Psychics paid by the government

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0:57 The Well, hello Kevin, My Boo. How are you? Hey baby girl, how you doing? I'm good. Yeah, it's. Been a hot minute. It's been a hot minute. Yeah, I think, I mean I'm just gonna, I'm gonna come out and say it especially to our people that I know listen to this on regular basis. We're a little late, sorry. We're day late. But you know what? Also, we it had to be a little bit late. It's the holidays. Yeah, it's Christmas time. Girl got things to do. Exactly. You know we need. You guys are important but. You guys are, like, super important, right? We just don't have our shit together. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, that's.

1:38 True. You know what? We can admit when we're wrong. Right? True. So hashtag truth. Hashtag truth. So. Well, one. Happy Holidays. Thanks. Happy holidays to you too. Let's do a little. Yeah, a little cheesy. I did bring actual champagne. And it's tasty. It's tasty. You know what? There's honestly nothing greater than champagne. It's just it's so easy to drink and you know, it's quick, go to taste delish. Taste. Delish, but also like I look. I'm like, OK, am I like a little hoity toity? Well.

2:19 Maybe, yes. Am I a little extra? Are we a little extra? Sometimes? Yes, we are. And you know what? We know? Quality. Thank you. Champagne. Yeah. This episode sponsored by Champagne. Oh my God, are you kidding me? I would love that. Yeah. Can somebody who sells champagne please sponsor us? Thank you. Yes, Yeah, we would be happy to do a whole episode on champagne on your champagne. We can find some weird shit to talk. About Oh yeah, for sure. So I thought we actually have a voicemail that a a listener called in and left, which we. I know that we don't mention this a lot.

3:00 We don't. Should, probably should, yeah, yeah. But on our website, thebazaaraf.com, that you can go to the website, click on the yellow mic in the lower right or the lower right corner and then you can just record a direct voicemail. You can also just call our phone number which is 9703643 3663 you can. Make a little Jingle, 364-3663. Yes. You know what, Kevin, you need to for sure do that. So when you call up, we're not gonna answer the phone, but you can leave a voicemail and I thought that we would do that. We were talking about this before. We'll we'll cover the call at the end of the podcast. Yeah.

3:45 What I will say it's a good question. It's a good question. If it's our jam, let's just say it's totally our jam. It's weird AF, bizarre AF. It's our jam. Yeah. And yeah, you want to stick around and listen. Definitely. Definitely. So, OK, moving forward, did you ever see the movie Men Who Stare At Goats? Men who Stare at goats No. I know, it sounds really weird, right? How old is this movie? You know what, I think it came out in like 2005 or something like that. OK, no, this is new to me. Star-studded cast. Like really? I believe like George Clooney was in it. Like it was like a huge movie.

4:28 It won some awards. Wow. I have not seen it. New for me, so I have. No idea, but it is weird and it's actually what our topic today is based on, which is Project Stargate. Have you heard of Project Stargate? Does it have anything to do with Stargate like the Stargate like that I'm thinking? Of the series, Yes, I wish because that would be so. Cool. So cool. No, it just like had it had that name. That's what they called this like government project. OK. But gosh, OK. So if you haven't seen like Stargate, the show they had like these big old like. And there were ancient, ancient, like rings.

5:09 Yes, that you would walk through and it would basically be like a transportation right of like a different world, different time that kind of thing all over. Yeah, and if if you saw the original movie, it actually they raw. The God RAW. The God Raw was really. I don't know if he's the even necessary the inventor, but he would use these and this is how he helped. This is why the pyramids existed, so he could land his ship. Those ships for those pyramids are the same size as this ship. Ancient aliens. Hello. Hello. What were we doing before? Before it started. Oh, good. Oh, good.

5:49 OK, so anyways, we're gonna go back to 1978. Kevin. We're in the thick of the Cold War. The world is laughing, basically about how extra the US and Russia are with each other. OK, and they're one upping of each other, went. Now Kevin, do you wanna explain what the Cold War was or? Oh, God, yeah. Well, yeah, you can do it. But I, I, I, I just so I this was, I was still a Bebe. Yeah, that was Bebs. And it was things were really tense between US and Russia. And you hear about the Cuban missile crisis crisis and apparently if you watch documentaries and shows and people that talk about that like we were butt ass close. Yeah, to nuclear war.

6:41 War. Yeah, some scary, scary times. But yeah, go go into more into the Cold War as as a whole. I kind of there. OK, so there's this girl on on TikTok that I love and she likes to distill things into into stuff that I can really understand, like whether it's the economics or like. So I kind of channelled her when I was thinking about the situation between Russia and the US during the Cold War. So I kind of think that like Russia and the US were treating each other like ex lovers who are still obsessed with each other. OK, so. I love you.

7:21 I hate you. I love you. I hate you. I need to be more popular than you. I need to be better. But like, I'm obsessed with everything you're doing. But I'm still trying to get, like, my own friends kind of thing. It's like, ultimately, in the 1960s, we know about the space race. the US and Russia were racing to go into outer space. The US won the moon. Yep, right. Yep. We know how that kind of how that ended, but at this point in the 1960s were past World War 2, the rest of the world kind of has its own issues. Once again, we're going back to my analogy. The rest of the world had pimples, you know, hair growing in new places, body odor, voice changes. It was a lot.

8:10 Hormones are just racing, so they're paying attention to their own shit. But the UNUS and Russia had to measure, if you know what I mean, against each other. So they started clicks. Mine's bigger than yours. Mine's bigger than exactly Exactly mine's bigger. Mine's thicker. Whatever. So, so they started clicks and which I'm calling cliques, but it was really NATO and the Warsaw Pact. So NATO was the North American trade agree or organization that was the US is like cronies or clique that they started. It's like hey, you're our friends, right. We're all allies and that was actually like all of their allies for World War Two were also involved in NATO.

8:53 And then you have the Warsaw Pact, which was all of Russia's like friends. That was their clique. These were both high school cliques. And both of them were kind of like bullies trying to get other countries to join them to be the most big, like the biggest and most popular in the world, right. So let's go back to 1978. They're both superpowers, world superpowers, and they're trying to get any kind of lead possible on each other. So cue the United States, the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is one of those classified budgets within the Department of Defense. OK, OK. So we talk about black budget all the time, right? Like, it's something that we talk about when, especially with the military and namely, these black budgets are under the auspices of National Defense or national security, right. All that money, We don't know how much is going where for what.

9:57 So what do you think, Kevin? How much of A percentage of the US money would you say is eaten up by the military? Oh. And and this is just like mainly like in more recent years. Oh gosh, I. Got this number? Huh. That's a great question. I'm going to say it's a good question 55. That's a that's pretty, that's pretty close, officially. What's like, parsed out initially is 12% OK, really small.

10:38 And I remember seeing those pride charts and I was like, that's bullshit. There's more than that. Right. Because probably some stuff they can't even talk about, right? Oh, I I I highly doubt that. Like the money. They're. Not gonna show all of It's like really giving 17 billion no. Yeah, it's like it's like when you buy too much shit on Amazon or whatever and all these boxes come back and like, you're like, oh shit, I don't want my, you know, partner to see how much should I just bought. Some archive that order. Yeah, archive the order. Like, sneak it into the house and be like, yeah, am I shameful that I bought this thing? Kind of. But it makes me happy. Whatever. So it's actually half of the US discretionary spending. So we have like a budget, yeah, that the US educate this is how much we're allocating, yes.

11:26 Then there's a discretionary budget. It can spend wherever. Exactly. And that is half half of the of the discretionary budget goes directly to the military. So it ends. Up on top of whatever they've the 12. Percent, Yeah. It ends up being 1/3 of the USS annual budget, 1/3 is going directly 30. 3% that we know of. That we know of. See, that's the thing. We really need to make some fucking tinfoil hats, because every time we make a a comment like this, we need to put on our tinfoil hat and just be like, OK, so I do think that it's more than 1/3 like there's no way. So all this money has to go somewhere. And there are only so many, like, you know, guns, tanks, outfits, I mean uniforms.

12:12 Not out outfits? You're hilarious. Shut up. Like, yeah, whatever uniforms that these branches need. So when you're fighting a war of being the world's most popular, you need to pull out all the stops and any rumor you may hear, you act on. So you hear that someone's doing something you. Act on. You act on. Act on it. Marvin just wants to join. Oh, go ahead. So in 1970, some intelligence officers get word that Russia is putting a ton of money into psychotronic research. Psychotronic What is psychotronic? It's like psychic.

12:54 Oh, it's a term for psychic research. I think it's like just one of those old words and and also like it's like one of those things where like, oh, it's not psychic research, it's psychotic because like also it's electronic or something. I don't know, Makes it sound a lot more legit. Well, yeah, I mean, not to digress, but they yeah, we're going to, am I going to talk about it in the coming episodes? Sort of. I'm going to mention it. But they put them in these electron, the psychics in these electronic devices, sort of speak that allows them to do psychic things.

13:37 So maybe that's how they came. Up with psychic. Yes. Oh, interesting. Twinsies. Totally twinsies. So. In our next. That's how they came up with Psychotronic. It must, yeah. It had to have been, because at that time, like, that's when electronics are really taking off, right? Yeah. Yeah. Computers aren't taking up. I mean, they're still taking up whole rooms. And they're not gonna really just say we're some psychics. Yeah, yeah, they make it a little more fancy. Yeah, make it a little bit more fancy. And once again, you're against Russia. You hear Russias doing it. Yeah. And the US is like anything you can do I. Can do better. I can do anything better than you. Exactly.

14:18 So the US decided to start rounding up money for this psychotronic research. And so research at Stanford began. And instead of calling people psychics, they called them remote viewers. Uh, huh. Yes. Yes. So have you heard of remote viewing? I certainly have. OK. Yes, this ties into exactly what I was talking about. So, and that's going to be our next episode. So it's almost like a maybe a continuation of this episode. And we did not plan this. No, I love how it. Works and I'm not going to, I won't dive a deep into it, but but we are going to talk about it and how it worked better with twins. When you had twins that would connect this, you can do this remote viewing and you'd have one twin in Russia, 1 twin in the United States, and the twin in Russia is showing the twin in the United States. All this shit.

15:10 Interesting. Oh my God, I'm so excited for that one because this is going to be like, probably a different side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, So yeah, remote viewing. It's actually kind of like A at that point the government decided to change the word for psychic. It's a fancy term for psychic. They they didn't want people to think that they were cuckoo and and have psychics on the payroll and. If you say psychic, yeah, exactly. You're like, oh, here we go. Discretionary spending, like psychic. Yeah, no remote viewer. What is that? Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

15:50 It's like one of those bullshit job titles, right? So this is very, very similar to what they've done with UFOs. Now, UFOs are not called UFOs. They're Uaps, not unidentified flying objects, because there's such a stigma attached to it. It's an unidentified. Yep, exactly. Aerial phenomenon. Yeah, Unidentified aerial phenomenon, which is basically the same fucking thing. It's the exact same thing. It's just like, we're gonna change that. It's. Just not in 1950s you have. That, Yeah, exactly. So we have researchers, and these researchers are actually at Stanford, Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff.

16:37 OK, we'll just call them Russell and Harold. And they said that in order for these people to actually join, they had to have a 65% accuracy rate to join like this project. And this is before the project is official. This is like just the initial researching at the Stanford Institute. So, So the clients were, or excuse me that they're tested, they tested a lot of people including Uri Geller. Have you heard of Uri Geller? Don't know, Yeah, doesn't sound familiar.

17:19 When I tell you a little bit more about Yuri, you'll for sure know. Yeah, so he, he was like the most infamous one. And at this point, in about 1972, the Department of Defense sees that there is like a success rate with these individuals, the remote viewers. So they start paying closer attention to this. And an Air Force psychologist sees the success and asked a fellow psychologist at the University of Oregon to go to the Stanford Research Institute and investigate. And specifically, he tasked him to look at Yuri Geller.

17:59 So Yuri, I said you, you will know all about him. He's actually still alive today. And OK, do you remember the there was a guy who could bend spoons with his mind? Yes. You remember that? Yes, that's him. It is. That's him. Yeah. And he was all over talk shows like this. Yes. Like in the 80s and 90s and 70s. So when you look him up, the search results show that he's actually a musician and a magician and that he believes he's a psychic. But they don't, They say like. That's so. Was it an illusion? Is that what people argue? I So if you ask him, he's psychic. What does it have to do with bending spoons? Right, exactly.

18:47 He's infamous. We'll we'll see. Like, this dude is infamous. He's from Israel. And before coming out as a psychic, he was a paratrooper in the Israeli army. He did see some action. He was injured during like a battle in Israel. It's actually mandatory for people to serve in the military. Yes, yes, yes. And that's all I wanted to say, a positive about him. So there we go. You go Yuri, you did your thing. So during these experiment experiments, they that Oregon University professor, his name's Ray Hyman. He actually goes and looks at Yuri Geller and he discovers that Geller was a complete fraud and as a consequence both of our the guys who were handling the the the whole experiment at the Stanford Institute, he they both lost their government contract. OK so and OK so they I don't know why but like this guy Geller and or but Geller and Targ, they both really liked each other and they would not stop working with him. With Yuri Geller the the spoon bending dude, he just believed that he was like.

20:09 Even though he was completely defrauded. Yes. And people were like, no, this guy is a total idiot. They're like, no, no, no, he's for real. We need to like go around show him and like try to get money ourselves. So they are touting his abilities and of course Yuri was very happy to oblige. This led him to be televised in 1973 on the biggest late night show, The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. That was the biggest one. You wanted to be a success like that was like that's where you go. It was infamous like and Johnny Carson is also a performer. The dude has some a background in magic and being a magician. Oh, so is was that the the guys in which he, Johnny Carson wanted him, do you think?

21:01 I think that they had just like heard about him, that he was doing like the Stanford Research Institute. They needed someone like. Interesting. To go in on so he he goes and I actually have a clip and it's going to be in the show notes below for this episode. But Kevin and I are going to watch this episode and then we're going to talk. Or this part of this clip. Yes, and I'll put the time stamp that you wanna watch from for Yuri, but we'll be right back and we're gonna talk about it. Perfect. Yay. So we are back after watching the Johnny Carson episode, which if you guys had watched, you will understand why I did not want to put this on the podcast. Yeah, that would have been painful to be like driving. Listening.

21:54 Listening. Yeah, that would. Have been painful. It's like it's like one of those things where you're sitting there and it's just like, OK. You need to watch the Yeah, you really need to watch it. You have to watch it. You can't just listen to it. And we came right back to We didn't even talk about it. We didn't. Although. We shut it off. We came back. I wanted to excuse. Me, I just burped. Thank you. Champagne. No. While we were watching it, yeah. I wanted to say so many things to you and get your thought process, but I have. Well did. You see me rolling my. I rolled my eyes a few times. Yes, I actually I heard. Your eyes rolled to the back of your head. It was amazing.

22:35 I've never heard that before. It was crazy. OK, so just like kind of a description. Whether or not you're going to watch it, I'd say definitely watch it, of course. But but I'll give you the synopsis. So Johnny Carson show, it was televised live, FYI, so they only had so much of the show left once Yuri actually got on it. And Yuri? OK, so they're already running behind on this particular show. That's just like a taboo Yuri. While he was doing these experiments, he asked for specific items to use. I told you before, he's known as the spoon Bender. And this was prior to the episode, right? He's telling them these are the things you can or should have, which was kind of sorry to interrupt you. It was weird.

23:33 It was he they they brought, they mentioned to the fact that these are some of the items that they had done before or that they had mentioned or something. But then during this the show he's acts as though he was surprised that they brought these out and he and ultimately wished they wouldn't because he would rather have answered the 30 questions that they had given him ahead of time O40 excuse me as opposed to doing these things. OK, so yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna get to. He would ask. He'd have a list of items. One of them were film canisters.

24:14 OK, so we don't use film canisters anymore. And at that point, these were metal. Canisters. Metal. When I remember taking pictures. Plastic. It was plastic, you know, And that's. The little black ones. With the yellow black ones or they'd have like the clear ones too towards the end, but like my grandmother would use them as like pill like vitamin folders. Whatever. Yeah, these were full on nice metal like. Metal. They kind of looked like like a tea strainer, like a bigger tea strainer. But they're like that kind of cylindrical. Like, maybe, Yeah, solid, maybe like 2-2 inches high. Yeah, like, maybe like.

24:56 They seem just like a little bit bigger, if you can think of a film canister. Just seems like just a little bit bigger than that. For some people don't know what a film canister. True. So yeah, so I I was a good point. So imagine a cylinder maybe an inch around and an inch and a half to two inches. Tall like think of like AD battery. AD battery. There you go. Yeah, that's about the size. There you go. So, and they're hollow, There's nothing inside of them, but they have like a lid and A and an actual container. So you have you screw on the lid and it's like, I don't know, kind of like aluminum or something? Yeah, like aluminum. So then he had some clocks. Some, like pocket watches, didn't do anything with that. He also had spoons.

25:36 He talked about them but didn't do anything. He didn't do anything with about them. He did say that the way that he found out his powers, his like psychic powers, was he was able to move the hands of a of his watch and ours, that he could move them without touching it, without winding it or or touching it at all. It would move. And then also the way that he could found out that he could bend metal was because one of the hands were bent that's under glass. Under glass, yes, so that's what he had said now when he gave the prop master. A prop master is like someone who is in charge of all the items that are going to be used on a stage. When he gave the prop master the list of items that he would need, one of the items were for the spoons were aluminum spoons. He didn't say any kind of spoon.

26:32 It was specifically an aluminum spoon. Now when Yuri came out, do you remember? He said he looked at the prop table or like the table that had all of his props on it and he said, oh, you guys are making me nervous. Do you remember him saying that? It's like this is making me nervous and it's the spoons were not aluminum. Is that what it was? I think that's what threw him off, 'cause that's one of the more fantastical, like, items that he can actually bend or drastically. Yes. And if you think about it, think about an aluminum can. Oh yeah, pretty easy to bend loop, right? Now what? He also didn't know because he didn't do as. Fuck.

27:12 Sorry to interrupt, Not to interrupt, but when you if you had an aluminum spoon, especially a thin one, and you will rub it back and forth. Just applying pressure honestly. Would bend it. Would bend it. For sure. I mean, think about when you're having a soda or a beer or something. Yeah, or a white claw, whatever. Whatever. Your pick, your poison. But like if you just like barely push your thumb into it, you're gonna leave an indentation. Now, aluminum spoons are a little thicker than that, but but not by much. Not by much. It's still pretty pliable. So he had actually asked for an aluminum spoon and was not given.

27:54 An is that why? Because there was engraved? Didn't they mention something that spoon was engraved? Had said something on the spoon or something. He was like hung, I think if you're asking me, he came out. He looked at the spoons, which is the most fantastical, like, big thing that. He and realized he couldn't do. It and realized he would not be able to bend it because he didn't have enough time to do it right. And he knew the show was running behind. So this was a live broadcast that they were doing and they knew they only had so much time left. And so he was like dragging it out. I thought so. So when the the first item that he started to do was there was like 10 canisters, those film canisters that were aluminum D battery size.

28:43 One of them had water in them, the other ones, the other nine did not. And so he did, by process of elimination, and he literally put his hand on top. Not on top, like he wasn't touching, but hovering over to try to feel the water right. I did just. Like my eyes started rolling. Right, right. And he and Johnny Carson. He was messing with the wrong bitch that day. OK, can we were talking about this like while we were watching it? The shade, The shade that Johnny Carson was giving Yuri Geller during this fucking interview. It was chef's kiss.

29:29 Beautiful. I love that. Dude, one time here he goes. Well, I got rid of three. And then Johnny Carson goes and there's seven laugh. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, Oh my God. He's like, yeah, I'm just not like he said something along the lines like, I'm just not feeling it or or or you're supposed to ask me questions or something. And he had another retort. Yeah, like, oh good God love. It it was uncomfortable. It was uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. And what I think was happening was Yuri was trying to drag out. No. OK, I think Yuri was trying to drag out the time because he knew that they're running behind. Well, and he kept saying, this is the other thing like if you don't start off your, I don't want to say presentation, but you don't want to start your thing off by saying, you know, sometimes I do get it wrong and sometimes I'm just, I can't feel it and sometimes I just can't do it. And if you don't want to start off that way. No.

30:32 OK, like we're all human. PO Betty's nerfect. Nobody's perfect. However, you don't walk on to live television. The Johnny Carson Show, which was Golly, is there anything that's like that? Was it like, is there anything that's even like close to that right now? I don't think so. I can't think of none of the late night shows that's. What made him? That's what brought you into the light. Yes, yeah. Started your career. It started your career and like there were only like 3 fucking channels or whatever, right? Like it's not like you had hundreds of channels. So many things. Yeah, so ever. I want to tune in like it was one of the few things that would be broadcasted at that time. So, like, everyone was paying attention anyway. I'm gonna go on to Johnny Carson and go, hi, I'm a comedian, so sometimes my jokes don't land and sometimes I'm not Funny, please.

31:30 Yuri, get your shit together. No, exactly. Like that's that's the thing. Like, you don't go out there. If you're going on to Johnny Carson, you're a psychic. You have to psychic. Yeah, be a psychic. Like, OK then, like get some low hanging fruit. Like if you're not feeling it, you're like the spirits, not with you. Whatever. I don't fucking know what it is. Like whatever it is, it's like, don't like sit there and you know say that like you can't do it. Like you're on the biggest show, like try to make something happen. So one of the other guests who is actually the guy from Fantasy Island, did you ever watch that show? Yeah, that the the lead guy in fantasy, the tall one. That's. I couldn't tell who that was Him. That was him, yeah.

32:11 I love Fantasy Island. If you guys if you guys can watch Fantasy, he would. He's so great. And then there's Duplain Duplain. What's? His name? Good God Tattoo. Tattoo. Yeah. Anyways, definitely worth worth watching. It's probably a kind of offensive, but whatever. It was like really great show at the time and I still like it. Anyways, go to this island, fantasy, blah blah blah. You can have anything that you want. Bad stuff always happened. But he was on the show and he was standing sitting right next to Yuri on the, you know, in the chairs. And so Yuri says, OK, hold on to this spoon, Put it on flat on your hands. So he has the spoon.

32:52 And remember, we talked about it, He had asked for aluminum spoons. He was not given aluminum, aluminum spoons. So the moment when he walks out, he's like, oh, you guys make me nervous. Like all of this makes me nervous because he was not given what he wanted. So he starts putting his hands, like hovering them. Very closely back up. So he had the guy put the hand, the spoon in one hand and his other hand, he hasn't put his finger on the spoon and then he's. Then Yuri takes his hands and hovers over the guy's finger, who is over the spoon, who is in his palm and hovers and waves and waves and says other than my body heat, do you feel pressure on, you know, pushing down?

33:38 And he says yes. Yeah, and we're watching it. We're watching it and he says I'm not seeing anything happening drastically, but he has the guy take his hand off the spoon and you do in fact see a bit of a dent. Yes, in the spoon. You actually do see a bit of a dent in the spoon. There's A and it's a small one, right? It's not very dramatic. No. Johnny Carson is not impressed. Not impressed, Not impressed. But now. So I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and I go, well, if if it was a normal spoon, there's no way you could create that dent. Like you can't create that little bit of a of a a a a slope, a a little curve in a solid spoon. You just can't do it.

34:31 It would. It would V It would almost V. Sure do. You say I'm saying as opposed to like this gradual slope of a finger. But if you have someone who's putting their hand closer and closer to your hand, you might press down. It's the I. If you're asking me, it's the power of suggestion. Is it possible? Have you ever seen a magician like live? Have you had them do things to you? Well, like you know. Yes, I have. OK. Yes. So when I was a kid, I saw a magician and they said hold your hand really, really tight, as tight as you possibly can.

35:13 And I held it really, really tight. Really, really tight. Until you killed the bird. No, you crushed the bird's hand. And I'm just kidding. I wish. No, and actually I don't wish. But you know what I mean? So I held it really, really tight. And he said, now open up your hand. And there was a ball inside of it. OK. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. So what I think is he had this like thing and I'm a sweaty ass person. Well, it's because he had put the ball in your hand already. Before, and I had no idea about it, right It's a slip. It's the slip of the hand. Also, if you're pushing down and you want to make this was painful for my friends to watch this interview was. I mean, you want to feel good about yourself. You want to cringe like watch this fucking this like interview with the Johnny Carson cause Johnny Carson is calling his shit out. He is a He is like he is giving him all the snark. So is this before or after?

36:04 So was this appearance on Johnny Carson before or after he was called out as a fraud? This was after he was called out as a fraud. So when they had like Project Star to get hit started, they had some money. They started doing that research at Stanford Institute. And Yuri Geller was like one of the Star pupils because he was doing these extreme things like, you know, bending spoons, all this shit. So a lot of people are paying attention to him. That's why our University of Oregon professor came in and the Air Force psychologist was like, hey, check out this Yuri Geller guy because, like red flags are going up in my head. Can you please go and check it out? Because you're an outside source, you're you know, if it were me saying it, it could be issues with my career, blah, blah, blah.

36:51 So he ends up doing that studies. Urine is like, yeah, this guy's a fraud. This guy's not legit. This is most certainly something that we cannot fucking explain. So so this was after because those researchers were like no, Yuri's the real deal. They, like, were really hitching their cart to this train wreck, you know, of a dude. And they really believed that he was real. They really believed in him. Now, another thing to note about Yuri is like he's very attractive. He was very, very handsome. Super handsome like he even has like his little like.

37:33 He has little 70s like chest showing. Yes. And his chest looks great. And like, his hair is great. And like, he's very, like, he's like olive, like, like skin tone. Like very, like very handsome man. Yeah, very. And you could tell us he was like having the conversation that he was charismatic. Yeah. So those kinds of people. Attractive. Charismatic. Yes, get away with a lot. Get away with so much shit. Yeah. Thank you, Yuri. So Yuri comes in and they are hitching their freaking, you know, they're hitching themselves to them, to this guy. They're like, we believe he's the real deal. So they're trying to get more money to do more research with Yuri. And because they, it ran out, right, like the government's like we're not funding you.

38:15 We're not funding him for sure. But they're like, well, we still want to study with him. So that's where he started going on all these talk shows. He was, I swear to God, he was on like Sally Jesse Raphael. I love Sally Jesse Raphael. And who's the other guy? No, the guy with the white hair. Oh, Donahue. Donahue. Phil Donahue. I loved. I loved both of them. I love Sally Jessie cause of her. She was fabulous anyways so I swear to God he was on that. But he is a total fucking fraud. You hear Yuri Geller you like, and you know about spin bending because of that, however. Yeah, wasn't was not impressed by that interview at all. No, no.

39:01 So you don't You don't really like him, huh? I wanted to. I wanted. I wanted to and I wanted to go, oh guys, you guys are just being skeptics. And no, no, that was just shenanigans. You know, Yuri was like super stoked to like, yeah, you guys believe in me, cool. Like, yeah, I'll go on these television shows. But he even was like quoted after the Johnny Carson show. He's like, I was let. I was out there sweating and you can see the sweat like if you guys watch the the actual like, I don't know. What he thought he could get away with that like. Johnny Carson was a magician. He did magic. So if you saw like Uri Geller was even like, you're making me nervous, 'cause he keeps on changing the angles that he's watching this dude from and he 'cause he knows all the tricks, you're not getting anything past him. So he as soon as he goes on, he just keeps on saying, like, oh, sometimes you can't perform.

39:59 Oh, this table's making me nervous. It's like, OK, sometimes you can't perform. We've all heard that the excuses are laid and you know, he ends up being kind of shown out as a fraud. This does not necessarily stop the dude, OK? The dude continues to go on all these talk shows right after he was on another late night show or another like. Popular show as he thought, oh, I'm not going to be on anything. No, they wanted him even more. And so like that's how you know about him is through like these television shows, 'cause it was interesting, it was fun. It was like extreme. And I'm sure they gave them, they gave him his aluminum freaking spoons that he wanted, which, you know, unfortunately.

40:44 So one thing I did want to say, like you know as far as the project went, when it wasn't, it wasn't when it was passed, like the research stage of it. They had different aspects of it that were approved and funded yearly. OK, so every and the reviews are actually made semi annual at the the Senate and the House committee level. So these results of the psychics were reviewed and remote viewing was attempted with the results being kept secret from the viewer. So like let's say they had some Intel about a spy or something, they're like where is the spy?

41:31 So they thought that if they, if the viewer was shown the shown that they were incorrect, that it would damage the the viewer's actual confidence and skill. So like they didn't tell these viewers whether or not they're right or wrong when they had like the information. And it was actually the standard operating procedure for years of this military. Sorry. So now was he one of these remote viewers? He initially, initially he was one of the remote viewers, yeah. And then he was kind of kicked out of the project. But this motherfucker went on into everything. So when you look at Project Stargate, Yuri Geller's name is so synonymous with it. Right. Well, sure, 'cause he was the public fraud. He was the public fraud.

42:15 Yeah, Gotcha. OK. And so, so these remote viewers, so they're not as telling. So that's scary. So these remote viewers are supposed to be doing stuff for the government? Yes, they're given like pieces of information. Like here's a picture of a man. Please tell. Me where he is. Yeah, and they would say this is where he is. Would you imagine they could probably go or they would go. I'm making this up. Sure. Like, look, so did they attach to a person? Like, how did so like, was it like, show me what's going on in the Kremlin?

42:56 Tell me what's going on in the Kremlin right now? Or was it more like they had attached to a, a, A? It was. Both. It was both. So, like, so one of the things that they had discovered was, OK, well, one of the things during that time, they're like, OK, even internally, like, where is this spy? Our spy? Like, where is this spy at? And they'd show a picture of this was the spy's information. Where is that? There is a woman who said he's in. I think she said Level Wyoming, that's where this guy is. Here's his picture. She looked at him, did like, I don't know, whatever she needed to do, and said he's in Level Wyoming. Turns out he was actually in Lowell, Wyoming, But out of all the potential places he could have been, she was just shown like his information.

43:44 She didn't know anything else and she she miscommunicated or what she said was sometimes the information comes in and I misinterpret it. So like she misinterpreted the information so that it was it was wrong instead of level it was lower. So they ended up finding him because of her information. Gotcha. So it it was really to try to get any unknown people information, events like is this, are they, is this Intel correct? But the problem with these remote viewers was they were not being told whether or not they're right there or wrong. So it's like they had no idea whether or not they were correct.

44:25 Well. I guess I couldn't kind of playing devil's advocate, like, why do they need to know? Because I don't know, like, I almost kind of feel like it could potentially be a compass. Like if you're totally on, you should know that you're on, like if I'm doing work. With my job, like if like, especially for that, we'll use that example that you just gave us a minute ago. Like if she would have known that it wasn't level that was Lowell, then maybe next time she would know how whatever she had to translate to get to level, she knows it was Lowell, so maybe she can translate it. Differently. Yes, exactly. Yeah, maybe she could, like, read or interpret it. It's like when you don't have any kind of feedback, it's really hard to be accurate.

45:09 And I think in that situation it's really hard. So anyways it it could be anything. And this was during like military and domestic intelligence program programs like or events, so internal and then external, mainly the Kremlin, mainly Russia. So some of these intelligence applications viewers were actually they claim to sense things in the future, which is really interesting. Now how do we measure that? How do we measure future? Does it happen? Does it not happen, you know? Do you know, would they call it out as such or did they just not know?

45:53 Like would they go, for example, would they go, hey, this is happening in the future or would they go this thing and then they'd be like they don't know if that was in the, you know what I mean like. Yeah, I think they, they would say that it was happening in the future, Yeah, but it's like. What? It seems so dangerous, especially if they were frauds. If they were frauds and like we're spending all this money on it or which is like the best case scenario, right? Worst case scenario, you have people talking shit or like, or they have their own like, reasons to claim something like they have a vendetta against whomever, right? So this program continues into the 1980s and they had a lot of names for this project and it was integrated into different ones, which grill Flame Center Lane. Project Sunstreak was another freaking name of it into the 1990s.

46:56 They see there was an individual, Edwin May who controlled as 70% of the contractor funds and 85% of of the data ultimately. Basically what's happened and it altered from so it was the security attached to it was it was altered from the special access program to the limited dissemination, which means it was kind of downgraded a little bit and it was given its final a name. That's when it actually was named Stargate. In 1995, the project was closed. The bill there was a defense appropriations bill directed at the program that it be transferred from the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, which isn't within the defense program, to CIA oversight.

47:44 And the CIA actually had a report commissioned by the American Institutes for Research and they found that remote viewing had not been proven to work by a by a psychic mechanism and that it it wasn't, they said that it wasn't used operationally, so they classified or they declassified and cancelled the program. Now if you're asking some people who are involved in it, they say this is not the full story. The what ended up happening was they just ended this program. The psychics who are actually working, you will not hear about of. Course not.

48:27 Yeah, they are still working for the CIA. They just. On a program that no longer exists. Exactly. Sure, there's a lot of like speculation and people who are disproving it and using Uri Geller as like the main, like the main person is to like, Oh yeah, this is the bullshit like program. But there are other civilian personnel who are actually involved in this program who are coming out and they're like, no, no, no, I worked on that. And actually we were accurate. Like we found a lot of information. There was a woman who actually I told you about the one who found the spy or the spy, the US spy.

49:10 There was another one they're talking about who had found a nuclear weapon that was in on a plane that had crashed. They found the crash by doing that. So you know, here's the thing, we have a ton of folks that you can, you can look at that ultimately say, yeah, this is, this was something that was accurate. We found spies. We had intelligence. Should the government have access to this? Like knowledge? Should they like? From my perspective, I don't know if we should even have a program like that because you have two factions who are fucking playing popularity contest against each other.

49:58 People say the Soviets were actually trying to fuck over the US and saying yeah, yeah, I know we have like psychics on the on the pay grade and like in reality they actually didn't. Was that what was happening? Is this something that actually was legitimate, that we did have psychics that were being used every day and we just never heard about them? Because the declassified information that was released was never, it was never really like it was part, still part of the classified information. I'm, I'm in that camp. I'm in that camp too. Of course we hear about Yuri Geller. Of course. The first project or the first individual that we hear about even in the Wikipedia article that you're looking at about Project Stargate, is Uri Geller a total fraud.

50:41 Yes, this dude was a total fraud. You know, clearly a total fraud. Yeah, like, he, like, failed, like miserably. I mean, he still is living today and is a musician as well and a magician and he believes A psychic. But like, you know, is this something that that we can look at and say these black budget, you know, military departments, there's no any way that the military thinks they can get a slight edge. They're gonna take it. And I personally think like, you know, trying to cover a a topic like Project Stargate, it's interesting to know that the United States military is interested in psychics and knows that there could be some value behind it. I mean, this project lasted for over 20 years and it was dissolved into the CIA.

51:34 Like it goes from the Defense Department into the CIA, which is even has like even more black budget shit and is able to hide things better. Like it's a no brainer for me. In our next episode, we're going to talk about CIA. There's CIA dude. Fucked up. Dude, they've got so much shit going on like they are, dude. Like they've got OK yeah I I. It's onions. Onions upon onions. Levels and levels and layers and layers, Yes. They're they're they're doing so much with so many different facets of things that we don't even understand. And in in our our episode in a couple of weeks, we're going to talk about another thing that the CIA has is doing, has done and they've been doing since the 40s, weird shit like that. And it's just, you know, things we don't understand, but like legit stuff that they will debunk. Yes.

52:42 That everyone will debunk. They will debunk because they don't want anyone to know about it. No, but we yeah, like, like we were saying, they will never tell us. We never know about the successes and the things that actually were avoided because of a project or a psychic or whatever, period. We'll never know about it. I thought this would be a good episode to kind of talk about, to get like a basis in remote viewing because there are individuals that I really want to talk about specifically that have helped out and helped out during past wars. We're talking World War 2 that we're on the government's, you know? That's a good that's a good segue.

53:22 We need to we definitely need to do an episode where we actually talk about not the crazy, dumb frauds, but the legit yes, peeps. I and I have that. I I wanted to talk about how, you know the government does have black budgets and we don't know where the money's going towards, but just showing that they put this much money towards a dude who was a potential fraud, like I think it's important to cover so but this was a it was a fun episode to kind of talk about. Yeah. And I think, you know, I think that we have like a good basis to talk about for our next episode. I. Agree. Meanwhile, we do have a listener. Oh. We're going to listen to something fun, too. Yes, yeah, a listener who is asking for advice. So we're going to share that before we do share that I if you guys want to once again go on to our website andthebazaaraf.com and submit your question or you know, give us a call. I said at the top of the episode what the phone number was. But but also if you have advice for this person because they are asking for advice, yeah, please share it with us, share it with us and we will.

54:32 We'll share it. We'll share it on. Yeah, you can put comments on a Spotify. If you use a Spotify user, you can do comments in on the episode there. You can go to our website like she's. Go to our Instagram, go to our anywhere. Contact us on our website, leave us a voicemail, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, let's listen to this question. Hey fam, I love the podcast and value your opinions, so I wanted to reach out to get your thoughts on a pretty delicate subject that is an ongoing topic of conversation in my household. I have a 13 LB ish dog that I want to get taxidermied.

55:15 I think it's totally normal. Why don't people do this more often? Taxidermy pets, keep them forever, right on your bedside table, 'cause that's what I plan to do with my guy. He he hasn't kicked it yet. He's got some dementia, some hearing loss, blurred vision, I'm sure. But yeah, I'm thinking the taxidermy is in his future. Is this bizarre as fuck, or is this is this a new trend? Maybe I don't know, so let me know your thoughts. Well, first of all, thanks Jacqueline for that great comment. Yes. Thank you, Jacqueline. Second of all, I think you are a crazy bitch.

55:58 Second of all, like bedside table taxidermy. You crazy I. Don't know what are you gonna do? You're gonna be like, OK, put on my like, I have an entire routine before I go to bed. Put on my sleep mask like eye mask. Put on my linage lip mask and. Then kiss your taxidermy dog. Kiss my kiss my taxidermy dog good night. Love ya. So let's. So let's dissect this question. First of all, I love my pets so damn much that I can't. I can't.

56:39 I can't say that what she's doing is crazy. No. Because, I mean, I love my dogs to dad. Do you have a favorite? Well, see, we've Roy and I have had two. We had two Dalmatians, Lucy and Ricky. Suck you up. And now we and Ricky with an eye 'cause they're both girls. Oh yeah. And now we have Marvin and Gizmo, and I love them all equally. OK, but right now? OK, if I no, I don't have a favorite. I know you have. Yeah, you Marvin. For sure. Marvin's the one who's been in this episode. If you guys have been watching.

57:19 Yeah, Marvin his. Popping and popping in and out. Yes, yeah, he's been. Very needy. Today he has. So I I get it. I I personally wouldn't do it. OK. But I get it, yes. Although how come you don't taxidermy? Sorry, this is gonna get gruesome and really. Deep. But like, what if your child died? Would you taxidermy your child? No hail. Well. Well, it's probably illegal. Yeah, I think it's illegal. But they do have like forms of embalming. And people will like in different countries, they'll have their embalmed loved ones, like living, like technically living with them for a while, like for a period. Yeah, it's actually one of the topics that I have on our topic. List.

58:10 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait. So they will embalm the loved one. I wonder if we could try to get him a mortician or something on here. I think we probably could. I know some. Folks, and then this dead, embalmed person will be in the household for some period of time. Yeah, or they'll even be embalmed. Yes. They'll be like in the household, like embalmed in a fashion that they would have been living. So like, I think if this is in like South America or Mexico where I saw one and even embalming like as they would be in their lifetime. So there was one guy who really loved his motorcycle. I wonder if he died on his motorcycle. I don't know, fucking know. I'm just making that up. But like he was posed on his motorcycle like a crotch rocket, kind of 1 posed on it with his like sunglasses on and everything.

58:57 But like his crotch, Rocket was like standing and he was like on it posed in a way that he would have been riding and like people went to the funeral with. Him on his crotch rocket. Yes, yes. Oh my God. Yeah, which is crazy. So like human stuff can potentially happen. And like and some some cultures, people will have their loved ones dead and they're like mummified remains will be living with or they'll like bring them out like every year and have them with them because they're not like a symbolizing like they've never really left. Like they still are honoring their loved one and like they have a seat at the table. Gotcha.

59:42 Right, like an actual seat at the table, even though they're rigor mortis and like all bones or whatever, you know? Like I said, I can't. I can't blame her for doing it and wanting to do it. I think it's great. You say you would not do it. But I don't think I would personally do it, no. What if you really wanted? Not that kind of like I don't need the physical. Like me personally, I just don't need that physical thing. What? Would you do when your Dalmatians passed away? They were cremated. OK, do you still have their cremate cremains? No, they were spread. Oh, OK. Nice. Yeah. By you. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. Oh, cool. I was like, no, you're just like you told the vet. You're like, whatever, Do whatever. Yeah, throw them in a fucking.

1:00:28 What would you would you taxidermy? OK, this is going to be really morbid. OK, So I think my like my Cal Oliver who I love to death. He's not very smart, but he is just so, so sweet. That's how I like him anyways. Yeah. Dumb and sweet. Yeah. Just really, really dumb, but like, needy. Dave, don't listen to this, actually. He's like so not dumb, but like whatever. Anyways, he's so soft so like I could see. Oh my God, you are not going there.

1:01:09 Like I that is. No, no, stop it. I have success. I've said this to Dave. I'm like, we're actually talking about Cruella on the break and like, OK, there was a time like, Oh my God, why would you ever skin Dalmatians? That's awful. I was like, I want the coat, but I'm like, honestly, his fur is so soft. Like would I want to pet him again if I knew the? Him. But don't you don't have to stuff him, because this is gonna be hard. Oh my God, I'm sorry, but you think skinning is less weird than taxidermy? Yes, because then you can pet pet a soft fur as opposed to this stuffed hard animal. What if we could put like the bean bag material and then it's like not super like Steph like?

1:02:10 And then you And then you can pose them like with their little legs crossed on her little chair. Yes, I think like, Oh my God, this is so fucked up. But, like, you know, OK, you don't have cramps, But like, I get cramps occasionally. And like, they make these things, like out of rice or like beans or whatever, that you can heat up in the microwave and then put it on your lower stomach and it's soothes. It's like Jacqueline, I'm Lithia, Girl, I'm with you. I think you should get your fucking dog stuffed. Stuff that dog, OK? I say skin that dog and cremate and then cremate and spread it in the world. And then you still have a pet, A furry fur. OK.

1:02:55 And then you can make a bean bag out. Of there then you can then you can have somebody. But if you have like the skeletal remains like, it would probably be more like. Oh my God, Marvin. Speaking of shaking. Oh my gosh, 'cause Marvin knows that we're talking shit about stuffing him. Oh my God. That's why he's like he knows he's psychic. He's in Project Stargate. Yeah, but I I I think she should do it, alright. She should do it. Alright, Jacqueline. Go. You have permission to text determine your dog. Yeah, at least from a stamp of approval. All right, Well, if you guys have any other questions and you want to want us to talk about them, feel free to leave us a voicemail on our website.

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