The 27 Club

0:01 Hello, bizarre, story friends. If you're listening right now, you're tuned into the bizarre AF, where we talked about the strange, the Absurd, the unknown, all things bizarre AF, I'm Alicia your host for today's episode and like, always, we ask that you keep an open mind, keep a skeptical ear, but keep on listening to the facts. As we take you, on our newest Journey, the 27 Club, Oh, hey, my co-host with the most across could ever ask for. Are you Kevin?

1:05 I was pretty pretty. Abrupt. Holy shit. Okay, guys are getting into this. How are you doing? Bruce, I'm good. How are you good? Yeah, I'm good. I'm feeling we. It's been a little bit chillier here. So you're looking a little rock and roll Little Rock and Roll. Yeah, I got my leather jacket on. Ready to talk about some Bizarre AF shit and get a little funky yesterday. So today I'm actually I'm here to talk about a club that has a high cover charge Kevin. Uh-huh. How do you feel about paying you know just a little bit to get into I don't mind paying a little bit. How much would you pay like to get into a hot club? Yeah, club.

1:50 Hmm, maybe 50 bucks? Hmm. 50. Yeah, that's super know. Like, if it was like, like I could probably go as high as 100 or to dip. If it was like, you know, something really fancy Dancy like one. If it was once in a lifetime thing, you know, maybe more. Okay, A little more, a little bit more, okay. But not probably not much more than that, okay? So I'm gonna try to entice you, okay? So if you could set the mood for me, just a little bit. Oh, my play. Should we go into a bar? Yeah, let's go into a bar.

2:31 We're actually this bar is filled with some of the most talented singers musicians artists, actors models. You know, we're talking to Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain Jean-Michel Basquiat. Yes, Sahara Davenport. Yeah, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, you know, the real creme de la ERM. I'm making my rounds through the club and make your rounds. You can be around them. Bumping shoulders in their midst. All you have to pay. Yes, is your life?

3:11 But that's a little excessive. Yeah, it's a little excessive, I don't know. That, would it be worth it? I mean, you know, we are in the cooler downtown area of our bizarre AF world. And it's, that's where it's located. I thought that, you know, we could maybe get down to the bottom of it decide whether or not we wanted to be a part of it. Well, actually, I hate to break it to you, Kevin, but I don't think that we're able to get in Actually, was not dead. The ability to get her and I said, well, well, that up among some other some other reasons, but let me, I forgot to do though. What about this really quick?

3:53 Yeah, do it. We're doing a little bit. Yeah, we're just meant a little adjusting. When you said all, it was gonna cost was your life. Should have went good. Let's try it again. Okay. So all it's going to cost you. Yes. Uh-huh. Your life. So you know this 27. They're all right, I gotta get you back in there. Okay. So um, have you heard of this club that we're in know? He is very now. This is bizarre, it's pretty bizarre.

4:34 Yeah, all of those all those Those things those people have. And how am I going to be in a party with all of those people at the same time? Well, I mean you could you could have been but I think we're well past our prime age to get in here. Yeah. Unfortunately this is the problem. That's the problem. That's really the problem. Maybe the part that's bizarre. It's part of the part that's bizarre for sure. And actually you know, this we can't become a part of it, but the 27 club was actually initially coined in the 1970s and was after something. Miss musicians, had passed away at the age of 27. We're talking two years of 1969 to 1971. You may know some of the names, okay?

5:15 So these three happened like really, really short period of time from each other, we have Jimi Hendrix in 1970, okay? Janice Joplin 1970, Jim Morrison 1970, all of them seventy, okay, in 70, they all died at the age of 27. So everyone so they were all 327 in 1970. Yes, actually. I think one of them was 1969, but yes, within that short period of time. I was really 1969 to 1971. There's a couple of other people that aren't as well known. Okay. But all of them died within those years. So a real 27 years old, I'm 27 years old, there those are some big names and they're really ones that caused people to ask that question. Like what the fuck?

6:00 Yeah, why 27, right? Why is it that so many talented people? You know who really have a finger on the pulse of our culture of the cultural phenomenon at that time, how could they pass at such a young age under somewhat mysterious circumstances? You know, when that happens and something like this is occurring. You know, it's kind of like where where there is smoke? What is there? Hmm, hyah. Yeah. By. Ah, so you know some years went by the 27 club was kind of You know, forgotten and that's until April 5th 1994 24 years. After the murmurings of this fateful Club, it's Seattle Washington.

6:46 And the club has brought in its newest member Kurt, Cobain oh he was also 27. Yeah well I just 27 years old uh-huh. Okay so if you live under a rock you know or hate music or Domino, chiefly lifts, listen to fucking pokers. You probably don't know who Kurt Cobain is so Kevin. I know that you're none of those things. Who can you tell us who Kurt Cobain? Yes, he was part of Nirvana and I have to tell you I actually had kind of crushed on him a little bit because he'll actually looks like my first boyfriend that I really was serious about twinsies. Oh my gosh you got a hot first boyfriend so who's the lead singer of Nirvana? Yeah.

7:33 And No, Nirvana was ultimately, you know, one of the best bands, biggest bands of the 1990s and, you know, we're really going to. Can you hear that? Oh my God, your Leathers cracking, totally cracking, that means, it's good. Thanks thing. Anyways, you know, there are also the best-selling, so they were selling out Arenas. And, and I feel like they got, ya popular, very, very fast. I feels like neck. Think I'm sure they were doing all of those little Shitty gigs and those kind of grungy bands were doing. But seems like, you know, when once you heard them like, they took the hell off. Yeah, they really took off Smells Like Teen Spirit like that whole album? Yeah, nevermind.

8:16 I think it was called. Yeah, big fucking huge. Huge. So it, you know, the crunch Rock world and namely Nirvana. They were all about the music, right? Like they're kind of punk, like screw the system, let's make music, that's honest, and good and means something and Is people off. Yeah, you know, anti-establishment people which I fucking love. Right. But they're like you're a coder. Yes. Yes, Aaron Schwartz. Yeah. The the coder who was anti-establishment like, fuck the system. We're going to try to screw people over. That's, you know, those grunge bands. A lot of them were kind of like that. They, you know, are anti-establishment, punk, rock. Well, you know grunge Rock whatever, but but still that idea is like be true to the music beat. True to who you are and you know, they're not about making bigwigs massive amounts of money. Right.

9:12 You know, playing these stadium shows that you know, Nirvana's playing and selling for the masses. What is that called? It's fucking called selling out, dude. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know, do you really want to do that? No, that's the antithesis of, you know, of grunge, exact Kurt Cobain, you know, stood for his music. So, you know, I was saying is like the biggest band in the world really was the Band in the world and you find, you know, Kurt dead at 27 years old. His mother, Wendy friedenberg Cobain O'Connor was actually quoted in the Aberdeen, Washington Newspaper saying. Now, he's gone and joined that stupid Club. I told him not to join that stupid Club So I knew about it. I mean, I guess in the Rock and I guess in the musicians world, you know, about it, he's our, do you think, oh my God, could you imagine?

10:03 And if you're real famous and you're like, oh God, IMA turn 27 next year. Mmm, like fuck and Emma is this is this me? What is this? Doom going to happen? Gonna befall me, like, like the fucking grim reapers gonna come on in, right? And especially when you have like such a talented person. You're like, how the hell this person's? Like, on top of the world. How is it that? No, he succumbs to this club, the world's really asking it to make sense. How do you make sense of it? How could a famous guy at the top? At the top of his, his game professionally, you know, die by suicide. Because that's because everybody has every human can have problems, right?

10:43 Every human can have problems, but it's like he, you know, the question is like, you know, he got everything he wanted, right. So he had his fancy had ridiculous album sales He was performing all over the world, you know, being able to do what he loves and he's, you know, gifted how the hell does he, you know, die by Suicide. It doesn't make sense. Do you remember hearing about Kurt Cobain's passing? Yeah, I don't remember deed, I guess. I don't remember anything specific about it. I remember it happening and being completely shocked by its sure but I don't remember any of the details. Yeah, about how it happened. Or Any of that everyone was shocked. Like they, like they literally were at the top of their game, you know.

11:30 Ultimately, I would be remiss to say that. Like there aren't that. There are a lot of theories that go along with Kurt Cobain's death, but that's really not our topic at hand to discussing that is not what we're talking about today, but I can tell you the facts of his death. So Kurt was actually at his home in Seattle, Washington on, June 5th with a shotgun that was purchased by his And because Kurt was nervous that the guns would be would be taken by authorities. So who's found dead April, a three days after he had killed himself by a man that had an appointment to set up like security lights at his home. So the fucking biggest rock star in the world sitting alone dead and his house for three fucking days.

12:14 So he was asking someone for firearms. He had he had asked a friend to purchase a gun for him. Hmm. And he had had guns in the past. East. But they had been on. See, I know hindsight's 20/20 and it's easy, just to say things after the fact, but I like you viewed, it seems like if you would have a famous friend that famous musician asking for firearms, wouldn't you be like, what's what? Yeah, what the fuck is going on? Although it's easy to say, because when you have celebrities like that asking for thinking, you know, we probably don't question them, right, right? Like, they're, you know, you're talking about like who's like, who's someone similar today? Like, I don't know, Harry Styles, or something like that. Harry Styles is your, you know, friend and you're having him you know, ask you to buy something. You're like people don't say no.

12:59 Yeah. You're like cool. Like you're the fucking cool. Well, I don't know Harry. So I don't know if that's a relevant like but like you have him like sitting there, you know, asking you to buy something or like fuck? Yeah, of course. I'll do that. Yeah. Like, you're super cool, you know, ultimately, you know, you have something that, you know, seemingly, you know, meaningless like how is that? Someone can die so suddenly Yeah. And you know just really be plucked away from this world it's not meaningful didn't see meaningful. Maybe he was selected, you know, people are talking about this 27 Club, perhaps he was selected to become a member of it and that in fact is our topic today. And yeah, so I that is interesting soon.

13:41 Here's so I don't want to get. Yeah. Let me just say that you can make patterns out of anything. Hmm. And kind of like the other thing you know, when you say so But he's always die in three. Yeah, the well, but there's a lot of people in the world and three people that, you know, could probably die, right? That's how. I mean, I guess it's really weird that they're all 27. That's a weird and random. It seems like it's statistically significant right house seem like it, but are we trying to just find a pattern in something that this is really a pattern? I mean, that's a really good question. I think when, when something tragic like a death that happens to someone who's Young, And has like the rest of their lives, are on top of the world, they have the rest their lives to, you know, to, you know, really continue to make waves in the music world, or the artistic world, or in the World At Large. It seems like it's such a tragic loss that people are truly trying to make sense of it.

14:40 And I think, by saying that their members of the 27 Club are saying that there is some kind of significance behind their death. I think it creates meaning. Yeah. Ultimately right, yes. Right. And and okay, yeah, which is okay. And like in the question is, is like, is there actually statistical significance? We'll get into that. Okay, so so ultimately, the 27 club didn't really have any very well-known members that made waves until July 23rd 2011 and the newest member was received Amy, Amy Winehouse. Yeah, she had actually voiced her concerns about becoming a member of the 27 years, three years earlier. Yeah, that's what I was saying before. Like, if your health is famous musician and you're not yet 27 and you know about it, I would be petrified. Yeah, she and she was like, I really don't want to die. Like those were some of our last words like to the last, like recorded words to her doctor was like I don't want to die and then she was found less than 24 hours later dead, you know. It's it was she was actually she Found in her bed, unresponsive by her security guard, or her bodyguard that afternoon. Like, 3:00 in the afternoon, you know, Amy Winehouse, Soulful eclectic.

16:03 I don't know what would you what would you? How would you describe Amy eclectic? Yeah. Classic Soulful. She kind of brought Jazz back. Yeah yeah. She's actually a retro pop kind of sounds like she had her old soul. Yes, totally shoot that. That one really hurt me. I fucking loved. Amy. My house and I still like, actually she was like in my top five artists that I've listened to on Spotify your playback. I just totally. Yeah. So for the year, which was all over the charts, like, as musically, but also in the tabloids right? For her erratic Behavior. So when people started to look at this 27 Club, they were really like you know, bringing up the idea of this statistical significance, right? All of these people are, you know, And they seem to be dying there at the height of their career. What the fuck is going on?

16:59 We can look back, right? Because, because just like you were saying, people are looking back into time and saying, oh my gosh! Look at all of these other people who have died at 27 years old and have been huge in the Music Arts scene. What the fuck is going on, right? So there's actually a study done in 2011, December of 2011, And right after Amy had died, right? She died in was it July? So they did a study. In, in 2011, it was actually published in the British medical journal by University academics and they were trying to decide like what the fuck like is this actually statistically significant. So they studied and looked at every everyone who had died that was of, you know, had had like a number one hits on the top or not number one, but like a top 100 hits. And the UK charts and they found that there is really not a significant increase in death, in the risk for death for musicians at the age of 27.

18:05 There's actually equally small increases small increases at 27 at ages 25 and ages 32. So it's just as significant to die at 25 and 30 so you can say the 25 caliber 30 to close right right now or the 27, 35 32 covers are 25 32 clever, right? You just add it all together. So, you know, it really noted that young adult musicians have a higher death rate than the general young adult population they do. They are more susceptible to die earlier. So, you know, ultimately, what was what they had discovered was that they may increase the risk of death among musicians, but this risk is not limited to age 27, you know?

18:50 So sure it's not. It's that there was like there. Note that they had. So ultimately a 2014 article. The conversation actually, suggested the statistical evidence shows popular. Musicians are most likely to die at age 56 my God. So it's just point because it's because their livers are finally giving out right? All the hard hard years of like drinking and drug use they're like okay now it's time for like a stroke and death, right? Like you have really run and yet you know people like Mick Jagger Jagger and fucking, you know, Steven, Tyler are still rocking the Earth. How the hell? Anyway, so 56. So that's 22.2.

19:32 Percent more. Significant at 56% are 56 years old, compared to 1.3 percent more like significant, like statistically significant to die at 27. So so really, you know, maybe it should be the 56 Club Studio. Sex, you know, anyways, you know, death at 27, I think, the reason why it keeps on coming up is death at 27 is not. It's never due to natural causes, right, right. Nobody's gonna be like, oh, I died in my sleep. Yeah, it's real. Cause is right. And so, the list of 27 club members is long and it very slightly. So some deaths have occurred due to cancer, like, Jane goodie. This was a person like a reality Stone show star in the UK, but some of them are auto accidents and others like, you know, freak accidents.

20:27 Really like Anton Yelchin from the Star Wars franchise? Yeah. Live long and prosper anyway, but the majority are really due to addiction and depression. That's why these people are dying at 27, right? Like you were saying like we all have demons yes Rivals, which is, that was part of the problem, remember that quote? And it seems like The rich and the famous have. Way easier access to that, right to draw. I was gonna say, no, we're having will get what you need and so fueling. Those demons money is a little easier to do. Yeah, it's way easier, right?

21:08 It's easier because you have such a also think about their schedules, right? So they're like performing at night and stuff. I don't really have like a normal fucking daytime scheduled daytime job. It's kind of like a CD. ER, you know, the music industry is a superior like place, right? Is yeah. So you said remember that quote? Yeah, that Kurt Cobain's. Mom had said, right? Yes. Yeah, so it was now he's gone and joined that stupid Club. Yeah. Told him not to join that club. So people grasped onto this hearing her say this, and that article and they were like, okay, Miss Wendy has a fucking Smoking Gun, she knows the truth. Yeah, she did, she did know the fucking truth because Kurt Cobain had two uncles who died of suicide as well.

21:50 Her brothers died of suicide. So she wasn't talking about some kind of That like only the famous and like, you know, sexy rock stars become member know, there was an issue. Yeah, there's an ish that you know, it's depression that runs rampant in her fucking family. That's what she was talking about but people read into it as to being a different cause, right? Yeah. So I think that, you know, ultimately when we're talking about these folks like we think that the gift and I mean really talented few and a generation type folks who really change the culture the way that we're moving, like I we think that they're Larger than Life, Life. Right, hmm. They have something that we don't, you don't have, you don't have. I don't have like, we don't possess these things, which causes us to think that they kind of have a better grasp on on life and On The World At Large when really? They're just as human as you are I exactly. You know, exactly.

22:42 So you know, I seized Palin, talented people really have deep wounds like you were saying like, you know, baggage, you know, issues and that affect how they walk through life and what does it, what does like big Big issues and stuff like that, make. Really fucking good music. Exactly. That's right. It's like, it gives you a different point of view. Uh-huh. That's right. That's right. And the other thing is that, like I said, people have everyone has demons Rich and famous. It's more visible, right? You're living your life in front of everybody's face, right? You have no privacy. I am right? Exactly. I mean, I could have 12 family members going through the exact same thing, but it's just no one knows about it and they could three of them could have died at 27, right? Yeah, it's just that like this, you get this visibility around these poor people that have to deal with their Human Condition in front of everybody, everyone.

23:39 And and they don't have privacy and they have these crazy fucking Schedules, you know, I think that, you know, it makes wonderful music and art, but it would really be a detriment to say that these people are just a phenomenon or a statistic of the 27 club, right there, their normal way more, these right who have issues, you know, where I was. We were talking about those first three people who had joined the club where people are like, what the fuck, you know, Jimmy Janice and Jim. So you know she AJ. Did you just aah? That's another. 27 Club cry.

24:20 J. They have like they have different ones? Yeah. Triple J. Triple J. Like Triple Threat. They have like specific insignias when they walk into the club. That's a big old Jr.'s. Right. Exactly. So, do you know how they died? Let's see. Jimmy Janice. No you're not. So James I just assumed it was all excess but maybe right. Yeah. You assume because it's like the nineteen fucking 60s and like, free love. Everyone's doing drugs and shit because you know, Spirit experimental, blah, blah. So Jimi, Hendrix. You know, arguably one of the most one of the best like most talented guitar players that has ever guitard, you know, he had, he actually was plagued with we, I know him from that that space, right?

25:08 We know him as like, such an amazing talent people still talk about him. I, you know, we still listen to him, he's still relevant today, you know, and he had died in 1970. So that's fucking crazy anyway. We know about his guitar playing but he was plagued by parental abuse. So he had, he was incredibly abused as a child. He also had alcohol issues with alcohol and drugs probably due to that. So he Died from asphyxiation in the UK. After taking a massive amount of barbiturates actually like nine times what he was supposed to have taken. Yeah. So it's not like her boy to dies fixation. Yes, like yes.

25:51 Expectation on his own vomit. Ultimately like not glamorous, not hot, nothing cool. Or sexy or rock, and roll about that. It's just, you know, sad and too fucking depressing. So, but people are like, oh, so it's sexy, he's sexy, he's so talented, 27 Club. It's like know he had his demons that he couldn't, you know, fight. So then we have Janis Joplin, right? Absolute fucking Powerhouse of a performer. Like, you've heard her songs, like Mercedes-Benz, like piece of my heart. Like she, I mean, she has such a crazy awesome voice, right? She struggled with self-image and depression and she died of a heroin overdose and everyone's like sitting there.

26:33 But, you know, I was looking as I was like, reading about these I was like, oh, you know, how did they die? And there's always, like a caveat. Everyone always has a caveat like, well, you know, how do you know if she actually died from a heroin overdose? She was holding onto the pack of cigarettes that she just bought. It's like, dude, she hit like she died of a fucking heroin overdose like, you don't like, they're like, oh, her body should have been crumpled in a specific position it's like just, okay. So trying to add a conspiracy like I don't know someone's trying to kill her. Same thing with Jimi. Derek's. It's like no, no. They they died and people are just trying to make sense of it, right?

27:13 That's exactly, right Cynthia, and like you said before and then just so happens. I'm 27 years old. So that adds to the Mystique, some level of reasoning, it adds to purpose and adds to yeah, yeah, yeah. It gives you a reason as to why these things happen not just like these massive, like, Titans musician, type musical Titan, Like are really fucking, you know, fragile human beings that, you know, took too much shit, right? So Jim Morrison, mmm. You look up his death today and it says, heart failure. Okay, or a heart attack, that's what it says. Oh, he died of a heart attack or heart failure at 27 bullshit because of too much coke.

27:59 Right? Exactly. That's that's one way to look at it right. There was never an autopsy done. You know, he actually was actually believed to have been A drug overdose. That was kind of covered up at the time and called a heart attack. They never did an autopsy. They never did anything there. They just laid him to rest. And that's weird though. I mean once again if you sit there like especially at that time, like you know how even today we have like celebrities were like, oh, they're just tired or like they're going to. They need some rest and really rest is like fucking rehab, right? So it's like, it's not so. Far removed from today.

28:40 Let's try not to get us off topic. Yeah, go ahead. That's just proves. That's in the other thing. I, if someone in my family, died of a heart attack, unless they definitely knew that for some way they would autopsy right, but because you're rich and famous somehow, you grease The Palms or something. Yeah. You know, you get this Escape. All that kind of stuff. Yeah, you get to cover it up. It up like same thing, like so Amy Winehouse, like she her death, was she overdosed on? Like, she had like one she was a bulimic. So she had been sober for a period of time and then started drinking again and really drinking was like her issue but she's done.

29:24 Like she had done heroin. She did everything. Okay? Yeah, it's awful. She was so talented. But yeah, she had all these fucking problems and her grandmother died, which was like brilliant. Matriarch, really, very important. Person in her family. She never dealt with that. Among other things but she, you know, started drinking and was drinking like fucking handles of vodka and she weighed like, maybe a hundred pounds, you know? So it's like, she died of an alkyl. A, this is why these delivers? Hell yeah, yes, and it's like her liver. Yeah, she was done, it was done. So she maybe if she would have been, you know, not bulimic, she could have survived but her body was fucking week. You know, you all of these people really struggled with addiction.

30:07 Same, you know, stardom and their their own demons in their lives. So one thing that I really want to make a parent in this is that the 27 Club is not something to Aspire to be a part of, right. Like we start out like there's no way that we could be a part of it, right? But want to. Yeah we don't want to it's not sexy or glamorous, right? Like it's you know lonely and it lacks hope. And here's my soapbox, okay, okay. If Or someone, you know, are going down that road fucking talk to someone talk to anyone. You know, it's just not worth it and you're certainly not alone. Well actually have sources in our show notes wherever you're currently listening and also on our website at the bazaar EF www.the by the RAF.com. So yeah that's that's the 27 Club. Great pocket.

30:59 We don't want to be a part of it. So do you have? So we'll, we'll need to put in the show notes a list? Yes, of the names. That would be fair. Fascinating. So it's actually yeah, it is in our show notes. It's in the Wikipedia article, if you scroll down, you can see everyone. And what's interesting is that, of course, once the 27 Club, you know, had been coined or Turner like I deemed a club, then people started going back into history and say, oh, this person would died at 2700 this person. It's like, okay, well you're going back in time and Marie fucking writing history. Ultimately but, and then again, I don't I Hate to be the guy that's glass half empty.

31:39 But you can, you can make a 33 club and if you could buy of Club at a 3850 fucking 452 Club, apparently, right? Like, that's R56 whatever fucking agent is. Like, that's more statistically significant. Think, like you said, if it gives you some sort of a comfort as to a reason or whatever then that's okay, that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. But also know that these people were struggling with demons and like we all have fucking demons. We all have like shit that We are dealing with and there is no reason to, you know, to drown ourselves as although, it might be fun and look glamorous initially like there's no reason to go down that road. There's help.

32:21 And even if you can't afford, you know, help or whatever, like they're fucking 1-800 numbers. Like, talk to a friend or, you know, I don't know, Tommy just said, the new 811, right? Yeah. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, there are there's so many like so some of the resources that we have Also Amy Winehouse Foundation. If you're located in the UK, they actually do a lot of work with young people who are struggling with addiction and depression. Well, and yeah, young people in general, like, in their 20s and stuff like that. So, you know, there are foundations. There are resources for help, it's just so calm. It seems like it's way more. So, that's the other thing. Mmm, like why, why is mental health such a problem now, I mean, dude, I got another patient, I I'm in therapy.

33:05 I am proud a proud. Like therapy goer every other week. Shout out to Lisa. Hey Lisa, you know my therapist is awesome. I, you know, I have someone that I can talk to that, you know, is I think, you know, I'm pretty well-adjusted but I have some fucked-up shit. My background, you know, I'm a fucked-up person in general. But, you know, I'm trying to be better every day and it's admitting, it's admitting that like none of us are perfect. We all have skeletons in our closet. That the, you know, they're never going to leave, right? So, how the fuck do you learn, how to deal with them? And that's what therapy and talking to your friends and having a support system and figuring out a support system? That's why those things are so relevant. These people didn't have that, right? Mmm.

33:52 Because they wouldn't be like, overdosing on fucking heroin. If they did. Like if they had if they had the resources or sought it out you know, maybe they'd still be alive today. Yeah, and it's important. It shouldn't be a stigma. There should be no Stigma person. Not right. Like hey, you want to talk to talk to us, send it, go on our fucking website, like send a fucking message, and be like, hey, I'm fuck this shit, won't send you a message back and be like, yeah, fuck this shit. You know, you're not alone. It's just it's not, it's not worth it at all. To, to feel like you, you know, don't have any other, you know, options in life because there are other options, right? Are in your you've gone to therapy to, right?

34:34 I've never gone. Had a therapy session shut up. Matt. Oh my god, with that could be. That could be like a fucking topic and that's okay. I blame it on preservatives preservatives. Yes, what's oh, it's fucked. People up over the last 100 years. Oh, so that's why we need. Don't you think that like it's always been there. There's an answer until hell. I mean, I think all of this fake shit, that we put into our bodies. God, this is blame it on preservatives. This is a future talk. I definitely think it's a future topic. I do. And, you know, I think this is like I'm happy that we talked about the 27 club today because I do think it's very important and maybe you don't need therapy necessarily but maybe, you know, you have fun. Some everyone needs.

35:23 Everyone needs. We are human being, we're human beings. We're not meant to be alone and we are meant to be together and it's important to get help some, if you need help, whatever it may be. Yes, absolutely. And talking. As dumb as it seems like just talking something out. It helps for some weird dumb reason. It totally feels like it's bullshit. But actually, it's not and like sometimes it takes like a little bit of the burden that you're feeling that you're carrying with a carrying along every single day. It takes a little bit of that often. There's no knowing someone knows, you knowing that someone is there to kind of guide you and support you and understand you and see you. Yeah.

36:03 That mean that's something it's definitely something. Well, thanks, The 20s. It's weird. So, we'll have to say it's dude, weird. Yeah. It's very bizarre. It's bizarre and so many aspects and also wonder did they pick the? Did it become to be? Just because those three happened to start it because that's when it started, right? As when those three died, I think that it was really because, you know, you have Jim Morrison of The Doors, like he was. There were fucking huge, right? Yeah. Jimi Hendrix fucking huge, right? You know, Janis Joplin huge mass of. These were men. Of stars and they almost died. Um, someone clicked him together and like, oh my God, they all three dead. Hey they're all 27, all 27.

36:43 Like what is it? Maybe it has nothing to do with the amassing amounts of fucking drugs. Everyone's dance festivals. It has everything to do with about a 27. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just trying to make sense of something that, you know, trying to make sense of this world, right? So what it is and there's nothing wrong with trying to figure that out. But ultimately all these people had fucking demons. They're not perfect right for sure, but they're cool. But Like, you can be cool and also have Demons, of course. Look at me. I mean, exactly. We're in the presence of fucking Kevin right now. Yeah, thank you for giving me an excuse to wear massive amounts of eyeliner. Yes. Oh my gosh, I you know what we could have done like that, like smokey eyes, like, really smoked out. I tried to make it like, almost a me because Amy is my girl. I do.

37:30 I like, the little wing on your eyeball. I should have done it way. More extreme could have, like, the like poop. Yes, I wanted to do that. But you know, No TMI. We are going to be recording another podcast, I so I couldn't. Well, that's the thing. I'm have to watch this. Yes. Apply for the next one, I think. Yeah, for sure. Well, thanks for the topic. Thank you. Boom. Okay, you too and we'll see you in the next episode. On the flip side. Okay. Breathe.