Skinwalker Ranch

0:41 Hello to all our bigs RAF. They call me Kevin they called me Alicia. If you're listening right now, you're tuned into the bizarre AF where we talked about the strange, the Absurd, the unknown and things that are bizarre as fuck. That's right. In today's episode, we're going to chat about the most And typically studied paranormal hot spot on the planet by Walker ranch ranch, ranch, ranch Skywalker, mhm, Skinwalker God, that's a different thing. Skywalker Ranch is that, um, what's his douche? Wait, whose Skywalker?

1:25 Oh yeah, that's Star Wars Star, Trek fan. So listen as the famous, playwright and tough. Check off said we declare, frankly, that nothing is clear in this world, Only Fools and charlatans know and understand everything. So, keep an open mind, keep a skeptical here, but keep listening to the facts. As we take you on our newest Journey. So Alicia have you heard of Skinwalker Ranch before? You know what? I actually I have. Yeah, I've heard of a Skinwalker Ranch. I am. I'll be honest. I'm a sissy. I'm totally with. Like I get scared of almost everything.

2:06 No dude. I totally do. I like to believe that I'm like more than than what I actually am, but I'm just not, I'm just, I'm just a wimp. Oh, and Skinwalker Ranch the stories behind it, really Freak me out. Well we are going to dive into that and you know as I mentioned it is recognized as the most scientifically studied paranormal hot spot on the planet and yeah you know it is surrounded by the Ute tribal properties and we're going to get into why that is significant. Oh my God in just a moment. Oh I'm nervous. Well the Skinwalker Ranch is a 512 acre. Secure site that has been monitored and For decades and it is completely secured, their surveillance, 24/7 365, and it is a remote location that has been involved in a pentagon funded black budget project.

3:07 Okay, so you're saying black budget, I'm in. That's all you need to say honestly, black budget done so they have been studying UFO activities. Tell me relations, strange phenomenon and it is also known as a living laboratory for studying other intelligence and possible inter dimensional phenomenon. Oh my God. I mean, so here's here's the thing. When you get into like interdimensional phenomenon, it really freaks me the fuck out because that is the unknown. Yeah, it's like, okay, what can I control? Mmm.

3:50 Nothing real. I mean, let's be honest, I can't control anything. I just think I can, and that's exactly. And then I'm always pleasantly surprised that I just can't. I'm caught my egos probably shattered, but I, but but it's inner Channel, That's I mean, it's because things can't be explained. They can be explained. Cannot not yet, be explained. So let's get started with our adventure. I'm here. Okay, I'm here for the ride, perfect and to do that, we're going to have to travel back into time, just a smidge. Okay, 100 years or so. I think I can do that kite. So in 1911, And possibly before, not a lot of documentation. Okay, newspaper reports of Rumblings strange noises from this location.

4:46 Homesteaders that lived in this site reporting. Unexplained phenomenon. Weird, like furry creatures unnatural creatures? Yes, things. They can't. They've seen they can't explain, right? And you can imagine this is Little House on the Prairie style. Yeah, exactly. Imagine 1911 people don't know stuff? No, no, no. You don't know any no today. Can't communicate with people other people quickly, for sure. So things you don't know. You don't. I mean you don't know a lot. Yeah. Okay, so now we are knowledge. He's not a thing, right? Yeah. 1937 Skinwalker Ranch is purchased by the Myers family. 1947 the Myers family, they actually add more land to their property.

5:41 Okay. Another like eighty three acres so now they're up to 512 Acres okay, 1979 by this time, a lot of UFO activity happening there report people. The were the farm. This land are reporting a lot of medical. All events traumas. Oh like they're having like medical issues medical issues, because perception altering issues, God, nausea, temporary pain, paralysis vertigo, like things are. These they couldn't explain. Yeah sure.

6:21 Flash Forward 1992. The ranch is sold and purchased by the schurmann family and this family reports. A lot of things they saw that they are witnessing a lot of things. Yes, and more disturbing thing. Okay, then previously a lot of a lot more UFO activity a lot of malevolent influences cattle mutilations like gets Eating more so serious. So it's still the same stuff that was happening back in like 1911, but now, it is opt, opt like there's more activity and it's becoming more.

7:04 Exactly - yes and I think they're becoming more aware of it. Reporting it more. Because it's just becoming more obvious anything. Yeah. And and these and in a lot of these things are daylight events. Hmm. Oh, during the day, they're not coming back and then seeing these cattle on like, oh, they're fucked up. Exactly. It's seeing the cattle in the morning. Then you see the same cattle in the afternoon. Completely completely wide. Well, like for example they'll see a cattle drained of blood drained, 0 blood around them, zero blood on them. No visible signs of like a cut.

7:57 I okay, I have a question. Yeah. These like they didn't have like, were these were the actual like Calves. Did they have? Like, I don't know. Like some kind of medical issue. Like was was there a genetic defect like right passed down? Like yeah, yeah, so since these cattle have been on the Range or whatever, the ranch, I'm nice. I'm a city, girl. I'm a city girl. I don't really know shit. But These like the cattle like been procreating and then they had like like some mutant like disease think the Royals you know how old I get it. Fine.

8:46 Yeah, did they have it? How does that explain? No blood Right? Yeah, yeah you right. That's the weird part. That's it was like, okay, so okay. So there was like, no, the blood was just gone. There wasn't a cut it was exactly. Well right well some with their cut knows, it will. Sometimes there was like a decapitations for example, okay, decapitations precision. Decapitations. Okay, like no some marks and like imagine a laser go and like perfectly cut.

9:29 Through the spine like like like you couldn't just like go out there and cut off a cow's head like that would be obvious now and no blood. Yeah there's no blood no but that's that's really the problem. Like even if you did have all the tools necessary like precisely and this is happening. It's like 25% of their herd. Oh yes. It's that's a that's a lot and they own acres and Acres. So it's 512 by this time. Yeah, it's not like you can be like, okay well word. They're just down the street. Grab it. Put it on a gurney and like carry it over God. I don't know. Like some plastic like you've seen Dexter. Exactly.

10:11 Yeah. Kill room. Wow. Yeah there was nothing like that. Good God. Okay. Okay so now we're in 1996 and so the schurmann family this was led by a billionaire and his name was Robert Bigelow. He acquires the property from them, and he starts to do this, unprecedented level of research on this Ranch. So, he knew that there are something up, he did, he did, well, because they had been reporting it. And so, he came in with this team called knids and ideas, and it's the National Institute for Discovery Science, and it was privately funded and his staff by like eight people and Senior, some of them were part-time summer. A full-time and we're talking PhD people scientists and investigators F.

11:04 You know, former FBI security. I mean, they were, I mean, they credential people totally. And so, this was their focus up until about 2002. Okay? Okay. Well, in nineteen back to 1996, there's this guy named James Randi and he was the token. He was the token naysayer of of likewise going, just paranormal normal and in general. And so he had his own opinions about Robert and his Endeavor. So what he's like he's like a reporter who like a fool. Yeah, he's talking opinion.

11:45 Totally like we all know our Randy. Yeah, we all know. Randy. Yeah I can suck exactly. I'm so he so he Awards them. This is what he calls this Pegasus. Award and it sounds amazing. Yeah, you know I love I love. Pegasus pegasi Mega side. No, no. So he gives them this award for funding the purchase of the ranch and for supporting these investigations. Right? But he calls this award, the funding organization that supported the most useless study of the supernatural paranormal or a cult.

12:26 That was the Pegasus He's a deck day back. Oh my God, open your mind, boo. Okay, I'll be honest too. Okay, there's one thing about being a cynic, right? You can be a cynic, whatever you have something to say. Of course, you create a fucking Award, right? Roll. Someone rude. I mean, the dedication calm down. He should, I don't know, maybe put that towards other things. Other aspects of his life, like, happiness. Call me crazy. Call me f down. Yeah, come on. Down. Dude, chill the fuck out. So then there's this into their author, called Robert Shaffer and according to him.

13:09 The phenomenon as Skywalker is almost certainly illusionary. Not only was the several year-long monitoring of Skinwalker by knids. Unable, to obtain proof of anything unusual happening, he says. But also the people Who owned the property prior to the Sherman's, a family, whose members lived there for 60 years, deny, that any mysterious phenomenon of any kind occurred there. Well, so he's talking about the original owners prior to the Sherman's, so I go back to my notes 1911. Yeah, the 1911 peeps.

13:50 Looks yeah, right. Who we just talked about, they don't know Adam from Adam, sure, you know what I mean? And so don't, so don't say that they didn't report or know anything one to know what to know, they didn't, they didn't know what, they didn't know. But also, you know, you think about that time. Like, how honestly, like, how could you feel like, like people weren't going to put you in an insane asylum. You're like, hey, look, this weird that's happening called a, which, I mean, right, right. Like, like God forbid, you're like, just trying to make ends meet. You have this cattle, like you don't want to, like, Rock the Boat. Boat and it's a small community. Exactly.

14:32 Yeah. You don't want to be called a wet bar called, whatever and move being moved to fucking who wherever an insane. Asylum example thought, ya know these people are you're going to take take advantage of it, like their land or whatever. Like yeah, no, I know. I know it's make any sense. No way, no way. Okay, so. So now we're going to flash for so So, he so Sherman, the schurmann family own the ranch, right? Okay. So now we're going to flash forward to 2008, okay? And the read the research team they transition from the knids, as I said, and ideas to Bass and this is called the Bigelow Aerospace. Advanced space studies bass, be aass, okay? And now Advanced space studies, okay. Okay.

15:25 Okay. Now you're like wait what's very different from Cal different now? It's funded by the US government. Are you fucking kidding me? Things and making it for real? Yeah. So it's funded in 2008 now it's funded by bass which is the US government doing with the gun working with him. Yes. This new owner and the government, okay? This is fucking getting juicy us for sure. Getting sauce Okay, so it was very aggressive study and now we're being. Now, we've got about 55 to 60 people on the ranch anywhere from Engineers to Intelligence, Officers to security to folks who are really, who know who know how to like conduct an experiment.

16:21 Deborah wearing a matching, yeah, bring in a man. Why? Million-dollar question. What did that is know? What was like? They were like, okay, now we're getting involved. What is happening? These cattle, mutilations are something to it, seems getting, yeah, someone's like raising their years ago, your key study it. So now we're in 2013 and over, there's well over 500 anomalies being reported over well over 150 witnesses that have been recorded as being impacted. David and all of this information is in this best database. This be a SS database. Okay.

17:01 It's the government's involved. So it's not like they're sharing this information. Sure. Okay. To this very day, those people who were at facility of a part of those 150, they refuse, we refuse to go back to that land. They will not step foot on that land. That's some real fucking trauma. Toto. Something real happened to them. Like these are Scientists people who are investigating lie and they're choosing, they're saying, I see what I was getting into. I knew what I was getting into, I was going to study this, that's right, whatever the fuck happened happened in a very real way and I do not feel safe.

17:52 I'm never going to enter this space again and that is the key. They said, I do not feel safe, not going back, I'm not going back there. Sure. And your exact, to your These are logical scientific people. Who knew what they were getting into. Some kind of weird like, strange. Exactly. Who like, who fucking okay? You said over how many 150, 150, people who are on the government's payroll? Yeah. So there were there were there about 55 or 60 people on government's payroll but at this point there's well over 150 people documented impacted. What the fuck did they see?

18:35 Okay. Gave them yes it's fucked up like Viewpoint yes that's this is what we're not normal. Not normal, none. I know I'm a wimp but like yeah if these people are like oh I want to see the shit and like they're clearly not like uh-huh. Whatever it is that they're seeing, has surpassed their bullshit meter. Uh-huh. It's whether like, okay realness, not going back. Yeah, this is like, this is like it's gone past that level where I'm comfortable, I Ooh, there are some weird shit, right? But like, what was it right that made them not want to come back onto the land? So let's talk. We have a specific, we do have some oh, great, perfect. So, in 2016, a guy named Brandon Fogle. He purchased the ranch from Robert Bigelow. Okay?

19:29 Okay, because he wanted to investigate and explain This crazy bizarre stuff, but he bought the ranch under a shell Corporation because he wanted to keep secret. You want to keep an eye on him as he didn't want to be a big deal about who owned it or who he was, he was here is really cared about understanding. What was happening. Phenomenon phenomenon itself? Yes, he just wanted to study it. That's right. I did want to make money off of it. He didn't want to do anything. You just wanted to buy it. Research it and understand it. How much do you know how much he I do not know how much he bought it for which I think is an interesting question, but Brandon Vogel, Is a very prominent businessman, he's a newer, he's a real estate broker.

20:19 He, I mean, he was working with Coldwell Bankers, he was founding, he was Finding founding their commercial advisory leader, he was not recognized over like, 220 offices. As the premier guy, I mean, he's big. Yeah guy, there's a lot of very successful. He was supporting technique, he loves technology, so he was supporting be startups, very successful, very wealthy. Which gave him the resources that he needed to kind of get into this, put into that, soda into it. What does background ass?

21:00 I mean, I know that he was a businessman but like, well, here the fuck do you come into? So he was born in Salt Lake City, and very religious family. So you need I say more, ya know, like he's not much caffeine caffeine is not spending money on Starbucks, no five dollar or All right, he's not imbibing like we are. Cheers. Hey, cheers, bitches! You need a fucking drink for this one. Goddamn So he has none of these. So he's taking all the money, right? Yeah, I mean he's a very successful businessman and he wants to use his resources is technology, his business.

21:44 His money to really truly understand this and he said that, that his religion actually is what drove him to really try to understand the bigger meaning of life and what was really out there. Okay. So his religion was the driving force. So he thought he'd find God in this thing. That's it. Question, maybe, maybe or or the lack of either way? It's like I support that I totally understand where he's coming from, right? Use your use your resources to to now, to and honestly, like being lazy. Let's, let's be honest, like, I want to fuck. I want to know what you're going to find out. You're going to put the money towards it. Yeah, sure. Fine, cool. Like, yeah, I'm curious.

22:26 Huh, exactly. Wow, exactly. All right. So, and now it's now 28. Team, hm. And this is about a couple of years after he purchased the ranch. His team captures 500-foot span of the Mesa that runs through his property. Illuminated. Like the mesas. Are illuminated. You there's video of this you can see them illuminated, okay. A couple questions? Yeah, a lot of questions. I have a owner. Yeah, I have a lot of questions.

23:09 Okay, so I guess the first one would be Illuminated illuminated as in like there's glowing like literally glowing. Everything's glowing glowing. Okay. And it's just this one little span. Okay, I'm gonna draw from a natural like perspective. Okay, you go to different places. Like Puerto Rico, has bioluminescent Bay's, right? Oh yeah. You can see Aunt. I think there's plants and creatures. Yeah. But like why? Stop during like a spawning season. Yeah, totally makes sense. Yeah, so This bioluminescence, how do we know that there's not some kind of chemical compound?

23:54 That's like, that's like, like, lighting up during a specific time of the year, is it happen? Consistently like, is this something that is only happening once a year? And it's like a spawning or mating season that they. So, it does not happen. Consistently this, not like a rhythm or a season or a Time. But it's dirt and rock. Yeah, they do another bomb plant, they're setting the compounds, right? Exactly. There's so many people, studying so many, you know, you have, you have the astrologist hitting the sky, you have the what are the The Rock people? Like?

24:36 What are the Rocks? Geology jealous. Just so you've got all of that being studied. So they've kind of ruled that out. Okay. okay, but there's more to the light thing because not only is the Mesa glowing. Hmm, there are pillars of light shooting out from the ground up into the sky and we know that's going upwards because the lower portion of the clouds are glowing Right? So, you know, it's coming out, it's coming like, what's the Las Vegas place?

25:20 The Luxor the Luxor. So imagine that because column of, it's like, a column of light. Yeah. And the other search light. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can see video of it. It's like random. Where do you see it at? Where is it on out of the Mesa? No, but I mean, like, can we find on YouTube early? Yes, where is it? Yes, on YouTube. Yes, yes, just random. Random. Well, you can so Skinwalker Ranch has their own website and you can go to their video and you can see, you know, the little okay, you're like you have to subscribe 99, holy you haven't subscribed to see the good shit, but they do have the freebie stop question.

26:03 Okay, did you subscribe to see the no? No, I wasn't about to subscribe. It's the second pot. I mean, I care but I don't care. Don't care 2999 words. Yeah, no, totally plus shipping and handling, not one. But you can see, you can see the glow, you can see the call scuse me, you can see the columns like rising up. There's nothing that we can actually now. Okay, this is now. It's unexplainable, fuck, it's unexplainable. Okay, so just leave it at that Alicia cleanable. Okay, okay, done. So they're also see large, luminescent glowing things, flying above the maze disappearing into the Mesa over the Mesa. What so you could, you know how I we always joke about the flying dust orb.

26:56 Yeah, yeah, the flying dust or but like is it actually like the size of a flying dust or a bug in it? No, it's a size of Something much brain big yes but they know it's not a plane just because they're measuring size speed, boo, boo blue. They go to the flight logs of the FAA, they know that there was nothing in the area and you have to say I guess you have to see the videos to really appreciate where, okay Oddity like the the shape of it. Well yeah. That's is it like like what does it look like? Is it is the shape is a shape like like a like a Cessna plane? Is it like like a Boeing nose, like a circle? You're saying like it's like a Tic Tac? No.

27:48 No it's not like a Tic Tac or I'm saying that because like they say, no you've had it. Yes I've seen them know. This is like a literal like a literal circle like an orb like I could look at but look at that store of, that's just like chasing after your cousin or whatever. Yes and some of them I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie it some of them watch them. Like that's a bug really? There's a boy. Bug. Like it's a bug on like a camera. Yeah, you know, when they do the like the night vision and you like you see this thing flying like okay, it's a bug. Okay. But it's so perfectly round and it doesn't like flutter. Okay, they have just like really round moths. So okay, so there's a whole tons of Shape. And so what they say is that every time they bring someone on the ranch that's new, The ranch behaves differently. Okay, okay.

29:05 One, yes. I'm just no file. No, yes, no. Okay. Kevin, I'm gonna file that back and into my mind and not be so freaked out that I can't sleep. But okay, let's say, I like you and I go onto the ranch. Yes. It's going to have brand-new things read like thing. We've never seen that, they've never seen. They've never seen. Because you and I come on to the hmm. like not just light, like totally different, could be Poltergeist, it could be a sound, it could be a Dust or but it'd be a little green man. Well they've never seen those odd. I would fucking die.

30:02 I've never seen a man be so scared, but but it's like we're never not seen before. So it's like constantly upping the ante like someone someone coming in. Yeah and it's like trying to get a reaction from a bee. So, maybe it's like, hey, your new. I'm gonna, I want that attention to this thing. Hey, pay attention to me. Hey CeCe. What I'm like, a dog. Like, when I come into your house? Yeah, and they do not and your little adorable dogs. Go nuts. They both of them. They want the attention and they want to see what you're doing, who you are.

30:44 So it's almost like reactionary. It seems like what and what if it's Or what if? Yeah, it's hey I'm going to try this with you and see if you understand me now. Oh, it's trying to communicate. Yeah, I can see I could see that. Like, maybe this is the person I can communicate with Ryan. So it tries to think different things with different people. I mean the the prop the thing that I have a question with is like if they've been studying it for so long and also here's the fucking thing, the huge like question mark that I have in this fuckin sky is why is it that the government stepped away?

31:36 I think that's a very good question. Like what brought you in? What took you out? Yeah, good because if the government was studying something and putting funds behind it, what the fuck did they find out that they're like yeah it's not worth it. Like we already know the answers so did they say like what it is like is it? I do not I do not know the answer to that question. I do not know well I think the I fascinating question I think the answer to the question is, whatever they were trying to figure out they fucking found out, maybe they got an answer to it, because why else would you not put money towards that? Well, Playing devil's advocate, maybe they're like, because we're not finding what we want.

32:19 But it's consistently reacting, the light like the area is consistently reacting, there something is happening cattle mutilations fucking, you know, Lights lighting up areas, whatever the case may be. I don't understand why the why the government would not like, unless they knew that they couldn't answer or they knew what the answer was one of the other? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I know. I know, I get it. No, I get, this is a lot of questions, so so now we're in 1990 or 20 1920, History Channel decides.

33:07 Hey, I'm sure that this is what they're thinking, she could make some money on this because this is some interesting Shiite. Yeah, of course, well, as I mentioned before, Mr. Who go does not want to be known, right? Because we do. Ya got this under a shell company, right? He didn't want anyone to know that he was like a weirdo like Zach to this phenomenon. Exactly. He. So they go somehow, I'm sure they figured out who he was and convinced him to let. Them help him the History Channel, The History, Channel History, Channel's not really History Channel. Anyway, no, that's really like, Ancient Aliens which don't get me wrong.

33:55 Fucking love it. Yeah, but right, okay, yeah, not history anymore, right? We'll give you money. We just want to, you know, figure out what's going on. Exactly. So they, they work together and in 2020, they released this documentary and I think you can find it on zoo Hulu, Netflix. Netflix. Yeah, exactly. A secret of Skinwalker Ranch. Okay. Did you did you watch the Skinwalker Ranch? I didn't. Or I did watch the whole thing. I think you need to watch it. Really how long is it? Maybe like I don't know, Eight Episodes it Opposite. How it how much I mean I think we were like half hour. Oh okay that's easy we can get through that. Yeah okay it's really good because the guy that kind of is leaving get and I'm are coding here. Sharing it.

34:50 It's a skeptic and they hired him to be a skeptic. So our bro Brandon is Brandon Brandon's bringing in The skeptic he's bringing in the skeptic, but is he, like, active in this very active, really, like, they still put him in charge. I mean, he's in charge of the ranch and they keep him in charge during this documentary. Okay. So I guess I have another question. Yeah. So it was just done during 2019 or 2020. Bent what about 1920? Yeah. So you say They keep him in charge.

35:30 Yeah. Who's really bankrolling this? You can they keep well charge. Is he actually in charge? I'm sure the History Channel gave give him a lot of money, some money. Yeah. But he's very rich person and he's been doing this anyway by himself. So I'm sure for at least. I mean, this is his passion. I mean, how much money does he really have to do? I think he's very, very well very loaded. Yeah. So the again, I don't think this was about the money. He's and he said this was never about money. Okay, this was about him. Meaning the meaning of life, I guess you'll throw any money out, if that's what you believe you're finding. Yeah. But like part of me questions, like, as far as the like, what he's seeing, he's seeing like some kind of, he's trying to find purpose in this, right? And it seems to me, like, whomever's owned this land. His found has not found purpose.

36:28 It's been like, almost like it's fucking with you. It seems like. It's like, Dexter or like there's something else to this maybe like it's not it's not necessarily giving you an answer that you're looking for. Not just say that about all of these kinds of topics as we never really get the answer, sometimes you do right? Like, I feel like sometimes, like you can kind of like make an educated guess as to what's happening. But on the flip side, it seems like there's a phenomenon where it's trying to get a rise. Rise out of you and and just trying to fuck with you in general. Like it's not trying to are you. Let it be, let it be that get that energy out of you. Yeah.

37:13 Yeah. There's something powerful. Yeah. Who knows who knows? Right. Exactly. Okay. So I'm going to tell you where Skinwalker Ranch. So this area was, well, obviously, all of North America was Native Americans. Yeah, definitely. Okay. And so, this particular area, the Utes and the navajos, they had a very actually sorted past and the Utes and the Navajo tribes started off as allies and trading partners. Sure. And, you know, they live the work, the land and as Generations went on the relationships, kind of became strained and so much.

37:54 So that when the US Government sent soldiers out to the Southwest to protect the white settlers from the Navajo, tries the, you tribes. Apparently, they joined forces and they with the soldiers, yeah. The government, the government. Exactly. And as retribution, The Navajo, Indians cursed, the land. With evil spirits and those evil, spirits are known as skinwalkers. Okay. And so now what I exactly button but you can now kind of start connecting the dots. Sure believe in that.

38:38 Yeah yeah definitely if in fact they had cursed the land And now we are seeing all of these weird phenomenon, people, perhaps there is a connection perhaps that, is it, okay? So yes, one, We did the youths, okay? I'm gonna put on my I'm not totally white and say that I don't fucking trust the US government because hey we're here at the pasaría. Right one. What what kind of a fucking option.

39:18 Did the Utes actually have? Yeah. Like like if the government's like, hey, look, we're going to try to like blow out these Navajo people. Like I know you're not friends of them. Like you're not the biggest fan. What like you want to join forces with us. Yeah. And they're like, I don't know, but really the government saying you want to join forces with us horse horse. So it's like they didn't really have much of no toys, of course against the Navajo 12. But did the navajos put a curse on? That's, that's my question. Like, did they put a curse on the land for the youths?

39:59 Or did they put a curse on the land? Or did they even in? It's just always been like, this weird fucking land. That like okay. So here's the other thing is so the the curse that they put on the land, the the this Mesa. Hmm. It runs right through this Ranch so that 500 feet of Mesa that glows. Yeah. Through this Ranch. This is the area that the Navajo, Indians supposedly cursed, okay? Okay. Well, hence the name right, right, right. Skinwalker Ranch Skinwalker area. Like what is?

40:45 I mean? It's kind of shit land, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's really like, yeah, like dirt and rock. Like I said and why would they curse that area because they were F and pissed? Oh, why would the youths even No fucking live there. Be there. I guess they probably been moved. Like, you know, you're right. Who knows? Probably right. Exactly, never mind. Yeah. Okay. So skinwalkers they cursed it and we're like, okay, evil entities are evil entities. Yes, who which are gone forms and shapes of all sizes and kinds. So like what they can be a person person, a thing, I think, primarily I think, I was reading.

41:29 I needed how she go look at this game, but I think a lot of it was around. Beasts and wolves. And that probably, there's Predators. Yes. But they can really take on apparently, any form hints Skinwalker. So whatever. So what would be the thing that was like, I don't know. Mutilating cows, a laser a laser beam. Laser a fucking a shark with fucking laser beams attached, their heads. Well, I was this is what makes this even worse, trying to figure out is like Why, what I? What and okay, so let's talk.

42:16 Okay, let's pretend that it's not. That is Skinwalker in Oscars. Yeah, it's Britain, it's not something else. Uh-huh. Okay, why to get a rise out of people to get? Why are you draining cows, Bloods? Why are you cutting off their heads with laser Precision? Why are you doing these little floating dust orbs and up by the way, there are so there's there's what they call. Call Homestead one Homestead to on this Ranch. And you if you go to their website, you actually see a map. They show you a map and kind of where these things are, like the homesteads. Yeah. So that was actually one thing that I was going to ask about is like, is there an area on the actual like Ranch?

42:59 That's like more active. I like one area like has more. It's more of an epicenter for like this activity to even happen and the answer is yes. Yeah. Which one is it? Look the ridge with the glowing? Yeah. Yeah. Amazed I think some Homestead to as a lot of activity, okay? Interesting, which is used to be like I literally a homestead back when someone actually fact, when we were talking about this 11 1911, when the Piat people live there, I wonder what happened to that time. I wonder if there is something that happened there that maybe had an imprint on the land or so maybe that could be it. Yeah, but even, I mean, none of this like make sense. It seems to me like things are constantly changing, right? With the, the activity.

43:46 It's never the same always changing. So where can we? What can we say is actually, like, like, what is the the, the one common denominator? Like, what is it? That is consistently, you know, happening. Like, I can't say that aside from getting a rise out of, people are trying to get attention. Like what else is it? It is not trying to get a rise or attention. Maybe it's I'm trying to communicate and I don't know how. Yeah, and maybe that's what makes it that's why it's different. Every time someone else comes on because it's trying different things, but how many fucking scientists the government came in, like, the fact that government came in and then left at? Yeah, like it's not like an arid Area, 51 situation that we like like we've had in the past where we write still there and still like, you know researching right? They've researched they found their answer and they're fucking done.

44:47 So, So what the fuck did they figure out? Maybe that's it. Maybe they figured it out and they went it's not worth our time or We're going to we can't. We have to stop because now we can't let people know stuff and so we have to shut it down by Big Brother me. Yeah. Like we're afraid of pandemonium we're afraid of people like reacting in a very negative. Like, yes, well, I'm Matt's been proven many times. I mean, the parents, you're totally fucking right about that. Yes, that's very true. Yes, who knows? Yeah. I just find it strange that it's that place and why is it that nowhere in the middle, right? And it's still going on.

45:34 We can still look up like phenomena then like yes exactly. Still just as active as it was before. Or is it more active? Like I don't think it's more not that I know of more or less. It's it's still as active listening. Yes, yes, fucking crazy. I'm telling you to bit. Yeah, Google it. If okay, if you want to subscribe to their websites finding and hey, did you see these videos? But they're like I said, there are some free, the they do enough videos to entice. You to look, just wait and you can see that the glowing and you can see, you can see the arm, you can see it for free. You don't have to actually free.

46:16 Do the pay stuff. So okay. What if you were to say like hey I think this is what like what would you say like after? Researching the Skinwalker Ranch, what would you say it is? I'm still undecided quite honestly. I mean, I don't I'm not convinced one way or another, I'm not. I'm the type of person. Did I wouldn't? Is it a curse? Yeah I don't know where she'll curse. Is it? I mean no nose, right? It could maybe this something with this split. This particular spot is because it's so obscure and remote Maybe I don't know.

47:11 So I encourage you to watch the show because they do talk about this one area on the Mesa where it says Cavern and they actually can start going into this unknown Cavern. Ooh, but every time someone starts to go down there. They get violently ill. Oh like they can't go down there. Just any further? Oh my God. Yeah. That's fucked up. What is down there? What is down there? So do you think is there something buried under there? Yeah there's some I'm the completely random sure. An alien ship down there, that is causing some effect of human skin.

47:57 That's causing you to get sick, is there? I mean, it could be a billion. Any things if you're a betting man, what would you put? Your Chips on like like what? I'll tell. I mean, I guess I could tell you what I would do. Yeah, I would think it's some kind of like energy that is trying to like doesn't have the capacity that our energy does and so it's trying to get some kind of reaction because it makes it. I think I would agree if I'm gonna stick with the idea that it is not of this world or it is something Unexplained that I would go with that theory, is that it's something that just a does not know how to communicate with us, right?

48:45 Because it is so different. We can't it's interfering with us and no, no, I'm sick or, you know, whatever the case is, hence the reports all of the, you know, back in the 1911's when people were getting headaches and nausea and a paralysis and vertigo. And all these weird things, unexplainable. Yeah. So I just can't Interact with us. Well, you know what I would be like super interested to know if anyone's listening who has like a story. I think that would be brilliant. Yeah. Like a story about something. Similar a similar.

49:27 Maybe a story about someone they knew that was on Skinwalker Ranch, or been? Yeah, I've been there themselves. Yeah, I would cycle of parents elsewhere, is this all just bogus bullshit for a history. TV show, History Channel, TV show. The only I would ask that. I would try to catch say that pause except that it's been happening for over 100 years in the same spot. Yeah, you know what I mean? Varying degrees, but yeah, varying degrees. Yeah, Yeah. So if you guys would go to Anchor, FM.com and search for the bizarre AF and you can actually hit the record button. Met leave a message, you can Cord. If you've heard anything if you've experienced it and then we can like put you up on there would be so cool. Like just to hear someone's like comment like conversation, just about like oh yeah, actually my dad was like a janitor like in Homestead to.

50:29 I'm yeah, fucked up story. Exactly. I would love to hear about that. Yes. Or just like, hey, I have a friend who had, you know, been by there or like they lived in the air because it's a A small community. My I had friends who were there. It's very small community and so it's not like, like one, they're all from what I hear, you know, it's a weird area, very rural and small town rural, so I would be really interested. You guys have it please? Like, please. Thanks for listening to my story. Yes, that was a good one. I loved it.

51:09 I loved it like, Super scary alien asked mutilations like very like ice. I don't know like dust or the floating dust orbs. Like that's the one thing. I didn't believe that everything else I'm like, what the fuck. But I like that one. Yes, for sure. Thanks. Yeah. So our second episode. I am excited for our third episode which is weeks, huh? And we'll keep this Going you guys keep watching us live? Yeah it's every every other Saturday this Saturday we're releasing a new podcast so that's right. I haven't checked it out. Say hello, you can watch us live or even submit like a question or please. I thought about, you know potential please topics and stuff like that.

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