Bad Karma: Death by Academic Institution

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Hello, bizarre story.
Junkies if you're listening

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right now you are tuned into the
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the strange, the Absurd, the
unknown and all things bizarre

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as fuck.
I am Alicia your host for

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today's episode and like always
we ask that you keep an open

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mind a skeptical ear but keep on
listening to the facts.

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As we take you on our newest
Journey, Bad Karma, death by

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academic Institution.
Ahoy Ahoy.

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How are you my little co-host
with the most?

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Kevin angered cared?
Good, good.

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How are you doing?
I'm good.

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You know, it's getting a little
chillier here.

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I love and the bizarre.
Those.

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Yeah.
They're my faves.

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I know I love that.
That sweater that you're wearing

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the cable-knit moment.
We love it a asymmetric.

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Yes. - oh, I love a symmetrical.
Yes.

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You're doing good ready for
today.

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I'm ready.
I'm excited.

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Yeah, I don't know what we're
talking about, and I want to

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dive into some nuts Nest.
Okay, cool.

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This is it's pretty nuts.
Okay, so I think I'm actually

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going to start out maybe with
with a little quote.

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Okay?
And it's actually it's by the

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person that we are covering
today.

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Who transports?
The quote is information is

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power but like all power, there
are those who want to keep it

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for themselves.
Hmm, this is true.

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Say true.
Okay so you know we often hear

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about those like Tech Geniuses
who you know, change how we kind

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of interact with technology who
are a few that come to your mind

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Kevin jobs, Steve Jobs, agreed,
yep, my Tesla boo, you're

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absolutely Lon mask, he's crazy
as fuck, he is crazy as fuck.

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That's like a different way of
thinking of things right?

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Yeah.
I know there are others.

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I don't know if Albert Einstein
was crazy.

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I feel like he was crazy.
He was super smart.

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Very, very intelligent.
Kind of changes the way that we

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see things.
So smart, just like, super smart

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correlate to Wacky personal like
you don't know how to behave

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around people, kind of person.
That's a great question.

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I mean, I'd say that a lot of
the folks that we knew in the

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past like for instance Tesla
Nikola Tesla, which we would

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have will have to do an episode
in the neutron him.

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Yeah.
You know you could.

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Say that he was potentially on
the spectrum of autism.

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Yeah.
Oh.

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So was that, maybe that's what
it is.

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That could be part of it.
You have a, your brain, just

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kind of fires, ours differently.
Yeah, different way.

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Yeah.
You know, when I'm thinking

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about like some of the tech
Geniuses and stuff I think of

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like Steve Wozniak because
another one Bill Gates.

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Yes, right.
Yeah, you know, dudes for like

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ultimately really sweet smart
and are able to, like, kind of

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organized intelligent people,
which I would say, maybe Steve

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Jobs was really good at
organizing until Yeah, yeah, and

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they have like companies, they
started their parents basements

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garages and general, don't
really get laid until they've

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been billionaires, right?
Southern right to come here

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suddenly cute.
Oh my God.

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Wait, how much money do you
have?

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Yes, you're down.
So, you know we're talking about

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Aaron Swartz and honestly, Aaron
Swartz was no difference in

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intelligence.
No different in intelligence.

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He was born north of Chicago and
from a younger age, who really

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Lloyd, you know, learning and
seeking knowledge.

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And, you know, I think a great
way to kind of explain him or to

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talk about him, is he was very
principled.

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He and his family, they're
incredibly principal people.

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They believed they had really
strong beliefs, and, and

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ultimately, you know, this
principle nature came up a lot

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and are did swartz's life.
So, you know, he was, he's

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around my age, 1986 was when he
was born and, you know, I'm

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talking about How much he loved
learning.

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And one of the topics that he
really threw himself into was

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computers.
He loved studying the culture

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around it, because when I was
younger, like, you know, you

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could, you could learn coding
and it was very, very simple.

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You could learn the internet,
you know, everything I feel,

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I'll be honest, I kind of feel
like I'm a little added depth

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and talking about computers
with.

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Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of
like languages.

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I love it.
I love it.

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I'm gonna ask you some
questions.

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So, okay.
I will do my best.

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Yeah Kevin you are you are a
tech person.

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You can see computer technology.
Yeah well speak different link

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computer languages you know
them.

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Yeah.
Yeah I do not I'm like what's

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like speaking.
It's like speaking in foreign

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language it's so is same thing.
Like I speak French I don't

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speak any languages.
I can write Koko gramming

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languages.
Yes yes I can't think that's the

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same kind of thing like I do.
Dave, Dave can write like

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programming languages.
I cannot know for him, no way.

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But I feel like when you're
passionate about it, you you

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know you really kind of go deep
into the deep end with, you

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know, these like that's just it.
If your passion about anything

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you will.
Yes, you'll dive into it because

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you love it because you love it
and maybe you're a little

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obsessive.
And I think the Aaron Swartz was

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very obsessive about these
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Like he was one of those people
who may be potentially, I don't

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know.
I don't think he was diagnosed

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as being on the, on the Spectrum
but it could have been because

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he was All about it, like coding
and like getting into the

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nitty-gritty gritty so much.
So to the, you know, he was

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we're going to flash forward to
Aaron and 1990 he was it was 12

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years old and while the rest of
us are freaking out and 99.9

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thinking, oh my God, the world's
gonna end millenniums happening.

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I was doing it so that I do not
to digress, please, don't they?

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So work.
Had some when I was working with

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the time, this whole 1999 thing
was With a huge thing.

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And so moving over to 2000
because of the time, clocks the

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clocks, none of the clocks were
generated, so it would switch

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over to 2000.
It was all right in the 1900s.

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That's right.
Like is the world going to add

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that while they and they weren't
sure if computers were going to

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flip over.
So like when it turns 2000, like

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our computers going to break
like did week I count for that.

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And so the company that I was
working with actually hadn't, I

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was so I was at a New Year's
Eve.

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Party.
Okay, they had.

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So we had prepared for this for
like years insurance, right was

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a huge deal, they had me going
into work, I had to get to work

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at by 11:00 that night so that
when I switched over like we

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were all there like just to make
sure nothing happens to like do

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something.
I don't know what we were

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supposed to do like in case like
ship failed, right?

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We had to fix it so it wasn't,
it was an event, it was an

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actual event.
Like, from my perspective, I was

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12 years old when I did it or
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So I went to we went to just get
water because I lived in Arizona

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and the water, the tap water in
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So you have to go and go to like
water stores to buy like actual

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water.
That's like, that's okay to

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drink.
So I was there and we didn't

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realize oh it's December 31st.
There was a huge line because

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people thought the end times
were coming and they were lined

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out the W.
They were trying to bring as

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much water into their house
because you know as humans we

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need water.
So that was my interaction with

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with 1999 to 2000 so amazing,
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Aaron's also, you know, just
about he's a year older than me.

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So just about my age that at
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So he while the rest the world
like freaking out thinking the

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world's going to end stockpiling
water and food as the Millennium

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approach, this dude creates a
website called the info Network

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and ultimately it was a
user-generated encyclopedia,

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it's kind of like Wikipedia,
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And the Guy ends up actually
winning Awards.

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This 12 year old wins Awards wow
which puts them on the map for

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coding and about two years
later, he actually becomes a

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part of this group.
The RSS group not to put you on

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the spot.
But you know what RSS is is that

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like the the data feeds like an
RSS feed.

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Yes.
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So an RSS RSS feed is.
It's a web feed that actually

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allows the users and
applications to access updates

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and to websites in.
Standardized like computer

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readable format, right?
We use RSS for our podcast.

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So that's how we get distributed
to all of the suppliers, an RSS

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feed.
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So very relevant, very relevant.
Okay, we use it today, dude.

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I had no idea.
I'm like looking at this I'm

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like, what the fuck is our has a
screw so it's like looking it up

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and yeah he's a twelve-year-old.
It's kind of like a genius as

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far as as far as early groups.
So He he's like on these huge

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panels with, you know, men in
their 50s, who are Parts, like,

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who are in these RSS groups like
really Cutting Edge at that

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time.
And talking about the, the

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potential.
That's like that RSS could

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really do in the internet.
Like, when were talking about

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1999 worth talking about like
those really shitty website,

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stupid likes really stupid, you
still had Ask Jeeves like Google

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really Even a thing, they look
sad.

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Um, MapQuest Google like Google
Maps was not a thing.

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It was MapQuest.
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Like these things were, it
wasn't nearly as verbose as it

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is today.
So I'm sure this RSS group, you

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know?
They they really actually this

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group creates the first
iteration of an RSS web

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application, amazing, which is
what we use.

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We use it.
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And that's really a huge deal
that, you know, you kind of have

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a better idea, maybe if your
legs exciting.

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I mean, that's like crazy.
That's what that's that is like,

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Frontier Forefront with can be
like, yeah, stuff.

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It's really.
It really is like a wild.

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Sure.
It's seeing the future seeing

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what what options are available
and saying, hey look we can do

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this, we're going to create this
and maybe it's not going to be

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able to be used in the right
intended to be used.

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But like years later, it's going
to be have somebody listening to

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her like creating a podcast.
Yep, distribute and distributing

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it you as RSS feeds?
Yes.

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So You know, this dude, he's
super, super smart believes.

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Like really has a principled,
like, thought process up behind

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like provide, like not seeking
lot knowledge, and not hiding

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Knowledge from other people.
Like, despite like, you know,

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economic background, like, if
you want to learn, you should be

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able to learn and it's very, you
know, very apparent as far as

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his, you know, his going through
RSS like this RSS group and like

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being, he was really ahead of
that.

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So, He goes to an Ivy League
College, it's actually Stanford

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and he really actually isn't a
fan of it.

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He goes into he's like you know
what board, because he's so

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smart.
That's that's the bottom line

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is, he's incredibly bored and he
really actually seen more of a

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loner like he thinks that he's
going to go into this experience

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where everyone can be seeking
knowledge and like trying to

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like figure shit out and like
the stuff that you're going to

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study is stuff that you're
really genuinely interested in.

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Oh guess what?
That's not actually the case.

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It's really right now working.
And so right?

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He was kind of turned off by
that idea.

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He didn't really like going to
school today, to kind of like

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rub elbows with other, you know,
intelligent people or well-bred

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people, which is really those
ivy league folks.

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So, you know, he's seen more of
a loner, just like a lot of

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programming guys at that time
were and of course, you know,

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this really is the case, because
how do you the fuck do you get

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good at programming?
Not by having an active social?

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Social life.
Totally, you do if I like being

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totally cool with sitting in
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literally typing in letters and
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corner and coding and being all
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that is a definite part of it.
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fast-forward to ultimately what
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So essentially are Well, known
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gifted coder.
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actually called the Y combinator
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He actually connects the startup
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for a visually interesting
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background, and it's only text,
like, you can insert pictures

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and makes it, it's clickable
like things that you actually

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want it.
Interact with.

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So he he's like hey look this is
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I'm going to work and do this
and drop out of college.

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So he drops out of Stanford and
he works full-time for the

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startup in 2005.
So that's what he's doing in.

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2005, 2005 for me I was
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trying to figure out who the
fuck I was like.

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Oh my God like figure out like
ways for people to gain more

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knowledge.
Like, ya know, I wasn't I was

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like, do I like like who which
boys do I like and you know like

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let me drink some Mad Dog 40 40,
it's definitely not not coding

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shit so he's working full-time
at the startup and ultimately he

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didn't like the python code that
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So I you know, if I thought I do
not know it but I have I have

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progressed.
I went God's so nerdy.

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Yeah, let's hear it.
I went I went to computer.

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You are a computer Camp.
Oh my God.

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Kevin and we had to program
different languages and it's

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like some of them were like
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discs, and then we have the 12
inch discs and the Roman

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floppies.
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and Python and program every so
geeky.

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It's so cool geeky when was
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Camp, honestly, you have to tell
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before just before leaving for
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Okay, I was in high school in
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So this is like late 80s.
Oh my God.

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So you're really cutting out.
Do you know everything?

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I was so Tito into computers
when I was yeah.

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When I was because computers
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like a mainstream thing.
Like they were starting to

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introduce them into houses homes
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late.
Yeah, late 80s.

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I was trying to be a ahead of
the game and I begged my father

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for a computer and yeah.
She ended up buying one.

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I know he couldn't afford it.
I know he couldn't fucking

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afford it.
He bought me one, anyway.

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He's like he's like, hey, I know
that you're interested in this.

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Yeah, I want you to do.
What's right?

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Oh, that's so sweet.
Yes, I was.

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I've been in the computer since
I could think computers.

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You're you're you're like an
Aaron Swartz.

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Love it.
Yeah.

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No I don't know.
Mama Spectrum but not no no but

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like you enjoy it he was maybe
obsessive.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Those guys I have I bow down to
those kind of guys because they,

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I mean, they are in, they get
it, they're Geniuses Geniuses.

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And they can think way ahead
beyond what anybody thinks of.

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At this very moment, they can
just not necessarily predicting

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the future but they know what
people are going to need or want

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or they can think way ahead of
all of yes, it's insane.

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I don't know what any of these
fucking acronyms or I think

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Kevin you probably should have
been doing this episode.

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Thank you.
So ultimately, you know, he had

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said he dropped out of Stanford,
he goes to infogami, he didn't

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like the python code that they
were actually using.

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He's like, yeah, this is
bullshit, there's a better way

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to do that because you could
write his own code.

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So he created web pie which was
web page was the web application

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framework for in.
Kogami at that time, that he

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actually created he created
himself.

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So in early fall of 2005, he
actually connects with another

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that Founders group y combinator
startup.

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They you might know this
startup.

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It's Reddit essential on my God
so he connects with them as he's

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working for infogami because
they're both part of that.

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Same Founders like group that
found both of them infogami and

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read it.
And I'll be honest, like I kind

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of feel like I've said this
already that I'm out of my

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depth, but this kind of this
talk makes me a little thirsty

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and it's not because I'm
actually interested in like, and

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do these Tech dudes.
It's really because I need to

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fuck and have a drink before I
cannot, oh my God over my head

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and my pay grade.
So ultimately, you know, Aaron,

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you know, joins with the Reddit
folks, to rewrite, its lisp

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code.
Database like code, code base,

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and so use Python and web pie.
And although it's successful

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info gummies, Tech ultimately
was abandoned so the co-founders

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grew or the founders group
actually suggest that he and

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like Reddit and info go me kind
of merge, okay?

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And when they do that because it
like Reddit and infocomm are

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both using this web pie like you
know, application they make

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Aaron a co-founder of Reddit.
Okay?

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So he is technically one of the
cofounders of Wow, in the very

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beginning, I know like one of
the dudes is like dating Serena

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Williams or married to Serena
Williams right now.

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Yeah wow.
Yeah.

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I mean, like, how cool is that?
Like that dude definitely

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fucking struck gold.
Oh well GERD and she's amazing.

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Wow.
So do you actually use Reddit?

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So I have, I'm not a I'm not a
loser although I have like, when

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I mean As with probably 90% of
the population, guy mean.

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Yeah.
Google is my bitch.

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Yes.
And so, you know, many times

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when I'm searching for something
red, it's probably the one of

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the top 10 things that comes up
many times.

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Yes.
So I have been to read it.

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You know, it always asks you if
you want to do the app or the

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browser I always say in that
browser Hauser's, I just want to

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download the app but I have
found many useful things in.

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Reddit, I love right up.
I personally use it all the time

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and I'm active in a couple of
subreddits.

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I'm not gonna tell you, you can
find anything.

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Like even it's actually one of
the rep website that I go to

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like if I'm traveling or if I
don't see literally go in.

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I'll search for settle into
Reddit, I'll search within read

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it because if there is anything
that like people will vouch for

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say like those overrated or
there's a lot of trolls up, it's

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ready.
Like, you know, if you go onto

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something like golly, like open
table or what is the other like

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Yelp or something like that for
for restaurant ideas, never got.

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You can't trust a lot of those
because the a lot of like the

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going reviews and yeah their
Bots or they've been bought Bo

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ught like they've been paid for.
Yeah, so you can't count on

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anything so if you're, you know,
if you're looking for something

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like Travel places in Germany,
which I'm going to Germany, you

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know, this you do read it, I do
read it.

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Yeah, I do read it.
I'll look real people kind of

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stuff, real people like and I'll
actually I'm active.

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The one that I will talk about
is I'm active on the Denver

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subreddit.
So if people have questions

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about like things to do while
they're in Denver I've commented

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it's been like hey if you're in
this place you're seeing an

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avalanche game like here are
some spots that you should go

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check out.
Like most people ask questions

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and then real people will
actually respond to him so I'm

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act, I love Reddit.
Okay, but I understand, I

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understand how people would like
it or not, like it's kind of

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like a message board system.
I love it.

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No.
Again, I'd have never seeked it

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out, but I know that there's, I
found useful information, great

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information.
So, ultimately at that time,

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like, in 2006, it's incredibly
successful, right?

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It really takes off and is
purchased by condé Nast, do you

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know?
Countenance?

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No, well, they own wired them.
Kazim.

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Oh and Vogue.
Wow.

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Oh my God.
And they do Conde Nast Traveler.

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Like they had they own a ton of
stuff.

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Those are some things that you
might hear about.

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So what do you think happens
when a company like Conde Nast

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purchases read it.
I mean you did what happens when

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I think of company like Conde
Nast purchases Reddit, which are

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in is now co-founder of Of 0 and
a person.

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Like Aaron, what do?
What does he do?

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Oh, he wants probably like the
man, right?

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Like the man.
He's like fuck that.

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Yeah.
You know what I was I was kind

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of thinking about he's like,
well, one, he's like, I'm not

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into like The Devil Wears Prada
and, you know, and he kind of

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scrams that office kind of
office life.

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But while I was like reading
about, you know, the purchase of

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Contour, count cotton, as
purchasing Reddit, I kept on,

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thinking of like Miranda, Lee
did you see the devil is proud?

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All my gosh times.
The love it.

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Oh God.
So I kept on imagining them like

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being in the same elevator and
Aaron like Swartz being like who

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the fuck is?
This isn't like yeah.

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Miranda Priestly like you know,
in the only elevator waiting for

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her fucking lot are her
Americana or whatever.

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Like you're not wearing the
right shoes.

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You know what he's like?
I don't give a fuck exactly like

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what does your brain look like?
She's like, it doesn't look

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good.
I don't.

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Care what, who anything else?
That's, you know, I just think

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of like those two coming into
each other like and it just

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would Polar Opposites super
polar opposite.

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Yeah.
So ultimately Aaron finds finds

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a passion that he can fund
because he, with the acquisition

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Conde Nast purchases, it, he
gets a buyout, right?

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He's out.
So he's way, he's part of

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Reddit, he's part of, right?
He was one of the co-founders at

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this point and then this other
company.

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Rabbis yes Conde Nast purchases
read it.

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They found out.
He's out.

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He's like well do you think he's
at?

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He's never gonna just don't want
to be part of that.

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No way.
You should arrogance.

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Yeah, Hugh kind of wants to be
free and yeah, of course.

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That's so like because he's like
this genius programmers.

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Yes.
You're not going to be

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controlled by the man.
Exactly.

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I want freedom I want to be able
to do what I want to do.

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I want to do some cool shit and
you're never going to do that

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under a corporation.
So he pieces out And ultimately,

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what we find is that he be can
begins to actually go into

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politics and activism because
that's really where his passion

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is, right?
Like allowing like shit to be

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free, like like why and his
family, like I said, before are

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very principled.
So, so his his film with are all

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passionate the principal people
and remember that quote at the

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beginning.
Mmm information is power.

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But like all power, there are
those Those who want to keep it

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sells, huh?
That's how he really lived life

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and he wanted transparency with
officials in power.

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So whether that was government
politicians Etc.

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He thought transparency is
really the way that we could

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move forward.
It's kind of like a Star Trek

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like positive thought like we
all if we all are working

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together and trying to seek out
knowledge then the world's going

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to work and I love that thought
process, that's more.

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So like I'm very like Of the
glass is half full kind of

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optimistic person, but he
actually believed in the so

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strongly, he created this
website and you may have heard

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of the heard of it.
It's no longer working today to

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not same iteration, but it's
called Watchdog dotnet.

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I think I have heard of
Watchdog.

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Yes.
Yeah.

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You probably have a lot of us
have heard of it and it really

451
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:20,500
just Aggregates data about
politicians and it doesn't.

452
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:24,500
So does it does it visually?
So it's not like, oh man, This

453
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,800
is, you know, it wasn't there.
So, there's some celebrities

454
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,700
that I thought was, oh my god
there, I think there was a

455
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,800
celebrity that kind of backed
Watchdog.

456
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:38,000
Yes, I'm sure that there was
because he was all about, like,

457
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:41,800
providing transparency and
allowing the American people to

458
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,600
make good to make an informed
decision about, who were

459
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,500
electing into office.
So he actually he's Captain

460
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,300
America.
Oh, shoot.

461
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,700
Chris Evans.
Yes, I think I think that I feel

462
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,200
I'm you guys can tell me if I'm
wrong.

463
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,400
Yes.
I feel like he was somehow

464
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,800
involved in that.
Oh my God, that'd be amazing.

465
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,300
Chris Evans.
Yeah, plus he's hot.

466
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,100
Oh my God.
Yes, you can.

467
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:17,200
You can talk to us all day long
about Watchdog dotnet.

468
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,700
Well, take it.
Okay, so he actually wrote the

469
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:27,800
gorilla.
The Open Access Manifesto which

470
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,100
he actually he said, quote the
world's the world's entire

471
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:37,100
scientific Heritage is
increasingly being digitalized

472
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:40,600
and locked up by a handful of
private corporations.

473
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,100
The Open Access movement.
It has fought to valiantly

474
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,200
ensure that scientists do not
sign their copyrights away.

475
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200
But instead ensure that their
work is published on the

476
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,300
internet under terms that allow
anyone to access it.

477
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:59,000
Mmm, which as you can see like
the dude, really believes that

478
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,400
books and scholarly journals and
other sources of information

479
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,700
should be readily available to
anyone, who wants to learn.

480
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,500
It doesn't matter who you are
whether or not you can afford

481
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:10,000
it.
Like anyone should be able to

482
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,600
seek out this knowledge, we're
in a place you know with our our

483
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,000
culture in general where we can
seek out knowledge.

484
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:25,800
Very Star Trek very optimistic,
I dig it but But he thinks that

485
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,700
like, people should be able to
learn without a pay wall

486
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:31,700
involved, right?
So, have you ever heard of like

487
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,500
Pacer the?
It's an actual.

488
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,700
It's a database.
No, master database.

489
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,000
No, I uh, so actually stands for
the public access to court.

490
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,300
Electronic records.
Oh, ultimately it stores federal

491
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,100
court records.
That are handled by the the

492
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,800
United States Administration
office.

493
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,400
And in 2008, Aaron sees that the
public records are behind a pay

494
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,100
wall.
So, All of these acts, like

495
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,800
these public records, that
should be public available to

496
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,800
all people are behind a pay wall
and, and he's not a fan of it.

497
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,100
And so he downloads 2.7 million
documents and publishes these

498
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:14,400
documents on wonder how he got
it for free.

499
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,600
If it's ba if it's behind some
sort of lock thing, I when I

500
00:28:18,608 --> 00:28:21,000
wonder how he got it, what?
Cause he's fucking smart.

501
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,100
He's intelligent and has had to
do it and he knows how to kind

502
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:25,600
of like fuck with us.
Seems like so, huh.

503
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,700
So he's like this shit needs to
be.

504
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,300
It needs to be public and the
world taxpayers already paying

505
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:31,900
for it.
Yeah, right.

506
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,500
Like we as taxpayers.
This is open.

507
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:38,700
This is information.
We should have but the

508
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:40,600
government is charging for
because how much of the charging

509
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,400
for it For our page.
How much does the government

510
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,500
charging for it?
Is it supposed to be free

511
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:46,900
though?
Right?

512
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:48,900
It should be from like
information assets.

513
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:50,500
Read it should be.
Oh my God, what are they

514
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,200
charging eight cents a page, a
page?

515
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,800
And these are federal like, like
court documents that we should

516
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,500
have a sender's.
Yes.

517
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,400
Binders and binders, binders.
And binders of women have

518
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
binders of court documents.
Yes.

519
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,800
So it's eight cents a page.
He released about 1.7 million

520
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,900
dollars.
Holy worth a pages.

521
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,500
Shysters.
Yeah, I was supposed to be free.

522
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:20,000
Especially, I mean, technically,
yes, it should be free under

523
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,100
that.
Hope public under the whole,

524
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,700
what is that in public
information?

525
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,200
Freedom of Information Act or
whatever the yes is?

526
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,200
Yes.
Yeah, it should be free.

527
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:36,100
It was not and so he stupid
government.

528
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,000
I know, so he was like, fuck
this.

529
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:44,100
Fuck the government, which I'm
so down, I'm like, I I love an

530
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,600
ant.
Well no, I do love an anarchist.

531
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,700
I love like punk, rock, all that
kind of stuff.

532
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:51,900
I love that because there's a
lot of passion and optimism, so

533
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:53,900
yeah, there's optimism behind
that.

534
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Yeah.
Like, you know, we as people

535
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,900
are, we don't mean harm, we
really want to do good.

536
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,300
And that's what Aaron believed
in.

537
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,500
So he released one point seven
million dollars worth of pages,

538
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,200
it caught the attention, of
course of government officials

539
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,000
and you would think they would
have had an issue with it,

540
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,200
right?
Well, yeah, because they were a

541
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,600
no one paid eight cents a page,
right?

542
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,100
We're losing money.
Losing money.

543
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:23,800
Yes.
Also let someone like Aaron's,

544
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,000
like, hey motherfuckers like
yeah, I'm getting on myself, I

545
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,100
spit.
Yeah, I'm getting on my soapbox

546
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,500
to say, look, this is for this
should be free.

547
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,900
The government shouldn't be
making money off of US service.

548
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:37,500
That taxpayers are essentially
paying for its public at ought

549
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:42,400
to be public knowledge.
So actually a started grilling

550
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,000
gaining nor Aya T so people are
like oh he's like stealing all

551
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,100
this, all these, you know,
government documents, making

552
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:52,800
them public him.
Public.

553
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,900
So there was like a Grassroots
Castlevania.

554
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,900
Do I care?
This is like I should care about

555
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,400
this or was it like hey, this is
stuff that they've kind of been

556
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,500
hiding.
So like we need to figure out

557
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:08,300
what it is or I think that it's
more like, this is stuff that

558
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,800
should be available to the
American public.

559
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,200
It is clearly behind a pay wall.
There's no reason.

560
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,400
It should be like we are paying
taxes for it, so what the fuck

561
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,600
like like you.
Let's make this available for

562
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,700
the The Common People, okay?
So other people start saying

563
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:27,300
yeah, Aaron's fucking right,
he's right.

564
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:30,700
And he downloads would points
like like so many millions of

565
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:34,900
pages like dot 1.7 million
dollars worth, right of these

566
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:36,400
Pages.
Yes, it's published.

567
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800
People are people like, oh my
God, he's like creating this.

568
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,000
It's like his Grassroots
campaign where other people are

569
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,700
like, lip latching on the
saying, yeah.

570
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:43,800
He's right.
We should.

571
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,700
We should have all this
information public.

572
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,000
So, because I still part of
Reddit, at this time, Well, he

573
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,700
still co-founder he still looked
over the co-founder ready.

574
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,100
Okay.
So and people know about him

575
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,500
because like I said, he's a tech
genius, but he's also very

576
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,200
principled guy.
So he's very outspoken about the

577
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,700
things that he believes in.
This is one of them.

578
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,600
So other people are, they're
saying, hey, look, go create a

579
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
free account because you can do
that for a week and you can

580
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,000
like, download free account,
we're on the Pacer website.

581
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:18,900
So on this Pacer, hmm, L, which
is where he got it.

582
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,300
So he got it on ya, Pacers led
the database to get it from

583
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:23,700
Pacer.
Yes.

584
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,500
But he didn't pay, the a sense.
Know, how did he get around

585
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,100
that?
Well, we'll get into it on the

586
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,200
phone.
The bigger one.

587
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,100
I'll talk to you a little bit
more about like the how exactly

588
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:35,900
he did it.
Okay.

589
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Okay, but yeah he did some
people go the website.

590
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Yeah people like hey they're
like hey download create a free

591
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,300
account for a week.
You have a free account download

592
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,900
as many articles as you can,
okay, send them to us.

593
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,400
Okay, so we're going to create
this like online database,

594
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,300
that's actually free stuff,
right?

595
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:56,000
Which is what people should have
already, right?

596
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,200
You know, because we're already
taxpayers, we're already paying

597
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,100
for all this, right?
The government just making extra

598
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,800
money, so fuck that.
Got it right.

599
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,200
So they incur, he actually
encourage people to go to a

600
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,200
public library creating count
with Pacer and then give them

601
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
free access to the docks for a
trial period and send the

602
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,500
documents to a free open source
site.

603
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:16,900
So you know that open-source.
Sure people did it and the FBI

604
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:18,900
looked into it and actually
close the inquiry.

605
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Curry against Aaron because
there was a because there was

606
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,000
nothing illegal about it right?
Nothing illegal.

607
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,400
Right after two months.
They're like yeah actually he he

608
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600
didn't break any rules played by
the by the same rules as

609
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,700
everyone else.
He just did it.

610
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:38,000
Very cleverly is so he actually
used code and a public library

611
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,300
in Sacramento, their access
information.

612
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,500
So he had act the access
information for the Sacramento

613
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:48,900
Public Library and he downloaded
all those documents quickly.

614
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:53,100
Some, it's essentially really
not against the law.

615
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,100
He, he actually starts to be
seeing at this point as a public

616
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,700
hacktivist icon.
Have you had a devastating?

617
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:04,700
No.
But that's a great word.

618
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Yeah.
So it's like it's a hat.

619
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,900
It's hackers who use they're all
essentially use their powers for

620
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,199
good.
So hacktivist entities evil.

621
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,300
Yes.
Yeah.

622
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,500
So he actually helped to
co-found multiple activism

623
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,000
organizations the Search, the
progress Progressive change,

624
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,100
Campaign, Committee, and demand
progress.

625
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,100
You've heard of we've heard of
these things.

626
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:28,199
These are things that come up
all the time.

627
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:32,800
He was he was cofounders of both
of all these things or co-found

628
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,500
these activism organization.
So the aim was really to utilize

629
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:42,699
these hacker gifts that he that
people have to hacktivism and

630
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,900
you can kind of force the hand
of companies or organizations

631
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,900
for good and and and for the
good of the people.

632
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,600
Like none of this stuff should
be behind a pay wall.

633
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,800
Like, you know, these these
documents by the government

634
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000
should be released because we're
already paying for them.

635
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,500
So he actually even stopped a
bill from becoming law, which

636
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:04,500
was the sopa act.
And he really, he really created

637
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,200
a name for himself because he
was, Grassroots, campaigning

638
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,600
talking.
He was on CNN, he was on

639
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,000
everything saying, look, sopa
would really fuck everything up.

640
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:19,100
And and so he's on CNN and these
shows because of this Old

641
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,400
downloading telling the come.
He's like to download all these

642
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
things that this is becoming
aware.

643
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:31,600
He's becoming a I would say he's
more so of of an expert as far

644
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:38,300
as like internet accessibility
and and trying to police the

645
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:41,600
internet's like don't police the
internet don't police you know

646
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,700
people from using it.
It's it is the wild west it was

647
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:49,100
the Wild West still say what
kind of is similarly the wild

648
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,100
west where government cannot go
faster.

649
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:56,900
Yes no censorship essentially
yeah so but with great power

650
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,300
comes great responsibility.
Ability.

651
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:02,000
Right?
He's becoming this this icon of

652
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,700
like a hacktivist like he's
trying to work for the for the

653
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:09,700
people.
He actually has a new database

654
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,500
in his sights and he he decides
I'm going to go after jstor.

655
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,400
Have you heard of jstor Kev
jstor?

656
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:26,800
How is it spelled jstor?
I don't think I have jstor.

657
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,600
So this is a database.
The database, It's actually an

658
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,200
academic database.
Gosh, I don't think I have.

659
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,100
They have like, it's like
millions of scientific papers

660
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,700
academic journals.
It's really like, you know,

661
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,200
these papers that are created by
the scholarly minds of the

662
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,300
world, really.
Okay.

663
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,300
And so this is where they
publish their papers for

664
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:50,700
whatever it is bass.
Yeah.

665
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,300
That's really essentially a
database that has a pay wall,

666
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,200
okay?
Of course, of course.

667
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Yeah, so it has a paywall, but
it's if you've taken a

668
00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:04,500
scientific class in in college
recently, you'll know what jstor

669
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:05,900
is.
That's where you have to, like,

670
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:09,700
pull like research papers or
academic journals, but then you

671
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:11,600
gotta pay for that shit.
You have to pay for it.

672
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,400
Yeah, I have a login for it.
Yeah.

673
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,100
Okay.
Yes, mmm, guess how much each

674
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:19,300
article costs?
$12?

675
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,700
60 to 70 dollars each?
Yeah.

676
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:26,600
The scientists who create these
documents actually making any

677
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,800
money should be.
They shouldn't be, they should

678
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,400
be, but they're not.
Who's, who's making the money,

679
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,300
who owns a jstor?
Yeah, their Creed.

680
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,200
So initially, it's like, okay, I
would be like, if a scientist

681
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,300
I'd be like, why the fuck am I
putting my hard fucking work on

682
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:43,500
this site?
Yes.

683
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:46,500
Yeah, because I'm not seeing
well, if you're a scientist and

684
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,500
you believe in Sharing knowledge
or knowledge, it's not about the

685
00:37:50,508 --> 00:37:53,200
money, it's not about the money,
it's about the research and the

686
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,300
data.
'He and like, like trying to

687
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:59,500
progress fucking people?
I know so jstor initially, it

688
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,500
was like this database, but in
order to create a database, it

689
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:05,300
takes a lot of work.
It takes a lot of like, you

690
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,300
know, coding and stuff.
And there are great costs

691
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,700
essentially like to create it.
But at what point do you say,

692
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,200
okay, we're going to turn off
the costs and make this free to

693
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,000
people because this is this is
all information that folks

694
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,300
should have.
It's it's Cutting Edge.

695
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,500
Well, it's, you know, it's so
then to play Devil's Advocate,

696
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:29,200
you sure a I mean there is cost
someone has to pay for that.

697
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:34,500
So I mean I guess there is a
keep that whole I get that but

698
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,000
yeah.
For how long don't be 60 to 70

699
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,300
dollars for every individual
article?

700
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,100
Yeah.
Like or publication?

701
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,200
That's a shitload of money.
The scientists are not getting

702
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,000
in that.
That's, that's the shitty part.

703
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Yeah, that's it's a huge
problem.

704
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,700
It's not like they're like oh
we're funding like more projects

705
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,100
and stuff.
No, that's not how it works,

706
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,600
right?
So ultimately, if you're someone

707
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,100
who had to do a research paper,
even wanted to research specific

708
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,500
information.
Oh shit.

709
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:03,800
You know what?
I think we need to jstor

710
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,900
account.
Do we, I feel like I'm writing

711
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:12,400
research papers.
They're like anytime I do.

712
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,800
See something juicy.
I feel like any time we are

713
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,900
doing a podcast, like, the
amount of research you, and I

714
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,700
both have to do, we could find
it in there.

715
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Let's add into the store.
Got, we're going to get a jstor

716
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,900
account, will add it to the list
of Wands, okay?

717
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,100
Versus needs, you know, those
are two totally different

718
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,100
things, I'm sure it'll cost
like, thousands of dollars every

719
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,700
single Fucking mirror, but it
will just will file it back.

720
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,500
Okay.
Anyway, okay, so let's Flash

721
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:47,500
Forward to MIT.
So Aaron has the ability and

722
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:54,100
access to MIT computer network.
Just FYI, September 25th 2010.

723
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,400
He has the credentials through
the open network that MIT and

724
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,500
Harvard research felt.
He's also a Harvard research

725
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,900
fellow.
So, like between the two, am I

726
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,200
to really believes in kind of
breaking?

727
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,600
Rules in order to progress
technology or science or

728
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,300
whatever.
It's like, sometimes you kind of

729
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:13,500
have to break the rules, right?
So, that's a mighty thought

730
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,900
process.
So they have open network, which

731
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,500
Aaron took advantage of.
He's also a Harvard research

732
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:26,100
fellow and he starts actually,
downloading hundreds of of

733
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:31,600
Articles through jstor.
And that pings the IP address at

734
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,100
MIT jstor actually has an
employee that like, contacts

735
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:41,200
them saying, hey, look, there's
a large amount of downloads of

736
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,200
articles for, for the J, like,
scholarly journals and stuff

737
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,300
like that.
That are being done through this

738
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,400
IP address, it kind of like
triggers.

739
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,000
It's like, this is like too
much.

740
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,100
So he writes code like aren't
they pay the like this account

741
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:58,100
is paying their fee ugly
technically yes they were.

742
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Yes there are Fluffy Fu.
So he's downloading a mass

743
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,500
amount onto a laptop and they're
like, apple is this right?

744
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,100
He's doing it legally is he?
Is he doing it.

745
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:15,200
But know you're getting too much
data, too much information.

746
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,300
That you're downloading workers.
Yeah, yeah, they're downloading

747
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:19,600
too much.
He's telling too much

748
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,900
information.
So it triggers the system, it

749
00:41:21,908 --> 00:41:25,100
kind of does like, a kind of
like a trip wire and it shuts

750
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,700
down any downloads from that IP
address.

751
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,300
So then what does Erin do
errands?

752
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:32,000
Fuckin smart.
He downloads.

753
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:36,000
He uses a new IP address and
continues to download in the

754
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,200
fat.
Like he's doing things in a very

755
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,900
simple but like, transparent way
where he's downloading a lot.

756
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:45,800
It's all free everything he's
doing.

757
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Yeah, it's not being a legal
creep.

758
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,500
No, no, using open network.
He also has like credentials

759
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:55,000
himself in or like jstor like
credentials.

760
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,700
His aim is to allow these
Documents to be free for the

761
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:03,400
American for anyone for
worldwide, like, allow used to

762
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,300
be an open source documents
where anyone can pull from them.

763
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:11,000
If they are trying to seek out
knowledge and for my perspective

764
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
like fuck yeah, fuck the man.
Like yeah, of course, you want

765
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,700
to do that like why is there a
pay wall?

766
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,200
I don't use their phiphi for
being knowledgeable.

767
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:20,300
Yes, exactly.
There shouldn't be, we shouldn't

768
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,800
we should not create borders or
boundaries for people who are

769
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,500
trying to seek out knowledge and
are doing so in a way that's not

770
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:28,600
hurting anyone.
Right.

771
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,600
Right.
Just you're just trying to move

772
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,300
forward.
And also, of course, then I

773
00:42:32,308 --> 00:42:34,700
think that argument is well, the
person that created the

774
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,100
knowledge should be compensated,
which they apparently weren't

775
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,800
doing anyway.
Anyway.

776
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Yeah, they weren't, they were
not being paid.

777
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,100
None of the scientists, and
stuffs all this.

778
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,400
Yeah.
No, it's bullshit.

779
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:54,400
So, ultimately he is downloading
hundreds, it's one, IP address

780
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,900
gets pinged, they shut that
down.

781
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,100
A mighty knows that there's
somebody who's doing this.

782
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,500
So who the fuck is it?
We don't know who it is.

783
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,900
How does Erin do it?
Aaron actually has a laptop in

784
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:11,500
one of the closets that's
connected to a networking

785
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:15,000
switch.
So in a controlled access wiring

786
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:21,900
closet at MIT so he has he puts
up laptop in there MIT and jstor

787
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,800
put a camera in that closet To
see who the fuck is downloading

788
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,400
this?
Instead of saying like, hey,

789
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,800
stop doing that.
They say, we're going to catch

790
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,000
this person right in the ACT.
Oh my God.

791
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,200
So it's kind of like a sting
operation that they're doing for

792
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,700
Aaron and Aaron just like this.
Dude's who's just like I'm

793
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:43,600
fucking I just want like, you
know, open source stuff right?

794
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Like so the door was on was
unlocked from the beginning.

795
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,100
It's not like he like grabbed a
key and had like like the door

796
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:53,000
was always unlocked.
It's not like he was trying to

797
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,100
steal anything he walked into
That was already unlocked.

798
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,500
He did things like in a way that
was just convenient.

799
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,100
Yeah.
And people were just a little

800
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,800
stupid for, for handling it.
The way that they did, but he

801
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,300
puts his laptop in camera
catches him, the ID that Aaron's

802
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:10,600
the person who's downloading all
these documents.

803
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:15,800
Wow, so J, star actually settled
privately with Aaron and June,

804
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,800
2007, or excuse me. 2011, and he
gave all the articles that he

805
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,700
had downloaded back to jstor.
So he's like, okay, fine, here

806
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:27,100
you go, like you do, You're
going to try to like sue me here

807
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,300
all the Articles back like you
can have them.

808
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,900
Do you think that Aaron dodged,
the man Jstor is the database

809
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,500
there like we're cool.
We wouldn't be talking about

810
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,400
Aaron and know that were the
case precisely.

811
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:49,100
So, in January 6, 2011, he was
arrested by MIT police and a

812
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:54,200
secret service agent at Harvard.
He's a research fellow at

813
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,100
Harvard, right?
He never graduated college, he

814
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,100
dropped out, he becomes a
research fellow.

815
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,200
And they kind of give him like
honorary like access to Harvard

816
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,300
shit like because like a
homeless guy who's like a

817
00:45:05,308 --> 00:45:07,500
fucking genius is like, you
know, part of us.

818
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:13,000
So He's at Harvard, he's chased.
He's on his bike.

819
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,500
This dude doesn't drive, right.
He's on his bike.

820
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:19,000
He's being chased by a police
officer and a nut like a

821
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,400
Sheldon.
Doesn't drive either?

822
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,500
Yes, yes, not too far off.
Right?

823
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:26,600
So, he's a genius.
I'm like, like, he's like, what

824
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,000
the fuck are people chasing
after me?

825
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,800
He doesn't know that that he has
anyone.

826
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,100
Who's he thought the jstor stuff
was behind him and he's on his

827
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:35,300
bike.
People are chasing after him,

828
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:37,400
like what the fuck is?
So, he starts to like, chasing,

829
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,000
like running away from him.
From these folks and I'll help

830
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,400
ultimately Breaks Loose.
Secret Service.

831
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,500
They indict him with multiple
counts of issues.

832
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:51,100
So he's charged multiple times
by many courts who really State

833
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,400
the charges of breaking entering
with the intent of committing a

834
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,500
felony.
Okay, who wait?

835
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:00,300
Who's like literally after him,
that's a great question.

836
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,000
That's something we're going to
kind of go over.

837
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,100
Okay?
Yeah, okay, so so because he

838
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:07,100
thought, hey, everything's cool
with me and jstor like we the

839
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,800
database that I downloaded all
this.

840
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:12,200
It's I give him out back,
there's no problem sorted,

841
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,900
everything sorted.
It's not all sorts are really

842
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,300
not.
Yeah clearly not.

843
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:21,500
So he's charged with breaking
and entering and to you know

844
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:25,600
with the intent to commit a
felony charges of wire fraud

845
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,300
Computer Fraud.
Unlawfully obtaining information

846
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:31,600
from a protected computer and
recklessly damaging a protected

847
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,800
computer.
He was also indicted with sea

848
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:41,600
State charges of breaking and
entering entering with intent

849
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,500
grand larceny and unauthorized
access to a computer.

850
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Pewter Network on December 16.
2011 State prosecutors filed.

851
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,000
A notice that they were dropping
to original charges and then the

852
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,700
charges listed in November 17th
of 2011, the indictment were

853
00:46:55,700 --> 00:47:00,300
dropped on ultimately he is
being charged by like with a

854
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,500
shitload felonies and things
like that.

855
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:06,700
For this jstor, download these
ultimate download after he had

856
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:11,100
already a supposedly.
Sell it out store?

857
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:12,900
Yes, which I store?
Yeah.

858
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:18,100
Wow.
So, September 12, 2012 Federal

859
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:22,800
prosecutors actually filed an
indictment, adding nine more,

860
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,500
felt nine, more felony and
counts, increasing his maximum

861
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,600
criminal exposure.
To 50 years of imprisonment, 50

862
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,200
years of imprisonment
imprisonment, including a

863
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,000
million dollars in fines and
during plea.

864
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,100
Negotiations with the attorneys,
the prosecutors actually offered

865
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,700
to recommend a sentence of six
months and low-security prison.

866
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,300
If he plead guilty for 30, 2013
federal crimes, his lead

867
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,200
attorneys.
Like dude, we didn't fucking do

868
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,500
anything bad.
Like, we're cool with jstor.

869
00:47:56,100 --> 00:48:03,300
So ultimately they continue to
pursue him now, when when Aaron

870
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,400
was captured by the Secret
Service agents and stuff, they

871
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,800
put him into a chute solitary
confinement.

872
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:22,100
For an extended period of time.
So he was in solitary

873
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:23,900
confinement.
He didn't really even know what

874
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:27,400
why they were, you know, chasing
after him.

875
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,800
He thought everything was fine
with jstor.

876
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,100
So he, this is before all of the
indictments in the felony

877
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:36,400
charges and stuff, they chase
after him while he's at Harvard

878
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,500
and up.
Capturing him, he ends up going

879
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:43,900
into and this is like a dude
who's super, you know, he's not,

880
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,100
he's in this is not a career
Criminal Who was like, Used to

881
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:49,000
being in solitary confinement,
Lee and he's in solitary

882
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,700
confinement for an excuse, not
like, he's think he's doing

883
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:53,600
anything as I know.
I listen to it.

884
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,500
No, he has no idea and he's in
solitary confinement.

885
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:59,100
He's incredibly like, what the
fuck is going on?

886
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,000
Like I have attorneys who are
supposed to be taking care of

887
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,900
this.
They took care of it.

888
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:06,900
They still didn't release Aaron
for like, five hours after like

889
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,400
his attorneys were like, you
have no grounds for keeping him.

890
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:16,300
So like, things were being done
shoddily and truly the In is was

891
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:24,600
he being made?
Made an example of right by the

892
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,400
government.
Yeah.

893
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,900
Yeah.
He will not take our shit.

894
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:32,900
You're trying to take because
ultimately, who's who is

895
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:34,900
searching for this jstor is
done.

896
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,300
Well, that's just it.
Yeah, that's he's like, okay,

897
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:41,000
we're done because they're like,
well, we figured it out.

898
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:44,900
We've talked about it.
So, who's left a mighty?

899
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:48,900
A mighty would be the ones who
are working with the government

900
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:54,700
potentially to indict Aaron,
because there's no one else.

901
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:01,400
That could be an MIT is a mighty
is all about like scientific

902
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,900
Minds.
We want them, we want to.

903
00:50:02,908 --> 00:50:04,200
Yeah.
Computer.

904
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,200
Like idea says and stuff, but
you are.

905
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,800
They working with the
government?

906
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,400
That's a huge question.
That's a huge, huge question,

907
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,900
because there would be no reason
jstor jstor publicly said, We

908
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,000
were not pursuing anything with
Aaron.

909
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,800
We are fine.
We already came to a conclusion.

910
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,600
It's okay.
We are not seeking anything

911
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,400
legally against Aaron.
Aaron like gangster people, you

912
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,000
would think not working with the
government.

913
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:37,900
Would be a mighty right, right?
That's EFT.

914
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:42,000
Who set up the camera?
Was it jstor?

915
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,500
Jstor hasn't been working with
MIT in order to have it happen.

916
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,800
Why was there a secret service
fucking member who like goes and

917
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,400
runs this dude down while he's
on a bike at Harvard.

918
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,000
Like why is the Secret Service
involved?

919
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,400
Yeah, there's too many questions
and it seems like, I don't know,

920
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,000
I'm not skeptical in this.
I honestly believe that he was

921
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,200
trying to be made an example of
because he was so public and so

922
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,200
princess, it's like like, hey,
yeah.

923
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Hey, hey Smarties, yeah, don't
guess what you think?

924
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,200
You're a hacktivist.
Fuck you.

925
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,800
And your hacktivism.
Yeah.

926
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,100
And and what do they do?
They're going to try to make him

927
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:26,900
an exam because he's very he's a
very public.

928
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,000
Profile.
He's a very nice feeling is in

929
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,500
Mighty like helping.
I think I mean I think that's a

930
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:36,400
great question.
I mean, doesn't that seem like

931
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,700
they are?
It seems to me because if J star

932
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,200
is publicly saying we already
settled were okay?

933
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:46,900
We are not pursuing anything
against Aaron, you know, he gave

934
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:52,000
all the Articles back were cool.
If jstor's, cool with it, who's

935
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,800
pursuing charges.
Hmm, who else has the right to

936
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,200
pursue charges?
It feels like you would need the

937
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,700
cooperation of MIT at this point
for the the some of those

938
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:05,600
things.
Because, because he was

939
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,400
downloading directly from there,
like, you know, that closet that

940
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,700
had all of the, I don't know
bullshit.

941
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,300
Right.
Whatever that is.

942
00:52:13,308 --> 00:52:16,200
But, yeah, I would say, Sir
pointing it's super

943
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,000
disappointing.
Yeah, it's super disappointing.

944
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,600
So, you know, the thing about it
is like, as Aaron's, going

945
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,600
through all of these things.
Like it's very, very expensive.

946
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,000
It's expensive.
To to fight the federal

947
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,800
government has hell.
Yeah.

948
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,000
And where did he get his money?
His family didn't come from

949
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,800
money, right?
Which is why he was so

950
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,300
principled.
Like, he didn't come from like a

951
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,200
substantive.
They're not like Elon Musk who

952
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,700
had like, you know, billions of
dollars as a child or add-on,

953
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:48,700
you know, Donald Trump like, you
know, yeah.

954
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:53,200
They're not, you know, born into
riches, he created his own

955
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,100
riches.
And so, the money that he had

956
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:59,500
was because of Acquisitions of
companies that You were

957
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:01,800
cofounders of like Reddit and
stuff like that.

958
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,900
His money is driving drying up
because he's fighting all of

959
00:53:04,908 --> 00:53:08,200
these federal charges and he's
really incredibly principled,

960
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,400
you know, he they talked to his
girlfriend and she was like, you

961
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,900
know, Aaron really wanted to
become part of the government,

962
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:19,700
like he wanted to work at the
White House and you know, one of

963
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:23,700
the conversations they had, they
were walking in Washington DC

964
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,400
during all this time, where
while he's being like charged

965
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,100
and going through all this like,
Court bullshit.

966
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:33,300
He said, yeah, you know what?
Can't have a felon working in

967
00:53:33,308 --> 00:53:36,600
the White House.
They have a what a felon working

968
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,600
in the white house.
So he's like, fuck, that's like

969
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:42,700
he's so principal to really
want, that's what he wants.

970
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:45,900
He wants to be able to create
real change in the United States

971
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,400
around open source and allowing
like own information to be had

972
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,500
by all the people.
So, you know, it's a he that's a

973
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:58,000
huge problem for him and he's
facing all of these like these

974
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,100
charges I mean, we're talking
like, you know, 10 plus fucking

975
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:05,900
phony, traitorous after his
fucking ass there, after his

976
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:07,800
ass, for sure, they're after
him.

977
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,100
Yeah, they were after him and
he, you know, when you're up

978
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,300
against, it's like David and
Goliath, right?

979
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:15,900
Like he's David, he's fighting
against this.

980
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:19,100
Like, you know, this huge
monster who has all of this

981
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:22,700
power, all of this money, he
doesn't necessarily have the

982
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:27,400
ability to protect himself and,
you know, he they're adding nine

983
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,900
more cap felony.
Counts in 2012, September 12

984
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:37,800
2012, and then the maximum
criminal exposure, to 50 years

985
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,200
imprisonment, and then a million
dollars in flat finds.

986
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:44,500
So, by the way, there are
murderers that get off for less

987
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:45,700
than that.
Uh-huh.

988
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,900
Uh-huh, exactly.
Exactly.

989
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,900
And then you have this guy who's
like, is it really that big of a

990
00:54:50,908 --> 00:54:55,000
deal we're at right?
That's that's, that's a huge

991
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,200
problem.
So like during plea negotiations

992
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:01,100
with the attorneys of Sports
like they the prosecutors

993
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,600
actually offered to recommend a
sentence of six months in a

994
00:55:03,608 --> 00:55:09,100
low-security prison if he pled
guilty to 13 federal crimes

995
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,200
Jesus.
So it's like he was up against

996
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,700
the wall there him and has the
attorney rejected, the deal.

997
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:20,600
And, you know, once again, like
once they reject the deal, then

998
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,100
he had they then the prosecutors
are like up against him.

999
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:32,500
So ultimately, You know, he ends
up not seeing a way out and he

1000
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:37,000
dies by dies by suicide on
January 11, 2013.

1001
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,900
Oh my god.
Of course, after his death, the

1002
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:43,300
the prosecutors dropped.
The charges?

1003
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:51,400
And, and rot, why wait, wait,
yeah, a minute.

1004
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:55,300
If they were that convinced that
he did it, why would they drop

1005
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,100
the charges after He killed
himself.

1006
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Yeah.
Why would you not try to say

1007
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,700
like why wouldn't you just say,
yeah why.

1008
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,500
I mean what's the point of that?
Really?

1009
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:07,700
Even like showing like he was
clearly guilty like here all the

1010
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:10,800
the reasons why I like we
didn't.

1011
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:18,300
I think that they knew that they
were making Aaron a skate go.

1012
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,800
There are make an example of him
that is awful.

1013
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:26,700
So there's a huge, huge movement
of hacktivism and And open

1014
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:30,900
source like sharing where where
people can seek out knowledge

1015
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,700
and and find things like whether
it's whatever it is that you're

1016
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:36,800
passionate about.
Like if you want to figure those

1017
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,800
things out or like have like
scholarly journals, like these

1018
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,200
things should be free to you and
you know, I get the whole

1019
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,900
copyright like I wrote like I
write a program like I read a

1020
00:56:46,908 --> 00:56:54,100
thing that's my proprietary
source code and but that is very

1021
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:59,300
different than When creating
something that you want to share

1022
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:00,500
to the world.
Yeah.

1023
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,700
Yep.
Agreed it's God.

1024
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:11,500
That's why he was like bullied
into submission, so ultimate

1025
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,800
submission and he end up ends up
killing himself.

1026
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,400
And it's like this guy who is
like incredibly principled like,

1027
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,400
you know, ends up feeling like
he's not, you know, what can,

1028
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,600
what can you do against the
fucking United States

1029
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,300
government?
Can't be like, it doesn't matter

1030
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:27,800
how intelligent you are your,
your aft, when they decide that

1031
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,500
they're going to them and EM
fucking MIT MIT.

1032
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:32,900
Well, that's the other thing
too.

1033
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:37,300
When I kept saying like are like
if they're involved and like and

1034
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:42,300
you said, if you got a mighty
and the government Together

1035
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:45,500
against you, you are F, you're
fucked.

1036
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:49,500
You're totally fucked and and
and we know that the

1037
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,400
organization that he was
stealing all the Articles or not

1038
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,700
stealing, but really just
cleverly taking from from the

1039
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,900
database jstor was not pursuing
any charges, you know, I'm to

1040
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:07,700
play Devil's Advocate.
I just and I don't want to If he

1041
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:12,300
was downloading something that
is so, so kind of the same thing

1042
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:15,000
as and I want to derail here but
if you were downloading music

1043
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,500
and sharing it or downloading
that's not legal, right?

1044
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:26,200
So I don't want to give him
kudos for doing something

1045
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:32,000
illegal, but if he was sharing
things that they are creators in

1046
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,100
The Originators said, I want,
you know, I'm trying to help the

1047
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:39,100
world or I'm trying.
To better the world or you know

1048
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,800
do think that's that's very
different.

1049
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:45,900
And unfortunately when you go
through those that place that.

1050
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:49,600
What's the jstor jstor?
Hmm, it's charging you for

1051
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:54,000
everything.
You're kind of like in a your

1052
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,100
kind of fox.
Yeah, yeah.

1053
00:58:56,500 --> 00:59:00,000
I mean.
I guess from my, from my

1054
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,200
perspective.
I do think that like knowledge

1055
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,200
and the pursuit of, you know,
knowledge should be free.

1056
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,500
So as punk rock is that kind of
sinful, that's not fucking punk

1057
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:13,100
rock.
I would say that's just human.

1058
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,300
Yeah.
But if you created some playing

1059
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:24,900
in play Devil's Advocate, if you
have created something, You that

1060
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:27,300
is your thing that you've
created out of nothing.

1061
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:29,600
Yes.
And if your intent fight, if

1062
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:34,500
your intent was to stop world
hunger, that's one thing.

1063
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:44,800
But having a third party, now
sell your thing.

1064
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:49,400
And say the now it is illegal.
If you share that with the

1065
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,500
world, that is something very
different.

1066
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,800
So as I guess it's finding
intent at, that's like, think

1067
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,900
that's where it gets all blurry.
I think you're right.

1068
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:04,200
I mean, bottom line here, I
think we can say in Aaron's

1069
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,100
situation as he and jstor
reached an agreement, right?

1070
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:12,200
So J-Stars like fine, that was
Don cool.

1071
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:16,400
Yeah, that's the thing that the
u.s. government has done.

1072
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,900
Yeah.
What does the US government?

1073
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:21,800
And I see with anything at this
point and am I in my tea?

1074
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,100
Hmm.
I mean, I think and like, I'll

1075
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,400
quote, like his parents.
So, his parents said, he did

1076
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:34,600
kill himself right while Robert
Schwartz, which is his father

1077
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,400
said, Aaron was killed by the
government and MIT betrayed all

1078
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,700
of its basic principles.
I don't think that's too far

1079
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:44,700
off, right?
Actually of what, what happened

1080
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:48,600
is gonna sound like it?
That being said, you know, fuck

1081
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,800
one.
Fuck I mighty Like that's just

1082
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,600
a, yeah, if things are as, as we
in interpret them to be, that's

1083
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,400
just very, very disappointing as
the wrong word, but that's

1084
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,700
disappointing, it's incredibly
disappointing.

1085
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,700
And like, you know, you can
watch there's a documentary

1086
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:10,000
really good documentary called
The Internet's Own Boy, the

1087
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,200
story of Aaron Swartz, and I
would say, you know, please, you

1088
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,400
know, check it out, watch it.
Learn a little bit more about

1089
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:25,100
Aaron, and they still have like,
Hackathons in Aaron's name, in

1090
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,900
November so mid November every
year.

1091
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:32,900
They have multiple day
hackathons that you can be a

1092
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:37,400
part of, you know, he, there are
still quite a few things that we

1093
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:43,100
use every day that Aaron had a
huge part in like RSS, you know?

1094
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:48,700
Feeds, yes, that Aaron had a
huge hand in, you know, and it I

1095
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:51,900
hate talking about sad things,
but I do think.

1096
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:55,800
I think that the story of Aaron
Swartz is one that all of us,

1097
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:01,500
could it's really modern day,
David and Goliath where we have

1098
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:06,600
David Aaron, who's really trying
to, to move forward humanity,

1099
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,200
and to allow knowledge to maybe
are you breaking a couple of

1100
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,500
rules like maybe, but maybe we
kind of need to like break a

1101
01:02:13,508 --> 01:02:15,800
couple rules in order to get
better.

1102
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,500
And at least from my
perspective, I don't think he

1103
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:23,000
did anything with Matt.
With Mal intent.

1104
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,200
Yeah.
What are your thoughts?

1105
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,300
I agree.
And, you know, I'm such a god

1106
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:37,000
it's hard because mmm, Yeah,
it's difficult.

1107
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:42,500
I I'm at a, I'm a type of person
where the rules are rules,

1108
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,700
right?
We all know the rules.

1109
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:47,000
We need to follow the rules.
We all agreed to the rules.

1110
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,400
You do you think that you need
to follow the rules?

1111
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,000
Well, but that's just that's
where I get to the Gray Line

1112
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,400
because sometimes the rules are
stressed nonsensical.

1113
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,100
I went for the betterment of
whatever, huh.

1114
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:06,200
You need to break the rule.
You have to break the rules.

1115
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:10,100
Yeah, but then someone else
breaks the rule and they say,

1116
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:11,900
well, I'm breaking the rule
because of blind.

1117
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:14,900
Your, like, you are an idiot.
Why did you break that rule?

1118
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:17,400
Yeah, they're being assholes.
Do not even have everything to

1119
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,000
do with intent.
Like, we've talked about it

1120
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,400
before.
Like, for me, personally, I am

1121
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,900
all for breaking rules.
If if the intent is pure and if

1122
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:32,700
it's it's without malice, I
think I am the type.

1123
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,400
I've to think that rules are
meant to be broken or

1124
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,400
interpreted in whatever way you
want to.

1125
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,700
Things are not black and white
things are more of shades of

1126
01:03:40,708 --> 01:03:46,600
things are black and white.
That is an absolute truth and I

1127
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:51,600
will go so far as far as saying
when they wrote when our

1128
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,200
founding fathers wrote the
Constitution, things were a

1129
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,000
certain way.
Yes and while they were effing

1130
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,800
Geniuses and the things that
they wrote worse so, It has such

1131
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,000
foresight.
Yes, there's a lot of fourth on.

1132
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,600
Things are different?
Yes.

1133
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,200
Yeah.
Yeah times change.

1134
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:20,900
Mmm.
So breaking a rule that was

1135
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:24,800
written. 17 million years ago
might make sense.

1136
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,200
Yeah, yeah.
That that's, that's like a huge

1137
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,900
part of technology and like the
United States government.

1138
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:34,700
Like the government cannot move
as quickly as as technology does

1139
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:38,500
like you have to constantly kind
of be on our toes and and I

1140
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:41,600
think that's a good thing.
Like I think, of course like a

1141
01:04:41,608 --> 01:04:45,100
lot of awful things can happen
but and that's just it.

1142
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:48,600
Like, how are you to say?
Say you're right, you're wrong.

1143
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,200
You can break the rule.
You can break the rule that rule

1144
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,100
break is good.
That rubric is bad.

1145
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:53,800
Yeah.
What's right?

1146
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,700
What's I think?
I think Aaron was a true hero

1147
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,500
personally to you what you said
before there was Zero malleson

1148
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:12,000
balls He wanted, he wanted
people to know things that were

1149
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,500
would otherwise be inaccessible.
So his intent was pure.

1150
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:18,100
Yeah.
Yeah.

1151
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,100
And he didn't really break any
rules.

1152
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:22,700
He just kind of bended them
slightly because because they

1153
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:26,200
couldn't really find any like
real issues that he had.

1154
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,600
They're using outdated laws in
order to progress to create

1155
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,300
those felonies like the laws
that they were pulling from

1156
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:36,300
we're like from 1994 from the
soap like from crazy.

1157
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:38,800
Acts that like made no sense
anymore.

1158
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,700
Like there are super outdated,
that's technology and

1159
01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:43,500
government, right?
Like that, and the company that

1160
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,500
he was having the problem with
said by cool.

1161
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:51,000
Yeah, that's the thing.
That's so fucked up and like, I

1162
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,500
would invite anyone who is
curious about learning about

1163
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:58,000
Aaron like, you know, you can
like if you're into hacking and

1164
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,000
into computer programming, you
know, check out, you know, the

1165
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,000
hackathons that they have
mid-november, but there are many

1166
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:10,100
ways, I think.
To kind of Honor, Aaron and

1167
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,700
people who are really trying to
push to push, folks, and to push

1168
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:18,200
knowledge being accessible to
everyone.

1169
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,600
And I think any way you can do
that is great, but also check

1170
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,700
out The Internet's Own Boy,
which is the documentary on

1171
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,100
Aaron.
I'm gonna watch it.

1172
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:31,600
Yeah, you should.
It's great.

1173
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:32,800
Yeah.
Good.

1174
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:35,800
Thank you.
That episode, that was so fun.

1175
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,800
I mean, I know you're not a
nerd.

1176
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,600
I'm not a, I'm not a nerd like
that.

1177
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:41,900
I'm not a computer nerd.
I'm nerd.

1178
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:43,700
And you're a nerd.
And like, sci-fi what?

1179
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:46,400
Yeah, yes, of sci-fi.
And I'm also like an appreciator

1180
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,000
of all nerds.
Yeah, exactly.

1181
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:51,800
Well, thank you for the episode.
Thank you so much.

1182
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,000
Appreciate it.
Okay.

1183
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,400
Well good.
We'll see everyone on our next

1184
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,300
episode.
Okay, bye.