future episode. Freemasons. Yes, I could do some interview have injury. If they do well, I'll see what they will. Just trying to get myself back here. Let's see what they will and will not talk about my God. I love that. Anything else of Interest. I don't think so. No, I think we covered a lot. We got a lot of. Yeah it's kind of its kind of a lot with Dia. There's so many rabbit holes. You can go down. Yeah. And we and we didn't even go into a lot of depth on some. We just kind of glazed. Yeah over them and each one of these you can just like I said you can just find all kinds of conspiracies on each one of these topics and people just talk you know go deep but definitely pull up the murals, the in peace and harmony with nature and children of the world dream of peace. By Leo tanguma and just just look at them. That's not what.

1:00:39 She's just so much more. You look at them, the crazier. It gets right, does? Yeah. God. Okay, well, I'm exhausted. I need to take a nap. I also a lot. It's exhausting to go down those rabbit holes. It is to my, I almost think like, you know, I love a good conspiracy but it's like that is such a huge one. There are so many ways. Uh, yeah, you guys may need to look into two parter episodes. I was thinking about that. Maybe we could do another one on Dia, but we're so close to it. I'm afraid of good. I'm afraid of being too close to it. They might, those humans might hear us, who knows where those tunnels pop out? We are in a basement. We are wearing a yes, right underneath us where we're 12 miles away.

1:01:26 Luckily, none of their children less water. So we won't be eaten. But thank God. You guys were awesome. As always God, thank you for doing such a fun topic. Yes, we will have to revisit this again. Thanks for having me again. Yeah, thank you so much for coming. Yeah. Thank you, Andrew. All right, everyone. We will see you in a couple of weeks, have a good one.