The Woman of 7 Faces: Japanese Hostess/Host Clubs

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Hello.
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As we take you, on our newest
Journey, the woman of seven

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faces,
While konnichiwa konnichiwa oh

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Kevin my co-host with the most.
How are you Bill?

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I'm doing good.
You used to Japanese.

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I did I did say Japanese
konichiwa balls with us right

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now.
I don't wanna got.

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Oh yes, mr.
Rimmer's Roboto.

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Mushi.
Mushi, sometimes people answer,

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fun and play we're playing a
game.

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That's like the Yakuza.
It's anyways, it's a great game

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on the PS4 and The answer, the
for answer, the phone is like

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Russia.
Is that what is that?

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What does that mean?
Is it like YOLO?

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Hey, what's up?
I don't know.

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Yeah, I would say like informal
and non-formal.

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Hello?
Yeah.

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But I know nothing.
Okay, I like sushi, I like

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Japanese culture.
Right Sasha idea.

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Sashimi I like on sends I but I
am not.

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This is this is going to be an
interesting episode because I'm

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not great at pronunciation.
Okay, bye.

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Why?
So people need to forgive us.

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Forgive us because we are mere
mortals.

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Great.
I'm intrigued.

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Okay, cool.
I love, I love your Japanese

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style shirt.
Thank you looks very very nice.

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Yes, you look great.
Okay, so boo.

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I see that you have one face.
Mmm.

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I think we've all met folks with
two faces.

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Yeah.
Alright.

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But have you heard of a woman
with seven?

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- no no 77 faces.
Oh wait.

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Split personality.
No.

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Okay, but that's a good.
That's a good.

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Guess a bull.
Okay.

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Maybe she could have been but I
don't think that she espoused to

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have seven personality.
Okay just seven faces.

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Wow.
Okay yeah you got me.

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Okay, so I'm our story starts in
1982 in Japan and more

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specifically Matsuyama City.
Have you heard at all of the

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Cabaret culture in Japan does It
have anything to do with the

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sugar.
I can't think of the word is

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really cute.
The girls women in the white

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faces.
Hmm.

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Geishas geishas.
Thank you actually.

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You're onto something.
It's very similar to that.

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Okay.
So it really kind of bears like

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the Cabaret culture and that the
whole thing Japan really Bears

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some digging into because it's
so different from what we know

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of clubs or cabarets here to be.
So, like, clubs here, it's like

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dancing or like Cabaret.
Like you might see someone

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singing dancing on stage ball
blah.

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I'm going to try like I said
before to pronounce these

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Japanese names.
Yeah, I have consulted some

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friends who lived in Japan.
Hmm.

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I tried to phonetically spell it
out on my notes because they

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tell you how it sounds.
You know what you should have

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told me to do what I could have
recorded.

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Added.
Oh different Google or okay, for

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a future episode.
So okay, I'm just gonna I'm

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gonna be fucking yeah, just
right by, okay.

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For so, okay, we have the
Cabaret culture, kyabakura,

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which is like a cabaret and coo
boo.

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Okay, kerabu kerabu.
Yeah, so Caribou Cuda hostesses

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are known as Kia be ah-hoo.
Fuck it just Cabaret but girl

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and and they also use like a
perfect.

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Like, there's a professional
term, that's not just like

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cowboy girl, maybe, Cabaret
woman of a second.

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So ultimately, these are clubs
where men will pay to spend time

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with a woman.
These women work for the club

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and their job is to provide like
a like a 10 of companionship.

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Okay, not sexually right?
Just emotional conversational

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therapeutic.
And the upcharge these customers

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for Drinks.
That's how they make money.

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But so, they have to stay in
this location with the girls.

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Yes.
It's like a club than current

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these guys go to.
Yeah.

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And they selected or a girl
selected for them, kind of.

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Yeah.
And these girls provide like

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emotional, almost like a like a
girlfriend or something.

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Like a contrarian.
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Like a girlfriend experience.
Without the girl like without

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the sex.
Yes, exactly.

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Yeah.
It's really like you were saying

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the modern-day equivalent of a
Geisha.

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So these women will light a dude
cigarettes.

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If he's smoking the light, their
cigarettes, they'll sing or

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entertain the person like
through karaoke, right?

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They know, all of the things to
do to make the guy feel great

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Paschal.
Yeah, yeah.

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So the really, the idea is that
the customers buying drinks,

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which they are purchasing really
these This Woman's a woman's

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companionship.
So within the Cabaret culture,

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there are a lot of genres of
different types of Cavern

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cabarets.
So we'll talk a little bit about

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each of.
Those are a few of them but you

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name it.
There's a fucking genre for it,

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okay?
Oh, you want a princess club

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like Cabaret?
Like whatever you can go and

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find a princess, like,
specifically princess one.

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So the mainstream clubs that,
that these Cabaret clubs are are

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no touchy, okay?
No, touchy row, sexual, no

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touching zero touching zero
touching.

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You cannot touch your Hostess.
Okay, the moment that this

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happens, the guests, Customer is
like, kicked out.

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So when a Patron goes into a
club there sat down into a

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private area so you're not with
like audit table with a bunch of

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other people.
It's like you're in a little

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alcove which like you have this,
you can have your own personal

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time and you feel like it's just
you and, and the club itself

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actually selects a Hostess,
that'll be the best for them

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like emotionally like a good,
you know, matchup.

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So okay, you want someone who's
gonna like have a good party

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like assume it, probably Greek
quests.

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The one you like You could
request the one that you like

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not necessary that you're going
to get it unless you're a

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consistent, you know?
Customer.

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Yeah.
However, like you'll be okay.

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What are you in the mood for?
Oh, I've had like a really bad

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day.
I want a party girl or like, oh,

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you know, I just want someone
who's like, pretending like

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they're in love with me.
Like I want to let you know,

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like, you can choose your
adventure kind of thing.

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Yes, this is and they provide
it.

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So like I said, there are clubs
like this for everything, for

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instance, a snack bar.
So, the snack bar is or Some

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snacks for short.
It's a kind of Hostess bar that

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serves alcohol for sure, and an
employee's female staffer, paid

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to serve and flirt with the male
customers.

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They do not necessarily change a
charge an entry fee, and they

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often don't have like, set menus
on our asset prices on their

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menu.
So it's kind of negotiable or

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like the girl will tell them how
much it is, so they'll be able

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to charge or whatever.
So there's like a base fee to do

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the Perience typically for
clubs.

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Yeah.
And then there are the girls

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will ultimately try to upsell to
bio some product whatever.

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Like I made like bottle service
or you know this kind of

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specific drink or whatever.
Yeah.

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Like they have like champagne
like you know or like shots and

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stuff like that.
So okay.

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So they usually like either have
an arbitrary charge or a charge.

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They charge a set hourly fee
plus that bottle charge.

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So like, okay, so you're coming
in, you're paying Hourly fee,

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and you have to buy a bottle of
something time.

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And so, the customers would
purchase that and their own name

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and it's kept for like, future
visits.

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Like some kind of like, weird
rule that they have.

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Now, we have a red light version
of it, right?

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So I have a sex version.
Yes.

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So they're allowed to well,
sexual occasion, guests are

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allowed to touch their Hostess
above the waist, okay?

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And they can talk about kissing,
talk about not.

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Necessarily kissing.
So they can touch with their

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hands not with their mouth.
Yes, Yes, gotcha.

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Now, these are those, these
kinds of clubs exist.

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Like I said, there's a pick your
own poison kind of club for

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everyone.
These are not the norm.

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The norm is more of the
emotional, like, you know.

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No, touchy.
Mmm.

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Yeah, yeah.
And so there's a female version

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there's also a male version
called host clubs.

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So it's really the male
equivalent.

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So the first time I actually
ever heard of a host club was in

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this documentary called the
Great happiness space, which I

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will have in our show notes.
It's linked in our show notes,

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so you can go on the bizarre,
AF.com to check it out.

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It's free on on YouTube and it
really follows a host club in

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the host involved.
So the, they mainly cater to

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women.
But again, there's something for

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everyone and, you know, gay,
Host Club clubs exist and the

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same rules apply to them.
Um so really these men are kind

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of like selling the idea of a
boyfriend.

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Yeah two women or two men were
searching for that.

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The emotion.
This is the emotional

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experience.
Yeah.

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In I would I would suggest if
people want to check out or get

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to know like this kind of
culture because it's so far

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removed from what we're used to.
Yeah.

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I would suggest to watch the
great happiness space.

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But in short like you find out a
lot of the women.

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These are expensive.
It's not like five bucks to get

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in.
It's like $200 to get in.

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You're spending like thousands
of dollars on these bottles and

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stuff like that.
Oh my God, it's very, very

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pricey.
So who can afford that?

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Well you have like business.
Okay.

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Could you starting her up?
Could you go a could you pay the

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base fee?
Hmm turnabout's.

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Yeah and get the experience
without buying all the junk.

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They're going to try to up
charge you?

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Yeah.
Because their sales people like

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that's what they're there for.
They're not there to just be

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your friend or like to be your
boyfriend or your girlfriend

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because I'm sure they probably
get money.

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They get a cut from it.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And they move up the ranks in

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like the host like you know
Stratosphere so it's like you

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know, each Host Club has like
you know, their top hosts, who

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get a different, you know.
Sure fee they make more money.

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Yeah.
And you want to be on top?

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Yeah.
Because you're going to get the

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good clients.
Get the good clients.

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You get you, you get all the
money, you got more money,

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right?
Okay.

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So, so like you could go in and
buy The base.

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The base would be hard not to
spend more.

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It would be really hard to not
spend more.

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Yeah, so okay.
Oh gosh.

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Yeah, it's crazy.
So the customer in these male

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host clubs.
So host clubs versus Hostess

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clubs, they the customer
actually chooses the host, so

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they can choose, which, man,
they're wanting very different

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from the hostess counterparts,
right?

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Like the hostess clubs, like
they kind of tell the men like,

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okay, this is Like what you're
gonna get?

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You want that, what you're
saying that?

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If it's a, if it's women going
to get a man experience, they

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get to pick.
But if it's a man going to see a

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woman, they will give you what
you get.

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Is that what you're saying?
Yes.

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So like it's like if you're
going to see a man a woman or a

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man has the choice.
You get to flip through a book

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of like different hosts, really?
Yeah.

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But like they're gonna go see a
woman.

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The you don't get to choose not
necessarily unless You've been

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like a regular.
Yeah, exactly.

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Then you can have her class
inch.

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Where is that?
Do you think honestly?

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Because I I think men are will
put up with it and women are

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choosier.
If you're asking me, I wonder if

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the if the gay host clubs are
like that.

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What would you think if you like
hey I just know.

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I'd be like I want to pick my
dude.

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Do you?
Would you be like okay with

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choosing a type of dude?
Or would you be like I want to

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actually have this one?
One.

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For me, I would be like, well I
want the going different

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experience, it would I guess it
would it would be a type.

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Yeah, type of person.
Yeah, it's hyper person for me,

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I'd be like I don't want to
type, I want the one that I

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want.
Well that's what I'm saying.

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Yeah.
If I'm paying for something like

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let me see what I'm getting.
That's kind of what I think, I

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guess our culture I guess.
Yeah, we're not Japanese right?

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And we're not turning Japanese.
I don't think so.

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I don't damn you.
I don't have my drum roll thing.

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Ready?
So, okay, so the customer

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chooses, the host, the men
actively flirt with the female

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customer, or the male customer
and they'll touch them

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flirtatiously.
So like okay, like away now.

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Okay, stars are back out.
Yes, if it's the host club, yes,

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they will touch the women.
Hmm.

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They'll touch them but not so.
Okay, I'll go, I'll go back.

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Pull back from the documentary
experience that I had.

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As far as this question goes can
they can these hosts like

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eventually like fuck their
clients?

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Yes.
But like what the hosts were

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saying in this documentary was
the moment, I fuck them.

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Then they get what they want and
they're not interested anymore.

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Oh my God right?
Which makes someone they won't

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come back.
Do not going to come back.

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Yeah they're not going to come
back.

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Oh shite.
Right.

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Yeah, so so like it's more of
like a build-up sure that

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relationship makes sense,
totally makes sense.

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So they're like, if I want to
continue to get money from this

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person, like I'm not gonna do
not not going to do that.

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Yeah, totally.
Wow.

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And so sorry.
So do the, can the women can the

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hostess touch the men?
The women?

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Can they touch the men?
Can the hostess clubs?

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Oh hostesses touch.
The clients.

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The idea is like there is no
touching.

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I'm sure.
Said the host can touch the

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clients?
Yes, yes.

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But I'm just wondering, I'm
trying to get the dynamic.

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Yeah, so I think with, with the
female hostesses versus the man,

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it's like, it's totally not
supposed to be at all sexual.

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It's our, I mean, it's supposed
to be, it's a different

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standard.
It's a more intimate.

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Like emotionally intimate thing,
not physically, intimate the

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women looking for them, but the
host club is more physical than

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the hostess club.
Yes, it sounds like, well,

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because think about it.
I work at least because they

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wanted to go more aggressive.
Yeah, I want him to touch you.

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You want them to become more and
more girls, to be more demure?

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And yeah, like, oh no, like I'm
a, I'm a shrinking violet,

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whatever, like, that's like,
that's like a duck.

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Second legs.
Okay, I got it.

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So, okay, so they is.
So one thing that I found which

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was really interesting about,
like host clubs in that

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documentary, the people who go
to these host clubs are

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primarily, like, prostitutes who
are going to find like a an

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emotional connection because all
they have are sexual encounters.

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Yes.
Yeah.

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Which is super fucking
interesting.

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Anyway, wow.
Wow.

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Yeah think about that for a
minute.

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I mean literally I think about
yeah that makes 100 percent said

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of course you would.
Yeah.

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But then they get to choose the
the interaction they have with a

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man, right?
Whereas men are choosing the

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interactions that they're having
with these women and seeing them

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just specifically as a, as a
physical specimen rather than an

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emotional one fascinating.
It's really interesting.

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The documentary, definitely, I
recommend 100%.

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So and was it like a streaming?
Yeah, you can find it on

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YouTube.
It was on Netflix originally.

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I think that's how I watched it,
but you can watch it on YouTube,

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its agree.
Yeah.

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All right, would you ever go to
a house Club?

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So I was thinking like, I think
if I was single, mmm.

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I totally would.
I think I would.

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I think I'm the type of person
that would try it.

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Expert water.
I like, I like to do anything.

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So yeah, that's just like new.
Appearances.

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Yeah, I think I would.
I think I would try it.

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I would definitely do it.
And I don't care.

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Like, I like, if Dave and I went
to Japan, I'd be like, I need to

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try this.
I need to, I need to see what

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this like cool because it's like
a total, like, totally different

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culturing.
It's not, it's not that open

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early for sexual but, but, but
okay, I'm gonna play devil's

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advocate for.
Yeah, please because some people

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would say, emotional cheating is
the same as physical cheating.

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And I kind of somewhat
understand that because to me,

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sometimes sex is nothing but
sex.

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That's a very man answer is
this.

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Yeah, but don't tell Kevin in
the comments.

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It's, I don't, I don't think
that, you don't know.

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But grow but here, no, no,
here's the thing.

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The sexual act from Man versus a
woman is a very different.

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It's a different experience,
right?

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Like, typically men can be the
ones who are doing the

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penetration and, and like the
person who's receiving the

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penetration.
Can this is like, no.

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It's I hope none of my oh, no, I
feel.

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He's all right, warning on this.
But like I it puts a woman in a

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very like one men are men are
more powerful than one.

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Can overwhelm like physically a
woman and then to, it puts a

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woman in a very physically,
vulnerable positions.

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You have to feel like you can
trust the person a little bit.

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I think, I think from a woman's
perspective, it requires a

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little bit more of an emotional.
So I so here's my Cobra gonna go

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off topic, but I would have to
say this, God damn it.

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Do.
Okay.

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So I so I don't know.
Woman's perspective.

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Mmm, My culture.
Yes.

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Is very sexy sex?
Yes, and they'll culture is very

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sucks.
Okay, maybe.

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Okay.
I'll go with that.

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I'll go with a totally.
I get that.

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And so then when you have male
to male shirt and it really is

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just sex.
Yes, right?

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Yes, yes, yes, 100%.
I think that's my perspective.

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But I think you could have.
Can you have two consenting?

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You can have two consenting
people of opposite sex just

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saying sex.
The sex.

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It doesn't have to be Emotional.
No, it doesn't.

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It doesn't necessarily have to
be an emotional thing and I

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think that's just my point.
I was just my point is that I

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think some people could say if
you went to this club.

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Mmm.
And you had this intimate

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emotional experience with Ralph,
right?

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That that's kind of cheating.
Yeah, if you were in a

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monogamous really I'm talking
about a monogamous relationship

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and you just do that like on a
Monday night?

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Yes yes if you and I are in
Japan and we're like weird we

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just want to see what the fuck
this phenomenon is like that

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different.
A different.

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I feel like I feel like that
like, could be this, a similar

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argument might be like A strip
club.

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Yes, some women.
We feel that the exactly way

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about stuff that's true.
That's true, that's true.

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Yeah, you're right.
And the other thing I have to

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remember, is that again, we're
talking a different culture, so

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different.
The Japanese culture is very,

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very different than the American
culture.

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It's really different.
They also have like it's a, it's

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a huge city, right?
Like you have these huge massive

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cities where you're just like
another aunt, You know.

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Yeah.
Like walking around you don't

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feel very special like and there
are like, some really strict

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social rules, but you can't,
it's hard.

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Maybe it's hard to find a
girlfriend or a boyfriend or

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whatever.
And so you can't have these

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emotional connections or here
just wanting to try it out like

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an.
It's kind of like an emotional

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prostitute.
Yeah.

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Hmm.
Yeah, that's what kind of right.

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That's why I feel it would be
fascinating.

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That's why I want to try it out
but I'd be worried Roy would be

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feel like that you're cheating
again.

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Go again that emotional thing.
I really do feel like he would

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feel that way and so I obviously
have to respect that but I just

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think I'd be fascinating.
Yeah, I would be and I'd be

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like, I just want to experience
all the things and like, see

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what that's like.
That's fucking crazy, right?

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Wow.
I mean, started going at 10?

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It's just fascinating, super
fascinating.

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Yeah.
So you know, as far as these

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clubs go, they are pretty
regulated and there are workers

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unions.
That being said, the demand for

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foreign workers is pretty
fucking high and pure and

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workers meaning working the host
of the hostess clubs but not

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Japan Japanese.
Yeah.

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So like you'll have like an
Australian host or Hostess and

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that demand is high.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Definitely.

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Italy.
So you have, you'll have these

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people will come in illegally to
work in Japan.

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You have a nice-looking face so
you have an accent people are

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willing to pay you know 20 bucks
the equivalent of 20 bucks to

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buy a fucking alcoholic
beverage.

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It's really just juice for you.
Cool.

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You're in like like there.
It's not like there's a huge

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audition process or interview
processor clubs.

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It's like are you attract good?
You can talk.

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Yeah.
Great perfect.

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So you know I think In saying
that the obvious statement is

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like, of course, these places
can be CD and have questionable.

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Seriously, I'm sure some of them
are real, some of them can be

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really seedy, I would imagine.
Absolutely.

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You know, they're, you know,
placing these people and who

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work there in debt or straight
up, not being fair with the

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money that the workers are
bringing in.

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So like, sometimes like, these
people will have to actually

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purchase their drinks ahead of
time and hopefully they get the

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clientele and to buy the drinks
to buy him back.

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Yes.
So it's like debtor.

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Thank God.
So this is kind of where we're

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going to have our woman of seven
faces.

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He's got the to podcast is about
coming.

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Oh yeah.
That oh yeah.

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I forgot we were talking about
that.

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So we're gonna go back to 1982
were Aquanet was Poppin shoulder

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pads were in a Sessa T and we're
back in that Matsuyama City

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where we meet our woman, excuse
me.

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I'm going to try to say it
kazuko heuchera Well, sounds

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good.
Thanks, honestly.

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I've done a lot of practicing
like that.

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So, kazuko has had a really
rough life.

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Her mom actually ran a brothel
when she was a child out of

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their home.
And then in 1966, she was 18

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years old and she and her
boyfriend live-in boyfriend at

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the time needed some cash and
they decided to rob the home of

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a notorious tax collector
because of this.

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She was Thrown into prison where
she was a part of the Matsuyama

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prison incident.
Now, the Matsuyama prison

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incident, was something that
happened back in the 60s and

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basically, the guards were
paying were being paid off by

460
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:08,200
prisoner gang members like
Yakuza which is like a game gang

461
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,800
in Japan to basically run the
facility so they were they were

462
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,700
making.
They could do anything that they

463
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,400
want in this facility they were
smoking.

464
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,400
Saying they were gambling.
Sure.

465
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,300
They were doing drugs like and
anything they wanted.

466
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,100
They had keys to the prison.
These girls God.

467
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,100
Yeah.
And so what they did with those

468
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:32,000
keys was going to the female
section and rape, the female

469
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,200
prisoners.
What.

470
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,900
Yeah, so these gang members had
run and and they did that and it

471
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:46,100
was later looked into like
tried, but there was a statute

472
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:49,500
of limitations ran out.
And those who were responsible

473
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,700
of for this were unable to be
charged.

474
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,600
So yeah.
Kazuko is one of those female

475
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,100
praise prisoners.
That were raped.

476
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,300
Good.
And for showing.

477
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,900
Yeah, she was fucking literally
imprisoned was raped.

478
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
And what are you supposed to
fucking do?

479
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,100
So, let me just digress for a
second and tell you that my

480
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:15,500
worst fear in my life is being
convicted of something.

481
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:17,500
I didn't do.
Like this is haunted.

482
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,800
It's me at night and then you go
to prison and you hear about

483
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,300
this shirt kind of crap that
happens in prison all the time.

484
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Why are they?
It's so out of control and then

485
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,700
you this happens in the US by
the way, to?

486
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,600
Yeah.
I mean, I don't, I don't know

487
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,700
that it's to that extreme but
these prisoners can control.

488
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,200
These prisons.
Prisoners can control the

489
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,100
prison's?
Yes.

490
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:45,500
Yeah.
They're they're being like a lot

491
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,300
of the guards and stuff are
bought off.

492
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,100
Yeah, very corrupt.
These are, we have to remember,

493
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:51,900
like, at least in the United
States.

494
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:57,000
Our prison systems are are
privately funded.

495
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,500
These are not publicly.
Not for profit for profit, you

496
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:01,600
know, prison systems.
Yeah.

497
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,800
Hmm.
God god-awful soap or kazuko

498
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,500
like, you know, was one of
those, you know, feel more

499
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:11,100
prisoners that were that was
raped and you know, it's pretty

500
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:16,000
clear that her life was far from
glamorous, right?

501
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,200
So in 1982, she was 34 and she
found herself married with four

502
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,600
children and in a great amount
of debt we're talking about like

503
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600
a thirty thousand dollars and
that was a lot of nothing idea.

504
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,300
So she's Working in Matsuyama
city.

505
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:33,600
As a hostess at a cabaret to try
to like kind of recoup, some of

506
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,600
those losses and the kapre work
was good because she really

507
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:46,000
enjoyed drinking, which yes, my
girl, we agree.

508
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,700
We got it.
And then also, you know, you

509
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,800
can't really blame her.
She had a really awful life, you

510
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,200
know, so of course, like, hey,
you have some dudes paying

511
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,800
attention to you and like, You
know, drinking all day.

512
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,900
Like, that's my job.
Okay, fine.

513
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,300
Yeah, so unfortunately, it just
wasn't enough to pay her

514
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,300
creditors who are knocking down
her door, okay.

515
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:13,200
So you know, you think about it,
you have a bunch of attractive

516
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,900
younger women who are vying for
male attention and money

517
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,200
attention equals money.
At that point.

518
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,300
There's a kind of hierarchy and
these host Hostess clubs so the

519
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:28,500
women who are more experienced
and or beautiful are at the top,

520
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,300
Top.
Okay, so this is this kind of

521
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,400
like working environment.
I don't know.

522
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400
What do you think about it?
It's real.

523
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,300
I'm sure it's ruthless fucking
ruthless.

524
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,300
It sounds like hell.
Yeah, right.

525
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:45,700
So it's like, you know, you have
it breeds competition, it breeds

526
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:50,300
jealousy and then you mix that
with a lot of money, danger

527
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:55,200
always follows no matter what.
So the top woman at this club

528
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:02,200
and Matsuyama city was atsuko,
Kazuki Korra Once again, still

529
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,500
sounded pretty good.
Thank you.

530
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,200
I don't know if it's correct,
but atsuko.

531
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,200
So I tried finding a little bit
more information about her, but

532
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
there really wasn't a lot that I
could get in English.

533
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,700
What little I did find out, I
had to run through like Google

534
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,000
Translate from Japanese to
English.

535
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,800
So ultimately, you know, she was
incredibly successful, but this

536
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,700
was back in 1982 before the
internet.

537
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,200
So we don't have a ton of
information about her beautiful

538
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:30,800
shoes.
Successful.

539
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,000
Made great money.
And comparison is the thief of

540
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,400
Joy, but Envy is really a
fucking monster.

541
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,800
And so, you have katsu Co which
I'm certain.

542
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,500
She's looking at itsuko and
she's like, oh my God, this girl

543
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:46,600
doesn't have like children.
She doesn't have these like

544
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
creditors.
Banging down her door, you know?

545
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,500
I just wish I could be like her.
She's confident all these

546
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:57,000
things, you know, seemingly
Carefree painless like, you

547
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,200
know, confident she doesn't have
like this fucking, you know,

548
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,000
prison in something.
Incident that she went through,

549
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,200
she does have a parent who like
basically ran a brothel out of

550
00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,700
our fucking house.
Like, you know, she doesn't have

551
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:14,200
these debtor debtors calling and
so in August 19th 1982 because

552
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,900
you go is that at zucco's
apartment and although the

553
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,700
reason that they were hanging
out, I'm not able to find.

554
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,900
But what I do know is that it's
zucco's life was taken and it

555
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:30,800
cuts ago had strangled her.
So this was actually the quote

556
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,300
In the Tokyo reporter article
that I have Linked In Our show

557
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,100
notes.
So it says after the crime, she

558
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:42,700
took cash and more than 300
items including furniture and a

559
00:30:42,708 --> 00:30:45,800
bank book.
Worth a total of around nine

560
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600
point, five million yen.
Police later said that the

561
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,100
motive for the crime was the
repayment of debt to Consumer

562
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,900
Finance companies.
So it sounds like that's a

563
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:59,000
shitload of money, right?
But it's really with inflation,

564
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,700
I calculated it, it's about
about a hundred thousand dollars

565
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,500
today.
So, they're saying she did all

566
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,700
of that so that she could repay
her debtor yet out of debt.

567
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,400
Hmm.
Yeah, she did that.

568
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,700
And stole all the stuff like.
Okay.

569
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,700
So here's the thing, I
understand the cash stealing,

570
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:24,000
the cash, like there's no reason
actually like, you know, kill

571
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,500
anyone.
Let me just stay tuned for the

572
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:28,700
record only.
I'm like, What's the murder

573
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:31,800
about?
I've honestly any, I think it's

574
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,600
opportunity, I think it's
jealousy, you know, I think that

575
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,800
kind of an environment kind Of
breeds that like competition

576
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,500
that goes Jealous by be on top.
I wanna be on top, like you're

577
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,600
the top girl, you have all this
shit like fuck you.

578
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,000
You know, I like my life has
been shed and like, it rather

579
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,900
than understanding the other
person as a real human being.

580
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,800
You just start to see them as
almost an enemy.

581
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,500
Like this person has been given
everything.

582
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,000
I've been given nothing.
What does she have that?

583
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,300
I don't have.
Fuck her.

584
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,700
I'm going to take what she has,
you know.

585
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,800
No, by Brute Force, clearly
strangling.

586
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,300
So like I understand the cash
understand stealing the cash,

587
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,600
right?
That's easy to steal.

588
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,200
But how fucking much time was
she in that zucco's like

589
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:22,400
apartment to take all that stuff
stealing furniture?

590
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,700
I'm like yeah, like how did she
do that?

591
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:28,800
I don't know.
I can just like, imagine like

592
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,200
we've all lived in like an
apartment.

593
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,700
Like a big like to call
apartment complex, right?

594
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,700
Right.
Hauling those couches down the

595
00:32:34,708 --> 00:32:35,900
elevator.
Yeah.

596
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,600
By yourself assuming like,
you're like trying to push

597
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,600
something out and like, trying
to stack it up in the fucking

598
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200
like, elevator comedy in my
mind, the total comedy.

599
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:48,500
Yeah.
Like, like the the gall to steal

600
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:52,300
Furniture lie, double cash, get
it quick jewelry.

601
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,200
Okay.
Fine.

602
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,400
Fine fast but Furniture.
Wow.

603
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,600
Good God like you know,
single-handedly like pulling a

604
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,800
sofa down like a like through an
apartment doorway.

605
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,500
Like that's always a bitch
anyway unbelievable it's

606
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,800
unbelievable.
How do you do that alone?

607
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,500
Chic, you can't.
Okay, that's the key.

608
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,000
Hmm, she wasn't alone.
I don't think she was.

609
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
There was no frickin way.
I don't think so on, and she

610
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,100
wasn't.
Uh-huh.

611
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Her husband, her husband.
She tells her husband to help

612
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,000
her And at, and he's like, oh,
you need to surrender to the

613
00:33:26,008 --> 00:33:30,500
police, you know?
And she's like, yeah, nah.

614
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:31,600
Fuck that.
I'm not going to do that.

615
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,800
I've already gotten this far.
I've told all the shit like I'm

616
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,000
not, I'm not going to do it, so
he's like, you need to help me

617
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,600
bury at zucco's body in the
mountains and of Matsuyama.

618
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:48,200
And he does it.
Yeah, so, investigatory.

619
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,100
Stop.
Go ahead.

620
00:33:49,100 --> 00:34:00,000
Yes. so, Dave, huh.
My day of, yeah.

621
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,000
Comes home.
One day.

622
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:13,600
Yes, and he's like hey I was at
the gym, okay?

623
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:21,500
and, So a perfect opportunity to
kill this dude.

624
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,900
I got all this money and I now
need you to help me take him up

625
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:30,300
to Pikes Peak.
And bury his body.

626
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,699
What runs through your head?
It's never going to work.

627
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:45,100
You got stuck at work?
No, I think honestly the first

628
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,900
thing that comes to my head is
like we're gonna get caught like

629
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:50,300
you've already killed someone.
That's the first thing that I

630
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,500
think we've got to nip this in
the bud.

631
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:54,699
Yeah.
Like like I love you.

632
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,000
We got with we can still work
this out.

633
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,800
Boo.
But yeah.

634
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,400
We can't there's some like inner
workings that I clearly don't

635
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,400
understand about.
Yeah, you're not coming to the

636
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,200
surface and I don't have the
capability.

637
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,000
Exactly.
I love you right?

638
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,400
What I thought was you right?
But now you killed someone

639
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,400
right?
Like where they a piece of shit.

640
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,700
Was it like a child predator?
Something you okay there.

641
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:25,300
Yeah.
Now.

642
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,300
Okay let's do this.
Yeah yeah, I just killed a child

643
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:31,800
predator.
I don't care how we gotta help

644
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,600
me bury his body.
Well, now we have this.

645
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,100
So I thought now you have a
moral dilemma.

646
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,300
Now, we have a moral dilemma and
we have something we're posting

647
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,600
to begin or not that I don't
want to be used against you in a

648
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,300
court of law.
Exactly.

649
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,000
This is not future telling me
no, no, it's not.

650
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:53,800
I would, I would say that there
are some things that are

651
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,400
unforgivable and when people
like, no down that rural this is

652
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,700
the moral Lemma that.
Yes happens.

653
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,400
The comes often like we were
talking and then previous

654
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,300
episode, we were talking about
an awful person named Clyde.

655
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,200
Yes!
Who did everything back or

656
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,000
Hilda's mother?
Yes.

657
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,300
Yes.
There are some things where

658
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:22,300
you're like, you are awful and
you need to be gone.

659
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,000
Hmm.
I know I don't want to make that

660
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
call if someone else makes then,
that's their choice, right?

661
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,000
That's your choice.
You already did it like, okay.

662
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,700
You that's fine.
Where are you?

663
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:37,400
Did it okay.
Like like I don't know what

664
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400
would you do?
Would you as I can't answer it?

665
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:43,900
Yeah, that's why I'm asking ya.
I can't answer it.

666
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,000
I guess and pleasant situation
but I would I feel like Tim I

667
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,100
were answering it today.
I could deal with it.

668
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,000
Like we've got, we've got to
sort it out.

669
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,600
I can't accomplish you.
I think just from a logistics

670
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,600
perspective, like we have
cameras everywhere, we have

671
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,300
caught, that's the thing.
Got to deal with it now because

672
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,100
we're gonna get caught.
Yeah, yeah.

673
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,200
There's no hiding it like, you
have like cell phone data that

674
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,800
like pings and I'm fucking
locked it to my cell phone,

675
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,100
which I'm surprised in Japanese
in Japan.

676
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,400
There are all about this is
1982.

677
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,900
It's an 82.
Yeah.

678
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,600
So, so she's totally gonna get
away with it.

679
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Well, maybe maybe not, I mean,
you know, they don't have

680
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,900
electronics are a lot more
expensive in 1982 than they are

681
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,000
today.
Like now, it's like, One has a

682
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
ring doorbell.
Like right.

683
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:35,300
Right.
And he's her husband's leg.

684
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,500
I'm doing it.
He's like I have no other

685
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,300
choice.
I'm gonna go help you hide this

686
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:42,700
body.
Yeah yeah well I mean come on

687
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:45,700
she was like thirty thousand
dollars in debt right?

688
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,900
She was thirty thousand dollars
in debt and she had like

689
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,300
expensive tastes.
Now was she in Deb of while she

690
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,700
was married to this guy so
they're both in debt.

691
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:56,100
Yep.
Yeah and I wonder how how much

692
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,200
she's like we need to get this
and like he probably could have

693
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,400
been like yeah that's not a
necessity like For me, do I love

694
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,900
the Glamorous Life I do?
Am I was I also like not raised

695
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:08,800
with a lot of money.
Yes.

696
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,800
Like I'm realistic.
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,800
But right, but maybe she wasn't
realistic about, you know,

698
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,500
right.
She was looking for opportunity

699
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:18,600
again.
Yeah, opportunity.

700
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,300
So ultimately.
Wow.

701
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,100
So he does it.
He does it.

702
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,100
Yeah.
So he asks that she's

703
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:29,300
surrendered to the police and
and yeah, they bury the body in

704
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:31,800
the mountains.
Investigators are starting to

705
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,100
look around and ask about
katsushika are or looking at

706
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:43,600
kazuko and she chooses to flee
and takes that stolen 600,000

707
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Yen with her.
Okay.

708
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,900
Wait.
She just please.

709
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:53,600
Yeah.
So she's like, hey husband, yes.

710
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,800
Kill this person got to help me.
He's like you need to go turn

711
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,500
yourself in.
Yeah, she's like I'm not doing

712
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,500
that but he helps her bury the
body.

713
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,000
Anyway, I'm just like but then
she's like, peace out.

714
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,000
Yeah, just like Deuces.
Take care of our fucking kids.

715
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,300
I'm out.
Thanks for the bought help.

716
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,400
Thanks for the help.
Bye.

717
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,500
Bye.
I'm going to live my fucking

718
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:13,300
mess life.
Yeah, my God.

719
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:15,400
Yeah.
So her husband's like charged

720
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,300
with abandoning a core of quarks
which brought it Find all the

721
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,400
found, the body and how they tie
back to you.

722
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,900
I think that he went in was
like, hey, this is what

723
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:26,200
happened.
And so he was charged with

724
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,400
abandonment of a corpse and she
was nowhere to be found.

725
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
He didn't know where she was
abuse of a corpse that's a

726
00:39:32,008 --> 00:39:33,900
thing, right?
Abuse of a corpse that's

727
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:35,300
writing.
That is a thing.

728
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Yeah, oh my God.
So she flees to once again,

729
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,500
excuse me.
Can Sawa city, which is about

730
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:48,100
385 miles away.
So what can You do what?

731
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,000
What kind of like work?
Does she have a background in

732
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,700
host clubs?
Okay, Hostess.

733
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:58,600
Clubs these Hostess clubs are
saying that she is too old.

734
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Now what what other kind of
skill set?

735
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,200
Does she have?
Yeah, prostitute.

736
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,800
Nothing.
Nothing.

737
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:11,100
So she goes and gets plastic
surgery on her nose and her eyes

738
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,000
at a hospital in Tokyo.
She got the money, she got the

739
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,800
money.
She got the moolah.

740
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,200
Uh-huh.
So An intern, it allows her to

741
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,100
get a job at a snack bar, which
were talking about before.

742
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,700
Okay, so it's a Hostess bar, but
it's a snack bar.

743
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:26,500
Yes.
This snack bar, which is like

744
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,700
where they have to buy like a
bottle, it's kept there and like

745
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,100
there's no like there are no set
like prices.

746
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,100
So like the hostesses are the
ones who are like up charging

747
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,000
and stuff.
Okay.

748
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,200
So she actually meets a customer
who she moves in with, and he

749
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,400
owns a sweet shop in that town.
She starts working at the shop.

750
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,700
And she fucking killed it
because she's a salesperson like

751
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:55,200
she knows how to kill it and it
at that time, like the sales and

752
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,900
candies and stuff, like she's
doing so well that she can call

753
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:03,000
back to her 18 year old son and
asked him to come back because

754
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,100
she had four kids right with her
husband and so she could ask her

755
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,300
18 year old son to come and work
with her and this is an in 1986

756
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:15,800
so four years after she had left
and had killed atsuko.

757
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,500
So I'm assuming that he didn't
tell them that she killed her

758
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,500
her boyfriend, right?
Yeah.

759
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,900
She didn't say anything about
the boyfriend or she didn't

760
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:28,400
tell, she didn't tell the
boyfriend that she had killed

761
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,600
his wife.
Her husband who got charged with

762
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,600
the corpse problem.
Didn't tell them that his wife

763
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,900
killed her out to Kono.
He told the police that so they

764
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:41,500
know that she murders the
murder.

765
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:42,500
Yes.
So how come?

766
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,500
They're not getting her?
They're trying to find her.

767
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:45,700
Oh, they can just can't find
her.

768
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:48,400
They can't find her.
Now she Had just gotten plastic

769
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,000
surgery so she looks.
So now she looks totally

770
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,800
different.
Yeah, gotcha.

771
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,400
So and she's not using like her
actual name she's using assumed

772
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,100
names these places.
Okay.

773
00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:58,900
Okay.
Got it.

774
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,800
So now she's working at the
sweet shop and her

775
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,300
eight-year-old son is working
there, okay?

776
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,800
In 1986 and the boyfriend see
sales and he really likes, you

777
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,700
know, he likes her, he likes
kazuko and so he proposes to her

778
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,800
and at this point Paint is where
the Nationwide posters of her

779
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,700
face are all old face old face,
are all over Japan.

780
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:30,400
Okay.
And she's, you know, her getting

781
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,500
engaged or married to a long
time.

782
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:40,000
Successful business owner, that
will create some, you know, some

783
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,900
movements like news, like,
people are going to recognize

784
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,200
her.
So she is that she's not down

785
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:52,000
for that kind of press and And
also a relative of her boyfriend

786
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,500
mentions.
He sees this like wanted

787
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,300
posters, like that looks like
her eye.

788
00:42:57,308 --> 00:42:59,300
Looks a lot like the woman that
you're wanting to marry.

789
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:00,800
Oh shit, fire.
Yeah.

790
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:07,200
So February 12. 1988.
Our girl gets a tip that the

791
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,200
popo are closing in.
And so she flees damn Fleet

792
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,300
number to flee.
Number two on a fucking bicycle.

793
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:21,300
What a bicycle Bicycle.
Okay, can we just reflect on

794
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:26,100
this girl gots to get out Nile?
She has to get out now where oh?

795
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,200
I don't have a car.
Okay, where I need that fucking

796
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,500
bike.
Give me that bike.

797
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,900
I'm gonna ride that bike like a
motherfucker.

798
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:36,300
Like I'm just like wondering
like she's had her plastic

799
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,900
surgery like this glamorous
woman or whatever and a bike.

800
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:44,900
She's like, like from The Wizard
of Oz.

801
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,400
Exactly, that's exactly what I
think of So yeah.

802
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,900
So she is fucking fling on a
bicycle.

803
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:54,800
She goes another 145 miles now.
I don't think she was back,

804
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Mike, the fact that she left the
town of fucking bike is

805
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,400
hilarious.
So, 145 miles, and I, I do want

806
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
to thank that.
She's kind of, on a bicycle Dumb

807
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,200
and Dumber style, you know, like
Dumb and Dumber in there.

808
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,400
Like anyway, she starts to work
at a love Hotel.

809
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:17,300
A love hotel is synonymous with
a brothel, so, like, okay.

810
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,000
You know, this is a sex Hotel,
it's a sex Hotel.

811
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:24,300
Yeah.
So her past again starts

812
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:27,400
catching up with her.
There's a wanted poster.

813
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,800
Her co-workers sees it of the
old face, the old face.

814
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,800
They don't have the new face.
Yes.

815
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600
But the co-worker season is
like, looks like you.

816
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,000
Hey, yeah, this looks like you
should just give it up just like

817
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,600
go and totally spot sir.
Yeah, I think this is you this

818
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,500
is you like just going to the
police like it's just not worth

819
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:49,900
it.
She's like, mmm, where's a bike?

820
00:44:51,800 --> 00:45:01,400
And then she actually does it
actually goes to another love

821
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,900
hotel in the same city, but they
require a thumbprint and

822
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,700
pictures in order for the job to
start.

823
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,100
Okay?
She pieces the fuck out of that

824
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:15,700
facility and she's like, you
know, thank you May 13th 1988

825
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:17,300
and at this point she can't get
out.

826
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:21,000
I was a Hostess anymore, you
know, so she takes another job

827
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,900
at a brothel in Osaka City.
Just four years later.

828
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:29,400
So, meanwhile, there is a
statute of limitations on murder

829
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,200
in Japan.
Really?

830
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Yeah, 15 years.
Okay, really.

831
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,800
She's got a, she just got to
evade, she's gonna get on her

832
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:45,600
bike or 15 just pedal around,
okay?

833
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,400
The fucking life.
She has like a wicker basket.

834
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,300
Everything.
Yeah.

835
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,900
But so these 15 years, she's
getting really good at evading

836
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:00,100
police, which is really making
them fucking Sweat, Right?

837
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,900
Yeah, we're closing in on the 15
years.

838
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:07,000
It's a, it's fucking rapidly
approaching and they haven't

839
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400
been able to catch her.
These wanted posters are not

840
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,700
working, they're getting tips in
areas.

841
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:13,800
But by the time they go to these
places.

842
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,300
She's already gone.
You know on her face is

843
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:19,300
different He's like getting like
this, like plastic surgery?

844
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:21,400
Yeah.
Oh my gerd.

845
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,200
So they're trying to devise like
a new plan to catch her in that

846
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,500
final year before the statute of
location.

847
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,900
Now they're on your 14, we're on
year 14.

848
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:35,500
Yep.
That once once 15 happens she's

849
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:37,500
a free woman.
Damn, yeah.

850
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,700
So don't, don't the murders of
the world wish that that was

851
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,300
everywhere.
What a dumb rule.

852
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,500
Yeah, not the rule here.
That's for sure.

853
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,600
Mere.
Yeah, yeah, that's there is no

854
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,800
statute of limitations now.
It's like how the fuck can we

855
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,100
get people to start looking for
her more?

856
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,700
Because we like if there's if
there's a time to push its now

857
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:03,700
we have the final year we're
going to try to put as much as

858
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:05,500
we can.
They have her old face to the

859
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,800
you think they knew she had a
new face.

860
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,400
I think that they knew that she
had.

861
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Like yeah she looked different
so they're like well fuck that

862
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,500
adds another like complication
to it we can't just use this old

863
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,600
picture and just assume that
that's exactly what she Yeah

864
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,200
exactly.
So they have like you know

865
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:23,500
descriptions of like what she
looks like but once again it's

866
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,000
like you know she keeps on
invading us.

867
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,700
Yeah keeps on slipping out of
her hands.

868
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,200
So they have am 1 million yen
reward for information leading

869
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,300
to her capture and they issued a
telephone card with her photo on

870
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,000
it.
What's a telephone card?

871
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,300
I was going to I was going to
have you tell us what a

872
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:43,700
telephone card is but I'll tell
it.

873
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:45,600
Are you talking about those
cards either?

874
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,100
Haiti paid things we could get.
On phone.

875
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,200
Yes.
Pay phone and make a phone call.

876
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,700
Yes, was wait Way We Were So
first of all, what's a million

877
00:47:55,700 --> 00:48:00,600
yen?
A million yen would be, let's

878
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,400
see. 9 million was like a
hundred thousand dollars, so

879
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,600
like close to town.
Okay, ten Grand.

880
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,500
Yeah.
Ten Grand.

881
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,300
So the giving ten Grand and
what's wait, what's the phone

882
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:12,400
card things?
They have like a picture of her

883
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,100
on the Milk Carton.
It's kind of like a milk carton.

884
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:18,000
Yeah.
So like so they put her picture

885
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,000
and was like, hey she's wanted
for killing this fucking person.

886
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:24,600
Also phone cards are clearly
very popular in Japan, Very

887
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,800
popular, so you can use them,
you know, phone cards.

888
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,400
Historically.
If you're listening, we didn't

889
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,700
always have these amazing self
at all.

890
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,800
So we had to use, like, pay
phones, right?

891
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,800
If you didn't have change on
you, or money on you to make a

892
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,600
phone call, whether it was long
distance or local, then you

893
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,600
would have to call up a 1-800
number and dial, like a million.

894
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Other digits young, then your
phone.

895
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,300
I would you like your ID number
1000 numbers?

896
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:56,600
Yep, just to make one phone
call.

897
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,000
Like so you could like
pre-charge, like these cards up

898
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,700
for like minutes that you're
buying and you'd have to put in

899
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,000
like a passcode and then you
dial a number.

900
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,700
Another number uncle has a
stupid, not a thing anymore, but

901
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:13,000
it was a huge thing.
Yeah, exactly.

902
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,300
Japan is the thing milk cartons
in the u.s. phone cards in

903
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:18,800
Japan?
Yeah, picture on the phone card.

904
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,000
So we have they're throwing
everything at the wall, right?

905
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,600
And what we'll see what sticks?
Yeah, so in Live 1997, a

906
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,400
customer of a Hot Pot
restaurant, which a Hot Pot

907
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,900
restaurant in Japan is like
where you kind of like, cook

908
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,300
your own food and like this
really delicious broth.

909
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,000
I love that stuff.
Yeah, Roy hates it, he hates

910
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,700
going to a restaurant having to
cook his own.

911
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:43,600
He gets so high.
That makes a really good point.

912
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,200
I'm like, oh, this is fun, but
it's like he doesn't get quiz.

913
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Like, why the fuck are we making
around food?

914
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,800
That's right.
I know I like it too like

915
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,600
naughty things but it's like a
new experience.

916
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:56,500
Okay.
So July of 1997, a customer of a

917
00:49:56,508 --> 00:49:58,300
Hot Pot restaurant tips off the
police.

918
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:03,700
About kids who go fuuka, fuuka,
stating that there's another

919
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,800
regular customer that actually
resembles her.

920
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,700
He goes this hot place all the
time.

921
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,600
There's another customer who's
like there as often as he is

922
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:15,100
looks.
Just like her this woman.

923
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:19,500
Her name is you Kiki Nakamura.
And she was bought brought in

924
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:22,300
for questioning after entering
the restaurant.

925
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:24,000
So they were like, sticking out
this hot pot.

926
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,800
Stride.
Trying to see if they could find

927
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,900
her.
Because once again, we're in the

928
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:28,000
final year.
Yeah.

929
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,800
One cigar passes.
Yeah.

930
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,700
She's fucking gone.
Okay.

931
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:36,400
Yeah.
So it was so, she answers, the,

932
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,800
the restaurant was really hard
for the police officers to

933
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,900
believe that this was the same
woman because she looked

934
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:43,000
incredibly different.
Yeah.

935
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,400
So during the questioning shoes,
drinking alcohol out of a

936
00:50:46,408 --> 00:50:50,100
bottle, I don't know if this is
like super common place in Japan

937
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:53,400
like interrogating a witness or
potential.

938
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:55,300
Yeah.
Like hey, you want a beer?

939
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:57,400
Okay, sure.
And so, she's just drinking.

940
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:00,000
It's not a very common here in
the US.

941
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,200
I know.
Yeah, you can't even smoke.

942
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:03,800
Yeah.
And you know, you can't so I

943
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,900
can't do anything.
So she's answering questions and

944
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,300
refuses to have her fingerprints
taken.

945
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,600
Okay.
Wait, sorry.

946
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,300
I got lost for just a second.
Yes, yes, yes.

947
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,800
Who are they talking to this
woman for a woman?

948
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,700
This woman, the woman this
woman, whose name is Yuki

949
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:26,600
Nakamura, who is a hot pot.
Restaurant restaurant customers

950
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,600
that another customers like holy
shit, this looks like her.

951
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:31,700
Yeah, Circle K Phi, these crab
are there.

952
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,600
Like you don't look like her?
Not yeah.

953
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,500
Yeah, she's changed.
Yeah.

954
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,000
Okay.
Okay, so they're questioning

955
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,100
her, she's drinking.
She's drinking having a good

956
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,500
time answering all their
questions like, hey, can we get

957
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,800
some, you know, fingerprints,
she's like hell to the no fuck

958
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,300
you, which actually?
Okay listeners if you are being

959
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:53,900
interrogated, do not trust the
police.

960
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,500
Okay, they do not have a
t-shirt.

961
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,900
They do some stinky shit.
They're going to use anything.

962
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:00,400
You say against you in a court
of law.

963
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,800
Come on Miranda rights.
Yes.

964
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,100
Like don't don't listen.
You know and he drinks they're

965
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:09,100
like hey let me have some of
those fingerprints on the glass

966
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:12,500
DNA, whatever, right?
Yes.

967
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:15,300
Okay.
Wait till she's drinking she's

968
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:17,000
drinking or print.
They have her fingerprints,

969
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,400
right?
So the bottle that she's holding

970
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,000
was fingerprinted.
Yeah, they found it.

971
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Be our girl.
It's hurts her.

972
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:30,400
It is her gerd.
I know.

973
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,000
So she so she was taken into
custody and charged with murder.

974
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:39,700
Okay. 14 years on the run that
14th year.

975
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:46,200
So okay the trial she's saying
okay hey look I'm an innocent.

976
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:51,000
It was a lover's quarrel we were
lesbian lovers and this was a

977
00:52:51,008 --> 00:52:55,000
crime of passion and she just
And to be murdered.

978
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,700
I didn't mean it but it
happened.

979
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:00,300
No the judge had no fuck.
The judge was like fuck yo no

980
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,400
proof you are like clearly.
Like man crazy.

981
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,700
You've been married multiple
times yeah.

982
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:08,400
You've never had like a female
lover with your foolish.

983
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,100
Yeah, you're just trying to
fucking get by on one.

984
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,900
No, we're not believing it.
So at one time, she even had her

985
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:20,000
son live with her under the
guise of being a nephew her

986
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,900
nephew.
So it's like her husband, she

987
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,000
was married.
This point New.

988
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,200
Oh yeah, the nephew staying
there.

989
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,400
It's like, okay, you're
copulating with men.

990
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,500
Like you know, you know you have
children like you know you're

991
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,100
fucking crazy.
She evaded these.

992
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:41,500
The police for 14 years and 11
months, this was on the level

993
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,400
with month 11.
Not her 11th month.

994
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:48,600
Oh my gerd.
Yeah, so just like so short of

995
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,100
that statute of limitation so
and thanks to an ever-changing

996
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,400
face.
With plastic surgery.

997
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,500
Yeah, haircuts.
Yeah.

998
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,800
And Ingenuity fucking running up
fucking bike on our bike.

999
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,500
Actually, I will have like some
some pictures of her and our

1000
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,300
show notes.
You'll see how different she

1001
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:10,600
looked.
I can't wait.

1002
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,400
Yeah.
See it's pretty fucking crazy.

1003
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,200
So she was in prison until 2005
where she actually passed away

1004
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:25,100
due to a brain hemorrhage at 57.
So she did actually write A book

1005
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:28,200
which I was looking for.
I'm like, fuck it would be great

1006
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,600
to hear her own like, you know,
thought process stuff like that.

1007
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,700
Yeah, it's called Valley of the
tear of the joined it.

1008
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:39,900
I did find it but it's only in
Japanese.

1009
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:42,100
There's nothing in English
translator.

1010
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,500
That's what sucks.
Yeah, I would really love to

1011
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:47,200
work because she also talks
about the Matsuyama prison

1012
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,300
incident, which was a huge
fucking deal of corruption in

1013
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:54,100
Japan and she was an absolute
victim.

1014
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,700
In it.
So it kind of like in the book,

1015
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:00,300
I guess from the reviews that I
read, There are saying, like

1016
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,800
kind of makes you understand
where she had come from and she

1017
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,000
was kind of fucked from the
beginning, really?

1018
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,400
Yeah.
So like, maybe that's why she

1019
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
was killed.
So ultimately, you know, the

1020
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,600
aftermath I thought that I would
talk a little bit about that.

1021
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,500
Like, you know, she had passed
away but the, the idea of the

1022
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,900
statute of limitations on
murder, it's been abolished.

1023
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:25,300
So has has yeah, really, so they
Have a statute anymore.

1024
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:27,600
They don't have it anymore.
So like like just like in the

1025
00:55:27,608 --> 00:55:31,200
u.s. if you are tried for
murder, it could be 50 years

1026
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,100
later.
It doesn't matter.

1027
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,400
Like you can still be tried for
it.

1028
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,300
There is no timeline to be Tried
by good.

1029
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Hmm.
So what is it should be?

1030
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,900
I think so.
Tell ya.

1031
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:43,200
I think you know the fact that
she almost ran that out and like

1032
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:46,200
was like in the 11th close.
Yeah.

1033
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:51,900
Days she was days away.
Yeah, I think I was like 14

1034
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,000
years, 11 months, in like ten
days.

1035
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,100
Or something believe it's like
20 days away from being other

1036
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:01,800
woman and she just fucking ran
and ran and continue to run.

1037
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,900
So what do you think of what do
you think of that story?

1038
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:07,500
She's crazy as and so
entertaining.

1039
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,500
So entertaining.
Yeah crazy.

1040
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,900
You've never heard of before.
I need to make a movie they do.

1041
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,000
So there is a movie made out of
it.

1042
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,400
And there's also I think like
one of those like women who kill

1043
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,300
like I'm getting like shorts.
Yeah.

1044
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:22,500
But like, I think you could make
like, a normal movie like are

1045
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,900
like a movie.
I got Netflix or whatever.

1046
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:27,800
Oh, this could be a total movie
plot.

1047
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,200
Yeah.
It's it has everything you want

1048
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,500
everything.
Got plastic surgery.

1049
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:33,900
You have like, kind of like the
same thing.

1050
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:36,400
Ron you get saw the Red Sox in
it.

1051
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,700
Yeah, it yes, intrigued you get
the police hunt.

1052
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:44,900
You get the down to the wire.
Yeah, you got it.

1053
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:49,700
All right.
Thank God, good story, thank

1054
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:50,600
you.
That's our episode.

1055
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,700
On the woman of seven faces.
Thank you.

1056
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:58,900
Wait, why is there 7 Because her
her image changed so much.

1057
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:02,000
So she had at least two plastic
surgeries.

1058
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,900
Uh-huh.
They're thinking it's closer.

1059
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:08,200
Like, 71 when you look on our
show notes, you'll see before.

1060
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,800
And that the last after is very
different.

1061
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,400
Yeah.
You'll see her like in her

1062
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,400
prison.
Garb.

1063
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:16,500
Yeah, comic shot.
So it's like, yeah, it's crazy.

1064
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:18,900
She does look very different.
Wow.

1065
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,600
I mean, you know, pretty fun,
woman of seven faces, right?

1066
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,600
Yeah, thank you for the story.
Thank you.

1067
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,800
Thanks for walking down.
This fucking weird-ass road with

1068
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,300
me.
Love to do it every time.

1069
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:36,800
Don't don't flee on a bicycle.
Okay, thanks so much Alicia.

1070
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,900
Thank you next time.
My