The Woman Who Took Down a Billionaire

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Today's episode contains
potentially triggering material.

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Listener discretion is advised.
Hello bizarre story friends.

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If you're tuned in now, you are
listening to the bizarre AFA

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place where we talk about the
strange, the unusual, the

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unknown, and all things bizarre
AF.

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I am Alicia, your Hostess for
today's episode, and as always,

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I ask that you keep an open
mind, keep a skeptical ear, but

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keep on listening to the facts
as we take you on our newest

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journey, The woman who took down
a billionaire and royalty.

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Well, ahoy, ahoy, Kevin, how are
you, my darling?

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Hey, girlfriend.
How are you?

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I am doing well.
Good.

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Yeah, I'm great.
I'm I'm eleven Spring.

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I know, I know.
Tis the season.

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Things are blooming.
It's in green.

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Gorge.
It's gorge.

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It's like things are turning
purple and pink and the OK.

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What is your favorite spring
flower?

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I always forget the name of it.
It's the one that looks like the

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little teacup, like from Willy
Wonka.

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You know the flower.
Are you talking about the

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daffodils?
I think so.

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Shut the fuck up, those are my
favorite.

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Really.
Oh my God.

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OK, OK, OK, OK.
So it looks.

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Like a little tea cup, right?
It does.

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It does.
Like it has like a little.

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Yeah, like a little little
saucer and cup.

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Oh wait a second, isn't that a?
But it's like it's it's nose.

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No, you're thinking of a
Snapdragon.

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No, I'm thinking of a daffodil.
Daffodil.

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Yeah, You know, OK, I'll I.
Need to I need to.

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I'm going to.
Have to look it up.

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So one of my favorite movies is
Alice in Wonderland.

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Go figure.
Like, biggest surprise ever,

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right?
It's the daffodil.

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No, wait.
That's a daffodil.

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Is that a daffodil?
That's the daffodil.

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That one, yeah, It that's I
think that's it.

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Yeah, yeah.
It just looks like it's on its

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side.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I I would watch Alice in

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Wonderland all the time and it's
still like my go to movie, but I

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love the song where the flowers
sing and like the lazy daffodils

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on the hillside and they're just
like, like they look really

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stupid and like and goofy and
just it that is, that's a

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daffodil.
Yeah, that's my favorite.

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OK, well.
It's her favorite.

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Who knew?
Who knew?

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Who knew that?
Oh, my God.

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I mean, I would have been able
to guess we were talking earlier

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today.
We're like, yeah, it just feels

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right.
It's just things just work out

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with us.
Like it just makes sense.

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So I'm, I'm pretty thankful for
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But yeah, yeah, today, you know
what?

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I I'm happy that we're talking
about the wait.

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Where how?
Yeah.

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How does the flowers lead into
this?

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Oh, cause of spring.
Yeah, that's.

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Right, Spring when you're
talking about spring, because

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this is going to be a little
heavy topic, OK, one of those,

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Yeah, it's going to be one of
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That's why I was like, OK,
Kevin, can you like do a little

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intro And yeah, give us a little
warning because what we're going

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to talk about today has to do
with abuse and minors and mental

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health as well as suicide.
So if you struggle with any of

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those, we don't care to not.
It's not worth it.

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It's not worth it.
But these are topics that are

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going to be coming up.
So I just want to get you ready.

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I promise I'm I'll be as
thorough and thoughtful with

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this as possible, but I thought
I would just kind of go into it.

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OK, let's do it.
Yeah.

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So today we're actually talking
about a woman who has been on my

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list for a while, OK?
She has.

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And by the way, let me just say,
Alicia has a list.

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I have it's.
Hundreds lists.

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Hundreds of ideas.
Anytime like I'm talking to

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someone, they're like, yeah, I
know you do this podcast.

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Like, have you looked into this?
I'm like, no, let me look at it.

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It's worth it.
I add it to the list.

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It's a list.
The list is like overwhelming.

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It's huge.
I should probably like separate

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it and some friends of.
Categorize it.

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Yeah, categorize it I.
Was actually thinking about

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that.
I'm like, just put it into AI

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and like have AI categorize it
by topic and then we can just be

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like, I want to do something so.
That's a great idea.

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Yeah.
I need to use AI more.

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Jesus.
We were talking about that

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before.
Yeah, OK, Anyway, back to the

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topic at hand.
This woman has been on my list

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and to be honest, I really
haven't wanted to talk about the

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topic for a while and it's
really because of all the

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research that I felt would be
required for it.

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But something happened last
night.

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We are recording on Saturday,
golly April 26th and 2025 and

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something happened and it as of
last night it's not even 24

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hours.
But it became more apparent that

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her story is worth telling and
even more necessary now than it

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was before.
So I scrapped the whole idea

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that I had for the last podcast
and moved on to this one.

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So I have another one that you
know is just in the archives.

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Yeah, exactly.
We know about that.

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The archives, yeah.
Yeah, so, Epstein Island,

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Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell,
Prince Andrew.

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What do you tell me what you
know about it, Kevin?

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Or or you know you can, you can
choose to like omit whatever

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information, but like like.
What do I know?

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I'll tell you what I know.
I'll tell you what I know.

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I know that Epstein killed
himself in prison because he was

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arrested for being, I guess,
technically a rapist.

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I guess would what?
That would be molester,

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kidnapper, I don't know.
But he would take people with

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women specifically and do
terrible things, make them do

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terrible things.
I would say under force

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pressure, young women, yes, I
think is probably the key.

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Young women is the key.
And he ultimately gets caught,

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puts in jail.
Right.

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And kills himself, although
there are theories that maybe he

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didn't kill himself, maybe
someone killed him, but that's a

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whole or maybe he's.
Not actually debt, I mean.

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Yeah, we could go forever.
We could definitely go for him,

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right?
But he was just a not a good.

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He was a molester, I guess,
ultimately.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yep, he was a right.

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Now you know, we talk about the
different vernacular and like

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the code names and code words
that that people use.

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For these folks, uh huh.
So what is the word?

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Now it's called a PDF, a file.
A PDF file.

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So like Adobe Acrobat?
Adobe Acrobat.

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Uh huh.
So.

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PDF file.
So the person we're talking

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about, it's a PDF file.
That's right.

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Got it.
Yep.

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Yeah.
So Jeffrey Epstein, you know,

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the question was, you know, what
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He's definitely a Adobe Acrobat
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APDF file and bold highlight
piece of shit.

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Fuck him.
Whatever happened, I hope

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happened.
Whatever.

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Well deserved.
Wait, so I just want to throw

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one thing at yes, for those that
listen, 'cause I know that those

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that are listen, that don't
listen necessarily watch social

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media.
I just want to real quickly

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explain why we give people.
Code.

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Words.
Yeah, and fake words.

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And fake words.
Yes, and it's so we don't get

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blocked.
Right.

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Yeah, yeah.
So the way that things work is

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you have to really be careful.
It is like straight out of 1984,

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like the George Orwell book,
where you have to be very

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careful about what you say and
how you say it.

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And if we use the full word.
Which I said, which we won't put

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on social.
Yes, we will not put it on any

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of the socials, but it will make
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We already like the topics that
we cover.

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We tend to cover topics that we
have to be like a little careful

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with.
But something like this you

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really have to be careful with
because it is hidden in search

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terms in in ways for people to
find you if they're even if

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they're into this, like even if
they're searching.

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Problems.
Yeah, if they're searching, yes.

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If they're into this
information, they're either a

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fucking creep or there's someone
like us who are like, this is

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like not great and we should be
informed citizens.

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So yes, PDF file, you'll hear me
continuing to reference this and

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it's really someone who, you
know, prefers very, very young.

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PDF.
Stuff.

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Yes.
Yes, exactly.

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So I would love to spend time on
talking shit about Jeffrey

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Epstein and like, what a piece
of shit he was because good God,

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motherfuckers, he was.
He was awful.

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He was horrendous.
But really we're talking about a

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woman here who took down royalty
and even billionaires.

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And this person is a woman who
really put a face to all the

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Jane Doe's who stepped forward
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the whole idea of Epstein Island
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themselves.
So who we're talking about today

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is Virginia Goofri and she was
born on August 9th, 1983 in

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Sacramento, CA and her family
relocated to Southern Florida

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when she was just like 4 years
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Unfortunately, she did not have
an easy childhood and many while

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many children were just like
busy playing games, hopscotch

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and like I don't know what you
played like jacks or you know,

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red Rover, red Rover and like
seriously hurt each other.

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You know, she was she was in a
home that was not safe and, and

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a lot of like various difficult
and by difficult, I mean, you

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know, I forget what the code
word is for abusive situations,

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but she was in multiple at a
young age.

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She her parents actually
divorced when she was young and

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she had a brother and she was
kind of caught in the middle

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really between like divorced
parents and do you go with mom,

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do you go with dad?
Like that is that is a decision

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which you have divorced parents,
right?

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Like did you have to make that
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Did you feel like you had to or
did you just have like?

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They made it so easy for me.
God bless you, I I.

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They really did.
It was.

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I remember the event.
I remember the day they told me.

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I remember it distinctly.
Everyone in the room was very

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upset.
Well, three of us were very

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upset, but I was never it was
never traumatic for me.

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They never made it traumatic for
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They were like, we're going to
be like normal human beings just

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yeah, like, like adults, adults.
This is our child.

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We're going to be adults with
our child.

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God bless that because a lot of
people don't don't have that.

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Right.
Exactly.

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And Virginia do free was like or
go free was I always say do

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free, but it's go free.
She did not have that.

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She was in and out of foster
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They're like she was in various
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And actually, she told Virginia,
told the Miami Herald that she

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went from being, quote, in an
abusive situation to being a

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runaway to living in foster
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So she lived on the streets when
she was 14 years old and she

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actually said that she, quote,
found only hunger and pain and

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more abuse when she lived on the
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So eventually that was when she
was living with her father and

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and she'd actually been abused
by a family member at a very

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young age when she was living
with her mother.

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Oh.
God.

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Yeah.
So once again, it's like, you

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know, you're kind of screwed
from the beginning.

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Like if those if these things
are happening to you as a kid,

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it's like good luck in these
formative years.

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Like trying to.
Yeah, it really is a challenge

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to.
And people that can rise above

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it, it's just like, Amen to you,
like.

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Absolutely.
Good for you sister cuz I mean 9

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times out of 10 you're a product
of your environment and if you

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can't it's hard to get yourself
out of that.

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And people that do, I just
admire so much.

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But.
It takes a lot of strength, a

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lot of inner strength and a lot
of determination.

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And, you know, if you had gone
through that, you know, we're

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sending our our love out to you.
A lot of people did not have

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easy childhoods.
And if you are making that

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decision to to rise above it.
You know, good for you.

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Yeah, and if you are not and
you're trying to figure it out,

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just go to therapy, get help.
Like there are there are

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hotlines, there are things we
will be talking about them later

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on today.
But there are programs like just

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do it anyway.
That's not to say it's not

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difficult 'cause it is.
So when she moves in with her

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her dad at 14, she her father
actually had worked at as a

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maintenance manager at the Mar a
Lago property.

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Oh my God.
Owned by Donald Trump, right?

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And her dad helped her get a job
there.

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OK.
So.

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And was her dad her dad abusive?
No.

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Well, not that we know of.
She never said that.

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She, you know, she felt safe
enough to go to him when she

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went to him.
OK, but she was like living on

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the street anyways.
Don't know.

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I don't know the answer to that.
So, you know, she, she had a

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very difficult chat.
I thought the the, the whole,

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the books are everything's
stacked against her, right.

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But she's trying her hardest to,
you know, become a better person

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to, to rise above it.
And she's living with her dad

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and, and she decides to make her
name for herself.

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So she's like, OK, I'm going to
just help out doing maintenance

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stuff with my with my dad.
And this is something we hear

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about all the time.
You know, just like predators

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and the animal Kingdom, they
often find the weakest victim,

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right?
The one that seems like they're

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like, they might have a lame leg
or they might not all be there

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or they might be a little
broken, like spiritual,

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spiritually, mentally,
physically, whatever.

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But ultimately the idea is that
they're easily easier to

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manipulate or take advantage of.
And unfortunately, at 14 years

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old, Virginia fits this bill for
a predatory animal.

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And that's, I guess that's,
that's a great way to put them.

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They are fucking animals.
So I said before she had, she

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had been taken advantage of.
And by taken advantage of, I

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mean a child situation with that
begins with the letter M at 7 by

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a family friend.
She ends up running away between

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12 and 14.
You know, she spends nights on

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the streets.
She like she's in foster care.

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And in 1997, at age 14, she
actually, that's when she moves

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in with her dad.
So then when she's, you know,

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her dad's trying to get her a
job, she eventually ends up

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landing an, an attendant
attendant job at Mar a Lago for

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like a spa.
So I don't know if you know, if

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you guys have been to a spa like
you have like people who are

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passing out towels who might be
and I don't know, Mar a Lago is

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supposed to be huge, right?
This is like a resort, I think,

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isn't it?
And there's like a golf and.

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Yeah.
Like hotel and stuff.

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I think I feel like it's like
like a resort club, golfing

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hotel place.
Gaudy as fuck.

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I would never step into that
place, but whatever.

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I'm sure it's like ridiculous.
Anyways, if you're a poor kid

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who lived lived in the streets,
well sure, that looks like a

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great spot to work.
Of course.

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So she actually, so she was
working as a spa attendant in

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mid 2000 at Donald Trump's
private Mar a Lago club.

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So it is a club and she was
actually just like reading a

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book about massage therapy as
she was working there, right.

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So Glenn Maxwell, who was?
The accomplice.

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Yes, of Jeffrey Epstein, She was
at that time getting a spa

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service and she was a British
socialite who who was the

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daughter of a late media tycoon,
which is Robert Maxwell.

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She was working, Glenn Maxwell
was working for Epstein and and

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Galen was working as a traveling
masseuse.

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If you are listening right now,
huge.

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Huge.
Air quotes.

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Air quotes traveling masseuse
right in between the lines.

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So, so she or, or she was like
working for and, and she, she's

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like, hey, hey, oh, you're like
14.

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You want to earn some extra
money and she's talking to

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Virginia.
She was the fisherman for

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Jeffrey. 100% yeah, a fisherman
who is trying to find really big

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or perceived to be pretty or I
guess pretty small teeny tiny

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little girl fish, right?
So she is the one who comes in

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from position of trust because
why would another woman not

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trust?
Why would a girl not trust

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another older woman, right.
So Galain offers, you know,

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Virginia this job and Virginia's
like, well, shit.

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And like, hey, I don't know
anything about, I'm just reading

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this book and Virginia's like, I
don't know anything about it.

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And what Galain's like, no, like
honestly, don't worry about it.

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I can teach you.
It's super easy.

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We'll figure it out.
So you don't have to have

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experience.
I'll be there the whole I will

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be there the whole time.
You can trust me.

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I'm a woman who's been at the
spa.

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You know me.
I'll be there.

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Nothing bad will happen to you,
right?

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Fisherman was trying to find the
fish.

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So when she when Virginia had
arrived at at Epstein's Palm

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Beach home, she says that he was
actually laying naked lot like

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face down.
And Maxwell was kind of telling

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her, OK, this is how you like
massage him.

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Which one?
You're 14 years old.

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OK, this like old gross guy is
like sitting there trying to

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like waiting and and he's rich.
He's rich.

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You used you were living on the
streets like what?

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Not even a year ago, you were
just living on the streets and

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you're in this opulent home and
you're like, Oh my God, I wonder

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how much money I'm going to
make.

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Exactly.
You're you're not thinking

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about.
It that's why you're.

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There, yeah, you're thinking
about trying to.

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Survive.
Yeah, yeah.

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And trying to like like from her
perspective, it's like I just

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got back from off the streets
and like, maybe she wanted to

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buy you're for you're you're a
teenager like you.

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There are so many things you
could be buying with money,

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right?
Of course.

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And who knows what the situation
anyways.

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You have no life experience, by
the way, at 14.

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Yes, 00 life experience.
So.

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So Max was like showing him, OK,
this is how you like massage him

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or whatever, this is how you do
it.

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So Virginia was then quoted
later to say, you know, they

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seemed like really nice people.
So I trusted them, and I told

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them that I had a really hard
life up until this moment, you

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know?
Yeah.

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So their radar goes off.
Their radar goes off and like

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their magnets, like God, like,
hey, Oh my God, like what?

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What can we do?
Like this is great.

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This is our perfect victim.
Easy, throw the chum in the

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water.
Yes, the sharks are circling.

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Exactly, exactly.
So like, oh, you say you had a

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hard life.
Tell us more.

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And and so she so she said that
she had actually been a runaway

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and she told them that she had
been sexually abused and

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physically abused and was, and
ultimately, like she recalls

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later, that was like one of the
worst things that she could,

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could have said to them.
Of course, they already sussed,

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they kind of already sussed that
out.

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And that's what.
But that wasn't where.

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Her brain was so, no, of course
not.

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You're 14.
You think you can trust these

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people?
They're going to give you money.

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They seemed nice.
They, they weren't weirdos.

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They weren't killing you like
they could have.

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And they and they chose not to.
So ultimately what ended up

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happening was after Virginia had
been introduced to Jeffrey

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Epstein, the two of them, Glenn
Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein had

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begun grooming her.
And grooming is ultimately about

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like, mental and emotional
control.

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Yeah, Yeah.
You're trying to curb someone's

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behavior to be beneficial for
you.

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And as a 14 year old, your
brain's still forming like all

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the, all the neurons, all the
chemicals and stuff, They're not

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there.
They're not.

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They're still like, you're still
going through puberty.

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You're still trying to figure
out like, you know, life.

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So these connections are still
being formed.

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You have people who are then
trying to take advantage of

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that, take advantage of the
traumatic situations you've been

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in, take advantage of the fact
that your brain is literally

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like extreme because you're
going through puberty and your

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body's changing.
So they begin grooming her to

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provide sexual services under
the idea that, well, she's just

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a massage therapist, right?
This is normal.

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This is what like all massage
therapists do, right?

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Exactly.
They give her some money at 1st

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and so then and so she's taking.
Normalize it.

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Just try to normalize it.
Exactly.

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Wait, what's the big deal?
Why are you making a big deal

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out of it?
Yep.

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And what is the first thing that
you think when someone's like

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God, you're making a really big
deal out of this.

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Yeah, you don't want to feel
like a fool.

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Yeah, and you look around,
you're like.

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Am I being, does everyone think
that?

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Yeah, yeah.
So 14 year old Ferischer is

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doing that.
So between 2000 and 2002, she

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actually was closely associated
with with Glenn Maxwell and then

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Jeffrey Epstein.
And she was travelling between

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Epstein's residences in Palm
Beach and in Manhattan.

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So he had two, he had at least
two homes that she knew of that

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she was regularly being ferried
between.

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And he would also pay for her to
go to a place called Zorro Ranch

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in New Mexico.
And a private little island that

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we've all heard about, Epstein
Island is actually little St.

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James James Island.
So Goofri like ends up coming

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out and she says that her
experiences of being trafficked

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by Epstein was really through
like massage and massages and

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sexual services for not just
him, but also a number of his

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business associates, right.
So, and that's over that 2 1/2

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year period.
One would think it would be a

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lot longer, but it was not.
It was only 2 1/2 years.

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So she said that that she
actually was passed around like

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a platter of fruit to all of his
powerful associates and then

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taken around the world on
private jets.

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I mean, this is a girl who's
living on the streets.

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Like we said, she had had a
really rough childhood.

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She couldn't trust anyone.
And then these people are like,

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Oh my God, you're so special.
And so then she tries to a 14

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year old tries to justify,
right, And you justify.

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Oh well, look at the life I'm
living.

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Oh well, this isn't and then
normalizing it and it.

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Might be a little weird, but
whatever, I'll deal with it

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because these are the people who
have treated me the best.

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Yes, I feel like this is strange
and maybe I shouldn't be doing

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it, but you kind of turn off
that like red.

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Flag.
Yes, exactly.

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Compartmentalize it?
Yep.

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Totally.
So she so she was taking around

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to the world.
She was on private jets.

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It wasn't just like, Oh my God,
it's first class.

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It's like you're on a tiny jet
going and you know, you can do

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whatever the hell you want given
all the food like peanut,

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peanut, what peanuts are
nowhere.

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You are eating like, you know, I
don't know, I like sushi, like

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sushi.
You're eating sushi on the plane

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and like you have whatever it is
that you don't have to worry

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about checking into security.
So and that is like the

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champagne lifestyle that she's
receiving and trust me, we love

455
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560
champagne lifestyle.
Just like no certain I I don't

456
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280
need to be as adults, we do not
need to be doing services.

457
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,280
And that's just it.
And you talk yourself into it,

458
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,480
like she was living on the
street, had a terrible

459
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,280
childhood, horrible.
And now she gets this 1%

460
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,360
lifestyle.
You talk yourself into it.

461
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Well, that and like you're also
like wait a second, like like I

462
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600
said before, it's like you
everyone's acting like this is

463
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600
normal and I see these high
profile people who are

464
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,200
incredibly rich and I've.
Seen.

465
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,720
Them before so it's like I know
who these.

466
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,160
And they're doing it, and then
they're not participating in it.

467
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,440
This just must be what normal is
and I've never understood

468
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,600
because I was just a kid right?
And now I'm an adult.

469
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Well, I'm sorry but 14 is not a
fucking adult.

470
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,600
So actually there's a very
specific and very famous

471
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,320
instance of her time with
Epstein and Maxwell, and this

472
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,040
was in March of 2001, where she
was, I'm saying this with air

473
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:24,920
quotes, allegedly, allegedly
traffic to Prince Andrew of the

474
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,480
British royal family.
And why do you have to allegedly

475
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960
do this?
Because it's the royal family

476
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:38,320
and because nothing's been
proven, proven in a court of

477
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,400
law, even though let's just say
this, he's a weirdo and people

478
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,560
have worked for him, think he's
a weirdo.

479
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400
He's just a he's a weirdo and
he's an asshole.

480
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,520
And there is photographic proof
that you can find of her during

481
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,720
this time meeting him.
I'm going to say more about

482
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:05,480
this, but I'm just going to stop
there.

483
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,640
I'm going to stop there because
I'm, I'm going to go off in a

484
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,960
way that's going to not allow us
to be listened to anywhere.

485
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Anyway.
She actually said that she was

486
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,480
trafficked by Prince Andrew.
And she had stated in an

487
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,800
interview that it was a wicked
and really scary time in her

488
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,880
life and that she couldn't
comprehend how in the highest

489
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,560
level of government, powerful
people were allowing this to

490
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,160
happen.
It's because money rules, girl.

491
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,640
She's 14, she doesn't know this.
Right, she doesn't know this.

492
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,800
None of us know this.
Doesn't make any sense.

493
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
But it's not and it's, and it's
not just like the people who are

494
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,400
in the highest levels of
government are allowing this.

495
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320
It's they're also participating
in it.

496
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,120
That is the huge distinction.
It's not just allowing, it's

497
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,040
they are.
Participants.

498
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,520
Yes, there is a painting in or
there was a painting in Jeffrey

499
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Epstein's Miami home.
Oh great.

500
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Or South Beach home and it it
says.

501
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,840
Or it's a a painting of Bill
Clinton in a women's dress.

502
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,480
A women's dress.
OK.

503
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Dressed, you know, cross
dressing.

504
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520
OK, a painting of Bill Clinton
cross.

505
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Dressing and he has friends with
Bill Clinton.

506
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,320
Why do you have a painting of
that in like your like like

507
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,200
stairwell?
Yeah.

508
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,880
And who does?
Yeah.

509
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,280
Why?
I have so many questions.

510
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Yeah, me too.
Why is he consistently on

511
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,840
flights at like seen in the
flight logs with Epstein?

512
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:48,960
Why is the current president
also seen a multiple photos

513
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,240
flights on personal like private
jets with Epstein?

514
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Why did Virginia do free or go
free like meet initially?

515
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Glenn Maxwell at Mar a Lago.
She's saying it in this quote

516
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,840
that we, you know, that we just
went over that, that I, I

517
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,440
couldn't comprehend how the
highest level of the

518
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,560
government's like powerful
people were allowing this to

519
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,440
happen and not just allowing,
but participating in it.

520
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440
So we're talking about Prince
Andrew.

521
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,600
And after visiting a nightclub,
Virginia says that Maxwell told

522
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:35,680
her that she had to do for
Andrew what she did for Jeffrey.

523
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,960
OK, OK.
Yes.

524
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,920
So that's her.
Yeah, OK.

525
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Never mind.
Go ahead.

526
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680
So in court documents from a
civil suit that actually were

527
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,920
were released from being sealed
in 2019, because remember, this

528
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,280
has been going on for a very
long time, she actually was.

529
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Virginia had named several
others that she claimed Maxwell

530
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,960
had, and Epstein had instructed
her to participate in lurid

531
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,320
acts.
Right, because she has already

532
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,840
said she'd been passing around
like a fruit platter.

533
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,040
Right.
She was a fruit platter.

534
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360
And it wasn't just a fruit
platter that was just massaging

535
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,280
people.
It was a fruit platter that had

536
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,000
things put in and then out of
the fruit platter was not just

537
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,680
one person.
You it doesn't matter.

538
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,760
It was wrong.
No matter what, the fruit

539
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:38,200
platter was being taken and
taken advantage of.

540
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,840
And so she said that she
actually had named these people

541
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,080
in 2019 and these documents were
unsealed.

542
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:53,000
And she said that some of the
people were hedge fund manager

543
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Glenn Dubin, attorney Alan
Dershowitz, politician Bill

544
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Richardson, the late MIT
scientist Marvin Minsky, lawyer

545
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:10,760
George J Mitchell and MC2
modelling agent Jean Luc Brunel.

546
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Of course, all of these men deny
allegations.

547
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,920
So in September of 2002.
And by the way, this stuff is

548
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,440
still going on.
These documents are still

549
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,800
sealed.
There are still pieces of

550
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,040
information that are coming out
that Virginia has helped Jane

551
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Doe, who do not want to be
mentioned, has helped provide

552
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,920
information for them with their
cases.

553
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,360
So in September 2002, at 19, she
actually flew to Thailand and

554
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,400
attended the International
training Massage School, which

555
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,240
of course, of course there's
just like massage.

556
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:01,120
And and she like Glenn Maxwell
actually had of course, paid for

557
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,320
the tickets to and from Thailand
and told her to meet with this

558
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,960
very specific girl in Thailand
to bring and to bring her back

559
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400
to the United States for Jeffrey
Epstein.

560
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,560
She's like, OK, you're going to
go to this like massage school

561
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,639
A.
Recruit another one.

562
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:27,760
Yeah.
So while she was there in 2002

563
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,080
and remember like she had
started, let me see, she had

564
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,480
started the association with
Epstein in 2000.

565
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,159
So it's like 2 years later,
right?

566
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,000
The after she had first met
them.

567
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,400
So she was at massage school in
Thailand in 2002.

568
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,040
She meets this guy, Robert
Guffrey.

569
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,400
He's an Australian martial arts
trainer and they actually had

570
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,920
married shortly after.
They got along really well.

571
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,800
She thought he was cute,
whatever, but also probably saw

572
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,280
protection in an escape and felt
safe with him.

573
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,480
So she and her husband had
actually started a life in a

574
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,160
family in Australia, and Guffrey
broke off all contact with

575
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,400
Epstein and with Glenn Maxwell.
So for five years, her and her

576
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,880
husband built a family, had a
quiet life in Australia and just

577
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,280
spent time with their young
kids, right.

578
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,760
She said goodbye to that whole
lifestyle.

579
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,400
The champagne, you know, private
jet life did not make her feel

580
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,920
good.
And she's like, I found a man I

581
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,760
like and I wanted to just live
life with him.

582
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,640
So in March, actually of 2005,
she was still, you know, in

583
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,880
Australia.
And she was contacted by the

584
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,000
Palm Beach Like Police
Department and they began

585
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,040
investigating after a 14 year
old girl and her parents

586
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,960
reported Jeffrey Epstein's
behavior.

587
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Now this you guys may have like
heard of of this.

588
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,400
And I remember seeing it.
It's like, Oh my God, Jeffrey

589
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,320
Epstein came out.
By the way, there was all this

590
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,840
information in Miami or Palm
Beach that said that he was

591
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,960
actually doing this to many
girls and like the police knew

592
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,440
about it and it had been kind of
pushed under the rug.

593
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,760
Yes.
So the girls had actually, or

594
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,280
the girl had actually described
being recruited by another

595
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
female classmate.
This is how these things happen.

596
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Like when we're talking about
green, yellow and red traffic

597
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,280
signs.
And by traffic signs, I mean not

598
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,680
signs, but Ed.
So the signs replace that with

599
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:45,120
an Ed it that's what we're
talking about is yeah, traffic,

600
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,480
yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

601
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,080
So it's not.
It does not happen from like a

602
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,840
weirdo like guy with a, you
know, a coat on or a right

603
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,680
French coat on with like a hey,
I wanna put.

604
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,800
You in the back of my van?
Yeah.

605
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:04,040
You, you like these, these,
these watches, they're all real

606
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,400
Rolexes.
I promise.

607
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,160
You know, that's not what
they're saying.

608
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,040
It's, it's always someone that
you can trust.

609
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,000
It's a woman that you can trust.
It is a friend that you know,

610
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,800
it's a girl that you like or a
boy that you go to school with

611
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,680
and that you guys are friends
and those are the, or a

612
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,520
boyfriend or a family.
Like, that's how these stoplight

613
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000
situations dealing with traffic
happen.

614
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,200
So the girl described being
recruited by that female

615
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,920
classmate from a high school to
give, what, a massage again, to

616
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,240
Jeffrey Epstein at his mansion
in exchange for cash.

617
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,480
What teenager's not going to do
that?

618
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,760
I mean, go to what?
I have to, like, rub down like a

619
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,200
weirdo.
That's fine.

620
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,480
I'm just doing, you know, this.
I'm not going to be a good

621
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,160
massage, you know?
So she ends up telling her

622
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,240
parents though.
She told her parents in Palm

623
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:00,520
Beach and and she was like, hey,
they had told me to come here.

624
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,640
A friend of mine told told me
it's totally safe.

625
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:11,280
I go there and he gives me money
and he had This is so hard with

626
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,800
like the code words.
It's like celested.

627
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,840
Celestial.
Celestialed but instead of the

628
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,240
celestial it's like an M and
it's a celested where he did

629
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,560
that to her.
So she goes and gives gives the

630
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,160
massage.
He ends up selesting her and and

631
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,520
gets money and she tells her
parents and so in October well.

632
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Thank God she tells her parents
though.

633
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,360
Thank God, but get get this, in
October of 2005, there was a

634
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,200
growing list because these the
police officers are like,

635
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,600
something's going on here.
Finally, they're like, yeah.

636
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,320
And this would be going been
going on for at least for at

637
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,160
least five years that we know
that.

638
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:04,880
Pisses me off, you know, because
it's because people like that

639
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:13,560
who have money and power and
know the police, which is always

640
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,360
the case because powerful people
know powerful people.

641
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Right.
And they all try to cover.

642
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Each other and they cover each
other's asses.

643
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,680
They have no scruples.
They have no.

644
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,800
No.
They don't care about normal

645
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,960
people.
They don't.

646
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Have so then it's not until
there's 500 cases of them or

647
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,440
people actually start raising a
stink where they go, hey, maybe

648
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:43,040
this isn't MM hmm, gross.
It's so gross.

649
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,080
And and often times you hear, Oh
my God, like, OK, Bill Cosby is

650
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,640
a great example.
It's like, oh, he was doing this

651
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,760
for a while and I actually had
actually.

652
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,680
He was a family man, he had a
great TV show, everybody loved

653
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,800
him.
How could he possibly be doing

654
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,520
this?
He's so funny, so wholesome.

655
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,000
He sells jello.
He's on Candid Camera with

656
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,040
children and like.
He's not doing that.

657
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Yeah, or like whatever, like
children show.

658
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,040
It's like, you've got to be
kidding me.

659
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,160
I had actually heard this from a
past Co worker.

660
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,440
She was like, he's a really bad
man and he does really bad

661
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,520
things.
And I just thought she was being

662
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,000
racist.
And now I'm like, oh fuck, she

663
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,160
was right.
She was right exactly.

664
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,760
And I was like, you're just
being racist.

665
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,640
Which I think she was a little
more racist, but like also,

666
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,520
which is not OK, duh.
But that's why I was like, you

667
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,960
are incredibly judgmental and
you're very racist because you

668
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,880
don't like Bill Cosby.
Little did you know.

669
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,240
Can we please like cut that out
and use that as a fucking Oh my

670
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:46,240
God, you're racist because you
don't like Bill Cosby in 2010 is

671
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,440
when I said I were like right
before I'd come out.

672
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,560
I remember just like eating my
fucking words after that.

673
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,440
And like, she was, I guess she
was right a lot of things she

674
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,440
wasn't right when I was like,
anyways, so you know, you have

675
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,720
all these girls who come forward
and they actually like the Miami

676
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,960
or the South Beach police are,
and Miami Herald are getting

677
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,920
involved and all this
information is coming out and

678
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,720
they're like, holy shit.
Like there is something here.

679
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,240
Everyone's corroborating this
information.

680
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,880
The, the, the list is getting,
is getting bigger in October

681
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,200
2025.
And they're, it's always the

682
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,920
same story.
It's always the he said I, I was

683
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,880
told by my my school mate, like
my, you know, a girl in my

684
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,880
class, Hey, you want to earn
some extra money?

685
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,680
And it was always the kids who
lived in fucking, you know,

686
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,960
trailer parks and like had
broken homes.

687
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,400
You want to come over or add
some extra money, cool, Just go

688
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,440
and like rub this guy, this old
man's body.

689
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Super easy money.
You don't have to go there for

690
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,320
very long.
So these girls go and then and

691
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,920
there's a growing list and
they're coming out and there are

692
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,120
statements from Epstein's
butlers from corroborating these

693
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,640
girls claims.
And there is then a search

694
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,320
warrant that is performed at his
property in 2005 in Palm Beach.

695
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,720
So the police are saying, OK,
there's a pattern here.

696
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,760
All these girls are like
connecting with each other.

697
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,880
Epstein's asking to massage him
then that or excuse me, asking

698
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,920
for them to massage him.
Maxwell Galene Maxwell is

699
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,800
getting involved as like the
Fisher fish spot.

700
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,880
Fisherman.
Yeah, the fisherman and he is

701
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,280
then choosing when they're in a
vulnerable, vulnerable position,

702
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,480
like rubbing his like weird ass
fucking old body.

703
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,080
He starts assaulting them,
right?

704
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Like during the massage, so
they're looking through his

705
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,360
trash because they have all
these people's like information.

706
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,840
They have the butlers like all
of this, you know, information's

707
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,600
mounting.
They go through his trash and

708
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,080
they find that there are notes
with telephone numbers of and

709
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,600
girls names associated with
them.

710
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,760
And one of the girls was
actually called by Epstein's

711
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,720
assistant while being questioned
by the police.

712
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:07,920
So the police are quite
literally going through his

713
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,800
trash in the headquarters or
whatever, wherever they go

714
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,960
through trash and call her up
and say, hey, this is detective

715
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,240
whatever.
While she's on the phone with

716
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,560
them, Epstein, Epstein's
assistant, is calling to set up

717
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,640
a fucking massage.
OK.

718
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,120
Now, this is not something that
like, you know, it's not

719
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,240
something that's like been
months or years later.

720
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,640
It's like this is happening in
real time.

721
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,680
So it's like, it's so pervasive.
So Guffrey actually had relayed

722
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,280
to the Miami Herald that she had
received a series of phone

723
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,080
calls, just one right after
another over three days in 2007.

724
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,960
And the first call was from
Maxwell and then the next day

725
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,120
from Epstein.
And both of them had actually

726
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,120
asked if she had spoken to any
authorities.

727
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,640
Hey, have you spoken to the
police?

728
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,880
Have you talked to anyone?
She's like, what are you talking

729
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,520
about?
Like, no, I'm, I'm in like, I'm

730
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,080
with a husband.
That's super weird.

731
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,720
So then she gets another call
after Epstein and Maxwell

732
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,120
contact her from the FBI this
time.

733
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,440
And the FBI says that Virginia
had been identified as a victim

734
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,480
during the first criminal case
against him.

735
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,280
So she actually at first did not
talk to the FBI.

736
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,720
She's like, I just want to leave
this in the past.

737
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:30,400
I don't want to deal with it.
But then she was approached

738
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,960
again in prison, or, excuse me,
in prison, in person.

739
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
And this time it was by the
'cause she's living in

740
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Australia.
Remember, she got married in

741
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,320
Thailand.
She has a family.

742
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,680
FBI calls her, she's like, I'm
not going to deal with this.

743
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,000
And then she's approached by the
Australian, you know, Police

744
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,800
Department, and they're like,
hey, so there's like a bigger

745
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,720
story here.
This is what's going on.

746
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:57,560
The FBI told us.
And so she then confirms and, of

747
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,800
course, feels for all of these
victims.

748
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,480
They tell her all about what's
happening.

749
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,000
You know, the Australian Police
Department.

750
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,520
She's like, oh, my God, I have
kids now.

751
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,480
I see how he's being taken
advantage of.

752
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,720
I have enough, I guess, space
from it.

753
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,480
I can't let these little girls
who are being taken advantage

754
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,440
of, like continue to get tainted
advantage of.

755
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:23,120
And so she provides photos, she
provides records and witnesses

756
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,240
who know Epstein, Maxwell worked
for them, Butler's, etcetera,

757
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:35,240
actually confirm huge swaths of
Virginia's information about her

758
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,240
time with Epstein.
And remember, there are photos,

759
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
there are records.
She was a teenager who had like

760
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,640
a camera.
And so she has a picture with

761
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:51,320
fucking Prince Andrew that came
out and that later, later comes

762
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,160
out like during the legal
proceedings and stuff.

763
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,680
And people are like, there's no
way.

764
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,480
But she's like, Oh yeah, you
want to fucking bet?

765
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Like here's a picture of of
Andrew, Prince Andrew with his

766
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,760
arm around my waist.
I'm 15 or 14 years old.

767
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,720
He had a daughter around that
same age or maybe younger.

768
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,840
How fucking gross is that?
And OK, I don't know about you.

769
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:21,040
The British royal family are
super like handsy, huggy kind

770
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,440
people who just look so warm and
affectionate.

771
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,240
Fuck no they don't.
They all have like, whatever I

772
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,240
like, whatever they're, they are
what they are.

773
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,480
But like, they do not look like
they're warm or good at giving

774
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,320
hugs, OK?
Like, let alone putting a

775
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,000
fucking arm around a 14 year
old's waist.

776
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,920
That's weird.
Do you know who you reminded me

777
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,760
of when you said that was a
Lexus from?

778
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,240
Oh my God, don't say shit's
crazy, Yeah.

779
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:55,240
I mean, you're super warm and.
Do you know how many times I

780
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:59,000
have fucking had people tell me
that I am like Alexis and I say

781
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,200
things like her?
I'm like, bitch, I have fucking

782
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,880
I have.
That has been me from day one.

783
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,720
Alexis happened after you.
Guess what my partner's name is?

784
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,280
Oh my God.
Right.

785
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,040
You shut up, Devad David.
Oh my God, Devad.

786
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,120
I had no idea.
I didn't watch it and I was like

787
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,640
David and one of my friends were
like, Oh my God.

788
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,240
Alicia, have you seen Shits
Creek?

789
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,880
I'm like, no, what are you
talking about?

790
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,640
No, I can't get past it.
Have you seen?

791
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Yes, I've seen it.
It.

792
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
I've been with Dave since 2008.
Shits Creek came out later.

793
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,840
Yeah, they wrote it after you.
Whatever, but like, honestly,

794
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,880
fuck the fucking sorry the
British people.

795
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,840
No, no, you digress.
We needed a break, OK?

796
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,760
We definitely did.
So this is some dark stuff.

797
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,280
Ultimately, she has proof.
And it's not just here's the

798
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,520
thing.
There's not just photographic

799
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,680
proof that she had provided.
There are also like boats and

800
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,840
like pictures taken of Prince
Andrew during that time.

801
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,640
They went to a club.
OK.

802
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,800
And one thing that like Virginia
kept on saying she was like,

803
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,280
he's really sweaty and he, he
had me do like weird things with

804
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,600
this fucking like puppet that he
owned of him.

805
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,360
There was like some weird stuff
that he was and she's like, why

806
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,560
would she make that up?
That's exactly the thought I was

807
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,720
thinking like there's you don't
make that up.

808
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,320
Come to find out there was a
puppet of him that he had

809
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:35,560
actually purchased at auction
that he had like the sick sucked

810
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,280
up.
Like these people are so boring

811
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,840
in their lives and have no like
affection that they need to.

812
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,480
It's so gross.
I'm sorry you have 0 like that's

813
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,920
not very creative.
You're so gross.

814
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,160
You're a you're a Prince who
needs to pay like your friend,

815
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:59,520
like who is in, you know,
spotlight bread, light traffic

816
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,640
stuff to have like a 14 year old
have anything to do with you.

817
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,040
Like you're so disgusting.
Anyway, so he is seen one on

818
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,160
this picture.
Oh, that could be, you know,

819
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:16,560
digitally like yes, we are
responding from the from the

820
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,800
British.
I don't know what is it

821
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,200
Kensington Palace.
And we're saying that actually

822
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,640
this, this is this is false.
Oh, by the way, they're a

823
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,520
paparazzi because those mother
fuckers are everywhere.

824
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,880
They end up finding out that,
oh, they see her and him and

825
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,440
he's sweating.
He goes on to like ABC or like

826
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,080
one of those like prime time
shows you.

827
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Remember that does an interview.
He does an interview, and one of

828
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,360
the things that Virginia Dufrey
said or Gufrey says is, yeah, he

829
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,040
sweated a lot and was like,
really gross.

830
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,120
One of his alibis was, yeah,
it's like a really weird thing.

831
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Like as the royal family, we
just like don't sweat.

832
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,520
It's like super weird.
I'm like not a sweater.

833
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,280
It's actually like a, a, a
medical problem.

834
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,760
This mother fucker is, I'm sure
he had all the Botox in his face

835
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,000
ever.
And he was wearing like like all

836
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,000
like, you know, long sleeves.
So you couldn't see any.

837
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,280
Like he had his earlobes like
fucking, you know, Botox down.

838
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,880
So there was no sweat.
But he was like, no, no, I'm

839
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,720
going to counter that.
And so these pictures that you

840
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,480
saw at Vanity Fair or whatever,
like paparazzo like photos, you

841
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,880
know, that she that's I don't
know who was behind me, but it

842
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,280
wasn't her.
Meanwhile, there's a picture of

843
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,560
her that she provided that has
the exact same fucking outfit.

844
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,240
And she's also around people
like Naomi Campbell, which OK,

845
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,800
people you want to watch out
like what?

846
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,840
Like look out for that.
Our a friend of the pod, Shannon

847
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:48,040
at fluently forward.
She has some great Jeffrey

848
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,960
Epstein stuff if you want to
like dive deeper.

849
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Anyway, these are pieces of shit
people.

850
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,840
What I really wanted to talk
about is the fact that she

851
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:02,160
provided physical proof for the
police, for the court system to

852
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,520
say these people were the people
who were involved.

853
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,840
I was here for multiple years
and I have evidence for them.

854
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,960
So there are multiple criminal
cases against Epstein.

855
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,960
And ultimately they, it helped
the the Palm Beach.

856
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,120
Remember, there's all these kids
who are coming forward and

857
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,000
they're like, OK, we are trying
to gather up, but this guy has

858
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,360
money.
And so we really need to make

859
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,560
sure that we have an airtight
case or else he's going to his

860
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,000
lawyers are just going to come
after us.

861
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:34,520
So in 2006, actually a year
before Virginia was contacted by

862
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,840
authorities, they continue to
have all this evidence.

863
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,280
They signed probable probable
cause affidavits with multiple

864
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,160
counts of unlawful acts with a
minor for Epstein, right?

865
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,240
And he, like I said, hires all
these powerful lawyers and

866
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,800
including by the way, Alan
Dershowitz, who OK, my friend.

867
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,560
He was also on the island also
quoted as being one of these

868
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:09,720
weirdos who is a likes Adobe
Acrobat and PDF files and is a

869
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:17,840
creep and a half anyway, So
there as the case is, is

870
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,120
progressing, you have the chief
of police who's like here in

871
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,960
South, he's like, oh, these are
like huge lawyers.

872
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,520
These are criminal defense
lawyers.

873
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,160
These are lawyers who like make
gazillions of dollars.

874
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,880
I don't know how we're going to
deal with this and especially

875
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,280
against like state prosecutors,
like, what the hell are they

876
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,480
going to do?
You know what I mean?

877
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Anyways, on May 20, 2020, on May
1st, 2006, the guy, the police

878
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,200
chief was asked to be removed
because he was getting a little

879
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,400
bit too freaked the fuck out and
was like, how, how can I, how

880
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,320
can I do this?
Like how can I, how am I

881
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,560
supposed to like go up against
all these people?

882
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,280
It's like, well, you're the
chief of police, you need to

883
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:11,000
fucking figure it out.
OK, so there was a lead police

884
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,280
detective who asserted that the
state prosecutors were at first

885
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,880
super easier, like eager to
pursue like legal action.

886
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,160
All these girls are coming
forward.

887
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,320
All this stuff is happening and
and that's this powerful man.

888
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,520
Let's protect them like as
people, as adults, we need to

889
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,640
protect our children and these
kids.

890
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,360
And like, that's, that's our our
place.

891
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,200
But then everything took a a
turn when Alan Dershowitz got

892
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,920
involved and said, hey, I'm the
lead lawyer on this.

893
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,840
And they decided to actually
take the unusual action of

894
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,440
turning the information over to
a grand jury and presented

895
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,640
testimony, testimony of only one
girl.

896
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,840
Now, remember, there were so
many girls, they were bringing

897
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,960
information out of his like
trash can.

898
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:08,440
Like they only pulled forward
one girl's testimony and then

899
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,640
they eventually described that
the tactics, the tactic of

900
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,520
Epstein's lawyers as a year long
assault on the prosecution and

901
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,400
prosecutors.
They eventually agreed to sign a

902
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,160
controversial non prosecution
agreement in 2008, which was

903
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,080
done without informing the
victim.

904
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:32,080
So all these victims who came
from no means we're told or or

905
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,000
didn't even know that the the
case was over and they had this

906
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,880
guy like sign a document and he
could not be charged for it.

907
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,600
Like talk about corruption.
Right.

908
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,040
Terrible.
Yeah.

909
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,040
So ultimately there was a
lawsuit in 2008 and it was, it

910
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,160
was one of the Jane Does against
the United States of a, of a, of

911
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,840
America that was filed by two
lawyers that accused that the US

912
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,720
Justice Department was violating
the Crime of Victim Victims Act,

913
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,680
right.
During the first criminal case

914
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,960
that we were just talking about
against Epstein by failing to

915
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,840
allow several of his victims to
challenge his plea deal.

916
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,480
So then what does Epstein do?
OK, fine.

917
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,520
You want to try to do that?
Here's money.

918
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,440
I'm going to sue you,
motherfucker.

919
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:27,040
So Epstein decides to sue him
and and I mean, what are you

920
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,680
supposed to do?
Like this guy can throw as much

921
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,960
money at it because he's not
only covering his own ass, he's

922
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:37,880
covering everyone else's.
And Gufri is like finding all

923
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160
this stuff out.
And her greatest wish was to

924
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,640
pursue the larger objective of
having all of their allegations

925
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,600
heard in a federal court in
order to overturn the non

926
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,720
prosecution agreement.
So she knows about this and this

927
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,600
guy who's like, working with or
is trying to say like the, you

928
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,320
know, the United States
government's anonymous, he's

929
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,600
like, hey, look, this is what
happened in Florida.

930
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,080
And she's like, are you fucking
kidding me?

931
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,400
What do I need to do to make
sure that everyone can be heard?

932
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:14,280
And there was a victims suit
that was actually filed in May

933
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,520
of 2009.
Virginia, our girl filed A

934
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,640
lawsuit as Jane Doe number one,
O 2, Jane doe #1O22.

935
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:29,160
My friends, like it's not Jane
Doe one or two or two or 50 or

936
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:36,360
70 or, you know, 11O2 OK.
She files it against Epstein and

937
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,480
accuses Maxwell of recruiting
her to a life of beings.

938
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:49,720
Actually, actually, what do they
say?

939
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:57,200
Stoplighted, stoplighted affect.
I know it's so fucking stupid,

940
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,000
but it's like it does it's.
So hard to say.

941
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,880
Yeah, but you guys know what I'm
talking about.

942
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,440
PDF files.
So while she was a minor, by

943
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,880
late 2009, dozens of Epstein's
victims had filed as lawsuits

944
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,880
against him, and all of the
suits were settled for

945
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,400
undisclosed amounts.
Which what?

946
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,320
What do you think?
You think all these girls who

947
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,040
like they're choosing are coming
from money?

948
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:26,080
No, no, they choose poor girls,
like literally financially, you

949
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,800
know, dependent girls who are,
who need money, they need money.

950
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,920
So here I'm going to pay you off
as an adult so you do not file

951
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,400
anything against me.
So in January of 2022, unsealed

952
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,160
documents revealed that the
settlement amount in the 2009

953
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:46,400
case, which was the Jane Doe One
O 2 versus Jeffrey Epstein, that

954
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:52,520
amount that was paid was
$500,000 which in. $500,000 To

955
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,760
who?
To one person.

956
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,960
To Jane doe #2 to.
Number one O 2.

957
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,440
One, excuse me, one O 2, which
is our girl Virginia.

958
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,320
And that was $500,000 and the
equivalent of that was 733,000

959
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,520
dollars in 2004.
And there was other specify

960
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,680
unspecified valuable, valuable
consideration.

961
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,720
So it's like, OK, she at least
got $700,000 out of this and

962
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,120
then more shit.
And so people are like, Oh well,

963
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,240
she was paid off too.
But she actually credited the

964
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,480
the birth of her baby in January
of 2010 as the date that she

965
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,800
decided to come forward to
publicly begin speaking out

966
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:47,920
about her experiences of of PDF
files and having to sit at red

967
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:54,800
lights despite the risks.
And actually her store was first

968
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:02,240
publicized in two March of 2011,
of course, in the mail, which is

969
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:08,840
a British newspaper.
And the coverage actually

970
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,920
included that photo of Prince
Andrew with his arm around

971
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,200
around Virginia at Maxwell's
house, which was very, very

972
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,920
strange.
I cannot say how strange this

973
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,600
is.
This isn't these are not like,

974
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,880
you know, people who typically
touch each.

975
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,400
Other.
They don't bump literal uglies

976
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,640
because they are literally
disgusting.

977
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,560
So the FBI agents once again
reach out to her and we're like,

978
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,160
hey, we saw this.
You want to like come and talk

979
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,920
to us.
And so then she was at the US

980
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,840
Consulate and does come forward
as outside of Jane Doe One O 2.

981
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,840
So in December she starts
setting up the framework of her

982
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,080
organization called the Victims
Refuse Silence Organization.

983
00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,400
It was registered as a 5O1C3
nonprofit in 20/20/15 and the

984
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,400
objective was to of of the
Victims.

985
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Refuse Silence organization is
to help survivors surmount the

986
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
shame, silence and intimidation
typically experienced by victims

987
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,440
of.
Sexual abuse and to try to help

988
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,960
others to escape becoming
victims of.

989
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,560
PDF stuff.
Yeah, yes.

990
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,920
And other stuff.
And other stuff where you sit at

991
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,760
lights and stuff like that.
So for her organization, she

992
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,240
used an imagery of a blue
butterfly to symbolize the

993
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,960
transformation and empowerment
that occurs when someone is a

994
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,040
survivor.
And it's also the the National

995
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:50,680
international colour for people
who are being rafficked.

996
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,920
Graphics.
Graphic graphic.

997
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:03,440
So just an FYI, Human Rafficking
awareness month is January 11th

998
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,680
and it's also listed as National
Wear Blue day.

999
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,040
And her charity had started and
then kind of like faltered.

1000
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,560
She's been helping out a lot
with a lot of these cases.

1001
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,920
And but it was relaunched in
2021 under the name Speak out

1002
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,720
act reclaim, which is sore Speak
out act Reclaim.

1003
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,120
So we we were talking about
Prince Andrew.

1004
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,440
Eventually she receives a settle
settlement.

1005
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,640
And I told you before he was
like on like CBS or some kind of

1006
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,600
thing saying that wasn't me.
And like, I don't sweat what a

1007
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:46,600
fucking idiot she actually had.
She alleged that Epstein had had

1008
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:54,600
paid her $15,000 after she had
had Mex Bex Tex only with an S

1009
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:02,160
with him in London.
And and that picture was widely

1010
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,000
circulated and has been widely
circulated.

1011
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,920
We've probably all seen it since
2011.

1012
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:13,200
And ultimately now Prince
Andrew, I don't know if you know

1013
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,000
this, but he has is no longer
doing any royal duties.

1014
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,080
Did you know that?
I don't think I did necessarily,

1015
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,400
no.
Yeah, he is divorced, which

1016
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,840
whatever, you know, majority of
people are divorced.

1017
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:32,320
But he has two daughters who are
not much younger than Virginia

1018
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,120
Goofri.
Not much younger.

1019
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,160
It's really, I think they're
about my age, like and I think

1020
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Virginia Goofri is like 4 years
older than me, five years older

1021
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:43,760
than me.
Like.

1022
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:50,840
So really makes you sit there
and be super disgusted.

1023
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,200
So he in 2015, spokespeople for
the British royal family stated

1024
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:02,000
that any suggestion, excuse me,
any suggestion of impropriety

1025
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,520
with underage minors is
categorically untrue and just

1026
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:13,080
continue to like repeat denials.
So anytime people would answer,

1027
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,800
oh, what do you think about
Prince Andrew or now Duke

1028
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,440
Andrew, whatever the fuck his
name is, they're not going to

1029
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,720
say anything because there was
some kind of settlement reached.

1030
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,360
Ultimately, she's then files a
civil lawsuit.

1031
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,680
Which girl, get your bag.
This is a guy is a fucking creep

1032
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,760
over several.
It wasn't just one.

1033
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,280
They only talked about one.
There were several encounters

1034
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,880
with him and when she was 16 and
17.

1035
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:48,040
And of course he denies it.
On February 15th, 2022, both

1036
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,800
parties reached an out of court
settlement, which included the

1037
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,840
Prince making a substantial
donation to her own charity

1038
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:02,200
Sore.
So ultimately people have come

1039
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,520
out and tried to make her seem
like she didn't know what the

1040
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,720
fuck she was talking about or,
you know, fuck with her

1041
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:14,840
character, one being
ex-boyfriend saying that she's

1042
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,200
she said that like the
ex-boyfriend said that.

1043
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,640
Oh, yeah, I've met like,
Epstein.

1044
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,560
And she said something about,
you know, his friend who was a

1045
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:29,720
royalty or whatever, but she was
really nervous when she was in

1046
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,800
London and didn't know how to
act.

1047
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,720
I don't know what exactly
happened.

1048
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,520
Do you know any girls?
And then also, like, he said

1049
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:44,040
that his sister was asked to
find victims for Epstein.

1050
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,080
So like this is just like
continuing to the cycle.

1051
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:53,640
So ultimately, you know, Glenn
Maxwell while serving, which is

1052
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,160
the fisherman.
We know what happened to Jeffrey

1053
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,400
and Epstein, like you said said
before at the top of the

1054
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,440
episode, he was maybe died by
his own choice.

1055
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,240
But Glenn Maxwell is still
serving her prison sentence and

1056
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,520
had actually said, had said and
stated in several interviews

1057
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,400
that she believed the photograph
showing her together with Andrew

1058
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,920
and Virginia.
So both those people together,

1059
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,800
she thought that it was fake.
Of course she's going to say

1060
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,600
that, right?
Yeah.

1061
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,000
It's like.
Whatever.

1062
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,240
She's such an idiot.
So let me just state this,

1063
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,960
Virginia grew fruit was not only
just trying to get of course

1064
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,040
she's going to get money for
herself.

1065
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,160
Like fuck like she as she should
as she should.

1066
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,320
This is probably something she
spent way more money on in

1067
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,640
therapy and like issues every
single day.

1068
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,560
And as we'll learn in a very
short bit that she paid the

1069
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:58,360
ultimate price for it.
But she was being bullied by

1070
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,320
lawyers.
All of us have heard of

1071
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,040
Dershowitz.
Who is that lawyer?

1072
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,480
Alan Dershowitz?
We've all heard that fucking

1073
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:12,240
name, and he was.
These people were incredibly

1074
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,080
powerful.
She was constantly being bullied

1075
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,760
by these powerful people who are
incredibly rich, and she was the

1076
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:26,880
first Jane Doe to step forward
and put a name and a face to the

1077
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,600
allegations made against all of
these incredibly powerful

1078
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,200
people.
The amount of bravery that takes

1079
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,880
is insane.
And I cannot imagine the amount

1080
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:42,280
of, of stuff that she was
getting from these lawyers.

1081
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,840
You know, I could not imagine
it.

1082
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,120
Anyway, she said that she was
not going to continue to be

1083
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,520
bullied back into silence and
she was always going to step

1084
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:54,480
forward.
Now she then sues Alan

1085
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,720
Dershowitz.
And of course, this is just

1086
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:58,880
everything's going back and
forth.

1087
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,400
A lot of court claims.
What I'm trying to to tell you

1088
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,800
is ultimately she was being
harassed.

1089
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,760
This woman was being harassed in
the court systems, I'm sure.

1090
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,880
I mean, we talk about like being
bullied online, but it's like

1091
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,840
I'm sure through that she had
just children.

1092
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,720
Her children were probably being
affected.

1093
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,840
Like everything in this was was
being affected.

1094
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,880
And currently she is have issue.
Well, currently she was helping

1095
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,000
out with other cases of these
Jane Does.

1096
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,440
She was providing evidence,
providing information that she

1097
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:37,040
could being a witness for these
these women who were as children

1098
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:43,760
being abused and enemy number
one for all of these powerful

1099
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:48,760
people.
Now her and her husband had

1100
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:55,360
separated in early of this year
and of course a lot of issues

1101
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,960
she was having a lot of issues
with her health.

1102
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,480
On March 31st, 2025 this year,
she said claimed that her car

1103
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,840
had collided with a bus
travelling at 70 mph and it

1104
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,080
resulted in her going into renal
failure and she said that she

1105
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,120
had been given four days to
live.

1106
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,560
They later announced like excuse
me, the WA Police Force had

1107
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,359
later announced that they had
records of a minor crash, crash

1108
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,960
between her and that there were
her and a bus and there was no

1109
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,359
like injuries that were actually
reported.

1110
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,800
Her family later said in a
police statement that the police

1111
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,960
report had been filed following
the accident and that Virginia,

1112
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,319
who was banged up and bruised,
was taken to the hospital and

1113
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:45,439
her condition had deteriorated.
At the same time, she was

1114
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,880
accused of breaching a family
violence restraining order with

1115
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:54,160
her estranged husband and there
was a court hearing set for

1116
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,800
April 9th.
She then denied that there are

1117
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,279
any issues.
The reason I'm telling you about

1118
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:07,000
this is ultimately, according to
her family, Virginia Goofri had

1119
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:14,920
died by suicide at her home in
WA ON April 25th, 2025.

1120
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,960
I don't know whether or not any
of these things are true.

1121
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:25,479
All I know is that less than 24
hours ago, this had happened to

1122
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,600
her.
And this was a woman who was

1123
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:35,200
trying her best to make a good
situation out of being a victim

1124
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,040
and the ultimate victim.
From the beginning of her life.

1125
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,160
She was really trying to help
victims have a voice.

1126
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:50,160
And nobody's perfect, right?
But also this, any smear

1127
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,760
campaign campaigns that are
happening about her, like, you

1128
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,880
know, it's just like so
unnecessary.

1129
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,920
We're all flawed humans, right?
We're all.

1130
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,720
But let me just see in our
bizarre world.

1131
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,400
I I was just waiting for you to
come forward.

1132
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,880
I'm like, come on, tag, tag.
I'm trying to tag you in.

1133
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,240
Yeah.
In, in, in in our bizarre world,

1134
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:33,480
the the last three minutes of
your episode was a lot.

1135
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,480
I mean, the, the crash thing.
I like that.

1136
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:45,560
Just I the the number of
questions that started popping

1137
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,320
into my head are crazy.
Yes.

1138
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,120
Like it seems, I mean, I don't
know from what point in time to

1139
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,280
what point in time yesterday,
you know, what was happening

1140
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:09,520
obviously in in her head.
But I mean, there's a bigger

1141
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,280
story here.
Yeah.

1142
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,480
The, the behaviour, I mean, I, I
mean, I, I'm not a psychologist

1143
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:26,240
and I can't identify, you know,
what is what, but things just

1144
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,240
don't again and my bizarre
world, things are not adding up.

1145
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,480
No, I agree it's.
Very Cray.

1146
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,000
It's like a lot.
I know, I know.

1147
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,280
And like, I, I was like, I kept
on trying to think I'm like, how

1148
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,880
the hell do I even talk about
this?

1149
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,600
Because like literally I was, we
were talking about like, like

1150
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,640
the hobbies and the things that
we enjoy doing right now.

1151
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,840
And one of the things I like
doing is like cross stitching.

1152
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:51,760
And I was sitting on the couch
cross stitching and I look and I

1153
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:56,240
see she fucking died.
What the hell?

1154
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,480
She was like doing all this
advocacy work, doing all this

1155
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,360
stuff.
What is going on?

1156
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,600
The the statement that was
released from the family was a

1157
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,840
little bizarre.
And trauma can do that to

1158
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:09,520
people.
Sure.

1159
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,800
Like that was very, you know,
could be, it could have been

1160
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,680
really very sudden.
It could have been like really

1161
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,560
good.
Like, like who knows how people

1162
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:16,640
are going to deal in the
situation.

1163
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,040
I don't fucking know.
Who knows, right?

1164
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,880
And you then you have to release
like a public statement.

1165
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,320
I have no idea.
I have no clue.

1166
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,680
But the way all of this is
coming, is unfolding is very,

1167
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,840
very strange.
And by the way, the whole list

1168
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,560
has not been released.
The whole Epstein list that was

1169
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,920
supposed to be released, the
multiple people and presidents

1170
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,440
and blah, blah, blah have said
they're going to release has not

1171
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:46,480
been released.
They're still redacted

1172
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:51,000
information, still information
that is being fought to be kept

1173
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,040
secret.
There was a person who knew a

1174
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,600
lot of these mother fuckers
because they, she was incredibly

1175
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:03,680
tight with a lot of them and she
had all of a sudden chosen to

1176
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,840
end her life.
Which, by the way, that's never

1177
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,800
the answer.
Like it's never.

1178
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,600
No, it happens.
People think it's the.

1179
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,320
Answer yes, but like it's never
like like what I'm trying to say

1180
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:20,040
is like that like whole announce
public public service

1181
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,200
announcement at the beginning of
the the show was to say like,

1182
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,360
you know, like listener
discretion, but also, you know,

1183
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,160
that's not the answer.
However, could you say, oh, kind

1184
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,080
of makes sense.
And like this she had a hard

1185
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,960
life.
She had a really hard life.

1186
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,200
But then again, you get on the
bizarre train and you go, wait,

1187
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,080
there's something here.
What is happening?

1188
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,120
Of course, like divorce happens.
That'd be weird.

1189
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,720
Could you be losing your shit?
Yes.

1190
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,080
We all like we all have periods
where we're a train wreck.

1191
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,320
Like, I get it, you know, like I
completely get it.

1192
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,280
And the whole exaggeration of
the crash, that's fucking weird.

1193
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,680
It's.
So strange, it's so strange and

1194
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,000
like there there was supposed to
be like all this information on

1195
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,240
this whole list has never been
fully redacted.

1196
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,320
Like it's not been it's all been
There is information that has

1197
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,280
not been shared and is supposed
to be slowly coming out.

1198
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,880
This information is not coming
out.

1199
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,440
Why is it not not coming out?
Well, we have someone who could

1200
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,240
say everything potentially.
And then she says she's in a car

1201
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,320
accident.
Actually, never mind.

1202
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,920
She didn't almost die.
Oh, wait, the the hospital

1203
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,840
saying that she didn't like this
is all fishing.

1204
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,480
All of it's fishing.
And are there things where like,

1205
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:38,880
people could be under psychosis?
Sure, exactly. 100% but in a

1206
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,040
situation where this stinks to
high heaven.

1207
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,680
Yeah, exactly.
You have a situation that's just

1208
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,160
disgusting and then you put this
on top of it.

1209
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,960
It's just compounds, yes.
You have a you have a picture of

1210
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,640
a cross dressing president.
You have a picture like at the

1211
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,000
top of the stairwell.
Christ like who can think of

1212
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,440
this shit?
It reads like something like it

1213
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,000
reads like you and I are sitting
in like a fake pyramid with like

1214
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,280
crystals all around us and we
have like a tin foil hat on

1215
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,120
we're.
Like eating mushrooms and

1216
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,120
smoking pot.
Yeah, yeah.

1217
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,840
And and like, like only eating
like vegan, like plastic cheeses

1218
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,160
like that are fucking with our
brains.

1219
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,040
Yes, absolutely.
Oh my God.

1220
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,800
But it's insane.
But but one, one thing I really

1221
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,160
want to like put across is like,
Virginia was an incredibly brave

1222
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,960
woman.
She was the first one to step up

1223
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,400
and say this happened to me.
I do not want this to happen to

1224
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,080
anyone else.
This is a woman who has been

1225
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,120
helping out with cases, has been
also filing cases of her own and

1226
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,840
doing interviews.
A lot of these victims either

1227
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,480
don't have the the strength to
do it.

1228
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:56,600
They don't have the resources.
They they're unable to do it for

1229
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,400
whatever reason.
And Virginia really took one for

1230
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:05,640
the team and really became like
a, a symbol of strength of

1231
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,480
resistance of, of David and
Goliath.

1232
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,560
You know, she is really David.
She is fighting the bigger

1233
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:18,680
monster and trying to trying to
defeat it.

1234
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:24,480
And I think that it's important
that we remember Virginia as an

1235
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:30,520
advocate and as a strong person
who really fought for the

1236
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,680
victims in this crime and tried
the best that she could without

1237
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,040
a ton of great tools in her tool
belt.

1238
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,120
True.
So we'll have actually soar in

1239
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,040
our show notes below.
And also like, you know, as

1240
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,720
always, like suicide's enough
for the answer.

1241
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:55,120
There is we will have a a number
to call in our show notes and

1242
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,240
you can just type.
I think it's 988.

1243
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,880
Let me just double check that.
Yep, 988 if you're in the US, if

1244
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,360
you need to talk, that's a
lifeline and you can call it up,

1245
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,920
you can text it, you can chat on
their website,

1246
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,320
whichis988lifeline.org and talk
to someone.

1247
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:18,760
You're not alone.
And, and the world's much better

1248
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,280
with you in it.
And the world has been much

1249
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,640
better with Virginia in it.
So my my thoughts go out to her

1250
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,560
children and her family at this
time.

1251
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,960
So agreed.
Yep, cheers to you all and we'll

1252
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,520
talk soon.
Talk soon friends, bye bye.