The Forgotten Episode : J-Rod and Element 115

0:01 Hello, bizarre story friends. If you're listening right now, you're tuned into the bizarre AF where we talk about the strange, the absurd, the unknown, and things that are bizarre as Bach. I'm Kevin. I will be your host for today's episode. And as always, we ask that you keep an open mind, keep a skeptical ear, but keep listening to the facts as we take you on our newest journey. J Rod and Element 115. Hey girlfriend, how are you doing today? Oh my God, I am so good.

1:08 I was so good. I didn't tell Alicia what today's episode was going to be, so she had no clue. No idea until you just said it and now I'm like oh fuck yeah, fuck yeah. I'm so ready to. I I've been wanting to talk about this. Me too. I me too. I was going to do. I think I can tell you I was going to do an episode about murder. I think it's time for some murder. Wait, murder. There we go. Yeah. But this is just kept coming up. And like when I was doing doing things and seeing notes and this just kept coming up and coming up and I've got to get this out of my brain. Oh my God, I, I am so happy you're doing this because it's been in my brain too. And I'm like, I, I'm like, OK, there's so much.

1:50 There's so much to talk about with this. Another one we could just. Do I mean fuck Yeah, Yeah. I mean, like talk about, like talk about honestly, one of the one of the first conspiracies or stories that I heard that I was like, wait, there's something to this shit. Right. Yeah. I think that's why it keeps coming back into my brain, because there's something with it, There's something with it. Oh my God, I am so excited for this fucking adventure we're going to go on today. It is going to be an adventure, so Groom Lake. Groom Lake, OK. Pittman Station, Paradise Ranch St.

2:32 Elsewhere, Dreamland. OK, I've heard of that. Heard of these? Yeah. These are the many names given to Area 51. Shut up. Really. Yes. Oh my God, what was the dream one? Dreamland. Dreamland. Uh oh. Groom Lake, Pittman Station, Paradise Ranch St. Elsewhere, Dreamland. OK, dreamland sounds like sleep with dream with the fishes kind of dreamland. Yeah, exactly. Oh. So I know we've talked about Area 51. It's kind of come up in our episodes in some form or fashion, especially when we start talking about government conspiracies, aliens. But we're going to, we're going to dive into it more today and it's going to be less about Area 51 specifically, although we do talk about it, but more about what's inside of it and specifically around J Rod and Element 115, OK. I'm on the edge of my seat.

3:36 All right, so if for those of you who live under a rock, area 51 is a remote base located in the desert of Nevada. From a distance it looks like any other air base in the world. It is however, one of the most heavily guarded bases in the world. In fact, they still have kill on site orders for this for trespassers. Really. I didn't know that. Base. Yeah, yeah, Wow. And this base has been confirmed by many people. They used to investigate alien technology and spacecraft that have been recovered through various incidents like the Roswell incident of 47. We got the egg shaped craft received from Fort Polk, LA in 53.

4:20 We've got the Hopkinsville attack of aliens in Kentucky in 55 in which the pilot claimed he actually flew alien bodies to Maxwell Air Force Base, and that was actually where the term Little Green men. Came from came. From was that of incident. Which? Is a little trivia fun fact people have also reported the build and testing programs of experimental aircraft which use alien propulsion technologies which we're going to actually get into because that is where element 115 comes into play I. Have my notebook out. Now, the fact that the US government wouldn't even acknowledge the existence of this base until 2013, right, says volumes.

5:06 Yeah, volumes. Yeah, I mean, who wasn't, wasn't it like Obama or whatever? Who was like, yeah, I, I remember it was a like a story like on fucking Yahoo news or something. It's like, oh, guess what? Area 51's real guys, You're like, no fucking dud. Yeah, yeah. Like, like, is it? Is it April Fool's Day? Like, what the fuck, Obama? Yeah, we know. We all know. Those of us who are in the fucking know. We know. We know. Yeah. But but I think that pressure was only due to all of this increased scrutiny and speculation around all of the increased reports and of all these aircrafts that were coming in and extraterrestrials being kept there. I mean, some more and more people were talking about it and saying corroborating other people's stories. And so it just it, I mean that that pressure they finally had just go look, we we kind of stop playing stupid. Yeah, yeah.

6:13 People actually know there's some shit going on. Yeah, yeah. So many attribute the government's finally admitting the base existence was significant to be fueled by a startling interview in 1989 by a man with the name of Bob Lazar. Oh my God, I was just waiting for you to talk about my boy Bob Lazar. I was just waiting. I fucking love Bob Lazar. He is the fucking truth teller, isn't he? So when you listen to him, if you listen to the reporters that have interviewed him, it is you. You really are like why am I questioning this? I mean, yes.

6:57 Some stuff he's I mean, we're going to oh God, there's just so much but but let me give you a quick example. Oh, please do. OK, so one example was in this interview, he talks about this thing where he puts his hand on it and there's these pins and he he's having a hard time describing what it is. But basically it was like an X-ray. He thought it was what it did. Was it X-rayed your bones and every bone was unique and that's how they were getting. The measurements. Yes, and so he, they would put it on this hand on this thing and it had these you've seen on video these spikes that would kind of come up through your fingers to position your fingers just exactly right. And everyone told him he was loony bin right person like you cuckoo Boo Boo.

7:43 That sounds yeah, you cuckoo Boo. For sure. It like it, like it sounds like it's coming out of some kind of like totally sci-fi, you know, 1950s fucking alien green men bullshit that doesn't exist. They interviewed him several years ago and then another reporter found pictures of that thing and she said, Bob, is this what you were talking about? He said, Oh my God, I never thought I would see this again. That is exactly it. Where he was putting his own hand. Where? He was putting his hand on the thing. They actually had photographs. It was real. So was it like a biometric? Screen. It was the beginning of biometrics. And that was like when the 80s.

8:24 Yes. The 1980s, he's saying. This was like before dude. Actually, late 70s. Oh, late 70s. Yeah, at least 70s, early 80s. It was in that time frame. OK, so remember, like Men in Black, where Will Smith puts his hand on that like globe thing and it like burns his fingerprints off or whatever. Yeah. And I, I remember when I saw that, I was like, there's no way we could do anything like that. And now it's like, I have a fucking smart watch on right now, you know, like, like. And Roy's will like redraw oxygen level and my blood pressure and you're all of that beep your EKG. Yes, it'll read. Yeah, Yeah, it'll read everything. It'll read like how, how well you're sleeping.

9:04 Yeah, your oxygen saturation levels. Like, please, what the fuck? And Bob Lazar is like he. Was already he's like. This is what we used to do. People are like, yeah right fucking. Weirdo Bob. Bob. And then they show him this thing and he's like, that's it. How did you get you bitches? I want the lion. How did they get the picture? I don't recall. I don't recall how this reporter found the pictures. He was a good reporter. OK, so wait, can we like, rewind it? Yes. Who the fuck is Bob Lazar? If you If you don't. Know if you don't know. Yeah. Because so I, I, I should have written a better bio on Bob, but Bob was a scientist who worked in Area 51.

9:47 And specifically he worked in an area called S4. OK, now S4 is located about 15 miles southwest of what we know of as Area 51. It's all underground. There's 5 levels, all underground. Underground, huh? But it's like it's good ways away from what we would say Area 51. There's the runway, there's the plane, right? There's the hangers. Yeah. So it was about 15 miles away from there. But call it S4, and he worked in. There was a scientist he'd worked in. There was other scientists and they had come up with some roadblocks. They'd hit some roadblocks on some things and they were trying to find some smart people to help. Right.

10:28 Little did Bob know what he was getting himself into. Yeah, 'cause he was like well known, like he would be fucking around with like design. Like he, he made his own like bicycle that like was propelled by rocket fuel and shit. Like, like this guy was like like a mad genius, like a mad scientist. He wasn't necessarily like, oh, hey, I'm like way learner from like I'm, I'm like a Ivy League bro. He's not like that. He was like a Tesla. Like, I'm incredibly intelligent. Able to think outside the box, just we thought differently than most people, which allowed him to come up with things. So they they scouted him.

11:10 They scouted him. Yep, brought him in. So among many of his shocking claims, he reports this he This is where we learn about S4 in this interview. He says he specifically calls out S4. Where he was working, 'cause if you don't know if you've heard this interview or seen this, it's very long and it's very detailed and he doesn't stumble over his words. No, anything, anytime I've ever incredibly articulate and like, honestly, like, OK, I'm love Bob Lazar, you know, love him. I'll say that. But fuck, can he be boring when he's talking about drowning. I don't know about.

11:52 It's like, dude, give me a little bit of fucking excitement in this information. Like but typical. Scientists. Typical scientists, just very analytical. Totally. Yeah, that's exactly it. Now he, this S4 has been corroborated by many people. So it's not just Bob talking about S4. Many, many people have talked talked about S4. He's very specific around the five levels in this place and they contain the very most top secret things ever held. They are there. They were talking ETS live and dead. We're talking about spaceships, we're talking about Element 115, which we're going to talk about, and that's where all the good shit is. This is in Nevada, Yes.

12:44 OK, I want to go. Who don't? Well, but what are they going to do, Wipe your fucking mind? Is it still here in existence? It's still there, I'm sure. OK. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. Hey if you work at S4 give. Me a call. Hit us up, call us up, go on to our website, the bizarre F dot. Com So he said he worked at S4 and he was directly involved in the reverse engineering of the spacecraft that I previously mentioned that was taken there. That was kind of his jam. Right, because he could make Schick go right? He put like rocket fuel on a fucking bicycle and like. Yeah, and this of. Course, they go to him. Right. Reverse engineers tell us how this what this is, how this works. Break it.

13:29 Break it and. Figure it out, Yeah. Wow, OK. So these spaceships substantially use some sort of propulsion system that harness the power of gravity. This is how they worked, and they did it, but somehow by manipulating gravity waves. And the key to this success was somehow directly related to the material that the spacecraft themselves were constructed of. So it's not like we know of today where you have some propulsion engine that you mix fuel and you exhaust and you create propulsion. This had some direct translation with the material that the ship was made out of that somehow affected. Gravity.

14:12 So it was directly in. It was directly working with gravity. Yeah, this material was somehow working. What it's gonna How do you? It's gonna start. It's gonna start to make sense. OK, OK, OK, OK. Like this is all over my head. Yeah, no, but you're gonna kind of go, oh, in just a minute. Even though I'm told science, dumbass. But when I start telling you about this. It's gonna kind of click. Thank God I have a cocktail. Everything starts to make sense. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers peeps. We're drinking a Mandarin. No, Yeah, Meyer's lemon drop. Oh my God, it's delicious. Meyer's lemons are.

14:56 Having kind. Of like orangey and lemony. Oh. So good. Wow. OK, so Bob stated that the fuel for these craft was at some point in time an undiscovered element known simply as element 115. Now keep in mind at the time of this interview, this is 1989, the periodic table of elements was a complete list. I mean these were the all the elements known to man, the elements, a table of elements that these were our elements. The periodic table. That's what we grew up with, right? Argon, Boron, all that dumbbell show you how to fucking memorize when you were a junior in high school. Uh huh.

15:36 Did not go to 1:15. No, no. He described in detail of what one of these alien craft was like inside, emphasizing that the chair that the pilot would sit in was way too small for an adult human. It was like a child's chair or. Something it's about that size. And if you look at descriptions of the the little green men, yeah. Oh, they're little. Skinny little bodies. They're like toddler. They're like, they're like maybe like 3 year olds with like massive fucking heads. Exactly, Yeah.

16:18 OK, All right, that lines, little lines, Yeah. Now, what I would consider the most absolute incredible claim was that aliens have been involved in human affairs for over 10,000 years and is directly related to how he knew about element 115. Now, in the interview, Bob has his identity concealed, but he later comes forward and kind of spoke clearly. That's how we know it's Bob Lazar. But in this particular interview, he was all like concealed, right? Nobody was supposed to know who he was, and when he asked why he broke his anonymity, he stated it wasn't an effort to protect himself from the government who would no longer be able to silence him without encouraging unwanted interest in the goings on in Area 51. So it was about self self preservation. Oh, so that's like that's like you OK, hide in plain sight? Yep.

17:15 Right. Yep. If they know. By the way, if I get murdered. You guys fucking know? Corroboration. The whistleblower? Yep. So he was, he was fearing for his life because they started finding out that he was like divulging government secrets. OK, one, that's super fucked up. Two, thank you, Bob, for doing the fucking Lord's work and telling the the fucking people that, hey, we're not alone, by the way. Oh yeah, aliens have been interacting. Aliens are fucking real and they've been interacting. For 10,000. Years 10,000 OK that is a question. How the fuck does he know that?

18:00 Well, 'cause. He's just reverse engineering, right? No, 'cause we're gonna talk about Jay Roth. OK, sorry. And keep. And I'm also gonna tell you there's a difference between ET and aliens. It's gonna be very important in this discussion, OK? But we'll, we'll talk. We'll get that in just a second. So Bob has taken all kinds of lie detector tests to support his claims. They see no deception in his light detectors. And of course, people will say we can pass. Well, no, not really. But OK, that aside, whatever. That's just the more you read and learn about Bob and you really start, there's really validity in what he's talking about. If you can see past the craziness that we don't understand, there's some there's some validity here.

18:42 I think that you're right. You're right about that. It seems really crazy. Yeah. And so people say, oh, crazy. This makes no fucking sense, right? You're wrong. Easy to just go, you're making it up. This dude's been saying the same shit for 30 years. Identically, he hasn't changed anything. Nothing's changed. And again, I go back to that hand thing and 20-30 years later he goes. That's the thing I told you about 30. Years ago they showed him the picture. He had been talking about it and he's like, like, look like, it's almost like I would think I would be going fucking crazy. Yes. Right. Nobody's believing me. Then he finally sees he's like, there's vindication, but like, at what fucking point? Like, Yep, like 30 years later. Cool, now you know that I was telling the truth. Why didn't you fucking believe me? Sad, right?

19:26 Super sad. So I mentioned he's not the only person to have made these apparent claims. About 51 in 1996 on Sky TV, they produced a document. Document a document a documentary. Documentary. Documentary, thank you. Why can't I say that word about Area 51? And it was entitled Dreamland. Dream with the fishes. Dream with the fishes. So in that production, a 71 year old man claimed to be a former mechanical engineer at Area 51 who who not only interacted with this alien technology, but interacted directly with someone known only as J Rod and his Oh my God. I'm so freaked out.

20:19 His job was to build a simulator for the US pilots to train and fly a disc shaped craft under J Rod's supervision. So he has to build it and J Rod is. Helping supervising this build Well. J Rod came from a ship. Oh my God. He was actually we're going to talk about this in a second. He was actually in one of the crashes with three, two or three that I was this is where it was unclear two or three other ETS, OK and. He survived. He was the sole survivor. He. Was a survivor. OK.

21:02 So J Rod is also the person that told Bab about element 115. Wait, J Rod knows both Bob and our 'cause? They were. They were both working in in S4. Does what's the 71 year old's name? Well, let's we'll just call him 71 year. Old, Yeah, we'll call him 71 year old, so. He and Bob know each other. They do. What? They were working in this area, same area. I OK, OK, OK, OK. So. So who is J Rod? Who fucking is J Rod? Who the hell is J Rod and what kind of name is J Rod? We're not talking what, Like, like what isn't it? Oh, a rod.

21:46 Yeah, yeah. Not a rod. J Rod. He's he's he's a Rod's cousin. J Rod. All right now. So now all these claims made by Lazar are clearly everyone's tagging them as absurd as no one has ever heard of, had any knowledge of or seen anything in our table around element 5115. Like stop making shit up, Bob. Right. So we had discovered, like I said, US brilliant humans who know everything have discovered all the possible elements. We know everything. It's already been found out.

22:28 So God. Shut up Bob. So they were giving Bob the. Wow. Crazy. You're crazy, girl. Poor Bob. Poor Bob, man. So in 2003, Bob got some vindication and increase credibility when this elusive element was actually synthesized by Russian scientists. They actually created element 115. What? And they dubbed them as a moscovium based on the city where? It was Moscow, yeah. Exactly. And then 12 years after that achievement, the discovery, the discovery of element 115 was finally confirmed after numerous tests which verified its existence and temporarily they named it Unimpinium, which is a based on some Latin or Greek word for the atomic number 115 Unimpinium. We're not going to call it element 115 because Bob already came out and like, he kind of ruined our fucking party. Yeah, it's something totally different, like the same thing in Latin.

23:41 So now, but the scientists version of 115 just differs drastically from what Bob described since according to the reports as the element decays in less than a second and therefore can't be used for anything. I mean, if an element decays in less than a second, how can you fucking fly a ship with? It right, right. So clearly it's different. Yeah. But we're going to go into a little science now so we can kind of prepare ourselves to understand element 115 a little. Bit get your thinking caps on. OK, so in case you forgot your high school chemistry, there's a quick refresher. An element's atomic number is the number of protons it contains in its nucleus.

24:31 So the heaviest element in nature, in our in our nature is uranium, which has 92 protons, element 92. But heavier elements which have more protons in their nucleus, those can be created through nuclear fusion. Fusion, yes, OK. Now the way you make new elements is by shooting a beam of an element at another element and then you making them directly collide. Yes. All right. Now, in this case, the researchers used what they call americium, which is an unstable radioactive element, and they fired calcium atoms, which are much, much lighter, and they fired that at this americeum. I think it's Americeum for weeks, months, they're doing this forever.

25:26 And most of the calcium atoms just bounced off. But every now and then an atom would hit it just right. So it would collide directly. And so instead of bouncing off, it literally collide and it stuck to this element. And when that happened, you got this short lived atom with more protons in its nucleus, which is the center of this new element. 115 OK, so how did they know it created the new element if it only existed for less than a second? So they they look at what they call DK products, OK? And they look for these telltale signs of 115 when it disintegrates by what they call alpha particle emissions.

26:06 Now, I don't expect anybody to remember all of this, but this is just to kind of help you understand how they're getting there, OK? All right. And then when they see enough of those signals, they can say with high probability that they've formed this new element. Now, it took years for researchers to work out these details about what they're now calling unimpinium. And it wasn't until 2018 that a Berkeley Lab scientist figured out that the elements mass, or the atomic weight, which is the total number of protons and neutrons an atom, was 288, now 288. That is way heavy. Yeah, it's super heavy. Like if the heaviest one we had is 92 and this is 288, I mean, that's off the charts.

26:54 Now to nab that number, they repeated this process that the first discoveries used to pin down the element. So in doing so, they managed to produce roughly one atom of unanpinium a day. And that atom was captured in an instrument they called Fiona. And if anyone cares, it's called for the identification of nucleide A. That's what. Fiona. Stands for. I mean, makes no sense to us, but yeah. Works for them. So which to the untrained eye in their microscope looks like a little metal bank vault is what they call it. Like so this is. A little bank vault. Now it also shares a commonality to plutonium which is being tested as a propulsion element like rocket fuel.

27:40 OK, So now we kind of a little bit more understand about 1:15 and knowing that we produce it, it lasts less than a second and that its weight couldn't really be sustained. It's so unbelievably heavy. I think we can safely say element 115, of which they have samples of, could not possibly have been created on Earth. No, no, not not using any of the technology that we know, right, because we can't sustain it or or hold on to it for long enough. That's right. Using EU using like what you're saying, like the the means that we're trying to create this out these elements. That's right.

28:26 It's not sustainable. There's no way. So according to Bob, these crafts, these crafts were made out of one single piece. There was no joints, there was no whale. So it's almost as if. One piece of material, like one piece of metal. It occurred. Imagine occurring naturally in the world. Imagine having this huge boulder and you carve out of it. You carve a shape out of this boulder that and that's your ship. It just happens to be that this material is element 115.

29:09 So it's as if this material occurs naturally on whatever planet this is from. It's it's, it's sustainable there. Maybe they have unbelievably heavy gravity. Maybe they have unbelievably no gravity. I mean, I don't, I'm not scientist, so I can't tell you which it would be. But this conditions are right for this particular element, right? And again, the fact that there is no welding points in these ships like a zero none. Now I suppose you could probably say a lot of times they Weld metal here on Earth and you can, you can't see a joint. But I think when you ask for X-ray it and stuff, I think you can see those. You can tell that they've been joined. They did all of that.

29:52 There was no. Joint they they did all the things that that they typically do, like, like, OK, you're looking like King Tut. OK, King Tut is a mummy. How many? You know, they found out that he had a club foot and all this other stuff just by putting it through an MRI machine. So I'm assuming that's what they did with this to try to find out like, OK, where's the joints? Like how did they Weld it together? Maybe it's like a really fine Weld. Maybe it's like, I don't know, fucking stone or something. And it's just like really done well, but there's nothing. So I mean, is that is that Bob's guess that that it's something that that is more like carved from stone?

30:36 Well, he had to. That was his deduction based upon all he knows about everything we just talked about, right? And so that's how he, he deduced that it, it must have been a single piece, unless there's some technology we're just unaware of, of course, but that was his deduction. Bob stated that the fuel rods were cut out of shapes of triangular discs about the size of a silver dollar. So and I, if you look on the Internet and you search for element 115, you'll see people that have tried to simulate what they think it would look like, you know, based on descriptions and it looks like a little triangular silver dollar. What?

31:22 That's crazy, yeah. It's very safe to handle. That was as it was the lowest level of alpha particle he had ever measured in anything. And he said there was some sort of a coating over it that was a copper color. So then the question becomes, well, so how did Bob know? I mean, what made him call it element 115? Like how did he like how did this I mean, how he. Already have a vocabulary because.

32:02 He wasn't creating it at this point in time when no one, because this wasn't until 2000s that we were able to actually do this. To actually do it, yeah, but but it seems to me like they they already had a vocabulary around it because come on, he fucking talked to J Rod. That's exactly how we found out about one element 115 was J Rod. J Rod was telling him all about this stuff. What the fuck? Now, have you heard of J Rod before? OK, OK, so I know a couple of things about J Rod that I I knew that they had him that he was very sick right while he was here. So he was in that he I don't know what the fuck he was they them whatever you know, the ET J Rod was very sick and didn't come out of the the crash unscathed.

32:58 So, so they were really hurt and, and the the way like, I don't know what it is, some kind, whatever our environment is, we can't really feed him properly or sustain his his body for a long period of time. Exactly. So there did, there were, there didn't. They had to make some accommodations to to sustain him and he they kept him in captivity for like 50 years. Shut up, I only thought it was a couple of years. No, no, no. What? Yes. Good. Long time. Shut up. Uh huh. Oh my God. Right. We've had an alien living here for 50 fucking years. Yeah, no wonder why Bob knows all this shit from fucking good old J Rod.

33:49 Well, and he's not the only one right 'cause we'd heard about Mr. 71 year Old. So have you ever heard of a guy named Doctor Dan Burisch? No, I haven't. So he's a, a microbiologist and he defines he has some involvement, which I'm still trying to piece together how he's involved in all of this. But I think he has a real some there's there's some real connection between him and Bob and this Doctor Danbury. She defines an ET as a real person, a person from the future with a genome similar to humans.

34:34 Is what an ETA? Person from the future. Right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, wait, I have a question because what you just said makes makes me really fucking freaked out, dude. OK, OK, OK. So a they have the same genome as we do. Same genome? Well, the genome is similar to humans. To humans from the future. There's an evolution happening. Exactly. Yes. So that's what we're supposed to be. Yes, that's what we're going to be. Yes. No. That's what we're gonna evolve. Too. No, no, dude, I can't.

35:14 I cannot. Well, you're not. I'm so freaked out about this. Well, it it's gonna OK, Yeah, you can be freaked out. I am so scared. Don't be scared. So wait a second, ET is basically future humans? In a nutshell, yes. And aliens being they're from a completely different solar system with 0 genome relation to the human race. That's what he defines the difference between ETS and aliens. So ETS are still from our same solar. System, same, yeah, same genome or similar genomes. Where as an alien would be like, it would be like on Star Trek, like you have like they, you know, the BLOB that floats down the hall and talks to you.

35:59 Hey, Bob, the floating BLOB. Yeah, he would be an alien. Right. Yeah, OK. So. In I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight, am I? Yes, you are. So in Kingman, AZ in 53 there was a. Crash, yeah. 3 beings, two were taken to Los Alamos, 1 was taken to S4. Why would they? Why would they split them up? Good question. Who knows? 'Cause they're fucking asshole. 'Cause they're idiots. And and because the government does not talk to each other, so CIA is probably like, well, we get one after I was like, well, I want one too. It's like, can't you just fucking talk to each other and stop being little bitches? Right, Exactly.

36:43 Sorry, go ahead. You deserve that outburst. J Rod was the one taken to S4. Now J Rod is an alien. I'm sorry. Excuse me an. ET. He is a humanoid now. According to J Rod, he is from almost 53 a thousand years in the future. 53,000 years in the future. So imagine evolution over 53,000 years could be pretty significant. Yes, absolutely. And he looks and that's and looks different again through physical evolution. Does he look like a little Green Man? He's.

37:26 No, he looks like the Gray man. Kind of looks like the the Gray, you know, the kind of triangular shaped eye with the big with the. Oh my God, yeah. The big black bug eyes. Oh. Freak me out, dude. Oh my God. OK, that's our SO. So there's a guy named C Ronald Gardner who has had a number of interviews and writings, countless papers on J Rod and he has done extensive interviews with Doctor Bursch. And so in short, J Rod is an ET who was intentionally sent to Earth a sort of what they say is some sort sort of sacrificial lamb in order to work in conjunction with the humans to develop cures to ailments in both races. Now he says that J Rod actually had a neuropathy disease himself, which is one of the reasons he was selected on this particular mission.

38:27 He was ultimately the prisoner that they took to S4 and was kept separate from not only his own beings 'cause they took him, you know, to the, to the other base, but he had very limited number of humans that he was to work with. He also had to breathe 5% more hydrogen than we have in our atmosphere. So he they had to put him in a room that had 5% more hydrogen in order for him to breathe properly. OK, so per Mr. Garner, J Rod was 15 light years from planet Earth. That's where his civilization. So.

39:11 Not. On. Earth. Not on Earth, thank. God. OK, that's not. Nice. So his real name was I. It's hard to hear understand this interview. It's almost like Kal L and I'm like Kal L. It's like Superman. Oh yeah. Yeah, but it was something similar to that. And that makes me wonder when the whoever wrote Superman. I wonder if that's how they got his name. Oh my gosh, what if J Rod's like, hey, by the way, here's like my kryptonite I. Just bring the writer knew about this somehow and. You never know. Well, well, I mean, OK, so here's the question. He was specifically sent on onto planet Earth to help with whatever kind of disease. Medical.

39:56 Medical stuff? How? How long had he been here? Right. Like how many people he crashed? Oh, he had crashed straight away. Yes, they caught him right after he crashed. OK, so he hadn't been here before that he was just. Coming in. OK. And what kind of medical stuff was he supposed to be helping with? Well, so he had that ailment, that neuropathy. And so I, I didn't hear in this interview specifically what he was supposed to do on, but it was just to kind of help in some sort of a, of research for medical ailments in general. That's what I know. So in 1953, the military unit, the military has a unit and they call this military unit Sigma Unit. Now the, the purpose of the Sigma unit is they're they're nothing but linguists and psychologists, the Sigma unit. And so their responsibility is to communicate with aliens. It's like Lieutenant Lahura.

41:01 Yeah, yeah, right. So she's the one that's kind of a translator between everybody, and she understands language well enough to kind of help figure what they're saying. So that's the point of Sigma Unit. And so the Sigma unit asks at the time they didn't, or I'm saying J Rod, we didn't know who he was at the time. They're asking him where is he from? And they say that he points to the 10th letter on the keyboard, which was AJ and this Egyptian symbol that looks like a bar or a rod, which actually represents the number 5. And so through all this translation and such, they determine his home base is Zeda Riculi, which is 15 light years from Earth. They figured that's they figured out that's where he's he's from. And so hence his name becomes J Rod. That makes sense.

41:49 Now this location, by the way, it's corroborated in another event and I don't know if you've heard of the Betty. And Barney Hill incident. Have you heard of that? Fuck yeah, I have. If you're listening right now, you definitely have to. And if you haven't, we will be talking about it. It's on the list. When they put her under hypnosis, I, I don't know exactly how it worked, but she directed them. I think it's through a model or something to Zeta Reticuli. She she said that's where the event, that's where it was taken. Yeah, taken.

42:32 Yeah, and fuck. Yeah, so it there was a so this is. Not the first fucking time. That right exactly. When did they? What year did they? Catch, not catch. Well, I guess kind of J Rod. Poor J Rod. Poor boy I know. In 19. 50 Wait, I said it before. Yeah, in Kingman. Where's my notes? I think it was 54. Yes, in Kingman 50, damn it. I hate when I do doesn't. Matter, 5353. OK, OK, gotcha. All right. Oh my God, he just died in 2013 or 22,003 huh? Yeah, I think so. Wow, OK. So that connection.

43:16 So that's one of the things. So it's that kind of stuff where you're like bullshit, No, no, it's too many like. There's too many connections. Yes, too many people. Saying the same. Thing repeatedly, yes. And it's, I guess we said it's easy. To go bullshit. Right. Oh, so easy. So easy to say. Bullshit. But you just, I got to keep an open mind, like we say at the top of the show every single episode, because there are patterns. You can't like, you can say like, OK, that's just like a random weather pattern or whatever. Like that's fine. But like if people are saying the same stuff and they've been saying it for years and years, like maybe there is something to it, right?

44:03 Like maybe this area is a place where there is fucking life, you know, that we know of. And, you know, just the fact that like, you know, Betty and Barney Hill, Betty Hill had come out and, you know, had talked about it under hypnosis. And then we have a fucking straight up alien in our fucking midsts that says, oh, yeah, this is exactly where I'm I'm from through like through this. By the way, that was one thing I was going to ask about. Like, so you said that this translation, like these folks were able to like establish communication with him. Did they learn his language or?

44:43 I never got yet. I never. Really got any answers to that that I felt or not plausible that I felt comfortable going? Yeah, for sure. Right. This. Is what? Happened right? But they were able to communicate like I what? I gather is that, like with anything, if you go lived in Japan for 10 years, you're going to learn how to speak for sure. Yeah. So I I feel like it's the. Same concept. Yeah, I think I I feel like it was a spoken language. What I. Heard right. So crazy. Here's a question I have for you in like for, I don't know conspiracy, but. If we had.

45:29 Element 115 in its stable form. We know that it is a. Power source. It could be infinite. I don't don't know. I don't know if it ever runs out. Yeah, yeah, that would change the fucking world, Yeah. Yeah, it would. Change the world, yeah. I mean, energy right now is the we. Currently have access to it. Right. Not like like we can create it, but like if these aliens had it. Yeah, we have. They have the ship, right? Yeah.

46:09 I don't know if you could. Yeah, I don't know what I don't know, but energy is the weak link in in, in our world because technology grows and grows and grows at a pace that we can't even keep up with. And energy is always the thing that tries to keep up. Yes, right. Yeah, that's. True. So if you had that somehow. Can manipulate gravity makeshift fly without fuel right? That would change the world. It would totally. Change the world. It would change the world, yes, but there are a lot of people who would lose out on that change.

46:54 So the question becomes. Do we? Have it if you're asking me. The conspiracy theorist in me says fuck yeah, of course we do. My Excel bill just fucking went out up by double right. Yeah, our power in Colorado is XL. You're going to shit yourself. Mine was 600. Dollars. Oh, ours is 400. Yeah, that is. Bullshit. Who can live like that during like Oh. People are just wearing more than one layer inside their house. Like we're, we're in 2023 right now and it's like, well, fuck.

47:35 Like we're wearing more than one layer of clothing because these, you know, these monopolies, utility monopolies can kind of just say whatever the fuck numbers they want to say and charge us. And what would happen if, when, When? Element 115 or some fusion energy that we can control creates some infinite power. Then what they do, they'd be F they'd be screwed, yeah. They'd be screwed and they'd say, Oh well, we need to redo our infrastructure, the whole infrastructure. It's like, no, we fucking don't. You're just greedy motherfuckers and there's no reason for you to have this much money. It's, I mean if you're asking me specifically, it would not surprise me if we do have access to cleaner, cheaper ways of especially if we've been helped. Sorry, especially if the government has that interaction with people that have or ETS that have this knowledge, right I.

48:36 Mean you can't tell me one how much has technology just fucking jumped? God, I know since the 19. 50s Let's just. Talk about the 1950s. You remember how, like, you'd see pictures of calculators, like basic computer systems. They were rooms. They were rooms of like, of of what are those called? Like vacuum? Fucking yeah. The vacuum tubes. Tubes and the. Tapes and. Tapes like. So. Huge now what like I have AI, have a we have phones that are a huge computer. I have a fucking watch does the same thing, like yeah, you have a yeah, that little thing on. Your wrist. Yeah, I can talk. To it, I you can follow me like on my hikes and knows exactly how how high I go.

49:21 I mean, Big Brother, but whatever. Like, yeah, I mean, the fact that within, you know what, 70 years we've moved so quickly, like as far as our technology's gone, I don't call me crazy. I don't fucking care. But like, I don't think that is a coincidence. We've had extraterrestrial, extraterrestrial. Thank you, Dan. Dan Bersch had extraterrestrials who have said, hey, here's here's how we. But it's like the thing that's infuriating to me is rather than helping humanity, which right, like the star.

50:04 Trek. Fucking alum I am. I want to see that we are helping humanity move forward. I that doesn't that doesn't create. Profits. It doesn't create profits. It doesn't create a, you know, good marketing strategy or dumb people, right? Like so you know, how can you control people by having a stupid and, you know, pretty vegetative population, like people who are just so set in their own ways, you don't give them the ability to not work anymore and like pursue knowledge or like, you know, not have to pay a shit load for fucking energy that there's no reason for us to pay that fucking much.

50:49 Like the conspiracy is what's the bigger conspiracy, that there was a fucking alien who came onto this, you know, Earth and told us, like all this technology or that the government is fucking holding all of that technology back to keep us in the fucking Stone Age, right? I mean, the fact that we're getting fucked by the man, like, not cool. We didn't ask. It was not consensual. OK, Right. Yeah. We. Did not. Consent in that, you know, not OK. I, I, I think that it's really interesting that I, I totally believe in short, I was not short answer, but I believe we do have access to fucking element 115. There's no reason for, for the government or for anyone to, to actually make it available worldwide. You know what would make it available? Fucking ET or not ET.

51:54 An alien race comes over and tries taking over a fucking planet. That's the only. Way things would actually change. Totally, of course. Only. Only by threat. So did you have You did? You hear what happened in December, so you know that we had of 2022 of. 2022. So you know the atomic bomb is a fusion, but it's uncontrolled. Yes, they actually. Controlled. It yes milliseconds, but they. Did. Yes and created more energy that they that they'd input yes, so more. Energy was created than than than what they used, which is has never been the case right and normally takes massive amounts of energy. This is the first time they got more out. They had more.

52:41 Out which is. Why, You know, nuclear power isn't necessarily a thing, right? And things aside from Springfield, right? So this fusion is. Exciting. Super fucking. Exciting, do you the machine that makes? It is the size of a stadium, right? Wait it. Wasn't it done? And it's like that big? Yeah. Yeah, like. All of this fucking output, it's so insane. God and I only. Mentioned that because. I don't know why I mentioned it because. Because perhaps it's tied. Yeah.

53:22 Maybe in some way these things have. Contributed to getting. There or I don't know, I don't know, but it's it's time to fucking pull back the curtain. I totally agree. Well, I mean, technically, like we are starting, you know, I'm not on the side of anyone. I'm on the side of humanity. But you know, the government is saying, hey, look, we know there's something we can't explain out there. If you have been a pilot and you've seen something fucking weird, talk to us. We want to hear the stories. We don't know what it is.

54:04 We can't. Is it little green men? We don't know. We're not saying we know, but we definitely don't know everything. I think that's a move in the right direction. I think that often times we downplay humanity and say that that humans can't take knowledge beyond like what is being like dulled to us like little baby birds or whatever. It's I, I don't think that's true, but I think that there's a definite control of the narrative clearly by. By. Whomever is powerful to try to hold on to that power or to that control, because when you let the, when you pull back the curtain, you don't know what's going to happen. You don't.

54:54 There's no you. Don't. You don't, but you. Can't I? You just can't move forward. I mean, you keep everything in secret like that and it's you get to choose when it moves. Forward. You get to yeah, you control like. You said the narrative. They're controlling the narrative so that that's my story. There's so many questions. I. Have Oh my God, it just opens the doors. To so much. I mean, I could feel like I could talk about J Rod all day long. I mean, I think that's fast. That's fascinating. Yeah, I mean, being is. Fascinating that. Being is fascinating the. Fact that I know so fucking little, so little. We had 50 years and I'm assuming he's communicating throughout all of those 50 years. Totally.

55:40 So why don't we know more exactly where the medical information is? What is that? Information What what, what what? What was that 50 years? Why has cancer not been cured? Why do we still? Have diseases Why did. Fucking COVID come. Maybe that's part of the whole thing. Seriously. I mean, fuck, dude, that is like so fascinating. Yeah, so. Yeah, this whole travelling. So the yeah, this race is they, they they're, they're they're, they're time travellers. So they're a time travelling. Race Yeah, did. I mean who? Knows. Who knows? I I don't know why I. Don't know they're in game.

56:23 I don't know. Are they like the Watchers? So like they're time travellers and they're trying to help, you know, existence in this universe. If they used to, if they're time travellers, then they. Know. They know the path of. The past So would you like to invite them to our. Podcast J Rod and the time travelers so long as you guys only if you have good intentions yes exactly you can totally be sitting next to us right here you don't have. To like. To be shown if you don't want to, we can try to find an oxygen tent where you're only in hydrogen or whatever. I would totally make whatever.

57:03 Whatever. I mean, if there's something. Could happen. We could. It could happen. I'll make it happen. But friends of J Rod, we're here Totally. Yeah. If. If. You're listening to this transmission. Can we be friends of J Rod? That should be a new hashtag. Hashtag Friends of J Rod. Yeah, Nice. Awesome, that would. Be awesome. Put that on our little. When you tweet about this episode, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's there. Friends of J Rod. Yeah, Absolutely. All right. Well, cool. Well, thanks for listening and. Gosh, thank you for that. Like I said, we. Could go on for years and. Years and we might you know we might bring this back up again if we get some definitely juice or if you guys have. Any juice? Fucking send it to us. Or maybe Friends of J Rod wants to. Join Yes, we'll total do it.

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