The Woman Who Took Down a Billionaire

0:02 Today's episode contains potentially triggering material. Listener discretion is advised. Hello bizarre story friends. If you're tuned in now, you are listening to the bizarre AFA place where we talk about the strange, the unusual, the unknown, and all things bizarre AF. I am Alicia, your Hostess for today's episode, and as always, I ask that you keep an open mind, keep a skeptical ear, but keep on listening to the facts as we take you on our newest journey, The woman who took down a billionaire and royalty.

1:08 Well, ahoy, ahoy, Kevin, how are you, my darling? Hey, girlfriend. How are you? I am doing well. Good. Yeah, I'm great. I'm I'm eleven Spring. I know, I know. Tis the season. Things are blooming. It's in green. Gorge. It's gorge. It's like things are turning purple and pink and the OK. What is your favorite spring flower? I always forget the name of it. It's the one that looks like the little teacup, like from Willy Wonka. You know the flower. Are you talking about the daffodils? I think so. Shut the fuck up, those are my favorite.

1:49 Really. Oh my God. OK, OK, OK, OK. So it looks. Like a little tea cup, right? It does. It does. Like it has like a little. Yeah, like a little little saucer and cup. Oh wait a second, isn't that a? But it's like it's it's nose. No, you're thinking of a Snapdragon. No, I'm thinking of a daffodil. Daffodil. Yeah, You know, OK, I'll I. Need to I need to. I'm going to. Have to look it up. So one of my favorite movies is Alice in Wonderland. Go figure. Like, biggest surprise ever, right? It's the daffodil. No, wait. That's a daffodil. Is that a daffodil? That's the daffodil. That one, yeah, It that's I think that's it.

2:29 Yeah, yeah. It just looks like it's on its side. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I I would watch Alice in Wonderland all the time and it's still like my go to movie, but I love the song where the flowers sing and like the lazy daffodils on the hillside and they're just like, like they look really stupid and like and goofy and just it that is, that's a daffodil. Yeah, that's my favorite. OK, well. It's her favorite. Who knew? Who knew? Who knew that? Oh, my God. I mean, I would have been able to guess we were talking earlier today. We're like, yeah, it just feels right. It's just things just work out with us. Like it just makes sense.

3:14 So I'm, I'm pretty thankful for that. But yeah, yeah, today, you know what? I I'm happy that we're talking about the wait. Where how? Yeah. How does the flowers lead into this? Oh, cause of spring. Yeah, that's. Right, Spring when you're talking about spring, because this is going to be a little heavy topic, OK, one of those, Yeah, it's going to be one of those. That's why I was like, OK, Kevin, can you like do a little intro And yeah, give us a little warning because what we're going to talk about today has to do with abuse and minors and mental health as well as suicide. So if you struggle with any of those, we don't care to not. It's not worth it.

4:00 It's not worth it. But these are topics that are going to be coming up. So I just want to get you ready. I promise I'm I'll be as thorough and thoughtful with this as possible, but I thought I would just kind of go into it. OK, let's do it. Yeah. So today we're actually talking about a woman who has been on my list for a while, OK? She has. And by the way, let me just say, Alicia has a list. I have it's. Hundreds lists. Hundreds of ideas. Anytime like I'm talking to someone, they're like, yeah, I know you do this podcast. Like, have you looked into this? I'm like, no, let me look at it. It's worth it. I add it to the list.

4:43 It's a list. The list is like overwhelming. It's huge. I should probably like separate it and some friends of. Categorize it. Yeah, categorize it I. Was actually thinking about that. I'm like, just put it into AI and like have AI categorize it by topic and then we can just be like, I want to do something so. That's a great idea. Yeah. I need to use AI more. Jesus. We were talking about that before. Yeah, OK, Anyway, back to the topic at hand. This woman has been on my list and to be honest, I really haven't wanted to talk about the topic for a while and it's really because of all the research that I felt would be required for it.

5:23 But something happened last night. We are recording on Saturday, golly April 26th and 2025 and something happened and it as of last night it's not even 24 hours. But it became more apparent that her story is worth telling and even more necessary now than it was before. So I scrapped the whole idea that I had for the last podcast and moved on to this one. So I have another one that you know is just in the archives. Yeah, exactly. We know about that. The archives, yeah. Yeah, so, Epstein Island, Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, Prince Andrew.

6:13 What do you tell me what you know about it, Kevin? Or or you know you can, you can choose to like omit whatever information, but like like. What do I know? I'll tell you what I know. I'll tell you what I know. I know that Epstein killed himself in prison because he was arrested for being, I guess, technically a rapist. I guess would what? That would be molester, kidnapper, I don't know. But he would take people with women specifically and do terrible things, make them do terrible things. I would say under force pressure, young women, yes, I think is probably the key.

7:09 Young women is the key. And he ultimately gets caught, puts in jail. Right. And kills himself, although there are theories that maybe he didn't kill himself, maybe someone killed him, but that's a whole or maybe he's. Not actually debt, I mean. Yeah, we could go forever. We could definitely go for him, right? But he was just a not a good. He was a molester, I guess, ultimately. Yeah, yeah. Yep, he was a right. Now you know, we talk about the different vernacular and like the code names and code words that that people use.

7:51 For these folks, uh huh. So what is the word? Now it's called a PDF, a file. A PDF file. So like Adobe Acrobat? Adobe Acrobat. Uh huh. So. PDF file. So the person we're talking about, it's a PDF file. That's right. Got it. Yep. Yeah. So Jeffrey Epstein, you know, the question was, you know, what do you know? He's definitely a Adobe Acrobat user. APDF file and bold highlight piece of shit. Fuck him. Whatever happened, I hope happened. Whatever. Well deserved. Wait, so I just want to throw one thing at yes, for those that listen, 'cause I know that those that are listen, that don't listen necessarily watch social media. I just want to real quickly explain why we give people. Code.

8:46 Words. Yeah, and fake words. And fake words. Yes, and it's so we don't get blocked. Right. Yeah, yeah. So the way that things work is you have to really be careful. It is like straight out of 1984, like the George Orwell book, where you have to be very careful about what you say and how you say it. And if we use the full word. Which I said, which we won't put on social. Yes, we will not put it on any of the socials, but it will make it. We already like the topics that we cover. We tend to cover topics that we have to be like a little careful with. But something like this you really have to be careful with because it is hidden in search terms in in ways for people to find you if they're even if they're into this, like even if they're searching.

9:39 Problems. Yeah, if they're searching, yes. If they're into this information, they're either a fucking creep or there's someone like us who are like, this is like not great and we should be informed citizens. So yes, PDF file, you'll hear me continuing to reference this and it's really someone who, you know, prefers very, very young. PDF. Stuff. Yes. Yes, exactly. So I would love to spend time on talking shit about Jeffrey Epstein and like, what a piece of shit he was because good God, motherfuckers, he was. He was awful.

10:22 He was horrendous. But really we're talking about a woman here who took down royalty and even billionaires. And this person is a woman who really put a face to all the Jane Doe's who stepped forward and brought to our attention the the whole idea of Epstein Island and victims of of Epstein island themselves. So who we're talking about today is Virginia Goofri and she was born on August 9th, 1983 in Sacramento, CA and her family relocated to Southern Florida when she was just like 4 years old.

11:11 Unfortunately, she did not have an easy childhood and many while many children were just like busy playing games, hopscotch and like I don't know what you played like jacks or you know, red Rover, red Rover and like seriously hurt each other. You know, she was she was in a home that was not safe and, and a lot of like various difficult and by difficult, I mean, you know, I forget what the code word is for abusive situations, but she was in multiple at a young age.

11:52 She her parents actually divorced when she was young and she had a brother and she was kind of caught in the middle really between like divorced parents and do you go with mom, do you go with dad? Like that is that is a decision which you have divorced parents, right? Like did you have to make that decision? Did you feel like you had to or did you just have like? They made it so easy for me. God bless you, I I. They really did. It was. I remember the event. I remember the day they told me. I remember it distinctly. Everyone in the room was very upset. Well, three of us were very upset, but I was never it was never traumatic for me.

12:42 They never made it traumatic for me. They were like, we're going to be like normal human beings just yeah, like, like adults, adults. This is our child. We're going to be adults with our child. God bless that because a lot of people don't don't have that. Right. Exactly. And Virginia do free was like or go free was I always say do free, but it's go free. She did not have that. She was in and out of foster homes. They're like she was in various places, lived on the streets. And actually, she told Virginia, told the Miami Herald that she went from being, quote, in an abusive situation to being a runaway to living in foster homes.

13:27 So she lived on the streets when she was 14 years old and she actually said that she, quote, found only hunger and pain and more abuse when she lived on the streets. So eventually that was when she was living with her father and and she'd actually been abused by a family member at a very young age when she was living with her mother. Oh. God. Yeah. So once again, it's like, you know, you're kind of screwed from the beginning. Like if those if these things are happening to you as a kid, it's like good luck in these formative years.

14:08 Like trying to. Yeah, it really is a challenge to. And people that can rise above it, it's just like, Amen to you, like. Absolutely. Good for you sister cuz I mean 9 times out of 10 you're a product of your environment and if you can't it's hard to get yourself out of that. And people that do, I just admire so much. But. It takes a lot of strength, a lot of inner strength and a lot of determination. And, you know, if you had gone through that, you know, we're sending our our love out to you. A lot of people did not have easy childhoods. And if you are making that decision to to rise above it. You know, good for you.

14:51 Yeah, and if you are not and you're trying to figure it out, just go to therapy, get help. Like there are there are hotlines, there are things we will be talking about them later on today. But there are programs like just do it anyway. That's not to say it's not difficult 'cause it is. So when she moves in with her her dad at 14, she her father actually had worked at as a maintenance manager at the Mar a Lago property. Oh my God. Owned by Donald Trump, right? And her dad helped her get a job there. OK. So. And was her dad her dad abusive? No. Well, not that we know of. She never said that.

15:33 She, you know, she felt safe enough to go to him when she went to him. OK, but she was like living on the street anyways. Don't know. I don't know the answer to that. So, you know, she, she had a very difficult chat. I thought the the, the whole, the books are everything's stacked against her, right. But she's trying her hardest to, you know, become a better person to, to rise above it. And she's living with her dad and, and she decides to make her name for herself. So she's like, OK, I'm going to just help out doing maintenance stuff with my with my dad. And this is something we hear about all the time. You know, just like predators and the animal Kingdom, they often find the weakest victim, right? The one that seems like they're like, they might have a lame leg or they might not all be there or they might be a little broken, like spiritual, spiritually, mentally, physically, whatever.

16:33 But ultimately the idea is that they're easily easier to manipulate or take advantage of. And unfortunately, at 14 years old, Virginia fits this bill for a predatory animal. And that's, I guess that's, that's a great way to put them. They are fucking animals. So I said before she had, she had been taken advantage of. And by taken advantage of, I mean a child situation with that begins with the letter M at 7 by a family friend. She ends up running away between 12 and 14. You know, she spends nights on the streets. She like she's in foster care.

17:18 And in 1997, at age 14, she actually, that's when she moves in with her dad. So then when she's, you know, her dad's trying to get her a job, she eventually ends up landing an, an attendant attendant job at Mar a Lago for like a spa. So I don't know if you know, if you guys have been to a spa like you have like people who are passing out towels who might be and I don't know, Mar a Lago is supposed to be huge, right? This is like a resort, I think, isn't it? And there's like a golf and. Yeah. Like hotel and stuff.

17:59 I think I feel like it's like like a resort club, golfing hotel place. Gaudy as fuck. I would never step into that place, but whatever. I'm sure it's like ridiculous. Anyways, if you're a poor kid who lived lived in the streets, well sure, that looks like a great spot to work. Of course. So she actually, so she was working as a spa attendant in mid 2000 at Donald Trump's private Mar a Lago club. So it is a club and she was actually just like reading a book about massage therapy as she was working there, right. So Glenn Maxwell, who was? The accomplice.

18:39 Yes, of Jeffrey Epstein, She was at that time getting a spa service and she was a British socialite who who was the daughter of a late media tycoon, which is Robert Maxwell. She was working, Glenn Maxwell was working for Epstein and and Galen was working as a traveling masseuse. If you are listening right now, huge. Huge. Air quotes. Air quotes traveling masseuse right in between the lines. So, so she or, or she was like working for and, and she, she's like, hey, hey, oh, you're like 14.

19:21 You want to earn some extra money and she's talking to Virginia. She was the fisherman for Jeffrey. 100% yeah, a fisherman who is trying to find really big or perceived to be pretty or I guess pretty small teeny tiny little girl fish, right? So she is the one who comes in from position of trust because why would another woman not trust? Why would a girl not trust another older woman, right. So Galain offers, you know, Virginia this job and Virginia's like, well, shit. And like, hey, I don't know anything about, I'm just reading this book and Virginia's like, I don't know anything about it.

20:05 And what Galain's like, no, like honestly, don't worry about it. I can teach you. It's super easy. We'll figure it out. So you don't have to have experience. I'll be there the whole I will be there the whole time. You can trust me. I'm a woman who's been at the spa. You know me. I'll be there. Nothing bad will happen to you, right? Fisherman was trying to find the fish. So when she when Virginia had arrived at at Epstein's Palm Beach home, she says that he was actually laying naked lot like face down. And Maxwell was kind of telling her, OK, this is how you like massage him.

20:51 Which one? You're 14 years old. OK, this like old gross guy is like sitting there trying to like waiting and and he's rich. He's rich. You used you were living on the streets like what? Not even a year ago, you were just living on the streets and you're in this opulent home and you're like, Oh my God, I wonder how much money I'm going to make. Exactly. You're you're not thinking about. It that's why you're. There, yeah, you're thinking about trying to. Survive. Yeah, yeah. And trying to like like from her perspective, it's like I just got back from off the streets and like, maybe she wanted to buy you're for you're you're a teenager like you. There are so many things you could be buying with money, right? Of course.

21:32 And who knows what the situation anyways. You have no life experience, by the way, at 14. Yes, 00 life experience. So. So Max was like showing him, OK, this is how you like massage him or whatever, this is how you do it. So Virginia was then quoted later to say, you know, they seemed like really nice people. So I trusted them, and I told them that I had a really hard life up until this moment, you know? Yeah. So their radar goes off. Their radar goes off and like their magnets, like God, like, hey, Oh my God, like what? What can we do? Like this is great. This is our perfect victim. Easy, throw the chum in the water. Yes, the sharks are circling.

22:14 Exactly, exactly. So like, oh, you say you had a hard life. Tell us more. And and so she so she said that she had actually been a runaway and she told them that she had been sexually abused and physically abused and was, and ultimately, like she recalls later, that was like one of the worst things that she could, could have said to them. Of course, they already sussed, they kind of already sussed that out. And that's what. But that wasn't where. Her brain was so, no, of course not. You're 14. You think you can trust these people? They're going to give you money. They seemed nice. They, they weren't weirdos. They weren't killing you like they could have.

22:56 And they and they chose not to. So ultimately what ended up happening was after Virginia had been introduced to Jeffrey Epstein, the two of them, Glenn Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein had begun grooming her. And grooming is ultimately about like, mental and emotional control. Yeah, Yeah. You're trying to curb someone's behavior to be beneficial for you. And as a 14 year old, your brain's still forming like all the, all the neurons, all the chemicals and stuff, They're not there. They're not.

23:38 They're still like, you're still going through puberty. You're still trying to figure out like, you know, life. So these connections are still being formed. You have people who are then trying to take advantage of that, take advantage of the traumatic situations you've been in, take advantage of the fact that your brain is literally like extreme because you're going through puberty and your body's changing. So they begin grooming her to provide sexual services under the idea that, well, she's just a massage therapist, right? This is normal. This is what like all massage therapists do, right? Exactly. They give her some money at 1st and so then and so she's taking. Normalize it.

24:21 Just try to normalize it. Exactly. Wait, what's the big deal? Why are you making a big deal out of it? Yep. And what is the first thing that you think when someone's like God, you're making a really big deal out of this. Yeah, you don't want to feel like a fool. Yeah, and you look around, you're like. Am I being, does everyone think that? Yeah, yeah. So 14 year old Ferischer is doing that. So between 2000 and 2002, she actually was closely associated with with Glenn Maxwell and then Jeffrey Epstein. And she was travelling between Epstein's residences in Palm Beach and in Manhattan. So he had two, he had at least two homes that she knew of that she was regularly being ferried between.

25:02 And he would also pay for her to go to a place called Zorro Ranch in New Mexico. And a private little island that we've all heard about, Epstein Island is actually little St. James James Island. So Goofri like ends up coming out and she says that her experiences of being trafficked by Epstein was really through like massage and massages and sexual services for not just him, but also a number of his business associates, right. So, and that's over that 2 1/2 year period. One would think it would be a lot longer, but it was not. It was only 2 1/2 years.

25:46 So she said that that she actually was passed around like a platter of fruit to all of his powerful associates and then taken around the world on private jets. I mean, this is a girl who's living on the streets. Like we said, she had had a really rough childhood. She couldn't trust anyone. And then these people are like, Oh my God, you're so special. And so then she tries to a 14 year old tries to justify, right, And you justify. Oh well, look at the life I'm living. Oh well, this isn't and then normalizing it and it. Might be a little weird, but whatever, I'll deal with it because these are the people who have treated me the best. Yes, I feel like this is strange and maybe I shouldn't be doing it, but you kind of turn off that like red.

26:30 Flag. Yes, exactly. Compartmentalize it? Yep. Totally. So she so she was taking around to the world. She was on private jets. It wasn't just like, Oh my God, it's first class. It's like you're on a tiny jet going and you know, you can do whatever the hell you want given all the food like peanut, peanut, what peanuts are nowhere. You are eating like, you know, I don't know, I like sushi, like sushi. You're eating sushi on the plane and like you have whatever it is that you don't have to worry about checking into security. So and that is like the champagne lifestyle that she's receiving and trust me, we love champagne lifestyle. Just like no certain I I don't need to be as adults, we do not need to be doing services.

27:17 And that's just it. And you talk yourself into it, like she was living on the street, had a terrible childhood, horrible. And now she gets this 1% lifestyle. You talk yourself into it. Well, that and like you're also like wait a second, like like I said before, it's like you everyone's acting like this is normal and I see these high profile people who are incredibly rich and I've. Seen. Them before so it's like I know who these. And they're doing it, and then they're not participating in it. This just must be what normal is and I've never understood because I was just a kid right? And now I'm an adult.

27:57 Well, I'm sorry but 14 is not a fucking adult. So actually there's a very specific and very famous instance of her time with Epstein and Maxwell, and this was in March of 2001, where she was, I'm saying this with air quotes, allegedly, allegedly traffic to Prince Andrew of the British royal family. And why do you have to allegedly do this? Because it's the royal family and because nothing's been proven, proven in a court of law, even though let's just say this, he's a weirdo and people have worked for him, think he's a weirdo.

28:45 He's just a he's a weirdo and he's an asshole. And there is photographic proof that you can find of her during this time meeting him. I'm going to say more about this, but I'm just going to stop there. I'm going to stop there because I'm, I'm going to go off in a way that's going to not allow us to be listened to anywhere. Anyway. She actually said that she was trafficked by Prince Andrew. And she had stated in an interview that it was a wicked and really scary time in her life and that she couldn't comprehend how in the highest level of government, powerful people were allowing this to happen. It's because money rules, girl.

29:34 She's 14, she doesn't know this. Right, she doesn't know this. None of us know this. Doesn't make any sense. But it's not and it's, and it's not just like the people who are in the highest levels of government are allowing this. It's they're also participating in it. That is the huge distinction. It's not just allowing, it's they are. Participants. Yes, there is a painting in or there was a painting in Jeffrey Epstein's Miami home. Oh great. Or South Beach home and it it says. Or it's a a painting of Bill Clinton in a women's dress. A women's dress. OK. Dressed, you know, cross dressing.

30:16 OK, a painting of Bill Clinton cross. Dressing and he has friends with Bill Clinton. Why do you have a painting of that in like your like like stairwell? Yeah. And who does? Yeah. Why? I have so many questions. Yeah, me too. Why is he consistently on flights at like seen in the flight logs with Epstein? Why is the current president also seen a multiple photos flights on personal like private jets with Epstein? Why did Virginia do free or go free like meet initially?

31:03 Glenn Maxwell at Mar a Lago. She's saying it in this quote that we, you know, that we just went over that, that I, I couldn't comprehend how the highest level of the government's like powerful people were allowing this to happen and not just allowing, but participating in it. So we're talking about Prince Andrew. And after visiting a nightclub, Virginia says that Maxwell told her that she had to do for Andrew what she did for Jeffrey. OK, OK. Yes. So that's her. Yeah, OK.

31:45 Never mind. Go ahead. So in court documents from a civil suit that actually were were released from being sealed in 2019, because remember, this has been going on for a very long time, she actually was. Virginia had named several others that she claimed Maxwell had, and Epstein had instructed her to participate in lurid acts. Right, because she has already said she'd been passing around like a fruit platter. Right. She was a fruit platter. And it wasn't just a fruit platter that was just massaging people. It was a fruit platter that had things put in and then out of the fruit platter was not just one person. You it doesn't matter.

32:30 It was wrong. No matter what, the fruit platter was being taken and taken advantage of. And so she said that she actually had named these people in 2019 and these documents were unsealed. And she said that some of the people were hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, attorney Alan Dershowitz, politician Bill Richardson, the late MIT scientist Marvin Minsky, lawyer George J Mitchell and MC2 modelling agent Jean Luc Brunel.

33:11 Of course, all of these men deny allegations. So in September of 2002. And by the way, this stuff is still going on. These documents are still sealed. There are still pieces of information that are coming out that Virginia has helped Jane Doe, who do not want to be mentioned, has helped provide information for them with their cases. So in September 2002, at 19, she actually flew to Thailand and attended the International training Massage School, which of course, of course there's just like massage.

33:55 And and she like Glenn Maxwell actually had of course, paid for the tickets to and from Thailand and told her to meet with this very specific girl in Thailand to bring and to bring her back to the United States for Jeffrey Epstein. She's like, OK, you're going to go to this like massage school A. Recruit another one. Yeah. So while she was there in 2002 and remember like she had started, let me see, she had started the association with Epstein in 2000. So it's like 2 years later, right?

34:36 The after she had first met them. So she was at massage school in Thailand in 2002. She meets this guy, Robert Guffrey. He's an Australian martial arts trainer and they actually had married shortly after. They got along really well. She thought he was cute, whatever, but also probably saw protection in an escape and felt safe with him. So she and her husband had actually started a life in a family in Australia, and Guffrey broke off all contact with Epstein and with Glenn Maxwell. So for five years, her and her husband built a family, had a quiet life in Australia and just spent time with their young kids, right.

35:29 She said goodbye to that whole lifestyle. The champagne, you know, private jet life did not make her feel good. And she's like, I found a man I like and I wanted to just live life with him. So in March, actually of 2005, she was still, you know, in Australia. And she was contacted by the Palm Beach Like Police Department and they began investigating after a 14 year old girl and her parents reported Jeffrey Epstein's behavior. Now this you guys may have like heard of of this. And I remember seeing it. It's like, Oh my God, Jeffrey Epstein came out. By the way, there was all this information in Miami or Palm Beach that said that he was actually doing this to many girls and like the police knew about it and it had been kind of pushed under the rug.

36:16 Yes. So the girls had actually, or the girl had actually described being recruited by another female classmate. This is how these things happen. Like when we're talking about green, yellow and red traffic signs. And by traffic signs, I mean not signs, but Ed. So the signs replace that with an Ed it that's what we're talking about is yeah, traffic, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it's not. It does not happen from like a weirdo like guy with a, you know, a coat on or a right French coat on with like a hey, I wanna put.

36:58 You in the back of my van? Yeah. You, you like these, these, these watches, they're all real Rolexes. I promise. You know, that's not what they're saying. It's, it's always someone that you can trust. It's a woman that you can trust. It is a friend that you know, it's a girl that you like or a boy that you go to school with and that you guys are friends and those are the, or a boyfriend or a family. Like, that's how these stoplight situations dealing with traffic happen. So the girl described being recruited by that female classmate from a high school to give, what, a massage again, to Jeffrey Epstein at his mansion in exchange for cash.

37:43 What teenager's not going to do that? I mean, go to what? I have to, like, rub down like a weirdo. That's fine. I'm just doing, you know, this. I'm not going to be a good massage, you know? So she ends up telling her parents though. She told her parents in Palm Beach and and she was like, hey, they had told me to come here. A friend of mine told told me it's totally safe. I go there and he gives me money and he had This is so hard with like the code words. It's like celested. Celestial. Celestialed but instead of the celestial it's like an M and it's a celested where he did that to her. So she goes and gives gives the massage. He ends up selesting her and and gets money and she tells her parents and so in October well.

38:41 Thank God she tells her parents though. Thank God, but get get this, in October of 2005, there was a growing list because these the police officers are like, something's going on here. Finally, they're like, yeah. And this would be going been going on for at least for at least five years that we know that. Pisses me off, you know, because it's because people like that who have money and power and know the police, which is always the case because powerful people know powerful people. Right. And they all try to cover. Each other and they cover each other's asses. They have no scruples. They have no.

39:24 No. They don't care about normal people. They don't. Have so then it's not until there's 500 cases of them or people actually start raising a stink where they go, hey, maybe this isn't MM hmm, gross. It's so gross. And and often times you hear, Oh my God, like, OK, Bill Cosby is a great example. It's like, oh, he was doing this for a while and I actually had actually. He was a family man, he had a great TV show, everybody loved him. How could he possibly be doing this? He's so funny, so wholesome. He sells jello. He's on Candid Camera with children and like. He's not doing that. Yeah, or like whatever, like children show. It's like, you've got to be kidding me.

40:06 I had actually heard this from a past Co worker. She was like, he's a really bad man and he does really bad things. And I just thought she was being racist. And now I'm like, oh fuck, she was right. She was right exactly. And I was like, you're just being racist. Which I think she was a little more racist, but like also, which is not OK, duh. But that's why I was like, you are incredibly judgmental and you're very racist because you don't like Bill Cosby. Little did you know. Can we please like cut that out and use that as a fucking Oh my God, you're racist because you don't like Bill Cosby in 2010 is when I said I were like right before I'd come out.

40:48 I remember just like eating my fucking words after that. And like, she was, I guess she was right a lot of things she wasn't right when I was like, anyways, so you know, you have all these girls who come forward and they actually like the Miami or the South Beach police are, and Miami Herald are getting involved and all this information is coming out and they're like, holy shit. Like there is something here. Everyone's corroborating this information. The, the, the list is getting, is getting bigger in October 2025. And they're, it's always the same story. It's always the he said I, I was told by my my school mate, like my, you know, a girl in my class, Hey, you want to earn some extra money?

41:34 And it was always the kids who lived in fucking, you know, trailer parks and like had broken homes. You want to come over or add some extra money, cool, Just go and like rub this guy, this old man's body. Super easy money. You don't have to go there for very long. So these girls go and then and there's a growing list and they're coming out and there are statements from Epstein's butlers from corroborating these girls claims. And there is then a search warrant that is performed at his property in 2005 in Palm Beach. So the police are saying, OK, there's a pattern here. All these girls are like connecting with each other. Epstein's asking to massage him then that or excuse me, asking for them to massage him. Maxwell Galene Maxwell is getting involved as like the Fisher fish spot.

42:27 Fisherman. Yeah, the fisherman and he is then choosing when they're in a vulnerable, vulnerable position, like rubbing his like weird ass fucking old body. He starts assaulting them, right? Like during the massage, so they're looking through his trash because they have all these people's like information. They have the butlers like all of this, you know, information's mounting. They go through his trash and they find that there are notes with telephone numbers of and girls names associated with them. And one of the girls was actually called by Epstein's assistant while being questioned by the police. So the police are quite literally going through his trash in the headquarters or whatever, wherever they go through trash and call her up and say, hey, this is detective whatever. While she's on the phone with them, Epstein, Epstein's assistant, is calling to set up a fucking massage. OK.

43:25 Now, this is not something that like, you know, it's not something that's like been months or years later. It's like this is happening in real time. So it's like, it's so pervasive. So Guffrey actually had relayed to the Miami Herald that she had received a series of phone calls, just one right after another over three days in 2007. And the first call was from Maxwell and then the next day from Epstein. And both of them had actually asked if she had spoken to any authorities. Hey, have you spoken to the police? Have you talked to anyone? She's like, what are you talking about? Like, no, I'm, I'm in like, I'm with a husband. That's super weird. So then she gets another call after Epstein and Maxwell contact her from the FBI this time.

44:13 And the FBI says that Virginia had been identified as a victim during the first criminal case against him. So she actually at first did not talk to the FBI. She's like, I just want to leave this in the past. I don't want to deal with it. But then she was approached again in prison, or, excuse me, in prison, in person. And this time it was by the 'cause she's living in Australia. Remember, she got married in Thailand. She has a family. FBI calls her, she's like, I'm not going to deal with this. And then she's approached by the Australian, you know, Police Department, and they're like, hey, so there's like a bigger story here. This is what's going on. The FBI told us. And so she then confirms and, of course, feels for all of these victims.

44:59 They tell her all about what's happening. You know, the Australian Police Department. She's like, oh, my God, I have kids now. I see how he's being taken advantage of. I have enough, I guess, space from it. I can't let these little girls who are being taken advantage of, like continue to get tainted advantage of. And so she provides photos, she provides records and witnesses who know Epstein, Maxwell worked for them, Butler's, etcetera, actually confirm huge swaths of Virginia's information about her time with Epstein. And remember, there are photos, there are records. She was a teenager who had like a camera. And so she has a picture with fucking Prince Andrew that came out and that later, later comes out like during the legal proceedings and stuff.

45:53 And people are like, there's no way. But she's like, Oh yeah, you want to fucking bet? Like here's a picture of of Andrew, Prince Andrew with his arm around my waist. I'm 15 or 14 years old. He had a daughter around that same age or maybe younger. How fucking gross is that? And OK, I don't know about you. The British royal family are super like handsy, huggy kind people who just look so warm and affectionate. Fuck no they don't. They all have like, whatever I like, whatever they're, they are what they are. But like, they do not look like they're warm or good at giving hugs, OK? Like, let alone putting a fucking arm around a 14 year old's waist.

46:41 That's weird. Do you know who you reminded me of when you said that was a Lexus from? Oh my God, don't say shit's crazy, Yeah. I mean, you're super warm and. Do you know how many times I have fucking had people tell me that I am like Alexis and I say things like her? I'm like, bitch, I have fucking I have. That has been me from day one. Alexis happened after you. Guess what my partner's name is? Oh my God. Right. You shut up, Devad David. Oh my God, Devad. I had no idea. I didn't watch it and I was like David and one of my friends were like, Oh my God.

47:21 Alicia, have you seen Shits Creek? I'm like, no, what are you talking about? No, I can't get past it. Have you seen? Yes, I've seen it. It. I've been with Dave since 2008. Shits Creek came out later. Yeah, they wrote it after you. Whatever, but like, honestly, fuck the fucking sorry the British people. No, no, you digress. We needed a break, OK? We definitely did. So this is some dark stuff. Ultimately, she has proof. And it's not just here's the thing. There's not just photographic proof that she had provided. There are also like boats and like pictures taken of Prince Andrew during that time.

48:02 They went to a club. OK. And one thing that like Virginia kept on saying she was like, he's really sweaty and he, he had me do like weird things with this fucking like puppet that he owned of him. There was like some weird stuff that he was and she's like, why would she make that up? That's exactly the thought I was thinking like there's you don't make that up. Come to find out there was a puppet of him that he had actually purchased at auction that he had like the sick sucked up. Like these people are so boring in their lives and have no like affection that they need to. It's so gross. I'm sorry you have 0 like that's not very creative. You're so gross.

48:46 You're a you're a Prince who needs to pay like your friend, like who is in, you know, spotlight bread, light traffic stuff to have like a 14 year old have anything to do with you. Like you're so disgusting. Anyway, so he is seen one on this picture. Oh, that could be, you know, digitally like yes, we are responding from the from the British. I don't know what is it Kensington Palace. And we're saying that actually this, this is this is false. Oh, by the way, they're a paparazzi because those mother fuckers are everywhere.

49:28 They end up finding out that, oh, they see her and him and he's sweating. He goes on to like ABC or like one of those like prime time shows you. Remember that does an interview. He does an interview, and one of the things that Virginia Dufrey said or Gufrey says is, yeah, he sweated a lot and was like, really gross. One of his alibis was, yeah, it's like a really weird thing. Like as the royal family, we just like don't sweat. It's like super weird. I'm like not a sweater. It's actually like a, a, a medical problem. This mother fucker is, I'm sure he had all the Botox in his face ever. And he was wearing like like all like, you know, long sleeves. So you couldn't see any.

50:12 Like he had his earlobes like fucking, you know, Botox down. So there was no sweat. But he was like, no, no, I'm going to counter that. And so these pictures that you saw at Vanity Fair or whatever, like paparazzo like photos, you know, that she that's I don't know who was behind me, but it wasn't her. Meanwhile, there's a picture of her that she provided that has the exact same fucking outfit. And she's also around people like Naomi Campbell, which OK, people you want to watch out like what? Like look out for that. Our a friend of the pod, Shannon at fluently forward. She has some great Jeffrey Epstein stuff if you want to like dive deeper. Anyway, these are pieces of shit people.

50:54 What I really wanted to talk about is the fact that she provided physical proof for the police, for the court system to say these people were the people who were involved. I was here for multiple years and I have evidence for them. So there are multiple criminal cases against Epstein. And ultimately they, it helped the the Palm Beach. Remember, there's all these kids who are coming forward and they're like, OK, we are trying to gather up, but this guy has money. And so we really need to make sure that we have an airtight case or else he's going to his lawyers are just going to come after us. So in 2006, actually a year before Virginia was contacted by authorities, they continue to have all this evidence.

51:39 They signed probable probable cause affidavits with multiple counts of unlawful acts with a minor for Epstein, right? And he, like I said, hires all these powerful lawyers and including by the way, Alan Dershowitz, who OK, my friend. He was also on the island also quoted as being one of these weirdos who is a likes Adobe Acrobat and PDF files and is a creep and a half anyway, So there as the case is, is progressing, you have the chief of police who's like here in South, he's like, oh, these are like huge lawyers.

52:24 These are criminal defense lawyers. These are lawyers who like make gazillions of dollars. I don't know how we're going to deal with this and especially against like state prosecutors, like, what the hell are they going to do? You know what I mean? Anyways, on May 20, 2020, on May 1st, 2006, the guy, the police chief was asked to be removed because he was getting a little bit too freaked the fuck out and was like, how, how can I, how can I do this? Like how can I, how am I supposed to like go up against all these people? It's like, well, you're the chief of police, you need to fucking figure it out. OK, so there was a lead police detective who asserted that the state prosecutors were at first super easier, like eager to pursue like legal action.

53:19 All these girls are coming forward. All this stuff is happening and and that's this powerful man. Let's protect them like as people, as adults, we need to protect our children and these kids. And like, that's, that's our our place. But then everything took a a turn when Alan Dershowitz got involved and said, hey, I'm the lead lawyer on this. And they decided to actually take the unusual action of turning the information over to a grand jury and presented testimony, testimony of only one girl. Now, remember, there were so many girls, they were bringing information out of his like trash can.

54:02 Like they only pulled forward one girl's testimony and then they eventually described that the tactics, the tactic of Epstein's lawyers as a year long assault on the prosecution and prosecutors. They eventually agreed to sign a controversial non prosecution agreement in 2008, which was done without informing the victim. So all these victims who came from no means we're told or or didn't even know that the the case was over and they had this guy like sign a document and he could not be charged for it. Like talk about corruption. Right.

54:44 Terrible. Yeah. So ultimately there was a lawsuit in 2008 and it was, it was one of the Jane Does against the United States of a, of a, of America that was filed by two lawyers that accused that the US Justice Department was violating the Crime of Victim Victims Act, right. During the first criminal case that we were just talking about against Epstein by failing to allow several of his victims to challenge his plea deal. So then what does Epstein do? OK, fine. You want to try to do that? Here's money. I'm going to sue you, motherfucker. So Epstein decides to sue him and and I mean, what are you supposed to do? Like this guy can throw as much money at it because he's not only covering his own ass, he's covering everyone else's. And Gufri is like finding all this stuff out. And her greatest wish was to pursue the larger objective of having all of their allegations heard in a federal court in order to overturn the non prosecution agreement. So she knows about this and this guy who's like, working with or is trying to say like the, you know, the United States government's anonymous, he's like, hey, look, this is what happened in Florida.

56:01 And she's like, are you fucking kidding me? What do I need to do to make sure that everyone can be heard? And there was a victims suit that was actually filed in May of 2009. Virginia, our girl filed A lawsuit as Jane Doe number one, O 2, Jane doe #1O22. My friends, like it's not Jane Doe one or two or two or 50 or 70 or, you know, 11O2 OK. She files it against Epstein and accuses Maxwell of recruiting her to a life of beings.

56:43 Actually, actually, what do they say? Stoplighted, stoplighted affect. I know it's so fucking stupid, but it's like it does it's. So hard to say. Yeah, but you guys know what I'm talking about. PDF files. So while she was a minor, by late 2009, dozens of Epstein's victims had filed as lawsuits against him, and all of the suits were settled for undisclosed amounts. Which what? What do you think? You think all these girls who like they're choosing are coming from money? No, no, they choose poor girls, like literally financially, you know, dependent girls who are, who need money, they need money.

57:30 So here I'm going to pay you off as an adult so you do not file anything against me. So in January of 2022, unsealed documents revealed that the settlement amount in the 2009 case, which was the Jane Doe One O 2 versus Jeffrey Epstein, that amount that was paid was $500,000 which in. $500,000 To who? To one person. To Jane doe #2 to. Number one O 2. One, excuse me, one O 2, which is our girl Virginia. And that was $500,000 and the equivalent of that was 733,000 dollars in 2004. And there was other specify unspecified valuable, valuable consideration.

58:17 So it's like, OK, she at least got $700,000 out of this and then more shit. And so people are like, Oh well, she was paid off too. But she actually credited the the birth of her baby in January of 2010 as the date that she decided to come forward to publicly begin speaking out about her experiences of of PDF files and having to sit at red lights despite the risks. And actually her store was first publicized in two March of 2011, of course, in the mail, which is a British newspaper. And the coverage actually included that photo of Prince Andrew with his arm around around Virginia at Maxwell's house, which was very, very strange. I cannot say how strange this is. This isn't these are not like, you know, people who typically touch each.

59:24 Other. They don't bump literal uglies because they are literally disgusting. So the FBI agents once again reach out to her and we're like, hey, we saw this. You want to like come and talk to us. And so then she was at the US Consulate and does come forward as outside of Jane Doe One O 2. So in December she starts setting up the framework of her organization called the Victims Refuse Silence Organization. It was registered as a 5O1C3 nonprofit in 20/20/15 and the objective was to of of the Victims.

1:00:05 Refuse Silence organization is to help survivors surmount the shame, silence and intimidation typically experienced by victims of. Sexual abuse and to try to help others to escape becoming victims of. PDF stuff. Yeah, yes. And other stuff. And other stuff where you sit at lights and stuff like that. So for her organization, she used an imagery of a blue butterfly to symbolize the transformation and empowerment that occurs when someone is a survivor. And it's also the the National international colour for people who are being rafficked.

1:00:52 Graphics. Graphic graphic. So just an FYI, Human Rafficking awareness month is January 11th and it's also listed as National Wear Blue day. And her charity had started and then kind of like faltered. She's been helping out a lot with a lot of these cases. And but it was relaunched in 2021 under the name Speak out act reclaim, which is sore Speak out act Reclaim. So we we were talking about Prince Andrew. Eventually she receives a settle settlement. And I told you before he was like on like CBS or some kind of thing saying that wasn't me. And like, I don't sweat what a fucking idiot she actually had. She alleged that Epstein had had paid her $15,000 after she had had Mex Bex Tex only with an S with him in London. And and that picture was widely circulated and has been widely circulated.

1:02:04 We've probably all seen it since 2011. And ultimately now Prince Andrew, I don't know if you know this, but he has is no longer doing any royal duties. Did you know that? I don't think I did necessarily, no. Yeah, he is divorced, which whatever, you know, majority of people are divorced. But he has two daughters who are not much younger than Virginia Goofri. Not much younger. It's really, I think they're about my age, like and I think Virginia Goofri is like 4 years older than me, five years older than me. Like.

1:02:44 So really makes you sit there and be super disgusted. So he in 2015, spokespeople for the British royal family stated that any suggestion, excuse me, any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue and just continue to like repeat denials. So anytime people would answer, oh, what do you think about Prince Andrew or now Duke Andrew, whatever the fuck his name is, they're not going to say anything because there was some kind of settlement reached.

1:03:24 Ultimately, she's then files a civil lawsuit. Which girl, get your bag. This is a guy is a fucking creep over several. It wasn't just one. They only talked about one. There were several encounters with him and when she was 16 and 17. And of course he denies it. On February 15th, 2022, both parties reached an out of court settlement, which included the Prince making a substantial donation to her own charity Sore. So ultimately people have come out and tried to make her seem like she didn't know what the fuck she was talking about or, you know, fuck with her character, one being ex-boyfriend saying that she's she said that like the ex-boyfriend said that.

1:04:17 Oh, yeah, I've met like, Epstein. And she said something about, you know, his friend who was a royalty or whatever, but she was really nervous when she was in London and didn't know how to act. I don't know what exactly happened. Do you know any girls? And then also, like, he said that his sister was asked to find victims for Epstein. So like this is just like continuing to the cycle. So ultimately, you know, Glenn Maxwell while serving, which is the fisherman. We know what happened to Jeffrey and Epstein, like you said said before at the top of the episode, he was maybe died by his own choice.

1:05:04 But Glenn Maxwell is still serving her prison sentence and had actually said, had said and stated in several interviews that she believed the photograph showing her together with Andrew and Virginia. So both those people together, she thought that it was fake. Of course she's going to say that, right? Yeah. It's like. Whatever. She's such an idiot. So let me just state this, Virginia grew fruit was not only just trying to get of course she's going to get money for herself. Like fuck like she as she should as she should. This is probably something she spent way more money on in therapy and like issues every single day.

1:05:47 And as we'll learn in a very short bit that she paid the ultimate price for it. But she was being bullied by lawyers. All of us have heard of Dershowitz. Who is that lawyer? Alan Dershowitz? We've all heard that fucking name, and he was. These people were incredibly powerful. She was constantly being bullied by these powerful people who are incredibly rich, and she was the first Jane Doe to step forward and put a name and a face to the allegations made against all of these incredibly powerful people. The amount of bravery that takes is insane. And I cannot imagine the amount of, of stuff that she was getting from these lawyers.

1:06:42 You know, I could not imagine it. Anyway, she said that she was not going to continue to be bullied back into silence and she was always going to step forward. Now she then sues Alan Dershowitz. And of course, this is just everything's going back and forth. A lot of court claims. What I'm trying to to tell you is ultimately she was being harassed. This woman was being harassed in the court systems, I'm sure. I mean, we talk about like being bullied online, but it's like I'm sure through that she had just children. Her children were probably being affected. Like everything in this was was being affected. And currently she is have issue. Well, currently she was helping out with other cases of these Jane Does.

1:07:29 She was providing evidence, providing information that she could being a witness for these these women who were as children being abused and enemy number one for all of these powerful people. Now her and her husband had separated in early of this year and of course a lot of issues she was having a lot of issues with her health. On March 31st, 2025 this year, she said claimed that her car had collided with a bus travelling at 70 mph and it resulted in her going into renal failure and she said that she had been given four days to live.

1:08:15 They later announced like excuse me, the WA Police Force had later announced that they had records of a minor crash, crash between her and that there were her and a bus and there was no like injuries that were actually reported. Her family later said in a police statement that the police report had been filed following the accident and that Virginia, who was banged up and bruised, was taken to the hospital and her condition had deteriorated. At the same time, she was accused of breaching a family violence restraining order with her estranged husband and there was a court hearing set for April 9th. She then denied that there are any issues. The reason I'm telling you about this is ultimately, according to her family, Virginia Goofri had died by suicide at her home in WA ON April 25th, 2025.

1:09:16 I don't know whether or not any of these things are true. All I know is that less than 24 hours ago, this had happened to her. And this was a woman who was trying her best to make a good situation out of being a victim and the ultimate victim. From the beginning of her life. She was really trying to help victims have a voice. And nobody's perfect, right? But also this, any smear campaign campaigns that are happening about her, like, you know, it's just like so unnecessary. We're all flawed humans, right? We're all.

1:10:01 But let me just see in our bizarre world. I I was just waiting for you to come forward. I'm like, come on, tag, tag. I'm trying to tag you in. Yeah. In, in, in in our bizarre world, the the last three minutes of your episode was a lot. I mean, the, the crash thing. I like that. Just I the the number of questions that started popping into my head are crazy. Yes.

1:10:55 Like it seems, I mean, I don't know from what point in time to what point in time yesterday, you know, what was happening obviously in in her head. But I mean, there's a bigger story here. Yeah. The, the behaviour, I mean, I, I mean, I, I'm not a psychologist and I can't identify, you know, what is what, but things just don't again and my bizarre world, things are not adding up. No, I agree it's. Very Cray. It's like a lot. I know, I know. And like, I, I was like, I kept on trying to think I'm like, how the hell do I even talk about this?

1:11:38 Because like literally I was, we were talking about like, like the hobbies and the things that we enjoy doing right now. And one of the things I like doing is like cross stitching. And I was sitting on the couch cross stitching and I look and I see she fucking died. What the hell? She was like doing all this advocacy work, doing all this stuff. What is going on? The the statement that was released from the family was a little bizarre. And trauma can do that to people. Sure. Like that was very, you know, could be, it could have been really very sudden. It could have been like really good. Like, like who knows how people are going to deal in the situation. I don't fucking know. Who knows, right?

1:12:19 And you then you have to release like a public statement. I have no idea. I have no clue. But the way all of this is coming, is unfolding is very, very strange. And by the way, the whole list has not been released. The whole Epstein list that was supposed to be released, the multiple people and presidents and blah, blah, blah have said they're going to release has not been released. They're still redacted information, still information that is being fought to be kept secret. There was a person who knew a lot of these mother fuckers because they, she was incredibly tight with a lot of them and she had all of a sudden chosen to end her life. Which, by the way, that's never the answer. Like it's never.

1:13:07 No, it happens. People think it's the. Answer yes, but like it's never like like what I'm trying to say is like that like whole announce public public service announcement at the beginning of the the show was to say like, you know, like listener discretion, but also, you know, that's not the answer. However, could you say, oh, kind of makes sense. And like this she had a hard life. She had a really hard life. But then again, you get on the bizarre train and you go, wait, there's something here. What is happening? Of course, like divorce happens. That'd be weird.

1:13:48 Could you be losing your shit? Yes. We all like we all have periods where we're a train wreck. Like, I get it, you know, like I completely get it. And the whole exaggeration of the crash, that's fucking weird. It's. So strange, it's so strange and like there there was supposed to be like all this information on this whole list has never been fully redacted. Like it's not been it's all been There is information that has not been shared and is supposed to be slowly coming out. This information is not coming out. Why is it not not coming out? Well, we have someone who could say everything potentially. And then she says she's in a car accident. Actually, never mind. She didn't almost die. Oh, wait, the the hospital saying that she didn't like this is all fishing.

1:14:30 All of it's fishing. And are there things where like, people could be under psychosis? Sure, exactly. 100% but in a situation where this stinks to high heaven. Yeah, exactly. You have a situation that's just disgusting and then you put this on top of it. It's just compounds, yes. You have a you have a picture of a cross dressing president. You have a picture like at the top of the stairwell. Christ like who can think of this shit? It reads like something like it reads like you and I are sitting in like a fake pyramid with like crystals all around us and we have like a tin foil hat on we're. Like eating mushrooms and smoking pot. Yeah, yeah.

1:15:15 And and like, like only eating like vegan, like plastic cheeses like that are fucking with our brains. Yes, absolutely. Oh my God. But it's insane. But but one, one thing I really want to like put across is like, Virginia was an incredibly brave woman. She was the first one to step up and say this happened to me. I do not want this to happen to anyone else. This is a woman who has been helping out with cases, has been also filing cases of her own and doing interviews. A lot of these victims either don't have the the strength to do it. They don't have the resources. They they're unable to do it for whatever reason. And Virginia really took one for the team and really became like a, a symbol of strength of resistance of, of David and Goliath.

1:16:09 You know, she is really David. She is fighting the bigger monster and trying to trying to defeat it. And I think that it's important that we remember Virginia as an advocate and as a strong person who really fought for the victims in this crime and tried the best that she could without a ton of great tools in her tool belt. True. So we'll have actually soar in our show notes below. And also like, you know, as always, like suicide's enough for the answer.

1:16:49 There is we will have a a number to call in our show notes and you can just type. I think it's 988. Let me just double check that. Yep, 988 if you're in the US, if you need to talk, that's a lifeline and you can call it up, you can text it, you can chat on their website, whichis988lifeline.org and talk to someone. You're not alone. And, and the world's much better with you in it. And the world has been much better with Virginia in it. So my my thoughts go out to her children and her family at this time. So agreed. Yep, cheers to you all and we'll talk soon. Talk soon friends, bye bye.