The Power of The Mind

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1:04 Joining me today and I wouldn't have it any other way as my co-host as with the most as Alicia. Hey girlfriend. Hey, how you doing doing good. How you doing? I'm doing good. I'm doing great. Have some coffee. Yeah, let's go have some coffee. We're gonna come right back. I'll give you a topic of discussion. Rhode Island is Mila a road on island discuss this guy. Yes. Well we have I think a fun episode today. I'm so stoked. Yeah, today's we're talking about the the power of the mind and that can be a lot of different things.

1:46 We're going to talk about a few things, that that could be, but I'm going to take your lead and I'm going to start out with a quote who, okay? And this is from a gentleman, a doctor, Wayne wall. Altered dryer. Who was a very well-educated American self-help author, and motivational speaker. If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. Interesting. Yeah, I like that. So let me give you an example of that, okay out. Who ever thought about something? And then without explanation you, you notice it repeatedly.

2:29 So here's an example, you, you think about, you want to go buy a car and you're like, I really want this Ford Mustang. Yes. And you're just thinking about and also you see all these Ford Mustangs on the road? Yeah. Yeah. Another example you see you're in traffic and you see, like, oh my God, there's like three, Texas, license plates in a row. And then for the next day or two, you're all you see your texas-sized, your ass are. We being invaded by Exes. What the fuck has always been going on? I've never seen it before. So that's that's the point of of, dr. Wayne Walter dryer is that when you when you are thinking about something, or if you change the way you think about something, then things change because your brain is working in a way that you've kind of are telling it to work without consciously making it work.

3:21 Mmm, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Brain very powerful. Brain powerful brain. Brain equal power. So Placebos are another good example of the brain being very powerful. Yeah. So, for years, the placebo effect was considered a failure in medical science because When you gave someone something that wasn't anything and it worked. There was a failure. They are like they considered that a failure but it's recently, they've actually started looking at it in a different way and considering that kind of a success, there's a study where they talk about the placebo cure rate and the Rangers are drastic.

4:17 They are sometimes these can, they can be as low as 15 percent. But sometimes these Placebos can be as effective as 75%. That is so interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Again, to show you how powerful that brain is, that is all your brain doing that, right? So like, I guess like, from my perspective, or like a question that I have like, you were saying, right? Like, oh, this is like, like it's a failure in science. Why it? Why is it not like considered a phenomenon like Not have it is now they've changed their perspective. Okay, so it sounds like the quote is like instead of going.

4:58 Okay I give you this drug and I gave you this drug and now you both worked and so that complete. Wow, what did I do wrong? Yeah, they're looking at it in a whole different way. Like, okay, now the now we're getting into the what a mind can do. How powerful a mind is, you know what, this kind of like brings me back to the Gateway process. Oh sure. Yeah. At projects the CIA paper, all about the brain, the mind, and how powerful it is, and how you can really, you can do some great things with it. That you're talking about the great things that it can do. That's right. That's exactly right. So cool. So cool. So so what happens with the placebo effect is that the brain anticipates, the outcome and then the my will communicate with the body that anticipated outcome and It prepares the body for healing. By these miraculous events like by creating natural chemical reactions.

5:57 So, for example, give somebody a placebo Bill, a pill and says, this is going to cure your depression. and the body releases the serotonin, which Cures depression. Yeah, without all these harmful side effects, but your brain was anticipating that this pill was going to do the thing, and so it produced the things to do the thing. So, in other words, so, like depression is a lack or a like, like the serotonin, your serotonin or dopamine levels are like stunted. Yeah.

6:39 So and that's a natural chemical that everyone has. Yep, So you're saying these people are already low, they're already like you know operating on a low lower level. Yep. All that they have to hear about is hey, we're going to give you a pill. We're going to we're going to go through. Is it just the pill or is there? Is it in conjunction with something like therapy or like group session until it's just the pill? And they said this pill is going to help your depression. Wow. And they take this pill and it does because again it's all about intention and your mind being so powerful and convinced that that it's going to do what it needs to do that.

7:29 It generates these chemicals and your bottom. This is just one example, right? One example of a placebo and the point of these examples again is just to to articulate how How powerful our mind is? Hmm. It can do amazing things. And as they say, you hear this all the time we use on average, 10% of our brain. Oh yeah. What if we used 30 What if he's 50? What if we used a hundred percent of the capacity of our brain? If we're the things that we can do today with Timbers, can you imagine? Mmm, I can, honestly, I can't can't, we can't no, I can't but it does it, you know, you are asking a really interesting question which is 1 science.

8:23 Doesn't really understand what the brain but the brain. That's right. That we are what it says, don't. They still don't know. They have no idea. There's so Much that we don't understand. And maybe there is like a power of healing within our own, our own minds that exists that we can't quantify or qualify because we've always seen it as being like a nut - right, not a gain. Yeah, so it's a failure of science. Not it's not a it's not a phenomenon that we need to kind of embrace and try to better understand or at least create create like an experiment. Goes right, like science. Like yes, have a straight. Right? But create some space within that method, the scientific method where these phenomenons can exist and we can embrace them.

9:09 Yes. Yeah. It's just fascinating. So fascinating. Yeah. Even even, like, I don't know. You said it like, even three percent more that we could use. Could you Matt? I mean, that's, yeah, it's crazy when you start thinking about it like that so small. So so here are some things that researchers have found And this is, these are documented, these are in papers. I mean, you can these Our Lives legitimate, like Medical Science papers placebos, follow the same dose response curve as real medicines. So for example, yeah, Two pills.

9:51 Are better than one. A larger capsule is better than a smaller capsule. Again the cells are brain. Placebo injections are more effective than Placebo pills. Okay, once at the fuck, are they injecting these people vitamin or something? No, no with like Saline. It's like they know it's not going to cause any kind of brush, no way that there's an odd. That's water. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

10:32 Yeah. Substances that actually treat one condition but are used UPS as a placebo to have greater placebo effect than sugar pills. So example, yeah. I give you a Tylenol, huh? It said this is going to cure your skin rash. Sure. I give you a sugar pill and say this is going to cure your skin rash. The majority of the times, the Tylenol cured the rash more than that sugarpill the Tylenol cured, the rash more than the sugar pill, right? So, a placebo, they both placebos big technically.

11:13 Yes, they're not secure the skin rash, but the one that was actually a medication to cure one thing. But used as a placebo, in the experiment was more effective than the placebo. That was really nothing. So that's fucking wild geared so you had no idea. It's not like you know Then the person taking it doesn't mean they know they're in an experiment, right? But they don't know, they're being don't know what they're given. Yeah. It's like they're testing it beforehand, right? Oh my God. That's like one. That's fucking crazy but to what if there's like a greater knowing and that's not just inserting shit.

11:58 No, there is like a greater knowing where we are. Like more, I don't know Universal. Like maybe there's a universal mind or something, so exacting know innately that there is something more to this one pill at like collectively or whatever. We're going to get in telepathy and I'll tell my God. Okay. Sorry people. Yeah, that's a pretty beautiful tie in. Yeah. What if there is this connection? Yeah. Which because because how the fuck would you know, you wouldn't know. But guess who does know the scientist who's giving you the The thing. Uh-huh. They know that there's something more to that pill. Uh-huh, if you're somehow to Let's Help, ethically, like communicating on some level that you don't really understand. Who knows?

12:48 Oh my God. Okay, power of the brain, power of the brain brainy the greater the pain, the greater, the placebo effect. It's as if. it's as if the more relief, we desire, the more relief we attain, would you kind of think about, Kind of makes some sense like if I'm in great pain and the placebo works. I'm gonna it's big. The ratio of effect is going to be greater because I have greater pain. So I kind of make some sense that makes sense. I think that you're wanting to seek comfort more so like anything like that happen. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That's right. You don't have to be sick.

13:33 Flora for a placebo to work examples were Placebo, stimulants, or tranquilizers or Placebo. Alcohol. Can produce the same predictable effects. I have actually heard about that where people thought they were getting drunk and he actually were not getting drunk. There was no alcohol at all involved in like an entire part like an entire group of people are acting like Fucking like they have been drinking so much and in reality there's not been anything or even like yeah, yeah. That's that's Bizarro. Yes. Your brain. Did that your brain created, you're bringing that to your body. You'd like physically altered your body. I mean, it gets into that like, you know the way that you talk to yourself, like has a great impact on the way that, you know, the world sees you exact takes bright back to the quote, is, how you the way you look at things. Yeah, if you change the way you look at things, then things change.

14:40 Yes, yes. Goes as simple as if I am, just a cranky. But all day, things are going to suck, right? Right. Nobody's gonna want to be around you. They're going to treat you like shit? Yeah, totally. If I have, if I make myself have a good attitude, things are going to generally work out better. I'm going to make those things change, the things, recollect changed, how I looked at things, it's all weird connected. It's all fucking bizarre AF. Yes. So as in all brain actions, the placebo effect is the product of chemical changes your brain.

15:22 Is doing stuff. And numerous Studies have supported the conclusion that endorphins in the brain. Produced the placebo effect. Excuse me. And in patients with chronic pain. For example, Placebo responders were found to have higher concentrations of endorphins in their spinal fluid than Placebo of Nan. Responders. So people that didn't respond to it. What? What your spinal fluid? They're testing, it's not just like, you know, this person just feels better. It's like these are like legitimate. Fucking it like testing. Yeah. Where they're looking and seeing, Oh God, like this person, their spinal fluid.

16:05 We're tapping their spine. We're getting the fluid out and different showing. Yeah, it's different than this person. Got these, all of these endorphins that's fucking wild, dude, just like the thought Tower of the brain, the power of the brain, the power of thought to power of thought. That's what Placebo boil. Down to write is thought. Yeah, this Placebo is going to cure my skin rash. And look, it's gone. I mean, yeah, if you keep on saying oh I'm sick, I feel this. I that is another one people that have, what is that? When you're always do that, when you're always sick, hypochondriac Contour your like you're afraid of being sick, rats. Are you fearing it?

16:51 Boop. Boop, boop, that's your brain. You're creating that dating it. Yeah, you're creating your reality and it's easy for us to say I'm not telling anyone that they shouldn't feel that way. I'm just simply saying that that's how powerful the brain. You and I were both talking about our day before and are weak and we're both like God our weeks fucking sucked and prop it for me, it propagated. Let's get it. Because remember I said I had that one issue. Two days later, I had another one and it just kept going and it's like so out of out of character out of context or not, someone who has these issues and then it just kept on kept happening getting like as same thing with like acting. Like if I'm acting like onstage, that's a huge step. Yeah, you fuck up, you're like, oh my God, I'm gonna fuck up more.

17:38 Oh, I'm gonna go out there, I'll fuck it. It's just like it's gonna be a fucking shitty show. And you know what I found though, maybe it's the reverse some kind of placebo effect, like those shows were like nothing goes, right? Is the most fun for me? I always think it's like, keeps you on your toes. Keeps you on your toes, but but also like, it keeps you on your toes. You're not doing the same things. And, well, that's just a to, because it's the unexpected. Did right. Oh yeah. So it ties into this phenomenon where it's like the unexpected happening and you're kind of, I guess you're embracing that. So I guess you could be like, well, I'm just gonna throw my hands up and whatever or you could be like, I'm gonna fucking ride this ride.

18:24 Exactly. Which is, which is probably why it's the best thing just everything. That's so crazy. It seems like, okay. So you're talking about hypochondriacs. Uh-huh. Do you think that like that has something to do with personality like some of these things are more personality based? So like I'm I tend to be more optimistic. I'm not. I see the glass as half full or half a glass. Whatever realistic optimistic. Mmm, I'm not pessimistic. I don't automatically think everything's out to get me. Yeah. Does that have a huge effect on it? Would you think? I think it does? Yeah, I think so too. Again, I think it boils back down.

19:05 To your perspective, how you look at things people that are always very - those pessimists and those hypochondriacs and like there. It's all, it's like an ongoing. Yes, they're always a victim. Always a victim people that we always say, love drama. Like God just like a drama mama like yes. Old you live and driving when you don't have drama they feel uncomfortable. Yeah because right now there's faced with themselves. They have to look at themselves. It's all about your perspective and how you're looking at things and how you want to look at things and it just, it changes everything. And again I know it's easy to say and that's not why we're here today over here just to again emphasize.

19:51 Brain is fucking amazing brain. Equal power. Yeah, I mean yeah it's it's amazing to hear like real. You know, about real set like substantial. Daddy's that, you know, you have evidence where they're like, we don't we're throwing our hands up, we don't really know what's happening but something's happening, right? And the brain is that's all we can say is like the brain somehow controlling some of this are all of this or whatever the case is like yes. There's something going on. There's something there. Yeah. Measurable measurable. Yeah. It's measurable. We're tapping people's spinal cords and we're finding this shit's happening like What the fuck? So you're so your mind can really control your body, beyond what we can do.

20:46 It's not a constant normal basis. We're I've already given us examples of this. Let's take a little step further. Okay. What about telekinesis? What about telepathy? So let's talk about telepathy for a sec. Yeah. It was going to be like, what the fuck is the difference? The same thing. So, one is transmitting thought between 1% of the other was that literally control moving things controlling physical objects. That's the difference between the two. Okay? All stemming from the brain, the mind.

21:27 Okay? So in telepathy again is the transmission of information from one person's mind to another without using any known human sensory channels or physical Touch your interaction. Okay. Like this this is not telepathy. This is he's a sign language hands. Like he's doing letters for sign language. ABCD. There you go. I think this is d 0 D with one. Yep. Like that e.e. I think I J K is really interesting.

22:12 No, no no movements or anything. It's just, what is what telepathy is it too much to ask to be? Like, just sitting here looking each other in? Like, you know what? I'm about to say right now. Yes. What kind of my thinking Sam? No, okay, so the first not talking, the term was first coined in 1882 by a classical scholar by the name of Frederick Myers. He's a founder of the Society of Wait, it's not physical research. It's psych, psych psych, psych call achill. Psy CH IC i-- l-- psychology, psychical psychic, all psychical, thank you. I could call Society of psychical, research at all yourself.

23:00 Psychical research. Thank you. Yes. And it has remained more popular than what they early called it initially which was thought transference, which I like thoughts. Try think I like that better. It makes more sense to me. So start reading so in the late 19th century magicians and mentalists would they would perform this thought reading demonstrations and they would do things like perform like by correctly. Identifying Like a spot on a tail. Like someone would pick a spot on a table and they will have they well, the magician or The Mentalist would have picked that spot or find a hidden object or Etc during the experiment. Most would require physical contact with the subject. So The Mentalist or the magician, for example, a see, let's do a overhead.

23:52 Where do ya say we do something like this gracias? Yes. And then saying communicate tell, you know, show me where the that. Person picked on the table or whatever. Yeah. So they would all require some sort of physical touch like that. Clearly, the person who they were touching was in on it, they knew who where it was, they would use what they called. And I keep that I was trying to find this works. I'd found it one time I couldn't find it, basically boils down to muscle movement. So like somehow like you would touch and somehow you would like feel like this.

24:34 Yeah. And we would communicate by you could feeling where it was somehow we had it. So you could feel that that kind of muscle movement. Yes, and that's how they would communicate. See you at home? Old onto someone's. I could totally see that you could hold onto someone's rest and based on which like finger they moved, you could feel that muscle, you could feel my muscle moves, they wouldn't you know this would be obvious right if I was like doing you know this. But like if I'm just kind of like if you hold my wrist, huh? If I just kind of went like I could tell which side of your of your press. I'm UK. I'm not really moving anything but you guys but they're holding on to your hand. Maybe they're doing this. Yeah. Unlike.

25:14 Yes. Yeah. That's how they would. They would do that. Right? Which so slick slick, which then makes people not believing real straight but well there's money to be made and these motherfuckers are going to make it. It's perfect. So there was another famous read Earth. His name was Stuart Cumberland, and he was famous performing blindfolded treats. Like identifying a hidden object in a room that a person had picked out, or asking someone to imagine a murder scene, and then attempted to read the subjects, thoughts and identify the victim and reenact this crime. You do all these kind of like really dramatic things, he literally claimed that he possessed.

26:01 No, genuine psychic ability and his thought reading performance. Has could only be distant. Describe demonstrate by holding the hand of the subject, he came into dispute, you know, with this this whole thing. And again, it was this whole muscle muscle movement mob, muscle movement, but he knew, he knew the people ahead of time. They had already decided on something. Exactly. So there are plans. Yes, yes they are. All plans It Cumberland himself, he argued that telepathy and communication with the dead were absolutely impossible in the mind of man cannot read through telepathy.

26:43 And so, you know, there was this whole debate where they were trying to prove that telepathy and could exist. But then, you had people like him that, we're just effing it all up, right? And making people doubt it, doubt it. Yeah, that's that's the thing that sucks about it is like, you know, you'll sit there and and you'll have someone who is like, Hey, look, If this is legit like, you know, we've talked about like, you know, people in positions of power who are saying like, hey these things exist in them and and it's like oh here's a red herring. Like this is a some weird shit that I'm saying like, like Dia or whatever. Right. Like Dia. Like hey there's some weird shit for sure. Underneath Dia.

27:23 But you know what else is very strange fucking just like these underground bunkers. But oh yeah, we have like these aliens that suck like children's blood. Yes, they eat their Clan. Yes they eat. They eat children slams and that's why you shouldn't go to. I turn dia Denver International Airport, don't like it really does distract or does detract from the real issues or the potential. Yeah, problems. Yes, it's interesting. So so what about real telepathy? Like when we're talking about the no-contact telepathy like yeah, real telepathy, okay, so like I don't want to alarm anybody listening but the act of transferring thoughts into someone else's head is Literally real as in published in academic papers, real. Like they've literally, It's real. Like they actually no through did. They've document it is real.

28:29 Now, here's the cash. Okay, there's a little caveat. Oh wait, sorry, let me back up. So, yeah, part of the documentation was that people people have not only communicated like I'm thinking of a phrase and you go phrases, blah, blah blah. They've also telepak telepathy through telepathic, telepathic ways controlled rats. Oh, right. Go down. Go down. That road left. Known turn document. It Okay. Now here's the caveat. Technology was involved in that they had to put. They're called trans transcranial, magnetic stimulation in the rats.

29:21 And well, yeah, so the the the human would have this some kind of device on their head. Yeah. On the rats would have this little implant on their brain and they use this kind of this wand to kind of connect the two. And so they were literally like note, physically, connecting them physically, connecting through technology but men but through the mind and thought process, Doing things or transmitting information. So, So yes, not not not like apathy like we're thinking like I'm going to see here and you're gonna think of the color. Yeah, not like that. But what color am I thinking? Blue?

30:04 So but they were doing it. So, okay, maybe it's maybe it's telepathy 101, maybe it's the right first step into using more than 10% of our freaking brain, because that's all we're using, right? Maybe we need a like a helping hand. And some help me until we can get to the 30 or 50 or right. 70. Yeah. Whatever. Right. Um, so but it just proves that thoughts are tangible. Yeah, they are tangible. They're not human the grab it. But it's a thing that exists that it can change. Clearly, they're capturing it and controlling it if they can put it through technology, if I can control a rat through my thoughts, clearly that's a thing. Hmm, right.

30:49 Well for sure. Mmm. Also, haven't you ever had a sense? What someone's thinking and I've been right. Yes, so and it and sure settle things could have contributed like facial expressions or maybe the context of the moment or You know, something like that. But nonetheless, you've had this mind-meld so their men, I mean, there must be there, has there must be something there. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think that the thing that makes me think about it, it's something that's, everyone has had like, some kind of, you can walk into a room, like, I've walked into a room.

31:38 I wasn't in the room before. I didn't know who was in the room, but you walk into a room you're like, it feels like there's like some Anger in here. Like I don't like this feeling or you get like the heebie-jeebies or something where you're like, oh I don't know what's going on. And then you find out later, like, yeah, someone had like some issues in there or or whatever there's where you're at was. I don't know. There was a murder or something like that. Like you still there's like an imprint or there's like some kind of knowing that your mind has something you're picking up on something up. Yeah, yeah, something legitimate something. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And again, this, this might Must be the initial. This might just be, like, just the tip of that little Iceberg of what we're doing, but had have we been able to use temp? 100 percent of our brain, maybe this, maybe like we could legitimately do this.

32:31 Hmm. I mean, it kind of makes you wonder if the scientific Community there already already kind of studying this. Then they know that there's something something there and I've heard of people, I'm not going to bring them up right now because I'm sure we're going to talk about the future future episodes. But you know, you hear about these people who they can't. They can't really make sense of it. Like this person just has, they just know some shit. Yes, we don't. We're not telling them, they just know it and we can't we have no idea how that. Fuck, like how is this person has that? And other people don't. Maybe they're using a person, like more of their brain. Maybe that's it.

33:13 Yeah, I don't know, maybe that's how Some people can do things, maybe psychics, I don't know, but maybe they've got some connection with their brain. That's Way Beyond what normal people have. Yeah. Cuz even hear about like, I don't know, I will go into aliens like you, you hear about like telepathy and stuff with aliens and it's like, oh, they never was how they communicate. Yeah. Like they could communicate without talking. You just kind of know that they're what they're saying. Yes. But even in dreams and stuff. I don't know if you dream often so I do. Yeah. Yeah, in dreams like you'll have like, for me, I dream often and I'll have like an idea of something that's happening or like, I'll know how other people are feeling in the dream and there are no words that need to be said and that's just in your dream state sometimes you. Yeah, you're hanging out with your friend or whatever you might know them really well, but like you can just kind of feel something in the room.

34:09 Like I feel like they're this person doesn't like me or like, you know, fucking Karen or whatever like in and fuck. An accounting hates me for HR, like, they're all Karen's. Yeah, we still got that little and like I said, I know, you know, some people will say, well, you know, the context of the room or, or whatever and yeah, okay, sure. Like there's subtle clues, that I'm sure we can pick up on that, you know, give us an idea of what that person's thinking. Oh, we happen to be right but It's energy. Yeah. The bottom line is that those thoughts are energy and if you can, we've already proven that you can transmit them. I mean, we need some help with technology, but you can transmit them and you can receive them.

34:55 So, if, if you can do that better than people that are using very little of their brain than this seems very plausible, oh, for sure to me. Yeah. So I used to actually practice telepathy when I was a kid with my dad. Oh my God, your parents. The other pretty cool. Yeah. So we had cards and I'm sure you've seen them before but they're like white cards and they'll have like maybe a black triangle or a square circle. Wavy lines a plus sign right? They have these cards and we would you know, he would hold up a card to himself and he would look at it.

35:40 And then I would try to read his mind and say this is the card you're thinking of, right? Even odds, even the odds say 50 50 percent plus or minus is you know if you just kept doing that over and over and over you know all the cards. Yeah you're gonna you know there's going to be some percentage that you're going to get right just by guessing right? I distinctly remember one time I was with my dad and we had done this for a long time. The same we have been doing this these flashcards, okay by sometime I remember specifically one time and I getting Ting. Seven in a row. Wow.

36:23 And with like eight, you have a different, there's want to there's like they're eight options in these flashcards getting seven in a row with eight options. That's more than That's more than just guessing. Yeah that's there's something. There's the yeah the fact that you got okay, maybe two, okay. Yeah even reward for yeah then seven Yeah. So would your dad be holding them? And he'd like he would he would hold it in front so like if we were if we were like you if I if you were me I was my dad. He would take the card and he would hold it up like this and he would look at it.

37:05 He would just stare at it and then I would call out the card. So he would be staring at the card while you were almost kind of like trying to see his his thoughts. Yes. Which is that's telepathy. Okay, so honestly, you know how I thought it would work, huh? I thought that you would try like, let's say I have a picture of a guitar. Yes, up. I'd be like looking at the guitar and I just be like staring at you like guitar, guitar, guitar guitar. Yes, same thing. Okay, same thing. Okay. Does it make a difference? If you look at the car looking for the person, I don't like in transmitting. In my mind is of when I'm thinking, if I think through this, yeah, I don't have Look at you to transmit an electrical electrical transmission.

37:54 Like it's kind of think of it like a cell phone, like I don't have to point my cell phone at you or the towers like it just kind of. It's this. It's this transmission. Yeah. Okay. Right. So whether I look at you or that it's not that's not my eyeballs. Aren't the direction of the thought? No, no you don't have to direct it but what if we're so bad at it that maybe we are right, right? Cause I need to have it. So even though We're putting out there. I almost wonder, like, when you're thinking about things like flash cards, like that's one thing. But when you go into a room, that's had like a lot of, you know, maybe somber, like, like I was saying, like, emotions and stuff.

38:35 Yes. There's like a an echo or something of it. We just talked about that in our previous episode of the airplane where those? Yeah, that's what I'm Terrence to those physical objects. Right. Yeah I think it's the exact same thing that you're talking about. Yeah. Okay yeah so it is call them whatever you want. Negative thoughts or energies or even positive. Thoughts extreme feelings. Yes, exactly. That's weird. I going in the air or bouncing in the room or connecting to the TV or I don't know whatever. Yeah yeah. So I think it's the exact same thing. But of course it would have an easier way of moving things because because if you're if you're sitting there There. And like if you have an extreme situation, like you're about to die, of course it things are going to be imprinted or Echoes of that.

39:28 But if you're just trying to guess a guitar off of a flash card that's going to be really, really hard because there's no intensity. Yeah. The intensity is just not there, right? Unless you could use 50% of your or whatever I'm saying. Yeah, whatever the number is, I don't know what it is but I look, you're better at it. Like that's what you can do otherwise. Yeah. When It's hard. Like you said, it's just not. We're just not built for it for it initially. Yes. Or maybe we were built for it and we forgotten it. Yeah. Or we've been blinded to it or we've been blinded to it. The fucking conspiracy. People are trying to keep us away from being connected. Yes I could see that I can see that stays us. He has I mean come on how much money have you spent at Amazon this year, to my husband.

40:18 We all hate on but we're and I just had a conversation about it this morning. Oh yeah. Yes, I know I was talking to Dave about him. Like I should really need to stop. I need to stop at so easy. Okay, so Forget about this whole cool mystery sci fi aspect of ass for a second of telepathy. Okay. Think about the actual medical benefits of being able to send things to the brain that would help you heal. I mean, we just talked about placebos. Yeah, that's a great application, right? Put the placebo thing in conjunction with the telepathy thing, we're talking about cures without medicine or side effects.

41:04 Yes. Cares about medicine side effects or let me get on my conspiratorial a soapbox lots of money being spent people aren't spending the insane amounts of money even more reason to to block a man down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The these huge corporations don't want. They don't want us to be able to just kick us out like and yes. And you, I saw thought to cure her. Oh, hell to the no. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You wanna this diabetes like you? No cure. No. We'd rather just charge you a thousand dollars for every pill. Yeah. Uh-huh. Or for insulin? On which is the fucking case, right? I mean it would be in their best interest to not do it. Of course.

41:50 Oh God, that would be an amazing, amazing application. Yes. Okay, let's let's try to make that happen. Okay. Can you talk to these people? We're soon as you can, guess the color I'm thinking, then we'll be on the right path. Are you thinking of a color right now? Yes green, no, goddamn it. Okay, what about telekinesis, okay? So you are saying you were saying, tell tell Telepathy is thoughts telekinesis kinetic that's test you with your body or movement movement, so moving objects. Yes. So you can move your thoughts with your thoughts, moving anything, moving people, anything, anything, anything in the Physical Realm, the applications could be great and bad. Both.

42:37 Yeah. So but this is another thing I've done. Okay. Oh my God Kevin I love it. So I can't honestly remember an action going to go. See my dad here in a week so I'm gonna ask him if he remembers but and I can't remember where we were but he had taken me somewhere where And I don't want to say it was like to a psychic but it was somewhere where this was like a people, you know, the accepted it because I re I specifically remember sitting on a couch. Uh-huh. And there was this wooden circular. I'm going to guess it was maybe like seven or eight inches around.

43:20 As I said like a thick think of a cutting board. Okay. And it was round and on top of it was a glass Dome. So you imagine if you were like Like when you serve food and they put those domes on it with the smoke and you know, they serve so yeah, like like over like a cocktail or car looked like whiskey cocktail, imagine that like about eight inches around and the Dome you know like a foot tall, okay. And this glass Dome is sitting on top of their will hanging from the center of the Dome. Was this really thin like string and then a crystal that was like a, an inch long. Okay. And it's like a normal like The physical Crystal. Yeah, and it was hanging. So it was just floating in side.

44:04 This glass Dome and the idea was that you would focus on that Crystal and move it. You wouldn't, that was the purpose of this thing? This contraption for lack of a better term. Was that you, the idea was that you focus on this Crystal and you make the crystal move. Now, the purpose of the glass was to ensure that there was no external forces moving it, right? There's no wind or fan or anything. So, this glass would keep it from. I mean, there's literally dead still right? So you couldn't touch it to move it. He couldn't use fans anything like that with anyone near the table? Yeah, everyone. I mean this, Is having in the way and I'll keep saying waiting room because like but that's kind of it was like a living room or something. I can't remember.

44:50 But I remember seeing it repeatedly. Yeah. Okay. And every time we would go, I would do it. I would focus on, you know, I would like I want to move this thing. When I move this thing, I want to move this thing, and I did it every single time. I would focus on it. Focus on it. Focus on it. No, you moved it every single time. No. Okay, no. I was just going to do this, okay? One time it actually moved and it would move its very gradual and then eventually I just kept staring at it and then it started making this little back and forth. And then it started doing this kind of circus, like, circular very small.

45:33 Yeah. But it was like doing this kind of Maybe like imagine like a half an inch, it was just kind of doing this little loop at e Loop thing, okay? I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want it to stop. I wasn't sure if it was real if I was imagining it. Yeah. And so I just kept staring at it and staring at it and then by the time I actually realized what was happening, my dad was watching it and he had got other people to come look and go, you know, they're all staring at and they're all being perfectly quiet because they are like, oh my God, it's actually it's actually moving so it doesn't happen very often right exact well Right. How have you ever heard of anybody moving shit with her mind?

46:18 I mean, no, no, I have a couple questions after the story but okay, but what the fuck? So how long you how long have you were to guess? How long do you think you were moving it for? A minute or two. Okay. Yeah. I mean to say is, it's an artist to very well. Well then it and then what's it stopped and it would you know like anything in perpetual motion, it would have been really slow down and stop, huh? Yeah. So So I hate to say it like this, but how long was I physically moving it? I don't, it could have been like a second or five seconds to get it going and then it was, you know, it's on its own. I had never done it after before, or after. Okay.

47:09 Nothing ever like that. Again, in my life. How old were you again? This was late single digits. Okay, so like 9:00. Yeah. And remember what we talked about Spirit writing and another one. It was all in this. All of this happened to me within a couple of years. Okay, all in this like, 89 time frame, did your parents still like where they Still into that kind of stuff. Yeah, but you just didn't participate. at me, I did and they weren't it's not like they were I can also Super Active in it. It was just kind of like a past. Yeah, something something that you do like yeah, you're not playing chutes or ladders your fucking.

47:52 Yeah, we're moving Crystal objects in a glass container. It's very Colorado. And then so then I was like oh maybe thinking about it. Maybe dad was taking me to a like a Wiccan cult meeting in the catacombs of Denver and I'm just kidding. No. I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, what the fuck? Where was your father? Yeah. Like you're in your like I don't know exactly where it was but was like kind of like a living room like fucking what kind of call? Alt is that there's they're quite a few calls here, Colorado. So what, what the fuck was this? I don't think it was like that. I think it was, I think he was going to like, I like a medium or something. There's like a lot of people. There there, there like like this is like a yeah. There were like I want to. I don't see a lot.

48:34 It's like a waiting room. Yeah. So that there's like, you know, six, seven people. Maybe it's like a yeah. Maybe it is a psychic. I think maybe I was a psychic or a medium. Oh my gosh. I know. He has gone to them before. But what if he did? He was like, in a calm guy breaking his ankle, that would be cool. You do we have to do a follow remember robes, I don't remember, oh, yeah, ropes but I can't remember what happened for 30 minutes and I saw a dead chicken on the fucking ground. Like maybe I was and like, I don't know, I just Spirit of fucking Beelzebub. Yeah. Oh my God. So scary. Um, so, that's telekinesis and You know, Part of Me Goes. I don't believe you like I don't believe myself, you know what I mean?

49:25 But I remember it. I remember this happening. Very clearly. Just like I remember Spirit writing with my mom. Like I remember that happening. And so that's why I really believe that again that your mind can do way more than we even are capable ever know. So we can and in sometimes I feel like which is why it's kind of interesting that you had these experiences as a child. Like as a child, you don't really know what your bounds are. What your boundaries aren't that right? Isn't that I think that is exactly it. You don't know your restriction.

50:07 Yeah. And you're not it's not really like and yes yes. Put like an embedded into you at that point in time you're kind of like oh yeah, fucking Superman's, a totally a real person and right. I thought I could be Asian if I wanted to Too hard enough. I really thought he's in women were so beautiful and I wanted to be Asian and I thought that was an actual possibility. There is none told you that you could. No one told me I could but like there's very much nothing that looks like. I'm fucking Asian it. My hair's curly as fuck like there's no way but as a child yeah you think that the world is open and filled with possibilities. So maybe these like that, that percentage of your brain that, you know, kind of can control that maybe it was working. Yeah it's working.

50:49 It's not inhibited, the way that it is today. A pretty open to someone. That's what I think if you want to ask my opinion, I think it's that and you had tried. So like when you were telling me about this like pain because it sounds like it's a pendulum. So like as yes it's raining. What color was the crystal like, that really light white purpley so it's like an amethyst maybe. Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't like vibrant but I was like, yeah, seem like kind of that bluish purple a white kind of color so it's hanging. I'm a string. Yes, there's no one near it. No, there's no magnet smearing it, which is like, you know, that's probably how it could happen. It's just you and you've always been trying to fuckin every time we went and I don't remember how many times every time is I just know there was more than once.

51:39 Yeah, uh-huh. So I mean I believe in that. Hmm. They have you heard like people will talk about like moving right now. We have like a little candle or like a flame, that's let so you can move the flame like They say, hey, if you want to start practicing these things, you can look at a flame in a room that doesn't have like, you have to control the. And that's why I loved the fact that this happened the way that it did because there was literally zero. Are ya to push anything like with a candle, like, who knows where the breeze could come from her? As you don't know? Was that me? Yeah. Was that mirror was that actually? Yeah.

52:20 That so Oh, but yes I and you know, I had done that for the longest time like and that wasn't the only time that I tried to do that stuff. Like I would be at home and I would you know, focus on the pencil on the table or you know, whatever. Yeah guy I do. Yeah. I remembered trying to do that multiple times. Multiple like a lot and it just saw only one time it happens. So it's almost like I wonder if it's like a muscle that you can Flex, right? So like you know Pumping Iron love Pumping Iron personally but like you know you go to the gym and like when you first go you're like God, these five pounds doing bicep curls, this is really fucking hard but then the more and more you go you're you're growing your muscle and you can pick up more.

53:09 What if that's really what this is like if you continue to try to practice well now that's the other thing too. That I I think I have fully agree with you, that that's exactly what it takes. The problem is, I don't know how to practice, like, I don't know. Like, when I'm thinking about moving the pencil. Should I be thinking about moving the pencil? Like, what should I be down? Should I be training? It's like telling someone GO train to wait to, I don't know, run a marathon. You're like, well, I'm not sure what to do or trained to be a weightlifter? Well, what should I do? You know, where do I start? Where I start, like, how do I train? And so that's the problem that I face. I'm like Okay, well, I want to levitate, I want to make my body levitate. How do I practice that? Like, do I Envision it?

53:51 Do I, like, what am I do? I think that like, we kind of not that we're like, you know, but we are, we're very smart and but what if, what if part of that is in taking some of those prescriptions that you have or like the ideas that you have about what you're capable of and what you're not capable of and just kind of trying to go through it with childlike, Underwear. You're like yeah, of course, I can do this. So how do you do that? I don't know, meditations. Probably a good guy that just, I agree, I would fully agree with the whole meditation. We've quite convinced ourselves and we've been educated and educated the wrong word. We've been conditioned conditioned. Yeah, so many ways to think so many things and certain ways that we'd not even conscious of, oh yeah, absolutely mmm. So yeah.

54:42 I think meditation clearing your mind. Is the definitely the start. I totally agree with that. I think. Would you want to do that again? Is that something that you'd? Yes, I would love to do. I haven't thought about it in a very long time until I started writing this episode. It's first time I thought about it and eons just I mean the the ramifications of being able to be open in those capacities like It doesn't seem like it would be a bad thing. It seems like it could be a really, really good thing. You could be like Magneto like from X-Man you know he he like controls metal and shit like can do anything. Well like you said before any anything of value can be used in a bad way?

55:28 Yeah rice any power regardless of what it is can be corrupted can be good or bad and you know what kind of you know and we talked about we did talk about this in the Gateway process. But the thing that scares me He is when you have these people who are trying to, to hold on to power or who are trying to control other folks. Like that's a really scary. That's a scary thought. Like to be able to imprint ideas onto people who are unwilling subjects like that's bad, it's really scary. That is bad and if you and I've been doing a lot of research on on like Witchcraft and Wicca and all that stuff and that is one of the first four and foremost rules is that you it's about intent and not doing anything under anyone without anyone's acceptance, right?

56:26 Full acceptance, that is like rule number one, look even talking about. I mean, let's let's just get it, okay? Whatever, like it's morally wrong to do something like that, right? But Getting away from moral. Like the moralities behind that think about how much harder it is to talk, just talking to someone using, the your words and saying Kevin, I know your favorite color is, you know, purple, your favorite color, shut up. It is. We think about purple was finally, I just took the other.

57:07 So, oh my God. Okay, so do that. It's fucking cool. So I didn't know that. Hmm. Okay maybe I did, maybe I didn't, I just don't remember it anyway. So I see your favorite color is purple and I tell you Kevin your favorite color really needs to be red. You're already against the idea of it being read in general. Like, for me to convince you with words is going to be hard enough. Let alone one having to do it till I tell Allah telepathically, uh-huh. Who having to do it with someone who's uninterested? Yes, like that is I just feel like you would be going it's Anna such an uphill battle that requires so much energy and even like from this like Wiccan perspective.

57:53 It's like not only is it morally wrong. It's probably just like so fucking exhausting. So I'm worth your time to do that, right? Unless you were some very powerful powerful witch matter, you can just do it to be all about. Oh yeah who's that oppa come is it on my card? Yeah you definitely did. We're going to have to get those back up. Up positive thigh of positive thought about it. Thank you. I don't want to be kicked out. No, you can't.

58:35 Okay. Well that's that's what I had. So I again, I wrapped up with Just just think about how powerful those are our brains are yeah. Some good advice I think is what you just said is take a minute and every day meditate and clear your mind and just take advantage of that power that's between your ears because I think we could do some really cool stuff from it. If we even just use a little bit more of our brain start flexing that muscle. Yeah, I would love to see like maybe a little recap from you like you.

59:19 You may be having meditated trying to see if I could do it again. Yeah. Repeat that be fun. It would be really cool. I'm sure we could create it. I'm sure you have like a globe or something that we can stick that, which I have Chris. Maybe that'll be a new fixture on our table. Yes, I can start our episodes by focusing on the, every episode. We spend just a little bit of time, whoever's not hosting it, but we just can't move anything. Else on the surface of the table because I was like done a couple of times. Yeah, you tried to do like moving pencils and stuff. Oh yeah, of course, I've tried doing that. I've just I was saying I just hit the fucking table with my legs around too much. I can't sit still, this is a great episode. Thanks so much for encouraging, you know, and with like the New Year, it's like I just feel like, you know, there's a lot of possibility and and having you know, positive thought and this is a great, this is a great episode to kind of go along with that.

1:00:18 Perfect good. Yeah. Well, thanks for joining me, as always, of course, we'll see you soon, see you soon.