CIA Gateway Process

0:33 This is bizarre AF episode 1. I am Alicia your host for today's episode and joining me is my is my co-host with the most Kevin highly R. Hello, how are you today doing it? How's everybody doing here live streaming? Hey everybody I'm doing great. I'm excited to be here and this is episode number. Oh my God, I can't believe it. I feel like I've been talking about this for a while and there's been a lot. Lots of work, especially you have done so much work to make all of this. I'm a tech junkie so wonderful, this has been so fun. So ultimately, I thought that like it would be fun to kind of talk about how we met.

1:22 Yeah. What we, what we I guess how we knew each other. Sure. Do you want it? Do you want to kick it off? Do the honors. Yeah, well, we are lesbian best as well, and, you know, our love of theater is what because it has connected us. Ultimately totally. And we've done some shows together, which I've been super fun, we've done another podcast together, which we've determined sealed, Our Fate for being podcasters. Yeah. And now we thought we take it to another level on a topic that we love to do.

2:05 Talk me know that we love personally. Yes. And take it to another level and, you know, live stream it. I know, I know, we're on, we're on here, it's so funny. I was taught. When I was talking to this morning, I'm like, oh my God, I am just feeling a Haggard, I had a long night last night. Oh, we're gonna be like recording. Hey, A make myself look kind of. Okay. But I, this is so exciting and I love, I love the way that this looks and that it feels. I thought that we could maybe like talk about little funny thing that had happened while we were on stage together. Just to kind of show you how how are the way that we deal with each other is?

2:52 So I'll talk about it. Yeah. Okay. So the one of the last shows that we were in, we had the scene behind It was a scrum so like we were lit and you could just see our bodies and we are telling this story kind of like shadow puppet. Yeah. And so we're supposed to like Embrace like for a part of it and I am that night apparently not balanced very well I almost fucking fell over on stage and comes like that like don't fall over worse. Both tried it out laughs to make like our our bodies like you know, and so Oh, it's funny though, you know people see the Shadow and they see ya. See this happening, you know, they're like well I'm sure they're like what I think.

3:39 I think that it went like, clearly illustrates is you will come to the rescue and like help save things. If they are going downhill, I feel so safe and vice versa. That's what makes acting, you know, you try to trust your partner, had some trades. We have a lot of, we have a lot of trust here, we do. I'm trying to say we do you know what? That about so going from Theater now we're here talking about the bizarre. So what what what kind of made you interested in the bizarre like was there think it's the unknown? I think that's what's fascinating and that you can, you don't know the answers, right?

4:19 And and then trying to find the answers trying to distinguish between real and not. Real fact fiction. and then having some what I also, the thing I think is fascinating is when You have a topic and there is evidence to both support and negate it. Yes. Hmm. I had some kind of that's fun. I think that's fun. It's totally fun. I think like, as far as what's the bizarre, I love a good story. Oh yeah, give me give me a good story. Give me some gossip and Trainwreck. Give me, give me an alien ghosts. Anything I'm in. I'm in. Like and it was back from the days of Unsolved Mysteries. That was like, the first A bizarre-o those like, ghost stories.

5:08 And yeah, that's right. That was the first thing. So as far as like the bizarre stories, like what's your favorite type of bizarre Story? I mean I'm into alien stuff alien. I do like a okay because You know, it's any time someone has proof, there's always people, you know, the Skeptics there's never like here's an alien. You know, I mean we've never had like here's an alien proof here. You're looking at an alien, right? That doesn't exist so that I think little green man. Yeah exactly. So I think that that's what makes I think the science fiction. I like the science fiction. He part totally love it.

5:48 Yeah I also like Strange human behavior to like those kinds of. Oh okay. Yeah, look abnormal. I just ecology or yes. I thinks I called the psychology of people like weird bizarreness murders or something sure. Yeah, anything. Yeah. Well that's bizarre. Yeah. Big screen. It's very bizarre. And then I'm doing it in order of things, I like and then probably conspiracy in the government conspiracy kind of stuff. You know, what? That's actually kind of my, my phaser Jam. Yeah. I love a good old-fashioned government release. Give me, give me a government release and I'm set. So, that's actually the first topic that we're talking about a government release.

6:40 It was actually, that's excited. Yeah, it's really exciting. So, it was actually, 2003 classified document that the in 2003 the CIA released this document. Oh, so it's been around for a little bit but you kind of really haven't heard of it. At least I hadn't. I had never heard of it. I actually found this through Tick-Tock, I was like scrolling through Tick-Tock because you were like looking for government conspiracies because because the algorithm knows, you know, exactly. It knows that I'm always wearing my tinfoil hat as soon as As I walk in the door and I'm a weirdo. Okay? Sure. Yeah, yeah. So, so, the, the actual classified paper is called. It's the, it's about the Gateway process. Have you ever heard of why do we never heard of the Gateway process?

7:30 No, no, it's crazy because, you know, this because it was released in 2003. It's like one of those things that work do they Sile cake? Yeah, I only really. They're like, yeah, okay, it was actually put on by the Army intelligence, who would who created This and the CIA released it. So it was actually the US Army intelligence and security command project and it happened in the 1980s. So the purpose of it was to understand how the Gateway process worked and whether it would actually be a benefit to the Army. I mean, you know, there's so much money in the Army so it's like you're in the military in general. So it's like there's so many like studies that they do to try to see, you know, how can we get one up on other countries.

8:14 Trees right? Yeah, yeah. So the the Gateway process is actually a technique that was coined by Robert Monroe who is the founder of the Monroe Institute, which is still in existence today and it's a non-profit whose purposes I'm going to, I'm quoting, okay, the global Awakening of human consciousness That's mysterious. Yeah, the globe. Yeah, wakening of human consciousness. Meaning we are not Oak. We're not what, we're not conscious or something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I mean, I guess, I guess, like, from my perspective when I was like, looking at it, I was thinking. Well, fuck, you know who of course there. Going to be looking into Consciousness and what that means, but I like how weird is it going to get? That's really what I wanted to know. Where is it?

9:09 You know, not really well and what is, I mean, how do you, how do you awake a Consciousness? And what does it mean, when your Consciousness is awoke? Right? Exactly. So the commander who actually wrote this paper and he was involved in the Army intelligence this committee, he was tasked to figure out how this contract Consciousness project are processed, you'll hear me say like the Gateway project Gateway process, you know, interchangeably. It's really Same thing here, his name was Lieutenant, was it was Lieutenant Wayne and McDonald and the task. He was saying was a difficult one. He actually states in the letter to his Commander about, you know, trying to Define and discuss his task. As frankly sir.

9:50 That proved to be an extremely involved, difficult business. Yeah, that's saying something for sure. I think, you know, our good friend Wayne so good of a friend. Because, like, you know, I came in found him on Facebook and maybe he's a dad but I digress, you know, Wayne in order to understand how the heck, this Gateway process actually worked. He had to have an understanding of quantum physics biomechanics. And, and he was actually working with a physician and the physician was taking this course. This process course offered by the Monroe Institute. So ultimately, he kind of ends the letter and the same to his commander in the same way that I would like to begin talking. Okay.

10:34 Okay. Okay, you ready? I'm dying to know what this is all about, suspend your disbelief and everything that I'm saying, take with a grain of, you know, salt whatever. Just just put your thinking cap on and remove every single thing that I'm saying or take it for what it is. Okay? So before we get into it, I thought okay, you know, he's kind of going to be dense at first, we should drink Oh now, hold on. I gotta fill. Yes, refill refill. So as you all know, this is our first episode. Yes. And you know I'm not gonna lie. I love my adult beverages think we but I think it's fair to say we both really love that but I thought to keep it simple. It's our first episode.

11:28 Let's have some champagne because that's all about celebration. Yes, this isn't going to be The journey for us and I'm so excited for. So I'm actually doing. We're drinking, mango champagne. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. Cheers bitches. Cheers bitches. Hmm, that's like my sweet bitches. Like, yeah, if you can find some mango champagne, I had good even know that this existed until I had it over at your house and I was like, oh my God. So funny. Okay, so you ready, got your drink anybody's listening. Yes. Yep. Grab whatever you want. It doesn't have to be alcoholic although you know, I got you, here we go.

12:10 Okay, so okay, the this Gateway process, it was actually created by my other deceased friend. He's not really my friend, but I'm just going to call everyone my friend. So we already had brought him up before Robert. A Monroe, he was actually born in 1915 so he is a long fucking day. Oh yeah. And he was a broadcaster, so he started his own Broadcasting Company and was studying, kind of the Is a various sound patterns on human consciousness. He was like, hey, there's something to it. So I'm just going to start studying been Consciousness, makes a sound. No, but actually it's a really good question. It's more like, what? How does sound effect our Consciousness? Okay, okay, you know, what kind of patterns can we use? Because there's something to affect the Consciousness. Yes.

12:59 Okay, namely around like dream states and stuff. Okay, So while he was like trying to figure out this he actually triggered or he found that there was something specific to these sound patterns and the way that they're moving through the you know your headset, okay, the ultimately actually triggered an out-of-body experience and himself like an oobe. That's the referred to as out-of-body experience or Obe. Okay. Those yes, yes. Yes I have. Okay yes. So have you won? No. Oh my gosh. It really stoked about know. I wish.

13:40 No. But what bring my head? It was in these? Yes, cut, you know that whole out-of-body. So what does an nde stand for a near-death experience? Yeah, totally. Yes. Which actually, it is an out-of-body experience. Yeah, that that term was actually coined earlier, but Robert Monroe is typically he attributed to that, to that term Out of Body Experience, okay? Started getting, you know, pretty obsessed with it. Okay. He said he had had enough of these that he could not understand where the fuck they were coming from. He knew it had something to do with this auditory thing that he was studying.

14:22 So he's like I have to figure it out. What the hell is going on here? So he decided to get some scientists involved and Kevin, I'm actually going to have you It has direct quotes. And this is from Monroe's, book Journeys out of the body, where Monroe for refers to the scientists, who's Charlie, that he's working with, and I'll have a link to the book in the show notes with this episode, but I've highlighted the parts for you to read, okay? All right. Cool. Evening passed, uneventfully, and I finally got into bed about 140 am still. Wide Awake.

15:05 And then it says in Brackets north-south position. What what is that? Yeah, so the north-south position since he was studying all of this, the north-south position was that his body was was positioned. Where was his head facing? Where was his body facing? He needed to tell all of these details to Charlie the scientist because they were settlement. Yeah, in case they're relevant. Like is the north-south. The best way to face is that this like they're trying to be as As as scientific as possible, and create the same scenarios, sure to. So they can replicate these out of body experiences, please sense. Okay, complete sense.

15:49 The cat was lying in bed with me after a long period of calming, my mind a sense of warmth swept over my body with no break in Consciousness. No pre-sleep almost immediately. I felt something or someone rocking my body from side to side then tugging at my feet. Oh my God. I recognized immediately that this had something to do with Charlie's experiment. And with full, trust did not feel my usual caution. The tugging at the legs continued and I finally managed to separate one second, body arm and held it up, feeling around in the dark.

16:39 After a moment, the tugging stopped and a hand took my wrist. First gently then very, very firmly and pulled me out of physical easily. Get out of the physical out of the physical easily. What? That's insane. I am. So what I mean is this like literally I okay. Yeah, well yes, so when he's saying, second body, have you ever seen those okay, I'm just going to go back to like sightings that show from the 90s or or Unsolved Mysteries. Okay.

17:22 Are you had like somebody laying in bed and Like there or on a hospital gurney or something and then they could see their body but they're like our bodies kind of like floating up above and it's kind of like looking down like like, like the camera like this camera and let's do it. Yeah, like that camera right there, looking down. Yeah, so, so your body would be up here. Yes. And that's the second body, okay, talking about that came out of his own physical body. So, it would be like, my second body, like, mice. I'm just gonna call it like, a spirit or something. Like, I don't know what else to say. A translucent self. I don't fucking know. So when he says, I finally managed to separate one second body arm, he's talking about that. So his second body is coming.

18:05 So I'm sitting here. This arm is coming up outside of his whole body. Gotcha, yeah. Okay. So it's weird. Okay. Yeah, insane. This is something that that would happen to Monroe often so and he wanted to continue to study these out-of-body experiences and sound patterns, because he knew that there was Something up with it, okay? So he have actually eventually moved his company to Virginia. So that Broadcasting Company moved over to Virginia, where he actually created. This Monroe is Institute. The Monroe Institute is actually a 501, c, 3 nonprofit that still isn't as existence today. So and they still actually do this project today.

18:46 Is this what they're doing their thing? Yes. Yeah, it's part of it. So they would like at back in the day they would sell tapes. You'll hear me talk about tapes often. And, you know, just assume that I'm also talking about what however you get your media or even YouTube because actually some of the stuff is on YouTube which we'll go over later. So he just had begun to delve into the study of Consciousness. Being found these specific tools that made his out of body experiences in der. So it wasn't like oh my arm just came out and I went back into my body. It's like he couldn't make it last for a longer period of time. I'm using this audio and it would allow him to have that higher Consciousness state.

19:31 So it kind of triggered. The audio would trigger this. Okay I know I know it's so weird, it's a lot your part okay. Yeah I mean I have a skeptical are but I'm gonna keep going, right? We have our like, our brains that are here to listen. That's right, that's right. There will be holes. Here, are people experience this on mushrooms too? Right. Yeah, okay. Okay, okay. Okay. So that's that's very interesting. I okay, yes, what will kind of get to that a little bit later because I think that there are other ways to do it, okay? Yeah. Okay. I'm so interested to hear about your fucking story.

20:13 Okay. Okay, so ultimately this process you know the way that they do it is it utilizes different techniques. One of the techniques is hypnosis, we have bio Back and then another like, Monroe Institute term and it's called hemi-sync. I know this is a lot and so this is a term that he developed this hemi-sync. Yes. Okay. And it's something that's constantly talked about like I Monroe and and in the this paper this CIA released, excuse me, the CIA released document is like 34 35 pages long. So how many think you'll consistently see it? It.

20:54 See what what that is, that's it's their term. So ultimately the goal and the Gateway process is to kind of like turn off your brain in a way that makes you focus on things outside of the immediate area. So like right now I could be like, oh my stomachs growling. I'm really hungry or like, I really want to imbibe more. Let's go, let's get another bottle of this mango champagne. Like you're not thinking about that. It's turning off, all of your immediate functions, like that allows you to kind of raise to what they kind of term. Different Consciousness, level. And so, we can ask a question where she can sew in this state. Is your body still functioning?

21:41 As some like, like I'm talking to you right now, right? And your body's functioning in a way, that okay, so if you're in this state, are you still functioning that way? Are you in like some trance or something like that? You are kind of your kind of in like a trance or like a sleep state. So you're not you're not conscious in the way that we your body and your brain aren't conscious in the way that we think of it of like right now we're talking so someone could like if you were The state. Someone could just walk up on you and stab you and think, yeah. Because you were like, you're not really conscious. Yes. Right. You're trying to turn off those like fears of like flat fight or flight, right?

22:23 Like see. But can you still function as a human being? And no, no, no, okay. It's like meditation kind of thing, okay? Like think about it, like a meditation, or even like, if you, if you've seen people get hypnotized or if you're in a really deep, Sleep where you're dreaming and it seems super real your body still unconscious or you're not necessarily in your right brain. That's a great question. Okay, great. All right. I can't a I'm sure you have more juice. I have more. Okay, so okay as far as far as like the hemi-sync stuff, have you ever heard of being right? Or left brain totally yes. Okay, so which one are you?

23:04 If the listeners don't know, I'll kind of go over what the gym. Maybe you should because I can't remember, I can't remember now. Okay. Cool. So as far as ran into logical and one is like creativeness, right? Exactly. Okay, yeah. So the left side is like more analytical. You have numbers, language reasoning, logic science, and, you know, stuff like that. Then you have the right side, which is, you know, emotional intelligence, imagination expression. Art that creativity? That stuff like that? Yeah. Is there a tests? Do you know if there's there's ways to test this because I feel like I fall and I like both have qualities. If I had to pick I think I'm more right brained more, right brained, I think okay yeah I would think. I mean you know what sucks is like when you look at images and stuff, which I also have an image that I'm just looking at right now it shows like a left and a right brain and the left side of the brain.

24:04 Rain is like black and white, there's nothing in it. Just looks like it has a those coils, you know, like the normal brain. Yeah. Just black and white image. Then you have the right side and the right side has like beautiful colors and like, it's like painting and it's like bright and like well because analytical is it's it's numbers. It's fact is 1 or 0 1 or 0 0 1 with right? So that's why it's black or white one or zero on or off, right? Yeah. It's totally like that. But then, at the same time, you're like, okay, like Clearly you want to be one side over the other because the, the right one looks like a lot more fun. Like, I'm right.

24:44 Yeah, I'm definitely right. You got looks like shit, like. Who wants to be fucking left brain? Like we don't want to be left, brain, want to be boring. We want to be cool and colorful and yeah. Right? So, I think, okay, so I think I can see you being both because your I can be very analytical. Yeah. Yes, very like Tech and stuff. Yeah, you know, you can see the logic and I live and die by my by creativity and expression and all of those. I'm very intuitive with people. So that's why I feel like I'm more right brain. I do think I see it. I think that you also have like there's like a great kind of balance to because you do computer stuff.

25:29 I could never do that never but Okay, so here's where I'm going to take off my tinfoil hat. Okay? Right now and put on my logical brain. Yeah, because ultimately when I was looking at this, I'm like this kind of sounds like bullshit. You're either one side because they're talking about like the hemispheres and how different, they are new, what you want to do, is get them to sync up. Ultimately, I'm like sitting there thinking how the fuck does a brain function if it's not talking to the other side? Sure. Not consistently working together and actually found a study. That was released back in, I don't know, probably within the last 10 years.

26:11 So ultimately it was the study was done and it basically says, like, you don't use one side of your brain at a time. You don't necessarily have to sink both sides of your brain. You know, the, the actual it was called the undervaluation of the left versus right brain. Hypothesis with resting state functional connectivity magnetic Residence and imaging so they used like MRIs to study to see whether or not you know the people who are creative like yes, absolutely show you pictures and such or whatever and they can see how your brain reacts. Right. Exactly like how your brain is reacting. So the data was actually analyzed from publicly available resting state scans, okay? Of over 1,000 individuals, I know it's not a huge population but enough yeah between the ages of seven and twenty nine and for each some subject, what they did is they They looked at the how they functioned together like, were they separate and they measured each pair of like over 7,000 regions and it basically said, you know, the Network's on one side, aren't stronger on one, then the other and it doesn't matter who you are and how creative you are.

27:26 They both are really strong and they're always working together, okay? So it's kind of bullshit. So you're saying that this that this Particular what you wear your, the study whatever is saying there is no such thing as a left brained person a right brained person but it's that they may function in those but those purposes but yeah, it's not, it's not necessarily one or the other and I think like, as we're reading this, this are as I was reading this paper that was released in 1983. The we didn't necessarily have all of the the technology that we do today to actually study this. So what When it comes to, that kind of take it with a grain of salt, the hemisphere is worked together. Sure.

28:09 And now, we know that, but they didn't know that back in the night. Okay, it is okay, yeah, okay, okay. So ultimately, okay, so we understand the left and right, it's not as clear cut and that they do work together. So the idea. But the idea of hypnosis is to kind of turn off some of those functions of like that immediate threat like, I'm hungry. Like, you know, you want to get into a really relaxed State, those left-brained. What they termed in this, no left brain functions, not really left, right? But, you know, them allowing those like immediate functions and that like, self-conscious, or whatever that Consciousness to kind of turn off and tune out.

28:55 So, you know, like if you, when you were a kid and you were listening to, you know, your teacher talk about geography, I'll just talk to her. You're like falling asleep in class like this is so fucking boring. Yes, yes. Same kind of droning on because it's just monotone. Not interesting. There's nothing interesting about it. You're getting sleepy. Yeah, he's sleeping it out and you have the little things. So it that actually monotonous. These tones allow you to be more suggestive to or excuse me, allow you to be more responsive to suggestions. Yeah. So the Gateway process actually it does that Turns off that place where you were your self conscious and allows you to become more open to suggestion and to like a hypnosis excuse being in that hypnotic sting.

29:49 Yeah. He hypnotized. Yes, there. Yes. There they use very similar things like that, monotone voice. Someone, you know, like right now, I could say thank you for listening. Yeah, breathe in. Breathe out, you know. So so you're not worrying. Ultimately like you're not worrying about your immediate location. What you're doing instead is is your, you're just concentrating and allowing your right brain or the that thing that's tied to a higher Consciousness to come out. So it does this actually through tapes, remember how I was talking about the tapes with the Gateway process.

30:29 Okay, so they had taste back then now you can find it on YouTube but It pits where your brain kind of almost Tunes out everything and and it's being played through headphones. So you can't just turn it onto your TV and have this work, you have to be wearing some kind of headphones. Some kind of like that's a block out other stuff. It's the way that the the actual audio works. Now we're back to the shapes of the tones and the sounds and such and the sounds. Yeah, we'll go a little bit more into it. These specific like hurts here, listening to To. Yeah. So ultimately, like, you know what you're doing is you know, it took the reins tuning out. What is being played through the headphones because it's getting bored.

31:15 And the suggestions that you're given our kind of Taken without your brain, having to worry about being too on top of the immediate surroundings, don't have to worry about anything, or, like, whatever. I'm just getting really, really relaxed. Yeah, okay. So we have three different things, we have biofeedback, which I had mentioned before, hemi-sync. And then we have one more We'll go through just the biofeedback. So ultimately biofeedback is like, our are smart watches. So I have one right now, it counts. How many steps I'm doing? It says like, what my, you know, my resting my heart rate is, if I'm, you know, it can. Sometimes they can measure blood pressure, whatever. All of us have them. But that's basically showing, you know what your body's doing in that moment.

31:56 So it's actual its measurements of function within that brain-body connection. So that's what they're that's what they're doing, okay? I'm ultimately so that they are using biofeedback hemi-sync that fucking word. So, how many think it's that term? So we're trying to sink, both the left and the right sides of your brain and get them on the same. Like, essentially the same wavelength, so it's done through meditation and listening to those Focus three tapes and it kind of allows this to be sustained. So we have that that place that you're in and then what you end up doing is you're sustaining that sinking And that like higher Consciousness potentially out-of-body experience for a longer period of time. Okay, so that's the goal of it, I actually. So ultimately ultimately, we've cued up a link that Kevin has and it's Robbie Robert Monroe.

32:48 Actually speaking in the Turn on your bank, on your side, on your stomach. We are ready now, for the next exercise, move your arms, move your legs.

33:30 So that they are in the most comfortable position for you. Turn on your back, on your side. On your stomach whichever way is the most comfortable place and way for you to lie do this while I wait. Yes.

34:13 Yes it was. Yeah. In the tones and that was louder softer. Kind of moving around. Yeah. And now so every so all of your saying all of those tones and were everything is very intentional, all of this is intentional so and so they've developed these sounds. To get you into this. State yes, yeah well yes. So you have these tones the hurts and then you also have it rolling between one ear and the next which hence why you need headphones. You have to have headphones. It's not going to work but even the rolling waves that we were Hearing in there. Yeah. Kind of gives you that white noise kind of effect where you're just kind of relaxing and it's really rhythmic.

35:00 Yeah and so brings you into that. So okay ultimately you know it's used to actually mimic the Frequency pattern that it's that the brains actually hearing so. So, let's say, like right now our brains are actually functioning normally, right? So we're awake. We're talking. We're drinking, we can talk to each other. We're in a beta level, that's what the beta level is. Our brains are in the beta level, they're in the beta level when, when we are conscious, okay, in this sense, okay. And the sense of we are right now. Yes. Okay, so if you play the audio that is associated with Theta levels which is kind of what we are starting to hear. Here. Okay? It's the same levels that your brain is using while you're sleeping. So it'll allow you to go from that fully awake state like right now.

35:45 Uh-huh. And then you can kind of get to that really relaxed. Almost REM cycle where your your super like, I don't know, yoga, or meditation to okay. Sure. So that's what we're hearing inside of our headphones is like audio. That's going to cause us to fall asleep. Okay? So or not be as contrast. So If one of your so one of your headphones, one side slightly, different hurts levels than the other. So what, as its rolling, you might have like 10 Hertz in one and then seven Hertz in the other. And, but it's really hard for the actual brain, like for us to distinguish right now, we can't hear that, right? So we just hear that something is rolling back and forth, but it's very subtle. Oh, gosh.

36:29 It, it's very subtle and hard to distinguish normally. Okay, so this is actually something that normally will naturally happen with long-term, like, decades-long practitioners of yoga and Zen meditation. Okay, so what our friend Wayne says, you know, the one who's dead, who's writing this. He says, that looking at like recent articles that there's actually connection, that's what Wayne had said, but I was looking at it and I was reading that there is a connection between meditation and lower rates of heart disease. So what they're saying in this paper was they were talking about the ventricles of the heart and how the heart like your Pressure will change the more you meditate and that shit's true. Like there are links and studies that link, you know your heart rate, your blood pressure actually changes. The more that you meditate.

37:19 Yes, I firmly believe that. That's something you can definitely measure. So. Yeah. Check check left left brain, right brain bullshit this. Yes, totally. Yeah. So he actually Wayne goes on to talk about vibrational energy. This is where we're getting. Whoa, Ooh we again, okay. So and how that Gateway process works with vibrational Technologies. So Kevin, if you could just read this for me and that's an actual quote from the the document itself. Sure. Is designed to rather rapidly induce a state of profound calm within the nervous system and to significantly lower blood pressure to cause the circulatory system skeleton and all other physical organ systems to begin, vibrating coherently. Okay, Kevin, do you get what Wayne and I are trying to say to you get what were thrown out there, your vibrate. So I do.

38:24 Yeah. And so I don't know if this is really, maybe it's related, but I've also know that all matter by has a vibrate vibrates, yes, it all has a resonance I think. Yeah. Out of resin resonance. Uh-huh. And that's how you can bring bridges down with a certain tone because if you get something to eat at the same frequency, That, that particular thing is vibrating and you make a crumble. Oh my God. Fall apart. That's so true. I didn't even think of that. So yeah. So I guess I think this is all tying into that. It's the same thing. Same exact thing. Ultimately. Yeah. It's just I guess at one of them is tied to Consciousness. Yeah. So I guess what I I'm still. I'm sure about.

39:09 Yes what, what are you unsure about tell me, is I guess I'm still confused as to how the government is involved. What the relevance is the relevance is and why they felt the need to release the babies? Find these paper, right? Are we getting there? Yes, we're getting there. So the the thing like in Wayne's actual document, he's like, dude, look in order for me to even like show you or tell you what the fuck is going on with this whole process and how it works? I have to Of you a base understanding God to go in, right?

39:57 Otherwise it would be nothing, it would make sense. Yes, it would make no sense. You would, you know, he'd be talking about having a sinker like this like vibrational bullshit and you're like, yeah, fuck you. Like we just paid you how much? Like and this is what you're doing with the government's money, got it. So also the government he was so this was all funded from the government. Yeah, he works for the Army sent 100%, okay? Army like special intelligence? Okay, whatever. Okay, like this, the Army's like, you know, special intelligence team, okay? So he was stuck. He was tasked with studying this and seeing how could actually help the Army because they knew some weird shit was going on, okay? Because if he's so when you start talking about Armed Forces getting into this stuff then now we're getting in to really what they're trying to do. I think exactly?

40:46 Yeah. Okay, exactly. So so this is just like foundational knowledge that you have to do to understand how it works. And then we're going to About what the fuck are they going to do is. Okay. Yeah, intriguing, so, but in order for us to even kind of discuss that, I think that like, you know, understanding, what the fuck Consciousness even is like when I can sit here. Okay. We're conscious were awake. Like, what the, what is that? Yes, you know, do you know what it is? What color would you? What would you define it as like if you were to Define it? That's, that's a hard. I feel like if you really think about everything, that's a hard, Question, so hard. Imagine trying to tell the Army, what the fuck it is consciousness is the opposite of unconscious and unconsciousness is, when I am not aware. of my Dementia, current dimensionals presence. Oh, okay, I don't know.

41:47 I like that. I like that answer. I mean, that's a that's a kind of I kind of threw you under the bus. A fucking question. Be honest. Like I'm sorry and I was but I was trying to be real careful because when you say reality like what is reality? Yeah. What is reality, right? So that's why I was saying this to maybe this damn in this Consciousness. And this particular space and time I love that you're saying all of this because you are bringing up shit that we are going to talk about. All of this comes up, okay, /, great. And you're like, wait, I'm reading what what? The fuck's so ultimately, you know, the way that they Define it is there they talk about matter, right? Because he's writing to the Army, I have to Define this to this dude.

42:34 Who fucking is boring shit and I have to say, what is this scientifically? So he's like, you know, it's ultimately it's matter. And we're looking at what real matter is, and, you know, really were getting nerdy like my dude, McDonald, who wrote this. He's like, this is what he said. He said that the, it's an atomic structure, which is composed of oscillating. Energy, Grant surrounded by other oscillating energy grids, which orbited extraordinarily high speeds. He actually which is fucking too much. We know what fucking matter is, yeah, but he has to go into that detail. He actually says that the detail of the hurt of a Hertz of an Like that vibrational Sound Energy of an atom.

43:16 That's how far he goes into this paper breaking down shit because he has to, because he's coming back at it from a scientific background. I'm not going to bore you with that. So, you would go right over my head. Anyway, it's that's exactly what I think is going over my head. So what you really need to know is that he defines Consciousness as, you know, the function of an interaction of energy and two separate states that motion His rest. So that is what Matter Consciousness is is that interaction of energy. Okay. Okay so now let's I know you got. You've been so patient.

43:58 Let's look at into the really weird shit. Okay so are you ready? Yeah buckle up. Okay did you have your drink and hand? Now I'm going to start I'm sure I do need some actually. Yeah we're going to thank you some weird stuff. This would be appropriate. Yeah you need you need the liquid courage. Age for sure. Okay. So ultimately He starts talking about some weird shit, the Hologram and Consciousness make Matrix. Okay, I'm Kevin. I'm just going to let you do the honors and and quote him directly, okay? Okay? I can do that. The universe is in and of itself. One gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity. The human mind is also a hologram, which a Tunes itself to the universal hologram.

44:59 WTF. What the fuck? The tumen is fucking Consciousness is what he's trying to say. My brain hurts and I don't have enough. It's much. It's too much. It's way too much. It, none of that makes sense to me. None of this makes sense to me. All I know is that I've heard of the Hologram the universe being a hologram and how it kind of works within each other. He goes into great detail will see that, I And compute know that theory. No, no, no, you can't. Yeah, I can't either. I mean, ultimately, the the real question is how the fuck does this work with a Gateway process?

45:40 And why are you wasting our time? And this fucking paper, right? So I'm happy that you asked. Thanks for asking it actually. So, so ultimately, it helps our Consciousness or our brains perceive the universe and It's or our, you know, Consciousness with a filter. So we're only getting information that's actually that's pure. Without it being tainted by, how you feel or how you, you know, perceive things your ego. So when we're looking at the at Consciousness, and how it works in a greater sense with a universal Consciousness, if we can turn off that place in our brain that we're like thinking about the immediate, our immediate needs.

46:25 And we can get into that like kind of Zen State, we have the ability to have more of the universe kind of opened up for us, okay? And get those answers. Okay, not the ego being involved. Okay? So I'm gonna skip talking about quantum physics and subatomic particles and space-time like intervening Dimensions. Just know that dimensions exist like you are saying, okay, and that, I am not a damn scientist, but I am a fucking Girl, who reads romance novels and has issues with cursing? Okay, I'm not qualified. It exists and McDonald's, dry as fuck and about it.

47:07 So, there are multiple dimensions and possibilities in the universe that actually exists. So we can have more than one dimension. We could currently be in. It could be multiple Dimensions that we can have access to. All right, so we go back to our out-of-body experiences, that term, it concerns. The Consciousness is Consciousness with the allowing, the Consciousness to be outside of the body, right? Like death or dying scenarios, or if you're lucky enough to fucking do it while you're sleeping that can you can do it in the past the future, and the present. So you can go back and these out-of-body experiences, which is what they found in this Gateway process.

47:47 As people were doing it, they can go back to their past, they could go to the Future and they could they could currently like you're watching yourself. And and like being worked on or whatever you can go through and see that. So those are, those are totally different experiences and some people who are doing it consistently and get better at it. Can do even crazier shit like, you know, not just looking at your body sleeping, you know, think think about the actual use of this with the military. Well, yeah. When you start talking about being able to See, feed the future.

48:28 Yes. See the future or interact with the past. Yeah, that was the other thing. So you literally were interacting, they were just they weren't just watching. They were interacting interact with with your environment and different dimensions. But doesn't that get into that whole altering time time? And I mean, if that all up, it does and if you talk to some people, not that I'm wearing conspiracy theory have. But I do have my Tinfoil hat somewhere around here. They'll talk about the Mandela effect that is due to an altering of a timeline. Mmm, and there are multiple timelines that are happening all at once, okay?

49:11 So what if that was happening like the, of course, the military would be going and seeing what this Consciousness, you know, studies doing because these people can go even if it's in the present, right? If you're in the present and you are I don't know trying to find Osama Bin Laden. Well yeah. If I can get out of my body and go to the area write or say like, hey my Consciousness is gonna tie to like Osama Osama Bin Laden's or whomever is right. You can set that down and say like, oh, I'm here. Yes, exactly. I'm here or like the, this is how many? Like, you know, I don't know. Guards. They have or like, here's a nuclear weapon. Yeah. Like the the limits are. Yeah. It's a little less rights Limitless. So it's really why McDonald was was studying it. Okay, he he was looking at It how can this be used? Kind of as a weapon, not kind of definitely as well as a weapon, you know.

50:05 So how the he was doing it, he was taking these, these Focus tapes and stuff and going to The Institute. So like I said, I'll have it in the show notes, but it allows you to get to that State of Consciousness and projection outside of the body that projection outer body, projection Out of Body Experience. Yeah. So eventually these tapes, what they fucking do is crazy. Shit. It actually allows you to go outside your body and be able to and here are just a couple of options. They called the energy bar tool, I'm not kidding, this is actually in the fucking the document itself where you have to Envision a small dot of light and it starts vibrating you make that light pulse hate. What are they going to do with that? Pulsation, you.

50:55 Wait, no. So you make the light. Okay, had to get had together, so you see a small dot of light, huh? And then what you do is you envision it, pulsating. Okay. And you have to what you're doing is you're channeling force from the universe to heal and Revitalize your own body. Oh, your own body? Yeah. Okay, so that's one option. As you're going through. That's one thing that can happen in that were consistently happening. These are practitioners who have been doing it. So That would be good for a military military, for sure. Yeah, actually, when I was on Tick Tock, they talked about it and how like, some people who were like spies or whatever would use that if they were in interrogations setting. Sure.

51:43 And you could, if you could you knew it well enough, and you can get to that state, you could heal your body or what about the ability to not feel pain. Exactly. So the ramifications are fucking huge with that. Sure remote viewing, which is what you are talking about where they actually had a whole project on revoke remote viewing, okay? Where they would study someone would be tested like, okay, where is this nuclear you know, base or whatever? What what color is the is the guard wearing or something stupid that they had just decided. The people would come back and be accurate. There was one guy which will go over. He's going to be a topic for a future. Future podcast, but he was one of the most consistent remote viewers and he did it utilizing techniques that Robert Monroe, really kind of solidified, okay?

52:36 Then we have like a living body map and ultimately it's the same thing as that like energy pulsating wand thing. Yeah. So what you do is you actually see energy flowing fix areas and an amplified by so it's like a more more extreme energy. Bar tool. So if you're hurt or whatever, it it helps you to heal that more to not feel it. Then we get into traveling into the past. And they actually say it's on tape. Number 15, that teaches you, but you have to be using these tapes, consistently in order to get to that can just jump to 15. Yeah, I can't just jump to 15 and have it work. Yeah, these are practitioners.

53:17 Have been doing it for a while but then they can go into the past less than 5% of the people who actually, you know, do the Gateway process can get to that point consistently, okay? So, one thing that was kind of fucked-up was They were talking about people and like, actually we think of the past, like going back into the past. Well. Oh, you're going to try to save, you know, Lincoln from getting shot or something. You can go back into your own individual past and re-evaluate or fix things that you have done. Your own consciousness. Again I like how does that not change other stuff?

54:03 I mean like the butterfly effect is what you're talking about, right? Yeah. Or yeah it has to have ramification has to I would think I think that's where the ultimate other. If you're asking me, once again, romance novel reader, fucking love this shit. I think that it does have an effect on Are the actual what we're actually dealing with. So you might have multiple Dimensions. So maybe you switch over I don't fucking know or or the Mandela effect Berenstein versus Berenstain Bears. Have you heard of that? No. So the Mandela effect is where people specifically, remember, something happening in the past, they look back and they're like, oh, holy shit. Like this actually didn't happen, like, I swear to God, like this actor died or like it's named after Mandela. Nelson Mandela people swore to God that he had died and he had not died like before he was like right after he was released, or like, right before he was assassinated or something, and people are like fucking positive that he died. Like I remember, I remember a funeral, the ceremonies and everything being played.

55:18 Oh my God. Yeah I would, if that's real then when you I would go insane. Yes. Yeah because people would say, no. So you see him standing right there. Ya know what but you're like, what the fuck? But no I yeah I actually saw. That's called a Mandela effect. So it was named after that because a lot of people are like, no, no I remember this. I remember like it being televised. His funeral that he actually did die. Oh my God. Yeah. So what if that's like an example of, you know, this of this people changing the past and then little blips but you have right like where you how do people and and so if this is a thing how do those people, how do they keep People from not having this Mandela effect, you know I'm saying? Like I go and I go, I change the past whatever. Well what is it?

56:15 How do you not? You know I'm saying like how do you make people not remember what it was before. Did you ever read that butterfly like effect because forget what it was called? I think I sound. No, it's not the facade of Fury. It's something but it's basically what happens is like these people are Time, Travelers their rich people and they travel back in time to like Hunt Dinosaurs and one of the One of the big rules was you cannot do not step outside of like this like you know, roped-off area, you have to stay in this. So this guy goes and like there's an election coming up and he goes and he actually slightly goes off of the road or the trail and he steps on a butterfly and the and it was a blue butterfly in the butterfly died. When he came back to the present, everything was Changed my God, their currency was different. The the person who was actually elected versus when they left was totally different there, the language that they had was different.

57:15 So he comes back and sees that that one tiny change in the past had Furs all these. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that, it does. What if there's like police or something not to put on more of a tinfoil hat, but yeah. What if there are like time police or something that they're like, no, no, you can't fuck with us too much. That watch these people who are involved in. Yes, consciousness. Projects. So ultimately the thing that was the future is actually the last the last tape that you go over and it's the hardest one to reach to get to the Future to get into the future. And so that's on the 15th tape, I don't know what it is now but ultimately other the other aspects of the past which the individual himself has no has no connection to so like you could that's also on on 15.

58:02 So you could go to Lincoln being shot or whatever. That and the future are two things that you can do, but it's not very reliable at all. So it's only used by used by people who've done it for absolute years and here's the fuck fucking like really, really crazy thing. So this paper like I said is like over 30 pages and are over 25 pad pages and on page 24, it leaves a cliffhanger. Okay, so page 25 Missing. But this is how page 24 goes. It's talking about that conduct ultimate Consciousness and how we experience it. I'm going to have you read the quote on the Cliffhanger between page 24 and then missing page 25 and the Eternal thought or concept of self which results from this self-consciousness serves the serves Hill.

59:01 You mean just stops it stops? And the whole page is not there page. 25 is not there. It's gone. You're gone. What do you mean? Wait, I'm confused. So they mean, when they release that they didn't include page 25. Yeah, and this is our page 26. Yes. There's a page 26. I believe it's 29 Pages. Mmm, so page 25 was intentionally left out. Well, normally this is the weird thing is like, normally you have these CIA documents they'll be redacted, right? Yeah. Like horse exactly. The gold blocks at like, looks like permanent marker like why even include the page is all blacked out. Yeah you can't see anything. Yeah that's not done here.

59:41 The whole page is actually missing and of course that was any of the other was the any other part of the document redacted know. Nothing on the dock. Nothing on the documents. Redacted. No other pages are missing. No, other pages are missing, huh? And Interesting. And so was was this was this released, you know, as a physical like physical papers, it was yeah. Or was it? Because this was would have been online. The timer could have been now. So as physical paper is worth page 25, I was physically left include, it was physically, included originally, and we're talking about. So people have actually written the CIA and was like, Hey, so there was a page 25 when they released it to the public. Was it included?

1:00:27 You know, initially. No, it was not. Now once they released it 25 was gone, right? So the CIA was in charge of this paper, right? They were in charge of releasing it. The Army intelligence agency is the one who had the paper and start it created it. So they handed over to the CIA and the CIA released the paper to the public 2003. It's been missing. The CIA does not have the page, but so I say so they say, they're like, no, we don't have. It was not included. Originally, this is all we have. You can write The so they say exactly. He writes, the Army engines committee, this is how you request it. Nothing's come of it.

1:01:07 So nobody knows what the fuck page 25 is. Oh my God, hmm. Ian, I wonder what kind of answers are what kind of thoughts on Consciousness and how it affects us is there because ultimately, you know, the whole this whole like self-consciousness serves the what like is this a warning? Like I don't know. I kind of thought like maybe there's like a Warning or something here. Like, if we are self-conscious, you know, or this, the the way that we're accessing this information from the universe, if this is like some kind of like ulterior like motives, maybe it's really bad, you know?

1:01:48 Like the universe is going to let you have the information or I don't fucking know. I know it's just it's should be everybody went back in time and took it out. Yeah, they could have I don't They could have they were on like on tape 15 did it. So, you know, ultimately I think that like I think when it comes to this concept of the universe and self-consciousness, you know, the question regarding that page 25 like, you know, could big brother be keeping us out, you know, is the man keeping us down, I don't fucking know but our long-lost and unlikely friend MacDonald had said that there was that it would be good for the military to get people trained in intelligent and intelligence and Using this. And then he goes step by step on how they should start utilizing the Gateway process and this was in 2004 which 1984 this is 84. Yeah, this was originally written. Oh, I see but wasn't released until the public didn't get in 2003.

1:03:02 Okay? Yeah. C-come. He was recommending this in the 80s to the Army to start doing it. Hmm. Yes. Yeah. And people talk about about the military and, you know, spies and things like that actually using it. So I don't know. It's fucking it would not surprise me if they did. Go back in time. That's why we have these Mendel effects. If people, we would never know. We would never know unless you thought chick. How is Chick-fil-A spelled What is he? What do you mean? Why why do you ask that question? It's another Mandela effect that people talk about like you might be in another dimension. Anyways, there's like a whole list of my God.

1:03:43 Yeah, like if you remember something, so specifically somebody fucked with the timeline and so you're in a different timeline or whatever are you came from a different timeline or someone fucked the with our timeline and the past? And so you recall. This that old timeline, that was incorrect that makes my brain hurt. I know I know, I know. So those are for that was our first topic I mean. Wow. Do you think do you think this is something that is happening? Like do you feel like people are actually? I don't know. Yeah. Like they the military is actually utilizing so like I said we would never know. Yeah. Whatever you would never know if they were.

1:04:26 I mean, because they that because the government does in the military, they do things. We don't know about every single day and they've done it for Ever yours. And so, if this was a truly successful, you know, working thing we would we would never know about especially if they can go back to the past and fucking change show. But no, totally. I mean, would you ever do it? Like let's say, you were able to go to The Institute and go through their southern process. Yeah. Would you would you try to seek it out? I have an out-of-body experience. I don't feel no. I No, I don't find Value.

1:05:06 I don't think I can't think about value, okay. I mean really interesting but really, I do, I think you'd buy what you're saying, you'd have to commit to it's so hard that I don't and there's no guarantee that you're going to do it apparently, right? Right. You have closed. It only 5% of people can even do the past thing. I think you said, yeah, the past thing. Yeah, so and so, what value would it be to lift my second. So buddy. Howard, what you would be the most interested in. No, future the future. But then at the other end, the never crosses. My mind is no because then I might come back and be completely stressed out.

1:05:49 Yes, something I can't even change. Oh my God. Yeah, just imagine, like, like knowing what you like? Oh my God. Where'd. Yeah, exactly. It's post-apocalyptic. When did that happen? Oh my God. Then you be stressed about what's going to happen once you know what I mean. They just know totally, no good can come from this. I mean, I do agree. I think I would do it. I think this is really interesting. I would be interested to hear some of the codes that people have used but I would do it. I have had an out-of-body experience, really. I've had multiple, wow. Yeah, which I'll save for another conversation but the the process they're talking about with that vibrational stuff that's real. Yeah, like where you feel a vibration? And no no II agree.

1:06:40 I was real. I believe it. No, I do believe that, especially since I know that everything has its own, harmonic could Stone. So it only makes sense. That that's the thing. Yeah, that's real agreed. Well, thank you so much for listening to this next CIA released. Real paper. Yeah, intriguing, it's bizarre. Yeah, just a good bizarre as fuck. Yeah, totally and who knows where we're at today? What they're studying. That's, that's really the question. Question that is and will we ever know? No. Probably never know. But the goal. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. This was our first one and I'm looking forward to our second. Oh my God, same have a good day.