Government Official Meets E.T.

0:02 Hello, bizarre, story fiends. If you're listening right now, you're tuned into the bizarre AF, where we talked about the strange, the Absurd, the unknown, and all things. Bizarre AF, I'm Alicia your host, for today's episode and like, always, we ask you to keep an open mind, keep a skeptical ear, but keep on listening to the facts. As we take you on our newest Journey, government official meets extraterrestrials. Oh goodness.

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2:30 Now, you're drinking, just straight up bourbon. You know, it's our traditional Cava with current problem, what is it? So yeah, I'll definitely have. Okay, so you know clearly were doing pretty well right now I'm just enjoying our chef but I thought today that I we would talk about something that, you know, we haven't discussed yet. We've come across it in various points, but I want to talk about different like governmental officials who Have had who have had a thing or two to say about aliens specifically today. I'm speaking about one person. So, whenever we think about the government and Aliens, I feel like there's always some kind of mystery behind it. So like, what kind of Camp are you in? Are, you can't the government knows about aliens is working with them or Camp?

3:22 They don't know. Shit, and they are actually being forthright clueless. Now my God, it's the clearly the first the they know they called like, okay, totally, totally, yeah, Yeah. Yeah, you think cuz I believe they're real and I believe that they've I believe like the whole the Roswell thing. Yes. Like I've for some reason I really feel like that's real. You think that roswell's real the government like there was some kind of alien spacecraft that you know, for some reason crashed in Roswell, New Mexico and the government was really slow to cover it up. Yes.

4:04 Okay yes yes and UFOs are what are the common uaf? Uaf. See I knew it. Aerial phenomenon you eps. Yeah, yeah. Then they know it's real. I think. So I'm kind of like in the camp of. Okay. Do I think that they know more than what they're saying? Yes. Do I think that there that the government is not very United at all. And I'm only speaking, I guess with the United States government, I'll only speak for that because I don't think that they have their shit together. And there are a lot of oh, no, they don't, they don't have their shit together and they don't No.

4:46 Like, it's what is it called? Like, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is. Holy, that's totally what I think is going on. And there's a lot of black budget stuff operations that we just don't know about. Yeah, yeah. And and which, you know, it makes sense, but these government officials were like, yeah, I've never heard about anything. Of course, they haven't heard about anything, they don't have the clearance to do so and, you know, likely, if you weren't in like some kind of black, I mean, I'm sounding like a conspiracy theorist but Some some kind of like black budget, you know, through that happens to like there's some high officials that's that don't know. Stuff that we pay for hmm, that happened because they don't need to know or they're not supposed to know. Oh totally and they keep that stuff separated and classified out for a reason.

5:37 I got to keep it separated. It was about right now. So okay, that's good to know because I mean I think we're basically on the same. I think so. Yeah. Yeah page some the man our main man for the story is actually Paul Hellyer. He was Canada's I was going to say Canadia what American am I Canada is a former Defense Minister so I'm just going to try to give like the briefest of biographies about him but fuck we both know that I'm kind of a nerd and I when it comes to research so. Okay once again brief so Paul was born August 6th 1923 and Waterford on. Courier Ontario and all things really are relatively normal with his upbringing. Once he graduates high school, he went to California to study Aeronautical Engineering and he got his pilot's license at the same time so he's a real overachiever. And you know what?

6:32 Good for him. We love a determined King. So around this time was World War Two, which Paul thought he would enlist into right? And he was To become an rcaf Pilots. So the Royal Canadian Air Force pilot. He already has his pilot's license. Of course, you'll be able to get get into that. Well, they didn't need have a need for anymore. So he became a Gunner and thank goodness. He survived, or we wouldn't have anything more to say about Paul. So so he did his Gunner, he did a service. And in 1949, he began his political career, he actually was the youngest person at the time to be elected to the House of Commons.

7:16 And he took on a few posts, and later on, when his party had control in 1963, he became the minister of National Defense, which is really where our story kind of starts. Okay. Almost under, Lester bipuresan, and he oversaw, the unification of the Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Army, and the Royal Canadian Air Force. So he brought all those together into a single organization, which is the Canadian Forces. So once again, he had a relatively, you know, normal and success, Awful career in politics serving in many cabinets, and even being one of the longest standing members for the queen serving on, various advisory boards up until his death, ultimately in 2021.

7:58 And this is really where things get spicy. Hmm. So in 2011 right, he's an advisor at this point. The Daily Mail releases an article about Paul and they quote him as saying, I believe in UFOs, and I've seen them and those are pretty strong. Words from a dude who spent his entire working life and the government. So what took him so long to come out with these thoughts? And he was working, this is 2011. So he's still in the rosary Advisory board by stuff so he's not he's not like a working missile. Yeah, I guess not not serving on behalf of the government officially he's more so like on kind of like the board of directors, kind of things.

8:42 He's on advisory boards for the queen but he's not He's not as he's not active, like in his political career. Well. So then I think that's the million dollar question. Why? What's making him? Come say this. Yeah, what? What is making him say this? I, you know, I mean, okay, so first of all, let me back up, you know what he's talking about. Yes, I'll go into, oh, and to some details of what he's talking about. Oh so there are various it happened a long time ago before 2011? Yeah okay so not Really he wasn't like speaking. That's the thing that kind of gets me on. This is the dudes not really talking about it while he's serving in a in his, in any kind of political like job.

9:27 He talking about it when he's already out. Well some so self-preservation. Yes, self-preservation is in. He couldn't say anything before he was officially Official. Yes, yeah. I mean I do agree with that and that's basically what he says. Like his, you know, the Daily Mail, although it's kind of known as being like a gossip mags are like, it's not taken very seriously. Sometimes it picks up these, these stories and they're the only ones who are willing to pick it up because they deal also deal with. I don't know. Harry Styles is a fucking gray. Alien has a table where whatever like the s? What's the fucking tabloid has tabloid? It's like seen as a tabloid, okay? I mean even pulling up these articles, which I have on the National Enquirer, whatever.

10:17 The hell that is that garbage? Yes. But like, but you have these magazines that pick up these articles are these stories and sometimes there and then how do you filter it out? Yeah. You can't, you can't. I mean if you're asking me, honestly, I kind of think that's a tactic. Uh-huh. Because, well, a tactic on Whose part. I mean on the media who's working with potentially with the government, the government like hey look if the National Enquirer is also saying bat boy is like a real thing if you remember bat boy, you know, the national. I love that kind of shit but you know, sometimes they come out with like real stories that are legitimate and they're the only ones who are willing to actually publish them. Like New York Times isn't going to do it unless they have, you know, a shitload of proof.

11:03 Well, thank God for the government that they do. Because then It doesn't give the same value and I for the people that want to bury their like, it's the National Enquirer who. Yep, who cares? Yes, they do crazy. Made-up shit. Anyway, so no one's gonna believe this person's gonna believe them anyway. Yeah, I do think it's interesting that the first people who came out and like listen to Paul were where people at, you know, the Daily Mail which is like the National Enquirer, interesting. I think that it is like burying a story or bearing a lead. Potentially so the article, you know, really starts about Paul talking about the prior Thanksgiving that he had which we just passed Thanksgiving at this point. So this is in 2010.

11:51 He has, he's at Thanksgiving, goes outside looks up at the sky and sees like a star moving and he's like, that's not a star. It's definitely not a satellite. It's not a plane. It's nothing and he's an aeronautical engineer. Remember, he's worked in. You know the government at. He's also a pilot. So like this guy knows how aircraft moved. Okay. Yeah. He looks at it sees it moving and he's like it's none of these things I've ever seen in the sky. The way that it's moving, is a regular. What the fuck? Hmm. So that's the first story. He comes out with and at first I'm like reading this.

12:31 I was thinking fuck like, so none of this stuff happened while he was like in office. It's only going to be like wow. I'll he you know, is like basically a retired dude. Right. And ultimately like, he the article this article which I'll have in the show notes, it's a weird one. Paul also says, look the government's know about aliens and I've been working on weapons to use against them. They could very well bring us to war with the speed with an alien species without any warning from any The other people. So could the government could govern? Yeah. And it's like, he's talking about it. Like, it's one government, right?

13:14 He's talking to the Daily Mail, Daily Mail, as a UK paper, really, he'd be should be saying the government's like not one unified, you know, gotcha. So did government knows that aliens exist. Hmm. They have been working on weapons to use against them, okay? One, they've been working on weapons, do. Use against them. How the fuck are you doing? What? What do we have? That's going to destroy an alien race or like aliens were visiting us. And the only way you would know what weapons would be effective is if yes I saw them, right? You saw them, you were interacting with them. You knew what their capabilities were what their weak spots? Potentially were.

13:59 Yeah, you've already had prior communication with them. Ultimately, there are a lot of claims in this article and a lot of a lot of things to question. Do you think honestly that it would be that the government would be capable of of all of these? These World governments, you know, knowing about these alien species and then also creating weapons, that could be used to destroy these government or the aliens. I think if we knew half of the shit that we didn't know, we would be shocked. Really. I think there's things we don't know that would blow our minds and so I sewed, answer your question I think. Yeah, I think it's completely plausible. But I mean, is it plausible?

14:45 We can't get along at all. Is it plausible that all of the world government, like the government's in the world and like, different countries can come together are together on this Epic on this topic. Mmm. Mmm, that's kind of weird. That's why I struggle, I struggle with that. Like, I don't think, I don't think he would go. Oh, I normally hate you. But we're gonna join forces on Aliens. I just, I don't think that's, I don't feel like that's plausible. A'ight, I completely agree with that. That's that's really where my bullshit detector kind of starts beeping, is really like, we can't, we can't fucking decide on, like making climate pledges.

15:29 Like, let's just like stopped, like like greenhouses green, a like grey aliens. We're gonna come together. Guess what? We're gonna fuck? Although although you know, we do love, I mean, I don't know, Humanity kind of loves War, right? Like we if there's something, we can all come together. If there's anything, we could agree on. We could agree on. Is these at end and against Anna Force outside of us. Write like a force that's coming and potentially trying to take over Our world. Yeah, it's all let's all get together. Well, the North Korea, whatever, you know sense. I guess. I guess. Yeah. When you put it like that I guess. Yeah, it could. It could potentially have maybe. I don't know.

16:10 I still think so hard. Everyone, everyone who's liked working that capacity. They're all fucking like egomaniac Stars. I'm concerned. Right? So, ultimately, you know, the things that he's saying like, I don't know, he's kind of off-the-wall on some of them. Let me I'll tell you another Other quote that he says in this Daily Mail art guy. So he talks about the Illuminati. Okay, we're talking about aliens. I'm into that totals that Illuminati. Yeah I'm into it but it's like do we really need to have but whatever. Yeah, so he's like okay the Illuminati are very real May control the world, they have communication and access to aliens and could help with climate change but they don't want to So the Illuminati is talking, there is, by the way, it exists, it's talking with aliens, they're in direct communication with them.

17:09 They're controlling the world. They could stop climate like this. Monumental the Illuminati are controlling the world. Uh-huh. And they're and they're communicating with the aliens in the aliens could solve things. The aliens don't want to solve things or the Illuminati. Don't want them to solve things. The Illuminati does not want them to solve things because, right. Because then there's not the conflict and the no he says it's because they're in bed with big petroleum. I'm sorry. Who's in Illuminati, not he's in control with the with to come on. Come on. Haven't get on. Uh-huh. Okay. Crying.

17:49 I know. And so so because they're in bed with big oil? Yes they need. They don't want to fix climate change because then that would mean. Eliminating. Big oil and jobs and yeah, stuff. Yeah. In the same article. Uh-huh. Exactly. You and I think the exact same thing I'm like sitting here like, dude fucking Dad. I'm down for this conversation that we're having about aliens. Like this is yes. But then you bring in the Illuminati and it almost kind of feels like when you have articles like this, that come out It kind of feels like you're really burying the lead, right?

18:34 Yeah, let's here's like the big, the big thing that were being told is government officials saying, yeah, fucking aliens exist. This is for, for real. Okay. Yes, but that he throat. Then you throw in or whomever is like listening, you throw in all of this other esoteric bullshit that doesn't really matter and you start giving feeling like you're on the crazy train, right, right. It's like, I can't take someone, like, give me one thing at a time, I almost. Now, once again, this is me getting into conspiracy land. Okay, I'm in, here's my ticket and I'm going into conspiracy land. Okay, conspiracy land. Like Look like we have one thing which is aliens.

19:16 Aliens are. You know, here Among Us government officials are there? What other kind of crazy-ass shit? Can we say? Or can we say that? Maybe he did say, maybe he didn't say, but like, can we insert into this article? So people questioned the legitimacy and what who was making him insert these things Yeah, who's saying insert these things to make him not? Believable. Because this is where I get confused. Because so let's say he go, let's say, he goes to the mail and he goes, hey, I've got the scoop of a lifetime for you, boo? Yeah. And they're like, yeah, and they do this well, whose is it the Daily Mail trying to get him to get on the crazy train?

20:02 Because they're in bed with the government saying, we don't want this to be completely possible or you seen? I'm saying like if he was initiating this like you wouldn't think that the Daily Mail would want him to be on the crazy train because they were like, this is the scope. But what if they're working with the government's right and trying to dissuade or like, you know I've heard about this quite a bit where you have someone who's legitimate. Like there's one person I really want to talk about coming up which we will Bob Lazar and some he were he was a government contract employee and the dude was And there is he still alive but they did so much to discredit Bob Lazar and he was talking about a new element that was discovered like back in the 80s and the government. Like there was so much work to say to delete, basically the legitimacy of who he was like you couldn't find people like who were like oh yeah.

21:02 Bob actually yeah, Bob did work here like everyone's like no, this guy is fucking crazy. He's a loon. Why would you ever listen to that like in Bob's like look, I'm I was in in like these government, you know, rooms. We're trying to reverse engineer, you know, alien spacecraft, that's what he was doing. He was trying to reverse engineer it. He saw the alien spacecraft could not understand how the fuck to make it work. They were trying to figure out how to make it work and he's like, it ran off of this like element 151 or whatever or one whatever. It's some fucking element. These guys seems completely plausible to me but it does seem completely pause plausible but He started coming out with this information. He was being discredited by various journalists by like his house was like ransacked like they want to coming out they didn't want any of this information coming out.

21:51 Yeah. And they like deleted his like any kind of information about like schooling that he had like classes he took like to discredit to totally discredit. So like it is it really so far off that we could say potentially, he did say some of these things to this reporter And the reporter said, We're going to add this into the fucking article because it really distracts from war or something else. What about the editor? Sorry, the owner of the magazine, maybe, or the editor of the Daily Planet. Not not the reporter may be. The reporter was all like, huh? And then the editor or the owners are like, we're going to add some we're going to Sham.

22:33 You need to change this to this or this or this could be that too. I could definitely see that. And I think It comes to this article at the time he was serving on various boards, having to do with the environment and climate change and trying to help reduce, you know, reduce the risks for future Generations. So it would make sense that claims like, oh, they're in bed with big petroleum. They twist your words. Yeah, what's the word say? You know? Because he could have had a point are valid point about. Yeah, I mean, let's be real people that are Are in the Big Oil Business. They don't want Big Oil Business to go away. No they don't be real.

23:16 Like that's the truth with any kind of business, right? Oh for sure. So I'm sure he had an opinion about that and it very well could have twisted his words into making him sound like a loony bin to discredit him from all of the other stuff that was really important. Oh yeah I mean so here's here's the thing like He for years was coming out, he has books out, you could see him talk. Like I said, he just died in 2021. So in August, which 2021 he was pretty old. So, but he had he had been talking about like the alien issues. He would talk about different types of aliens. Like you know.

23:56 The greys. Have you heard of the greys? Yes, this is Patsy. I'm with you. I see. I'm so with you. Like we're so connected because like that's thus that like if I could sit With him just to talk about that. I don't want to talk about all the other crass. If I just think about that because I told you before I I feel like Roswell is a thing. It's a real thing. Hmm. And I'm sure that's not. I know that's not the only thing but if you could talk to somebody, I just about that. That the aliens and we're going to talk about the great people in the second week.

24:36 I would just die. Like that would be. It would be amazing Canadian. Yeah. Cause then you can ask questions and things like that. Yes. So you were saying, do I know about the great people? Because because he talks about it, he's like, oh yeah. There are various life forms of like aliens. There are the greys. There are the Whites, the greys are like okay, think about Grey. Ins, it's the way you probably call the time with the triangle and the face eyes, black eyes? Yes. Yeah, yeah. So that's the Grays though. The whites are like, they look like really tall, Scandinavian beautiful people. I really, yeah, he's like, oh yeah, the whites can actually like walk around with us and they are working at military bases like these motherfuckers are actually around but the think see the thing is is like he's like humans. They look like humans like really tall the tallest White's is what they call them.

25:30 So the really really tall. Like, you know, we're talking like six, seven, seven feet tall or whatever like way taller than me lights for shake. So are they? They will be hidden or they wouldn't have to be a nest. They wouldn't necessarily have to be heading. Like the thing that would be a little bit strange is that they're really tall and they're beautiful. They tend to be really, really attractive but depending on who you're asking and in the law More of like aliens which in a future episode. We'll talk about the different types of aliens that are out there. That'd be fun. Yeah. So the aliens the tall whites. They look human they're like they're like humans just really really tall and beautiful gorgeous like we're talking hmm like think about like I'll go and I'll go and I'll go to a place that I this is just the first person who popped into my head I'm a hockey fan.

26:26 Gabriel landeskog from the you do. Now Sports so Gabriel landeskog from the Colorado. Avalanche is like beautiful blond hair, blue eyes like gorgeous. Yeah, or like, what are those? The Skarsgard, the one who was in like, True Blood and stuff, he's like beautiful. Okay, I don't know. I'm really not doing well like big like really tall and yes, I get it. I get it and muscular like like muscular like it like kind of like Godly Yeah. I like like like what we would think of like a perfect human. Yeah. Only like blond and which maybe maybe that's why you're like, yeah.

27:08 So anyway, um, he's like, there are various life-forms, they're interacting with us, the whites can fit in and they do fit in they just look tall and beautiful, right? Okay. So it's not like it's not like they like you would be staring at them, like, oh my God. You're fucking gorgeous, you know. Yeah, they stick out in that sense. But no, other sensor, still humanoid. They do not Like a gray. Right? Right. That's obvious. Yeah. Not like an insectoid. Hmm. Or what was the praying mantis or we were talking about? Don't worry Gia. You didn't say that. Oh yes. Yes. The ones that fed on children's gland. Yes. Yeah. But I don't know what they look like. Okay, what's his name Killians those another that's another one now wasn't Bob what was his name-o? What are you two first names?

27:55 Yeah no no. Yeah Alex. Alex Christopher yes yeah they never really explained. What those guys look like. So the thing. Okay so you know we're talking at he keeps on talking about, you know, hey look, aliens are among us. They have technology that could help us change our warring and polluting ways. They're okay. Okay, so in the later there's a later article on the, The Daily Mail because that's like his Healing Daily Mail Daily Mail, they've got like this, they're thick as thieves. Yeah, even after they reported him and made him look like a crazy person, that's the thing that kind of gets me.

28:40 I'm like why would you go back to them? But this is in 2011. So wait, let me seems like, maybe this like this. The only way I can get my story out. Nobody else is listening to me. Hmm. So he At this point, he's 90 years old and this is a 1 2011. So okay, let me let me, let me back up. This is actually not directly with the daily mail. This is a report that the Daily Mail creates about a television show it like an interview that he has with the Russian with a Russian television station. So let's see. This was in 2014. So he he goes on an interview with a Russian.

29:22 Television stations and the Daily Mail reports on it doing a piece on that inner mess. And that's what this is. So, he's 90 at this point. And what he's saying on the article or in the television shows? Hey, look, they're actually like 80 different species of aliens. By the way. Okay, wait, I never mind. Go ahead, go ahead. No, go go, go. Go, how does he know? There's 80. He's very specific like the, his he seen 80 different aliens, that's the thing is like, that's the thing that kind of gets me that he's talking about. He doesn't really say it was really kind of a weird art like interview, anyway and the Daily Mail speaking to the Russians. Why?

30:08 Because he's Canadian, right? Yeah. And he's on like governmental boards in Canada. Okay? So maybe he's trying to get the word out. So, Anyone that will listen to me, somehow it gets ahold of some Russian. Mag. Yes. They're like, yeah, we can do your story. He talks about 80 different races of aliens. He's kind of like it's like a an overview of all this stuff like right. Like you have to kind of say I'm just going to play Devil's Advocate on this one. So when you're doing an interview you know that they're going to be using pieces like little bites too, of course.

30:51 Yeah. So they're using. Little bites of conversation or or of like a little Snippets of audio but they know that he's going to or that people are going to pick up that will pick up like stories right but I myself yeah I did I did. Sorry. Okay so again so he's he's trying to get as much information as seems like potentially out. How else are other people going to? Listen to it. If you say some pretty extreme shit like absurd stuff. The question is, how much of this absurd stuff is true? Is it all true?

31:35 Is he just trying to get more and more eyes on him? I don't know. I think that you're really kind of started to confuse two issues. One. You know, he keeps on saying these governments like officials, a governmental officials need to just be straight out like all. Go out and tell. Tell the people the truth. We know about aliens. Aliens are out there. Why can we not admit this to them? That's one issue. Yeah, then you start confusing it with all this other bullshit and then trying to push a narrative that you're on the board for which kind of, I don't know, rubs me the wrong way. Yes.

32:16 But the things that he was saying, I mean it's it honestly does sound like a science fiction episode rather than reality. So he says, you know, we've had over, let's see here. We've had over 80 different types. Anyone from What was? Can everyone hear the fact is that is a doorbell or I think it's a doorbell. Oh, he's a ghost at the aliens. Trying to talk to us right now. So, so he, this is where he's talking about the Ada aliens. Yes. So he's talking about the a lie ATLiens and he's like, really the reason, the aliens came to be like, came to pay a lot.

33:00 They've always been around, but they're really starting to care because of the atomic bomb. The aliens are starting o to care about the planet. Because yeah, mcbomb. Yes. And like, are we going to ruin the planet? Okay. All right, this is something that continues to come up. You'll hear it often like you know, alien sightings around nuclear weapons facilities that seems that makes sense to me. Yeah. Totally makes sense things that don't like malfunction like where, you know sometimes around nuclear facilities. There might be some fire gunfire or whatever and gun stopped working things. Stop worrying. Okay now which is interesting.

33:40 Yeah, so that's something I've definitely heard but he said there's been a lot more activity since in the last few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and ultimately, they're really concerned concerned that we're going to use it again because all of us in this, you know, Universe are Connected and that can have long-lasting effects not just in in on the plant on planet Earth but on other planets potentially. So he's basically saying oh these are all like really good aliens. They don't really want to destroy us. I'm like dude, I don't know about that. I think it's a little fucking scary and and he just keeps on going like on saying, they've always been visiting and they're not really impressed with who we are as as people, okay, sorry, I wouldn't.

34:30 Be impressed either, you know like what do we really have behind us? Like, let's be honest. Yeah, like what is there? Like like if you look at the Grand picks the grand scheme of things you'd be like you I mean people are like 12 Facebook go on to Facebook and you have like a great like a clear view or Twitter and that sense, you know? So he says, you know, it's because, you know, we spend way too much fun time. Each other and too much money on military stuff and destroying things which, you know, makes sense and we don't really take care of our own people. So he continues to go into on this interview. Like we need to save the planet.

35:16 This is something that they want. He's also on these like yes, do we? Yes, we do need to like stop polluting. We do need to like start being more sustainable but you're also serving on these boards. Is that what your is? That the reason that you're trying? To push this agenda. Is it because of that or are you speaking on behalf, the aliens? Like I'm just very confused as to what it, he what it is that he's, you know, during yeah. And like where is he pulling this information from? Because he's also saying like, hey, there's a Federation of planets just like Star Trek, my God, you know, and that is that they can't interfere with us because that's like, I'm at home or not part of the Federation of planets.

35:58 Well, okay. If you want to go through Star Trek, I must Trekkie. Yeah, so Star Trek like one of the, the prime directive prime directive. The prime directive is, you cannot interfere with other cultures until you get until like, the people or the world is actually has a excuse me. I just walked until they have warp capabilities. So until they're able to leave space and like travel the The cosmos not just like, go to the moon or whatever, you can't connect your interact. Yes. Until people can actually leave and go outside of the cosmos and explore and interact with other cultures. That's when the unite want at least in Star Trek, the United Federation of planets would come down and say, hey, welcome. This is what exists gotcha.

36:51 Here's our protocol kind of thing. Okay. So he's saying you know, that's why which it sounds like a fucking Star Trek episode. It's like yeah, I could you have pulled this out. out of a Next Generation, although I just have to say Sound like a crazy person. Yeah. And say a lot of the Star Trek stuff is so plausible dude. Like seen run worried like he his mind he like he thought of stuff that was. So literally science fiction that you look at today and your likes either, we have it close to it or plausibly could have it. Yeah, soon crazy. It is totally crazy and I would say that's Hundred percent like good creative writers but also it's the Chicken and the Egg, right?

37:39 So, you know, you have like something like a candle like Kindles Star Trek ice and you can look this up Star Trek, Star Trek nerd was like I want to fucking make that you see, Jean-Luc Picard, like reading. Like, you know Anthology, yeah, like Anna Buck, not a real book. He has like a little thing. He's like, I'm going to try to figure out how the hell to make that work and today, what do we have? Yeah, we have a little pads. Yeah, yeah. And we can read. I mean, I have I'm sit, I have an iPad right here. Yeah, you can do whatever, it's insane, we don't literally go computer, show me, yes, yes, out of my freakin house. That's right. Was always going off before you guys. Go computer play ball blah and it'll just start playing like computer. Shut up.

38:23 Yeah. So, you know, he does is he talks about the prime directive. He talks about, you know, the future and and part of me wonders. This is, you know, you can go on to Paul hellyer's like website, you can buy books that he has. You can listen to talks that he has. My question is how much of the experience that he's had as a, you know, minister of defense or in the government, in the Canadian government? How much of that experience? Is he pulling from? And how much of it is stuff that he's heard? Yeah, I don't know. I want to believe in it and I want to believe that like he's written books.

39:04 Written books interviews had multiple interviews. He would go to a dump, a bunch of like conventions, you can go on YouTube and just find like him talking about these things. You can find this Russian interview but I and as much as I want to believe it, I also question, how much of this is like coming to the end of your life and looking back and saying, what do I have like, what kind of blueprint or what kind of Legacy. Do I have behind me? How can I move forward? And try to get things that are going to help the future future Generations? Potentially, you know, if I were really Playing devil's advocate, I would say that. Maybe that's where a lot of this is coming from, is from that. I want to believe in aliens, do I believe? Now, like this guy, this is another thing. This guy was saying it years.

39:59 Before we had a conference in the, like, the In States like we just had one a year ago or your two ago about you APS and now we're telling them it'll military officials like hey if you've seen something if you've seen something say something right like report it will start actually taking this seriously. It's not going to end your career. We need to start keeping tabs and Records on these things. Instead of just shutting you guys up. Something's going on, he was coming out with stuff like this years before, did he? He maybe have friends and Intelligence Officers. That knew more than he did.

40:40 Yeah, I think that's probably it. And that's something that even says, like not, every government official is told about these things, right? Some people are, but some people are not and just looking at him, it would not surprise me if the where he's pulling a lot of this information is not from his own experience from people that he knows. Because he talks about like the the tall whites and how they're working on military bases in Nevada. Like Specifically, he's talking about all these, like different, but he this guy wasn't it can possibly be. And yeah, like like if he had real, I'm I guess like the validity is still questioned because this guy doesn't have any. True proof? Yeah.

41:21 Or like one, like they hardly ever, do not well, but there are people who are starting to come out and say like, hey look, I'm not working in this capacity anymore. Here's the proof that I have like the guy that I was talking about earlier. Bob, Lazar Bob Lazar has proof. Bob Lazar has a lot of shit that that he saved information that he saved this guy doesn't, is it's interesting though. The government official would open up that door and start having these conversations. I think it's incredibly important to open that door and start the conversation instead of instead of just turning everything off and saying yeah this just doesn't exist. Do I think do we think That Paul. Is legit. like like from an alien perspective because obviously he is legit and the governmental like capacity feel like he Yeah, I certainly this first time I've heard of Paul. I sir, I certainly don't know but because I do believe in them.

42:27 Yes. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. Yeah, again, and this is, this happens with all kinds of people that then you start talking about Things that make me go. Why did you say that? Now, I think you're a crazy person. I know you throw in the Illuminati. I think that, I think that we have covered a couple of things that are huge red flags or red herrings. Excuse me, huge red herrings. Hey pay attention. This pay attention to this. Don't pay attention the actual shit then like is important, right, right. That is, that's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting.

43:08 And I feel like it happens often. Yeah, I agree. It's a great. Example of it happening, huh? So I have a question back when you said in 2011, I think when he comes out to the mail or something of that nature, Do you have the example when he was talking about the, a UFOs or whatever? I mean do you have an you can you give us? Do you happen to know of any exact examples of stories or things of him talking about literally seeing a ship or seeing an alien or so he did have he did have an example of him, seeing a ship, a specifically shipped out that was the first thing that he came out with was thanks.

43:58 Giving he went outside and he saw a ship, was it in a governmental capacity. Knows he was at his house and he looks outside and he saw the whatever he thought would not a star, not a plane, not a whatever, was there anything beyond that? They gave him, that gave a specific situation where he's like, he's like I talked to this or this or I. Yeah, or I have witnessed autopsy or I worked on this plane or this ship or that mean Are you aware of any? Thing like that or is it just him talking? He said he's never met an alien. And this in another article by The Daily Mail, he said or excuse me talking about This was the Russian interview that the daily mail's covering and he says look, I've never actually met an alien myself, but I've seen them.

44:53 I've never met a tall white. I've never shook hands with them, but I saw them outside of my cabin, mmm, which is where he said, he saw up in the sky after Thanksgiving. Okay. He but he just goes on to describe different types of aliens, so like, I told you about the tall whites who are working with the US, Air Force and Nevada. So hey guys, if you're in if you're in Nevada near the Air Force Base there, go and see if you can find any tall, white people take a picture. Yeah, take a picture, share it with us. You know, you can find a sauna on all social media at the bazaar EF. So he actually said, we're that the tall whites are able to get. This is another quote that I'm like, this is fucking bitch. He said they're able to get away with that. They had a couple of their ladies dressed as nuns to go into Las Vegas to shop and they weren't detected dressed as nuns.

45:53 They go into Las Vegas off of the military base going to Las Vegas shop as tall whites would write because that makes sense. Let's go. It's like it's almost like they're dressed. Like, how often do you see fucking nuns just in public anyway. And out of all the places, Las Vegas, the city of sin, Right, I guess when you're, when you're saying it in that way, like it makes sense because it because so many crazy people. Well, it's just so weird. It's such a bizarre thing is his with full of weird people. Anyway, so you're like, oh, that fits. But I would think that, okay? Like, if you're trying to like to go undercover in a different culture, like you would still stick out like a sore thumb, like, oh, what are we gonna do? We're gonna cover our head put on habits like all this shit, right?

46:40 And we're gonna go into the city of sin and start shopping like Now it's so it's so peculiar and bizarre that it makes zero sense. You're like maybe it's plausible because it's so crazy. How crazy it's so crazy. Maybe it is possible. Yeah. Like what would an alien race? Do something fucking outlandish because they don't know any better, they don't know the. Yeah, it's like, children like saying something or doing something, totally, not okay, by our culture. Cultural standards. Right? So he said he was saying that, then he said there's a there's a another A group of islands. We talked about the short Grace who have so slim arms and are about five feet, high or tall with large heads. That's the standard one that we know about right? Like the grey aliens.

47:25 Okay, yeah. And then the third group is called Nordic blondes and if you were at this is the one that I was actually talking about. If you were to to meet one that you probably wonder if they're from Denmark or somewhere. Like that's these are these are the things that mr. Hollyer is saying and you're like fuck dude. Like yeah, you're giving us know. I believe in aliens. Okay, cool. Yeah. We all do, like, the will join the fucking club, right? But no, like, no hard proof. No like, hey look, yeah. I have a friend who's a top official in the government, or, I know through the grapevine, I'm not going to fucking name names because that could risk them or whatever they said. This is what's happening. He's not saying any of this. He's saying I've never met a fucking alien, but this is what's going on.

48:08 It's like Paul. We don't believe you. Exactly. I mean, we believe that you believe this and we believe it, we believe in aliens. Yes. But you're not helping anything. You're just, you're just couldn't like really confusing everything right now and then you're just throwing it. All this shit that you have like a stake in our, a claim in which is fucking environmental stuff because you're serving on boards for that. Like I don't know, it's just it's it's really confusing. He when I first saw and heard of him I thought Thought fuck like this is exactly what we need. We need someone who's like, yeah, like in the government. Like who knows what he's doing? Tell her like it is.

48:51 I'll tell it like it is like the fuck it. Like fuck the man. Like I'm speaking for the people like I'm all about that but but then the two just like goes off that Illuminati and like all this other esoteric shit that going like nuns fucking dressing up in Nevada. Like this is very, very weird. You're ruining it. Paul, you're totally ruining at Paul so I don't know our thoughts. Yay or nay again I'm maybe pieces pieces. Yes him. But it's like, it's like going to a trial. Those lawyers will discredit the shit out of you and say, make you say things that make you sound like, cray cray and then you don't believe anything. You're like well, how can I believe anything you say? Because you're fucking not.

49:35 Yeah, you're a total. You're a total nut. So purse. Yes. In fact, you know what it's time for what? Wow crazy, you're crazy girl. Paul gets that Paul does get that well Palm, you know, thank you for being some some fun, interesting. You know, topic thanks for giving us a discussion. Yeah. And and potentially like, you know, who knows maybe some other people heard him talking about like, you know, maybe they gave him some stories. Maybe. Maybe it made them think like, yeah, the, the people of the world need. I know that this stuff exists. Maybe it allowed for stories to come out that potentially way back. Yeah, maybe.

50:20 So I'll give him a, you're crazy, but but yeah, Donny. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, exactly, cool. Thanks for the great discussion. Thank you to Paul. Thank you Paul. You know. Peace. Pour one out for you. He's peace. Yeah, thank you for. Thank you for being here. For me with that one. We will see you on a couple weeks. Yes. Just in a couple of weeks. Okay, see ya. See ya. Bye.