Psychics paid by the government

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I'm Alicia, your Hostess for
today's episode.

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And as always, we ask that you
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Psychics paid by the government.

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The Well, hello Kevin, My Boo.
How are you?

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Hey baby girl, how you doing?
I'm good.

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Yeah, it's.
Been a hot minute.

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It's been a hot minute.
Yeah, I think, I mean I'm just

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gonna, I'm gonna come out and
say it especially to our people

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that I know listen to this on
regular basis.

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We're a little late, sorry.
We're day late.

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But you know what?
Also, we it had to be a little

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bit late.
It's the holidays.

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Yeah, it's Christmas time.
Girl got things to do.

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Exactly.
You know we need.

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You guys are important but.
You guys are, like, super

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important, right?
We just don't have our shit

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together.
No, I'm kidding.

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I'm kidding.
No, that's.

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True.
You know what?

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We can admit when we're wrong.
Right?

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True.
So hashtag truth.

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Hashtag truth.
So.

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Well, one.
Happy Holidays.

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Thanks.
Happy holidays to you too.

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Let's do a little.
Yeah, a little cheesy.

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I did bring actual champagne.
And it's tasty.

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It's tasty.
You know what?

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There's honestly nothing greater
than champagne.

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It's just it's so easy to drink
and you know, it's quick, go to

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taste delish.
Taste.

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Delish, but also like I look.
I'm like, OK, am I like a little

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hoity toity?
Well.

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Maybe, yes.
Am I a little extra?

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Are we a little extra?
Sometimes?

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Yes, we are.
And you know what?

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We know?
Quality.

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Thank you.
Champagne.

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Yeah.
This episode sponsored by

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Champagne.
Oh my God, are you kidding me?

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I would love that.
Yeah.

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Can somebody who sells champagne
please sponsor us?

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Thank you.
Yes, Yeah, we would be happy to

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do a whole episode on champagne
on your champagne.

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We can find some weird shit to
talk.

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About Oh yeah, for sure.
So I thought we actually have a

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voicemail that a a listener
called in and left, which we.

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I know that we don't mention
this a lot.

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We don't.
Should, probably should, yeah,

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yeah.
But on our website,

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thebazaaraf.com, that you can go
to the website, click on the

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yellow mic in the lower right or
the lower right corner and then

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you can just record a direct
voicemail.

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You can also just call our phone
number which is 9703643 3663 you

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can.
Make a little Jingle, 364-3663.

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Yes.
You know what, Kevin, you need

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to for sure do that.
So when you call up, we're not

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gonna answer the phone, but you
can leave a voicemail and I

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thought that we would do that.
We were talking about this

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before.
We'll we'll cover the call at

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the end of the podcast.
Yeah.

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What I will say it's a good
question.

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It's a good question.
If it's our jam, let's just say

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it's totally our jam.
It's weird AF, bizarre AF.

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It's our jam.
Yeah.

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And yeah, you want to stick
around and listen.

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Definitely.
Definitely.

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So, OK, moving forward, did you
ever see the movie Men Who Stare

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At Goats?
Men who Stare at goats No.

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I know, it sounds really weird,
right?

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How old is this movie?
You know what, I think it came

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out in like 2005 or something
like that.

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OK, no, this is new to me.
Star-studded cast.

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Like really?
I believe like George Clooney

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was in it.
Like it was like a huge movie.

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It won some awards.
Wow.

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I have not seen it.
New for me, so I have.

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No idea, but it is weird and
it's actually what our topic

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today is based on, which is
Project Stargate.

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Have you heard of Project
Stargate?

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Does it have anything to do with
Stargate like the Stargate like

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that I'm thinking?
Of the series, Yes, I wish

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because that would be so.
Cool.

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So cool.
No, it just like had it had that

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name.
That's what they called this

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like government project.
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But gosh, OK.
So if you haven't seen like

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Stargate, the show they had like
these big old like.

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And there were ancient, ancient,
like rings.

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Yes, that you would walk through
and it would basically be like a

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transportation right of like a
different world, different time

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that kind of thing all over.
Yeah, and if if you saw the

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original movie, it actually they
raw.

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The God RAW.
The God Raw was really.

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I don't know if he's the even
necessary the inventor, but he

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would use these and this is how
he helped.

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This is why the pyramids
existed, so he could land his

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ship.
Those ships for those pyramids

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are the same size as this ship.
Ancient aliens.

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Hello.
Hello.

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What were we doing before?
Before it started.

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Oh, good.
Oh, good.

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OK, so anyways, we're gonna go
back to 1978.

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Kevin.
We're in the thick of the Cold

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War.
The world is laughing, basically

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about how extra the US and
Russia are with each other.

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OK, and they're one upping of
each other, went.

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Now Kevin, do you wanna explain
what the Cold War was or?

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Oh, God, yeah.
Well, yeah, you can do it.

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But I, I, I, I just so I this
was, I was still a Bebe.

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Yeah, that was Bebs.
And it was things were really

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tense between US and Russia.
And you hear about the Cuban

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missile crisis crisis and
apparently if you watch

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documentaries and shows and
people that talk about that like

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we were butt ass close.
Yeah, to nuclear war.

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War.
Yeah, some scary, scary times.

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But yeah, go go into more into
the Cold War as as a whole.

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I kind of there.
OK, so there's this girl on on

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TikTok that I love and she likes
to distill things into into

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stuff that I can really
understand, like whether it's

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the economics or like.
So I kind of channelled her when

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I was thinking about the
situation between Russia and the

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US during the Cold War.
So I kind of think that like

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Russia and the US were treating
each other like ex lovers who

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are still obsessed with each
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OK, so.
I love you.

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I hate you.
I love you.

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I hate you.
I need to be more popular than

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you.
I need to be better.

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But like, I'm obsessed with
everything you're doing.

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But I'm still trying to get,
like, my own friends kind of

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thing.
It's like, ultimately, in the

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1960s, we know about the space
race. the US and Russia were

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racing to go into outer space.
The US won the moon.

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Yep, right.
Yep.

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We know how that kind of how
that ended, but at this point in

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the 1960s were past World War 2,
the rest of the world kind of

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has its own issues.
Once again, we're going back to

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my analogy.
The rest of the world had

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pimples, you know, hair growing
in new places, body odor, voice

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changes.
It was a lot.

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Hormones are just racing, so
they're paying attention to

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their own shit.
But the UNUS and Russia had to

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measure, if you know what I
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So they started clicks.
Mine's bigger than yours.

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Mine's bigger than exactly
Exactly mine's bigger.

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Mine's thicker.
Whatever.

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So, so they started clicks and
which I'm calling cliques, but

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it was really NATO and the
Warsaw Pact.

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So NATO was the North American
trade agree or organization that

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was the US is like cronies or
clique that they started.

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It's like hey, you're our
friends, right.

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We're all allies and that was
actually like all of their

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allies for World War Two were
also involved in NATO.

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And then you have the Warsaw
Pact, which was all of Russia's

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like friends.
That was their clique.

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These were both high school
cliques.

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And both of them were kind of
like bullies trying to get other

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countries to join them to be the
most big, like the biggest and

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most popular in the world,
right.

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So let's go back to 1978.
They're both superpowers, world

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superpowers, and they're trying
to get any kind of lead possible

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on each other.
So cue the United States, the

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Defense Intelligence Agency,
which is one of those classified

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budgets within the Department of
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OK, OK.
So we talk about black budget

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all the time, right?
Like, it's something that we

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talk about when, especially with
the military and namely, these

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black budgets are under the
auspices of National Defense or

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national security, right.
All that money, We don't know

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how much is going where for
what.

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So what do you think, Kevin?
How much of A percentage of the

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US money would you say is eaten
up by the military?

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Oh.
And and this is just like mainly

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like in more recent years.
Oh gosh, I.

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Got this number?
Huh.

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That's a great question.
I'm going to say it's a good

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question 55.
That's a that's pretty, that's

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pretty close, officially.
What's like, parsed out

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initially is 12% OK, really
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And I remember seeing those
pride charts and I was like,

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that's bullshit.
There's more than that.

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Right.
Because probably some stuff they

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can't even talk about, right?
Oh, I I I highly doubt that.

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Like the money.
They're.

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Not gonna show all of It's like
really giving 17 billion no.

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Yeah, it's like it's like when
you buy too much shit on Amazon

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or whatever and all these boxes
come back and like, you're like,

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oh shit, I don't want my, you
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should I just bought.
Some archive that order.

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Yeah, archive the order.
Like, sneak it into the house

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and be like, yeah, am I shameful
that I bought this thing?

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Kind of.
But it makes me happy.

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Whatever.
So it's actually half of the US

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discretionary spending.
So we have like a budget, yeah,

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that the US educate this is how
much we're allocating, yes.

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Then there's a discretionary
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It can spend wherever.
Exactly.

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And that is half half of the of
the discretionary budget goes

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directly to the military.
So it ends.

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Up on top of whatever they've
the 12.

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Percent, Yeah.
It ends up being 1/3 of the USS

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annual budget, 1/3 is going
directly 30. 3% that we know of.

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That we know of.
See, that's the thing.

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We really need to make some
fucking tinfoil hats, because

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every time we make a a comment
like this, we need to put on our

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tinfoil hat and just be like,
OK, so I do think that it's more

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than 1/3 like there's no way.
So all this money has to go

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somewhere.
And there are only so many,

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like, you know, guns, tanks,
outfits, I mean uniforms.

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Not out outfits?
You're hilarious.

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Shut up.
Like, yeah, whatever uniforms

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that these branches need.
So when you're fighting a war of

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being the world's most popular,
you need to pull out all the

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stops and any rumor you may
hear, you act on.

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So you hear that someone's doing
something you.

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Act on.
You act on.

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Act on it.
Marvin just wants to join.

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Oh, go ahead.
So in 1970, some intelligence

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officers get word that Russia is
putting a ton of money into

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psychotronic research.
Psychotronic What is

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psychotronic?
It's like psychic.

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Oh, it's a term for psychic
research.

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I think it's like just one of
those old words and and also

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like it's like one of those
things where like, oh, it's not

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psychic research, it's psychotic
because like also it's

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electronic or something.
I don't know, Makes it sound a

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lot more legit.
Well, yeah, I mean, not to

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digress, but they yeah, we're
going to, am I going to talk

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about it in the coming episodes?
Sort of.

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I'm going to mention it.
But they put them in these

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electron, the psychics in these
electronic devices, sort of

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speak that allows them to do
psychic things.

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So maybe that's how they came.
Up with psychic.

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Yes.
Oh, interesting.

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Twinsies.
Totally twinsies.

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So.
In our next.

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That's how they came up with
Psychotronic.

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It must, yeah.
It had to have been, because at

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that time, like, that's when
electronics are really taking

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off, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Computers aren't taking up.

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I mean, they're still taking up
whole rooms.

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And they're not gonna really
just say we're some psychics.

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Yeah, yeah, they make it a
little more fancy.

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Yeah, make it a little bit more
fancy.

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And once again, you're against
Russia.

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You hear Russias doing it.
Yeah.

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And the US is like anything you
can do I.

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Can do better.
I can do anything better than

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you.
Exactly.

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So the US decided to start
rounding up money for this

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psychotronic research.
And so research at Stanford

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began.
And instead of calling people

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psychics, they called them
remote viewers.

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Uh, huh.
Yes.

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Yes.
So have you heard of remote

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viewing?
I certainly have.

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OK.
Yes, this ties into exactly what

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I was talking about.
So, and that's going to be our

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next episode.
So it's almost like a maybe a

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continuation of this episode.
And we did not plan this.

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No, I love how it.
Works and I'm not going to, I

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won't dive a deep into it, but
but we are going to talk about

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it and how it worked better with
twins.

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When you had twins that would
connect this, you can do this

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remote viewing and you'd have
one twin in Russia, 1 twin in

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the United States, and the twin
in Russia is showing the twin in

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the United States.
All this shit.

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Interesting.
Oh my God, I'm so excited for

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that one because this is going
to be like, probably a different

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side.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
So, So yeah, remote viewing.

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It's actually kind of like A at
that point the government

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decided to change the word for
psychic.

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It's a fancy term for psychic.
They they didn't want people to

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think that they were cuckoo and
and have psychics on the payroll

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and.
If you say psychic, yeah,

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exactly.
You're like, oh, here we go.

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Discretionary spending, like
psychic.

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Yeah, no remote viewer.
What is that?

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Nobody knows.
Nobody knows.

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It's like one of those bullshit
job titles, right?

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So this is very, very similar to
what they've done with UFOs.

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Now, UFOs are not called UFOs.
They're Uaps, not unidentified

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flying objects, because there's
such a stigma attached to it.

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It's an unidentified.
Yep, exactly.

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Aerial phenomenon.
Yeah, Unidentified aerial

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phenomenon, which is basically
the same fucking thing.

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It's the exact same thing.
It's just like, we're gonna

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change that.
It's.

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Just not in 1950s you have.
That, Yeah, exactly.

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So we have researchers, and
these researchers are actually

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at Stanford, Russell Targ and
Harold Puthoff.

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OK, we'll just call them Russell
and Harold.

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And they said that in order for
these people to actually join,

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they had to have a 65% accuracy
rate to join like this project.

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And this is before the project
is official.

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This is like just the initial
researching at the Stanford

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Institute.
So, So the clients were, or

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excuse me that they're tested,
they tested a lot of people

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including Uri Geller.
Have you heard of Uri Geller?

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Don't know, Yeah, doesn't sound
familiar.

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When I tell you a little bit
more about Yuri, you'll for sure

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know.
Yeah, so he, he was like the

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most infamous one.
And at this point, in about

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1972, the Department of Defense
sees that there is like a

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success rate with these
individuals, the remote viewers.

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So they start paying closer
attention to this.

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And an Air Force psychologist
sees the success and asked a

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fellow psychologist at the
University of Oregon to go to

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the Stanford Research Institute
and investigate.

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And specifically, he tasked him
to look at Yuri Geller.

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So Yuri, I said you, you will
know all about him.

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He's actually still alive today.
And OK, do you remember the

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there was a guy who could bend
spoons with his mind?

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Yes.
You remember that?

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Yes, that's him.
It is.

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That's him.
Yeah.

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And he was all over talk shows
like this.

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Yes.
Like in the 80s and 90s and 70s.

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So when you look him up, the
search results show that he's

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actually a musician and a
magician and that he believes

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he's a psychic.
But they don't, They say like.

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That's so.
Was it an illusion?

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Is that what people argue?
I So if you ask him, he's

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psychic.
What does it have to do with

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bending spoons?
Right, exactly.

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He's infamous.
We'll we'll see.

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Like, this dude is infamous.
He's from Israel.

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And before coming out as a
psychic, he was a paratrooper in

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the Israeli army.
He did see some action.

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He was injured during like a
battle in Israel.

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It's actually mandatory for
people to serve in the military.

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Yes, yes, yes.
And that's all I wanted to say,

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a positive about him.
So there we go.

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You go Yuri, you did your thing.
So during these experiment

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experiments, they that Oregon
University professor, his name's

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Ray Hyman.
He actually goes and looks at

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Yuri Geller and he discovers
that Geller was a complete fraud

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and as a consequence both of our
the guys who were handling the

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the the whole experiment at the
Stanford Institute, he they both

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lost their government contract.
OK so and OK so they I don't

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know why but like this guy
Geller and or but Geller and

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Targ, they both really liked
each other and they would not

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stop working with him.
With Yuri Geller the the spoon

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bending dude, he just believed
that he was like.

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Even though he was completely
defrauded.

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Yes.
And people were like, no, this

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guy is a total idiot.
They're like, no, no, no, he's

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for real.
We need to like go around show

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him and like try to get money
ourselves.

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So they are touting his
abilities and of course Yuri was

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very happy to oblige.
This led him to be televised in

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1973 on the biggest late night
show, The Tonight Show with

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Johnny Carson.
That was the biggest one.

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You wanted to be a success like
that was like that's where you

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go.
It was infamous like and Johnny

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Carson is also a performer.
The dude has some a background

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in magic and being a magician.
Oh, so is was that the the guys

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in which he, Johnny Carson
wanted him, do you think?

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I think that they had just like
heard about him, that he was

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doing like the Stanford Research
Institute.

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They needed someone like.
Interesting.

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To go in on so he he goes and I
actually have a clip and it's

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going to be in the show notes
below for this episode.

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But Kevin and I are going to
watch this episode and then

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we're going to talk.
Or this part of this clip.

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Yes, and I'll put the time stamp
that you wanna watch from for

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Yuri, but we'll be right back
and we're gonna talk about it.

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Perfect.
Yay.

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So we are back after watching
the Johnny Carson episode, which

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if you guys had watched, you
will understand why I did not

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want to put this on the podcast.
Yeah, that would have been

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painful to be like driving.
Listening.

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Listening.
Yeah, that would.

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Have been painful.
It's like it's like one of those

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things where you're sitting
there and it's just like, OK.

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You need to watch the Yeah, you
really need to watch it.

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You have to watch it.
You can't just listen to it.

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And we came right back to We
didn't even talk about it.

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We didn't.
Although.

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We shut it off.
We came back.

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I wanted to excuse.
Me, I just burped.

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Thank you.
Champagne.

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No.
While we were watching it, yeah.

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I wanted to say so many things
to you and get your thought

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process, but I have.
Well did.

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You see me rolling my.
I rolled my eyes a few times.

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Yes, I actually I heard.
Your eyes rolled to the back of

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your head.
It was amazing.

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I've never heard that before.
It was crazy.

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OK, so just like kind of a
description.

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Whether or not you're going to
watch it, I'd say definitely

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watch it, of course.
But but I'll give you the

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synopsis.
So Johnny Carson show, it was

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televised live, FYI, so they
only had so much of the show

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left once Yuri actually got on
it.

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And Yuri?
OK, so they're already running

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behind on this particular show.
That's just like a taboo Yuri.

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While he was doing these
experiments, he asked for

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specific items to use.
I told you before, he's known as

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the spoon Bender.
And this was prior to the

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episode, right?
He's telling them these are the

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things you can or should have,
which was kind of sorry to

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interrupt you.
It was weird.

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It was he they they brought,
they mentioned to the fact that

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these are some of the items that
they had done before or that

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they had mentioned or something.
But then during this the show

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he's acts as though he was
surprised that they brought

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these out and he and ultimately
wished they wouldn't because he

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would rather have answered the
30 questions that they had given

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him ahead of time O40 excuse me
as opposed to doing these

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things.
OK, so yeah, that's exactly what

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I was gonna get to.
He would ask.

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He'd have a list of items.
One of them were film canisters.

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OK, so we don't use film
canisters anymore.

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And at that point, these were
metal.

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Canisters.
Metal.

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When I remember taking pictures.
Plastic.

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It was plastic, you know, And
that's.

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The little black ones.
With the yellow black ones or

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they'd have like the clear ones
too towards the end, but like my

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grandmother would use them as
like pill like vitamin folders.

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Whatever.
Yeah, these were full on nice

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metal like.
Metal.

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They kind of looked like like a
tea strainer, like a bigger tea

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strainer.
But they're like that kind of

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cylindrical.
Like, maybe, Yeah, solid, maybe

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like 2-2 inches high.
Yeah, like, maybe like.

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They seem just like a little bit
bigger, if you can think of a

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film canister.
Just seems like just a little

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bit bigger than that.
For some people don't know what

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a film canister.
True.

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So yeah, so I I was a good
point.

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So imagine a cylinder maybe an
inch around and an inch and a

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half to two inches.
Tall like think of like AD

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battery.
AD battery.

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There you go.
Yeah, that's about the size.

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There you go.
So, and they're hollow, There's

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nothing inside of them, but they
have like a lid and A and an

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actual container.
So you have you screw on the lid

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and it's like, I don't know,
kind of like aluminum or

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something?
Yeah, like aluminum.

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So then he had some clocks.
Some, like pocket watches,

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didn't do anything with that.
He also had spoons.

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He talked about them but didn't
do anything.

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He didn't do anything with about
them.

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He did say that the way that he
found out his powers, his like

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psychic powers, was he was able
to move the hands of a of his

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watch and ours, that he could
move them without touching it,

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without winding it or or
touching it at all.

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It would move.
And then also the way that he

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could found out that he could
bend metal was because one of

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the hands were bent that's under
glass.

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00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,680
Under glass, yes, so that's what
he had said now when he gave the

460
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,240
prop master.
A prop master is like someone

461
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,120
who is in charge of all the
items that are going to be used

462
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,800
on a stage.
When he gave the prop master the

463
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,400
list of items that he would
need, one of the items were for

464
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,720
the spoons were aluminum spoons.
He didn't say any kind of spoon.

465
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,520
It was specifically an aluminum
spoon.

466
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,400
Now when Yuri came out, do you
remember?

467
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,560
He said he looked at the prop
table or like the table that had

468
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,880
all of his props on it and he
said, oh, you guys are making me

469
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,640
nervous.
Do you remember him saying that?

470
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,720
It's like this is making me
nervous and it's the spoons were

471
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,000
not aluminum.
Is that what it was?

472
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,080
I think that's what threw him
off, 'cause that's one of the

473
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,880
more fantastical, like, items
that he can actually bend or

474
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600
drastically.
Yes.

475
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,200
And if you think about it, think
about an aluminum can.

476
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,320
Oh yeah, pretty easy to bend
loop, right?

477
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,240
Now what?
He also didn't know because he

478
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,480
didn't do as.
Fuck.

479
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,240
Sorry to interrupt, Not to
interrupt, but when you if you

480
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,080
had an aluminum spoon,
especially a thin one, and you

481
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,280
will rub it back and forth.
Just applying pressure honestly.

482
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,400
Would bend it.
Would bend it.

483
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,480
For sure.
I mean, think about when you're

484
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,680
having a soda or a beer or
something.

485
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Yeah, or a white claw, whatever.
Whatever.

486
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,480
Your pick, your poison.
But like if you just like barely

487
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,040
push your thumb into it, you're
gonna leave an indentation.

488
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,680
Now, aluminum spoons are a
little thicker than that, but

489
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,800
but not by much.
Not by much.

490
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,920
It's still pretty pliable.
So he had actually asked for an

491
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,840
aluminum spoon and was not
given.

492
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,280
An is that why?
Because there was engraved?

493
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000
Didn't they mention something
that spoon was engraved?

494
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,360
Had said something on the spoon
or something.

495
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,720
He was like hung, I think if
you're asking me, he came out.

496
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,160
He looked at the spoons, which
is the most fantastical, like,

497
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,200
big thing that.
He and realized he couldn't do.

498
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,400
It and realized he would not be
able to bend it because he

499
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,160
didn't have enough time to do it
right.

500
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,960
And he knew the show was running
behind.

501
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,960
So this was a live broadcast
that they were doing and they

502
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,040
knew they only had so much time
left.

503
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,760
And so he was like dragging it
out.

504
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,720
I thought so.
So when the the first item that

505
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,720
he started to do was there was
like 10 canisters, those film

506
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,880
canisters that were aluminum D
battery size.

507
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,840
One of them had water in them,
the other ones, the other nine

508
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,000
did not.
And so he did, by process of

509
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,960
elimination, and he literally
put his hand on top.

510
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Not on top, like he wasn't
touching, but hovering over to

511
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,120
try to feel the water right.
I did just.

512
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,200
Like my eyes started rolling.
Right, right.

513
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,040
And he and Johnny Carson.
He was messing with the wrong

514
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,680
bitch that day.
OK, can we were talking about

515
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,160
this like while we were watching
it?

516
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:24,280
The shade, The shade that Johnny
Carson was giving Yuri Geller

517
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,920
during this fucking interview.
It was chef's kiss.

518
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,920
Beautiful.
I love that.

519
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,080
Dude, one time here he goes.
Well, I got rid of three.

520
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,040
And then Johnny Carson goes and
there's seven laugh.

521
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Yeah, yeah.
And you're like, Oh my God.

522
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,320
He's like, yeah, I'm just not
like he said something along the

523
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,200
lines like, I'm just not feeling
it or or or you're supposed to

524
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,520
ask me questions or something.
And he had another retort.

525
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,640
Yeah, like, oh good God love.
It it was uncomfortable.

526
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,760
It was uncomfortable.
It's so uncomfortable.

527
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,640
And what I think was happening
was Yuri was trying to drag out.

528
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,120
No.
OK, I think Yuri was trying to

529
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,080
drag out the time because he
knew that they're running

530
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,200
behind.
Well, and he kept saying, this

531
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:14,720
is the other thing like if you
don't start off your, I don't

532
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,200
want to say presentation, but
you don't want to start your

533
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:24,440
thing off by saying, you know,
sometimes I do get it wrong and

534
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,720
sometimes I'm just, I can't feel
it and sometimes I just can't do

535
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,160
it.
And if you don't want to start

536
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360
off that way.
No.

537
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,680
OK, like we're all human.
PO Betty's nerfect.

538
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:44,480
Nobody's perfect.
However, you don't walk on to

539
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,720
live television.
The Johnny Carson Show, which

540
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,440
was Golly, is there anything
that's like that?

541
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,280
Was it like, is there anything
that's even like close to that

542
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,960
right now?
I don't think so.

543
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,400
I can't think of none of the
late night shows that's.

544
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,520
What made him?
That's what brought you into the

545
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,080
light.
Yes, yeah.

546
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,560
Started your career.
It started your career and like

547
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,320
there were only like 3 fucking
channels or whatever, right?

548
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Like it's not like you had
hundreds of channels.

549
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,480
So many things.
Yeah, so ever.

550
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,960
I want to tune in like it was
one of the few things that would

551
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,280
be broadcasted at that time.
So, like, everyone was paying

552
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,320
attention anyway.
I'm gonna go on to Johnny Carson

553
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,160
and go, hi, I'm a comedian, so
sometimes my jokes don't land

554
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,760
and sometimes I'm not Funny,
please.

555
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Yuri, get your shit together.
No, exactly.

556
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Like that's that's the thing.
Like, you don't go out there.

557
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,280
If you're going on to Johnny
Carson, you're a psychic.

558
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400
You have to psychic.
Yeah, be a psychic.

559
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000
Like, OK then, like get some low
hanging fruit.

560
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,480
Like if you're not feeling it,
you're like the spirits, not

561
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,640
with you.
Whatever.

562
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,240
I don't fucking know what it is.
Like whatever it is, it's like,

563
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,640
don't like sit there and you
know say that like you can't do

564
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,160
it.
Like you're on the biggest show,

565
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,520
like try to make something
happen.

566
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,280
So one of the other guests who
is actually the guy from Fantasy

567
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,800
Island, did you ever watch that
show?

568
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120
Yeah, that the the lead guy in
fantasy, the tall one.

569
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,400
That's.
I couldn't tell who that was

570
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,680
Him.
That was him, yeah.

571
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,880
I love Fantasy Island.
If you guys if you guys can

572
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,760
watch Fantasy, he would.
He's so great.

573
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
And then there's Duplain
Duplain.

574
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,600
What's?
His name?

575
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,800
Good God Tattoo.
Tattoo.

576
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Yeah.
Anyways, definitely worth worth

577
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,000
watching.
It's probably a kind of

578
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,280
offensive, but whatever.
It was like really great show at

579
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,040
the time and I still like it.
Anyways, go to this island,

580
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,720
fantasy, blah blah blah.
You can have anything that you

581
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,000
want.
Bad stuff always happened.

582
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,920
But he was on the show and he
was standing sitting right next

583
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040
to Yuri on the, you know, in the
chairs.

584
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:50,480
And so Yuri says, OK, hold on to
this spoon, Put it on flat on

585
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920
your hands.
So he has the spoon.

586
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,760
And remember, we talked about
it, He had asked for aluminum

587
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,400
spoons.
He was not given aluminum,

588
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,320
aluminum spoons.
So the moment when he walks out,

589
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,200
he's like, oh, you guys make me
nervous.

590
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Like all of this makes me
nervous because he was not given

591
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,240
what he wanted.
So he starts putting his hands,

592
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,320
like hovering them.
Very closely back up.

593
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,360
So he had the guy put the hand,
the spoon in one hand and his

594
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,120
other hand, he hasn't put his
finger on the spoon and then

595
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,680
he's.
Then Yuri takes his hands and

596
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,400
hovers over the guy's finger,
who is over the spoon, who is in

597
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,000
his palm and hovers and waves
and waves and says other than my

598
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,400
body heat, do you feel pressure
on, you know, pushing down?

599
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,720
And he says yes.
Yeah, and we're watching it.

600
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,920
We're watching it and he says
I'm not seeing anything

601
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,800
happening drastically, but he
has the guy take his hand off

602
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,560
the spoon and you do in fact see
a bit of a dent.

603
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,880
Yes, in the spoon.
You actually do see a bit of a

604
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,760
dent in the spoon.
There's A and it's a small one,

605
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,520
right?
It's not very dramatic.

606
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,159
No.
Johnny Carson is not impressed.

607
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,960
Not impressed, Not impressed.
But now.

608
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,480
So I tried to give him the
benefit of the doubt and I go,

609
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480
well, if if it was a normal
spoon, there's no way you could

610
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,400
create that dent.
Like you can't create that

611
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:29,120
little bit of a of a a a a
slope, a a little curve in a

612
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,920
solid spoon.
You just can't do it.

613
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,280
It would.
It would V It would almost V.

614
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,639
Sure do.
You say I'm saying as opposed to

615
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,239
like this gradual slope of a
finger.

616
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,080
But if you have someone who's
putting their hand closer and

617
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,800
closer to your hand, you might
press down.

618
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,280
It's the I.
If you're asking me, it's the

619
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,360
power of suggestion.
Is it possible?

620
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Have you ever seen a magician
like live?

621
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,120
Have you had them do things to
you?

622
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Well, like you know.
Yes, I have.

623
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:01,520
OK.
Yes.

624
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,800
So when I was a kid, I saw a
magician and they said hold your

625
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,480
hand really, really tight, as
tight as you possibly can.

626
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,640
And I held it really, really
tight.

627
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Really, really tight.
Until you killed the bird.

628
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,920
No, you crushed the bird's hand.
And I'm just kidding.

629
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,640
I wish.
No, and actually I don't wish.

630
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,320
But you know what I mean?
So I held it really, really

631
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,800
tight.
And he said, now open up your

632
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520
hand.
And there was a ball inside of

633
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,960
it.
OK.

634
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah.

635
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,840
So what I think is he had this
like thing and I'm a sweaty ass

636
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,560
person.
Well, it's because he had put

637
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,440
the ball in your hand already.
Before, and I had no idea about

638
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,480
it, right It's a slip.
It's the slip of the hand.

639
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,720
Also, if you're pushing down and
you want to make this was

640
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,840
painful for my friends to watch
this interview was.

641
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,480
I mean, you want to feel good
about yourself.

642
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,160
You want to cringe like watch
this fucking this like interview

643
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,200
with the Johnny Carson cause
Johnny Carson is calling his

644
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,560
shit out.
He is a He is like he is giving

645
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,880
him all the snark.
So is this before or after?

646
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,840
So was this appearance on Johnny
Carson before or after he was

647
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,320
called out as a fraud?
This was after he was called out

648
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,800
as a fraud.
So when they had like Project

649
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Star to get hit started, they
had some money.

650
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,240
They started doing that research
at Stanford Institute.

651
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,520
And Yuri Geller was like one of
the Star pupils because he was

652
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,200
doing these extreme things like,
you know, bending spoons, all

653
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,520
this shit.
So a lot of people are paying

654
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,400
attention to him.
That's why our University of

655
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Oregon professor came in and the
Air Force psychologist was like,

656
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,760
hey, check out this Yuri Geller
guy because, like red flags are

657
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,840
going up in my head.
Can you please go and check it

658
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,920
out?
Because you're an outside

659
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,480
source, you're you know, if it
were me saying it, it could be

660
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,240
issues with my career, blah,
blah, blah.

661
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,920
So he ends up doing that
studies.

662
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Urine is like, yeah, this guy's
a fraud.

663
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,600
This guy's not legit.
This is most certainly something

664
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,040
that we cannot fucking explain.
So so this was after because

665
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,160
those researchers were like no,
Yuri's the real deal.

666
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:17,880
They, like, were really hitching
their cart to this train wreck,

667
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,680
you know, of a dude.
And they really believed that he

668
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
was real.
They really believed in him.

669
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,560
Now, another thing to note about
Yuri is like he's very

670
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,480
attractive.
He was very, very handsome.

671
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,360
Super handsome like he even has
like his little like.

672
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,320
He has little 70s like chest
showing.

673
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Yes.
And his chest looks great.

674
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,320
And like, his hair is great.
And like, he's very, like, he's

675
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,360
like olive, like, like skin
tone.

676
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,440
Like very, like very handsome
man.

677
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Yeah, very.
And you could tell us he was

678
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,160
like having the conversation
that he was charismatic.

679
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Yeah.
So those kinds of people.

680
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Attractive.
Charismatic.

681
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,320
Yes, get away with a lot.
Get away with so much shit.

682
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Yeah.
Thank you, Yuri.

683
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,240
So Yuri comes in and they are
hitching their freaking, you

684
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,680
know, they're hitching
themselves to them, to this guy.

685
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,200
They're like, we believe he's
the real deal.

686
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,360
So they're trying to get more
money to do more research with

687
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,800
Yuri.
And because they, it ran out,

688
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,720
right, like the government's
like we're not funding you.

689
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,560
We're not funding him for sure.
But they're like, well, we still

690
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,200
want to study with him.
So that's where he started going

691
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,120
on all these talk shows.
He was, I swear to God, he was

692
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,800
on like Sally Jesse Raphael.
I love Sally Jesse Raphael.

693
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,040
And who's the other guy?
No, the guy with the white hair.

694
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Oh, Donahue.
Donahue.

695
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,360
Phil Donahue.
I loved.

696
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,520
I loved both of them.
I love Sally Jessie cause of

697
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,080
her.
She was fabulous anyways so I

698
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,800
swear to God he was on that.
But he is a total fucking fraud.

699
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,880
You hear Yuri Geller you like,
and you know about spin bending

700
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,040
because of that, however.
Yeah, wasn't was not impressed

701
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,360
by that interview at all.
No, no.

702
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,880
So you don't You don't really
like him, huh?

703
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,880
I wanted to.
I wanted.

704
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,360
I wanted to and I wanted to go,
oh guys, you guys are just being

705
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,600
skeptics.
And no, no, that was just

706
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,720
shenanigans.
You know, Yuri was like super

707
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,920
stoked to like, yeah, you guys
believe in me, cool.

708
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Like, yeah, I'll go on these
television shows.

709
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,960
But he even was like quoted
after the Johnny Carson show.

710
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,240
He's like, I was let.
I was out there sweating and you

711
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,760
can see the sweat like if you
guys watch the the actual like,

712
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,360
I don't know.
What he thought he could get

713
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,560
away with that like.
Johnny Carson was a magician.

714
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,760
He did magic.
So if you saw like Uri Geller

715
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,520
was even like, you're making me
nervous, 'cause he keeps on

716
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,760
changing the angles that he's
watching this dude from and he

717
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,240
'cause he knows all the tricks,
you're not getting anything past

718
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:56,280
him.
So he as soon as he goes on, he

719
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,400
just keeps on saying, like, oh,
sometimes you can't perform.

720
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,080
Oh, this table's making me
nervous.

721
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,680
It's like, OK, sometimes you
can't perform.

722
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:10,000
We've all heard that the excuses
are laid and you know, he ends

723
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,760
up being kind of shown out as a
fraud.

724
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,760
This does not necessarily stop
the dude, OK?

725
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,720
The dude continues to go on all
these talk shows right after he

726
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,280
was on another late night show
or another like.

727
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Popular show as he thought, oh,
I'm not going to be on anything.

728
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,680
No, they wanted him even more.
And so like that's how you know

729
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,600
about him is through like these
television shows, 'cause it was

730
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,880
interesting, it was fun.
It was like extreme.

731
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,040
And I'm sure they gave them,
they gave him his aluminum

732
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,360
freaking spoons that he wanted,
which, you know, unfortunately.

733
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,120
So one thing I did want to say,
like you know as far as the

734
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:56,800
project went, when it wasn't, it
wasn't when it was passed, like

735
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:02,680
the research stage of it.
They had different aspects of it

736
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,880
that were approved and funded
yearly.

737
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,600
OK, so every and the reviews are
actually made semi annual at the

738
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,640
the Senate and the House
committee level.

739
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:21,960
So these results of the psychics
were reviewed and remote viewing

740
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,520
was attempted with the results
being kept secret from the

741
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,120
viewer.
So like let's say they had some

742
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,480
Intel about a spy or something,
they're like where is the spy?

743
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:36,240
So they thought that if they, if
the viewer was shown the shown

744
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,440
that they were incorrect, that
it would damage the the viewer's

745
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,320
actual confidence and skill.
So like they didn't tell these

746
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,040
viewers whether or not they're
right or wrong when they had

747
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,080
like the information.
And it was actually the standard

748
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,480
operating procedure for years of
this military.

749
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,040
Sorry.
So now was he one of these

750
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
remote viewers?
He initially, initially he was

751
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,880
one of the remote viewers, yeah.
And then he was kind of kicked

752
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,920
out of the project.
But this motherfucker went on

753
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560
into everything.
So when you look at Project

754
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,360
Stargate, Yuri Geller's name is
so synonymous with it.

755
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,360
Right.
Well, sure, 'cause he was the

756
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,920
public fraud.
He was the public fraud.

757
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,320
Yeah, Gotcha.
OK.

758
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,360
And so, so these remote viewers,
so they're not as telling.

759
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,160
So that's scary.
So these remote viewers are

760
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,240
supposed to be doing stuff for
the government?

761
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,000
Yes, they're given like pieces
of information.

762
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,480
Like here's a picture of a man.
Please tell.

763
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,120
Me where he is.
Yeah, and they would say this is

764
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,520
where he is.
Would you imagine they could

765
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,240
probably go or they would go.
I'm making this up.

766
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,400
Sure.
Like, look, so did they attach

767
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,120
to a person?
Like, how did so like, was it

768
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,680
like, show me what's going on in
the Kremlin?

769
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Tell me what's going on in the
Kremlin right now?

770
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Or was it more like they had
attached to a, a, A?

771
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:01,920
It was.
Both.

772
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520
It was both.
So, like, so one of the things

773
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,080
that they had discovered was,
OK, well, one of the things

774
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,480
during that time, they're like,
OK, even internally, like, where

775
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,360
is this spy?
Our spy?

776
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,760
Like, where is this spy at?
And they'd show a picture of

777
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,400
this was the spy's information.
Where is that?

778
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,360
There is a woman who said he's
in.

779
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,280
I think she said Level Wyoming,
that's where this guy is.

780
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,760
Here's his picture.
She looked at him, did like, I

781
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,760
don't know, whatever she needed
to do, and said he's in Level

782
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Wyoming.
Turns out he was actually in

783
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Lowell, Wyoming, But out of all
the potential places he could

784
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,240
have been, she was just shown
like his information.

785
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:49,360
She didn't know anything else
and she she miscommunicated or

786
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,280
what she said was sometimes the
information comes in and I

787
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200
misinterpret it.
So like she misinterpreted the

788
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,320
information so that it was it
was wrong instead of level it

789
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,480
was lower.
So they ended up finding him

790
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,600
because of her information.
Gotcha.

791
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:11,400
So it it was really to try to
get any unknown people

792
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,640
information, events like is
this, are they, is this Intel

793
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,320
correct?
But the problem with these

794
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,440
remote viewers was they were not
being told whether or not

795
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,640
they're right there or wrong.
So it's like they had no idea

796
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,760
whether or not they were
correct.

797
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,920
Well.
I guess I couldn't kind of

798
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,600
playing devil's advocate, like,
why do they need to know?

799
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,120
Because I don't know, like, I
almost kind of feel like it

800
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,960
could potentially be a compass.
Like if you're totally on, you

801
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,760
should know that you're on, like
if I'm doing work.

802
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,480
With my job, like if like,
especially for that, we'll use

803
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,720
that example that you just gave
us a minute ago.

804
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,800
Like if she would have known
that it wasn't level that was

805
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,320
Lowell, then maybe next time she
would know how whatever she had

806
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,520
to translate to get to level,
she knows it was Lowell, so

807
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,000
maybe she can translate it.
Differently.

808
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, maybe she could, like,

809
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,400
read or interpret it.
It's like when you don't have

810
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,800
any kind of feedback, it's
really hard to be accurate.

811
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,120
And I think in that situation
it's really hard.

812
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,320
So anyways it it could be
anything.

813
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,720
And this was during like
military and domestic

814
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:23,840
intelligence program programs
like or events, so internal and

815
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,040
then external, mainly the
Kremlin, mainly Russia.

816
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,280
So some of these intelligence
applications viewers were

817
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,360
actually they claim to sense
things in the future, which is

818
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,280
really interesting.
Now how do we measure that?

819
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,600
How do we measure future?
Does it happen?

820
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Does it not happen, you know?
Do you know, would they call it

821
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,800
out as such or did they just not
know?

822
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,360
Like would they go, for example,
would they go, hey, this is

823
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,880
happening in the future or would
they go this thing and then

824
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,720
they'd be like they don't know
if that was in the, you know

825
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,240
what I mean like.
Yeah, I think they, they would

826
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:07,080
say that it was happening in the
future, Yeah, but it's like.

827
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,080
What?
It seems so dangerous,

828
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,040
especially if they were frauds.
If they were frauds and like

829
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,760
we're spending all this money on
it or which is like the best

830
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,760
case scenario, right?
Worst case scenario, you have

831
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,400
people talking shit or like, or
they have their own like,

832
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,440
reasons to claim something like
they have a vendetta against

833
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,880
whomever, right?
So this program continues into

834
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:42,280
the 1980s and they had a lot of
names for this project and it

835
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,520
was integrated into different
ones, which grill Flame Center

836
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,920
Lane.
Project Sunstreak was another

837
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,680
freaking name of it into the
1990s.

838
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,800
They see there was an
individual, Edwin May who

839
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,480
controlled as 70% of the
contractor funds and 85% of of

840
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
the data ultimately.
Basically what's happened and it

841
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,880
altered from so it was the
security attached to it was it

842
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,320
was altered from the special
access program to the limited

843
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,720
dissemination, which means it
was kind of downgraded a little

844
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,480
bit and it was given its final a
name.

845
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,160
That's when it actually was
named Stargate.

846
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,720
In 1995, the project was closed.
The bill there was a defense

847
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,160
appropriations bill directed at
the program that it be

848
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,880
transferred from the DIA, the
Defense Intelligence Agency,

849
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,840
which isn't within the defense
program, to CIA oversight.

850
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,840
And the CIA actually had a
report commissioned by the

851
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,480
American Institutes for Research
and they found that remote

852
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,560
viewing had not been proven to
work by a by a psychic mechanism

853
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,480
and that it it wasn't, they said
that it wasn't used

854
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,560
operationally, so they
classified or they declassified

855
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:12,520
and cancelled the program.
Now if you're asking some people

856
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,680
who are involved in it, they say
this is not the full story.

857
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,280
The what ended up happening was
they just ended this program.

858
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,040
The psychics who are actually
working, you will not hear about

859
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,240
of.
Course not.

860
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Yeah, they are still working for
the CIA.

861
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
They just.
On a program that no longer

862
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,560
exists.
Exactly.

863
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,440
Sure, there's a lot of like
speculation and people who are

864
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,640
disproving it and using Uri
Geller as like the main, like

865
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,320
the main person is to like, Oh
yeah, this is the bullshit like

866
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,440
program.
But there are other civilian

867
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,000
personnel who are actually
involved in this program who are

868
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,040
coming out and they're like, no,
no, no, I worked on that.

869
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,600
And actually we were accurate.
Like we found a lot of

870
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,640
information.
There was a woman who actually I

871
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,640
told you about the one who found
the spy or the spy, the US spy.

872
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:15,440
There was another one they're
talking about who had found a

873
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,600
nuclear weapon that was in on a
plane that had crashed.

874
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,680
They found the crash by doing
that.

875
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,760
So you know, here's the thing,
we have a ton of folks that you

876
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:35,600
can, you can look at that
ultimately say, yeah, this is,

877
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,720
this was something that was
accurate.

878
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,280
We found spies.
We had intelligence.

879
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,880
Should the government have
access to this?

880
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Like knowledge?
Should they like?

881
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,800
From my perspective, I don't
know if we should even have a

882
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,280
program like that because you
have two factions who are

883
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,240
fucking playing popularity
contest against each other.

884
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,240
People say the Soviets were
actually trying to fuck over the

885
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,880
US and saying yeah, yeah, I know
we have like psychics on the on

886
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,480
the pay grade and like in
reality they actually didn't.

887
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,320
Was that what was happening?
Is this something that actually

888
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,240
was legitimate, that we did have
psychics that were being used

889
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,120
every day and we just never
heard about them?

890
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,040
Because the declassified
information that was released

891
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,720
was never, it was never really
like it was part, still part of

892
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,640
the classified information.
I'm, I'm in that camp.

893
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,880
I'm in that camp too.
Of course we hear about Yuri

894
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,640
Geller.
Of course.

895
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,120
The first project or the first
individual that we hear about

896
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,800
even in the Wikipedia article
that you're looking at about

897
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,720
Project Stargate, is Uri Geller
a total fraud.

898
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Yes, this dude was a total
fraud.

899
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,600
You know, clearly a total fraud.
Yeah, like, he, like, failed,

900
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,760
like miserably.
I mean, he still is living today

901
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,320
and is a musician as well and a
magician and he believes A

902
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,480
psychic.
But like, you know, is this

903
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:03,720
something that that we can look
at and say these black budget,

904
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:11,480
you know, military departments,
there's no any way that the

905
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,760
military thinks they can get a
slight edge.

906
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,240
They're gonna take it.
And I personally think like, you

907
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:21,600
know, trying to cover a a topic
like Project Stargate, it's

908
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,600
interesting to know that the
United States military is

909
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,240
interested in psychics and knows
that there could be some value

910
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,200
behind it.
I mean, this project lasted for

911
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,640
over 20 years and it was
dissolved into the CIA.

912
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,800
Like it goes from the Defense
Department into the CIA, which

913
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,720
is even has like even more black
budget shit and is able to hide

914
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:46,880
things better.
Like it's a no brainer for me.

915
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,400
In our next episode, we're going
to talk about CIA.

916
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,080
There's CIA dude.
Fucked up.

917
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,440
Dude, they've got so much shit
going on like they are, dude.

918
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:04,760
Like they've got OK yeah I I.
It's onions.

919
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,800
Onions upon onions.
Levels and levels and layers and

920
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,800
layers, Yes.
They're they're they're doing so

921
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,520
much with so many different
facets of things that we don't

922
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,920
even understand.
And in in our our episode in a

923
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,440
couple of weeks, we're going to
talk about another thing that

924
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,880
the CIA has is doing, has done
and they've been doing since the

925
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:36,320
40s, weird shit like that.
And it's just, you know, things

926
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,360
we don't understand, but like
legit stuff that they will

927
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,080
debunk.
Yes.

928
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,360
That everyone will debunk.
They will debunk because they

929
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,720
don't want anyone to know about
it.

930
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,800
No, but we yeah, like, like we
were saying, they will never

931
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,280
tell us.
We never know about the

932
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,760
successes and the things that
actually were avoided because of

933
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,680
a project or a psychic or
whatever, period.

934
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,240
We'll never know about it.
I thought this would be a good

935
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,760
episode to kind of talk about,
to get like a basis in remote

936
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,640
viewing because there are
individuals that I really want

937
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,920
to talk about specifically that
have helped out and helped out

938
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,640
during past wars.
We're talking World War 2 that

939
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,880
we're on the government's, you
know?

940
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,600
That's a good that's a good
segue.

941
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,360
We need to we definitely need to
do an episode where we actually

942
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:31,600
talk about not the crazy, dumb
frauds, but the legit yes,

943
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,240
peeps.
I and I have that.

944
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,600
I I wanted to talk about how,
you know the government does

945
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,440
have black budgets and we don't
know where the money's going

946
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,840
towards, but just showing that
they put this much money towards

947
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,480
a dude who was a potential
fraud, like I think it's

948
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,240
important to cover so but this
was a it was a fun episode to

949
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,040
kind of talk about.
Yeah.

950
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,880
And I think, you know, I think
that we have like a good basis

951
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,400
to talk about for our next
episode.

952
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:55,840
I.
Agree.

953
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,200
Meanwhile, we do have a
listener.

954
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,360
Oh.
We're going to listen to

955
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,840
something fun, too.
Yes, yeah, a listener who is

956
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,880
asking for advice.
So we're going to share that

957
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:13,480
before we do share that I if you
guys want to once again go on to

958
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,520
our website andthebazaaraf.com
and submit your question or you

959
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,960
know, give us a call.
I said at the top of the episode

960
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,240
what the phone number was.
But but also if you have advice

961
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:29,760
for this person because they are
asking for advice, yeah, please

962
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,880
share it with us, share it with
us and we will.

963
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,560
We'll share it.
We'll share it on.

964
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,160
Yeah, you can put comments on a
Spotify.

965
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,160
If you use a Spotify user, you
can do comments in on the

966
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,960
episode there.
You can go to our website like

967
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,960
she's.
Go to our Instagram, go to our

968
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,960
anywhere.
Contact us on our website, leave

969
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,360
us a voicemail, all kinds of
stuff.

970
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,520
Yeah, let's listen to this
question.

971
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:59,640
Hey fam, I love the podcast and
value your opinions, so I wanted

972
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,240
to reach out to get your
thoughts on a pretty delicate

973
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:07,800
subject that is an ongoing topic
of conversation in my household.

974
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,880
I have a 13 LB ish dog that I
want to get taxidermied.

975
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,520
I think it's totally normal.
Why don't people do this more

976
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,760
often?
Taxidermy pets, keep them

977
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,520
forever, right on your bedside
table, 'cause that's what I plan

978
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,000
to do with my guy.
He he hasn't kicked it yet.

979
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,960
He's got some dementia, some
hearing loss, blurred vision,

980
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,360
I'm sure.
But yeah, I'm thinking the

981
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,760
taxidermy is in his future.
Is this bizarre as fuck, or is

982
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,920
this is this a new trend?
Maybe I don't know, so let me

983
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,920
know your thoughts.
Well, first of all, thanks

984
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,760
Jacqueline for that great
comment.

985
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,600
Yes.
Thank you, Jacqueline.

986
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,640
Second of all, I think you are a
crazy bitch.

987
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Second of all, like bedside
table taxidermy.

988
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,160
You crazy I.
Don't know what are you gonna

989
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,440
do?
You're gonna be like, OK, put on

990
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,640
my like, I have an entire
routine before I go to bed.

991
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,880
Put on my sleep mask like eye
mask.

992
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:20,480
Put on my linage lip mask and.
Then kiss your taxidermy dog.

993
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,720
Kiss my kiss my taxidermy dog
good night.

994
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Love ya.
So let's.

995
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,640
So let's dissect this question.
First of all, I love my pets so

996
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,320
damn much that I can't.
I can't.

997
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,280
I can't say that what she's
doing is crazy.

998
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:48,200
No.
Because, I mean, I love my dogs

999
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,000
to dad.
Do you have a favorite?

1000
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,000
Well, see, we've Roy and I have
had two.

1001
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,840
We had two Dalmatians, Lucy and
Ricky.

1002
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,440
Suck you up.
And now we and Ricky with an eye

1003
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,720
'cause they're both girls.
Oh yeah.

1004
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,160
And now we have Marvin and
Gizmo, and I love them all

1005
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,400
equally.
OK, but right now?

1006
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,040
OK, if I no, I don't have a
favorite.

1007
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,880
I know you have.
Yeah, you Marvin.

1008
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,760
For sure.
Marvin's the one who's been in

1009
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,760
this episode.
If you guys have been watching.

1010
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Yeah, Marvin his.
Popping and popping in and out.

1011
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,560
Yes, yeah, he's been.
Very needy.

1012
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Today he has.
So I I get it.

1013
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,560
I I personally wouldn't do it.
OK.

1014
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,800
But I get it, yes.
Although how come you don't

1015
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,080
taxidermy?
Sorry, this is gonna get

1016
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,000
gruesome and really.
Deep.

1017
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,320
But like, what if your child
died?

1018
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,440
Would you taxidermy your child?
No hail.

1019
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,200
Well.
Well, it's probably illegal.

1020
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,560
Yeah, I think it's illegal.
But they do have like forms of

1021
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,960
embalming.
And people will like in

1022
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,840
different countries, they'll
have their embalmed loved ones,

1023
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,440
like living, like technically
living with them for a while,

1024
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
like for a period.
Yeah, it's actually one of the

1025
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,040
topics that I have on our topic.
List.

1026
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:10,840
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.

1027
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Wait a minute.
Wait.

1028
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,200
So they will embalm the loved
one.

1029
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,440
I wonder if we could try to get
him a mortician or something on

1030
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,960
here.
I think we probably could.

1031
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,800
I know some.
Folks, and then this dead,

1032
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,720
embalmed person will be in the
household for some period of

1033
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,400
time.
Yeah, or they'll even be

1034
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,400
embalmed.
Yes.

1035
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,200
They'll be like in the
household, like embalmed in a

1036
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320
fashion that they would have
been living.

1037
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,880
So like, I think if this is in
like South America or Mexico

1038
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,000
where I saw one and even
embalming like as they would be

1039
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,720
in their lifetime.
So there was one guy who really

1040
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,520
loved his motorcycle.
I wonder if he died on his

1041
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:46,760
motorcycle.
I don't know, fucking know.

1042
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,840
I'm just making that up.
But like he was posed on his

1043
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,240
motorcycle like a crotch rocket,
kind of 1 posed on it with his

1044
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,080
like sunglasses on and
everything.

1045
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,920
But like his crotch, Rocket was
like standing and he was like on

1046
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,920
it posed in a way that he would
have been riding and like people

1047
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,440
went to the funeral with.
Him on his crotch rocket.

1048
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,280
Yes, yes.
Oh my God.

1049
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,560
Yeah, which is crazy.
So like human stuff can

1050
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,880
potentially happen.
And like and some some cultures,

1051
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:23,680
people will have their loved
ones dead and they're like

1052
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,520
mummified remains will be living
with or they'll like bring them

1053
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:32,280
out like every year and have
them with them because they're

1054
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,680
not like a symbolizing like
they've never really left.

1055
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Like they still are honoring
their loved one and like they

1056
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,160
have a seat at the table.
Gotcha.

1057
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,040
Right, like an actual seat at
the table, even though they're

1058
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,720
rigor mortis and like all bones
or whatever, you know?

1059
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,080
Like I said, I can't.
I can't blame her for doing it

1060
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,760
and wanting to do it.
I think it's great.

1061
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,560
You say you would not do it.
But I don't think I would

1062
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,120
personally do it, no.
What if you really wanted?

1063
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,480
Not that kind of like I don't
need the physical.

1064
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,320
Like me personally, I just don't
need that physical thing.

1065
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,680
What?
Would you do when your

1066
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,760
Dalmatians passed away?
They were cremated.

1067
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,240
OK, do you still have their
cremate cremains?

1068
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,640
No, they were spread.
Oh, OK.

1069
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,280
Nice.
Yeah.

1070
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:18,800
By you.
Yeah.

1071
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Oh, nice.
Yeah.

1072
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,680
Oh, cool.
I was like, no, you're just like

1073
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,280
you told the vet.
You're like, whatever, Do

1074
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:27,840
whatever.
Yeah, throw them in a fucking.

1075
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,200
What would you would you
taxidermy?

1076
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,840
OK, this is going to be really
morbid.

1077
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:39,040
OK, So I think my like my Cal
Oliver who I love to death.

1078
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,760
He's not very smart, but he is
just so, so sweet.

1079
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,760
That's how I like him anyways.
Yeah.

1080
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Dumb and sweet.
Yeah.

1081
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,560
Just really, really dumb, but
like, needy.

1082
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:53,840
Dave, don't listen to this,
actually.

1083
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,280
He's like so not dumb, but like
whatever.

1084
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,160
Anyways, he's so soft so like I
could see.

1085
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,920
Oh my God, you are not going
there.

1086
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,200
Like I that is.
No, no, stop it.

1087
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,800
I have success.
I've said this to Dave.

1088
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,680
I'm like, we're actually talking
about Cruella on the break and

1089
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,760
like, OK, there was a time like,
Oh my God, why would you ever

1090
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,520
skin Dalmatians?
That's awful.

1091
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,920
I was like, I want the coat, but
I'm like, honestly, his fur is

1092
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,800
so soft.
Like would I want to pet him

1093
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,640
again if I knew the?
Him.

1094
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,680
But don't you don't have to
stuff him, because this is gonna

1095
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,640
be hard.
Oh my God, I'm sorry, but you

1096
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,080
think skinning is less weird
than taxidermy?

1097
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:48,120
Yes, because then you can pet
pet a soft fur as opposed to

1098
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:53,480
this stuffed hard animal.
What if we could put like the

1099
01:01:53,480 --> 01:02:07,560
bean bag material and then it's
like not super like Steph like?

1100
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:14,440
And then you And then you can
pose them like with their little

1101
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,720
legs crossed on her little
chair.

1102
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,320
Yes, I think like, Oh my God,
this is so fucked up.

1103
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,640
But, like, you know, OK, you
don't have cramps, But like, I

1104
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,200
get cramps occasionally.
And like, they make these

1105
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,400
things, like out of rice or like
beans or whatever, that you can

1106
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,080
heat up in the microwave and
then put it on your lower

1107
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:37,080
stomach and it's soothes.
It's like Jacqueline, I'm

1108
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,440
Lithia, Girl, I'm with you.
I think you should get your

1109
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,320
fucking dog stuffed.
Stuff that dog, OK?

1110
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,960
I say skin that dog and cremate
and then cremate and spread it

1111
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,840
in the world.
And then you still have a pet, A

1112
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,120
furry fur.
OK.

1113
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,320
And then you can make a bean bag
out.

1114
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,840
Of there then you can then you
can have somebody.

1115
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,480
But if you have like the
skeletal remains like, it would

1116
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,840
probably be more like.
Oh my God, Marvin.

1117
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaking of shaking.
Oh my gosh, 'cause Marvin knows

1118
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,880
that we're talking shit about
stuffing him.

1119
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,360
Oh my God.
That's why he's like he knows

1120
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,080
he's psychic.
He's in Project Stargate.

1121
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:20,160
Yeah, but I I I think she should
do it, alright.

1122
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,160
She should do it.
Alright, Jacqueline.

1123
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,280
Go.
You have permission to text

1124
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,640
determine your dog.
Yeah, at least from a stamp of

1125
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:33,920
approval.
All right, Well, if you guys

1126
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,800
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1127
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,280
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1128
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,320
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1129
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,720
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1130
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,000
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1131
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,280
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1132
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:57,960
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call at 970 something or other.

1133
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:07,000
1/8 No, don't.
No, it's 970-364-3663 and I'm

1134
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,680
going to make a Jingle so that
we can all remember it.

1135
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:10,720
Oh my God.
Yes.

1136
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:12,840
OK, well.
Thanks again.

1137
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,360
Fun episode.
Thank you.

1138
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,600
All right, see you guys.
Bye.