Alan Turing - Killed By The Nation He Saved

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Hello, bizarre story, friends,
you've tuned in to the bazaar

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area, for we talked about the
strange, the Absurd, the

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unknown, and things that are
bizarre AF, I'm Kevin, I'm going

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to be your host for today's
episode and as always, we ask

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that you keep an open mind, keep
a skeptical layer but keep

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listening to those facts.
As we take you on our newest

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Journey, Alan Turing, the man
killed by the nation, he saved.

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And to another episode and happy
Pride Alicia.

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Happy Pride a lie.
Yeah.

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Oh my God, I'm so happy this
Pride look, I'm sorry.

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We look amazing.
If we do say so ourselves.

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If I do say so myself honestly.
Like I we were talking about

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this earlier as we were doing
our makeup and stuff.

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Yeah I was telling Kevin how
much Much I just wish every

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month where pride and we could
dress like this and just have

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fun and be creative.
We could be just the people, you

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know, give you the side.
I uh there's such douche bags.

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They just they do not appreciate
our fabulousness exactly.

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We just haven't always been this
to work and wouldn't be so fun

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on a conference call to have
someone on the call.

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Yes, it'll be fun with you.
I would be like, okay, you're

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interested in exactly half the
time you like Oh cool.

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Another bro.
And a Tech Fest or, like a

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douche bag like vest but like
honestly, we look so cool.

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Right?
So cool.

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I would want to know us.
Yeah, I definitely want to know

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us and I know us, I still want
it so hopefully you all are

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watching because we, we are all
pried it out.

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Yes, we are spent a good ol long
while Alysha help me with my

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eyeballs.
Yeah, with that beautiful.

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Rainbow whoosh swoosh.
Yeah, yeah.

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What is like a writ?
Maybe like a ribbon or

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something.
Yeah, I love it or waves

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sparkly.
Oh, my lips like, hey, big lips

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there.
So you know what's great is when

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you go over to Kevin's house and
he says, I think you need some

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like glitter on your lips.
I have specific like glitter for

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your lips.
Its micro you should put it on

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there.
I'm like a horse.

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Definitely not.
Well, cool.

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Well this is gay pride, last
June.

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Yeah, the world is the celebrate
pride.

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And, you know, I was going to do
an episode about pride and let

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me know.
It's not really bizarre doesn't

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really fit our theme, but I
don't know.

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We might talk about it someone.
So what kind of get into it a

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little bit today?
Yes.

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But we're going to start off by.
I'm gonna ask you Alicia, have

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you?
Ever heard of the Enigma

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machine.
I have you have.

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Yes.
I have heard of the Enigma

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machine ever heard of the bomba
or the bombe machine?

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No, I don't think so.
The Enigma machine wasn't that

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the, it was like, it helped out
with codes for the World War 2.

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The Enigma machine was actually
the machine.

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That was the one that the
Germans used to build.

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That's right, it's a code.
Yes.

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Okay.
And they got a hold of it.

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A hold of them and make them.
Yes, that's right.

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Huh.
And then the the bomba or the

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Bombay, what they call it?
That's the one that broke the

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code.
Oh I didn't know that.

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I didn't either honest.
Okay.

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What honest I didn't know the
name of it.

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Yeah but that was the name of it
so we're going to talk about

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those machines little bit today
and how they relate to a man who

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really saved the world from Pure
hate.

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Oh my God.
Ultimately yeah, seems Alan

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Turing.
Now, this is this episode is

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going to be a bit of a twofer.
Ooh, okay, a twofer.

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So it's gay pride month.
So I did want to take the

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opportunity to talk about Alan
and what a wonderful man he was

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and His absolutely horrendous
and senseless death which will

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actually lead us to the second
part of the episode where we're

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going to talk about the
completely bizarre and

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incomprehensible way that people
ultimately mask their hate and

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their judgment, and they're just
staying and all that other shit

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that they hide behind their
religions and rules and laws,

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and all that other stuff that
helps them justify their nasty

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Behavior.
Toward people so it's not going

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to be like super happy.
But here's the thing that's

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important, it's important, it's
what happened, it's what's

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happened in history and thank
God not, thank God, thank God.

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Will know, thank God that we can
be who we are today, right?

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Amen.
I mean you don't have to worry

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like right now, you know, we're
Decked Out.

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Beautiful bright colors and can
be whomever it is that we are.

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Yeah.
And people don't have to worry

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about those things now for the
most part.

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Yeah.
Right.

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So let people be who they want
to be free.

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Yeah.
For the most part, it's more

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acceptable to be okay with that.
Sure.

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Yeah, I guess yes, there are
still fucking assholes in this

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goddamn world but maybe we're
moving in the right direction.

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I think so.
Oh yeah we are absolutely making

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progress.
We are Okay, so start off by to

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highlighting Alan Turing.
So who was Alan Turing was full

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name is Alan Matheson touring
and he was born on June 23rd

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1912 in London.
Yeah, I was born in pride month.

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Yeah.
Now he was a British

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mathematician who made a lot of
tremendous contributions in

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mathematics crypto analysis
mathematical by law biology.

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I mean, shit that I'm like, hey,
because like way over my head.

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Yeah, right, I want one now.
We also made major contributions

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to what we now today, refer as
like computer science cognitive

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Artificial intelligence, like
the things that you was doing,

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we're cutting edge that really
started.

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Paving the way to allow us to
start doing this stuff,

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artificial live, all of that
stuff like he was a genius.

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The man, the man now he was a
son of a civil servant.

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But he was educated in a very
top private school, thankfully.

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So he wasn't, he wasn't stifled.
Yeah, could have lost that mind

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to sure to being a garbage man
or some whatever, right?

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Yeah.
The able to use that.

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That's right.
So I have a question about that,

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okay?
He is and I know I'm getting too

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close to those questions but I
do have a question.

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He went to a prestigious private
school.

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So how did he afford if his
parents were?

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That's a really good question.
I don't fully know the answer.

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I can only assume that people
knew and appreciated his

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intelligence and he probably had
a scholarship or something.

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Yeah.
Okay then that makes sense.

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There he met a person named
Christopher Markham.

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Okay.
And he was a classmate Who also

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had a tremendous passion for
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Besties.
Well this was Allen's first and

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only as we know true love.
Oh he was just madly in love

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with Christopher.
Islands, love believe it or not

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was not reciprocated.
But they were still, he's still

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really liked him.
I mean that you know he is more

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like a friend because I don't
think he was gay up in the

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slightest right.
But Alan just thought the world

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of Christopher is so smart and
just you know just felt like he

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was his match so he just never
ever got over Christopher.

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Oh my God I know it's a bit
heartbreaking.

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Christopher died in 1930 and
Alan was very, very affected by

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this.
Like I said it was his true love

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and he never He never found.
He could never find someone to

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replace him.
Like that was just going to be

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his true love.
And that was it.

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Yeah.
So he was really, really

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affected by that.
So Alan enters the University of

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Cambridge to study mathematics,
in 1931.

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Excuse me, right after
Christopher's death, and after

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graduating in 34, He was elected
to a fellowship at King's

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College.
And there he was in had a lot of

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recognition in his research and
something called probable

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Theory, probability Theory,
excuse me.

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Now, I'm not going to go into
what some of these things are.

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And I'm going to go into one of
them and a little bit and we're

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all gonna be Barbie.
Heads are gonna explode.

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So I'm not going to get too much
into the weeds just to know that

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he's extremely smart, okay?
So in 36, Touring seminal paper

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it's called was called on
computable numbers with an

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application to the inside ins
problem.

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Oh yeah.
Yeah, that yeah.

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That makes sense.
Oh my God.

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So much are sad.
Yeah, so much sense that

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problem.
Duh, well, we all know it.

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I know it inside its problem is
cheese which shines probably in

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shiden in shiden.
It's a German word.

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It translate to the decision
problem.

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Oh wait.
Is that?

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At like Schroeder Schrodinger's
cat.

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No, no, no.
I think that's like, oh sorry,

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Alan.
So it was recommended for

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publication in the American
mathematical.

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Area by a guy named Alonzo
Church.

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Who himself had just published a
paper that reached the same

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conclusion as turing's, although
it was a completely different

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method, but turns met turing's
method, Had a lot of

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significance on science and
Computing like it again.

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A lot of the things that he was
doing was like Forefront.

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That lot got a lot of scientists
and a lot of things moving into

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the direction that we know of
today.

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It's later that year touring
moved to Princeton University to

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study for a PhD in, mathematical
logic, Jesus, which he completed

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in 38.
I mean really, I mean, okay.

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I do think that touring is like
nerd alert.

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He's like, he's like, he's like
a genius nerd alert, genius nerd

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alert, nerd alert really so I
can't understand it.

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The only reason I'm making fun
of us because I still don't know

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in this happen to like almost
done with any of those words

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mean understood problem and
that, exactly.

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Okay.
Now, all of this has, Zero

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bearing on the story, but I have
to tell you what inside ins

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problem is.
Oh my God.

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Please.
No, please do so.

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I actually am interested.
Okay.

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So inside in this problem and I
had to rewrite this into a

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logical sentence and even The
Logical sentence is going to be

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like, what the f did you ask a?
I know.

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Yeah, right.
Exactly, didn't do that here?

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It did not make any sense.
Okay?

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Okay, okay, right cool.
If oh yeah.

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Okay, here, it's just logic.
Ok, so inside ins problem.

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Okay.
Is the problem of finding an

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algorithm?
Or a repetitive procedure.

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Okay.
That will yield a definite, yes,

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or no answer.
After choosing the question of a

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class of questions in
mathematics and formal logic.

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Just like your eyes glaze over
here.

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Like, I was with you for the
first three weeks.

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Okay.
An algorithm.

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Yeah.
So it's like, you're trying to

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trying to find this.
Procedure that yields a yes or

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no.
Yes or no.

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Yes or no?
Yes, after you find a question

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in a class of questions in
mathematics Or logical formal

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logic.
Okay okay, so we're just going

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to leave it at that.
Okay has I can't help you.

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Okay, I can help you.
I just said all of that.

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Just, again, to prove a point
that he was brilliant that like

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an unfathomably intelligent.
Yeah.

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Okay.
Oh, so I wait, I actually do

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have another definition.
Okay, was an effective method

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for solving the fundamental
mathematical problem of

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determining.
Ermine exactly, which

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mathematical statements are
provable within a given formal

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mathematical system, which are
not okay.

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They are, they're all about
run-on sentences and it's like,

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can we use simpler words, you
know, like do they all have to

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have like, you know, for
constant like no, no,

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mathematical, blah, blah.
It's like same math, math.

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We don't know what you're
saying.

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It's kinda too much.
Us.

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So now I say all of this again
not to educate everyone on

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mathematics because let's face
it. 100% of us didn't even know

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what I said.
Hmm.

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But I said, just how again to
help articulate how genius he

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was now in 36.
Turing had invented.

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This hypothetical Computing
device.

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And it came to know, as the
universal turing machine, the

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universal turing machine is last
name.

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Okay.
Now, after the second world war

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ended, he continued his research
in this area, kind of building

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and incorporating and everything
that he's has learned during the

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war now while he was working in,
What's called the npl?

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This National physical
laboratory.

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He published a design for this
other thing.

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It's called Ace automatic
computing. an earring, which

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They said was really the first.
Modern computer.

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So he really created the first
personal computer.

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So that was, that was the
universal turing.

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Machine was the computer?
No, it's a different.

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It's a different.
That's a whole nother.

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Okay?
Something different.

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Yeah, just do Universal
printing.

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All of these things and the
universal one.

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Like it was just hypothetical
was an actual machine.

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It was just a clever machine.
That's right.

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Okay, yeah, interesting.
So then having to read having

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returned from the United States
to his fellowship at King's

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College those in the summer. 38,
he was working part-time for the

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British government's code and
Cypher school when the second

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world war breaks out great.
So 1939 teacups takes up a full

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role at Bletchley Park in
buckinghamshire where for a time

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he led what they called The Hut.
And this is where top-secret

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work was carried out.
Out to decide, try to decipher

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military codes used by the
Germans, and they were getting

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these codes and they were
intercepting them, and they were

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deciphering them, and they were
figured out how to decipher

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them.
Well, just shortly thereafter or

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previously.
The Polish government had shared

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with with Britain and France how
they had successfully decoded

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these Enigma machines, right?
Okay.

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And the Machine that they were
using to decipher because they

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were intercepting the
communications well, The there's

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a small team of Polish
mathematicians and they had

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intercepted an actual Enigma
machine, and they were Fig

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trying to figure out the
internal wiring.

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Okay, 138 a team devised, a code
of breaking that machine and

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they called that machine, the
bombuh.

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Okay.
This is the bombuh the Mambo.

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Okay.
It's the Polish word for ice

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cream and I don't know.
Did it look like ice cream?

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I don't know.
I don't know.

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I couldn't really ever find a
good picture of a bomba.

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Yes, I don't know why they
called it that.

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Okay.
Okay.

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Now it only worked because
someone had intercepted figured

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out the Germans operating
procedures, so, they knew what

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they needed to do to decrypt the
message.

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Because when they were
intercepting these, these

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transmissions in a way that they
know, okay, well, this is this

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so I know how to decrypt it,
okay?

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Well, come May 1940 somehow the
Germans either figured out that

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they were decoding it or what
but now they decide.

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Oh well, we're going to change
the the, the site, The Cypher

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daily.
Wow.

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So now every day we're going to
change the thing that's going to

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decode it so that it's not like
the same thing for a month or a

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week or, right?
So now this bomber machine

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becomes useless doesn't work
anymore.

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Oh my God.
So, they turn to this fellow

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codebreakers named Jordan
Welshman.

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And he had another machine
called, the bum bum bum bbo MBE.

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So that be OMB a because that's
really not confusing.

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Thanks, Sid.
Now this super cute, Peter was

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able to decode the German code
even with a daily Cipher.

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It.
Now if anyone has ever watched

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The movie.
Huh about Alan.

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Turing.
Played by Cumberbatch.

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Benedict.
Cumberbatch a match. and, They

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do a very good job about him
working on creating this

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machine.
That's the size of a wall, and

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it's very mechanical.
Oh, sure.

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But it's so, Incredible.
I'm not going to go into

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details.
How I nygma works but Basically,

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you set these dials and by how
it by you set, the dials, then

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it changed.
Like when you press a g, it

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becomes a know.
And it only becomes the Oh by

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the these two different settings
and they're very complex

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complex.
Well, he made a computer that

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would figure that shit out.
So you don't have to actually

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like, do all of those steps just
to write.

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So they cause now they were
starting to decode these

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messages on a daily basis.
So, yes, It's like real time.

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Almost like real time news
real-time like information.

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Yeah, they were getting exactly.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, so he was

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critical critical in that.
So Alan was still haunted by the

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loss of Christopher.
And in a 1950 paper, he referred

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to research by some people that
he knew in the UK.

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Touring starts going down a
different path and he's saying

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there's an overwhelming
statistical evidence of

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telepathy in the world.
And he's starting to talk about

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how he there's overwhelming
evidence of it that it exists.

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This is where our boy Alan is
coming straight into our world

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of the bizarre area.
Exactly.

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So he's thinking that there's
statistics Tickly significant

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data to show that there is such
thing as telepathy now.

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How?
And so then you go, this guy is

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so effing smart.
How do you debate this?

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You like, right?
It's not just some personal

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straight, right?
Like he's not just saying that a

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scientist so I guess I guess
from my perspective.

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Yeah.
How do you debate it?

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But also where is his evidence
coming from?

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Right.
How's he getting this?

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We don't I couldn't find it.
Shut up.

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Okay, so then my little whole
conspiracy has starts coming.

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Oh my God, I have a hat on, put
conspiracy on it because yes,

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uh-huh.
Yeah, he had to have had data.

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Okay.
This is a scientist, exactly.

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He only lives with Day by data.
How does he not have, like

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notebooks or notes or whatever?
He did.

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I mean, I have no book right
here.

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Yeah, I'm worried.
I have a notebook all the time

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that I'm riding in Anytime we're
doing episodes.

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Yeah, notes, upon notes, upon
notes, and that's not

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scientific, you know?
I mean, it's like informative,

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but it's not mathematically.
It was like logic old by data.

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So, you know, ruled by Logic,
ruled, by data, ruled by like

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this.
Yeah.

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This this other Yeah, he was
real.

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That's he was ruled by science.
That's all.

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That's what he lived and
breathed at exactly.

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So we wouldn't just say
something exists, out of a whim.

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No right?
No.

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He also like were people like,
oh my God, because he's also

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like, you know, basically saving
the British people and like, you

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know, the allies with this
machine, like, maybe we should

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listen to him.
I was like, meh, he's a little

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crazy.
He's crazy crazy.

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In a bad way.
This way, But everything else

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like when he builds us like war,
machines were totally cool.

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That exactly.
Yes.

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We see this in the world, he's
great.

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Yeah, yeah.
And so, then he also, they also

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found a remark that he wrote
Somewhere that he says, you

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know, once the quote is quote,
once one has accepted them

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telepathy.
It doesn't seem a very big step

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to believe in ghosts, so now
he's going down this hole.

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Okay?
Okay, so wait a second.

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Said them the meaning telepathy
or them, meaning what?

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I don't know because I know that
we have in the past and we will

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in the future continue to talk
about alien abductions and how

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aliens seem to have like some
kind of telepathy or telekinetic

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like thing exactly.
So is that the them like them

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for telepathy?
Doesn't make any sense, right?

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Right so maybe right so maybe
yeah I mean I could go down a

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thousand rabbit.
Oh my God.

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Maybe yeah yeah yeah.
Okay.

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So like ghosts right.
Mmm.

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So Alan was actually remarkably
open about his homosexuality.

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I was gonna ask about that,
despite how repressive Attitudes

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were in that day and age.
And I just have to say, I mean,

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the United States is really bad.
Britain was worse.

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Oh God.
They were not, they were bad.

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Yeah, they are.
I know, they would like put

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people.
They would put people in prison.

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Like Oscar Wilde.
Went to prison for.

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I forgot what it was called, but
we're going to talk about.

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Okay, it's no bueno.
Yeah, and you'll maybe is logic

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in his eyes.
These what made him feel like.

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His orientation couldn't be a
crime you know because he's like

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I don't know.
Just I'm smart and does suck.

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So not important and you know,
I'm logical and it's no big

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deal.
So he just thought maybe, just

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maybe that's what he's just
thought.

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He's like that's not a crime,
you know?

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I mean his mind.
Yeah, that's I mean it didn't

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seem like even with his friend
when he told his friend

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Christopher like hey I'm gay is
like don't swing that way but

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like I'm like that's cool.
We can still be friends.

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Yeah.
And he was down for that.

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It didn't seem like he was ever
trying to hide who he was

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Claire.
He I felt like he had any reason

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to have to hide that.
Let's see, just save the

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freaking world.
I mean bt-dubs, like I don't

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know, really not that big of a
deal in the grand scheme of

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things.
Right?

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I just saved you from Hitler's.
Yes I think I can be gay.

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Yeah, absolutely.
And plus he lived a very

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sheltered liberal life at
Cambridge.

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You know what I mean?
That's right.

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That sounds parents were kind of
like that too.

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Like everyone.
He didn't really understand how

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the world could be.
Well, He's in for a shock

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because homosexuality was a
criminal offense at the time

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criminal criminal and in
February of 52 touring was

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arrested for having a sexual
relationship with a man, and

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then he was tried and convicted
of gross indecency.

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Gross indecency, there's
something called yeah.

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And so then to avoid prison.
So this was his options, okay?

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We're going to go to prison for
being gay.

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Or you cannot go to prison and
we will chemically castrate you.

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Because you shouldn't have any
sexual desires if you're gay.

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So, what'll it be. but you do
want and he says, I'm not going

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to present to have to make that
decision.

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He's a logical dude, right?
He knows it's going to happen,

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right?
He's not denying who he is.

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Right. 50.
What was that?

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1952.
It's like like what?

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Five years after the war fuckin
ended or something like that?

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Yeah, exactly. 43.
Yeah, well, yeah, but like,

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okay.
So like less than ten years

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after he saved, they're like, oh
yeah, yeah, thanks for what you

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did in the past.
But, but your gross.

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And yeah, this is like indecent.
Yeah.

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Indecent to who.
That's oh, God, your McGill get

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me going, girl.
I'm so so he did it.

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And basically, they just have
like a I think it's like high

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doses of female.
Estrogen, estrogen, female

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hormone is so what he took.
So is essentially a chemical

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castration and they gave it
neutralizes the iron,

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neutralizers your libido.
So there's like, you have no

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zero like zero sexual desire
plus, I'm sure it helps with you

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probably gives you boobs and
shrinks your balls and all, you

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know, all these terrible
terrible.

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Physical things, not to mention
the emotional things, with all

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those female hormones, running
through my God.

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It's I just, it's makes me sick.
Yeah, so in June, 7th of 1954 at

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the age of 42 Alan is found dead
in his home in Williams or chef

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00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:12,100
chef sure.
Now the exact circumstances of

458
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:16,300
his death is can never be known.
He was alone.

459
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,700
No one was with him.
But Alan had previously spoken

460
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:28,000
of suicide to his friends.
Oh no, and so they just the

461
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,000
corner, just chalked it up to
suicide.

462
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Now, next to turing's body was
an apple was partially eaten.

463
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:45,200
Now years before this is really
interesting, okay.

464
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,400
Alan had gone to see Snow White
and seven drawers.

465
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,600
Yeah.
And he was friends were saying

466
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,100
he was particularly taken with
the scene where that wicked

467
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,400
witch dangled, the Apple into
that boil called ring and said,

468
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,300
you know, dip the Apple in the
brew and that the sleeping death

469
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:08,200
seep through, he was very take.
Oh, yeah, And I saw this thing

470
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400
and said it had been reported,
that Alan had wanted quote to

471
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,600
invest his departure from a
world that had treated him.

472
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,700
So shabbily, with some of the
gothic Erie colorful Brilliance

473
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:25,300
of a Disney film.
What?

474
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:31,500
So he killed himself.
So right poisoning or assuming

475
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:36,200
herbal thinking that he poisoned
himself.

476
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,300
That's how he killed himself.
So they didn't see like a noose

477
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:41,300
or anything.
They just saw him dead.

478
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:43,700
Yes.
And he had an apple next to him.

479
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,100
Yes.
Oh my God.

480
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,100
That is so McCobb.
Isn't it McCobb?

481
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:50,900
But you think about?
Yeah.

482
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:56,100
How messed up?
He had to have been I mean it's

483
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:59,300
heartbreaking, you know, it's
hard like you started it.

484
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:04,800
You started telling Alan
turing's, you know, story of his

485
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,800
life by talking about
Christopher who was his like

486
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:11,300
unrequited love.
And I'm like, oh my God, that's

487
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:14,200
heartbreaking enough and like
and then we're we continue down

488
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,500
this Rabbit Hole of like you
know, he does 11 scientific

489
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:25,800
discovery after the next and You
know, less than 10 years later

490
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,300
he's living and like, of course,
he's never hit who the hell he

491
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:31,500
was?
He's always been forthright.

492
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:33,700
Honest logical about, who he
was.

493
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,900
Yep.
And like, yeah, we need you to

494
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,700
be chemically castrated or you
can go to prison.

495
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,300
Looks like I'm going to have to
take the chemical castration

496
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,400
cause there's no way.
I'm, there's no way I know

497
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,400
myself.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna live

498
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,700
in sin is a person.
Yeah.

499
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,000
So you know, they were basically
giving him a death sentence then

500
00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:00,000
ugly and then what you can't
really be yourself or you can't

501
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,700
live life the way you want to
live at know and it just there

502
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,900
is no logic in that.
None.

503
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:08,100
None.
So you just on the problem

504
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:12,300
yourself, that's exactly it,
which is exactly.

505
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:15,800
Is so sad and it's nothing any
life was, right?

506
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,500
Going to have any kind of a
life.

507
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:21,700
Yeah, they based they showed him
that he wasn't going to, they

508
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:23,000
made.
Made him, right?

509
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,500
They forced him into that.
So the pathologist post-mortem

510
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,700
report suggests is kind of a bit
more unromantic.

511
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,900
They say, so the autopsies
autopsy revealed, that touring

512
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,800
stomach contained four ounces of
a fluid that smelt of bitter

513
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000
almonds solute, which is, was
cyanide?

514
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,700
Yeah.
Is that is that almond smell

515
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:48,400
that his death was not
accidental.

516
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Yeah, God there was enough
poison to fill a wine glass.

517
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,200
Oh my God.
So he probably took a wine glass

518
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,200
filled with it.
They think that they think he

519
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,000
took bites of the apple to make
the more palatable.

520
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,300
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah.

521
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,300
It's also very dramatic way to
die thinking about it.

522
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,200
That way, she'll write the
McCobb seen, right?

523
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,400
But it's a, it's my God, just
awful, it's horrendous.

524
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,300
So, as we mentioned, if you guys
haven't seen the imitation game,

525
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,300
Benedict Cumberbatch, I really
have recommend.

526
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,900
Have you seen it?
I haven't seen any gets good.

527
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,200
Is that it does a really,
really, really good job.

528
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:37,200
Now, they don't highlight The
storyline isn't about him being

529
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,500
gay, right?
Because that's just that's

530
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,100
that's insignificant right
detail.

531
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:51,300
So yeah, grand scheme of things.
I think they'll honor him really

532
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:56,400
well and and just portrays is
genius really Goods.

533
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,800
I would recommend watching and
if you're interested.

534
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,400
Yeah, and what I found out is
they just announced A musical

535
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,400
called Alan Turing.
Guilty of love.

536
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:19,199
Oh, you know, we're saying,
Count Me In say they say the

537
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,400
description was this musical
explores the love and Human Side

538
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,600
of Allen, delving into the life
of the mathematical genius, as

539
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,699
well as the Betrayal of a
Nation.

540
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,699
I think it's in Course, New York
probably like, Off Broadway or

541
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:39,500
something like that.
But my God I think it starts.

542
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,300
Its debut is in Edinboro in The
Fringe Festival and all fine.

543
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:46,300
August.
Oh my God.

544
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:49,400
If anyone's in Edinburgh.
Exactly.

545
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:53,500
How lost I yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:34:53,500 --> 00:35:01,600
I hope it's really good.
I do too, but let's switch gears

547
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,300
a little bit and let's talk
about out all of the bizarre and

548
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:14,200
twisted ways that Christian's.
Another God-fearing.

549
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:26,500
People went to rid. the planet
of Bad Satan people, bad State

550
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:27,400
and people.
Yeah.

551
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,100
Okay.
You know, people that you fun

552
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:31,300
people.
I mean all the fun people.

553
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,000
The people we want to hang
around.

554
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:38,800
I'm trying not to get too
invested in it and the mat,

555
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,800
that's why I'm struggling with
words because I want to just

556
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,900
like, you know, I want to just,
I can see, I can say my words, I

557
00:35:46,908 --> 00:35:51,200
can see it in your and your
Rainbow be good eyes.

558
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:53,400
What?
You're Trying to say.

559
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,100
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.

560
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:59,600
So here are the terrible
disgusting bizarre crap that

561
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,300
people have done to LGB the LGBT
community ready for this.

562
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Probably not.
But no, I'm not ready.

563
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
So chemical castration will
start off there, just talked

564
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,700
about that.
So it's useful purposes was to

565
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,700
help kill Cancers and tumors
that feed on hormones picture,

566
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,200
combat, the hormones.
That makes sense.

567
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,500
But it's more common.
Use is just try and stop gay and

568
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:27,200
lesbian sex offenders from
having or wanting sex.

569
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,700
How fucking stupid is that,
like, why are we spending like

570
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,300
any time on that?
Who cares cares?

571
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:40,700
Uh, it's really like, not that
big of a deal.

572
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,400
I, am I bothering you?
Okay, can I tell you?

573
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:52,400
I was okay.
So, I was working in my past

574
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,700
life.
That's also my current life in a

575
00:36:56,700 --> 00:37:04,700
very Conservative environment.
And in this environment it was

576
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:09,700
like you know good old boys down
south boys, you know.

577
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:15,300
And I remember it was around
like Proposition 8 and like that

578
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,700
stuff happening.
It's like Proposition 8 was for

579
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,800
Nia when California.
So Proposition 8 said like

580
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,500
illegal to for you know, people
who are gay to get married, like

581
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:30,200
same-sex Bulba whatever.
So, oh, There was a huge

582
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,900
movement and he was talking
about that was around, you know,

583
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:36,800
Obama has new toy to presidency
and he was saying, you know, he

584
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,400
said, I don't know what these
Liberals are doing and I was

585
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,700
like riding to work with in my
bike.

586
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,600
He's like, hey Alicia, you you
ride, you ride to work with your

587
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,800
on your bike and your grass
skirt like grass skirt.

588
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,400
Like I don't have a grass skirt.
He was like saying that I'm

589
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,300
always like a pothead and like
I'm not by the way, I'm just not

590
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,500
hot.
No problem for people who Our,

591
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:03,500
but I'm, that's just not me.
But anyways, he was making fun

592
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,900
of me and he said, you know
what, he said this, like whole

593
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:08,100
gay thing.
He said, I don't get it supposed

594
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,700
to be Adam and Eve not Adam and
Steve.

595
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,900
Oh my God.
And I was sitting there

596
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:18,400
thinking, do you know who I am?
Like, like, do you know how many

597
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,000
friends I have?
Who are gay?

598
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,900
Like, you're a fucking idiot.
But I looked at him and I was

599
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:24,300
like, oh, I'm gonna get him
right?

600
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,800
Or I matters and I said, you
know, I said yeah, whatever I

601
00:38:27,808 --> 00:38:31,100
don't really care about is the
only Really care about who

602
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,400
they're having sex with is, you
know, my partner.

603
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:36,600
I said, I think it's pretty gay.
If you think if you're thinking

604
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:43,600
about what other men are doing,
why is that in your mind go?

605
00:38:43,608 --> 00:38:46,200
No, I don't care.
I'm like then, wide wide.

606
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,700
Are you so hung up on it?
You should only be like the only

607
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,200
person you should care about is
your wife.

608
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,000
So if they're consensual people
like, who cares doesn't matter

609
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,100
and he was like, do the love
though.

610
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,900
I'm like yeah, those little
like, walk back into the fucking

611
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:00,600
closet.
Is that like if you have such an

612
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,800
issue with it?
Yeah.

613
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,800
So obnoxious.
I'm sorry.

614
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,200
I'm saying this as an ally.
Hi here.

615
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,300
You start and then your blood
starts to go and you feel it.

616
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,500
I can feel it right now.
Like honestly, my heart is just

617
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,800
like probably look silly just
want to know.

618
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,600
Okay, sorry.
No, it's okay.

619
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,900
I knew we were going to go on
Dan Jones.

620
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:29,000
I knew we were another one is
aversion therapy.

621
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,200
Uh-huh.
Would you like to tell the class

622
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,800
what if what it is?
So that's right.

623
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,000
Electrons attached to the wrist
and lower leg and shocks

624
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,100
administered while patients.
Look at photographs of people in

625
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:50,600
various stages of undress.
The aim is to encourage

626
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,100
avoidance of by the shock of
moving the photographs by moving

627
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,200
to photographs of the opposite
sex.

628
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,200
So you make them it's a version
therapy you See, this is okay.

629
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,900
You see, that's what.
Oh, that's good.

630
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,900
Yeah, this is good.
This is a woman.

631
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,200
You should like this, like how I
just don't want you to hurt me

632
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,000
again?
She's, I have a feeling Kevin

633
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
that that does not work.
Of course it doesn't work.

634
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,300
So barbaric, it's fucked.
Okay.

635
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,300
I thought this was a different
type of therapy, which I'm sure

636
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,200
the one that I'm thinking of you
going to go over, but that is,

637
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:29,800
it's insane to me.
That that is something that

638
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,600
people were like no this is so
it's so intense.

639
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,700
They're so intense about.
You not being that way.

640
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:45,200
You like you are consuming my
mama because you're not what I

641
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,600
think you should be in.
Always it's a boiling back to

642
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,800
religion which is another thing
just pisses me off, but it's

643
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,000
like people who just like are
really boring.

644
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:58,100
I don't know what it is.
I think they do.

645
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,000
Have lives.
And and to be completely honest,

646
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000
I wonder if a lot of it is like
there's so much self-hatred that

647
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,100
they have because maybe they're
a little gay because I think, I

648
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,300
mean, to be completely honest, I
like go to the Kinsey scale like

649
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,600
every, nobody's totally
straight, nobody's totally gay.

650
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,100
Everyone is some shade of
whatever.

651
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:21,900
Inside of that Spectrum, you
have these two sides and people

652
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,300
really don't fit on those.
We're all somewhere in the

653
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:28,000
middle and maybe they're not so
comfortable with being Maybe.

654
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,300
not so straight maybe and so
it's like that self-hatred that

655
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:36,600
there then progressing onto you
and of course, Parents teach

656
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,300
parent kids to hate well do just
that just goes and goes yeah,

657
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,000
goes it's cyclical.
So then of course there's now

658
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,700
there's religious counseling.
The so intense Bible study

659
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,300
regardless of the person's
beliefs or religion.

660
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,200
You know, my God and my buck or
the truth.

661
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:05,000
You will comprise comply and you
will pray, the gay away, do

662
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,600
whatever know just yet, another
tool and critic a way.

663
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
It's going to help.
Just go talk to God about it.

664
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,600
Gods like your school.
If you're gay, know what these

665
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,300
people are saying, bitch.
I just I made him.

666
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:20,700
Yeah, I made them.
I know.

667
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:28,700
No, I definitely know.
Then there's hypnosis Isis.

668
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,600
Oh, so like trying to get
someone to stop smoking, right?

669
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,100
So the aim here is to
subconsciously get the subject

670
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:40,100
to have uncomfortable or
unpleasant feelings when they

671
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,400
think about or engage in sexual
activity.

672
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:48,200
So weird that is so weird.
Like people do that for like

673
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,700
smoking happens, right?
Like I hate this innate thing,

674
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:57,000
as you choose to smoke.
You choose to be gay, right?

675
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200
That's what people do, right?
Can hypnotize you to just Stop

676
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,900
that bad habit.
Just like you choose to be

677
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,100
straight or you choose to like
Itza or whatever.

678
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:11,600
It's like, we're just kind of
like it, God, then there's

679
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,800
masculinization programs.
Oh, what's that?

680
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,200
It's just what the name,
implies, you have to go do

681
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,200
things that a man supposed to do
to try to masculinize.

682
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,400
Um, we're gonna go, we're gonna
go hunt me, man.

683
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,300
Me strong.
Yeah, but plenty of gay guys,

684
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:29,500
like that kind of stuff.
Hello, I like to shoot.

685
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,200
You like shooting stuff.
Yeah.

686
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,000
You like you the amount of
things that I find out about you

687
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
that you enjoy doing them.
Like you're just ruining an

688
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Enigma machine.
I didn't know you liked this 20.

689
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,100
You have oh oh, you like she
goes.

690
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:49,100
Oh, that's cool.
I had no clue.

691
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:51,000
Yeah.
Like, I don't know, maybe people

692
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,400
can be multifaceted, do you
think?

693
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,700
No, you have to be in a box
Alicia.

694
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:00,900
I'm gonna put you in this box.
You must In this box, if you

695
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:04,700
bleed edges outside of the box,
we must fix you.

696
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:10,200
Mmm dumb hashtag stupid suck
stupid.

697
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,000
Then there's exorcisms
exercising gay audio.

698
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Huh?
Well, it's a demon.

699
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,900
It's the devil.
I was just gonna go to really -

700
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:24,000
are like a really weird place of
like a hat of the exercise

701
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:27,600
because you know, those priests
are like, oh yeah, entitled

702
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:33,400
definitely exercise that.
I'm sure you will preach fucking

703
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,900
bill priest.
Fill priest?

704
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:37,800
I don't know.
Name them.

705
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400
There's a reason why they wanted
to into being a priest because

706
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,400
they couldn't.
Yes.

707
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,500
Larry search choose to be gay.
They choose.

708
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,800
And maybe why they behave so
poorly.

709
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,700
Because there's so, Their minds
are so Twisted.

710
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:57,000
All of the, well, I think a lot
of these people, they're in,

711
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,800
such conservative, you know,
upbringings, they're like, well,

712
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,800
this is not.
I'm just going to devote my life

713
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,700
to the church and like same
thing with women who are nuns

714
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:09,800
and stuff like that.
Same kind of thing, like,

715
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,400
they're devoting their life to
the church, and the idea behind

716
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:19,300
that is You know I can't act out
right this right?

717
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:24,300
This will cure me.
Yeah let's see.

718
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:28,200
There's something called
psychodrama who this sounds fun

719
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,100
even though I know I thought
kind of a Psycho Drama has been

720
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:39,800
described as individual therapy,
but in a group format, With the

721
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,100
action taking place around, the
protagonist protagonist multiple

722
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,500
roles in life, such as a parent
partner, a sibling and an

723
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:50,400
employee.
So there's three types of

724
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,200
psychodrama something called
doubling and that's when another

725
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,400
person physically standing close
by the protagonist is mimicking

726
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,300
them.
In their postures, they can see

727
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:04,100
how awful they are 0 because
everyone who's like gay has a

728
00:46:04,108 --> 00:46:10,800
specific posture and mannerisms
Disgusting you are it's just

729
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,500
bullying.
Totally that's just bring a

730
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,500
Boolean to their back.
I hate how you laugh?

731
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:23,400
Like exactly I can't help that
geez make me feel so

732
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,300
self-conscious.
Fuck there's mirroring where the

733
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,700
protagonist will take a seat and
let everyone pretend to be them.

734
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:35,500
Mirroring what they like.
All of your, all of your

735
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,400
everybody in the group.
Oh my God.

736
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,500
And then there's role reversal
where you stepping, out of One's

737
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,100
Own identity, and trading places
with another.

738
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:47,400
So, pretending to be your
father, who's disgusted by you?

739
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Oh, you have to pretend like, I
have to pretend to be my dad who

740
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,500
just thinks testing.
That's so awful awful.

741
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,300
It's like so just happens to
this day people.

742
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,800
I was going to say don't they?
And you might be bringing it up

743
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,000
what we're like because I
actually I have a personal, not

744
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:15,600
so personal story about this but
the black reformed gays are like

745
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,300
lesbians who are therapists what
was that called.

746
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,600
And they're like Christian or
whatever.

747
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:28,200
Oh, like the converter
conversion therapy but it's

748
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,700
like, oh yeah.
No actually, like I was just

749
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:33,900
believing like the Wicked Ways
of the world and stuff so that

750
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:36,000
is conversion therapy.
All they're doing is convincing

751
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,900
themselves of something.
That's not true.

752
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,700
That's yeah.
No, they're still like

753
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:41,200
everyone's still gay.
I had a friend.

754
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:49,800
I'm not kidding you.
I had a friend in 2009-2010, who

755
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,500
was Having a hard time.
And of course, go figure.

756
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:54,700
Like, I'm always like one of the
first people that people come

757
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:57,500
out.
Like, during that time, we were

758
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:01,200
talking about this earlier.
I was like, oh, that makes a lot

759
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,000
of sense, but, but I don't who
cares.

760
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Like, I never doesn't bother me.
Well, his family got really

761
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,300
fucking weird and like took him
out of school and then he was in

762
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:19,600
therapy, like with a reformed
lesbian and he's like no, he's

763
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,300
like I think I I probably could
like there are some women that

764
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:24,400
I've thought are attractive.
I'm like, yeah.

765
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,000
But you don't want to fuck them
like like you don't have any

766
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
sexual leans like I can sit here
and be like their women.

767
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,100
I find attractive but it's not
like I want to have a sexual

768
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,400
encounter with them.
Like it's just bull can be

769
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:37,600
attractive.
You can.

770
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,300
Yeah yeah people can be
attractive or can be, it doesn't

771
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:46,000
mean you know anything.
And I just remember the torture

772
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600
that he was in because he
honestly like Heathen.

773
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,300
It's so sad and You know,
families putting putting their

774
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,000
and not think that was in
Colorado about ten years ago in

775
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Colorado.
Colorado is pretty freaking, you

776
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,900
know, liberal, right?
I can't imagine how it's this.

777
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:07,700
This is still happening by the
way, I don't know.

778
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:09,900
I feel like we should say
something like along the lines

779
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:14,400
of, you know, if you find
yourself in a situation like

780
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,200
that, you know, there's help
there is a help of anything to

781
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,800
eat 11 if you have suicidal.
Thoughts.

782
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:26,200
And if you know there's all
kinds of Center like go to lgbtq

783
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,100
centers.
Yeah.

784
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:31,200
Petey's centers or I mean,
there's some find call you think

785
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,900
ol call 1-800 numbers.
The Trevor Project is another

786
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:37,900
great resource, at least in
Colorado.

787
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:44,400
There's the center in in Denver,
and it's a resource for, for

788
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,000
kids.
And for, you know, adults anyone

789
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,100
who's lgbtq+ to, you know, all
the stuff.

790
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,700
Shokran.
MZ all the acronyms, the

791
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,000
alphabet Mafia.
Yeah.

792
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,800
Anyone.
Who's a member, you know, that's

793
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,600
there for you and it's really
not that big of a deal one,

794
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,500
right?
But you're not alone and there

795
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:05,600
are resources out there, you
know, and that's that's a good

796
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,500
point because, you know, we are
laughing about it.

797
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:10,600
It's because it's so absurd.
It's so absurd.

798
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,600
So, Absurd.
But there are, there are all

799
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,100
kinds of people.
Hello Alicia.

800
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,700
And I are here, we have yes,
phone number on our website.

801
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Yeah, please call us a call.
We would love, we would be happy

802
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,000
to talk to you, happy to help
you.

803
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:31,100
So, abreaction every Bria.
I think it's called it

804
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,600
pronounced abreaction.
Think every action is a

805
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,700
psychoanalytical term for
relieving, sorry, for reliving

806
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:43,600
an experience to purge it of its
emotional excess.

807
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:50,900
So type of course karthus cut
this with artists are catharsis.

808
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:56,500
Yeah, sometimes it is a method
of becoming conscious of

809
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:00,800
repressed, traumatic events.
So a lot of times they will take

810
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,300
what traumatic event.
Are you covering up with your

811
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:06,800
homosexuality?
What happened to you?

812
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,800
You had to have been molested or
raped and now you're just acting

813
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,900
out.
Oh my God, I'll tell you what.

814
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:19,300
But the vast majority of the
population has had some kind of

815
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:23,800
trauma, but to equate that to
being gay being gay.

816
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,300
Yeah.
That's a mind.

817
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,000
Fuck, it's in like all the worst
way is torture.

818
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:33,100
It's torture.
It absolutely is

819
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:37,100
electroconvulsive therapy is a
treatment that involves sending

820
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:39,100
electrical current through your
brain.

821
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:42,900
Right causing a brief surge of
electrical activity within your

822
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,400
brain.
This is also known as a seizure,

823
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,300
oh my God.
It's like yeah, the electroshock

824
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:53,200
therapy therapy.
And so, they move that is to

825
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,200
treat is to relieve the symptoms
of the mental health problem

826
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:04,100
that you have.
Because guess what freaking like

827
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:09,300
being gay was like in the DSM.
Which is like the Diagnostics.

828
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:10,900
Yes, standard measurements.
Yeah.

829
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,700
I was like yeah psychiatric.
Yes.

830
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:20,400
Like it was it was considered a
mental disorder.

831
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,600
Yes.
Until like pretty recently

832
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:30,600
that's fucking crazy dude.
Conversion therapy is what we're

833
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,300
talking about.
Yes, is the Practice of

834
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,400
attempting to change an
individual, sexual orientation,

835
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,700
gender identity, or gender
expression to align with

836
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:45,200
heterosexual and cisgender
norms.

837
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,800
Sounds really fun.
Sounds like it's like sun.

838
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,200
So productive and important.
Oh my God.

839
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,700
Yeah because you know what?
You know what I was thinking

840
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:58,200
about like creative spaces and
stuff.

841
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,300
It's just filled with straight
people.

842
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:04,900
It's all straight men.
Exactly.

843
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,600
All the cool creative stuff is
because straight men exists.

844
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,500
Exactly.
Hello.

845
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:20,700
Larious So Florida, for example,
oh my god.

846
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,500
Oh great.
We're bringing forth.

847
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:27,000
Okay.
Peace and love, peace and love

848
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,900
Florida.
But good God.

849
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:31,800
Get your shit together.
Get it together.

850
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,600
Good girl, get a grip good.
Girl.

851
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,900
Get a grip girl?
Gonna grab Florida.

852
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,800
Lay it on me.
So they say you can't perform

853
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,700
any type of sex, education to
children.

854
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,500
Yeah.
Conversion therapy is totally

855
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,500
okay.
It's children.

856
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,400
Like anyone who's under the age
of 18?

857
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,500
Well kids ask about sex?
That's so stupid.

858
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,300
Yeah but it shouldn't be done in
a public space Oh my God.

859
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,000
And you can try to convert
someone for something.

860
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,400
They didn't want to be and are
not but it's not okay to discuss

861
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,200
things that may help them or
find discover who they want to

862
00:54:11,208 --> 00:54:15,000
be.
It makes no fucking sense, makes

863
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,400
no fucking sense.
It's like such a cop-out.

864
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,900
It's like no, we're just like
trying to be hands-off and

865
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,900
letting the kid like the guys is
like we're letting the kids be,

866
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,000
whoever they want to be like,
that's what they're trying to

867
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,600
make this sound like men and not
convert them, not encourage them

868
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:34,300
to anyone, courage them to
discover to, you want to

869
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,100
encourage them to be gay.
Hmm?

870
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,900
You don't want to talk about it
because you might introduce it

871
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:45,700
and put thoughts in their head.
The other thought is it?

872
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,300
Well, it's not, it's not
appropriate.

873
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:53,300
That's not the place of teachers
and such, but I would argue that

874
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,500
a lot of these kids, that's
where they get, that's where

875
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,500
they'll see the only place they
learned thing or the only place

876
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:00,100
to get attention.
Oh, yeah.

877
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:05,300
Because their parents are awful.
Yes. plenty of kids, plenty of

878
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:12,600
kids especially those who are
gay or Gender questioning or

879
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,700
whatever, their parents,
probably.

880
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:16,200
A lot of their parents are just
awful.

881
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,700
Yeah, they they want to save
that.

882
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,500
Now, there are four.
I'm not going on a tangent here

883
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:26,600
for a second.
Please.

884
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,900
There are four states.
Indiana, Alabama, Georgia.

885
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:36,200
And you guessed it Florida.
That actually have laws that

886
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,700
prohibit, local level bans on
conversion therapy.

887
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:48,200
They prohibit bands on
conversion conversion therapy,

888
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:55,400
20 States, there's absolutely no
laws about conversion therapy.

889
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:04,800
Five states where there is a ban
for minors, only and 21 states

890
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:08,400
with full-out bands.
Thank you Colorado.

891
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,400
Oh, when was that one was
Colorado band?

892
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,900
I do not know, but of the dates,
I mean, it's one of the last 10

893
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,600
years, the 21.
Well, thank fucking God for

894
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,600
that.
The thing that pisses me off,

895
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,600
like, even just like the whole
idea of like anyone who's under

896
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,400
80, we're not, we're not going
to allow it.

897
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,500
Version therapy for anyone who
is under 18.

898
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:31,400
It's like the person I knew was
over 18.

899
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,900
Hmm.
And it doesn't matter how I

900
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:36,600
mean, of course you're an adult
but like, you can still be lost.

901
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,100
But like to take to take
someone's like a place where

902
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:44,300
someone so vulnerable and like
trying to figure their own shit

903
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:48,000
out which is hard for all of us.
Yeah, like no matter what matter

904
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,800
what, but like trying to figure
that out when you think you're

905
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,200
going to be facing adversity
like us and then saying hate and

906
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,600
evil to you.
I mean how that's impossible.

907
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:58,200
People who should love you the
most.

908
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,200
She's your family.
They're like, oh no, we found a

909
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,900
solution for you.
We found this great therapist

910
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,500
like you do your thing.
I can talk to them about,

911
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:08,700
they've gone through the same
thing as you, and in reality,

912
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:10,900
you're like, oh my God, that's
great.

913
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:14,300
Like I I've always wanted
someone to talk to about it.

914
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:17,700
I want you to love me and and so
I'll do whatever you whatever.

915
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:19,200
That's what you need and then
you find out.

916
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,900
It's fucking conversion therapy.
Like if somebody's trying to, if

917
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:28,000
you have a therapist who's
trying to tell you, That you are

918
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,600
not gay or you're not straight
or not like a to be who you are.

919
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,900
Yeah, it's not okay, to be who
you are.

920
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:36,900
Like yeah.
Like these emerges that you have

921
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,400
that are normal.
Like there are you know there

922
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,900
are some weirdoes out there no
matter what like that one or

923
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:45,400
that one shows.
Like there's like this guy was

924
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,700
like I'm just really attracted
to my car and you're like dude

925
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:53,200
that's weird like okay there's
something of that but like but

926
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,500
like if it's like, you know, two
people who are, you know, loving

927
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:58,800
each other.
Other adults like can make their

928
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:04,000
own decisions but we're just
human humans who like who want

929
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,400
connection and and shame on
people who dictating it.

930
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Yeah.
Who are trying to put rules on

931
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,800
that human connection between
two people because it doesn't

932
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,500
look the same for anyone.
That's right.

933
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,900
That's exactly.
That's well, said, well said,

934
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:23,100
that's exactly right.
Here's another one.

935
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,000
Marriage ban.
That's an obvious one.

936
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:26,300
Oh yeah.
Gay marriage.

937
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:27,200
Fat.
Huh.

938
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,200
It wasn't until just eight short
years ago, that marriage was

939
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,000
legal for the entire United
States for gay couples.

940
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,600
Well, and you are married.
Aren't you all right?

941
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,200
Yeah.
Well, yeah.

942
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,000
I mean we're this is technically
Soul Union.

943
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,900
I mean, we're State of
California, Colorado.

944
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:44,900
We are married.
Okay.

945
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:46,700
Yes, yes.
I mean, we didn't go through the

946
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:49,700
whole formal marriage.
Yeah.

947
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:50,600
Who cares.
It doesn't matter.

948
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,600
It's literally a piece of paper.
It's a piece of paper.

949
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:56,200
Yeah, we've been together for 28
fucking here.

950
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,500
We're married.
You guys are very fridge, sir.

951
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:03,100
Yes, but I mean like the fact
that you guys been together

952
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,100
together for 28 years, 20 of
those years.

953
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:08,900
It was not right?
That's crazy.

954
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,400
Yeah.
And so the argument always is

955
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:15,000
around that has been centered
around religion and like you

956
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,100
said before, you know it's Adam
and Eve not Adam.

957
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,600
Shut up.
Oh, here's oh my God.

958
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,000
Okay, I'm going off on a tangent
for so, please.

959
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,500
Okay people I want you to listen
if You're not gonna listen to

960
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:30,300
this entire episode.
I want you to hear these words.

961
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:37,700
When people say, That gay
marriage will ruin.

962
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:43,700
The sanctity of marriage.
They say this a lot that is why

963
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,000
we can't have it.
It ruins, the sanctity of

964
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,300
marriage, right?
so, I'm going to say you, listen

965
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:55,800
here, you little asshole, Stop
watching shit like the 90-day

966
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,500
fiance or the bachelor?
Yes all the shit where blunt I'm

967
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,400
going to meet you behind a wall
and marry you.

968
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:06,900
Oh, it's so dumb.
That's not ruining.

969
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:16,200
The sanctity of marriage.
Eat my shorts pisses me off.

970
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,900
I hate it so much to quote, the
great Bart Simpson, eat my

971
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:27,100
shorts.
God Hippocrates.

972
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:29,100
Okay.
Last one I have on the list is

973
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:31,400
to not just plain out denial
Services.

974
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:34,700
Businesses will flat out say oh
you're gay.

975
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,500
Oh I'm not gonna make a cake.
Oh you're gay.

976
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:43,100
I might make a cards so dumb.
Okay because can I can I just

977
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:47,200
like people who think that can I
can I give you a little All word

978
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,900
of advice.
The gays?

979
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:51,800
Yeah, you want them on your
side?

980
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,700
Okay.
We want the gays on our side.

981
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:58,800
You want to know why?
Because they fucking support,

982
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,300
and droves.
Bud, Light.

983
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:05,600
Oh Bud, Light is fucking doing
just great.

984
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,100
Stay up.
Don't need any straight, he's to

985
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:10,300
be doing great.
Right there?

986
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,000
Kegs of beer, go ahead?
Yeah, go ahead.

987
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,600
Oh, it's being bought and Drums
by the game.

988
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Is another thing like, okay,
guess who all of us want to have

989
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,300
our neighbors.
We want some gaber's, okay

990
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,800
Gamers.
Yeah, we want some Gamers,

991
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,200
because Guess What?
Mmm, they take care of their

992
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,400
shit.
Yeah, we're respectful

993
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,500
respectful.
They are, you know, people who

994
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:37,000
are, you know, in that Community
are very loyal.

995
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,400
Like, you know, you're really
like, just cutting off your nose

996
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,700
to spite your face except when
it comes to to not to denying

997
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,300
services like who cares.
Care is like, okay, someone's

998
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:50,500
having a period party?
Like, is that weird?

999
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:51,900
Yeah, it's probably weird to a
lot of people.

1000
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:53,000
I kind of think it's a little
weird.

1001
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,400
But who fucking cares?
Like right before doing this

1002
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,700
sell 100 cards.
Yeah, I'm gonna yeah.

1003
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,700
But it's all on awesome.
I'm gonna sell this really nice

1004
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:02,400
cake.
Yeah.

1005
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,200
And guess what?
It's gonna help me pay my bills.

1006
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:10,200
So like who gives a shit?
It's so dumb, it's so dumb.

1007
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,300
So dumb.
Now.

1008
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,500
You mentioned this earlier but
it wasn't until 92 that

1009
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:20,500
homosexuality was removed from
the international classification

1010
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:22,000
of diseases.
Yes.

1011
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:25,200
Yep.
Diseases 92.

1012
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:28,000
Uh-huh, 92.
Good God.

1013
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:30,200
Good God.
Girl.

1014
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:39,600
Get her head.
There has been a formal study

1015
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,900
after study which sorry it
shouldn't take a study to

1016
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:47,100
comprehend this that there is
zero benefit.

1017
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:52,700
And extreme consequence of
defining same-sex attraction as

1018
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:58,000
a mental illness.
And designing treatment to

1019
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,500
eradicate it.
You know, it's insane.

1020
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:09,300
I we had talked about this
earlier and I like so my

1021
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,700
grandmother.
Hmm, was gay.

1022
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:15,200
How old was she?
When was she born?

1023
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:20,600
Do you know, probably in the
late 30s?

1024
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,300
Okay, third late 30s.
Yeah, because she had my mom in

1025
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:28,300
1965 so I would assume she was
at least 20.

1026
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:33,100
Okay, so so okay 40s 30s 40s.
Okay.

1027
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:38,100
Yeah, so maybe the 1940s was
when she was born early 30s but

1028
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:44,400
she had she was raised Catholic
and had told her aunt and uncle

1029
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,600
who she loved dearly and they're
like oh we will disown you if

1030
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,900
you're gay.
So she never came out to my mom.

1031
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:53,400
Never mind.
She's like, okay well she had

1032
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,000
Two kids at this point.
I mean and thank God thanks

1033
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,100
grandma because we wouldn't be
here unfortunately.

1034
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:04,300
You know, I wish she would have
been able to, you know, feel you

1035
01:04:04,308 --> 01:04:07,500
know, to feel like she could
actually be herself.

1036
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,600
That's why.
I'm like such an ally today is

1037
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,400
because, you know, she was
unable to be who she was, you're

1038
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,700
an ally today Alicia because you
have Common sense.

1039
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:22,700
I mean because because I don't
know yeah, I'm a person who has

1040
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:26,700
a lot of gay friends and I don't
give a shit about what they do.

1041
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,200
Don't give a shit.
It's like you're just you'd like

1042
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,200
but humans be humans your.
Yeah, you just go figure but I

1043
01:04:34,208 --> 01:04:36,600
mean to even think like her.
Yeah.

1044
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,300
She couldn't be gay at all and
and then fucking hearing about

1045
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:43,100
the DSM.
Like I remember somebody saying

1046
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:46,700
that hose just outlawed or like
taken off the DSM like

1047
01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:50,400
diagnostic list of I'm like
yeah, they thought it was an

1048
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,600
actual disease.
God like it's insane.

1049
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,000
It's crazy, sane.
Did I hide who you are?

1050
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,700
So I'm going to leave you all
with my final thoughts.

1051
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:04,600
Hashtag Jerry Springer?
Hashtag.

1052
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,000
Yes, our AP Jerry Springer.
So, regardless of your feelings

1053
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,100
and opinions on things we've
discussed today and should

1054
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:14,600
remember that.
You are all humans living on a

1055
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,400
planet with other humans.
It doesn't matter how people

1056
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:26,500
dress look live or love.
We are all Omens and the rights

1057
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:29,600
of people are the rights of all
people.

1058
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:34,200
They are human rights and it
doesn't matter if you think

1059
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,500
people are going to hell for
their actions because it doesn't

1060
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,900
impact you.
So, let God do the judging and

1061
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:45,400
the punishment that you believe
in and don't late.

1062
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,300
Don't let hate and pity consume
your little mind for even a

1063
01:05:49,308 --> 01:05:52,700
little second because people who
don't believe in the same things

1064
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:57,800
you do or behave like you.
You or Love Like You Do aren't

1065
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,200
consumed by you.
I promise you that.

1066
01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:04,600
So just treat every human on
this planet with dignity and

1067
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,200
respect and as my Queen of the
Universe.

1068
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,600
RuPaul says, a little bit of
love.

1069
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,200
Goes a long long way.
Amen.

1070
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,700
Thanks for joining today.
Oh, amen.

1071
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:21,200
And cheers.
And you know what?

1072
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,200
Happy Pride to use Kevin Pride
to you and everyone Into the,

1073
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,400
what's the word?
Cheers to everyone in the world.

1074
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,100
Happy bride!
Happy Pride!

1075
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:36,400
Happy Pride to Every Creature.
Great and Small.

1076
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,800
That's what I was looking for.
Thanks again.

1077
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:42,100
Thank you.
Yeah, see ya.

1078
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,800
Bye.