The Clone Code

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Hello bizarre story friends.
You've tuned into the Bizarre

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unknown, and all things bizarre
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I'm Kevin, I'm going to be your
host for today's episode.

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And as always, we ask that you
keep an open mind.

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Keep a skeptical ear, but keep
listening to the facts as we

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take you on our newest journey,
the bizarre world of cloning

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Hello hello, hello, my bizarre
story friends and my bizarre my

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bizarre story Co host Alicia.
Hey, girlfriend.

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Hey, hey, hey.
How are we?

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Oh, I think we're great.
I think we're great.

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I have my coffee here.
I'm so excited to listen to

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today's episode and learn a
little bit more about cloning.

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I know, like three things.
And OK, here's another thing I

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know, OK.
It.

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Scares the shit out of me.
Does it?

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It does, because did you ever
see that movie The Island or

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something like that?
I think, oh, is that with?

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Ewan McGregor and Scarlett
Johansson.

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Maybe not.
Yeah, it's.

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Is it about that?
It's about clones.

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Oh, I think I need to go watch
that.

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Yeah, it's about clones.
And it's like all these rich

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people have clones for like
basically body parts like when,

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but the clones don't know I.
Love that movie?

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Yes, I remember.
It's so good.

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And they think they're going to
an island, right?

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Yeah, they it's something like
where they.

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Like the clones are getting
raised and they think they're

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going somewhere that they really
aren't.

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Yes, yeah.
And.

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And they live and like they, you
know, live really healthy lives,

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of course.
Perfect like nutrition.

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Yes.
And if if like something's a

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little bit like if you're having
too much sodium or whatever,

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like you're alerted to it.
Yes, but yeah, like, so they're

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it's almost like the winning the
lottery.

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They're like, oh, hopefully my
number gets picked so I can go

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to the island.
And in reality, like they're

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just being harvested for parts
and I guess.

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For their rich, their rich
person that they got cloned

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from.
Yes, OG.

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OK, well, we're gonna, we're not
gonna be far off of that topic.

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Of course, of course not.
So I guess that takes me.

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I mean, I was 'cause I was gonna
ask you when I mentioned

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cloning, what's the first thing
that pops into your mind?

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And it is that.
Yes, and the goat or the sheep

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or whatever.
Ah, the sheep Dolly.

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Dolly, I was gonna say Sally.
Yeah 'cause then my second

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question was gonna be, if I said
match a word to if I match an

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image to the word clone, would
you think of a field full of

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sheep or a field full of army
soldiers?

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Oh, yeah.
Probably initially a field full

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of sheep, yeah.
Yeah, OK, Yeah.

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Good.
Well, most people do, and I

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think it's a lot of it's because
the the they think of the scary

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part.
Because movies, yeah, don't

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help.
But they do.

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They think of, they think of
them, you know, nefarious.

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Because anything, any way that
you can take, like, anything,

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like, OK, you have technology.
It's gonna be used for evil.

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That's exactly right.
Just assume that.

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Yeah, people are not your.
Good thing will be evil.

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Yes, it will be turned bad in
some way and and they'll make

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money off of.
It exactly.

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That's also what it boils down
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So Alicia asked me the other
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She says.
Hey, do you happen to know how

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we can get more time in my day?
Because she was kind of stressed

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out and I said yes.
I no, I said no.

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I don't know how to get more
time in your day other than

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being cloned, but I've already
called dibs on that.

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So stay out of my lane, girl.
And Alicia goes, Oh no, you can

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have your lane.
I want no part of your lane.

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I was like, Oh my God, please,
like, no, not let's not have

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like this topic be something
that the the gets in between our

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friendship.
Yeah, right.

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Exactly.
OK.

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So the truth is, the science
scientists have been conducting

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cloning experience for over 50
years, and they're using all

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sorts of of techniques.
And actually there are many

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companies that would tell you
today that I'm too late, that my

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DIB calling was too late and
we're going to and we'll talk

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about that, we'll talk about
them.

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I also bring this topic up and I
thought this was a good week to

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do it amidst the recent
developments in Alabama.

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Oh yeah.
And just to recap this scenario

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for everyone, a clinician in a
mobile AL IVF facility was

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handling frozen embryos and
somehow, you know, touched the

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frozen container or something
and burned his hand.

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And his reaction, quite
reasonably, was to drop what he

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was holding.
And it happened to be the

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embryos which destroyed them.
And this led to a lawsuit from

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the three couples who were, you
know, mourning this accidental

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destruction of the embryos and
really wanted to hold somebody

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accountable for murder.
And the court agreed that these

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cells were in fact children.
So if you kill cells, you kill a

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person.
And this started my analytical

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mind, 'cause I I, that's what I
do down the road of how do we

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define what an embryo is?
And if an embryo is created via

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a sperm entering an egg, this is
the same thing as taking like a

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somatic cell and putting it in
an an oocyte, which is

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ultimately cloning.
Are those is that the same

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thing?
And if so, well then that means

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a clone is no different than you
and I.

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But then you have religious
people who believe that you

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know, in the Alabama law that
would tell you this is in fact

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like an abomination of God.
I mean, this is this whole

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dichotomy of back and forth and,
you know, one belief

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contradicting another belief.
I mean, it gets real.

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Cray Cray.
It does.

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And how like, yeah, you you
continue to like how, how how

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far are we going to distill
this?

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And like, I I don't know, like
I'm a woman, I have a period and

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like every single month when an
egg is released, Which sounds

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like reptilian and fucking weird
as shit, doesn't it?

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It's like.
Well, 'cause we're gonna talk

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about you were actually you
exist because you are a clone of

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a reptile.
But we'll get to that in a

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minute.
A reptile?

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A reptile.
But you know, is that is that a

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child, even though it has not
been fertilized, It's just the

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natural release of a woman's
body every month.

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An egg.
Is that is that actually a child

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and has the potential for it?
It has potential, right?

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And so then I think people yes,
yes, yes, you're right.

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And we can go down some really
crazy deep fucking rabbit holes

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today.
But I wanna keep this super

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bizarre and super fun and
educational.

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So we're gonna try not to get
into those weeds too much, but

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for now we're gonna, we're gonna
go back to 17, about 17 years

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ago.
And this was February 23rd of

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1997.
And do you know what happened

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that way?
When were you born?

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I I was born 10 years prior, so
1987.

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OK, do you know what happened in
February 23rd of 1997?

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I'm gonna guess Dolly, yes.
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Yes, yes.
So on that day, news was leaked

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out in a scientific journal
called Nature that they were

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about to report that after 276
attempts, Oh my God, Scottish

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researchers actually succeeded
in cloning the first mammal

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using a a a sonomic cell from an
adult animal and then produced

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Dolly the little lamb.
And she was created from the

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utter cell, the udder.
Not the other cell, the utter

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cell of a six year old sheep.
Now the news of this event had

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everyone abuzz.
Yeah, I mean it was huge.

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Mixed emotions.
People were shocked.

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Some people were surprised, some
people were mortified, Some

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people were scared.
Me and then others, of course,

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were titillated and curious.
So for those that who weren't

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peeing their pants with fear,
the discussions were What about

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humans?
Oh wait, could we make designer

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humans?
Oh wait, could we take the

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genetic defects out?
Make a perfect baby?

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Could we make armies of
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Oh my God, the possibilities are
endless.

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Not let's just, like, not play
God.

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Like maybe, maybe let's take a
step back and like, maybe not

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play God.
Well, it's exciting and new and

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and you know you're gonna have
the good scientists that go oh,

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but this can give us this is how
we cure diseases.

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This is how we're gonna you
know, right?

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Like you said, it always turns
nefarious.

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But it it it has potential to be
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Now at this moment there are two
O GB YNS named Sorvino Antorini.

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Oh, I hate when we can't
pronounce names.

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I know, it's so annoying.
Antinori Sevina Antinori, There

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You Go, and Penoitas Zavos.
And they announced that they

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would create the first human
clone within two years.

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What we go from sheep straight
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Yes.
And at this time, right.

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And so this is announced and
they're like, yeah, we're going

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to do it.
We're going to do humans in two

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years.
And they said they had

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successfully started human
colonial pregnancies, but

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neither ever announced any of
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So now while all this is
happening, all within a very

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short period of time, after, you
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stuff is like happening.
All of a sudden governments

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around the world started pushing
outlaws, right?

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And they're like trying to get
emergency laws in that would ban

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human cloning because people
started talking about it and

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potentials, and so they're the
governments and everyone are

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trying to get in front of it.
Yeah, and which is like always,

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always the case, right.
Like, OK, we need to have some

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kind of legislation that, you
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the rights or us humans the
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But it's always lags behind
technology and science, right?

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Because they don't really know.
Well, that's the other thing.

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I would argue, like putting a
law in place is something that

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doesn't even exist yet.
Yeah, I think you're jumping the

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gun.
You're jumping the gun.

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I mean it.
One, it shows.

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Like, kind of.
It shows what public opinion is,

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which is terror.
They're all frightened.

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So, so, so politicians are gonna
step in and be like, oh, don't

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worry about it, we're gonna try
to regulate it.

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But you have these politicians
who don't know anything, and so

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they're trying to make rules for
something that they have

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absolutely no idea about.
No, no, that's right.

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So if we're able to create
humans, how would that conflict

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with people's belief systems and
their Bibles?

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Playing God, right?
If God creates humankind, but

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now humankind is creating
humans, does it call into

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question God?
Are they real people?

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But God doesn't make mistakes.
Right.

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But do they have souls?
Are their souls only given to

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humans who are conceived?
You know, with a few minutes of

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debauchery, right?
What about people who have IVF?

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Those humans are born through
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They take a sperm, put it in an
egg, the put the thing in an

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oven.
Baboom.

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Baby cloning is ultimately the
same thing, but instead of a

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sperm as a starting process,
we're taking a copy of a an

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existing nucleus that has the
DNA in it and putting it in an

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egg and putting it in the oven.
So this question, this creates a

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lot.
There's some questions and.

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And morality is?
Moral issues?

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Sure.
And if what makes us different

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truly different is what's on the
inside, then does it matter that

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I have a clone?
The clone still gets a soul.

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I mean, again, I we're not gonna
answer these guys.

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This is like a Twilight Zone or
I I feel like all of our top all

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of our episodes are like
Twilight Zone or like Star Trek

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episodes.
Like, I already know how it

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plays out in Star Trek and what
they think like design.

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Like you're even saying designer
babies.

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Like, so OK, what if you have a
child with Down syndrome and now

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you're like, well, we have this
clone or like we we now know

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like and can control and design
our own babies.

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I want a baby with blue eyes,
not brown.

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I'm shit out of luck, right?
Like, you know, then a lot.

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Then we're starting to oh man,
this is going to sound bad, but

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like breed out specific traits
from our population.

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Yes, be it for good or nefarious
purposes, but you could like

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take out all the the bad cells
that could create disease or

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right what people would consider
a disability or like.

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Diabetes or something You
wouldn't have to, yeah, which I

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don't know.
Is that a bad thing?

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Some people would argue yes, it
is a bad thing.

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It's yeah, like I said, there's
lots of questions.

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It's a it's a can of worms.
It is a can of worms, OK?

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There's a religious cult Kevin
had.

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You have me at Religious Cult.
Tell me more.

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Realism.
It's RAEL rael, and when the E

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has two dots over it, it's
another syllable.

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So it's rael, rael, rael,
Raelism.

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Raelism.
Have you ever heard of them?

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No, I've never heard of it.
They're a faction founded in

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1970 in France, and it was, by a
name, a guy named Claude

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Vorilhon, I believe, also known
as Rahel.

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OK, now it's a.
Little, of course, Of course.

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Leaders.
Gonna have.

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Well, it's around him.
He is a.

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Narcissist Yes.
Yes, yes, yes.

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Now Rahelism teaches that an
extraterrestrial species known

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as Ulhim created humanity using
their advanced technologies,

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technologies by cloning
themselves.

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So we are actually clones of
this species.

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Oh, OK.
OK, there is an entire Wikipedia

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page.
Dedicated to this.

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Dedicated to this, it is packed
full of information.

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All of it.
When I say validated in source,

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I mean there are it's like
people it's not just making this

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stuff up, right.
They you know how wiki is that

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they people will make sure that
their sources are validated and

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that there is, you know, some
truth behind it, whether you

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call it truth or not.
Packed, packed, packed, packed.

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So I'm not gonna go into it, but
it's something interesting to

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read.
Real and is this cult still

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around?
Yes, they are still around and

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they I bring them up because
just at this time when when

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Dolly is created, there's a lots
happening in this year.

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Oh yeah.
OK, Rael starts a company called

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Clonade, and they're
specifically focused on human

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cloning.
And he sees it as this is the

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first step to achieving
immortality because he was

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created from a clone, right?
Right.

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And so this is going to, this
is, they're gonna, this is how

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we will achieve mortality,
'cause we're gonna, we're gonna

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be the first company to actually
clone a human, and then that's

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gonna be our deal.
We're gonna clone humans.

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So OK, so Clone aid is the name
of it.

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Like props for creativity, dude.
Not very creative.

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Clone.com still exists.
It still does.

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Oh my God, I'm so gonna look at
it It.

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Looks like a 1990s website built
by a grade school child.

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I hate it.
I think it's tacky.

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And why do all by the way, let
me just my pet peeve.

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I'm gonna get off my soap book
on a tangent for a little bit.

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Why do cult websites have to
look so fucking awful?

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Because they are.
They're disgusting, they're

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cheesy, they're terrible.
Yes, with like those.

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Like remember when you could put
like the They're not gifts.

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What are they like, little?
Animations animated like.

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Like a guy, a guy who's at work
and he has like the jackhammer

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and he's like, you know, you're
like, why did we do this?

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It looks so dumb, especially now
when you can like do something

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like you can click.
A button and build your website,

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yes.
Yes, like their templates.

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But anyway, clonea.com.
Clonea.com OK, so, so I thought

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when you were saying clone
a.com, it was more like we're

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going to help create legislature
to aid the clones.

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No, they're literally gonna do.
It they're gonna do it.

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So like what is the aid bit
about?

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Is that like Gatorade?
Like, like, I don't.

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I don't know.
Like it's.

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I'm very confused.
They're.

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Aiding, they're aiding in
cloning and.

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Creating clones.
But they these are all people

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who belong in a who who have
signed up for a cult.

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And one thing you know is that
they're not the brightest

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fucking, you know, crayon in the
crayon box, right?

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Like, not the sharpest tools.
How are these people going to

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clone anything?
They can't even build a website.

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So that's what's that's the
deceiving part.

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They have smart, smart, smart,
smart scientists that truly

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believe in this, and they have
all kinds of money.

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No.
Oh yes, because they've got

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Richie Be Rich riches that want
to clone be cloned.

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OK, OK, OK.
Actually, yes.

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Rich people who are searching
for, like, meaning or whatever

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always join cults.
And they're like, oh, well, oh,

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you're saying you have all the
answers.

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You just need, like $20,000?
Oh, you just need this?

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Sure, I'll give it to you.
I have money.

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You know, so much money.
And these people aren't even

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joining the cults, they're just
giving them the money to.

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We're.
Gonna talk about yes.

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OK, that.
Makes fund their mission.

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Great.
So on December 27th, two days

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after Christmas in 2002,
Clonade's chief executive

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Bridgette Bozier.
Bridgette Bozier, she's French,

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claims that a baby clone named
Eve was born.

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Oh my God, why do they have to
call her Eve?

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I get why it's the Biblical.
Wrap two days after Christmas.

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Yeah, like.
The media coverage was intense,

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as you can imagine.
Again full of criticism and

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ethical debates.
So this Florida attorney named

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Berta Bergard Siegel, he feels
like he has to have his nose in

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everybody's business.
He tries to appoint a special

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guardian for Eve because he
thinks, well, this little girl's

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just going to be a lab rat.
She needs to have a special

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guardian.
I'm going to do everything in my

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power to get her a special
guardian.

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As an American and she's, you
know, in France, of course we're

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going to put our fucking noses
into it.

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So I won't go into all the
details.

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Suffice it to say there comes a
point in in where he's

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questioning the company and
whether their claim is real

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because they're not showing
proof of this cloned baby.

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Eve and there are somewhat
argument is well but for their

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own protection, both from the
mother who we had the the baby

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in her uterus and Raven both for
her protection.

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Who's going to be raising this
child, by the way, And the

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child.
So we're not gonna do that.

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But in my mind, I'm like could
there but couldn't there still

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be some other way to show proof
that you literally that you did

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this without giving the
identity?

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Yes, you gotta be aware.
I mean you could take a video.

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You could probably.
I'm I'm thinking just like you

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could probably have something
along the lines of like time

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lapse.
There has to be some like

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papers, another like a third
party to validate, you know like

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a third like party scientist or
like like community a.

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Scientist would keep things
classic, like they could do it

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and still keep things secret.
They would do that.

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Yeah, yeah, there's like, that's
why they have like, you know

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research papers and stuff like
that.

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Like there's.
Yeah, I think there's what's.

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Protecting.
Yeah, definitely.

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I think there's ways.
And so that was a little Wham

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Wham for me.
Like, OK, that seems a little

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shady if you're not going to
give some level of proof.

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This is starting to smell.
It's starting to smell a little

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bit, Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.

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All right.
So with all of now.

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So now they're getting a lot of
attention.

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People are actually starting to
try to sue them for information

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and etcetera, etcetera.
CBS gets a hold of Bridget for

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an interview.
It's a very interesting

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interview and it's actually from
Australia, the 60 Minutes

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version in Australia on CBS.
They are the best.

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I started watching the 60
minutes in Australia.

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It's the best.
Good Athens stories.

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They have great stories, OK?
Like this has, you know

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absolutely nothing to do but
with but 60 Minutes Australia.

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Often times even when I'm
looking like researching topics

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or whatever, they always are
cutting edge and they're

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thoughtful about what it is that
they're I I just, I just watched

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60 Minutes Australia on YouTube
like all the time.

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Really.
Yeah.

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They have great.
The reporting's really great

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and.
Well, the one, yeah, this one I

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saw was, it's fantastic.
And interesting stories, you

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know, Do I really want to hear
about politicians being douche

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bags again?
Like, you know it?

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So they covered.
This they did.

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They got a hold of.
Her a Bridget and Bridget is.

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She is a chief, the Chief
scientist and kind of like not

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the CEO.
Well, I guess kind of the CEO of

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the clonade, but remember Rael?
Yes.

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Is.
The.

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Leader.
Messiah, yeah.

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And this is all happening under
his direction.

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So they get a hold of her, the
interviewer, and it comes out,

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well, Clonid actually isn't a
company there.

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It's a brand name because no one
can find it like a street

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address or anything.
And they go, well, no, it's just

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it's a brand.
And again, their argument is we

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you, you can't, we can't, you
can't know where we are.

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People will.
People are crazy, and they will

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do crazy things if they know
where we are, if we had a

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physical, if they knew where our
brick and mortar building is,

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where our scientists live, who
are scientists, where people

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would could potentially kill
them.

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I mean, I actually, I do agree
with that.

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I I do think that there would be
a lot of wackadoos who are like,

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this is wrong.
I mean, even me, like, I'm kind

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of like you're playing God and I
I don't know how.

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Like I don't trust
motherfuckers.

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I don't trust people to, you
know.

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I don't trust people.
So, so it like like is it a cop

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out potentially.
But also is it true?

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It's totally true.
They would like go.

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I mean, it is France, it's not
the United States.

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People don't have arsenals in
their, you know, homes, but

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still I could see someone doing
that.

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Well and she admits that she
knows she now she's she's under

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a lot of investigations federal
investigation.

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She admits all of this and she
says she's they've got about

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five or six lawyers working full
time.

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Everything they're doing is is
ethical on on above board.

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They're they're doing things
very methodically,

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scientifically.
And besides, they're not seeking

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investments from Americans
anyway.

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But tell that to Mark and Tracy
Hunt of West Virginia, who gives

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Clonade half $1,000,000 so that
they could get a lab built in

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West Virginia to clone their
son, their dead son.

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Fuck, here is where I was.
I was wondering if this if

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something like this would would
take place?

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Yep, the Food and Drug I'm
again, I'm not gonna.

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I have so much to cover.
I'm not gonna go into a lot of

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these details.
But the Food and Drug

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Administrations, they end up
shutting, shutting this lab

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down.
So there is a lab in West

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Virginia.
Not anymore.

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OK, but there was, there was.
OK, so now, but here again I I'm

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going to jump right up on my
soapbox for a hot 2nd and just

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give you a little preach.
I need people to get their feet

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back down to earth for just a
hot second.

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Because you got to understand
that if if you clone somebody,

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that clone is not the same
person who you just cloned.

454
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,640
Yes.
Right.

455
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760
If you take a cell from me and
you create a clone of me, that

456
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,960
clone is not me.
And especially if you are

457
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,560
religious at all.
I don't have to tell you that

458
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720
you should.
You should believe that.

459
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:20,000
And I know I joked about being
clone the other day, but the

460
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,800
reality is that is a different
person.

461
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,400
They they don't aren't my slave.
They I can't control them.

462
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,600
I can't make them do half of my
job so I can have eight more

463
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,640
hours in the day.
They are another living being,

464
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920
another human being, and they
certainly are not me.

465
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,000
And they may look like me and
we'll find out.

466
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:48,760
May not be look identical to me,
'cause there were some

467
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,080
experiments that we'll talk
about with some cat.

468
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,360
They did.
The cats look nothing like the

469
00:28:54,360 --> 00:29:00,240
clone.
OK, I guess my my point is, is

470
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,800
you you clone just because you
clone your son, you're not gonna

471
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,080
get your son.
That's that's what I'm driving

472
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320
at.
And like, here's the thing.

473
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,040
Grief does crazy things to
people.

474
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,680
And to be completely honest,
like, I'm sorry, but Clone aid

475
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:29,760
is like, they're like it's
fucked up to prey upon people

476
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,800
who are in the thick of grief.
And I've been there.

477
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,360
I know like when when you're
there, like nothing makes sense.

478
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,280
Your brain is like, is fried.
Your brain is being taken over

479
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:52,440
and you can't make rational
decisions which you know, this

480
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840
family in West Virginia, they're
like, oh, we just miss our son

481
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,320
so much.
He probably died tragically or,

482
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920
you know, or suddenly and they
just want to have one more day

483
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800
with him.
And you know, even like an

484
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200
animal, like they talk about
cloning your, like, you know,

485
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,200
pet dog or your pet cat.
You know, you clone that that's

486
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,200
not going to be the same, you
know, animal.

487
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,040
They're not because what what
are we?

488
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,560
We are, you know, we are
experiences and like that's what

489
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,760
makes us who we are.
It's the people we've been

490
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,520
around, the experiences we've
had.

491
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,640
It doesn't really have much to
do with an exterior, with what

492
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,960
we look like on the outside.
It's it has everything to do

493
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,120
with the sum of our experiences
and who we are and how we deal

494
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,680
with those those things.
An identical twin is in fact a

495
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,200
clone.
Yes, they are clones.

496
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,080
They are actual literal clones.
They are two different people.

497
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,040
And I don't know if you've ever,
like, been friends with

498
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,480
identical twins.
No.

499
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,560
I'm not ever, have I?
I don't think I have.

500
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I
have.

501
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Well, my cousin had identical
twins.

502
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,440
I didn't know them super well,
but yes.

503
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Yeah.
So it's like, like I and I've

504
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,560
been friends with identical
twins before.

505
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,280
IVF was like a big thing because
I was born in 1987, so there

506
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,080
weren't a ton of twins out like
there are today.

507
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,080
But they have very different
personalities.

508
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,320
Like they might have some things
that are very similar, but

509
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,480
they're they're totally
different.

510
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
They might look the same, but
like, OK, we need to think a

511
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,600
little bit deeper.
Friends like these, it's not the

512
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,480
same.
Two humans.

513
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,240
And how tragic would that be for
that those parents in West

514
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Virginia to clone their son,
let's say they did it and have

515
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
someone who just, like hated
them or like, just was like a

516
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,320
total asshole, right?
Like, it's like, OK, cool, now

517
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,240
we're grieving the fact that we
even tried doing this to our

518
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,440
son.
Exactly.

519
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,920
And I I know I can pretty much
with certainty say they're not

520
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,600
gonna be happy.
No, because it's.

521
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Not their son.
And and what they're trying to

522
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
do is fix a hole that will
always be there.

523
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,880
Right.
Without any, without the CLONES

524
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,120
permission by the way.
Yes, that's yeah, that's a huge,

525
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,520
that's a huge issue like go to
therapy, OK, West Virginia

526
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,400
parents.
Like.

527
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Get some therapy.
Get some therapy.

528
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Do some work.
Like don't clone your son.

529
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,120
It's weird.
Yes, it's weird.

530
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320
So let's talk a little bit about
the science of it all.

531
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,320
Yes.
So there's three kinds types of

532
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,040
cloning that happens outside of
nature or what we call

533
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
artificial cloning.
That's gene cloning,

534
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,560
reproductive cloning and
therapeutic cloning.

535
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,080
OK, so now gene cloning is also
known as DNA cloning, and it's

536
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,880
very different from reproductive
and therapeutic cloning.

537
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,600
Now, gene cloning copies genes
or segments of DNA.

538
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,160
There's a thing called CRISPR.
You've heard of it.

539
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,600
These words make no sense.
Clustered regularly Interspace

540
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Short palindromic repeats.
That's what a cluster that

541
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,480
stands for, and it's a
technology that enables

542
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,640
geneticists and medical
researchers to edit parts of

543
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,160
genomes by removing, adding, or
altering sections of the DNA

544
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,680
sequence.
This is how you get blue.

545
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Eyes.
I was gonna say designer babies.

546
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Remove the cancer cells or.
OK, but this is only like, out

547
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,200
of curiosity, Is this only for
like embryos?

548
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Like so before?
Excuse me?

549
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,760
Like this is gonna sound so
stupid, but you can't do this on

550
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,200
existing human beings.
Like like let's say they have

551
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,520
your DNA.
Is your DNA your?

552
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,640
DNA is already there.
You can't, like, do anything to

553
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,160
it.
This is on embryos.

554
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,920
Although I think that they are
working on that and I, and I'm

555
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,160
not a scientist by any stretch,
but I think this is like you

556
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,840
know how they do the, I think
what is it called MDNMDNA or

557
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,600
RNARNA or something weird like
that where they are starting to

558
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,440
figure out how to edit.
Yep.

559
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,239
And then you inject that and
then you're they replicate and

560
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,560
blah blah blah.
Which would be great for things

561
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,040
like cancer.
That's what they're trying to

562
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,760
figure out exactly.
In 2018, a guy by the name of He

563
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,920
Zheng, You Japanese?
I can't pronounce it.

564
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,360
He reported that he had altered
the genetic makeup of IVF

565
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,679
embryos and implanted them into
a woman's uterus, leading to the

566
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:38,480
birth of twin girls.
And now his team from Southern

567
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,320
University of of Science and
Technology in China, they made

568
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,440
use of CRISPR to do this.
And they altered the girl's DNA

569
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,800
so that they would be resistant
to HIV.

570
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,200
And in 2019, he's convicted in a
court of violating medical

571
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000
regulations for for ultimately
doing this.

572
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,520
He.
And he was actually just

573
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,520
released from prison, like two
years ago.

574
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,560
OK, so this is a question,
right?

575
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Like how do you test whether or
not they are, You know, they

576
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,560
can't catch HIV.
Because you would take their

577
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,160
blood or whatever.
Oh, you put it.

578
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,560
OK.
Yeah, I'm like you're not

579
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,280
injecting.
Something.

580
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Like that's fucked up.
Yeah.

581
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,120
No, no, no.
But OK, interesting.

582
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,800
So reproductive and therapeutic
cloning share a lot of the same

583
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,040
techniques, but they're done for
different reasons.

584
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,600
So reproductive cloning is the
copying of whole animals.

585
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960
That's what when we're talking
about cloning, that's what we

586
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,760
think of reproductive.
Cloning.

587
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,720
OK, OK, OK.
So, so whole animals, Yes.

588
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,400
Now, in reproductive cloning,
researchers remove a sonomic

589
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,480
cell.
Sonomic cell is just a mature

590
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,040
cell you would take from your
body like a skin cell.

591
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,000
Or an utter cell.
Or an powerful from a Nutter and

592
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,920
you take that from the animal
that you want to copy and then

593
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:12,960
you transfer the DNA or that
that the DNA of the donor cell

594
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,480
which is the nucleus, that's the
word I'm looking for the nucleus

595
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,120
which is what carries the DNA
and you replace it.

596
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,360
Yeah in the egg or in an oocyte.
And an oocyte is like it's a

597
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,600
cell from like the uterus wall
that can also has the ability to

598
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,200
replicate or split.
So it doesn't necessarily an

599
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,960
egg, but it has the ability to
do what an egg can do.

600
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440
So when you clone, you can
either take the nucleus out of

601
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,880
the egg and put the new nucleus
in or you can do that nucleus

602
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,800
DNA with an oocyte cell.
So there's those two ways of

603
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:58,480
doing it.
Now they can do this in they can

604
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,560
remove the the cell in the egg
in two different ways.

605
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,160
The first method they remove the
DNA containing nucleus of the

606
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,640
sonomic cell with a needle and
inject it into an empty egg.

607
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,160
And in the second approach they
use an electrical current to

608
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,120
fuse the entire sonomic cell
with the empty egg.

609
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,000
So there's like 2 these two
different little methods.

610
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Very interesting, very
intriguing.

611
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,520
And then therapeutic cloning
produces embryonic stem cells

612
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,760
for experiments aimed at
creating tissues, replacing.

613
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,440
This is how they grow ears.
And.

614
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Kidneys and things like that.
Or they get stem cells.

615
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,320
From.
The yes, the richest source of

616
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,880
embryonic stem stem cells.
You hear people doing like stem

617
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,200
cells research and stuff.
Is tissue formed during the

618
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,320
first five days after an egg has
started to divide.

619
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,320
So when you do that cloning or
you create the embryo and it

620
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,200
starts to divide and and make
itself thing.

621
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,880
That is the time that it's
richest in in stem cells.

622
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,600
And they said this stage, the
embryo consists of a cluster of

623
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,400
about 100 cells and these
hundred cells can become

624
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,920
anything in your body.
That's what's so fucking

625
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,560
fascinating.
That's how your body grows an

626
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,280
ear or grows a kidney or grows a
heart or whatever, right?

627
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,520
It's from the crazy.
And so if you, you'd think about

628
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,800
if you had those, that is how
they can grow ears or grow, you

629
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
know, leashes.
I don't know.

630
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,640
Leg fell off.
OK, we're gonna grow our new leg

631
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,360
or she needs a new replacement
kidney.

632
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,920
So we're gonna grow her a new
kidney from her stem cells.

633
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Yes, if you have the stem cells
right.

634
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Like yes, you first have to have
those stem cells.

635
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,400
They have those stem cells, yes.
Which a lot of people are are

636
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,800
doing.
Exactly.

637
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,360
Yes, Yes, stem cells are
harvested and cloned from cloned

638
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,520
embryos at that stage of
development that I was talking

639
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,240
about.
But it results in the

640
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,040
destruction of the embryo while
it's still in the test tube.

641
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,320
And so now Alabama would tell
you that's killing a child.

642
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,720
Right.
Yeah, that's, I mean that it it

643
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,000
does, it does call into
question.

644
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,560
Yeah, yeah.
Which I do know, like those stem

645
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,560
like stem cells have helped
people who are fighting, you

646
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,000
know, diseases.
Michael J.

647
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,880
Fox, who has Parkinson's
disease, like it's helped like

648
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,240
stave off some of the worst
effects.

649
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,560
He's still living like, you
know, with that diagnosis.

650
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080
So it helps.
It helps people who are.

651
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,000
Generated from his own cells, by
the way.

652
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Right.
So it's like.

653
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,960
These are his cells.
They're we're not just like, but

654
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,520
but here's the thing, like a lot
of people who are uneducated

655
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,680
will sit there and say no, no,
there's like baby banks and they

656
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,040
have like these babies that
they're killing and that's how

657
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,760
we're getting, you know, these
stem cells.

658
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,120
So they're they're basically
baby killers and.

659
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,640
No, They're taking his sonomic
cells, putting them in an O

660
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,200
site, creating these what people
would call embryos.

661
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,000
And in the first five days,
they're extracting those hundred

662
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,320
stem cells and then in the
process of that is destroying

663
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
the embryo.
It's his cells.

664
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,640
And it's his.
Yeah.

665
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
So he's giving permission for it
right?

666
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,040
Like.
But also the question is, is

667
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,880
like if it's a clone, does the
clone have?

668
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,280
But you're killing a baby.
Does the clone have the right?

669
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Does that does that.
Yes.

670
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,360
You know, living thing that is
creating something.

671
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,240
Precisely.
Are you killing a living thing?

672
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,600
Yes, this is the argument.
This is exactly.

673
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,000
The argument It's a good
question.

674
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Now, in 79, researchers produced
the first genetically identical

675
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,960
mice by splitting the mouse
embryos in the test tube and

676
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,600
then implanting the embryos into
the wombs of the adult female

677
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,320
mice.
This is exactly what happens to

678
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,320
identical twins, right?
Right.

679
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,960
It literally just goes, it
thinks, and it splits in two and

680
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640
goes 2.
OK, so that was in 79.

681
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Shortly after that, researchers
produced the first genetically

682
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,000
identical cows, sheep and
chicken by transferring the

683
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,960
nucleus of a cell from an early
embryo into an egg that had been

684
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,920
emptied of its nucleus.
Like we were talking about

685
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,400
before, OK?
And then in 97, Dolly's created.

686
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Good old.
Dolly and then two years later.

687
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,320
After that, researchers in Japan
cloned 8 calves from a single

688
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,760
cow.
Only four of them survived.

689
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,400
Interesting.
Other mammals have been cloned

690
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,600
by sonamic cells too, like cat,
deer, dog, horse, mule, ox,

691
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,280
rabbit and rat.
And now that we've kind of

692
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:14,640
talked about how science and and
how it links to moral, immoral,

693
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,960
immoral or moral, you know, kind
of beliefs and thoughts and now

694
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,520
I'm going to tell you something
that cloning happens in nature.

695
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,440
OK.
So, and it's not just done in a

696
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,360
lab and I I'll give you 3
examples.

697
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Please.
There is a plant, well, a tree

698
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:43,240
to be more specific, called a
Palmer oak, and it is estimated

699
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,880
to be about 13,000 years old.
Because it keeps cloning itself,

700
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:56,160
it requires, no, not sexual
propagation, but like, there's,

701
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,600
you know, like flowers and
trees, the pollination, right?

702
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,560
It requires none of that.
It's literally cloning itself.

703
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,320
That's the dream.
Am I right?

704
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,680
You go Palmer Oak.
There is a seagrass called a

705
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,840
Poseidon Ribbon Weed.
It's about probably 4500 years

706
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,400
old.
Dandelions are another thing.

707
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,320
They will clone themselves and
they are identical.

708
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,200
They are.
Identical identical clones I've.

709
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Never looked at it.
Another example are single

710
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,000
celled organisms like bacteria.
Oh yeah, they all produce

711
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,040
genetically identical offspring
through a process called asexual

712
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,040
reproduction.
It is without any sexual

713
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,440
reproduction or reproduction
from a bee or a wind.

714
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,520
You know pollination, right?
Even like cancer cells, right.

715
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,920
They can replicate, yeah.
And that's why, like, like the

716
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,360
problem with cancer is that it's
these cells that kind of go

717
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,520
rogue and they just continue to
grow and grow and grow and

718
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,600
replicate itself.
And we talked about identical

719
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,480
twins and the actual splitting
of the fertilized eggs.

720
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:17,160
So it's not like this is an
unnatural event.

721
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Right.
Yeah.

722
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,040
This is something that is that
is happening in nature.

723
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,480
It happens.
It doesn't just happen in a lab.

724
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200
It's been happening forever.
Right.

725
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,160
And it's not just twins.
I mean, it's not just humans.

726
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,840
It's like, you know, it's
animals, Plants.

727
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Yeah.
Mainly plants.

728
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Now some of the benefits.
So I personally, I think we have

729
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,880
the same moral considerations
for people have with human

730
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,560
animals.
That or this I personally feel

731
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,320
like we need to have the same
moral considerations for animal

732
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,000
cleaning that we do for people
because quite honestly, I have

733
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,840
more sympathy for animals.
I like animals better than than

734
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,920
human beings.
OK, but I have a question about

735
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,600
that.
OK.

736
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,360
So we want to have, like you're
saying, OK, we need to also have

737
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:25,040
sympathy, but is it like, OK,
there's so many people who need

738
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,600
to be fed, right?
If we could clone a meat source

739
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,360
and clone it in a way that like
maybe the meat source, like a

740
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,240
cow or something, and have it
grown in a laboratory, which I

741
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,120
believe that they have done.
They have.

742
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,360
In 2008 of January, the FDA
approved that and said that is

743
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,640
safe.
To do it's OK to do yes.

744
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,400
So is it's not like they're
raising the the cow and having

745
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,480
the cow like roam A pasture and
then and then killing the cow

746
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,480
like it's like lab grown meat,
right?

747
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,400
No.
No.

748
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,680
Well, they can do that too.
They can do that too.

749
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,600
Grow a steak.
Yeah.

750
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,960
You're like, oh hey, we really
like can you grow your?

751
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,240
Strip.
Yeah, No, no, no.

752
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,280
They're literally creating cow
clowns.

753
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,680
And.
Then slaughtering the cow.

754
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,400
The cow like you would like a
birth cow.

755
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,920
Yeah, but they are also growing,
literally growing a Patty.

756
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,360
Right, Which?
They are doing that too.

757
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,800
I kind of feel like that's a
little bit more.

758
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,240
Humane, yes.
Yes, yeah.

759
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,280
Well, yeah.
Because, well, OK, I'm gonna

760
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,240
get, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna
get, I'm gonna get on the edge

761
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,560
of some fringe arguments.
Here.

762
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,000
Oh, OK, yes, we love it here,
but.

763
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,240
If you're gonna clone something
that's living.

764
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,320
I mean it's it's a living
Organism.

765
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,280
It is a, it's a it's a it's
it's, it's it is.

766
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,160
If you were to find, Let me put
it this way, if you were to find

767
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,640
this little growing meat Patty
on another planet, you would

768
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,640
call it life.
Yes, that's very well.

769
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,440
OK.
I mean, yes, yes, you would.

770
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Yes, you would.
OK, so I'm that's why I get why

771
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,840
I'm saying it's kind of French,
but you we're so hung up on

772
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,960
human cloning humans that the
2nd that it?

773
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,760
I don't know.
Starts to propagate.

774
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,840
It is an embryo, so it's a
human.

775
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,840
Or the minute it's just starts
to grow a spine or a heartbeat,

776
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,880
or just whatever you define it
as a human, then that's when

777
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,360
we're saying it's immoral.
But in the reality.

778
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,920
But does it have a soul?
Is that what we're killing?

779
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,440
Does the meat Patty have a soul?
No, of course it doesn't.

780
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,760
But then, I would argue, neither
does the little clump of cells.

781
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,280
Right, because OK, here's here's
the, here's the question.

782
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Here's something that comes up
in my head.

783
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,480
If the meat Patty can replicate
itself, by all means, meat Patty

784
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,920
replicate Kate yourself like you
like.

785
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:24,080
Maybe there's something more if
the cells or the test tube,

786
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,200
like, you know, what were those
called?

787
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Again, like the babies or like
the what they're claiming are

788
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,120
babies and embryos.
Embryos.

789
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,760
Duh, embryos.
I could not think of the word if

790
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,400
the embryos could sustain life
outside of the Petri dish or

791
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,560
whatever it's in, by all means.
Yes, it's life and it can grow

792
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,320
and you know, but it it none of
these things can.

793
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:51,080
These are being created in a lab
under some very specific

794
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,360
settings.
So, like, is it really?

795
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,040
I don't know.
Is it really life?

796
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,960
But I would argue that a baby
growing in A in A can't survive

797
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,800
outside of the womb either.
But that's killing A you know?

798
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,880
You OK?
Again, I don't want to get into

799
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,120
all these crazy arguments 'cause
we could argue, I can see here's

800
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,760
my problem, yes, I can argue
both sides deeply and.

801
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Passionately, yeah.
I I totally see both sides.

802
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,680
I completely see it, yeah.
Especially like, it's just so

803
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,880
nuanced.
Yes, it is.

804
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:37,120
It is OK.
So we talked about asexual

805
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:43,480
replication, the benefits which
we were getting into.

806
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,080
You know, the same researchers
that made Dolly, they created

807
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,440
other clones that were modified
to produce milk that contains a

808
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,600
human protein that is essential
for blood clotting.

809
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,680
And their thought was, OK, well,
we're going to create this sheep

810
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,520
or yeah, the sheep that produces
milk that will have this protein

811
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,840
in it that helps human clotting
to give to hemophiliacs.

812
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,560
Oh my God, yes.
Makes perfect sense.

813
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:23,400
Total sense instead of being on
on like all of these clotting

814
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,360
like blood clotting like.
Yes, medications that are doing

815
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,760
all these other things.
Yeah, like very negative, like

816
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,080
side effects.
Exactly.

817
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,000
So now we're just feeding you
goats milk that helps you clot

818
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,960
your blood.
Hopefully you're not, you know,

819
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,000
lactose intolerant, right?
Right.

820
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,880
That's a different problem.
That's interesting.

821
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,360
So that's a a.
Yeah, a definite benefit, yeah.

822
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Genetically identical animals
are better for drug testing

823
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,200
because their results are
uniform as opposed to

824
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,200
potentially different based
upon, like some other genetic

825
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,040
makeup.
You know what I'm.

826
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,680
Saying.
So that's another, they say,

827
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:05,280
another benefit of having cloned
animals rebuild populations of

828
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,960
endangered species, which you
you were talking about earlier.

829
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:16,360
Hello, Jurassic Park, bitch.
Yes, yeah, cloning them.

830
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,880
I mean it.
OK, so here's a question that

831
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,640
just came up in my mind.
If you're cloning something, OK,

832
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,800
we're making copies, right?
We're making a copy of

833
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,520
something.
When I don't know if anyone has

834
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,080
like used a copy machine, maybe
people haven't 'cause we don't

835
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,240
use paper anymore.
But like you have a copy, yes.

836
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,960
And you don't have the original
file anymore like or the

837
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,120
original paper to.
Make a copy of a copy.

838
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,920
Make a copy of a copy, and the
more times you're making a copy

839
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,880
of a copy there are there like
the copy is not as as dark.

840
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,760
You can't see like there.
It.

841
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,240
Creates defects.
There are issues that come up

842
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,200
just in a paper, let alone
genetic material, where you're

843
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,720
making a copy of a copy.
You don't have the the OG, the

844
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,600
original cause the original's
dead, So you're making a copy of

845
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,080
a copy and then you have genetic
defects that come out of it.

846
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,920
Or, you know, maybe the clone
lives a shorter lifespan.

847
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,920
So I don't think they.
So I you're right.

848
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,080
I think that could would
genetically create some big

849
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,680
problems I think even for my
complete ignorance of of this

850
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,040
topic.
But what they are cloning are

851
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,760
they are cloning originals.
So for the.

852
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Yeah exactly, exactly.
They're not creating a clone and

853
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,160
then taking the DNA from the
clone to create a clone.

854
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,800
They're like, like, well, I'm
just gonna use Jurassic Park as

855
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,680
example.
They're like literally finding

856
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,800
the DNA in an old piece of
amber, you know what I mean?

857
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,880
So that wasn't.
A clone, Yeah, it was.

858
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,240
It was an original.
Yes.

859
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Or like the sheep or the cows,
right?

860
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,560
They're not creating them from a
clone.

861
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,640
They're literally taking them
from a cow that was born, you

862
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,520
know, out of nature and cloning
that into more cows or more

863
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,280
whatever.
I hope they don't do it with

864
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,640
dinosaurs.
Well, but well.

865
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,200
Oh, they probably have.
You know they have.

866
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,120
Fiction to Truth Girl.
Yeah, it.

867
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Should really happen.
Oh my.

868
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,200
God.
They actually did this for an

869
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:27,080
endangered species of ox and
some African Wildcats that they

870
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,840
had these frozen embryos saved
for like a very long time and

871
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,160
they they were actually able to
start creating these animals.

872
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,400
You're saying we could have had
the dodo?

873
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,720
Yes, yes.
That is like I really want the

874
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,800
dodo.
Maybe someone has a?

875
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,040
Dodo.
Somewhere there has to be

876
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,720
something.
But OK, scientists, please.

877
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Get on the dodo.
Get on the dodo.

878
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,200
And then then the other one is
like you said before cloning

879
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,720
your pet.
Although again, do not expect.

880
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,200
This.
To have your Marvin by your side

881
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,480
'cause it's not gonna be your
Marvin.

882
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,600
No, it's gonna look like your
Marvin, but it's not gonna be

883
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,600
the same animal.
No, no.

884
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,120
And like I said before, the
researchers had found that they

885
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,560
when they had cloned some cats,
the cats were like, like, is

886
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,800
this the right Did we do this
right?

887
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,800
Like it looks, it looked nothing
like what that was cloned from.

888
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,400
OK, so that's another thing that
like kind of came up up in my

889
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,960
head about.
It is well, because we carry all

890
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,800
of these genetics, right.
And like you like, OK, I have

891
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,360
brown eyes, but my mom had like
blue has like blue-green eyes or

892
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,560
something.
So I probably also carry the the

893
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,720
blue-green eyes.
Gene.

894
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:55,480
Gene Yeah, it's just that what
was selected is brown eyes for

895
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,960
me.
Like genetically I did the 23 in

896
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,720
me, which I really regret doing,
but.

897
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,320
Why?
Because now they have my

898
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,760
fucking.
DNA.

899
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,600
Oh, right.
Yeah.

900
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,960
And I I don't.
Yeah.

901
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,400
Anyways, whatever.
It's all said and done but but I

902
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,720
it's said on there.
No one in your family better

903
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,240
ever murder anybody 'cause
they'll figure out who it is.

904
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,760
For sure, yeah.
My dad's on there too.

905
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,480
It's like, yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah.

906
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,360
Hey, if anyone's a machuca like,
you're fucked.

907
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,160
But it said I I should have
straight hair.

908
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,120
Genetically, that it's likely
that I would have straight hair.

909
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,920
My hair is not straight.
Hails to the no.

910
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,960
Yeah, isn't that interesting?
Interesting.

911
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,680
Yeah, yeah.
That was like one of the things

912
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,600
that came out of it.
It was like probably has

913
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,480
straight hair.
Question like the validity of

914
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,440
their results, like shouldn't
they know?

915
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Well, I still carry 'cause my
mom has straight hair.

916
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,760
And my dad, he all of a lot of
his siblings, I'm he's one of,

917
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,160
let's see, all of his siblings.
They don't have nearly as curly

918
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,120
hair as I do.
He has like six siblings.

919
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
He's the only one with really
curly hair.

920
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Some of them have WAVY hair,
some of them have straight hair,

921
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,400
but no one has like ringlets
like I do.

922
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,880
You know, out of like 30 plus
cousins, 'cause we're Latin and

923
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,160
it was Catholic background, like
nobody used protection out of

924
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,760
all of the all of my cousins 60
plus there's like two of us that

925
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640
have curly hair, which is
interesting, but we all have

926
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,800
this like similar genetics from
that.

927
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,760
Side Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

928
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,720
You would think, but that make
that's where it makes sense,

929
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:43,920
where if you have a cat that was
orange and it would come out of,

930
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,160
you know, black and white, you
know, 'cause it still has those

931
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,880
those.
Traits.

932
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,120
Those traits unless you start
doing designer.

933
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:57,640
Pick those out and swap them out
and all of that shenans.

934
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:03,640
All the shenans.
So you know how we were talking

935
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,840
about in 2008, the FDA.
Approved.

936
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,920
Approved.
Yeah, that it was safe to eat

937
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,480
cloned cow, pig and goat,
including milk.

938
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,920
Oh, and milk, OK.
Right, so if you get milk from a

939
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,040
cloned cow, it's cool.
It's all cool.

940
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,880
But for those of you listening
who are freaking the fuck out

941
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,560
right now thinking you may be
eating a cloned cow, it's really

942
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,960
expensive to do.
Still expensive to do that

943
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,320
process right now.
So they're not really chances.

944
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,600
Are you're not.
You haven't eaten or drinking.

945
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,240
Unless you unless you like
specifically asked for cloned

946
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,640
meat, I would I would
specifically ask for for like

947
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,800
cloned.
As long as it was Patty growing

948
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,600
the Patty.
Yes, I don't necessarily want it

949
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,480
to be like raised.
A raised clone, yeah.

950
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Yeah.
Give me a Patty.

951
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Yeah.
That's weird.

952
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Yeah, yeah.
What would the I guess?

953
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,920
I guess here's a question I have
is like why would you want to

954
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,960
clone like an A protein source
like?

955
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,440
For the reasons that you
mentioned, food.

956
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,920
Food security you're creating
and it's less harmful to the

957
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,520
environment, right?
Because not, not.

958
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,080
Patty, right.
Not the.

959
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,200
You're actually literally
growing meat.

960
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,880
Yeah, Yes, if you're growing
meat, yeah.

961
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,560
But same truth for I guess.
Yeah.

962
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,280
So I guess for the when you're
actually cloning the animal, I

963
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,280
guess it could be argued it's
the same thing.

964
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,160
You're creating more food
source.

965
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,560
But currently it's not a
problem.

966
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,360
We can still like these animals
are still.

967
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,160
I agree.
I don't.

968
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Being like breeding, of course I
we don't.

969
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,280
I guess I couldn't know that for
sure, but.

970
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,520
But it would be a problem if
they weren't or like, they were

971
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,160
unable to breed.
Yeah, that's right.

972
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,160
So yeah, what's the purpose?
That's why it's so expensive.

973
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,920
It's like it's not necessary.
Right, right.

974
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,960
OK.
So again, with any technology,

975
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,720
people can use it for good, or
they can use it for bad.

976
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,040
Here's here's the scenario.
Because we know how to clone

977
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:24,080
genes, and we know how to edit
genes, and we know how to do

978
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:30,920
reproductive cloning, we could
create clones with modified

979
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,600
genes.
So now you create a dozen super

980
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,960
villains, or two dozen or 100 or
a million super villains.

981
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,000
But remember what we talked
about before you create your 100

982
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:52,680
super villains?
Maybe 90 of them are like I'm

983
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,640
not up for this.
Yeah, I'm a peace man.

984
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,680
I'm like just like a happy love,
dude.

985
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,560
Free love, man.
So you can try to do all that

986
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,920
genetic thing stuff.
Yeah.

987
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,760
But doesn't guarantee that
you're gonna get that.

988
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,480
And by the way, when you start
effing with genes, I think you

989
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,560
are asking for all kinds of
problems.

990
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Absolutely, I completely agree.
I mean, currently people are

991
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,400
already like aren't aren't there
already designer babies?

992
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,080
Like people can actually choose
traits for their children.

993
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,680
Yes, in fact I think it's, I
seem to recall someone had, they

994
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:40,120
had performed a test and they
saw that the baby had the gene

995
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,200
or something 4 downs or
something of that nature and

996
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,560
they were actually went in, took
it out, edited it.

997
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,800
Yeah.
And I don't know whatever became

998
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,840
of that, but.
Well, I think I I I swear.

999
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,560
And this is just, like,
definitely conspiracy theory.

1000
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,280
But I swear I've heard of, like,
rich people choosing, like, what

1001
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,960
color eyes their kids have.
I.

1002
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,960
I wouldn't doubt it.
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it.

1003
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,320
It it it would not surprise me
at all.

1004
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,800
You're right.
I want a blonde hair, blue eyed

1005
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,840
little Hitler.
Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

1006
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,560
People.
Yeah.

1007
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,760
And.
And it is that nefarious.

1008
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:25,400
Like should we just allow people
to or you know babies to just

1009
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:30,760
have the random traits and then
see, I I, I kind of think it is

1010
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,880
probably wrong but I'm not the
person who has a child with a

1011
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,320
genetic disorder or.
Disease.

1012
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,400
That's right.
So.

1013
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,800
That's right.
Now, beyond all these moral

1014
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,080
struggles that we would have, it
is actually more difficult to

1015
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,240
clone a human than it is an
animal.

1016
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,680
I was going to ask that.
Yeah, more complex.

1017
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,680
There's two There are these two
proteins that are essential for

1018
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,040
a cell to divide.
They call them spindle proteins

1019
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,800
and they're located really close
to that nucleus that carries the

1020
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:06,560
DNA, the the chromosomes.
And that's true for like primate

1021
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,160
eggs, like humans and and and
monkeys and such.

1022
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,480
And to have a successful clone
you have to remove the nucleus

1023
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,240
that carries the the DNA and
replace it.

1024
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,520
But you can't fuck with those
spindle because if you don't, if

1025
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,920
you don't have those spindle
proteins, it won't work.

1026
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,840
But because they're so close in
a human that it's all that

1027
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,760
they're, they're always getting
destroyed when they try to

1028
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:38,360
remove the the nucleus.
And I guess there's a couple of

1029
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,280
ways of removing the nucleus.
They do it with through dye or

1030
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,960
they do it through.
There's a couple of other things

1031
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,800
that also destroy the spindle.
It's like a firewall.

1032
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,160
But with animals and stuff, it's
like a firewall.

1033
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,800
But with animals and stuff, the
those spindles are spread out

1034
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,480
throughout the egg, and so
you're you're you can't destroy

1035
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,920
them as nearly as easily.
Yeah.

1036
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,480
But yeah, it's kind of like a
built in protection.

1037
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,800
Right, it's built in protection.
It's like a fail safe.

1038
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,560
It's like a fail or like a kill
switch, like the spindle.

1039
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,760
These spindles are like kill
switches, so if people are

1040
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,520
trying to fuck with the human or
primate, you know, DNA or

1041
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,360
replicate them, yeah, it's it's
like a fail safe.

1042
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,840
Now they've gotten better at it.
They've started.

1043
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,000
Of course they have.
Of course they have.

1044
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,440
I found a report where there is
a lab in the United States that

1045
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,280
is cloning humans to this very
Dang.

1046
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,480
Shut up.
But they stopped the process

1047
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,360
about 14 days into the cycle
because that's when it starts to

1048
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,920
grow a spinal cord and then
that's when they're considering

1049
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,200
it to be on the verge of life.
So that's when they stop.

1050
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,520
That's that's definitely when
they air quotes stop.

1051
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,560
There's no way they haven't now.
There are no federal laws in the

1052
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:05,520
United States banning cloning.
And there's there's 15 states

1053
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,560
that ban reproductive cloning
and three states that prohibit

1054
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,760
use of money to fund such
activity.

1055
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:23,320
There's 10 states that have
clone and kill laws that prevent

1056
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,600
cloned embryo implementation for
childbirth but allows the

1057
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:35,640
embryos to be destroyed.
So it's very, very different

1058
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,200
depending on what state you're
in, as to what you can do and

1059
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,640
what you cannot do with.
Clones.

1060
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,320
It's, I mean, and and it is
interesting because I really

1061
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,240
wonder what the international
laws are because we're speaking

1062
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,040
from an American perspective.
How do you and I do think some

1063
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,280
countries have have jumped right
on the ban?

1064
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,640
There's a map actually that
exists and if you look there are

1065
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,440
some, there are some countries
that have full on ban.

1066
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,160
And then India, I think it's
India, United Kingdom,

1067
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:18,960
Australia, America, I think they
have some form of of a of some

1068
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,960
form of illegal, some form of
illegal.

1069
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,160
I think Canada is full on
illegal, I think.

1070
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,880
Interesting.
Yeah, I I I have to look, but I

1071
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,200
I think that was true.
So I end our discussion today

1072
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:35,480
where we began.
What is an embryo, and by

1073
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:42,280
definition is a single stage of
development of a particular

1074
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,240
Organism.
An Organism that reproduces

1075
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,320
sexually embryonic development
is part of the life cycle that

1076
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,680
begins just after fertilization
of a female egg by a male sperm

1077
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,240
cell.
That is the definition of an

1078
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,320
embryo.
That definition was created

1079
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,960
before we knew anything about
cloning.

1080
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,680
Yeah.
And that and that definition

1081
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,600
specifically calls out sexual
reproduction.

1082
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,880
So does that mean, as I stated
before, if I take a sonomic cell

1083
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,520
and put it in an oocyte, do I
have an embryo?

1084
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,400
I mean, yeah, I think the whole
the whole definition needs to be

1085
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,320
reworked.
Yes, exactly.

1086
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:31,600
We've got some thinking to do.
And is it like Alabama says, the

1087
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,480
moment a cell mass starts its
process?

1088
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,040
Is that a child?
Is it just before it starts to

1089
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,480
develop a spinal cord like that
lab things?

1090
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,560
Is it when it starts to develop
an organ or a heartbeat like?

1091
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,320
There's so many freaking
questions.

1092
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:52,120
So many questions and I I would
love to hear people's thoughts

1093
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:59,040
on this, but please keep your
comments respectful and

1094
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,200
articulate please, because this
can, like I said before, can get

1095
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,640
into some really sensitive
rabbit holes, but I'm curious to

1096
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,600
see what what people's thoughts
are, if they've had any

1097
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:16,040
experience with it, if they know
any clones, yeah, you are a

1098
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,960
clone.
Oh my God, please tell us.

1099
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:24,080
If you had known any scientists
that clone, you can pick up the

1100
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,480
phone or you can hop on our
website at the bazaaraf.com.

1101
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,040
You can click that little mic in
the bottom right hand corner and

1102
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,600
you can record us a message.
Yeah, call us right now.

1103
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,160
Easy number 970-364-3663.
Yeah.

1104
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,800
We still need that.
Jingle 970-364-3663.

1105
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,520
Give us a call, let us know.
Wanna hear what you think about

1106
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,040
about clones?
Do you Do you have any final

1107
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,800
thoughts?
Is your brain just a spin?

1108
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,480
I think it's my brain's spinning
and I think, like you were

1109
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,400
saying, I could probably argue
both sides.

1110
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,400
I I'm not sure I have a fully
formed opinion.

1111
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,360
Isn't, and I think not to
interrupt you.

1112
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:18,720
I feel like that might be the
case because you can understand

1113
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,160
both sides.
Totally, yeah.

1114
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,600
I can totally understand both
sides.

1115
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,520
But I mean, like like you were
saying, I would love to hear

1116
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:29,120
other people's opinions and
that's how I that's how I learn

1117
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,279
is just by listening to other
people.

1118
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:35,120
I I don't.
I just, I don't know.

1119
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:40,920
I I see both sides and I really
worry about legislation and

1120
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,560
people jumping the gun in either
direction.

1121
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,880
In either direction.
Kind of like AI too.

1122
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,720
It's like exactly.
Right on this cusp of the

1123
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,680
complete unknown, that could
really be a moral problem.

1124
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,479
Yeah.
We really have to be careful and

1125
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:02,800
thoughtful about how we, how we
create legislation and how we

1126
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:08,080
create rules and frame frame
both issues, especially framing

1127
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,880
this issue like you don't want
to jump the gun, but you also

1128
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,279
don't want to have people living
on an island that are, you know,

1129
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:20,120
that are living for body part
like to harvest body parts.

1130
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,760
You know, like I see both sides.
But this was so interesting and

1131
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,319
you know what, I thought that I
would believe one thing when we

1132
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,880
walked into it.
And as we've had this

1133
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,600
conversation, I feel like I'm
more confused.

1134
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,680
So thanks.
You're welcome.

1135
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,439
Thanks for that, Kevin.
Well, at least it makes you

1136
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,080
think it's you're open to
thinking.

1137
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:40,640
Yeah.
Good.

1138
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,960
OK, great.
Well, thanks for listening and

1139
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,600
we'll talk to you in a couple of
weeks.

1140
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:45,640
OK.
Thanks.

1141
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:46,800
See ya.
Bye.