Bostons Bribery Buffoonery (Wilkerson & Turner)

0:01 Hello bizarre story, friends. You've tuned into the Bizarre AF place where we talk about the strange, the absurd, the unknown, and all things bizarre AF. I'm Kevin, I'm gonna be your host for today's episode. And as always, we ask that you keep an open mind, keep a skeptical ear, but keep listening to those facts as we take you on our newest journey. Wilkerson and Turner. Boston's biggest bribery buffoonery.

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1:44 For this episode. OK, Very excited. Here we go. Have you ever heard of a woman named Diane Wilkerson? You know what? I've not. I have not heard of Diane Wilkerson. It sounds like vaguely familiar, and I don't know if it's just because I've heard both of those names multiple times, but it's not very familiar at all. OK, well Diane is the first black woman to be a partner in a Boston law firm. OK, And she was the first to be elected into the US State Senate. First black woman. And that was in 1992. Oh. How awful. Is that? Right? Yes. Yeah. Should have been sooner. So flash forward to 2007.

2:30 Yes. And there's this thing called a public corruption department within the FBI. Okay. Now, first of all, I'm sorry, but if you have to have a department specifically about corruption, that's just honestly sad. I mean public corruption nonetheless. I think that probably what that signifies is that there is so much corruption. Truly you need to have an entire department, which I mean thank God, because. I don't trust a motherfucker, thank God. I just don't trust that that's right. And thank God we have the department because, you know, there's countries where you see corruption all the time and there's just nothing done about. It you're like, oh, we're going to pull you over. You're like for what they're like because you owe us $1000. Yeah, and you're like, are you kidding me? Can I Venmo you?

3:15 No, it needs to be cashed. They will start having those QR codes. Yeah, just scan my back and my badge. OK, yeah. So. And the purpose is to just do that, find and eliminate corruption. So they there was this cooperator. And a cooperator is just that, a person that has a handler in the FBI who cooperates with the FBI to do their gigs. Oh, yeah, OK And so he's helping them with this corruption case. And he's talking to his handler and it comes up that he and his business business partner are trying to open this supper club called Deja Vu. And it's in this town of Roxbury within Boston. OK And so he applies for this liquor license, and he was denied.

4:08 I guess it's pretty hard to get a liquor license. And he just says nonchalantly to his handler, Oh, well, I'm just going to call Diane to get some help. And the the handler goes, who's Diane? Yeah, And the cooperator says Diane Wilkerson. And the FBI goes, why would you have to call Diane Wilkerson? And the hander goes, oh, well, you know, to get stuff done, you have to call her. And so, you know, some little bells are ringing off in the FBI's head. And he goes, What do you pay her? Oh, see, I would have been like, she knows how to get things done well. This is why I'm not a police officer. It's naive and he goes well.

4:55 I haven't personally paid her. But yeah, she gets paid. And so now he's really curious and he goes well, And then how do you know this? And he says, well, because I've seen someone else pay her. In fact, I've seen it twice. One of them was my business partner. Yeah, actually. And I'm sure he would do it again because this liquor license is like make or break this business. So I'm sure it's gonna happen again. And like, this is all just kind of coming up and passing like this. They weren't focusing on the end. There wasn't like a corruption case involving her.

5:37 This just kind of came up in conversation, which started ringing some bells for this FBI handler and they wouldn't have known about it had he not probed. Like if he had he been you and go, ooh well, that bitch can get some shit done and let it go then. This is any other story? Right, right. If it would have been me, nothing would have happened and the corruption could have continued, So what? So then you start to think again. I just, I keep going back to this whole and as we go through the story is, yeah, you'll see all start getting irritated because it just makes me so mad. People, these senators, they have these double standards. They're hypocrites.

6:23 They take advantage of people. They're egomaniacs, yes. And I I know we're stereotyping, but there's a whole department that handles these kinds of people. Right, right. Well, I mean, come on, just to get into politics, you you really have to be one of those people who are. Really kind of narcissistic. Like this is what I can do. This is what I've what I've been. You know, this is what I've done in the past. This is me. Here are pictures of me. Here's my name all over the place. Like I'm going to spend all this money, like meet all these people, shake all these hands, have people like worship me, like it. The way the system works does not allow for the best people to be like, right? And I feel like a lot of people go in with that mentality. Like I'm going to change the world and I'm going to do all the right things and and then just corruption just seeps through the cracks.

7:14 Absolutely. Just like kind of starts soaking into your body, you know what I mean? Well, yeah, cuz you have to constantly, like make money and who knows how long you're gonna be in office. You might as well milk it for all that you can, because that's what makes the world go around money. So the FBI starts to dig on her, and they find out this woman's got quite The checker passed. Oh, OK, so she had a 1997 federal tax conviction for failing to file for account on a four federal tax returns. Are you serious?

7:55 And at the time, she was in her third term a senator, and she practiced law on the side that she did not report, didn't come from. Oh my gosh. And the government is saying they probably lost maybe about 5055 grand in taxes, in taxes that she owes and. That was in 97. Yeah, well. A lot more today, yeah. And these tax returns were 91 through 94, so she had Gotcha. Yeah. And so her comment to the press on this was this is a personal tax matter. I respect the legal process and for this reason I'm unable to elaborate.

8:40 I will not resign. OK girl, here's the thing. Here's the problem with that statement. You are a public servant. When you say, oh, this is a private matter, bitch, it is not a private matter. We are paying you, OK? You're getting all of these like benefits. You are for forever. Like, OK, you know what pisses me off about this? These motherfuckers can serve two years. Two years. They're taking care of the rest of their life. How many people are, you know, trying to make ends meet? Like, you know, working multiple jobs don't get taken care of. They probably work way harder and wait make. Pennies, if that, no doubt.

9:21 You know, and they're not taken care of. But these, like these corrupt fucking egomaniacs, can sit here and make so much money. Yes, And then say, Oh no, no, this is a private matter. I know I'm a public servant. But like, you just don't get it. You don't understand. Fuck you Diane. It's OK. Like, no like. These You are going to have a retirement plan from the United States government? Yeah. They get health care. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, best best health care to, like, fuck off, Diane. Fucking show us your three or four years of fucking back tax. Makes me bad. Makes me so, so angry. Office campaign of political finance in Boston had multiple cases on her every two years, like they would do this cycle of investigations.

10:10 Like that was kind of their cycle. I guess every two years and every two years something would come up on her. They just have like like their file, their actual files like so thick just on Diane. They're like, Oh yeah, we're running Diane. Everyone has to stay in a stay up late this week in the. Sad. So sad. So sad one of them was she was fined $2400 for some other campaign finance violation. So she's not paying taxes. She campaign violations. What is she doing? Just making money? Yeah, this is going to get real twisted. Check this out. Oh, and so then she only paid half of the fine.

10:52 So then when it came up for the second year view, oh, she came up again cuz she didn't pay the first time. So now she's on violation again. From the first time? For the first time, Yeah, exactly. So she keeps getting in these legal issues, they keep getting pushed away, probably cuz she's a senator. And you know how they get special treatment? Totally. So what just drives me nuts is that she's got these federal charges. I mean, they're federal charges, Yeah. How do you stay? How can you get to stay in this position? If you are a normal citizen? Your company would fire you. I mean let's let's just like, let's go to the fact that like, hey, if you want to skirt one by the man, I'm cool with that. Totally get that.

11:39 Like, I mean I'm not I'm not cool with it. IRS don't come at me. But like like, hey, I get it. You know trying to make ends me kind of in our in our anarchy anarchist. Yeah, Anarchy. Anarchy. Anarchy. Anarchy. I don't fucking anyway. But like, I I understand that. And like, I, you know, part of me is like, I wish I could be like that, but I'm too much of A role follower. But you're working for the man, the ultimate man, the United States government. You are going to be questioned by the man's bitch, which is the IRS. I'm sorry. But fucking be smarter like a hire a goddamn accountant.

12:22 That is worth it. They're waiting gold so you can hide all your money like everyone else does, You know, so you can be a good criminal be. An intelligent criminal. So she does a lot for the minority community. MMM. So. That's the thing, Yes. And so she's this very strong, powerful black woman. Yeah. Who's doing all of this good. I mean, if you look, she's doing good things for their community. Yeah. So, like, but is it in, you know, under the guise of hiding what I'm really wanting to do, You know what I'm saying? It's like what my therapist says.

13:02 It can be both things. It can like both things can simultaneously exist and can be true. Like you can have we're human and so we are flawed and crazy weird. That's why we live in a bizarre A F world because it's run by humans. But like you know you can have these these like goals and want to help your community and do great things for it, but then also be evading taxes and not paying taxes and being a total criminal. Exactly. And like taking money, I'm sure there's some kind of justification. Do the means justify the ends? Well, we'll see. We'll see. Yep. You'll be the judge of. That that's interesting. So her platform was very, very heavy on race disparities for the African community.

13:50 So she was very much appreciated and loved by this community, had lots and lots of support and like I said, helping the people, but at the same time helping herself. So you know, if if you are someone who's getting direct help from her in some form or fashion, then you can very easily, you know, if someone calls her out for something, it's very easy for you to call it a lie or to call it like and had a big deal or you know, whatever, right. So the agent asked this, this cooperator on the other corruption case, he says, I want you to set up a meeting with Diane and we're going to see if she will actually accept a bribe. So he was very hesitant at first, right, Because he's, I mean yeah he's a cooperator, but at the same time he's trying to get a business going and you just want to burn bridges and you know, so he's he's kind of hesitant. He's like backed into a corner by the government and he's like, look, she is like the highest ranking African American person in all communities.

15:01 She is a state senator. She's the only person that's getting anything done for us. Like, I don't necessarily want to do this. Sure. And so the handler, he tells this guy, he goes, well, look, think about it this way, If she really the best person, if she's the really the bad person, like isn't that the problem? Like if this corrupt person is really the best problem, Like, isn't that the OR the best solution? Isn't that the problem? I mean, he she's corrupt and you know, if she can do good things for you and the you know, the community and all of that, then she can just as easily do bad things against you too. That won't. It's a solid point, but also. It's so hard to get to a position like that, especially since she's the first black woman to do so. I know, like in 92, like, that's insane. I would feel the same way as this guy. Like, what do I do?

15:58 What do I choose? Like, how do I? Yeah, I mean, that's a hard one. Well, they have. And he says, yeah, you know what, You're you're right, you're right, you're right. The handler actually finally talked him in to doing it. Wow. It's the it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. So he does it. So maith this is maith end of May 2007, and the cooperator reaches out to Wilkerson to set up a meeting. And because they had had dealings in the past, right, because with this whole, he's a businessman, he's trying to get his bar and blah blah, blah, blah. So she accepts this meeting and so he meets her to get this liquor license. This is the point of the meeting is to give me the liquor license.

16:42 Yes, OK. So and and from A just I know that you know this is not planned or whatever, but I used to work in well I still kind of do work in in the real estate industry commercial and to get a liquor license it's very hard, it's very expensive and it is time like. Like the the amount of time, at least in the state of Colorado like to get a liquor license. It can be months just depending on how backed up they are and then like I don't know if there's even one available. If there's one available, 25 + 1000 dollars, you know, easy. And you're trying to start out a business like that's just for the liquor license that does not, that does not include any other costs.

17:24 That's right. So. I can say like, fuck, like, I kind of get that. Like if she's like, hey, this other one let me you know, it's a great excuse and it would be a great reason to meet up with someone. Exactly, exactly. So if she doesn't take the money, then they don't have a case. So that's what the FBI wants to see is if she's going to take this money. And in the first meeting, the cooperator hands her 500 bucks and she takes it kind of on the sly. She kind of just. And it's all on video. You can see it on video. Oh my God, he has. She's wearing a camera. OK, And so she takes the 500 bucks and she looks at it and she's like, very disappointed with the amount of money in her hand.

18:14 Oh, really? She looks like this is a paltry what is this? And so so he kind of he recovers. Hey, hey, no, no, no. Much more where that came from. This is just. A Hey, girl, it's just kind of went the whistle. Yeah. Yeah. And he goes, I'll we're just gonna meet up again. This is just to let you know I'm serious. I got you, girl. I got you. So since she takes the money, the corruption case starts. They're like, all right, well, tech, she's already been bribed, so they could arrest her. So weak and flimsy. Probably be out in a day, Right. So we're gonna keep this thing going. Yep.

18:59 So now it's June. Next month, he meets her again. Of course, The corruption. That same corruption squad is listening and they're watching, and they have undercovers in the restaurant nearby. That the whole bit you can imagine. And she says, I'm gonna get you, the things are in progress, I'm gonna get you the license. And he says perfect. And he hands her 1000 bucks. Okay 1000. So now at this point, it's $15 she's gotten. So she holds it for a second and she you can see this on date. She reaches up her bottom of her shirt and stuffs it in her bra. Shut up.

19:47 Right there, right there. Stupid so tough. Like like why would you just why would you do that first of all like like. That is just like some seedy ass behavior. Seedy behavior? Come on, Diane. What the fuck suss? So, so they do this again again a week later, right? Because they're trying to keep things going. He said he can take care of her. The semi hands are $2000 OK. Two weeks later, 2000, and again she reaches up her shirt and stuffs it in her broth. All on tape.

20:35 So she's now calling the mayor. She's calling the president of the City Council, She's called the joint chief of licensing for the alcohol. And in Boston, these liquor license typically range between 200 and 300,000 dollars. Yeah. Yeah, they're not cheap. Especially if they're rare or you know, like sometimes liquor license, you can buy just the liquor, sometimes they're cheaper ones you can if you as long as you serve food with them, they're a little cheaper. Blah blah blah like like just.

21:17 Beer and wine and wine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, these particular ones were just liquor and two to 300,000 bucks. Holy shit. But they had this thing called a special liquor license. OK. And the purpose of special liquor license was for disadvantaged areas to help them get these licenses that they might not otherwise be able to have access to or afford. So like in. Bars that like have like poor, like, yes exactly. Or like trying to get a. Business, yes. Owners trying to get things. Yes, exactly. That makes sense. That's. A nice. That's a nice thing to do.

21:59 And you were, so you were able to get a liquor license for $2900 + 1 dollar a seat. So I'm I'm guessing that means like if you could had a $300.00 three hundred person capacity, it was going to be $2900 + 300 dollars. So yeah, very very cheap. Yeah, a lot. Less, but they didn't have any more of those. Those were out. And So what she eventually did was she pushed and she poked and she prodded and got that Senate and the House and Boston License Authority and City Council all in this great big meeting. And they agreed that Boston would sponsor what they called this thing called a home rule petition to get forty of these special liquor licenses for alcohol for the city. Oh my God, it's like 30 and 30 by beer and wine. But Diane was going to get four of them for her area because she was doing such a good job and and you know, helping the communities and getting this all going. So she she was going to be able to get for which he was. In her jurisdiction, Yes, exactly. And so she says, oh, I'm going to call Chuck Turner and have him hold a public hearing about why there aren't more minority liquor license.

23:28 And I'm just going to make a really big stink about it and put it in the press and just make, you know, this big deal. And again, this boils. This is what pisses me off. Is that minorities or disadvantaged people or any group of people who are taking advantage of their minorityism or whatever for their own self? Gain. Gain. Hate it now. Again. Like you said your therapy said you could. Two things can be true. And yes. See I.

24:08 Think Yeah. Yes, she's she's make. She's making these lice. She's making a big stink that there's not enough liquor licenses in here. But the point of the matter is she was a greedy biatch and she wanted money is only reason she was doing it, I mean. Yes, but yes and no. But also what I'm wondering is like we were talking about do the ends justifying the means and if that means that. Actual people like her giving it to this guy who's already paid her like 20. I mean, honestly, at this point he's paid her $3500 and she's already starting to get more liquor licenses versus him paying 300,000 for a normal one like he would potentially.

24:54 I don't know. I don't know how much more he's going to pay, but but he's still like making. Oh, it's helping him. It's helping him. It's helping the community. I mean it. Is, but it's going in her effing pocket. Well, I mean. Yeah, cuz OK, so this is what I was thinking. I'm like, oh, well, then you'll have other people who can do it, who need it. But no fucking Diane is going to be. No, she's gonna pocket it. Yeah, girl, you wanna last the money make? It grain. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. Yeah. That's it's irritating. So Chuck Turner is a city Councilor, yes, and he was in her district and had a reputation for being very abrasive, very outspoken and again, very much about how being a minority and being abused is the wrong word but but taking advantage?

25:52 Taking maybe, perhaps taking advantage of not being treated equally, etc, etc. And so he, he too was African American and very quick to get things done by calling out race disparages. Disparities, yeah, And about being harassed by the police. And if you watch his videos, it's always, always that, well, yeah. They always have their fucking talking. You know what? Here's the thing about all these motherfuckers. They have like, they're three things that they say every single time. Every single one of them, yeah. Regardless of who you are. Exactly. And it's like always something to get them on the same page as the normal man, right? Yes. Or the normal person, like yes.

26:34 Look, I'm just like you. I've gone through. This and this strife and I had this happen to me. Yes, Or my family were farmers, and I know how it is to work hard like another American. It's the same fucking shit, yes, but they're the same. Like egomaniac. Exactly. It doesn't matter what you're saying. You are who you are. Color of your skin, they all do it. Yes. In some form or fashion. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. And so his community like Diane's, they loved both of them very, very much because they were calling out all the things that their community was upset about. They were helping them, moving things along regardless of how they did it. And, and not in the the best way, in my opinion, but they're making things happen.

27:27 Sure. OK, so she tells Diane tells the cooperator, which she doesn't know as a cooperator, to go meet with Chuck too and tells him what he needs. And so he does. And this is also on tape and he reaches out to Chuck's hand. He goes, I want to thank you very much, please let me shake your hand And he shakes his hand and he palms him 500 bucks. And now any. Sorry, any person with any morals, I'm gonna say it.

28:07 Any person with any morals not expecting money to be pawned into their hands. Yeah, if you were to do that to me, I would look at my hands and go what? What is this? Yeah, what? I don't want that. I don't need that. What is this for? Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. He shakes his hand, feels the money. You can see him just kind of grab it, look, keeps looking and sticks it right in his pocket, so. Like he's done it before. Like he knew what was coming. Yep. Interesting. Disgusting. So now the FBI has two people taking bribes? Oh my. God, the first two people, they investigate. Both of them are.

28:51 Yeah, right. And so shortly after this whole meeting that the cooperator comes into the FBI, he flops the recording device on the table and he says I'm done. I can't. I can't do this anymore. And if you want me to do it now, you're gonna start paying my rent. Damn straight. Damn straight. I'll fucking tell you what, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm like, is this guy just doing this out of the goodness of his heart? He needs to be getting paid. Are you fucking kidding me? Don't you wanna be like a good human being to society and contribute to the benefit of Sure. But guess what? I have bills. Mama got bills.

29:33 I have bills. That I need to pay. I don't come from fucking money. Here's my here's my But you're working yours. You're an entrepreneur. You're creating businesses. You're not. You're not. He's like, he was like because he was starting a business. He's like, I don't hat necessarily have the money. It doesn't strike me as someone who is like has a shit load of funds, right? Or else why would he go? And cooperate with a fucking FBI because all these people are fucked up and fraud. Yeah, well, truly, truly, you're you're in bed with these people. You can't be that great. And here's another. Thing Here's a lesson for anyone listening ask.

30:14 Just ask for it. It might seem really stupid or like you're not going to get it, but ask for it because you might be surprised. This is like that's like something I've been learning recently like. Oh, yeah. This is what I need. And I get it. So this guy is needing to have his bills paid. He is. He's putting in some fucking time and work for the FBI, You know, like they should be getting paid. Honestly. Like, that's to to do that whole acting. It's an acting. He's being. He's a paid actor. Okay. Yep. Yep, that's true. Get your yourself some okay. Thank you very much. So they FBI figures, well, they're gonna enter. So they're gonna introduce an inch and an undercover into the case into this.

31:09 Into this mix, yes. So they're gonna bring an FBI undercover in. Yeah, that would make sense. And once they do that, they're not gonna need the cooperator anymore because now they've got their in, right? So they okay. Yeah. Wait, I have a? Did they pay the cooperator? They never paid the cooperator. I'm sorry. Fuck. I am on the Cooperator's fucking side. Are you? What do you think? Well, Kevin, honestly, yeah, I'm, I'm really, I'm trying to be open minded here, but like this is like. Over a month of working with the FBI, think of the meetings and like the briefings that you have for me, that would that's I'm bringing the band man down.

31:56 Like that's enough for me. I'm taking the man. I'm taking those corrupt biatches away, is the thing. Let's say you're starting a business and you don't have very much money and. You're like OK at first you're like, yes. But then you're like, well why don't I just get paid while I do this anyways, cuz then I can take down the bad guy and make sure that my rent's paid. Like you said, it doesn't hurt to ask you go look, I just, I need to. Sure. I need some cash Sprinkle. And if they say no, then at least you've asked. I'm just a moral person. Sure, I talked. Kevin's like. I'm like, no ask for money. We are not rich people.

32:41 Okay, so they say to Diane and. Good old Chuck. Good old Chuck, eh? That this new FBI guy is the nephew of the cooperator and. He's gonna take over getting the liquor license now. Okay. He's now gonna be responsible cuz cooperators got other things, more important things to do in the business. And so they set up another meeting with Wilkerson to introduce the I'm Eric quoting nephew right this time.

33:25 It's the 5th bribe, and it's coming directly from an FBI agent. Oh, this time it's $3000. They don't give, they don't give our cooperator any money. They're like, here's 500 twice and like $1000, but here we go, here's 3000 from the FBI agent. That's so funny. So now we're up to 6500 bucks for Diane. So. Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say. Diane has really made it out, Chuck, he's only made 500 so far at this point. He's only made 500 bucks. Yep, 65. 100, you said, Yeah, yeah. So they introduced yet another FBI undercover guy and this guy's introduced as an out of state business developer. And so he pays her another $2000 to keep that license, that liquor license thing going.

34:26 Because they're gonna also need this for one one of his, one of his businesses, Okay. So I remember cuz she's got four, right? And so, during one of the meetings with the new undercover, Wilkerson pitches a new scheme. She mentions this thing called Parcel 8. Okay Well, Parcel 8 is a state owned piece of property. And she kept talking about this thing called direct designation, OK. And this particular piece of land was very valuable.

35:08 Yeah, especially like in that area. It was in that Perfect area. It was a great parcel. And she says she could directly designate it to this developer through a piece of legislation so that it wouldn't have to be put out for a bid. Like she could just directly designate this parcel. And so he's like, keep in mind it's the FBI. He's like, yeah, heck yeah, let's do this thing. So a month later he gives her another $7000. Oh my.

35:48 God, so now we're up to like 35135 Little Diane. She hasn't delivered anything by the at this point, by the way. Oh. Yeah, she's just well, OK, actually she kind of has cuz she's gotten that legislation passed. She's had legislation passed. That's right, she's got 4 licenses and she has four. Yeah, that's right. Now it's. That's true. Bring. On the highest bidder? Yeah. So the FBI ups the annies and they suggest yet another meeting with yet another interested Invest air quoting here in the state of Georgia. They're really trying to amp this up. And they're like, Oh yeah, so you're going to be all dirty. We got all the people you need, girlfriend. You're going to be rich.

36:36 And so arrange this whole thing in Atlanta, and they're going to roll out this whole scenario, and there's going to be like 12 undercover cops in this hotel. They send her a plane ticket. I mean, they've got this whole thing set up where it's gonna be this investor with all this money and he just needs her help and she's gonna be like, rich. Yeah, she never shows up. She fucking. Smelled it. She lost the primary. The primary was happening. She lost the primary. So she is in the fight of her life to stay in the office because now she's gonna lose her meal ticket. Yeah.

37:18 So she didn't go. She was focused on this primary. So she's doing this thing, what they call a sticker campaign. And I guess that's kind of like a write in. Oh yeah. It's something to do with write in and so and she's hoping, yeah. So she's hoping that that she had to do it that way for some reason. I don't know politics, but that's what she had to do. She didn't win her. Campaign her. Her party's? Yeah, exactly. So she's not on the ballot, right? So she's exactly. So she's focusing in all on that. So honestly, that's. Fucking hilarious. So the developer, I'm recording, guy says to her.

38:03 Oh no, she says sorry, She That's right, she says to this developer. She goes like, I'm, I'm in the fight of my life here, yeah. I might lose my. I'm gonna lose my seat. You gotta give me $10,000. Because you're my friend. I'm not gonna do anything for you. But but I mean, she makes a good point. Like, hey, look, if I'm not here, then I can't. Do anything. I can't do anything. So you need to. It's in your best interest to give me money. Yeah, totally. So 10,000. So she's straight up 10? Yep, straight up asked for 10 grand and he gives her 10 grand. Oh my gosh. Diane, he says. But if I do this, I need that personal 80, OK? If I give you this 10 grand, you need to direct. Designate me that personal eight, yeah. You're desperate.

38:53 I'm desperate. Exactly. And so she says, yes, I will. I will do that. I will do that. This is all on tape, by the way. She's like, he's like, here's the 10,000, she's like, let me stuff it up on your mind, bro, she. Has like these huge boobs. She's like no, no, no, no. I'm just swollen or something. It's a limp issue. So they meet in this little sandwich shop, he gives her the $10,000 and she shows him the filing where she does that direct designation to the land. OK, yeah, so she's keeping her word. He's giving her the cash. So now it is like there is no question Diane be corrupt.

39:37 Diane is like corruptible corrupt. Died. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you've heard bribing a state senator. That's what's what happened. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it sounds awful and it is. I mean, yeah, that that's exactly what what happened here. So now she's what, like 20-3 Five? Yeah. So there's this election coming up. They decide to move on. Move on with this before the election. Yeah, of course. And in October, they're waiting outside of her house to nab her. Because if she doesn't have any, they can't continue, so they surveil.

40:20 Yeah, grab her. So she comes out and they rush in and she's like very surprised, sure, what's happening. And so they put the cuff on her, they take her back into her house and they start the search. And she says, what is this about? And the FBI agent says, well, let me just give you a name, You know, the name. Oh smart. I was wondering if this would happen. And she gives her the name of the second undercover guy that the developer, the one, the Parcel 8. And she goes, yeah. And the FBI says he's an FBI agent. And the FBI said in their report They go, you could see. Like her eyes kind of get a little bit bigger and you could just see the wheels spinning.

41:21 Like, what did I say? What did I do? Where were we? What? What happened? How much money did I take? Did I take? Exactly. And so the FBI goes, so we want to talk about the ought. And she says, Oh yeah, I'd be happy to talk to you about that just as soon as I talked to my lawyer. Yes, yes. So that end of that conversation, she was arrested, taken to jail. Evidence response teams are simultaneously searching her office, of course, also her campaign office and her home.

42:07 Like all three places, Every place that she would potentially have. Exactly, yeah, information they are. Also at City Hall at that exact same moment, going to talk to Chuck Turner, Chucky, come on. And they ask him, do you know the cooperating witness? Did did he ever pay you any money? And they were all absolutely very pointed direct questions. And the and the oh, and then they also that was the other thing they go you know the you know the guy we're talking about the one that slipped you $500. That guy because remember he.

42:54 Yeah, yeah, the handshake thing. And he's. Lately, flat out lies because I have never in my life taken money from anyone. Oh yeah, I mean, that's a total lie. I I was thinking he he blatantly lied about saying I don't remember who he was because I've done it so many times. And this is all being videotaped. And he says, sure quote, I didn't take any money from any other developer or any other person. I don't need people's money to do my job. OK, well, we never said the word developer, but OK, that's OK. You gave us extra like be as broad as you possibly can. If you're caught in a lie, don't be super specific. That's how you know so.

43:48 About two weeks later, they decide to arrest him and about 6 FBI agents walk into his office and he has his feet up on his desk and he's on the phone. You know, I'm like. The typical Jr. bigwig. Yes. And he looks over and he can clearly see it's the FBI. They got those Blue Jackets with the huge yellow letters on it. FBI, right. And so he just keeps talking on the phone, looks away, ignores him, just keep talking on his phone and they're just gonna look at each other and they let him finish his call. But he's being very disrespectful, very flippant to the FBI. Very flippant. And so, like they're saying you know, you you're gonna get arrested right now, I'm gonna put the cuffs on you and you're now, since you're being so flippant, you're gonna get a perp walk.

44:41 Oh, great. So perp walk is, Yeah. So perp walk is they're gonna make sure everyone sees that you are in handcuffs. They're gonna walk you through the office, the front doors, right through the front. Yeah. Everybody in the mother can see, yeah, so, like, so perp walk. Like if they're doing that is to embarrass you and to try to create some drama. Yeah. If you cooperate and you go through, they'll be like, okay, well, we'll bring you through the back. Yeah, exactly. We'll put jacket over your hands and yeah, make it less obvious, yeah. So there's people outside because they they find out what's going on. I'm not sure how this occurs, but there's it's like people like protesters and stuff and they're holding signs and it says we stand by Turner and what's his crime?

45:32 He fights for the people. And Chuck, you need to investigate the FBI. F the FBI, they're the liars. You know, we've all seen it before. Sure, he has. His crime. They're. Heckling the FBI. They're calling the FBI racial cleansers. Oh, yeah, OK. I mean it's. Going off the rails. So Chuck Turner gets expelled from Boston City Council, Sentenced to three years in prison. Serves 2, of course. And he was convicted of bribery, 500 bucks lying to the FBI. Got it on tape. I mean, like, like the fact that all he made was 500 and well, I'm there.

46:13 They know he did before. Yeah. I don't have the proof of it. And so he told tells the media that he was in jail because of political persecution and that he was among the nation's most respected civil right leaders. Just like Rosa Parks. Oh my God, Chucky. No on tape. Chucky, what are you thinking? So the FBI. Responds with what? We particularly took great offense with Mr. Turner's representations that he should be compared to some national greatest civil rights heroes such as Rosa Parks. Mr. Turner is no Rosa Parks. He's convicted felon who took a bribe and then compounded that offense by lying about it repeatedly. And here are our receipts.

46:54 Check out Chucky. Chucky taking the bribe. So. So the bond. So then she So Diane. Yeah, good old Diane. All she cares about is herself. So she she's getting a lot of pressure. All of this crap that she did is on tape. We got like. 10s of thousands of dollars recorded of her taking my So she's like, OK, I think I'm gonna need to resign. Yeah. From the CNOT. Yes, I mean girl get a spec the. Call Girl. I think your time is up, The jig is up. Hopefully invested it. She pleads guilty. To 8 counts of extortion.

47:37 Sentenced to 3 1/2 years, which I don't know, three and 1/2 years for. Yeah, federal prison. For bribery. 3 1/2 years? I don't know. I don't know. Last year, Alicia, What year is this? It's 2023, a last. Year, she announced. She's running for Senator again. Girl Diane the balls. Hey Diane, if you want to come on our podcast do you want to do your? Do you want to. Yeah. You want to get some hype on your campaign? Yeah, yeah. Come come over, we'll talk, we'll bring this stuff up. We want to hear what you are talking about, Diane. But like also, we just want to hear your. We do.

48:24 Like, we won't even. Like, we'll just highlight this discussion. Yeah. Yeah, just like a quick promise we won't bring it up. We won't slip us $500. We don't have any cameras under the table. Yeah, not under the table, just above them exactly. Pretty clear you're running for office, Diane. Diane, what are you thinking? And this? You know what? This goes out to all politicians. Yes. Stop. Just stop. You're being held. To a higher standard, you should be yes.

49:04 You should be held to a higher standard. Stop the buffoonery. You guys are straight up fucking buffoons. I get out of a buffoon too. But like, you guys are real the the real OG buffoons. Like, here's another thing I was thinking of while while you're telling me all this stuff that, like, Diane was making happen where she's like, OK, let's like, get the special counsel together, let's do this, Here's another way to do it. Like you almost kind of have to have that scheming, you know, thought process to get so far in politics. You do? And I don't. I don't look down upon that at all. Because that's just the way you get shit done.

49:45 Yes, you have to, yes. And you have to be able to bring people in and like, use them and have them use you and be OK with that and not be offended but to do. It get a buck in your pocket, but that's F you agreed. Totally agreed. But here's the thing. That kind of a personality is just gonna do it no matter what. See that's. The other thing too, because I feel like people go in, I feel, and again, we're generalizing, but I feel like people go in with all the best intentions, not all of them. Someone go in shit heads right off the start, yeah, But some, I feel like some go in with all the best intentions and through they are corruptible, yes, and because it's so corrupted. You get infected by that very easily and sometimes probably they feel like they have no other choice. But I will say you always have a choice. Yeah, always.

50:46 Yes, yes to do the. Right thing. Even when no one's looking. I do. Yeah. I agree with you on that. It's very true. Do I? Do we get the buffoonery? Yes, But if we want the world to, like, move forward, if we want to rise above all the bullshit and like the toxic stuff that's going on, we have, we have to do the right thing. When no one's looking like it, really, that is really what matters. Everyone has. To do that, yeah, absolutely. I was going to do a Kevin's tangent. I was gonna close on a Kevin's tangent. Oh my God, do you think I should?

51:27 Or should I just call it a day, wind it up, you think? Let's hear it, Kevin. Yes, I think I need to make a. Little Jingle like Kevin's tangent or something like that. That's it. That's the Jingle. OK, here's my tangent. Yes, if you don't have checks and balances, I don't think. You can honestly trust public officials. And if you can't trust public officials, society will spiral. They are and they should be held to higher standards and they take an oath.

52:12 And senators are public officials. They have to be held to higher standards. So when you hear all these news reports about Senators. Public officials, and they're complaining about how corrupt the FBI is. I mean, really think about the source of the complaint and the reason for that complaint. It's really easy for them to say, oh, you know, I'm being persecuted because of my race or I'm being persecuted because of my, I don't know, sexual orientation or my political party. But why? Is it because, generally speaking, as seems to be a constant few who say that repeatedly?

52:52 And if that was the case, then the FBI would be making up fake allegations for all of the senators in all of the parties that they didn't like. And it would also be said that the Supreme Court is too corrupt and untrustworthy to perform their duties without bias. It's quite clear that they are when opinions are drawn down political lines. But like, wait, you're kind of tangent there. Sorry, I digress. If the FBI says you've broken the law, then. I think you need to trust me when I say you've broken the law.

53:32 Like they didn't just make it up. And if by chance, let's just say by chance they have or they do. Then you can also trust me that it will and would come to light. Yeah, too much scrutiny, too much public eyes on these types of things, with these types of people. And just because you say something is the other thing doesn't make it true, right? Yeah, I know it's very true. So. Again, boils down to just be a good human being, have morals. Have respect for each other and just always do the right thing, even when no one's looking.

54:22 And if everybody did that, it would just be peachy and scene and. Scene. So that's my corruption story. I'm thinking I might do a series of like pink color crimes or something. Pink color. What's pink color? Doesn't have to be women's crimes, but it's typically, well, it is nonviolent, very kind of unaggressive, unassuming crimes. Pink color is. Can we? If people do, can we wear pink? Yes. So this is kind of.

55:02 Like in a pink color crime? Yeah, I kind of call it so. I love it. OK, so more of. These to come? Maybe, yes. Thank you so much for sharing. Sure. And it's really important. Sorry, don't vote. For Diane. Yeah, Diane girl. Sorry, girl. Can't. Can't do it. I mean like we need to just have a monitor on you at all times. Exactly, if you are taking money. Give it to a charity. Give it right. Give it to children who need fucking school supplies or something. Like, yes, exactly. You can be a criminal and a savior. Yeah, things can be true. OK, Robin Hood. Hello. Exactly. Stole from the rich. Gave to the poor. That's what you could do, Diane.

55:42 That should be, that should be like your your motto. Well, that's some good motto. Yeah. OK. Well, thanks for again for joining me today. Thank you. All right, I'll talk to you soon. Talk to you soon.