Aug. 16, 2025
Leaded Killers
In this episode of Bizarre AF, Alesha will delve into the unsettling connection between lead poisoning and the prevalence of serial killers in the Pacific Northwest. We explore the historical context of lead usage, its effects on human health, and the environmental consequences of smelting. The conversation also touches on ancient civilizations' use of lead, the greed that perpetuated its use, and the regulations that have been implemented to mitigate its impact. Ultimately, the episode raises thought-provoking questions about the correlation between lead exposure and crime rates, particularly in the context of the 1970s.
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Hello Bizarre story friends, if
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AFI am Alicia, I'm your Hostess
for today's episode and as
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always, we ask that you keep an
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Leaded killers.
Ahoy, ahoy.
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How are you, Kevin?
Hey.
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Girl, Ryan.
Hey, I'm I'm so excited about
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Sharon.
Actually.
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I'm so sad.
I just broke my face.
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I'll fix it.
What happened?
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I don't know, I, I was, I was
aggressively fanning myself.
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We were just talking about.
If you guys are watching that I
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made Alicia a 3D fan.
I printed it my birthday.
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I'm gonna I'll fix it.
I'll.
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Fix it.
So beautiful but I just looked
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I'm like what?
What is going on?
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We were talking about it's, you
know, it's the summertime, which
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whenever you're listening to
this, it's it's a hot summer.
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And although we are glistening
and looking beautiful.
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Glowy Dewey things.
Glowy, Dewey, young, fresh you
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know you know it's warm, so I I
had just I just broke it I'm.
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I'm going to fix it.
I'll fix it for you.
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Thank you SO.
Much.
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You're welcome.
OK, so I'm going to give you a
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list of people.
OK.
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And see if you can think of
something that they all have in
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common.
OK, OK.
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Ted Bundy.
OK.
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Gary Ridgway.
OK.
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Kenneth Bianchi, one of the
Hillside Stranglers.
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Jake Bird, who was a serial
killer active in the Pacific
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Northwest.
Timothy Burkhart, Another serial
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killer.
OK, Jason Eugene Bush, Pacific
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Northwest serial killer Charles
Rodman Campbell once again a.
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Serial killer.
From the Pacific Northwest, John
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Dwight Canaday.
Insert the above.
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Harvey Carnigan, Harvey Collins,
Alvin Brown The Moala Forest
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Killer.
Oregon's most prolific.
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OK.
Richard Allen, Richard Lawrence,
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Marquette, Wesley Allen Dodd,
Joe Conadro, William Scott
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Smith, The Coin Shop Killer.
OK.
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Stanley Bernsen, James Edward
Ruseka, the Want ad killer,
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Jerry Brutos and the I already
talked about that they're moralo
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a force killer.
So can you?
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Can you figure it out?
Sure, sure, sure.
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So three things.
OK, three things.
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Yes, they're all male.
Oh yeah, yeah.
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I bet you they're all white.
Yes, I think that the majority
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of them are.
And they're all from what is
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that the Northwest Washington,
Oregon?
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Pacific Northwest.
Pacific Northwest, those three
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things.
And they're all oh, and four.
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And they're all murderers.
Ding Ding Ding.
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Not only are they a list of some
of the most prolific serial
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killers in modern history, they
all happen to come from the
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Pacific Northwest just like you
were.
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Saying that's a creepy.
Exactly, and all of them
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happened to be active around the
same time.
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What?
Really.
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At this time, the Tacoma, like
in Tacoma, WA, the Tacoma
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smelter was smelting away
gushing toxins into the air at,
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you know, a very unregulated
rate.
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And all of these men, and they
are all men of course, if you
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were saying were either born in
this the Tacoma area or migrated
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there at an early age.
And all of them were exposed to
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an incredible amount of lead in
the air, in the ground, in gas,
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and.
What?
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In the walls.
Holy shit balls.
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Yeah, yeah.
That's fascinating.
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Uh huh.
Yeah.
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So over time this lead the
substance seeped into theirs and
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everyone else's bodies, right.
If you are in a an environment
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and there is high amounts of
something in the air, in your
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water, in the ground, you know
that's where all of the plants
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around you, vegetables are
growing, of course it's going to
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have an effect.
Of course you're going to absorb
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it, yeah.
You're going to totally absorb
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it.
So what does that effect have?
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Yes.
I mean, it's very similar to
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really absolutely anything where
I always go in my mind, I go,
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you know how there's always an
increase in, I don't know, I'm
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just gonna make stuff up.
Autism, cancer right there,
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ADHD, yeah.
All these, this list of things
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and I go, well, there's this
microwaves, there's
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preservatives in food.
There's these contaminations
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that these freaking companies
just dump everywhere.
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Like all of these things have to
have an effect on us as a human
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being.
Yes, yeah, absolutely.
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It has to have an effect,
whether that's negative or
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potentially good.
Right.
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If we're like.
If we're putting fluoride in the
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water and people have less teeth
falling out of.
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Their egg, exactly.
Like it could be, it could work
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the other way too.
But yeah, it has to have an
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effect on you.
That's right.
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So over time, this insidious
substance seeped into theirs and
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everyone else's bodies, like you
were saying, slowly corrupting
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them and perhaps planting seeds
of these heinous acts that they
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would later commit or removing
that inhibition to act upon
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their most ruthless and sinister
desires.
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So we can't necessarily say for
certain that the lead poisoning
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specifically was the only reason
that these men like committed
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these crimes.
But the lead has been proven to
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affect the body and mind,
especially in the developing
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mind and.
Well, don't they say that about
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most things?
Like as a child growing up when
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you're developing like, you're
more susceptible to that kind of
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stuff, right?
Yeah, it's, it's a growing body.
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If, if you're around like
something that's poisonous,
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you're going to be far more
affected. 1, you know, just from
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a size perspective, but two,
you're actively growing.
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Everything is actively, you
know, yeah, just growing.
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So it's more sensitive to the
environment around it and really
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like, you know, this developing
mind that they're having as
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these children.
You know, the question that I
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continue to ask is, you know,
could it have sent some of these
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men down, you know, really a
path of evil.
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Why not?
Yeah.
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And especially it's freaking
crazy that they're all from the
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same area.
Some Tacoma.
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That's weird.
Tacoma Tacoma, WA That's.
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For something's up.
There's something up.
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It wasn't just like one or two.
It's like.
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You're right exactly you did
this whole list.
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It was like, you know, close to
20.
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And these are names that we've
all heard of.
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Yeah.
It's not like the got the serial
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or the Highway 9 murderer.
You know, it's like these are
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actual names of people who've
gotten caught.
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Wow.
So ultimately what we're talking
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about today is lead.
Not only are these the most, you
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know, pro prolific people, you
know, we they were all of these
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men were were born in that area
and it's let us remarkable.
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They were all.
Born Were they were born or or
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or or or somehow.
Raised.
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During those developmental.
Years.
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Yeah.
Wow.
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So lead is really a remarkable
medal with some potential
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clearly horrific consequences
for the human body.
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And you might be asking like,
how did you know about this?
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There is a book called
Murderland by Carolyn Frazier
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that talks about this exact
thing and Dave who helped me
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write this, I'm gonna shout.
Out today.
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Read the whole thing and you
know, really wrote wrote the.
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Oh nice.
Yeah, yeah.
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So he, he, yeah.
Thanks, Dave.
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And he, he was saying there's
something up with us.
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He and I have talked about, like
lead poisoning and potential
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boomer bullshit.
Like why are these people so
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selfish?
Why do they, What could it be?
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Because of lead poisoning?
It's like a standard thing.
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So this is specifically about
the Pacific Northwest and lead.
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So, so not take us off topic,
but, and I don't know if you're
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going to cover this, but you
know, the lead used to be used.
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I think it's a sweetener in
Egypt.
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Didn't they take it like a lead
container and they used to put
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acidic things as something in it
and it used to make it sweet?
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I'm sure.
I think that's, I think I'm not
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making that up.
I'm sure.
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I'm sure they fucking did.
I'm sure they did.
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I mean, our gas was leaded.
Yes, yes.
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For years and years and years,
and now what you can see up when
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you go and pump gas into your
car, you see unleaded or as
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you're passing by a gas station
that says unleaded and it has a
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price, diesel, a price there
they found that there were
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toxic.
Yeah, you don't.
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See regular?
They could see regular gas
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anymore.
No, it's all unleaded.
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It's all unleaded.
They removed lead from it
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because they found that it is
not.
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Good.
So toxic.
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Wow, crazy.
Paint.
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Paint was another.
Paint.
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Everything had lead in it.
And, you know, people are
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saying, you know, like the baby
boomer generation by and large
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had a lot of lead that they were
open to.
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It was in metal.
It was in like metal cups,
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bottles.
Toys, Toys.
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You know, paint everything.
So could it be that's why they
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are very selfish, a very selfish
generation who is choosing to
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not retire and stay in political
office and not leave?
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Like, could that have something
to do with that?
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But personally, I think that
that could be part of the reason
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because people used to retire at
like 65 and now they're either
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choosing not to retire or, you
know, staying in their massive
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Mcmansions instead of, you know,
going down to, I don't know, a
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condo like the majority of.
Old people used to do.
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So ultimately, this book by
Carolyn Frazier attempts to draw
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a relationship between a
smelter, specifically in Tacoma,
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and the proliferation of serial
killers in the Pacific Northwest
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during the heyday of serial
killing.
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Is this success?
What the?
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Smelter.
No it does not, but good
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question because what the fuck
is a smelter?
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Yeah, this is a.
It's a yes, I think so.
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OK, tell me.
I think it's a great big, I
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think place where they melt
metals right and or form Nuggets
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or things that can be sent off
to be then transformed into
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whatever they need to be.
Right, yes, that's a great,
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that's a great way to phrase it.
It's, it's essentially like a
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commercial volcano, right?
And it you take melting rocks
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and turn it into melt metal.
You melt rocks, turn it into
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metal.
If you think that rocks cannot
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be like liquefied, I you're
wrong.
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You're right.
Everything in a solid-state can
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become liquid magma.
Magma.
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Yeah, exactly.
It burns.
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So like the the hotter
temperature that you place these
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rocks into it, you know, messes
with the composition of the of
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it being solid and creates a
liquid.
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So we're going to talk a little
bit more about this like
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polluting facility, the smelter
in in Tacoma.
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So the Tacoma Milling and
smelting company creates the
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smelter, this volcano like thing
in 1880 to smelt ore from local
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gold, silver, copper, but mainly
lead mines in the area and in
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Alaska.
It's kind of like a stop off
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point.
So as the new gold, as the new
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gold rush happens, resources are
thrusted through the Northwest
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during the early days of the
industrial revolution.
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Ultimately at that time, you
know, America's hunger for all
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things corrosive becomes
insatiable.
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And smelting was a great way to
produce these things.
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Like how do we, we don't need
like a blacks and small one,
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like we have all of this
information, all this space, all
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of these materials that are
coming in.
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So smelters are all over the
place and especially in Tacoma
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because it's on the coast.
That's where people come from
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during the gold rush in Alaska
and on the West Coast.
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So this smelter continues to
smelt and grow and grow and
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churn out money for the owners
who created it and ultimately
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the death of the residents in
Tacoma.
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So Ruston, well in Ruston, where
it was located.
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But for the sake of this, we're
just going to, we're just going
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to call it Tacoma.
So it's around Tacoma, but it's
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really fucking Tacoma.
As time went by, it grew and it
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grew like a cancer distilling
into the air and then into
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people's lungs and this
insidious smoke that is in the
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air.
The smokestacks eventually
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topped at 571 feet in height.
Good Lord.
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It was the defining symbol of
Tacoma.
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If you go back to historic
photos of Tacoma you'll see
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these smokestacks.
Just pull it up, Google it,
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check for that smelter and you
will find it.
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Wow, So what kind of things, you
know really does a smelter
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produce as a byproduct is a real
question.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean I.
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Mean that stuff that you don't
want has to be somewhere.
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Whether it be smoke, vapor, ash,
that's something.
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Yeah, yeah.
I mean if you are bringing a
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gold nugget in, often times the
gold nugget is in a big larger.
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Rock, and it's not all gold.
It's not all gold, so you need
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to distill it down to so you
know, what is that by by
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product, the the gold and silver
that comes out clean and
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valuable, you know, has a shit
load of things that are actually
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inside of it.
And initially these are waste
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chemicals that are thrown into
the air as vapor with abandoned,
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you know, nobody cares.
So sulfur's another ingredient.
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It's mainly sulfur dioxide,
which is a colorless and
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invisible gas, but to some
extent sulfuric acid, which is a
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liquid.
Arsenic, usually as an oxide,
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but a white solid.
Zinc, mainly the oxide.
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Oxide of a sulfate, but it's
white solids.
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Lead, usually as the sulfate, a
white solid of the sulfide, a
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black solid, but sometimes the
oxide, which is a yellowish
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solid.
OK, now all of these things are
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known to be incredibly toxic to
humans.
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The, the current EPA right now
at the time that we are
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recording mandates tolerable
levels of these substances that
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can be introduced into the
environment.
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But if you're Ted Bundy back in
the 19, you know, 50s, you know,
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growing up with an eyesight, you
can see these smokestacks of the
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smelter.
There was very little to protect
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you from the lead in the air
that you breathed, the ground
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that you walked on, and the dirt
that nestled beneath your dirty
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fingernails after a day of play.
Well, think about it like back
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then, that back then they didn't
know what they didn't know and
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or probably care if they didn't
know.
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But like you said, lead and all
kinds of things, asbestos, like
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all this stuff that we know now
is so incredibly harmful, was
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everywhere.
Yeah, yeah, everywhere,
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everywhere.
And how could it not have an
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effect on people?
Exactly.
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So I thought that we would kind
of talk a little bit about lead
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and the history of it because
come on, you know me, I'm like a
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fucking history home.
And like all good stories about
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history, we can start with the
Romans.
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They always come in.
They actually regarded lead as
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the ancients or or excuse me, as
the father of all metals, but
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the deity that they associated
with the substance substance was
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Saturn.
And this Titan devoured his own
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young.
So like, you know, Saturn
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actually ate its own children
like the the God.
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So the very word saturnine and
in its most specific meaning
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applies to an individual whose
temperament has become uniformly
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gloomy, cynical, and tac turn as
the results of lead
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intoxication.
So what was led in?
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And really the question that we
should be asking ourselves with
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the Romans is what was it not
in?
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So here are a few things you
could find lead in if you're a
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Roman at the turn of the
millennia.
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Face powder makeup, which you
always hear about that
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spermicide metal for chastity
belts, Sweet and sour condiment,
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like they put lead into it.
The Romans.
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That goes right back.
I think they were using.
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They use it as a sweetener.
As a sweetener, yes.
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OK, so the Romans did that.
Yes.
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And you know what?
Romans and Egyptians, they knew
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each other.
You know, they probably got it
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from each other as a wine.
Preservatives.
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You put it in wine to make it
last longer and everyone drank a
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shit load of wine.
Everything that you were cooking
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with had lead in it, coins of
course, and then any kind of
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plumbing.
So lead was so prevalent in
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Roman culture that something
that it may have been a catalyst
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for the fall of the Roman Empire
or and the fall of the Roman
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elite essentially.
There is a pattern of mental
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incompetence from the elite at
this time.
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The elite were the people who
controlled everything, as they
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always seem to do.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
How things have changed.
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And some researchers have
attempted to connect this
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behavior to our good friend LED.
So they're like, oh, people
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started acting really crazy and
in the Roman Empire and like,
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things were kind of going
sideways.
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And rather than trying to right
the ship, these people were
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fucking going sideways with it.
And like, there has to be
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something like, these people
were raised intelligently.
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They had the best tutors.
They were, you know, they could
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read, they could write, they
could, you know, speak multiple
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languages.
Why are they going so sideways?
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And so a lot of historians think
it's because of the lead.
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Makes so much sense, yeah.
So actually, here's a fun quote.
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The 1st century AJ was a time of
unbridled gluttony and
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drunkenness among the ruling arc
obligarchs of Rome.
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The lead concealed in the food
and wine they devoured
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undoubtedly had a great deal to
do with an outbreak of
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unprecedented epidemics of
satterine gout, OK, and
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sterility among aristocratic
males, and the alarming rate of
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infertility and stillbirths
among aristocratic women.
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So the presence of lead
continues all throughout the
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Western civilization up to and
including the present day.
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Although luckily we now have
unleaded gasoline, so we don't
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have, we're not filling up our
tanks with this stuff.
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Right or using it like you, you
not, I don't there are actually
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laws that prevent us from like
get to get like I said, getting
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toys from China that have lead
in them or all kinds of things.
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Yeah, I mean you, you can see
old or excuse me, you can see
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videos.
I I go down, you know, YouTube
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or TikTok rabbit holes.
And I love watching ones where
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people are like going to antique
malls or like antiquing or like
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thrifting and they have a lead
detector.
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Oh really?
And they'll.
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Put it on.
Everything.
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See if it's lead.
Everything's lead.
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Yeah, Bad.
And, and here's the thing, I bet
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it's not just.
Well, like you said, paint.
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I mean you could have an object
that has paint.
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But it's not just shit from like
1950, it's coffee mugs today.
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Really.
Oh yeah.
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Oh my God.
Yeah, the the lead, the amount
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of lead in a lot of these like
items that you're getting from,
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I don't know, the cheap, the
cheap cheapo things still have
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lead in them.
Oh, great.
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Do you really think that like
anything that's shipped from a
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different country is being so?
Scrutinized.
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Yeah, Yeah.
No, not everything is right.
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So you can watch, you can watch
those on YouTube and see like
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people bring up like either a
kit or like there are ways to
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like detect it with like a
little metal, like it's kind of
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like a metal detector kind of
like lights up.
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Yeah.
And they're like, oh, lead,
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lead, lead.
And people will even like
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destroy them.
They'll go up to like the person
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at Goodwill or Arc or whatever
and say this has lead.
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This is all lead.
Wow, we don't care.
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We still want to make 2 bucks
off of it.
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He's like, oh, I'll buy it.
I'll.
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Buy it from you.
Yeah, so it still happens today,
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suffice it to say.
So as a gas, you might, you
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actually might be wondering,
since it's more, more or less
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since its discovery, humans
actually known that lead is
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dangerous.
So why the fuck was it ever even
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used?
And the answer is really simple.
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Good old greed.
Why do we create a gas out of
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lead that we know it's like
incredibly toxic?
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Right, because it's going to
make me money. 100% So there was
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a problem with early gas engines
before the catalytic converter
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and that was that the exhaust
valve within these engines and
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the seat would wear because of
knocking.
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They would knock against each
other.
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So there was and still is a
perfectly effective additive
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that already exists in the
world.
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And any jabroni with still and
the desire to get loaded can
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make it.
It's called ethanol alcohol or
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just ethanol.
So you may think that it's like
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a good enough option, right, for
gas, like for this industry.
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But there's so little profit in
trying to sell something that
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pretty much anyone can fucking
make, right?
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If you can make it in your
backyard, anyone can make it.
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So the people at General Motors
set upon a path to monetize a
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product for money, right?
So enter Charles Kettering,
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Charles Kettering, Thomas
Miggily and Thomas Boyd.
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They are the engineers for
General Motors and through some
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modern day alchemy they actually
created a substance called oh
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good God, Tetrathalmid.
Tetrathalid.
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Which, excuse me, whatever.
As you might guess, it's it's
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made of lead, right?
Oh, this is how they're
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developing this, this gas?
Yes, yes.
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So the product was made, it was
marketed and sold, and it was a
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fucking huge success.
Because it stopped the knocking.
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It stopped the knocking and
General Motors says this is the
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way to stop it.
We know that like Alka, like the
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ethanol will actually work, but.
But this is.
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Better.
This is way better.
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It's way better for your engine.
You know, don't use that stuff.
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Use our stuff.
It's going to make your engine
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in your, your, you know,
whatever work longer.
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So the product was made, it was
marketed and sold and was a huge
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success and it was really the
default additive for gas.
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So it did almost kill one one of
the creators, one of the
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Thomases shortly after its
creation, but whatever.
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It was like a smallpox Christ to
pay for some fucking greenbacks.
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Right, exactly.
Right.
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I mean and and honestly, you
know, no pun, pun intended
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killer profits right?
Like we who fucking cares?
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We can be killing ourselves and
everyone else, but at the end of
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the day, if our bank account no
doubt is stacked.
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So this all of this was
happening before the EPA was
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really massive.
And EPA is like the
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Environmental Protection Agency
and they are the ones who help
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regulate what is in, you know,
the products that we buy,
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anything that might be polluting
the environment, right?
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We need that because we've
learned the hard way that people
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will do anything for profit and
fuck over the environment and
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fuck over the people like in the
town and.
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That's why people don't like the
EPA, because it blocks.
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It blocks a lot of things.
A lot of things.
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Money.
Yeah, it's money.
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Like if the EPA were like, you
know, not bought and sold and
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like, you know, they're truly
trying to do good, they would
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have said, oh, hey, look, you
know, this gasoline or the stuff
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that you guys are creating, this
lead leaded product, we're not
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going to have it.
We're going to have just the
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ethanol and it's going to cost
people no money.
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But, you know, this was before
the regulations were really in
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effect.
So when we're looking at the
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history of lead emissions from
commercial endeavors, it's
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really hard to kind of track
where, you know, when it
452
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,840
happened, when the regulation
started because there's not much
453
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,600
of a timeline.
However, there is a very short
454
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,600
timeline of lead regulations and
gasoline, paint and drinking
455
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,000
water.
OK, So in 1970 Congress, this is
456
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,560
1970, my friends, Congress
passes the Clean Air Act, OK?
457
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,040
It gives the EPA the authority
to regulate lead as a pollutant.
458
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,840
So this is in gasoline.
We're looking at lead as being
459
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,160
an issue.
And this is in 1970, OK?
460
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,560
The, the all of this huge like,
like cars have been around for a
461
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,040
long time, right?
We have been pumping, pumping
462
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,840
gas into them for a very long
time.
463
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,440
But it takes until 1970 when we
have like muscle cars and shit
464
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,320
to actually to actually regulate
it.
465
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,800
So then we have in 1973, EPA
mandates that there be a
466
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:23,400
reduction in lead in gasoline.
OK 1974 Safe Water or Safe
467
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Drinking Water Act is enacted
giving the EPA authority to
468
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,480
regulate contaminants in public
drinking water.
469
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,200
That was in 1974.
We have 1978 the Consumer
470
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Product Safety Commission bans
the use of lead based paint in
471
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,240
residential homes and toys.
Then you know, we go through I
472
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,240
we're talking about lead pipes
like they're, you know in
473
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,480
anyone's plumbing.
You can't do that in 1986 like,
474
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,200
you know, move forward to 2024.
The EPA finalizes the Lead and
475
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,960
Copper Rule improvements, which
mandates the replacement of all
476
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,560
lead service lines within 10
years and lowering the lead
477
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,800
action level to 10 parts per
billion.
478
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,800
I'm sorry, this was last year.
Yeah, last year.
479
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,920
So we're currently potentially
drinking out of leaded.
480
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,120
Well, we we respectively are
then.
481
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,800
Yeah, yeah, isn't that fucking
crazy?
482
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,040
That's crazy.
So all of us, every single,
483
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,440
every person has some amount of
lead potential lead poisoning
484
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,480
because we consume it out of the
water pipes.
485
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,040
There's no way to get around it
unless you're filtering things
486
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,720
from, I mean, fuck even that.
It's like if you're, if you have
487
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,160
rainfall, you still have lead in
the environment that it's
488
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360
collecting.
Doesn't matter where you get
489
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,560
your water from, you have levels
of lead in you.
490
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,920
So the consequences.
So there's lead in the air,
491
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,200
right in the ground, all over
the place.
492
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,400
But really the question that I
continue to have is, is there
493
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,360
any data that I don't know would
fucking corroborate that this is
494
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,760
a crime, that that lead creates
crime?
495
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,280
And actually there is, there is
data, there's a graph that
496
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,120
actually shows which we can have
in our, we'll have a link to it
497
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,440
in our show notes that shows the
correlation between violent
498
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,560
crime in the United States and
preschool blood LED.
499
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,720
Wow.
Yeah.
500
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Oh, sorry.
Wow.
501
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Actual literal data that
correlates the two together.
502
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,440
That create?
Yeah, exactly.
503
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,200
Wow.
Which is fucking insane.
504
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,280
That's insane.
Now when you look at the graph,
505
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:00,360
you'll see that it actually
peaks in 1974, which funnily
506
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,920
enough is like around the time
that the very least of the
507
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,080
regulations were happening and
were introduced.
508
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,120
But as 1974 happens, that's
where it's peaking, and then
509
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440
more regulations happen.
It's going down.
510
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,760
It's going down drastically.
I'm going to show you Kevin and
511
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,760
this image.
Wow.
512
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Yeah, here, let me let me see if
I can show peeps because this.
513
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,040
So what's interesting about
this?
514
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,800
What I think, look at that.
That's amazing.
515
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,360
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's like it's super
516
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,480
high.
Like there, there, there's
517
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,400
definitely correlation there.
What's interesting is because
518
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760
when you read me that name, that
list of names and the kind of
519
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:58,880
the years, you don't see that
proliferation of that activity
520
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,840
anymore.
I mean, you don't.
521
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,960
There isn't that level of, I
mean, they're so crazy mass
522
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,640
murderers, but not that level.
No, no, you don't see that
523
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,200
level.
Weird, weird.
524
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Yeah.
I mean, you look at like Ted
525
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Bundy and they had an idea of
how many people he killed.
526
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,040
Like it was double digits, like
potentially up into the 30s,
527
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,000
right?
But you don't have that many
528
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,600
serial killers being reported
like you did then.
529
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Yes, it was a huge problem.
Yeah.
530
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,520
A huge problem and often times
like people say, well, maybe we
531
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,680
didn't track them or weren't
able to find them because, you
532
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
know, none of the police
departments were talking to each
533
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,560
other.
Well, maybe they well.
534
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Maybe that's some of it, yeah.
That could be a part of it, but
535
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,680
like but.
The quantity, Yeah, the.
536
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Quantity.
Like could it be that there's an
537
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:57,280
environmental reason behind it?
So, you know, ultimately when
538
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:04,600
I'm like looking at this whole,
you know, thing with any kind
539
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,960
of, you know, looking at our our
world, the way that things work,
540
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,320
you know, it would be a really
dumb question or a really dumb
541
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
statement to just be like, oh,
that's just like how why things
542
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,679
things happened back then, they
couldn't be tracked that
543
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,000
whatever.
But could there be an
544
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,239
environmental reason that people
act the way that they act, it
545
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,639
seems?
Possible to me?
546
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,400
Yeah, if it happened in fucking
in, you know, the around the
547
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
fall of the Roman Empire, why
the fuck would it not happen?
548
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Right.
And the fact that you they've
549
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,560
correlated the two together, I
mean that's sexual data that
550
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
literally links them together.
It's not speculation.
551
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,360
It's.
Not speculation.
552
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,000
No, it's not speculation.
They they're they're linking it.
553
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,200
They you see, you see that once
1974 happens, it's like the
554
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,240
height of things.
Like, think about things like
555
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,240
the Son of Sam, like all of
these, Yes, like these, the
556
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,920
Zodiac Killer.
Yes.
557
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,440
Like all of these people.
Yeah, that was seventies, 80s.
558
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,720
Yeah, when was the last time
that we had a prolific serial
559
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,480
killer like that?
I don't remember.
560
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,720
Exactly.
I mean, there, there have been
561
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,480
some, but but that was like such
a high that.
562
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Was like, a lot.
There was a lot of them.
563
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
God, that's so fat.
564
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
I would have never have
connected those two together.
565
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,800
No, no, I I think like I've I've
heard, I'd heard the the
566
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,360
theories that like, you know,
people are have different
567
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,920
poisoning due to their
environments.
568
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,200
And one, like I said before, one
thing I kept on going back to,
569
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,120
and you know, I would talk to
Dave about this all the time.
570
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Like why, why is it that we have
a generation that just seems so,
571
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,520
you know, set on what's best for
them rather than looking at the
572
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640
whole.
And I honestly, I feel like
573
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,160
that's the baby boomers, like
I'm, I'm not going to the OK
574
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,680
boomer like phrase and stuff.
That Karen, that idea, it, it is
575
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,160
prolific within that generation
who and that is the same
576
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,240
generation that would have been
affected before the 1974.
577
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,240
Yeah, yeah.
And and like we're saying, it's
578
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,840
still in our fucking drinking
water.
579
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,760
Right.
So according to the EPA, and I
580
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880
don't know, due to things that
could have happened, that could
581
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,560
be happening currently with DOGE
and like all that stuff, I'm
582
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,960
sure that the EPA has been
defunded or severely regulated
583
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
or cut at their knees.
Yeah.
584
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,640
So, so really the question is
this thing that passed in 19 or
585
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:56,760
2024, could it be that we're
supposed to have 10 years to
586
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,920
replace all of the lead pipes?
Could it be that now that's not
587
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,520
changing?
And so could we still have lead
588
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,920
for generations to come?
Well, I think you will because
589
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:21,000
because of money, obviously, I
mean greed, right?
590
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:29,680
People aren't going to comply or
they will figure out ways around
591
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,200
it.
Again, it all boils.
592
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,240
Everything always boils back
down to money.
593
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Yes, yeah.
Regardless of who it's killing,
594
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000
crazy.
So long as I mean, yeah,
595
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,320
regardless of who it's killing
because quite literally the guys
596
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,000
who killing, they're they're
killing.
597
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,280
But also, you know, they don't
even care if they're killed so
598
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120
long as potentially they'd be
able to make some kind of
599
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,440
profit.
But that greed is like insane.
600
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
It's it is fascinating.
It's leaded.
601
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,840
I feel like it's incredibly
leaded.
602
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,600
Yeah, I think so, Yeah.
So two things that I take away
603
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800
that shocked me from this
episode is the, again, the
604
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600
correlation between the two.
And it makes complete sense that
605
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,200
the 70s were so prolific with
this behavior.
606
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,800
Serial killer was boring but
that we.
607
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:25,000
Just last year came up with this
rule to finally try to fully
608
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,560
eliminate lead from our
environment.
609
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,080
I mean, that's nuts.
From our drinking water.
610
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,800
Water absorbs.
Like, think about putting a
611
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,400
slice of lemon in your water.
You taste the lemon.
612
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,920
You don't have to squeeze it,
right?
613
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,600
You can put a rind in there.
You don't have to squeeze.
614
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,000
You don't have to zest it or
anything.
615
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,200
You taste the flavor of that
lemon.
616
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,800
Yeah.
Now imagine this water sitting
617
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,960
in pipes exactly that are
corrosive, old, of course, and
618
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,560
have lead in them.
It will only absorb it.
619
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,360
Nuts.
The most dangerous thing it
620
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,240
could be in Wow.
Craziness.
621
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,880
Yeah.
There we go, whether it's
622
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,840
microplastics or lead.
Beware of it.
623
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,080
All.
Exactly.
624
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,400
Well, thanks, Dave, for helping
generate the episode.
625
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Yeah, it was freaking
fascinating.
626
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,000
It's a totally fascinating 1 and
if you guys figure out how to
627
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,200
delege your water, let a girl
know.
628
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,960
E-mail me or e-mail us at info
at the bizarre AF.
629
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,840
And don't put your wine in a
lead container to sweeten it.
630
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Yes, no bueno.
No, unless you want to live in a
631
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,280
padded cell and murder people.
Murder people?
632
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Yeah, Which we don't want that.
We don't.
633
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,520
OK, so cool.
Well, thanks for a great
634
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,120
episode.
Yeah.
635
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,520
No, thank you.
Perfect.
636
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,560
See you soon.
See you soon.
637
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Bye.
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Leaded killers.
Ahoy, ahoy.
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How are you, Kevin?
Hey.
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Girl, Ryan.
Hey, I'm I'm so excited about
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Sharon.
Actually.
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I'm so sad.
I just broke my face.
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I'll fix it.
What happened?
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I don't know, I, I was, I was
aggressively fanning myself.
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We were just talking about.
If you guys are watching that I
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made Alicia a 3D fan.
I printed it my birthday.
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I'm gonna I'll fix it.
I'll.
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Fix it.
So beautiful but I just looked
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I'm like what?
What is going on?
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We were talking about it's, you
know, it's the summertime, which
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whenever you're listening to
this, it's it's a hot summer.
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And although we are glistening
and looking beautiful.
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Glowy Dewey things.
Glowy, Dewey, young, fresh you
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know you know it's warm, so I I
had just I just broke it I'm.
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I'm going to fix it.
I'll fix it for you.
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Thank you SO.
Much.
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You're welcome.
OK, so I'm going to give you a
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list of people.
OK.
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And see if you can think of
something that they all have in
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common.
OK, OK.
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Ted Bundy.
OK.
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Gary Ridgway.
OK.
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Kenneth Bianchi, one of the
Hillside Stranglers.
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Jake Bird, who was a serial
killer active in the Pacific
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Northwest.
Timothy Burkhart, Another serial
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killer.
OK, Jason Eugene Bush, Pacific
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Northwest serial killer Charles
Rodman Campbell once again a.
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Serial killer.
From the Pacific Northwest, John
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Dwight Canaday.
Insert the above.
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Harvey Carnigan, Harvey Collins,
Alvin Brown The Moala Forest
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Killer.
Oregon's most prolific.
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OK.
Richard Allen, Richard Lawrence,
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Marquette, Wesley Allen Dodd,
Joe Conadro, William Scott
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Smith, The Coin Shop Killer.
OK.
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Stanley Bernsen, James Edward
Ruseka, the Want ad killer,
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Jerry Brutos and the I already
talked about that they're moralo
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a force killer.
So can you?
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Can you figure it out?
Sure, sure, sure.
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So three things.
OK, three things.
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Yes, they're all male.
Oh yeah, yeah.
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I bet you they're all white.
Yes, I think that the majority
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of them are.
And they're all from what is
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that the Northwest Washington,
Oregon?
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Pacific Northwest.
Pacific Northwest, those three
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things.
And they're all oh, and four.
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And they're all murderers.
Ding Ding Ding.
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Not only are they a list of some
of the most prolific serial
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killers in modern history, they
all happen to come from the
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Pacific Northwest just like you
were.
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Saying that's a creepy.
Exactly, and all of them
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happened to be active around the
same time.
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What?
Really.
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At this time, the Tacoma, like
in Tacoma, WA, the Tacoma
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smelter was smelting away
gushing toxins into the air at,
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you know, a very unregulated
rate.
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And all of these men, and they
are all men of course, if you
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were saying were either born in
this the Tacoma area or migrated
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there at an early age.
And all of them were exposed to
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an incredible amount of lead in
the air, in the ground, in gas,
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and.
What?
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In the walls.
Holy shit balls.
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Yeah, yeah.
That's fascinating.
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Uh huh.
Yeah.
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So over time this lead the
substance seeped into theirs and
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everyone else's bodies, right.
If you are in a an environment
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and there is high amounts of
something in the air, in your
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water, in the ground, you know
that's where all of the plants
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around you, vegetables are
growing, of course it's going to
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have an effect.
Of course you're going to absorb
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it, yeah.
You're going to totally absorb
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it.
So what does that effect have?
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Yes.
I mean, it's very similar to
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really absolutely anything where
I always go in my mind, I go,
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you know how there's always an
increase in, I don't know, I'm
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just gonna make stuff up.
Autism, cancer right there,
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ADHD, yeah.
All these, this list of things
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and I go, well, there's this
microwaves, there's
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preservatives in food.
There's these contaminations
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that these freaking companies
just dump everywhere.
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Like all of these things have to
have an effect on us as a human
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being.
Yes, yeah, absolutely.
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It has to have an effect,
whether that's negative or
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potentially good.
Right.
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If we're like.
If we're putting fluoride in the
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water and people have less teeth
falling out of.
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Their egg, exactly.
Like it could be, it could work
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the other way too.
But yeah, it has to have an
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effect on you.
That's right.
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So over time, this insidious
substance seeped into theirs and
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everyone else's bodies, like you
were saying, slowly corrupting
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them and perhaps planting seeds
of these heinous acts that they
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would later commit or removing
that inhibition to act upon
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their most ruthless and sinister
desires.
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So we can't necessarily say for
certain that the lead poisoning
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specifically was the only reason
that these men like committed
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these crimes.
But the lead has been proven to
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affect the body and mind,
especially in the developing
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mind and.
Well, don't they say that about
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most things?
Like as a child growing up when
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you're developing like, you're
more susceptible to that kind of
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stuff, right?
Yeah, it's, it's a growing body.
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If, if you're around like
something that's poisonous,
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you're going to be far more
affected. 1, you know, just from
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a size perspective, but two,
you're actively growing.
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Everything is actively, you
know, yeah, just growing.
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So it's more sensitive to the
environment around it and really
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like, you know, this developing
mind that they're having as
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these children.
You know, the question that I
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continue to ask is, you know,
could it have sent some of these
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men down, you know, really a
path of evil.
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Why not?
Yeah.
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And especially it's freaking
crazy that they're all from the
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same area.
Some Tacoma.
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That's weird.
Tacoma Tacoma, WA That's.
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For something's up.
There's something up.
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It wasn't just like one or two.
It's like.
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You're right exactly you did
this whole list.
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It was like, you know, close to
20.
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And these are names that we've
all heard of.
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Yeah.
It's not like the got the serial
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or the Highway 9 murderer.
You know, it's like these are
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actual names of people who've
gotten caught.
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Wow.
So ultimately what we're talking
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about today is lead.
Not only are these the most, you
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know, pro prolific people, you
know, we they were all of these
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men were were born in that area
and it's let us remarkable.
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They were all.
Born Were they were born or or
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or or or somehow.
Raised.
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During those developmental.
Years.
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Yeah.
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So lead is really a remarkable
medal with some potential
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clearly horrific consequences
for the human body.
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And you might be asking like,
how did you know about this?
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There is a book called
Murderland by Carolyn Frazier
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that talks about this exact
thing and Dave who helped me
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write this, I'm gonna shout.
Out today.
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Read the whole thing and you
know, really wrote wrote the.
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Oh nice.
Yeah, yeah.
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So he, he, yeah.
Thanks, Dave.
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And he, he was saying there's
something up with us.
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He and I have talked about, like
lead poisoning and potential
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boomer bullshit.
Like why are these people so
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selfish?
Why do they, What could it be?
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Because of lead poisoning?
It's like a standard thing.
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So this is specifically about
the Pacific Northwest and lead.
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So, so not take us off topic,
but, and I don't know if you're
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going to cover this, but you
know, the lead used to be used.
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I think it's a sweetener in
Egypt.
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Didn't they take it like a lead
container and they used to put
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acidic things as something in it
and it used to make it sweet?
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I'm sure.
I think that's, I think I'm not
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making that up.
I'm sure.
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I'm sure they fucking did.
I'm sure they did.
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I mean, our gas was leaded.
Yes, yes.
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For years and years and years,
and now what you can see up when
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you go and pump gas into your
car, you see unleaded or as
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you're passing by a gas station
that says unleaded and it has a
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price, diesel, a price there
they found that there were
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toxic.
Yeah, you don't.
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See regular?
They could see regular gas
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anymore.
No, it's all unleaded.
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It's all unleaded.
They removed lead from it
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because they found that it is
not.
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Good.
So toxic.
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Wow, crazy.
Paint.
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Paint was another.
Paint.
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Everything had lead in it.
And, you know, people are
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saying, you know, like the baby
boomer generation by and large
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had a lot of lead that they were
open to.
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It was in metal.
It was in like metal cups,
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bottles.
Toys, Toys.
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You know, paint everything.
So could it be that's why they
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are very selfish, a very selfish
generation who is choosing to
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not retire and stay in political
office and not leave?
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Like, could that have something
to do with that?
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But personally, I think that
that could be part of the reason
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because people used to retire at
like 65 and now they're either
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choosing not to retire or, you
know, staying in their massive
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Mcmansions instead of, you know,
going down to, I don't know, a
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condo like the majority of.
Old people used to do.
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So ultimately, this book by
Carolyn Frazier attempts to draw
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a relationship between a
smelter, specifically in Tacoma,
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and the proliferation of serial
killers in the Pacific Northwest
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during the heyday of serial
killing.
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Is this success?
What the?
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Smelter.
No it does not, but good
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question because what the fuck
is a smelter?
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Yeah, this is a.
It's a yes, I think so.
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OK, tell me.
I think it's a great big, I
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think place where they melt
metals right and or form Nuggets
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or things that can be sent off
to be then transformed into
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whatever they need to be.
Right, yes, that's a great,
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that's a great way to phrase it.
It's, it's essentially like a
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commercial volcano, right?
And it you take melting rocks
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and turn it into melt metal.
You melt rocks, turn it into
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metal.
If you think that rocks cannot
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be like liquefied, I you're
wrong.
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You're right.
Everything in a solid-state can
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become liquid magma.
Magma.
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Yeah, exactly.
It burns.
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So like the the hotter
temperature that you place these
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rocks into it, you know, messes
with the composition of the of
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it being solid and creates a
liquid.
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So we're going to talk a little
bit more about this like
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polluting facility, the smelter
in in Tacoma.
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So the Tacoma Milling and
smelting company creates the
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smelter, this volcano like thing
in 1880 to smelt ore from local
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gold, silver, copper, but mainly
lead mines in the area and in
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Alaska.
It's kind of like a stop off
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point.
So as the new gold, as the new
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gold rush happens, resources are
thrusted through the Northwest
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during the early days of the
industrial revolution.
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Ultimately at that time, you
know, America's hunger for all
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things corrosive becomes
insatiable.
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And smelting was a great way to
produce these things.
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Like how do we, we don't need
like a blacks and small one,
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like we have all of this
information, all this space, all
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of these materials that are
coming in.
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So smelters are all over the
place and especially in Tacoma
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because it's on the coast.
That's where people come from
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during the gold rush in Alaska
and on the West Coast.
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So this smelter continues to
smelt and grow and grow and
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churn out money for the owners
who created it and ultimately
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the death of the residents in
Tacoma.
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So Ruston, well in Ruston, where
it was located.
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But for the sake of this, we're
just going to, we're just going
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to call it Tacoma.
So it's around Tacoma, but it's
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really fucking Tacoma.
As time went by, it grew and it
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grew like a cancer distilling
into the air and then into
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people's lungs and this
insidious smoke that is in the
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air.
The smokestacks eventually
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topped at 571 feet in height.
Good Lord.
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It was the defining symbol of
Tacoma.
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If you go back to historic
photos of Tacoma you'll see
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these smokestacks.
Just pull it up, Google it,
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check for that smelter and you
will find it.
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Wow, So what kind of things, you
know really does a smelter
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produce as a byproduct is a real
question.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean I.
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Mean that stuff that you don't
want has to be somewhere.
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Whether it be smoke, vapor, ash,
that's something.
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Yeah, yeah.
I mean if you are bringing a
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gold nugget in, often times the
gold nugget is in a big larger.
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Rock, and it's not all gold.
It's not all gold, so you need
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to distill it down to so you
know, what is that by by
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product, the the gold and silver
that comes out clean and
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valuable, you know, has a shit
load of things that are actually
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inside of it.
And initially these are waste
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chemicals that are thrown into
the air as vapor with abandoned,
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you know, nobody cares.
So sulfur's another ingredient.
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It's mainly sulfur dioxide,
which is a colorless and
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invisible gas, but to some
extent sulfuric acid, which is a
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liquid.
Arsenic, usually as an oxide,
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but a white solid.
Zinc, mainly the oxide.
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Oxide of a sulfate, but it's
white solids.
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Lead, usually as the sulfate, a
white solid of the sulfide, a
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black solid, but sometimes the
oxide, which is a yellowish
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solid.
OK, now all of these things are
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known to be incredibly toxic to
humans.
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The, the current EPA right now
at the time that we are
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recording mandates tolerable
levels of these substances that
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can be introduced into the
environment.
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But if you're Ted Bundy back in
the 19, you know, 50s, you know,
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growing up with an eyesight, you
can see these smokestacks of the
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smelter.
There was very little to protect
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you from the lead in the air
that you breathed, the ground
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that you walked on, and the dirt
that nestled beneath your dirty
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fingernails after a day of play.
Well, think about it like back
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then, that back then they didn't
know what they didn't know and
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or probably care if they didn't
know.
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But like you said, lead and all
kinds of things, asbestos, like
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all this stuff that we know now
is so incredibly harmful, was
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everywhere.
Yeah, yeah, everywhere,
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everywhere.
And how could it not have an
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effect on people?
Exactly.
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So I thought that we would kind
of talk a little bit about lead
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and the history of it because
come on, you know me, I'm like a
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fucking history home.
And like all good stories about
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history, we can start with the
Romans.
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They always come in.
They actually regarded lead as
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the ancients or or excuse me, as
the father of all metals, but
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the deity that they associated
with the substance substance was
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Saturn.
And this Titan devoured his own
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young.
So like, you know, Saturn
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actually ate its own children
like the the God.
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So the very word saturnine and
in its most specific meaning
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applies to an individual whose
temperament has become uniformly
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gloomy, cynical, and tac turn as
the results of lead
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intoxication.
So what was led in?
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And really the question that we
should be asking ourselves with
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the Romans is what was it not
in?
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So here are a few things you
could find lead in if you're a
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Roman at the turn of the
millennia.
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Face powder makeup, which you
always hear about that
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spermicide metal for chastity
belts, Sweet and sour condiment,
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like they put lead into it.
The Romans.
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That goes right back.
I think they were using.
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They use it as a sweetener.
As a sweetener, yes.
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OK, so the Romans did that.
Yes.
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And you know what?
Romans and Egyptians, they knew
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each other.
You know, they probably got it
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from each other as a wine.
Preservatives.
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You put it in wine to make it
last longer and everyone drank a
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shit load of wine.
Everything that you were cooking
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with had lead in it, coins of
course, and then any kind of
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plumbing.
So lead was so prevalent in
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Roman culture that something
that it may have been a catalyst
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for the fall of the Roman Empire
or and the fall of the Roman
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elite essentially.
There is a pattern of mental
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incompetence from the elite at
this time.
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The elite were the people who
controlled everything, as they
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always seem to do.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
How things have changed.
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And some researchers have
attempted to connect this
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behavior to our good friend LED.
So they're like, oh, people
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started acting really crazy and
in the Roman Empire and like,
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things were kind of going
sideways.
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And rather than trying to right
the ship, these people were
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fucking going sideways with it.
And like, there has to be
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something like, these people
were raised intelligently.
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They had the best tutors.
They were, you know, they could
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read, they could write, they
could, you know, speak multiple
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languages.
Why are they going so sideways?
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And so a lot of historians think
it's because of the lead.
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Makes so much sense, yeah.
So actually, here's a fun quote.
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The 1st century AJ was a time of
unbridled gluttony and
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drunkenness among the ruling arc
obligarchs of Rome.
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The lead concealed in the food
and wine they devoured
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undoubtedly had a great deal to
do with an outbreak of
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unprecedented epidemics of
satterine gout, OK, and
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sterility among aristocratic
males, and the alarming rate of
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infertility and stillbirths
among aristocratic women.
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So the presence of lead
continues all throughout the
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Western civilization up to and
including the present day.
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Although luckily we now have
unleaded gasoline, so we don't
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have, we're not filling up our
tanks with this stuff.
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Right or using it like you, you
not, I don't there are actually
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laws that prevent us from like
get to get like I said, getting
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toys from China that have lead
in them or all kinds of things.
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Yeah, I mean you, you can see
old or excuse me, you can see
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videos.
I I go down, you know, YouTube
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or TikTok rabbit holes.
And I love watching ones where
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people are like going to antique
malls or like antiquing or like
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thrifting and they have a lead
detector.
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Oh really?
And they'll.
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Put it on.
Everything.
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See if it's lead.
Everything's lead.
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Yeah, Bad.
And, and here's the thing, I bet
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it's not just.
Well, like you said, paint.
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I mean you could have an object
that has paint.
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But it's not just shit from like
1950, it's coffee mugs today.
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Really.
Oh yeah.
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Oh my God.
Yeah, the the lead, the amount
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of lead in a lot of these like
items that you're getting from,
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I don't know, the cheap, the
cheap cheapo things still have
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lead in them.
Oh, great.
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Do you really think that like
anything that's shipped from a
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different country is being so?
Scrutinized.
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Yeah, Yeah.
No, not everything is right.
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So you can watch, you can watch
those on YouTube and see like
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people bring up like either a
kit or like there are ways to
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like detect it with like a
little metal, like it's kind of
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like a metal detector kind of
like lights up.
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Yeah.
And they're like, oh, lead,
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lead, lead.
And people will even like
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destroy them.
They'll go up to like the person
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at Goodwill or Arc or whatever
and say this has lead.
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This is all lead.
Wow, we don't care.
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We still want to make 2 bucks
off of it.
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He's like, oh, I'll buy it.
I'll.
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Buy it from you.
Yeah, so it still happens today,
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suffice it to say.
So as a gas, you might, you
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actually might be wondering,
since it's more, more or less
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since its discovery, humans
actually known that lead is
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dangerous.
So why the fuck was it ever even
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used?
And the answer is really simple.
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Good old greed.
Why do we create a gas out of
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lead that we know it's like
incredibly toxic?
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Right, because it's going to
make me money. 100% So there was
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a problem with early gas engines
before the catalytic converter
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and that was that the exhaust
valve within these engines and
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the seat would wear because of
knocking.
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They would knock against each
other.
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So there was and still is a
perfectly effective additive
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that already exists in the
world.
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And any jabroni with still and
the desire to get loaded can
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make it.
It's called ethanol alcohol or
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just ethanol.
So you may think that it's like
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a good enough option, right, for
gas, like for this industry.
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But there's so little profit in
trying to sell something that
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pretty much anyone can fucking
make, right?
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If you can make it in your
backyard, anyone can make it.
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So the people at General Motors
set upon a path to monetize a
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product for money, right?
So enter Charles Kettering,
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Charles Kettering, Thomas
Miggily and Thomas Boyd.
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They are the engineers for
General Motors and through some
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modern day alchemy they actually
created a substance called oh
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good God, Tetrathalmid.
Tetrathalid.
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Which, excuse me, whatever.
As you might guess, it's it's
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made of lead, right?
Oh, this is how they're
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developing this, this gas?
Yes, yes.
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So the product was made, it was
marketed and sold, and it was a
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fucking huge success.
Because it stopped the knocking.
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It stopped the knocking and
General Motors says this is the
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way to stop it.
We know that like Alka, like the
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ethanol will actually work, but.
But this is.
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Better.
This is way better.
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It's way better for your engine.
You know, don't use that stuff.
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Use our stuff.
It's going to make your engine
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in your, your, you know,
whatever work longer.
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So the product was made, it was
marketed and sold and was a huge
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success and it was really the
default additive for gas.
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So it did almost kill one one of
the creators, one of the
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Thomases shortly after its
creation, but whatever.
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It was like a smallpox Christ to
pay for some fucking greenbacks.
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Right, exactly.
Right.
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I mean and and honestly, you
know, no pun, pun intended
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killer profits right?
Like we who fucking cares?
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We can be killing ourselves and
everyone else, but at the end of
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the day, if our bank account no
doubt is stacked.
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So this all of this was
happening before the EPA was
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really massive.
And EPA is like the
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Environmental Protection Agency
and they are the ones who help
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regulate what is in, you know,
the products that we buy,
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anything that might be polluting
the environment, right?
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We need that because we've
learned the hard way that people
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will do anything for profit and
fuck over the environment and
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fuck over the people like in the
town and.
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That's why people don't like the
EPA, because it blocks.
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It blocks a lot of things.
A lot of things.
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Money.
Yeah, it's money.
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Like if the EPA were like, you
know, not bought and sold and
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like, you know, they're truly
trying to do good, they would
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have said, oh, hey, look, you
know, this gasoline or the stuff
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that you guys are creating, this
lead leaded product, we're not
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going to have it.
We're going to have just the
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ethanol and it's going to cost
people no money.
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But, you know, this was before
the regulations were really in
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effect.
So when we're looking at the
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history of lead emissions from
commercial endeavors, it's
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really hard to kind of track
where, you know, when it
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happened, when the regulation
started because there's not much
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of a timeline.
However, there is a very short
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timeline of lead regulations and
gasoline, paint and drinking
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water.
OK, So in 1970 Congress, this is
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1970, my friends, Congress
passes the Clean Air Act, OK?
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It gives the EPA the authority
to regulate lead as a pollutant.
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So this is in gasoline.
We're looking at lead as being
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an issue.
And this is in 1970, OK?
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The, the all of this huge like,
like cars have been around for a
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long time, right?
We have been pumping, pumping
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gas into them for a very long
time.
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But it takes until 1970 when we
have like muscle cars and shit
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to actually to actually regulate
it.
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So then we have in 1973, EPA
mandates that there be a
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reduction in lead in gasoline.
OK 1974 Safe Water or Safe
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Drinking Water Act is enacted
giving the EPA authority to
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regulate contaminants in public
drinking water.
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That was in 1974.
We have 1978 the Consumer
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Product Safety Commission bans
the use of lead based paint in
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residential homes and toys.
Then you know, we go through I
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we're talking about lead pipes
like they're, you know in
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anyone's plumbing.
You can't do that in 1986 like,
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you know, move forward to 2024.
The EPA finalizes the Lead and
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Copper Rule improvements, which
mandates the replacement of all
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lead service lines within 10
years and lowering the lead
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action level to 10 parts per
billion.
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I'm sorry, this was last year.
Yeah, last year.
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So we're currently potentially
drinking out of leaded.
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Well, we we respectively are
then.
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Yeah, yeah, isn't that fucking
crazy?
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That's crazy.
So all of us, every single,
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every person has some amount of
lead potential lead poisoning
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because we consume it out of the
water pipes.
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There's no way to get around it
unless you're filtering things
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from, I mean, fuck even that.
It's like if you're, if you have
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rainfall, you still have lead in
the environment that it's
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collecting.
Doesn't matter where you get
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your water from, you have levels
of lead in you.
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So the consequences.
So there's lead in the air,
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right in the ground, all over
the place.
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But really the question that I
continue to have is, is there
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any data that I don't know would
fucking corroborate that this is
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a crime, that that lead creates
crime?
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And actually there is, there is
data, there's a graph that
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actually shows which we can have
in our, we'll have a link to it
497
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,440
in our show notes that shows the
correlation between violent
498
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,560
crime in the United States and
preschool blood LED.
499
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,720
Wow.
Yeah.
500
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Oh, sorry.
Wow.
501
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Actual literal data that
correlates the two together.
502
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,440
That create?
Yeah, exactly.
503
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,200
Wow.
Which is fucking insane.
504
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,280
That's insane.
Now when you look at the graph,
505
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:00,360
you'll see that it actually
peaks in 1974, which funnily
506
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,920
enough is like around the time
that the very least of the
507
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,080
regulations were happening and
were introduced.
508
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,120
But as 1974 happens, that's
where it's peaking, and then
509
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440
more regulations happen.
It's going down.
510
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,760
It's going down drastically.
I'm going to show you Kevin and
511
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,760
this image.
Wow.
512
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Yeah, here, let me let me see if
I can show peeps because this.
513
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,040
So what's interesting about
this?
514
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,800
What I think, look at that.
That's amazing.
515
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,360
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's like it's super
516
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,480
high.
Like there, there, there's
517
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,400
definitely correlation there.
What's interesting is because
518
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760
when you read me that name, that
list of names and the kind of
519
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:58,880
the years, you don't see that
proliferation of that activity
520
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,840
anymore.
I mean, you don't.
521
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,960
There isn't that level of, I
mean, they're so crazy mass
522
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,640
murderers, but not that level.
No, no, you don't see that
523
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,200
level.
Weird, weird.
524
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Yeah.
I mean, you look at like Ted
525
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Bundy and they had an idea of
how many people he killed.
526
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,040
Like it was double digits, like
potentially up into the 30s,
527
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,000
right?
But you don't have that many
528
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,600
serial killers being reported
like you did then.
529
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Yes, it was a huge problem.
Yeah.
530
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,520
A huge problem and often times
like people say, well, maybe we
531
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,680
didn't track them or weren't
able to find them because, you
532
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
know, none of the police
departments were talking to each
533
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,560
other.
Well, maybe they well.
534
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Maybe that's some of it, yeah.
That could be a part of it, but
535
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,680
like but.
The quantity, Yeah, the.
536
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Quantity.
Like could it be that there's an
537
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:57,280
environmental reason behind it?
So, you know, ultimately when
538
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:04,600
I'm like looking at this whole,
you know, thing with any kind
539
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,960
of, you know, looking at our our
world, the way that things work,
540
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,320
you know, it would be a really
dumb question or a really dumb
541
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
statement to just be like, oh,
that's just like how why things
542
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,679
things happened back then, they
couldn't be tracked that
543
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,000
whatever.
But could there be an
544
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,239
environmental reason that people
act the way that they act, it
545
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,639
seems?
Possible to me?
546
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,400
Yeah, if it happened in fucking
in, you know, the around the
547
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
fall of the Roman Empire, why
the fuck would it not happen?
548
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Right.
And the fact that you they've
549
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,560
correlated the two together, I
mean that's sexual data that
550
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
literally links them together.
It's not speculation.
551
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,360
It's.
Not speculation.
552
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,000
No, it's not speculation.
They they're they're linking it.
553
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,200
They you see, you see that once
1974 happens, it's like the
554
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,240
height of things.
Like, think about things like
555
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,240
the Son of Sam, like all of
these, Yes, like these, the
556
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,920
Zodiac Killer.
Yes.
557
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,440
Like all of these people.
Yeah, that was seventies, 80s.
558
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,720
Yeah, when was the last time
that we had a prolific serial
559
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,480
killer like that?
I don't remember.
560
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,720
Exactly.
I mean, there, there have been
561
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,480
some, but but that was like such
a high that.
562
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Was like, a lot.
There was a lot of them.
563
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
God, that's so fat.
564
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
I would have never have
connected those two together.
565
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,800
No, no, I I think like I've I've
heard, I'd heard the the
566
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,360
theories that like, you know,
people are have different
567
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,920
poisoning due to their
environments.
568
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,200
And one, like I said before, one
thing I kept on going back to,
569
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,120
and you know, I would talk to
Dave about this all the time.
570
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Like why, why is it that we have
a generation that just seems so,
571
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,520
you know, set on what's best for
them rather than looking at the
572
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640
whole.
And I honestly, I feel like
573
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,160
that's the baby boomers, like
I'm, I'm not going to the OK
574
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,680
boomer like phrase and stuff.
That Karen, that idea, it, it is
575
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,160
prolific within that generation
who and that is the same
576
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,240
generation that would have been
affected before the 1974.
577
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,240
Yeah, yeah.
And and like we're saying, it's
578
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,840
still in our fucking drinking
water.
579
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,760
Right.
So according to the EPA, and I
580
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880
don't know, due to things that
could have happened, that could
581
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,560
be happening currently with DOGE
and like all that stuff, I'm
582
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,960
sure that the EPA has been
defunded or severely regulated
583
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
or cut at their knees.
Yeah.
584
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,640
So, so really the question is
this thing that passed in 19 or
585
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:56,760
2024, could it be that we're
supposed to have 10 years to
586
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,920
replace all of the lead pipes?
Could it be that now that's not
587
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,520
changing?
And so could we still have lead
588
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,920
for generations to come?
Well, I think you will because
589
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:21,000
because of money, obviously, I
mean greed, right?
590
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:29,680
People aren't going to comply or
they will figure out ways around
591
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,200
it.
Again, it all boils.
592
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,240
Everything always boils back
down to money.
593
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Yes, yeah.
Regardless of who it's killing,
594
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000
crazy.
So long as I mean, yeah,
595
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,320
regardless of who it's killing
because quite literally the guys
596
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,000
who killing, they're they're
killing.
597
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,280
But also, you know, they don't
even care if they're killed so
598
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120
long as potentially they'd be
able to make some kind of
599
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,440
profit.
But that greed is like insane.
600
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
It's it is fascinating.
It's leaded.
601
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,840
I feel like it's incredibly
leaded.
602
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,600
Yeah, I think so, Yeah.
So two things that I take away
603
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800
that shocked me from this
episode is the, again, the
604
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600
correlation between the two.
And it makes complete sense that
605
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,200
the 70s were so prolific with
this behavior.
606
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,800
Serial killer was boring but
that we.
607
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:25,000
Just last year came up with this
rule to finally try to fully
608
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,560
eliminate lead from our
environment.
609
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,080
I mean, that's nuts.
From our drinking water.
610
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,800
Water absorbs.
Like, think about putting a
611
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,400
slice of lemon in your water.
You taste the lemon.
612
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,920
You don't have to squeeze it,
right?
613
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,600
You can put a rind in there.
You don't have to squeeze.
614
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,000
You don't have to zest it or
anything.
615
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,200
You taste the flavor of that
lemon.
616
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,800
Yeah.
Now imagine this water sitting
617
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,960
in pipes exactly that are
corrosive, old, of course, and
618
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,560
have lead in them.
It will only absorb it.
619
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,360
Nuts.
The most dangerous thing it
620
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,240
could be in Wow.
Craziness.
621
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,880
Yeah.
There we go, whether it's
622
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,840
microplastics or lead.
Beware of it.
623
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,080
All.
Exactly.
624
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,400
Well, thanks, Dave, for helping
generate the episode.
625
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Yeah, it was freaking
fascinating.
626
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,000
It's a totally fascinating 1 and
if you guys figure out how to
627
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,200
delege your water, let a girl
know.
628
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,960
E-mail me or e-mail us at info
at the bizarre AF.
629
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,840
And don't put your wine in a
lead container to sweeten it.
630
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Yes, no bueno.
No, unless you want to live in a
631
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,280
padded cell and murder people.
Murder people?
632
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Yeah, Which we don't want that.
We don't.
633
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,520
OK, so cool.
Well, thanks for a great
634
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,120
episode.
Yeah.
635
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,520
No, thank you.
Perfect.
636
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,560
See you soon.
See you soon.
637
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Bye.