Close Encounters of All Kinds

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Hello, Bizarre Story friends.
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I'm Kevin.
I'm going to be your host for

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today's episode, and as always,
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Keep a skeptical ear, but keep

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listening to those facts as we
take you on our newest journey,

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close encounters of all kinds.
Well hello everyone and please

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And another.

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Hi, how are you?

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I'm doing well.
How are you today?

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I'm good.
I'm really excited about this

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Are you?
What's new and crazy in your

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Nothing.

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2025 all the the last podcast
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that as well but I have yeah
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Did you dread January?

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Does it look?
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I care so much about my health.
Clearly we don't do that.

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Like there are better.
There are actually, there are

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some things that that are good,
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Also just trying to be a decent
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You know, I'm just, I'm just
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must listen to our podcast the
day that they aired.

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That's a great resolution.
Yes, Yes.

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Yes, yes.
Yes.

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Agreed.
Agreed.

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Now you think about.
It absolutely, yeah.

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You just.
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You get new.
You're trying to learn something

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Subscribe yeah, yeah, yeah.
But what we have, we have brand

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about yeah.

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So I'm.
Sure, Alicia, that you've heard

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of the movie close Encounters of
a Third Kind?

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I have, yeah.
That's.

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Have you seen that movie?
You know what?

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I I feel bad because I've not
seen the movie.

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You've never seen the movie.
I've never seen it.

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I've never seen it, but it's a
Steven Spielberg, right?

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It is.
OK, it is.

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So I mean, and now if you are to
watch it now, you'd be kind of

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probably be like it was a little
slow just cause movies moved to

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a slower pace back then.
Right.

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Yeah.
But I really think you need to

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watch.
It, I feel like it's scary.

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No, no, no, no.
I feel like if you are into

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weird stuff, this is something
that everyone talks about.

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They're like, Oh my gosh, close
Encounters.

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Like that's a, it's a
terminology that everyone knows

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about.
I don't know what each kind is,

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but this is the third kind.
This.

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Yeah, The movie's about the
third kind.

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OK, we're gonna talk about all
kinds.

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I'm so stoked.
For it, we're gonna talk about

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who came up with it, OK?
Why they came up with it?

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What is it?
Yeah.

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And if there's three, is there
not one and two, perhaps more?

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Yeah, right, right.
I don't even know what 1 and 2

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is, right.
Like I need.

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Yeah, we always.
Hear about close to counter the

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third kind.
That's all we ever hear about,

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yeah.
Yeah.

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Absolutely.
So we're gonna talk about all of

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that schnaz.
Good.

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So the classification system
itself comes from an astronomer

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who was at The Ohio State
University, and his name was Mr.

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Haynik HAHYNEK Joseph Allen.
OK, I'm going to call him Joseph

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because he and I, you know, kind
of like buds.

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You guys are you guys are bed.
Buds OK, so Joseph was born in

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1910.
He died in 1986, and as I said,

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he was an astronomer, he was a
professor and he was a

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ufologist.
We love that.

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We love that we.
Love a scholar that's also a

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ufologist?
Now, he's probably when you come

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up with his name, when you
mentioned his name in that, is

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that people are, they know him
as a Ufologist.

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That's kind of not.
They don't go, oh, he was a

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remainder or, you know, yeah,
it's not he's a ufologist,

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right.
But really an astronomer.

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I mean, that's how his life
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Studying the stars.
Yeah, and he acted as a

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scientific advisor on UFO
studies undertaken by the US Air

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Force.
This is how he became a

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Ufologist and he was worked
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They were called Project Sign,
Project Grudge and Project Blue

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Book.
We know.

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We definitely know.
We know about one.

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Of these, yeah.
So have you heard of Project

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Sign?
No, no, I don't know what that

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is.
OK, so very short lived.

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OK Sign and Grudge were very
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So Project Sign was established
in 481948.

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OK, it ended in 49 and it was
led by the Air Force General, a

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guy by a guy by the name of
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Twin Twinning.
Twinning.

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I like the T twinning.
And he was the head of Air

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Technical Service Command.
Okay, now, initially this

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project was called Project
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Yeah, that's too obvy.
They're like no too obvy girl.

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You know what?
We would really love to be able

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to call it what it actually is,
which is my saucers, but maybe

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people would get it a little
bit.

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So we have to be a little bit
more mysterious.

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It's called sign.
Yeah, because that's like around

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the time of like Roswell and
stuff, right?

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Totes.
OK, totes so and like, you know,

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all of this, it was right after
World War 2 and people were like

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what the fuck is in the sky?
And, and we had that and.

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We're gonna get into Project
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Oh.
OK, OK, OK, OK.

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Yeah, yeah, it all connects.
So, so the goal of Project Sign

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was to collect, evaluate and
distribute within the government

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all information that they could
find relating to UFOs.

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This is kind of like the
beginning of it, of disclosure,

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yes, of the research and the
let's try to get all of our

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information together and see
what's real and what isn't real

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and.
Right, because during that time,

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military, right, the military
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of a war.
We still had a ton of military

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personnel.
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So this stuff is happening.
Let's try to organize it because

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we have the folks to do so.
Sure.

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So that it makes sense that you
you'd start these projects,

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maybe not call them Project
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Martian or, you know, Green Guy.
Yeah, Yeah, probably a good

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idea, yeah.
So and then they want to

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obviously make their, their
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it didn't interfere with
national security, as does a

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broadband.
Everything's, yeah, national

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security.
OK, so when Project Sign hired

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our buddy Joseph, yeah, he was a
complete skeptic of UFOs, 100%.

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He's like UFOs from UFO, right?
And he suspected that really,

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these were all unreliable
witnesses.

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They were people that had
ultimately just misidentified

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stuff, not normal stuff.
Right, they're not, as do all

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debunkers.
Yes, yeah, they're not pilots,

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so they don't know what what
planes look like.

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Key right there.
Yeah.

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And they don't know the new
technology.

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They don't know, you know,
they're not aware of, you know,

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propulsion systems and how they
work.

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And of course, there would be a
lot of money in it, so they

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probably have.
Yeah.

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It makes sense that he would be
rational because that's what you

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want to sign.
And he's a scientist.

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Exactly.
Astrologer, scientist.

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Stars.
Yeah.

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It's like.
Box, Yeah.

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See Prove.
Yeah, astronomy's a huge.

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It's it's it's a science.
Yeah.

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So he in 48 our buddy was quoted
as saying the whole subject

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seems utterly ridiculous and he
describes it as a fad that would

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soon pass.
Well, let's say.

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Well.
Sorry, buddy, this I wish it

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were just a fad and we just
we're into, you know, space and,

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you know, going to the moon and,
you know, meeting, you know,

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friends there.
But we're in 2025 letting.

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Past that girl.
If she only knew.

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If she only knew.
It's really wishful thinking.

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So in his 1970.
He writes a book in 1977 by the.

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Way OK.
Years later, he said that he

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actually enjoyed his role as a
debunker for the Air Force, and

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that debunking was what the Air
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Which makes sense.
I mean, that was his ultimate

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goal.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I mean, you're hiring a
scientist.

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You want the person to be able
like, the better thing is we

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know exactly what's going on.
Here's how we can say that it's

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just a weather balloon or, or
it's it's just like a fraction

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of light that stopped off of a
cloud and then something

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freaking happened.
But you can't.

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You just don't understand
because you're a layman.

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You're a dummy.
You're a dum dum and.

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It's just a dust orp.
Yeah, it's just a dust.

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It's just a dust orp.
You're just a dumb dumb.

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Of course they'd want a
scientist to debunk everything,

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and of course he would want to
be able to debunk everything.

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Of course, because.
Then you.

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Look at him.
Yeah, yeah.

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Hey, I just proved that this is
not in fact.

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See, I'm very capable.
And you have an answer.

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A nice cut answer.
Which I, as a scientist, love

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you.
Want, yeah.

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So then project sign then turns
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OK now Project Grudge was also
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It was the purpose of Project
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public anxiety over UFOs and
persuade the public that UFOs

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constituted nothing unusual or
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That was the point.
So the the point is to say there

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is no such thing.
Don't look behind the the

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curtain, right?
Whether there was or not.

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It was that was the.
That was his purpose.

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OK, so we always ask about like,
oh, disinformation and like.

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Uh huh.
So this is saying straight up.

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Disinformation.
Yes.

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That's exactly.
This is not a, it's not a

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tinfoil hat thing.
It's a reality.

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That's the whole point of.
His role?

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Right.
And this project.

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So UFO exciting were explained
as balloons, conventional

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aircraft, planets, meteors,
optical illusions, solar

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reflections, large hailstones.
Yeah.

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OK, OK, sorry, but you know the
the two of you, you see, you see

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you.
I know that you guys are both

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thinking that, but this is a big
old flying saucer.

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Really.
It's a big old car.

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Hailstone.
A big old car size Hailstone

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right that moved strangely in
the right but once again.

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Perfectly spherical, floating,
Nothing.

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Any.
Sound there is no storm going

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on.
It is but it but it was a freak

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of nature accident which
actually, you know occurs.

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I mean we've been talking about
this so many times it's like and

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this is proof that this actually
has happened and there are

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legitimate projects within the
government that I have shown

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yes, that's their whole goal.
The whole goal is just

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information and trying to keep
the information that they do

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have from infiltrating the
public.

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Like exactly.
It's a weather balloon.

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You don't know what weather
balloons look like

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meteorologists do, but how many
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You know, that's right.
Makes sense.

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So project officials recommended
that the project be reduced in

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scope because the very existence
of the Air Force official

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interest, encouraging people to
believe in UF OS contributed to

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this, what they called a war
hysteria atmosphere.

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So that the pure nature that
they're focusing energy on

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debunking it makes people not,
you know, go what the hell?

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Yeah, so which it's still, so it
still does create a hysteria.

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It still does create.
But but you know, I mean, we

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talk about like War of the
Worlds and that when they had

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first broadcast that it was just
a reading of people have said,

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oh, maybe we'll talk about this
in the future.

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But people have said it was
actually just like a touch base

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that the the government was
trying to see how people's

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reaction would be to aliens
flying in the sky and it was not

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good.
No, people were.

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Scared people were scared people
were like burning things down,

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looting like it was like that's
the end of the world, right.

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So it's like these are these are
legitimate, you know, concerns

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yes.
If the public does know, I know

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they can't handle it, but
potentially.

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So what?
Yeah, it's.

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I guess it's a fine line.
I, I, I think that it's a fine

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line between, you know, scaring
the hell out of people with a

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fictional story and like,
literally people like, have you

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ever listened to War of the
World?

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Clips I don't think I've
listened to beginning and.

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Ending.
People are screaming in it.

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It sounds like pandemonium.
It sounds like there is a war

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that's going on and people are
like fucking.

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Panicked and they don't know any
different.

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It's just radio, girl.
It's just radio and they can't

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see anything, right?
So it's like so they don't know.

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Then it adds and.
They broadcasted it in such a

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way that made that people had no
idea that it was fiction, right?

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They didn't know.
It was an if you caught it in

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the middle when the invasion
happened and you're listening.

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To an it's like.
You have the alarm going off,

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you have people going.
Oh my God, God, my child was oh,

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whatever.
And things are burning and you

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know, whatever it's it's like
this.

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It's a dramatized read that is
supposed to sound like reality.

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They did not issue, you know,
these statements before, you

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know, they maybe issued it right
before, but not before the

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segments.
So people thought that it was

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actually, it was happening and
it was a newscast that was

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happening, which would make
sense as to why the public or

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the the government would think
this is how the public's going

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to react in reality.
It's like, yeah, it's because

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it's a dramatized reading and
there was no, like, context for

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it.
These people just thought, so I

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get both sides.
But also, can we treat our the

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public like they have a brain?
That's just it too.

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That's just it too.
But do they?

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Because we see how they behave.
No, no, no, because, because we

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have drones flying overhead and
orbs and they're like, yeah,

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we're watching them.
Why right?

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You're.
Just watching them.

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Yeah, we're not.
It's fine.

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We're we're observing them.
It's fine.

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It's like, no, no, no.
Why don't you just tell us?

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Because at this point, there's
been so much information.

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Right.
Because if you don't care about

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them, tell us why you don't care
about them.

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Yes, tell me that.
There's no context.

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There's like, you don't even
you're not even saying why you

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don't care.
Well, it's because John Bob is

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an asshole and he's you're not
even saying that.

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Yeah, and I understand from a
like a what is it like a just

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being able to protect like if
you're if you have new

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technology, why you would not
want that to be known?

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Yes, I understand that.
Yes, but at the same time give

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us a fucking bone that but.
Give us a bone.

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Give us some kind of a bone.
Otherwise, we're just going to

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be like a dog without a bone.
So we're trying to, we are

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trying to fill in the blanks.
And what happens when humans

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fill in the blanks?
Then there's then there's

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distrust.
We start distrusting, you know,

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these powers that be, which I
would say is currently the

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environment that we're living
in.

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We start distrusting like what
the media is telling us.

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We start not believing anything
that they're saying, oh, we

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can't trust the government
because they're clearly lying to

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us.
We can't trust, you know, our

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officials, They're, they have,
you know, so how are we going to

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fill in the blanks?
I don't know.

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I don't know.
That's why we're we are talking

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about this kind of stuff
exactly, but they've been, we

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don't have the answers.
We don't have the answers.

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We just ask the questions.
It makes sense.

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So on December 27th in 1949, the
Air Force says ixnay on the edge

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Gray.
Let's start Project Blue Book.

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Oh, OK, OK, so so saucer turns
into.

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Grudge Grudge turns into.
Blue Book.

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OK.
So it's kind of in a

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continuation.
Exactly so.

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Blue Book was the code name for
a systematic study of UFOs by

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the United States Air Force from
March 1952 to its termination in

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69.
Now this bad boy lasted.

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Right, that's, that's what, 16
years?

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Yeah.
Yeah. 980.

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Yeah. 98.
Yeah.

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Yeah 1716.
Seventeen.

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Yeah.
Project was headquartered in

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Wright Peterson Air Force Base
in Ohio, and it was directed by

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a guy, a Captain Edward Rupelt.
Now the project had two goals,

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namely to determine if UFOs were
what a national security threat,

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and then to scientifically
analyze data.

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So.
Whatever Data, data, data.

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OK, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So thousands of UFO reports were
collected, analyzed and filed.

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And as a result, there's
something called a Condon

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report.
Oh, I've heard of this.

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OK.
You need to rate it girl.

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OK.
Crazy.

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OK, adding it to my To Do List.
Yeah, I'm not going to go and do

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it here because we're going to
completely derail.

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OK, we really got.
That but it concluded that the

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study of UFOs was unlikely to
yield major scientific

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discoveries and review of the
report by the National Academy

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of Sciences Project Blue Book
was terminated in 69.

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They're like, Nah, we're not
gonna get anywhere and it's not

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gonna be really beating anything
useful.

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And national security, I'm not
worried about it there.

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So yeah, let's a waste of time.
Let's just cancel this.

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Yeah, let's cancel this.
Let's cancel this.

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But they were doing it for 16
years.

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OK.
They decided to change the name

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from Saucer to Grudge.
Yeah.

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Which Saucer to Grudge?
OK, Grudge.

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Yeah, like we all have a grudge.
Whatever.

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Well, actually it was saucer to
sign to grudge to Blue Book.

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That's.
Right, yeah, Saucer to sign,

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which reminds me of Signs the
movie to Grudge and then Project

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Blue Book.
Yeah.

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So this has been going on.
It's had like 4 different

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freaking names and it's just
not.

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We don't need to continue this.
This are they what?

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What is this they?
So they were gathering

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information this whole time,
right?

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And gathering information on
these like flying objects and

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then trying to decide whether or
not they're a threat.

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Those were the two goals.
Right.

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Yeah.
So the Air Force supplies this

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as the summary of their
investigation, right?

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These three things no UFOs
reported, investigated, and

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evaluated by the Air Force was
ever an indication of a threat

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to national security.
No evidence submitted or

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discovered by the Air Force that
sightings categorized as

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unidentified represented
technological developments or

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principles beyond the range of
modern scientific knowledge.

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And lastly, there was no
evidence indicating that

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sightings categorized as
unidentified or

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extraterrestrial.
So cancelled.

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Lies.
This is such bullshit lies.

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So they started off with this
with the name of like Project

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Saucer.
Like.

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What the fuck?
I'm sorry, the name is Saucer.

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We had nothing.
We can look back in time and

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it's been what, 80 years or 70
years, whatever, since this

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project has started.
So it's been almost a century.

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We don't have anything.
Anything.

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Well, maybe a drone or something
like that, but nothing that

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looks like a fucking saucer.
So you're telling me that the

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government since the 1940s has
had technology or some

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government has had technology
that looks like a saucer that

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looks like a saucer?
I've not seen it, but and yet

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they have declassified like, you
know, like big ass drones and

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spy surveillance that look
nothing like a fucking saucer.

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So they're straight up lying.
Straight up.

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They're lying.
Lying.

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Oh hey girls and boys, if you're
watching, take a look at this.

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OK, as we, you know, because we
love to digress at the bizarre.

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AFI mean, we love to go on
soapboxes and tangents.

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And that's just our that's our
jam.

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Especially when it comes to
this.

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Take a look at this girl.
Remember this?

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Oh my God yes I do.
I remember this.

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This was the episode that scared
the shit out of me and I

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actually had a really hard time
like sleeping for.

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OK, you tell me that.
You tell me that you're gonna,

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you're gonna see that and you're
gonna go me.

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Yeah, that's nothing.
And and it's that video that you

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had shown and you can like if
you zoom in.

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You can see the fucking heads
and eyes.

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You can see heads and eyes that
look a lot bigger than ours, and

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they do look like those, like
almond, like big old beetly

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shaped eyes.
The Grays, the Grays.

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That's exactly what it was.
Like, don't tell me that that's

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not a saucer.
It's.

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A saucer.
Dude, it's a saucer.

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You idiots and stop lying to me.
Stop it.

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And like, it's, it's the same
conversation.

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It's like, it's like we're in a
relationship with a narcissist.

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Right.
And they're gaslighting us.

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They're gaslighting.
That's exactly it.

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That's it.
That's exactly it.

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OK, that's U.S. government.
Stop it.

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We, we love you.
We love to hate you.

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We have a love hate
relationship.

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Yeah, but you need to stop
gaslighting.

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Stop it.
Immediately.

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Like we thought you were cute
before, but now get off of your

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soapbox, OK?
We can have a much more deeper

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intimate relationship if you
just stop gaslighting us.

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It's God.
Fuck you for the love of God.

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For the love of God.
So by the time Project Blue Book

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ended, it had collected 12,618
reports and concluded that most

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of them were misidentifications
of natural phenomenon.

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You know, like clouds and stars
and dust orps and dust Orps and

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conventional aircraft.
No.

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And according to the National
Reconnaissance Office, a number

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of the reports could be
explained by flights of the

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formerly secret reconnaissance
planes, if, you know, EU twos

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and the A twelves and those
things.

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So, OK, maybe right 'cause we
didn't know about them.

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They're secret.
They're like, yeah, OK, yeah,

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OK.
That's fine.

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Yeah, some of that.
Yeah, OK, sure.

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But 701 were classified as
unexplained even after

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stringent.
And now, like they couldn't.

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They're like, I don't know.
We don't know. 700 Oh and one.

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And and that one, that one that
you just showed us, yeah.

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And.
That one, That one.

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Well, OK, so they're like, yeah,
these ones we weren't really

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able to make anything out of,
but right.

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But chances are.
We know that it's fine.

459
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,080
Yeah, it's fine.
Sounds a lot like the current

460
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,880
conversation.
OK.

461
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Thank you for saying that
because that's what I was going

462
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,600
to say.
It's almost like a full circle

463
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,280
moment.
Yes, yeah, because it sounds

464
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,520
like.
Right where we are.

465
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,440
Yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're
the government is still telling

466
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,320
us, yeah, those things in the
sky that are flying above

467
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,880
people's homes and not just the
things that are flying above

468
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,520
people's homes.
The orbs.

469
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,680
Like they don't even talk about
the orbs.

470
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,560
They're talking about the
drones.

471
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,720
Which the drones, Yeah, fucking
whatever.

472
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Sure, they're drones and you
guys are just spying on your

473
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,880
people like whatever.
Or China, It's like whatever the

474
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,480
fucking case may be.
But it's the same rhetoric.

475
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,200
It's the same conversation where
they're saying, yeah, we are

476
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,480
watching them, these 701, you
know, things that we can't

477
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,640
identify.
We're we're monitoring them.

478
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800
You're monitoring them.
Yeah.

479
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,200
And then we're and it's like,
Nah.

480
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600
And in fact, are we really
blowing them?

481
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,240
No, because I don't think
they're anything.

482
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,520
Yeah, yeah.
They're not anything.

483
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,920
You can't even say what they
are.

484
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,040
Right.
Are we going crazy?

485
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,960
See, doesn't it feel like that?
Yes, yeah, it it feels like

486
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640
that.
And there's some like political

487
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,200
stuff that happens too where I
go.

488
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,040
Am I the crazy one?
Like am I being crazy?

489
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,840
No.
I don't feel like I'm the one

490
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,080
being crazy.
No, I would say out of the both

491
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320
of us, I feel like you're much
more measured than I am.

492
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,240
But no, you're not going crazy
like this, is it?

493
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,960
Is it is what is it that do you
know that saying I know Judge,

494
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,880
Judge Judy loves it, but it's
like, don't piss on my leg and

495
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,120
tell me it's raining.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me

496
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,120
it's raining, right?
Like what?

497
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,000
What are we?
What are we doing here?

498
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,080
Where?
Like, of course we're not going

499
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,720
to believe them.
It's the same story.

500
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,840
See, that's how I think all of
our stuff kind of interconnects

501
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,000
because our episode last week
with Bluebeam.

502
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Bluebeam.
Yeah, like, OK, well, it makes

503
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,160
sense if that's what they're
doing.

504
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,920
So if you didn't listen to last
week, this conversation connects

505
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,640
into last week's in that in that
respect that where they're

506
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,040
making us feel like they're
fucking crazy.

507
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Yeah, where you're questioning,
like we are questioning our

508
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,400
reality in various ways.
Like, you know, there's also

509
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,200
natural disasters, you know,
that are happening currently.

510
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,440
But, and they always will.
But yeah, it's like you do feel

511
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,360
like you're.
What's the truth?

512
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,920
What is the truth and like which
way is up?

513
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,600
It's like, I know what my
reality is, but you're telling

514
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,360
me that it's something
different.

515
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:36,280
That's the other thing too.
Like they will tell you some

516
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,840
things that you just don't know,
right?

517
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,160
And maybe you'll get conflicting
reports.

518
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,080
You're like, what's true, what's
not?

519
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,960
But then there's things where
like but bitch, I just saw some

520
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,080
this and you're telling me I
didn't see that Eat me.

521
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,440
Gaslighting.
Gaslighting.

522
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,840
They are gaslighting us.
Why?

523
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Why?
Blue Beam as an is a is a

524
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,840
possibility project.
Blue Beam is a possibility

525
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560
different than Blue Book.
By the way, you must love the

526
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,080
word blue.
I know.

527
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,960
Blue is a thing.
OK, so I digress.

528
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,520
Back to why we're here today to
talk about Mr. Joseph.

529
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,400
So now we understand how he
connects yes to the bigger

530
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,160
picture.
Right, he's been a part of all

531
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,360
these projects.
He's been part of all of the

532
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:37,400
shenanigans.
So in April of 1953, Joseph

533
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,320
writes a report for the Journal
of the Optical Society of

534
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,920
America.
You ever heard of that?

535
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,120
It sounds boring as fuck.
Doesn't it?

536
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,600
Like I think I would?
Oh totally.

537
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Just my eyes would cross.
Yeah, you fall asleep too.

538
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,760
And it was titled Usual Aerial
Phenomena.

539
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Usual.
Usual.

540
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Oh, wait, no, unusual.
Oh.

541
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,280
OK.
I was hoping.

542
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Yeah, OK.
I type what there it's.

543
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,920
Unusual.
Unusual.

544
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,440
OK, that makes sense.
That makes more sense.

545
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,600
OK.
Which sounds a lot like

546
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,240
unidentified, right?
Because he probably didn't want

547
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,040
to use UFO, right?
Because we'll get into the into

548
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040
it in a minute.
Because he has some regrets.

549
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Oh, OK, good to know.
OK.

550
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Because remember, he was part of
the project of grunge, right?

551
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Was all.
Like how?

552
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,080
We need to have you just explain
this.

553
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,920
Scold you like, that's stupid.
Don't be stupid, silly goose.

554
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,960
You're not smart.
That's why you don't know what's

555
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,080
in the sky.
So this is one of his best known

556
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,560
statements.
He says, quote, ridicule is not

557
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,480
part of the scientific method,
and people should not be taught

558
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,960
that it is.
The steady flow of reports,

559
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,440
often made in concert by
reliable observers, raises

560
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,000
questions of scientific
obligation and responsibility.

561
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Is there any residue that is
worth that is worthy of

562
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,600
scientific attention?
And if there isn't, does not an

563
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:31,600
obligation exist to say so to
the public in words of open, not

564
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,520
in words of open ridicule, but
seriously, to keep faith with

565
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,640
the trust of the public in
places, in science and in with

566
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,560
scientists?
Bingo.

567
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Thank you.
Thank you.

568
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,400
Joseph, we love you.
OK, but but yeah, that's that's

569
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,280
exactly it.
It's like, OK, we know what this

570
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,960
is, why are we not sharing it
with people?

571
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,960
Why is there secrecy?
Don't ridicule them.

572
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Don't tell them that they're
being Cray Cray.

573
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Yeah, here's here's an actual.
This is what this is.

574
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Yeah.
Why why, why the secrecy?

575
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Why the secrecy behind?
Like, if you're trying to be a

576
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,640
scientist, everything should.
The data should be shared with

577
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800
everyone to a point where there
is no question.

578
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,120
There's no question about your
theory.

579
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640
There's no question about.
But we've seen enough movies to

580
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,080
know that the scientist wants to
Get the facts out there, but

581
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,440
there's always some other reason
why someone else doesn't, be it

582
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,440
political, monetary power, all
these other things that take

583
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280
precedence over the scientific
knowledge.

584
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,280
Absolutely.
Always.

585
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Yep, Yep.
It's never like, because what is

586
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,160
it?
What?

587
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,640
We said it in the last episode.
Absolute power corrupts

588
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,600
absolutely.
Period.

589
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,000
So yeah, when you have other
people who are pulling the

590
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
strings.
Yeah, the scientist loses out.

591
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Exactly.
So I believe I this, I believe

592
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,160
his statement that he just said
was largely stemmed from his

593
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,560
involvement with the Robertson
Robertson panel.

594
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Have you heard of this?
No, I'm not.

595
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Which ultimately concluded there
was nothing anomalous about

596
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,840
UFOs, nothing crazy.
I mean, I'm completely

597
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,880
summarizing, right.
OK.

598
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,320
And that a public relations
campaign should be undertaken to

599
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,560
debunk the subject and ridicule
public interest.

600
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,080
That's ultimately what this
Robertson panel ended up with.

601
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,560
And he later said and thought
about that.

602
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,960
The Robertson panel was really,
really what made UFOs a

603
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,760
disreputable field of study.
That is really what did it.

604
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,360
And it just kept going from
there.

605
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,720
OK, OK.
That makes OK.

606
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,320
So this makes a lot of sense
because initially, you know,

607
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,600
when we like Roswell had
happened, right?

608
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200
You know, you had journalists
and people who are like, they're

609
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,840
like, oh, hey, look, like even
the police officers are like,

610
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,480
what the fuck is in this field
here?

611
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,480
We're going to take pictures of
it.

612
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,239
We're going to post it in the
newspaper.

613
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,920
And people are like, Oh my God,
what is this?

614
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Now these people are seen Betty
and Barney Hill.

615
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,639
They won't do it.
They they will not come out

616
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,800
because you are ridiculed, your
name is tarnished.

617
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,120
You're not seen as a as a person
who you know, thinks logically,

618
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,320
who thinks, you know, soundly,
who has their brain together.

619
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,960
You're seen as that person
reporters and newspapers,

620
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,920
reporters and newspapers, They
won't even touch this, the 10

621
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,840
foot pole.
No, I mean, and that's been for

622
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,719
years and years and years.
It's not until very, very

623
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,719
recently that.
Can you hear that?

624
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,240
We're having someone thank you.
So but you have these reporters

625
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,000
and stuff that wouldn't touch it
till with a 10 foot pole until

626
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,080
recently when there was such
like stringic like like very

627
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,840
strict proof from military
professionals from pilots who

628
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,120
knew how, you know, planes and
things worked and worked for the

629
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
military on secret government
projects.

630
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,280
Like these were the only people
who were seen as potentially

631
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,480
valid within the, you know, the
sphere of, you know, any kind of

632
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,600
journalistic, you know,
disclosure like.

633
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,760
And it makes sense that the
Robertson panel would their

634
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,480
entire purpose was to discredit
these people who had experiences

635
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,640
they could not explain exactly.
They could not put it in in a

636
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,400
tightly wrapped box.
Nope.

637
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,520
And you so you start ridiculing
them, you start debunking them

638
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,000
and you say this is our our
goals going forward.

639
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,000
And so that's just carried
forward.

640
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,480
I mean, that's just, it's only
until recent.

641
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,680
I mean, only recently have we
started getting more reports of

642
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,600
this and panels and things like
where people are kind of coming

643
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,320
more forward and less being less
ridiculed, scared and scared to

644
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,000
do it.
Only now.

645
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Yes, well, I.
Mean fuck.

646
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,400
I mean it's 8 if 70 years later,
yes.

647
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,400
I mean fuck.
And and so, so it's like it is a

648
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,080
systematic clearly from what
you're saying about the Rob

649
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,400
Robertson panel, this is a
systematic disinformation

650
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,160
project.
All they're trying to do is make

651
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,960
these people seem idiotic.
Yeah, that that they like have a

652
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,040
one screw loose.
And and you still see that

653
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,200
happening in various capacities.
It still happens.

654
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,080
With so it's like that really
sets the tone for disclosure in

655
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,400
the future.
I really.

656
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Effed everything to this very
day.

657
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Like what?
What are as human beings, what

658
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,880
we want?
We want to have a decent

659
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,760
reputation, especially if you've
worked for so long.

660
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Yes.
So, yes, your integrity and

661
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,120
everything you've been worked so
long for.

662
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,480
And then you tell the truth and
then people call you nuts.

663
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,600
I mean, that's it's a that's a
killer.

664
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Yeah.
To yourself, your soul, yes.

665
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,680
Yeah, what?
What a great tactic.

666
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,960
Idiots.
That's disgusting.

667
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:29,680
So another quote which I think
everyone should hear, he says.

668
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,640
As a scientist, I must be
mindful of the lessons of the

669
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,560
past.
All too often it has happened

670
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,920
that matters of great value to
science were overlooked or

671
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,800
ignored because it did not fit
the accepted outlook of the

672
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,080
time.
Oh my God.

673
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,800
Yeah.
That's like.

674
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,480
That's it.
That's 100% it.

675
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,160
What was it?
Oh, that we all, we thought that

676
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,640
everything revolved around the
Earth and not around the sun,

677
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,800
right?
All the planets, Sure.

678
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,520
And that it's like God forbid
you say that all the planets

679
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,520
revolve revolved around the sun
because then that means we're

680
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,040
not the fucking center of our
universe.

681
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,080
Exactly.
We're not.

682
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,360
By.
The way.

683
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,120
For sure we're not, but that was
like.

684
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,880
Yeah, that was it.
Yeah, it was seen as a travesty.

685
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,240
You're an idiot.
Like you don't know what the

686
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,560
hell you're.
Talking about so anything that

687
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,600
proved otherwise was.
So there's a history of this,

688
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,760
history of it.
Happening.

689
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,440
Exactly.
That's the point.

690
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,680
That's the point.
So years passed by, he's

691
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,520
becoming less and less a cynic.
Don't we see that all the time

692
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,120
though?
All the time?

693
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
What is?
It age like kind of makes you a.

694
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,800
Lot of more experience right?
And as long as you're open

695
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:59,560
minded and you accept truth for
what you it is, then we all know

696
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,920
we know this is true.
So of course you're going to

697
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
become less of a skeptic.
Right.

698
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Also, you're not trying to build
your career anymore.

699
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Exactly.
You're not trying to Exactly.

700
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,960
The Air Force isn't going.
Please debunk this.

701
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,440
Yeah, yeah.
You're not trying to climb up

702
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,720
the ladder and get all of these
alkalines anymore.

703
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,600
So he's becoming less of a
cynic, less of a debunker.

704
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,400
He's realizing things more and
more that a lot of this stuff is

705
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,480
real and and plausible.
So now he starts conducting his

706
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,720
own independent research outside
of.

707
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,360
A scientist for the people.
So he says I need to come up

708
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,320
with some sort of a
classification of things.

709
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,520
So I'm going to come up with a
close encounter classification.

710
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,520
That's what he he's like.
This is how I'm going to start

711
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,200
categorizing things.
Because you've seen a lot of

712
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,840
stuff, yeah.
How do I classify it?

713
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,160
And he was really among the
first of the people that we know

714
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,880
of to really start conducting
analysis of stuff independently.

715
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Because this is, you know,
fifties, right?

716
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480
There's just, this is all just
starting to come to light,

717
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,240
starting to come out there.
Who knows, maybe they're just

718
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,040
starting to visit.
I mean, who knows, whatever.

719
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,400
And so we're getting more and
more artifacts, more proof,

720
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,920
more.
Of these encounters, right?

721
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,880
And so he's starting to be able
to get the things that he needs

722
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,840
to investigate.
So he's one of the first to be

723
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,360
these independent investigators.
Good.

724
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Do you remember our episode
about Travis Walton?

725
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Oh, I cannot forget it.
Yeah.

726
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,920
Do you Remember Me talking about
a guy by the name of Philip

727
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,760
Class?
Oh.

728
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,640
It's ringing a bell.
Remind me?

729
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:55,440
Philip class who I call fill the
pill or clasp the ass.

730
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Right, right, right, right.
Right, OK is a UFO debunker.

731
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Right.
OK, yes, it's.

732
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,120
All and he was all up in
Travis's biz.

733
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Right.
Yeah.

734
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,200
All up in it.
Yeah, he was.

735
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,040
He was really OK.
He was really honestly trying to

736
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,240
to, you know, debunk everything
you had to say.

737
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,680
Oh 100% absolutely everything
and destroyed his life.

738
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,640
Was a fucking crazy person.
Right, right.

739
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Destroyed his life.
Destroyed his life?

740
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,280
Yes.
Yes.

741
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,040
The ass class.
The ass.

742
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,720
I mean, it makes me want to
vomit.

743
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,760
OK, so I don't like to give
those idiots a lot of attention,

744
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,240
but I will tell you that
Joseph's most prolific public

745
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:47,040
critics starts to become class.
Interesting, this is the

746
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,640
beginning of his criticisms.
Huh.

747
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,720
I mean, in fact, he starts
calling Joseph out by name.

748
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,720
I mean, that's how he's getting
on his radar.

749
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,840
Who does he work for?
Fill the pill or.

750
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,800
Fill the pill.
I don't himself, I think.

751
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560
I think it's just his mission in
life.

752
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,720
Gotcha, because he's just one of
those people.

753
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,520
He's a Karen.
Yeah, he's a Karen.

754
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,480
He's an alien, Karen.
Yeah.

755
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,040
So undeterred, Joseph continues
to create and investigate.

756
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,040
And he creates his
classification system and it has

757
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,760
6 levels and they're arranged in
the order of proximity.

758
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,800
So number numero Uno is what he
calls nocturnal lights.

759
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,080
And this is just lights in the
sky.

760
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Like you can't explain like
things that lights in the sky

761
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,520
that are lights in the sky,
nocturnal lights, that's what he

762
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:56,120
calls it #2 are daylight discs.
And these are UFOs that are seen

763
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,040
in the daytime, generally having
disc or Oval shape.

764
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,000
OK.
His third level was called Radar

765
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Visual.
Ah, OK, so if the if something

766
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,920
catches it.
Yep.

767
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,840
So UFO reports that have a radar
confirmation is what these are.

768
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,800
These are supposed to try to
offer harder evidence that the

769
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:24,840
objects are real.
Although radar propaganda can be

770
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,120
occasionally discredited due to
whatever atmospheric anomaly or

771
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,760
whatever, but.
It's an operator like an.

772
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Operator, Yeah, yeah #4 is close
encounter of the first kind,

773
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:46,360
which is CE1.
And this is visual sightings of

774
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,760
an unidentified flying object
seemingly less than 500 feet

775
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:57,520
away that show an appreciable
angular extension and

776
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,920
considerable detail.
Like it can't just be a dust

777
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,360
orb.
Like it has to be some detail to

778
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,440
it.
Like, you know that it's not an

779
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,080
alien, it's like a flying
saucer.

780
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,240
Yeah, it's not a plane in the
distance that you just can't

781
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,200
recognize.
It's.

782
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Like 100 feet away right there
kind of thing.

783
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:16,920
Yeah.
OK.

784
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Then there's close Encounters of
the Second Kind or CE2.

785
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,280
OK.
This is a UFO event in which a

786
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:34,200
physical effect is alleged.
This can be interference in a

787
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,560
functioning of a vehicle or
electronic device.

788
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,920
It could be animals reacting.
It could be a psychological

789
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,400
effect such as paralysis or heat
or discomfort in the witness.

790
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,480
It could be some physical trace,
like impressions in the ground,

791
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,240
scorches or other affected
vegetation, A chemical trace,

792
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,600
radiation trace, Right.
Yeah.

793
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,480
OK.
Those are the second kind.

794
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,040
OK.
Then we get close encounters of

795
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:12,200
the third kind, which is CE3.
These are UFO encounters in

796
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,960
which an animated entity is
present, Your favorite kind.

797
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,080
And these include humanoids,
robots.

798
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,360
His word?
Not always.

799
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,280
Interesting, he says.
Robots.

800
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,440
And humans who seem to be
occupants or pilots of an

801
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:40,320
object.
Wait, what?

802
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,760
What?
Yeah, OK.

803
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,760
When did he, when did he start
this?

804
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,880
When was this that he started
this classification?

805
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,200
Started in the 50s.
Are you fucking kidding me?

806
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,400
Are you kidding me?
I am like, like, my mind is

807
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:04,720
blown right now, OK, Because he
mentions, he mentions, OK, it

808
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,040
could be like a little Gray
alien, you know, big old

809
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,920
eyeballs, you know, green or
Gray or whatever.

810
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,760
Doesn't really look human, but
humanoid kind of thing.

811
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,200
He says.
Robots.

812
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,720
Interesting.
Word which people have thought

813
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,320
the potentially Grays are robots
or like the smaller Grays are

814
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,920
robots.
But in the 50s, weren't robots,

815
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,400
I think, like yes, yes, yes,
yes.

816
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Yes, yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

817
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,240
They definitely were.
They definitely were.

818
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,240
So is that?
Where does it get the word?

819
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,760
I'll give you that.
Oh, I'm gonna meet.

820
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Oh, robots.
Those are scamming.

821
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,240
What was it the Jetsons with?
Rosie, Rosie.

822
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Yeah, Rosie was great.
Oh, Will Robinson.

823
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,480
Will Robinson Danger Robinson?
Danger.

824
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

825
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,720
These things, these things had
come out.

826
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,120
What was the original 1950s
movie with the where the the big

827
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,640
robot that comes Keanu Reeves
redid the movie.

828
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,120
Oh, Keanu Rios.
Yes, and he was an alien and it

829
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,680
was the big robots that just
came down and he was like really

830
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,520
huge and he had the big laser
eye.

831
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,680
Everyone's going to like.
They're screaming at the radio

832
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,480
right now.
I know.

833
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,960
Yes.
Well, so that movie that he did

834
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,240
was like a 1950s movie or
something, I think.

835
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,160
So these things were known.
So these things were so, you

836
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,840
know, we've always said fiction
is based in reality in at some

837
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,120
level of reality.
So maybe he got robots from

838
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,880
this, right?
Because this is like the thing

839
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,840
in the 50s, like robots were
like the the the future, right?

840
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,840
So maybe that was where he got
the word yes, but.

841
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,560
But also humans.
But also humans, yes.

842
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,960
OK, so here's another my brain.
Like I said, my brain's fucking

843
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,600
exploding right now because.
Because I didn't know what these

844
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,400
close encounters like were, what
the classification was.

845
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,520
They're also saying potentially
these things that we're seeing,

846
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,360
these beings that we're seeing,
could be future humans.

847
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,160
Humans who seem to be occupants
or pilots of an object.

848
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,520
Yeah.
So whether it's us currently and

849
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,000
it's like, you know, some kind
of government craft that like

850
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,360
whatever has been re engineered,
whatever the case may be, it

851
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,160
could be that what if it is us
from the future and he knew

852
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,480
that.
Exactly because we have said

853
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:36,920
that like J Rod and others
really are, have our DNA.

854
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,800
Yes, we should, but.
From the future.

855
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:45,280
Yeah, yeah, uh huh.
OK, maybe, yes, 'cause he was

856
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,360
investigating this stuff, maybe
he had access, maybe he saw this

857
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,280
as one of his investigation
things and he's like, OK, well,

858
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,720
this is going to be part of my
category.

859
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:56,760
Yeah.
You're not going to just like

860
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,800
create a classification if you
don't have evidence to support

861
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,720
it.
So this is stuff he's

862
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,920
classifying this.
Based on what he knows.

863
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,280
Based on what?
All of the information that he

864
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,040
knows.
Right.

865
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,880
Yeah, it's crazy.
Sorry, I freaked out on the

866
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,120
third kind.
That's OK.

867
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,480
Because it's going to get a
little weirder.

868
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,560
Oh, beautiful, great, 'cause you
know he.

869
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,560
Stops there.
OK, he stops.

870
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,000
That's the.
Top of the list the.

871
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,800
Top of his list.
OK, but if you think about it,

872
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,880
think about this for a second,
Yeah.

873
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,640
Where does Travis fit in that?
What which?

874
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Which one does he get?
He gets third kind for sure

875
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,240
because he had.
Encounters with an animated

876
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:40,960
entity, yes.
Encounters with an animated

877
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,960
entity, yes.
OK, so yes, it's the third, but

878
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,120
then yes, it's true.
But it kind of goes beyond that,

879
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,200
honestly.
Right, it really does.

880
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,080
But he didn't remember more than
the encounter.

881
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,120
Well, when Travis Walton was,
you know, when he was found,

882
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,800
initially, he didn't remember
anything.

883
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,920
No, he did not.
So there, maybe he had like

884
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,880
close encounter of the first
kind because he remembers like a

885
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,720
light or something.
Remember.

886
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,080
But then he like.
But what happens when you?

887
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,800
OK, well, OK, keep the thought.
Keep the.

888
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,080
Thought yeah, it's here.
OK, so UFO researcher by the

889
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,840
name of Ted Blocher.
Blocher, BLOECHER Blocher,

890
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,000
Blocker Blocker Blocher.
Sorry dude.

891
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,040
Sorry dude.
He proposed 6 subtypes.

892
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,560
How beautiful.
For the close encounters of the

893
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,680
third kind, because he thought
there needed to be a little more

894
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,560
detail right in the third
because it seemed kind of black

895
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,160
and white to him.
OK, so subtypes for close

896
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,960
encounters of the third kind are
a board.

897
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,720
An entity is observed inside of
a UFO.

898
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:02,080
Oh yeah, OK.
Close An entity is observed near

899
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,000
a UFO, but not going in or out
of it.

900
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,320
Both an entity is observed
inside and outside of the UFO.

901
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,880
Direct an entity is observed.
No UFOs are seen by the

902
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,600
observer, but the UFO activity
has been reported in the area at

903
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,520
about the same time.
Excluded.

904
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,600
An entity is observed, but no
UFOs are seen and no UFO

905
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,480
activity has been reported in
the area At the time and

906
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,800
frequency.
No entity or UFOs are observed,

907
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,280
but the subject experiences some
sort of intelligent

908
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,560
communication.
Oh, like a radio frequency?

909
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,480
Sure.
Or yeah, or mind control.

910
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,880
Mind control or yeah,
telepathic, whatever.

911
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:08,080
So now we have 6.123456, OK.
Or I mean, UFO close encounters

912
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,560
3 level 6 closing encounter
3.123456 yes.

913
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:18,160
OK.
So in a 1985 interview, when

914
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:24,080
asked what caused his change of
opinion and his his, yeah, his

915
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:29,080
change of opinion as a
scientist, he said two things

916
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,600
really.
One was the completely negative

917
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,560
and unyielding attitude of the
Air Force.

918
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,760
Sure.
They wouldn't give UFOs a chance

919
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,600
of existing even if they were
flying up and down the street in

920
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,360
broad daylight.
Everything had to have an

921
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,320
explanation.
I began to resent that, even

922
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,000
though I basically felt the same
way, because I still thought

923
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,360
they weren't going about it the
right way.

924
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:02,240
You can't assume that everything
is black no matter what.

925
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,360
Secondly, the caliber of the
witnesses began to trouble me.

926
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,880
Quite a few instances were
reported by military pilots and

927
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,720
I knew them to be fairly very
well trained.

928
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,880
So this is when I first began to
think that, well, maybe there is

929
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,960
something to all of this because
now, like you were saying

930
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:32,760
before, it's not just Mary Jo
Sue in the trailer park after

931
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,760
she was caught, you know,
smoking a pipe.

932
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Right.
It was literally a pilot.

933
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,240
Who's saying I don't know what
the hell this is and it's flying

934
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,720
right next to me and I'm
interacting with it.

935
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,440
So, yeah, I mean, it makes sense
that stories like Travis

936
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,600
Walton's would come out and it
would be a huge, It would be the

937
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,480
information that we're kind of
looking for where, you know, he

938
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,200
goes aboard a spaceship or some
kind of ship, some kind of

939
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,120
thing, and has this experience.
And the government allows for

940
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,360
this to be put out because he's
some lumberjack in the middle of

941
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,880
BFE, Arizona and doesn't have
any kind of, like, knowledge of

942
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,080
how, you know, aircraft works
within space or time or

943
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,920
whatever.
Of course they're going to let

944
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,920
that happen.
Of course you're going to

945
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:30,400
suppress the information.
That is terrifying because and

946
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,520
and suppress things that are
counter to the belief in the

947
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,400
system that you currently have
and the powers that be who have

948
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,360
this different disinformation.
He's straight up saying, yeah,

949
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,800
this is this is exactly what's
been happening.

950
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,080
This is what's been happening.
And I was sick of it because I

951
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,240
was a part of the problem.
Exactly.

952
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,040
Yep, that's exactly it.
He starts to realize that.

953
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,640
And that's that's when he too he
starts lamenting about the

954
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,400
Robertson panel.
Where he was discrediting

955
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,600
everything like.
Oh shit.

956
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,080
He was part of it.
Yeah.

957
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:18,520
So I I think because of his
limited mind, a bit of his

958
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,800
tunnel vision and his
skepticism, I don't think he can

959
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,680
consider going higher than close
Encounters of the Third Kind.

960
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,400
I don't even think that was in
his thought.

961
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,440
Right.
Because after his death in 96,

962
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,000
his colleague Jacques Valet.
Oh.

963
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,320
He creates two more steps.
There's two more classifications

964
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,680
after it.
He's like, no, no, no, it

965
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,920
doesn't stop at three girl.
Yes, there's a there is a four

966
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:52,120
and I thought so close encounter
of the fourth kind is a UFO

967
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,400
event in which a human is
abducted by a UFO or its

968
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,480
occupants.
Hi Travis.

969
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,480
Hey, girl.
Travis.

970
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:09,280
Close encounters of a fifth kind
is where an alien abductee

971
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,960
receives some manner of physical
effect from their close

972
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,400
encounter, typically either
injury or a healing.

973
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,840
Hello Travis.
He got all the way up to five

974
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,440
girl.
Oh wow.

975
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,960
Because remember, he was on a
table.

976
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,600
Yes, and he got.
Probed.

977
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,840
He got probed, girl got probed.
Poor girl, she just wanted.

978
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,160
Why couldn't they have like
given him?

979
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,000
They could have been like,
Travis, we're going to make your

980
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Dick bigger.
We're gonna make sure you're

981
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,400
never going to bald.
We're gonna what you're gonna

982
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,040
always have.
These really great experiments

983
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,200
on you, yeah.
Yeah, rather than being like.

984
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,640
No, we're gonna put this thing
on your chest and probe you.

985
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,520
We're gonna probe you and
wasn't.

986
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,560
Opposite and not even know what
we're gonna probe you for

987
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,480
honestly.
Well, and then it's like, it's

988
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,280
like, you're gonna remember this
and it's gonna feel like

989
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,600
torture.
It's going to feel like torture.

990
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,320
It's going to feel like you're
you're tortured.

991
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,640
And that's.
That is not a singular event, by

992
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,760
the way.
No.

993
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,360
We've heard this before.
And women talk about like having

994
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,920
well and like up there.
Well, of course.

995
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,440
Well, of course you're gonna be
up there.

996
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,400
Hoo ha.
Well, women and men, yeah, same

997
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,120
thing because they, yeah,
they're like, I saw my alien

998
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,680
baby, which I know it sounds so
crazy.

999
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,920
National Enquirer.
Yeah, yeah.

1000
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,480
But no, they say that they.
Gave me a picture of my alien

1001
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,800
baby.
I got to hold my alien baby and

1002
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,880
it was a hybrid that looks like
a Gray but had my curly hair.

1003
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,360
You know, could you imagine what
that look like would be so

1004
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,040
fucking weird.
But but it's like, you know,

1005
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,160
yeah, he had he didn't have
what's interesting with that CE

1006
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,200
5, which is what?
The physical, It's the physical.

1007
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,240
Yeah, the abductee who had some
physical either injury or

1008
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,800
healing.
Well, what the fuck?

1009
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,560
Why did Travis get no healing?
And, and just like the injury,

1010
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,120
you know, well, maybe, maybe
there was some kind of healing.

1011
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,760
Who fucking knows?
Who knows?

1012
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Yeah, who knows?
Yeah.

1013
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,640
Maybe they gave him some, like,
bad thing and then they healed

1014
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,600
it.
I mean, who knows?

1015
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,480
Who knows what they did?
Who knows?

1016
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,960
I have no idea.
So Jacques Valet is like he is

1017
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,760
like he's a head honcho in the,
you know, UAPUFO world.

1018
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,480
Great.
He's great.

1019
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,760
Crazy.
Love it.

1020
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,480
Well, he.
Gave us two extra

1021
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,520
classifications, which makes
sense to me.

1022
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,720
It makes sense because you have
all these stories, so.

1023
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,360
Because now we know more.
Right, and we can share

1024
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:37,800
information so much easier,
right?

1025
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,000
Like it's not just like
hopefully the you know, the

1026
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,200
newspaper publishes my story and
you know, someone else gets a

1027
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,080
hold of it.
It's you know, or by Morse code.

1028
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,040
It's like it's not you're not
sharing letters.

1029
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,160
It's now we can record videos
and post them on to whatever

1030
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,200
social media app you want to you
know and share your.

1031
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:01,640
Story Steven Spielberg paid
Joseph I think like 100 bucks to

1032
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,080
use the term close Encounters of
the Third guy.

1033
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,280
Just 100.
Yeah, it was like.

1034
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,080
Nothing.
I don't know.

1035
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,840
It was 100.
I don't remember what it was.

1036
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,040
It wasn't.
It was nothing.

1037
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,160
It was nothing.
It was not enough, not.

1038
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,480
It needed to be a lot.
Yeah, No, it was like nothing.

1039
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,760
He was like, can I use that
term?

1040
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,360
Sure.
Yeah, sure you can.

1041
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:22,840
I would be like, okay, Stevie, I
also get a percentage of

1042
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,080
whatever this box office.
So now they can do close

1043
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,080
Encounters of the Sixth kind.
Let's have a.

1044
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Let's see one of those.
OK, where's Steven Spielberg?

1045
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,920
Because he's really into aliens.
Yeah, he needs to do a close

1046
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,760
Encounters of the Third.
He's got sequels, bitch.

1047
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,920
Close Encounters of the Fourth
kind and the Fifth Kind.

1048
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,360
OK, so he.
Get on it, girl.

1049
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,160
OK, I heard somewhere through
the Grapevine that they might be

1050
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:50,200
working on something like either
it's a redo or it's a new

1051
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,520
adaptation of.
Close.

1052
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Well, you can use the two new
levels.

1053
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,600
Exactly, and you can also and.
Take it a little further.

1054
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,640
You take take it further and
then provide through, you know,

1055
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,160
a great storyline and, you know,
beautiful.

1056
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,920
Whatever you're gonna do, Steven
Spielberg.

1057
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,360
But it's like, you know, I don't
fucking know.

1058
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,640
I'm just here with a tin foil
hat on.

1059
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,680
This is what you should do,
bitch.

1060
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,080
But.
But honestly, it's like why not

1061
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,440
try to explain these and then
try to get more information?

1062
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,280
Oh, but the cut, that's what
they're doing with the Bluebeam

1063
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,600
project.
That's right.

1064
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,120
Maybe they're building?
Those that's right because.

1065
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,680
For that purpose.
We did use like in in the

1066
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,400
Bluebeam project Bluebeam like
episode we talked about how yes

1067
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,840
like Hollywood is being used by
the government to slowly seep.

1068
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:39,280
In these ideas, yeah, accept and
adapt to these concepts.

1069
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,200
And and accept and adapt to an
external force putting control

1070
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,200
on us, you know?
So that when it happens.

1071
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,880
We're OK with it and we've seen,
we've seen something like this

1072
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,560
happen before.
So it's like, Oh yeah, I don't

1073
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,400
know, there are alien overlords
that are going to be fine or

1074
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,920
are, or, you know, exactly what
they said.

1075
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:04,320
Our, you know, world one world
government is going to be fine.

1076
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,120
It'll be fine.
But it's so it's interesting

1077
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:15,200
because I've heard the close of
Encounters in a movie that the

1078
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,840
government actually talked to
Steven Spielberg as he was

1079
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,320
writing this story and they're
like, where'd you get your

1080
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,920
information from?
Do this and do that.

1081
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,040
Maybe don't do this.
Don't do that.

1082
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,640
Or where did you get your
information from?

1083
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,960
Gotcha.
Like men in black.

1084
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,520
Like, well, where did he, I
wonder?

1085
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,640
We just make it up.
No, because like we said, all

1086
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,360
fiction is based on some level
of truth.

1087
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,320
I mean, if he's AUF, if he's
like a.

1088
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,040
Research someone, someone told
him.

1089
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,040
And if he's like super into this
topic like we are, we could

1090
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,440
probably write a fucking
storyline like a script for this

1091
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,200
and like have, you know, it's
not.

1092
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Oh my God, let's write close
Encounters of the Fourth Kind.

1093
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,080
No.
Should we jump to the no?

1094
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,760
We'd have to start with the 4th.
I think the 4th. 5th yes cuz

1095
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,200
then the 5th like what?
A little bit further.

1096
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,160
What if you did the 6th and then
like?

1097
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,400
Went back.
There is no sixth kind.

1098
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,120
Or I mean, OK.
Yeah, 5th and then 4th. 5th and

1099
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,800
then 4th and then showed all of
I meant all of the six types

1100
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,120
within.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1101
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,480
The third time.
Right, right, right, right.

1102
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,640
Yeah, yeah.
We'll have a, We'll have a, what

1103
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,840
is it GoFundMe account or
something?

1104
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,080
It's a crowdfund to like making
this movie happen.

1105
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,160
Subscribe now.
Subscribe now to this.

1106
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,600
I mean, it just goes to show
Kevin, this has been happening

1107
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,640
forever.
Exactly.

1108
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,760
And it's clearly been happening
since the 1940s.

1109
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,080
We keep all of our episodes, as
we've always said, just always

1110
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,840
connect, which is fascinating to
me.

1111
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,160
Like we don't even intend for
this to happen, but all of our

1112
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,520
episodes end up connecting
somehow, which just goes to show

1113
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,920
there again, some there's
something here.

1114
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,600
There's something here and
there's like a high, they call

1115
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:03,120
it high strangeness, where this
like phenomena of the unknown

1116
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,600
does connect to a lot of things,
a lot of things in in this

1117
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,480
world, in this bizarre world.
If we're looking at the bizarre,

1118
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,760
all of it is connected.
Yep.

1119
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,320
OK, good.
Well, so now you all know what

1120
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,360
that means.
Hopefully it doesn't happen to

1121
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,280
you it.
Doesn't happen to you, although

1122
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,040
I'm I have to say.
What?

1123
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,120
I don't think I would be upset
if I had a close encounter of

1124
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,880
the fourth kind, just not the
5th.

1125
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,600
I don't want to be hurt, are
harmed or injured.

1126
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,240
Well, if it's going to be the
4th, then it's gonna be.

1127
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,880
The 5th Let's be honest.
An alien does not abduct you and

1128
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,520
say, okay, bye, that's yeah, see
ya, okay.

1129
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,920
We just wanted to show you the
inside of our ship.

1130
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Our ship.
Yeah, yeah, look how cool it is.

1131
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,560
Bye.
You know, no, they're gonna be

1132
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,600
fucking probing your ass.
They're gonna be probing your

1133
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,720
ass, probing your eyeballs,
probing like they are making

1134
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,200
your babies.
You're gonna be holding it with

1135
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,320
your, with your blonde hair.
It's gonna have the glasses on

1136
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,600
and look like half fucking Gray
alien.

1137
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,680
Hilarious.
So don't put it out there.

1138
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,160
OK.
Well, thank you so much for

1139
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,000
today's.
Episode that was.

1140
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,800
Yeah.
You're welcome.

1141
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:19,840
Great.
Yeah, good.

1142
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,080
Thanks.
Well, we'll see you in a week or

1143
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:22,920
two.
Yes.

1144
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:23,800
OK.
See you then.

1145
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See.
You then bye.