Are we dead, or just victims of the Mandela effect?

0:01 Hello, bizarre Story Booze. If you're tuning in now, you are listening to The Bizarre AF, a place where we talk about the strange, the unusual, the unknown, and all things bizarre AF. I'm Alicia, your host for today's episode, and as always, we ask that you keep an open mind. Keep a skeptical ear, but keep on listening to those facts as we take you on our newest journey. Are we dead? Or is it just false memory? Well, hello None.

1:03 Kevin, my darling honey, that was that. I'm good, I'm good. Yeah. Yeah, we've been a little bit. It's been a hot minute. Yeah. In a new room. Yes, kind of. It's cozy. It's cute. It's very cozy, cute, different vibes. Yeah, different vibes. We like it. We like it. Yeah, I'm, I'm yeah, I'm happy. I'm looking forward to the Today. Yeah, I know. You know. OK, So it's Fall officially.

1:43 Fall. Yes, Right. Yes. I love fall. I don't know about you. Love it. Do you love it? The clothes? Oh, the clothes are so good. I know like you, you get to wear layers and like scarves and all of the things. What are what are your favorite like fall traditions, like holiday traditions? Is there anything that you guys do? You know, we don't really, no. Well, of course, Halloween. You dress up for Halloween. Oh well, that yes, of course we love Halloween, but it's like norm, like traditional holiday fall traditions now. You guys don't like carve a pumpkin? No, no. Watch scary movies. No. No.

2:24 OK, Well, that's helping me here. Thank. You No, but it's it's I I like the costumes and the parties. We got costumes, yeah. And, and we're actually going to be going to a a costume party. That's right. Which is. Really going to be a lot of fun. Yes. Yeah. We were just talking about our our costumes. Costumes, Yeah. And how involved they are. Go figure. Well, go figure. Yeah, anybody who knows us knows. Yeah, not surprised. People like, what are you gonna be for Halloween thinking, oh, she's just gonna be like a deer or like a cat or like I'm like, I'm Nosferatu bitch. Yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna be looking as like ugly as possible. Like I told you, no one's gonna recognize you. No one. No one's gonna know who I like. We were talking before and Kevin was like, because I'm gonna have a bald cap on and he's like, yeah, no one's gonna know who you are. I'm like, I think the only way that people do know me is by my hair.

3:15 And like this is there's no, like people don't really recognize my, it's not my face, it's just my hair. So it'll be a lot of fun 'cause I have a really small head, so my hair just makes it look bigger. So I'm like, I'm gonna look like a little tiny, like AQ tip or something. Well, so some of my my holiday traditions or like my fall time traditions are like, you know, watching movies, staying in, having dinner parties and, you know, during the dinner parties, what do you talk about? Weird shit? At least we do. We talk about weird shit. Like it's amazing how quickly aliens come into the topic. Of well, yeah, 'cause you're at the table. I know, 'cause he's so scared of them. I'm like, so is, does anyone know about aliens? Like, hopefully you're not an alien, you know? So one of the weird conversations that I've actually been having that I had recently with a friend, with a friend, was just how we felt like life had been incredibly different since 2020.

4:20 Yeah. It's like before and after the pandemic. It's different world. Totally different world. And, you know, while, yeah, like, that year totally blew and it was like one of the worst years, you know, for me personally, what my friend had said was it was something after that kind of like made me think and it was a theory that everyone had actually died or had a time shift in 2020, which was why everything has been horrible since then. What do you think about that? What if we all there's like mass extinction in 2020 and that's why everything felt so weird? And no, that's fucked up.

5:04 We're I. Don't know. See, my head always gets fucked up when it we start talking about time. We've had this discussion before. And so if you think, yeah, so I start if I think of start thinking about that too hard, my my mind will pop a little bit. It kind of messes with my head. So no, I don't. I don't think that's true. But I mean, could it be like, I don't know, of course. Like who knows, a lot of things are possible a. Lot of things possible. And the way that we experience things is not necessarily what is in reality. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll say like when we had we're talking about it was I would kind of was like man, like, I don't know, maybe I didn't really agree with the whole thought process, but I did start to look into this theory and the results kind of actually blew my mind and LED me down like to the infamous phenomena known as the Mandela effect.

6:02 Oh. My God. Yeah, have you heard of it, Kevin? Yes, yes, and that's freaking weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. So when I was looking at the Wikipedia article for the Mandela Effect, there's actually very little information on it. It actually refers to another page, which is in the first link in our show notes. And like any good weirdo, I put on my tinfoil hat, which we still need to get. We keep on talking about this, put on my tinfoil hat, and I rubbed my hands together and just started digging. So as you were saying, or as we were like talking about like we both heard of the Mandela Effect, but it's actually a group of people who remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s. So do you remember who Nelson Mandela was? Yes, from Africa and this is the thing. OK.

6:59 I'm like the one of those people, Like my history is twisted up when it comes to that. And part of me, I chalk it up to like, well, I'm not real. I don't sometimes I'm not real good at. I'm like the typical American where my life revolves around that. And so I don't know much beyond America, you know, one of those people. But like for the Mandela, like I remember, like I'm quite certain he died. Right. And so, so that's the theory, right? Like the theory is that Nelson Mandela actually died.

7:42 And so, you know, you're saying, who is Nelson Mandela? Nelson Mandela was a South American or South American South African leader who was. Imprisoned. He was in prison and he was anti apartheid. So apartheid was like the separation of like blacks and whites in in South Africa. And he actually ended up serving as the first black president of South Africa from 1994 to 1999. And he was the country's first, like, you know, head of state that was black. And was it was he was fully elected in a democratic like election? And what put him in prison? Like what got him into prison?

8:25 So he was a huge political activist, so he had a lot to say about, you know, the apartheid. He didn't think it was right. And so he was imprisoned because of that. And so. And this was back in the 1980s that he was imprisoned, right? And so I, among many others, believe that he had died. Yes. In prison. Yeah, so, so there's there are. The term of Mandela Effect was actually first coined in 2009 by Fiona Broome when she started creating a website to detail her, like, observance of the phenomenon. Because she was at a conference, like talking with a bunch of people, and she was saying how she remembered, you know, Nelson Mandela dying tragically in a prison in the 1980s, just like you. You said you remember his death and people, like, mourning it like it was televised.

9:23 I remember him dying too. You. Do I? Do I remember him being dead? And I don't know why? I was born in 1987. I don't know why I remember it that way, but I do, yeah. Yeah, see. And I don't know that I remember the circumstances behind it, but had you asked me if he was alive or dead, I would have said he's dead. Yes, yeah, Because it was like it was something that was like a tragedy like Allah, you know, Princess Diana, like her death, like there was a lot of state, you know, things or like state, you know, there's a lot of televised, you know, services and stuff. And I remember that.

10:07 Do you know in your research have have, do you have any idea about how many people think that he was like what the percentage of the population is in regards to the people that think he died at some point? Yeah, so that's the hard part about this is, you know, how do you put out an official survey, like how you'd have to have like a census or something to try to ask every single person, do you remember this? Do you not remember this? That's why this woman had created a, a website, you know, to start to catalogue it. She's like, why is it that not only I and she was a scientist, not only I have heard this, but everyone around me has heard the same thing. Why do we not talk about this?

10:58 No one has talked about like the fact that we remember the specific event happening for no reason, no reason whether and I don't know, like I kind of recall it being like a tragic thing, whether it was like something where his health failed like straight away. But I felt like it was something more targeted. Like I felt like his death was a targeted death. It wasn't like a he died from a heart attack, right? It was like something more tragic. Yes, yes. So, you know, one thing that you, you know, one thing that we have to say on the podcast is, you know, 1 Nelson Mandela did not die in the 80s in a prison. He actually passed away in 2013.

11:39 And as this woman Broom like, began to talk to other people about her memory, she, she, she was like, OK, it's not just me. Others are remembering seeing specific news coverage like we were talking about of his death as well as a speech by his widow, like where his widow got up and like spoke, yes, this was huge. And it wasn't just, you know, people who were, you know, from the, I don't know, the US or whatever. It was a lot of different types of people. And she was shocked that such a lot large mass of people could actually remember the same identical event in such detail to even like say, OK, the widow is giving this speech. We remember this.

12:20 We remember the state funerals when it never happened. That's fucked. Up. Yeah, we have these details of it's like a collective memory. What the heck is going on? So she's writing, you know, she created this website and her book publisher is like, I think you need to look into this, go to the website and, like, discuss this Mandela Effect and other incidents that might arise from that. This must be some kind of phenomenon that needs to be explored. Interesting. Yeah. So this is so we use the term Mandela Effect because this is one of the more. Common.

13:05 Common, historically relevant. It tends to be like a pinpoint that a lot of people remember and it was kind of like the one of the big ones so named after Nelson Mandela. But there are ton of of other instances of Mandela effects. So I thought I was going to like start giving you some common ones and see how you remember them. So this is actually, you know, to be on the on, you know, let's take down like the 4th wall right now and let you know that we actually did record this episode. I don't know, like a month and a half ago. Seems like a long time, I'm sorry.

13:47 Yeah, it does. So, so we had recorded it and the ones that I had given Kevin, he he already knows. He knows the ones that I had listed so. But see, here's the here's the great thing about me. What? I don't remember shit. Oh, beautiful. OK. And I and I don't have to like pull up all these esoteric ones. I'm going to give you. I'm going to give you the. Yeah. I remember that thing. Yeah, OK. So I'll give you like, just like a couple ones and you can tell me how it's being remembered or how you remember it. OK. We had talked about this before. There was this infamous picture of the tank man in Tiananmen Square, like in China. This was like, I don't know, maybe in the early 90s, eighties, where people were having a lot of like, yeah.

14:34 Do you recall that? Yeah. Yeah. OK. What do you recall happening in the picture? Like it was a series of pictures. Well. What do I remember? I remember him remember the person. They're holding a bag. Seems like I remember them holding a bag. Yes. And what did, what happened? Did they get, I don't remember if they got run over or I feel like no, I, I feel like I don't remember. I feel like I don't know what happened. Like I don't remember anything past him holding the bag and then kind of moving, trying to get in front of the tank and then he'd move and the tank would move and then he'd move. But then I don't, I don't.

15:27 Honestly, I don't remember anything past that. So, you know, there's a series of of things that people remember one of them being, OK, so this man was, it's a black and white photo, I believe. It's not vibrant. Yeah, it's very muted colors in Tiananmen Square in China. And this man standing in front of a huge tank and he is wearing like, you know, plain clothes, like a button down shirt and, you know, pants, like slacks. And he's standing in front as a political statement to say like, we don't agree with this, like communist, like regime. That's like the whole idea. But a lot of people remember this man getting run over by the the tank. Yeah.

16:12 I, I, I don't remember. I could see people thinking, remembering that. Yeah, yeah. He did not. He did not, no, he ended up like trying to get on top. He got on top of the tank. And so that's so that was like a pretty common one. Another one. This is one that I did not go over with you on. So Shaggy, do you remember Shaggy from scooby-doo? Sure. OK. So he's like kind of lanky and. He's kind of like that nerd, but yeah. Surfer nerd, surfer nerd. Do you remember like, so he's like kind of, he has shaggy hair, right? Like pretty thin, yes. Do you remember anything about his like neck area? Shirt long skinny neck.

16:55 Long skinny neck, Yeah. Do you remember anything else about his neck? No. A lot of people remember him with the like a a big old Adam's apple that he had a big old Adam's apple. You don't remember that? Well, when you say it, I and I think back I go, yeah. I'm really trying to not like I. Know lead me. Yeah, I get it. No, I get it. But I don't. I, I, I don't know that I would ultimately remember that. I can say that I do remember, I remember an Adam's apple, but you know. Like if you would have described to him before, like not knowing this like and someone said describe him, would you have said Adam's apple?

17:39 You know, I probably would have been like. Like would that have been a thing? I think it would have been like, well, he's like super lanky and he's one of those guys that like, yeah, that that has like a big old Adams apple, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Among other things, right? So the the other thing, okay, so remember like Steamboat Willie, Mickey Mouse. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So Steamboat Willie, it's like the first cartoon with Mickey Mouse he has on the Steamboat. Yeah, on the Steamboat, but the steering wheel whistling, yes. Whistling. Tell me about his clothes. Like, do you remember what he's wearing? He definitely has like a hat on. So Mike has suspenders, shorts, I, I can't remember getting me on that. It's interesting.

18:28 The first thing you say is suspenders. Everyone remembers suspenders. Yeah, he never had suspenders. Lies I'll. I'll show you right now, no suspenders. I'm I'm currently. Shooting. Yeah, no, no suspenders. But that was the first thing that you said was suspenders. Everyone remembers him having suspenders. What the fuck? I know. OK, there's, you know that serial and it's with it's the Crunch one with the Captain Crunch, Yes. So what did you say it's called? Captain Crunch? Yeah. How do you spell that CPTN?

19:11 Captain Crunch. It's it's a lot of people remember captain, like it being captain, but it's CAPN. Yeah, that's what I remember. You're right, you're right. You're on same timeline. OK, OK, Tony, the Tiger's nose. Tony the Tiger's nose black. It's blue. It's blue. It's blue. It's blue. Oh, it is blue, OK. I played a color game with like my little cousins and that's the only reason I know that because I fucked it up a million times. Like let's play it. They're all like 8 year. Like you know, 8 is like the oldest.

19:53 And but do you think like for that one, that one though, like I don't know, blue and Black's close. Yeah, I I think that like the thing that was so surprising to me is when I saw it, I was like, but the background of the box is blue. Why would they ever do that? Like why would they have it? I I think that like I was like, it's too close to that being said, it's pretty close. Like what? Black, brown. It was probably like a printing decision because they already have. Oh, for the colour, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. It's not an additional. Interesting, right. Another colour. Yeah.

20:34 Yeah, that's interesting. OK. OK this is probably one of my favorite ones. There was a movie back in the day the had a genie and the genie was played by an African American man and it was like the IT was a kids movie. And I talked to you about this before. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sinbad. Sinbad. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. So it was Sinbad. Sinbad had, I think he had like a television show at that time too. I. Feel like it or he was on it was in a comic, a stand up comic in like what's the theater in?

21:15 Oh, I know what you're talking about. What the? Not the improv, no. It's, it's like a real scary place, like you don't want to fail there 'cause people. People Heckle the fuck and they don't give you any. Yes. That place, I feel like he was on that a lot. He was on that, but like he had like some kind of. Anyways, I remember Sinbad being a genie in a movie called Shazam. I remember him being a genie. Yes, somewhere. Yeah, like it was like one of those like 1990s, like film, like like mid 90s films. And it was kind of like a silly 1, like, you know, the kid who goes back in time, like, you know, in King Kid in King Arthur's court or something. Like silly, like comedic kids movie. I remember it being called Shazam and he had two kids and like kind of gave them shit throughout the entire movie, like the whole the whole time.

22:08 It's like he was, you know, he's a genie and he's way smarter than anyone else. He just so happens to be, you know, imprisoned at that point and and just gives them shit. Like he just makes fun of these kids who end up opening the lamp. It never happened. That movie never existed ever. They even had there is a joke online. There is a, it's a, a short with Sinbad and he is pretending like he's a genie because people have this memory of him being in a fucking movie as a genie. Like people my age, which we would have been kids at that time watching this fucking this, this movie.

22:49 And so they they joke around about it, but it was actually there was a movie called Kazam with Shaquille O'Neal. And I remember both movies existing but Kazam kind of being the lamer version of it, like the generic, you know? That makes sense. Like the version, like they tried to remake the magic, right? And so they're called it Kazam. And then they had Shaq. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Shaq was like a really hot basketball player at the time. So like, of course they're gonna use him, but he's shit at acting and he's not a comedian. Like, now he's better. But you know, yeah, at that time it's like it was pretty fucking rough. Wait, this is not real. It's not real. Well, it never happened.

23:31 Never fucking happened. That doesn't make sense, I know. Do you OK, Britney Spears, you know, the oops I did it again music video? Sure. So a lot of people like, there's like the memory of her. Like, do you remember anything about the music video? OK, she OK, sure she's so she was in a school girl. Oops, I did it again. Oh, which one am I talking about? Oops, I did it again. Was like the one where she was on a different planet. Did it again. Yeah. That's what, the red, that's the one we're talking about. Yes. Yes. Yes. OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she was in a red, like leather, leather outfit. I think she had a blonde ponytail maybe? Lots of dancing.

24:20 She was into a moon man astronaut. Lots of background dancers. Was there anything else like she was wearing? I just remember the red outfit. Just like a jumpsuit like. A big jumpsuit, yes. So a lot of people remember her having a like a microphone headset in this music video. Do I remember a microphone headset? Yeah, possibly. Yeah, I wouldn't argue that. I wouldn't argue that no, that wasn't true. So yeah, and a lot of people remember that she even had a Barbie sold that way, like a Britney Spears Barbie with like the headset and everything.

25:02 OK, but if you watch the music video, she does not have a headset. There is no headset. Interesting. Yeah. So that's like, so was the Barbie sold with a red outfit and the headset? Yes. Well, that's why. Yeah, yeah. That's so that's like a possible explanation for these things, right? Yeah. OK. So peanut butter there's like what are the types of brands of peanut? Butter brands there is Peter Pan. Yes. There is Skippy. Yes. There is Jiffy.

25:45 That's actually exactly what I needed you to say. Oh, OK, so so you said jiffy, right? Yeah, it's actually Jiff. It's not called Jiffy. It's not jiffy, no. Why did I say jiffy? I because you remember it being jiffy, see. What the fuck? I know, I know, like like look. Wait, it is Jeff. Oh, wait, Jeff, What's that over there? That's that's like a fake one. Oh. It's not the real. Why did I say jiffy? Because you remember being jiffy fucked up Mandela Effect, man, Like that's that's exactly what it means. I know it's getting into your head. So Looney Tunes, Bugs Bunny, you know the you know the like the image of.

26:36 Yeah, with the circles. Yes, the circles. What? Like tell me how to spell Looney Tunes. L0 0NY TU tunes TUNES. That's right. You're right. A lot of people, a lot of people remember T0 0NS like cartoons CAR T0 0NS. Do you have an image of it of what people think it looks like it's. Right here this is like. The thought people think it's the T0 0NS. So you're not. You're clearly not on that. I'm not on that list, but when I look at that, it looks real, yeah.

27:20 I mean, it's very close. Yeah. OK. This is like one of the big ones. OK, So there was a cartoon bear family like in the late 80s, early 90s. It could they could have been in the 70s too. The there was a family of bears. The Goldilocks bears. No, no, it was so. It was like this family of bears. There was a mom and a dad and a brother, sister and like the baby bear and people, it's Berenstain Bears. I remember it being called Berenstein Bears, but it's actually Berenstain Bears. It is not Steen. It's like stainless and you stained your, you know, blouse or whatever.

28:05 And so that trips a lot of people up because they're like, no, I fucking remember. I remember this very vividly. Just like that show with Oh my God. What is her name? Sarah Jessica Parker. That takes place in New York City. Sex and the City. Sex what? Sex in the City Sex and the City. It's Sex and the City, but you said sex. In the city I did. Yeah, so people remember it being Sex in the City. It's not Sex and the City. I'm just saying. So it's just like, it's like a lot of like these like little things that, you know, people like, vividly remember, IE like the fucking, you know, Monopoly guy. Everyone knows.

28:46 Everyone played Monopoly as a kid. Yeah. And we never play it anymore because it's a fucking horrible game and you hate everyone that you're playing. And it takes forever. And it takes forever and everyone's just like being like real assholes trying to like fuck people over. Give me the. $14.00 I have two hotels on on this property now. It'll cost you $700.00 every time you step on and you're like I only have one property because I wasn't a greedy. Asshole, do you want to trade? So if you. Like I'll give you Baltic. Yo, you know Baltic if I can have Saint Charles place so Monopoly man, what does he look like? He always has a.

29:29 Bag of money. So he has a mustache. Yes, and a top hat. Yes, coat tails. Coat, court tails a. Cane a cane. Yeah, he's in like a tuxedo, I think. Yeah, this little eyeglass. Yeah, like the monocle. Monocle. Nope. He's never had a monocle. The lies. Totally not lying. That's lies. There's no lie here. Lies. I'll show you right here. And so there's there's one time that it's been seen as a monocle. Yeah. And it was like in some kind of like, you know, Danish one or like version of Monopoly.

30:11 But it's never he's never had a monocle. What? So even like you remember the movie Dumb and Dumber? Yeah. So in Dumb and Dumber, Jim Carrey has a scene where he looks at this guy and he's like, oh, I see you're the Monopoly man because he's dressed just like A and the guy has a monocle too. And so like even Jim Carrey's character, like when they were dressing up this guy to make him look like the Monopoly man, they added the monocle. The monocle never existed. That's not real. I know, I know. It's fucking crazy. What? That's something that everyone remembers. It's not even on the board game. Not even on the board game. Not even on the board game.

30:54 Oh my God, that's fucked up. I know. This is one that we like. Why does this happen? I don't know. And I think I think that like, you know, there are like countless examples of it and like even like, OK, so we talked about like, you know, Shazam, OK, like even things that like a lot of these memories are coming from when we were kids too. So, you know, that could be part of it, like Disney Snow White, you know how the Wicked Witch or like the Queen Mother. Like what? What did she say? Mirror. Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all? And she never says that. She actually says Magic mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest?

31:39 Of the wall. Yeah. It's never mirror, mirror. It's never mirror mirror. And that was the first Disney movie. But everyone says that. No, Yes. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's not possible. Well, you can pull it up, you know, it's, it's real. It's for real. I remember having watched it afterwards like as a like a teenager and being like the fuck? Oh, you actually hear it say Magic Mirror. It's magic. Magic Mirror on the wall? No. Yeah. Yeah, OK, but check this out. OK. OK but maybe this has something to do though with the Mandela Effect because if you watch Snow White and the Huntsman. I haven't seen it.

32:28 OK, well she has a magic mirror and she goes mirror mirror on the wall like that. Oh yeah, the dramatic pause. Yes, with the dramatic comma, because so like that feeds. I feel like that feeds that Mandela Effect, I guess, apparently. And now I'm going to go watch the one with Julia Roberts version, the Snow White.

33:11 She doesn't want to. She's the queen of the Snow White or something, right? And now I want to watch that and see what she says. Yeah, it's interesting. Like we're, are we kind of changing? Are we feeding it right? Yeah. So like, OK, there was, as I was thinking about this, like, you know, all these effects and like this weird shit, I remembered a movie that I'd watched years ago, and it was called Yesterday. I don't remember Risk. I don't remember this movie. Yeah. So it was, it came out like, I don't know, maybe. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yes, Yes, yes, yes, yes. It was about a guy. Yes. Who somehow was able, like he remembered Beatles songs and but nobody else in the world did. And so he got to pretend like he wrote all of this great music, right?

34:06 Yes. So he like this guy, what ended up happening was he was in, he was a a bicyclist and he was biking like to his job and gets hit by, you know, a bus and get is in a coma, misses teeth. And he he wakes up remembering like everything seems to be normal. You know, of course, like he was in a pretty bad accident. He's feeling better. But he was joking around and saying like he started playing because he was a musician and he started playing for like an open mic night, like, I don't know, I want to hold your hand or like yesterday or something. And so he's playing the song and people are like, Oh my God, this is such a great song. This is amazing.

34:46 And he's like, well, of course it is. It's the fucking Beatles. Like John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote it and they're like, wait, who exactly, exactly who are you talking about? And so the movie's actually it's really good. And what he ends up doing is exactly that. He ends up becoming pretty famous from, you know, all these songs and he decides to and there are a bunch of other people who've had tragic like, you know, brain injuries and remember the same remember. The Beatles. Yeah, and the Yellow Submarine and stuff like that. And they all like get together and they talk. So it's like their own Mandela Effect that they're living and. And so this guy is like experiencing it and he ends up meeting.

35:27 He like, goes and meets John Lennon and meets like, Paul McCartney and like, looks up these guys and realizes they had started a band. But it never, Oh my God, nothing ever happened from it. So then he just steals all their songs and like, makes this shit a lot of money, which fuck if I have to get hit by a bus. For that to happen, it would. Be fucking nice and he becomes like the most like, you know, insanely, you know, popular. Musician. Just like The Beatles. So there's like a ton of reasons really why something like this could have happened, you know, could, could it be like we're on a separate timeline or a parallel universe? Like that's something that kind of goes through my head. So do you, do you remember in one of the episodes we did, I talked about parallel universes and like kind of that how the bubbles can kind of intersect.

36:29 I think it's highly probable, like if you believe in that at all, I think it's highly probable to think that if that exists, that how you could kind of cross over into these timelines, these different universes. I can't remember what they called it anymore. It's been so while since I did this episode. It was like the bubble something or other and how these universes can kind of connect these bubbles can kind of crossover. And still remain intact, right? And then? Separate exactly. If you're on a bubble bath, it's like, you know, they can like touch and then and then come out and it like they can grow and like, yeah.

37:17 So it's not so like the, the whole bubble effect is not just like everything's like sitting, you know, in its own world. It's that, yeah, it's that everything can be coexisting and like, expand and then also pull away and so. And if it touches, then you know, things can kind of cross. And so those two different universes that are running parallel but differently can kind of swap, which would give an explanation to the Mandela Effect. Right, right. And like, what if your what if your personal timeline is complete? Like you're kind of like shifting as a human being within these universes. Right, because you're going to be different in them. Yes, so, so but your consciousness shifts with the universe that you're that you're like. Wow.

38:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that intention or whatever is now I do obviously we both believe that like alternate timelines, parallel universes can exist. And I mean, it's been proven scientifically that like something like that is there. However, how do, how does that exist? I don't fucking know. One thing a lot of people point to is CERN. Oh yeah. For the explanation as to why these things happen, or maybe something that's aiding in. Oh, you mean so when they do their experiment? Yes, yes. And so CERN is actually, you know, the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

38:45 So it's a laboratory that studies like the fundamental structure of the universe through particle physics like research. Exactly. Well, yeah, 'cause the stuff they're doing is beyond like. Yes. Our understanding like of our dimension kind of almost 'cause they're like, yeah, doing things on a particle level, like trying to, I think aren't they trying to like figure out the God particle or something like that, Yeah. They have. Yeah, OK. Yeah, I mean like, like, and we're talking about on like such a small scale. I mean not small, but like big on, on such such a scale to like everything's made-up of, of atoms, right? Like we're all energy and like, but they're taking singular atoms and like creating a space that it is not being affected by other things and doing different tests and observing and like collisions between like different high energies, like boosting beams of particles to high energies and observing and recording the results of the collisions that occur.

39:51 And you know, they have a ton of different like technologies that are like brand new. We don't know a lot about particle tracking, radiation monitoring, superconductivity. So think about this for a second. Oh, OK. Like keeping an open mind. Yes, we it's kind of like drugs, like you don't, there are going to be this cause and effect and you're doing things that are beyond, you're experimenting, you're doing things, you're colliding particles for fuck's sakes.

40:32 And so you don't necessarily know what's going to become of that. That's why you're doing it right. Well, what if that is like merging your universes every time you do that? Totally. Yeah, or I mean, who? Who else knows what I mean? I can't even think of, you know what I mean? Like it could be anything. It could be anything. What if it's like causing some people to go into a different alternate alternative like universe or like come from an alternative universe? Everything operates off of a frequency, right? And so, yeah, what if that's matching people's, some people's frequencies, making them? Yeah.

41:13 And like, that's something that like, comes up a lot. And like the there's like a great rat subreddit and it's all about Mandela effects. And a lot of what people point to is the large Haldreon Collider at CERN. And they're like, oh, anytime they turn these things on, there are more Mandela effects that occur. Like more things happen. We remember things differently. We could have sworn that something, something different had happened, which is like very much like the butterfly effect. I was going to I saw that word popped in my mind when you started this whole episode was the butterfly effect. Like if and that concept is if you, for example, I don't know, killed a butterfly or like pulled the wing off a butterfly, that the consequences of that action could be like a nuclear bomb going off in a year or something crazy like that.

42:11 Just by by the series of circumstances, right? Yes, and it was based off of like a short story that was about this. Like really these rich people who would want, who wanted to go and hunt dinosaurs? And so they paid like millions of dollars, IE fucking those people who went to the down to the Titanic and paid millions of dollars just to do that, right? So same kind of idea. But they go back in time and they're back in time and they, they are staying on this one path. And they, and the rules are you have to stay on the path. You do not, you know, you know, emerge from the path, you can kill a dinosaur. See them, but you cannot take anything home with you. Like whatever happens stays there. You're not able to bring it back. So it's like really just the hunt of the game of like seeing and like paying for that experience. So it's very strict rules so and you can only kill certain dinosaurs.

43:08 Like it's not like you can kill anything. Like you can only kill what they tell you can kill. And they don't really say why, but they're like, you know, you just have to listen to our rules because everything can change. And this guy and something ends up happening during the, you know, hunt. And this guy merges off of the path slightly and steps on a butterfly and then gets back on the path. And so I think someone had died like in the like who was hunting. And they get back and there's like you sign a non liability. So like, of course, no one can sign your liability. Yeah, exactly. So they get back and everything's different like the the president's. Different normal. Timeline, everything's different, like the president's different.

43:49 People are speaking in different dialects, like the spelling of words like on the like in the newspaper and stuff are totally different. They're different like terminologies, like everything, like even the way that people look is different. And so he gets back and the guy who was heading the the hunt was like, what happened? He's like nothing happened. And he's like, something happened. He's like, you need to tell me. And it was because he stepped on this blue butterfly was the butterfly effect. Oh my God. So that's where the butterfly. Effect comes from. Yeah, interesting. So, but we talk about that is like something so small that doesn't and inconsequential cleanly actually has a huge effect on the way the rest of the world, you know, it's a series of yeah, of, of small, you know, small things that trigger what we're currently calling it cause and effect. So you see that the Large Hadron Collider is like a part of that. But another explanation of it is in psychology they have something called a false memory.

44:51 Have you heard of it? Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah. So it's really like a phenomenon where someone recalls something that did not actually happen, or they recall it differently from the way it happened, but that. That makes sense for a single person, but when you have mass. Right. I mean, being devil's advocate, people are pretty suggestible, right? Like if you, I thought I was like when we were talking about like, OK, do you remember this? Like what do you remember about the monopoly? I was really trying to not lead you in any way or like a couple times I kind of did, but like I was trying to like let you tell me what it was rather than like, and you did inferring. Yeah, but it's very easy to suggest people to people, of course, right.

45:35 So it really it's, it's misinformation ultimately. And there have been like there are several ways to do it, right. But but it what it does is that it creates that false memory and specific memories can sometimes be shared by a large group of people, which is where people like when you look up on Wikipedia, the Mandela Effect there, there's like nothing in the article because it says it's rerouting to a false memory like like the web page for Wikipedia for false memories. And so that's where it's linking to for you to read about it instead of like talking about like it does talk briefly about Mandela, but it really it's just like trying to say this is all fake. It's not real. You know this is like like.

46:18 Because really, what you're talking about is a fake memory. It's a false memory that like a lot and it can happen on on a grand scale. And one thing that's interesting even about, you know, Nelson Mandela, when I was on the that Reddit Mandela effects, there were people who were saying, you know what, this is like the stupidest thing because I am South African and I never remember Mandela dying. I remember him coming out of prison and I remember him, you know, becoming president. So I don't know what kind of, you know, whatever people are smoking. So that's like a huge one. And you know, really like they even there's another well documented example of a shared false memory coming from a 19 or sorry, 2010.

47:04 You're asking about like a study. So this was a study that happened in 2010. That example examined people familiar with the clock at Bologna Central railway station, which was damaged in a bombing in August of 1980. In the study, 92% of respondents like falsely remembered that the clock had remained stopped since the bombing. Like they never changed. 9292% remembered that that's crazy. And in reality, like the clock had been repaired shortly after the attack. So it always told it by and large told the right time. So years later, the clock was stopped, was again stopped and set to the time of the explosion and observance for like, you know, the commemoration of the bombing, like making like, you know, a moment of silence or whatever.

47:55 So we talked about a bunch of like the different ways that that you know, the Mandela Effect, like, you know, kind of plays is played up in our like cultural experiences and our just experiences like by and large, are you going to is your hill that you're going to die on? Will it be Steamboat? Willie's suspenders? The jiffy? The Monopoly man like? Yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah, the Monocle 1 kills me. Like that doesn't even make any sense, right?

48:35 I swear to God he has suspenders. So that one also doesn't make any sense. I think what I'm more blown away by in this thing is that there are so many examples of this where so many people think the same thing. And although, and you know, I try to go, OK, well, like you said before, well, someone had the memory and so then, you know, that's kind of gets propagated. And so then that forces other people to think that. So I mean, I guess that's one explanation of it, right? Oh, I'm smarter. Sorry about that. I don't know.

49:19 I'm I, I Yeah, this is one of the. This is definitely a bizarre AF topic that I just am not. I know. I can't really explain. Yeah, I other than I, I'm gonna have to. My explanation is the universe. That's my explanation. Yeah. So here's the thing. Yeah, could we, could it be a false memory? Sure. It absolutely could be, right? Could it also just be a symptom of us being in a different timeline? I think that's a very realistic situation. And like, I think anytime you bring up the Mandela Effect, we're gonna continue as time goes by, we're going to continue to be able to revisit what new ones you know, we have. So I don't know, I I think.

50:05 How do we find Yeah, like a great how does come to be like how like how do you figure? How do you like remember them or figure them out? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I guess like initially it's like having conversations with people and saying, Oh yeah, this is what happened. Right. No, you're like no, no. And you're like, no, I know that this happened. Like I'm going to like stake my life on it, but on like I love Reddit and the subreddit. Like you love rabbit holes, man. Oh, total rabbit holes. But the subreddit of Mandela Effects, like they have like brand new ones, like an like an ongoing list that you can look at and see whether how you remember. Like do you remember? Like there's an emoji one like where people are like there was a robber emoji and people are like, no, there's never been a robber emoji.

50:51 And in reality there has never been one. But I could have sworn that there was a robber emoji. Like that's just. Like a oh, you mean with like the Le Masque, the little I the black mask? There's not an emoji with the black mask. It's not, it's not a robber one. Yeah, no. But like these things are happening all the time and people are recalling them then putting them like on the list and then list I know about is the Mandela Effect on. So, so look at look there. Like if you guys ever have any like additional, you know, suggestions, you can go on to Reddit, but also like, you know, let us know, let us know some crazy Mandela effects 'cause it could be not just like something that collective consciousness has, but like maybe all it's like a specific thing that happened in your town where you're like, hey, I swore that like, you know, Johnny's dog Poppy, like died, you know, whatever.

51:43 Like it could be something like that. And like, you know, it's some nobody else remembers. But like, could it could that be an explanation of our expanding universe? I think it's AI think it's a pretty good. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, Hopefully we just stay in our the same universe. Yeah, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I'm cool with this. One, I'm fine, I don't need to switch. Yeah, yeah. We don't need to rock the boat here. No, no, I'm good. Yeah. But I just think it adds credence, it adds validity to the universe theory. Yes. The multiple universe theory, I think. Yeah, and multiple dimensions.

52:23 Multiple dimensions. They're talking about that in relation to UAPS UFO. Exactly. So this stuff is pretty relevant. Yep. Great. Fascinating, Bizarre. Bizarre AF for sure. Great bizarre episode would be all. Well, thank you for today. Thank you for today. Yeah, thanks for blowing my mind. You're welcome. Cool, we'll see you in a couple weeks then. See ya. OK, See ya. Bye.